Best of full interview: Jagged Edge Talk 'All Original Parts, Vol. 1,' Diddy, R&B 'Beef,' Car Accident, Music + Tour & More

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Breakfast Club
Episode: Best of Full Interview: Jagged Edge Talk 'All Original Parts, Vol. 1,' Diddy, R&B 'Beef,' Car Accident, Music + Tour & More
Date: December 26, 2025
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, Lauren LaRosa
Guests: Jagged Edge (Brian Casey, Brandon Casey, Kyle Norman, Richard Wingo)

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Episode Overview

The Breakfast Club welcomes legendary R&B group Jagged Edge for an in-depth discussion about their longevity, creative process, relationships with industry legends like Jermaine Dupri and Diddy, classic R&B "beefs," surviving in the evolving music business, personal hardships, and their new album All Original Parts, Vol. 1. The vibe is both reflective and celebratory, as the group marks 25 years since their iconic JE Heartbreak era while preparing for a new tour.

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Key Topics & Timelines

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1. The Formation and Longevity of Jagged Edge

Timestamps: 03:12–07:00

• Origins: Brian and Brandon Casey moved from Connecticut to Atlanta, eventually linking with Kyle Norman and Richard Wingo.
  • "We had this group when we first got to Atlanta, you know, we was about 15 years old." — Kyle Norman [04:23]
• Naming the Group: Inspired by movie titles while at Kandi Burruss’ house.
  • "When I seen the movie Jagged, it's almost like it jumped out." — Brian Casey [05:52]
• Kandi's Role: Kandi was instrumental in getting their demo heard and securing their first deal and management contract.
• Group Unity: Despite industry trends, the group has never broken up.
  • "Every R&B group, there's always a breakup...how do y'all stay so tight?" — DJ Envy [03:27]
  • "We like each other. I mean, half the group is us, so we love each other." — Brian Casey [03:35]

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2. So So Def, Jermaine Dupri, and Independence

Timestamps: 07:00–10:52

• Signing Choices: Debated between several offers; valued Kandi’s efforts, leading to So So Def.
• On Jermaine Dupri:
  • "He's a big reason why...we figured out how to go make beats ourselves." — Kyle Norman [08:33]
  • "Much as I love Jermaine, I hit Jermaine about all kind of shit. But, you know, it's rough to get Jermaine do some shit for you, right?" — Brian Casey [08:07]
• Label Transitions: They clarify they didn’t leave So So Def—rather, JD left the label and the group couldn’t follow due to contractual barriers.
  • "So, so def left us. Right. He had a situation with Columbia. They couldn't get on the same page." — Brian Casey [09:38]
• Maintaining Relationships: Emphasize respecting blessings, keeping ties even after label transitions.

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3. Creating and Preserving Classics

Timestamps: 10:52–13:42; 28:54–34:06

• Legacy of Hits (“Let’s Get Married”, “Promise”)
  • Viral moments, proposals, and the continuing impact on fans.
  • "We definitely didn't get this to be a one-hit wonder...when you see things like that, you realize you done hit your mark." — Kyle Norman [11:17]
• Making Iconic Songs:
  • "We did kind of. I ain't gonna lie. Like, we did, you know? ...we understood what it should be doing." — Kyle Norman [29:03]
• Songwriting: Some songs inspired by real relationships (e.g., Brian admits “Promise” partially inspired by Latavia Roberson but stresses the collaborative songwriting process).
  • "We're a songwriting team...no matter what my piece of the song may be about, that don't mean the whole song is about that." — Brian Casey [30:57]

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4. Notable Tour Stories and R&B “Beefs”

Timestamps: 13:42–22:12

• Destiny’s Child Tour Bus Story:
  • Jagged Edge took a stand when Mathew Knowles tried to keep Latoya Luckett’s mother off the bus, leading to police involvement.
    • "That dude had the police called on us, had us removed from the bus." — Brian Casey [13:31]
    • "If it was your mom, we did it the same way. Exactly. We did what was right." — Brian Casey [13:48]
• 112 Rivalry:
  • Manufactured by industry and radio, never personal.
    • "It was never a real beef...112 is our closest friends." — Brian Casey [15:27]
    • The infamous “cheerleader and rah-rah man” comment that almost led to a physical confrontation.
• R&B Toughness:
  • Jagged Edge disputes the notion that R&B singers are soft.
    • "I don't know them R&B who y'all be talking about. Who is them niggas?" — Brian Casey/Kyle Norman [18:38–18:46]

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5. Navigating R&B’s Ebb and Flow

Timestamps: 21:10–23:52

• On R&B's "Death" and Revival:
  • The group never stopped touring, even during R&B's commercial downturn.
    • "We never had a period where we wasn't booked." — Brian Casey [21:32]
  • Critique the notion that an entire genre could “die out.”

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6. All Original Parts, Vol. 1 — Meaning and Creative Approach

Timestamps: 22:12–23:58; 43:01–44:59

• Album Title:
  • Represents their unique status as an unbroken R&B group.
    • "Us being the one group who's never broken up, we wanted to capitalize on that." — Brian Casey [23:00]
• Artistic Pressure:
  • They're unconcerned with topping previous hits, focus on authentic creativity.
    • "We don't let it stop the creative process." — Brian Casey [23:32]
    • "We 100% responsible for our music. So...same chemistry, same guys." — Kyle Norman [23:39]
• Favorite Songs off New Album (Fan Q&A):
  • Brandon: "The single"
  • Kyle: "Forever Love"
  • Brian: "She Said What She Said"
    • "She said what she said, it's going to grab you. If you ain't ready, you going to be crying." — Brian Casey [43:44]

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7. Culture, Masculinity, and Shifting R&B Themes

Timestamps: 31:32–34:06; 38:12–40:29

• Modern Love Songs:
  • Commentary on how contemporary R&B lacks “begging”/vulnerability:
    • "I feel like nowadays brothers don't beg for the vagina no more." — DJ Envy [31:33]
    • "How can loving somebody make you a simp? Like crazy. That thought is some simp shit." — Kyle Norman [32:33]
• Masculinity in R&B:
  • Contrast between their authentic “street”/emotional persona versus past R&B archetypes.
    • "A lot of acts that came before us was almost like this fairy tale, untouchable thing. We never wanted that." — Kyle Norman [41:59]

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8. Personal Hardships and Brotherhood

Timestamps: 34:02–38:08

• Brian's Car Accidents
  • Survived two major accidents within nine months, one resulting in a broken neck and multiple broken ribs.
    • "Second one...that’s what really messed me up. Broke my neck." — Brian Casey [35:22]
  • Group’s emotional response and the role of faith and family in healing.
    • "Family that prays together stays together...God fixed this." — Brandon Casey [37:22]

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9. Connection with Fans and Staying Humble

Timestamps: 40:29–42:16

• Fan Appreciation:
  • The group has always made themselves approachable and relatable.
    • "We just spoke regular niggas that sing, you know what I'm saying? That's all we wanted to be." — Kyle Norman [42:01]
  • Staying grounded and grateful, attributing longevity to fan support.

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10. Touring and Performing Fan Favorites

Timestamps: 44:00–48:11

• Tour Details:
  • "Evening With Jagged Edge" tour kicking off March 26, with plans for a bigger tour in the summer.
  • Setlists shaped by fan demand—even including deep cuts after being confronted by passionate fans.
    • "We've got...a bunch of new records in the show along with what we already..." — Brandon Casey [46:25]
• Diddy Collaborations:
  • Addressing recent public scrutiny of Diddy by clarifying their personal positive experiences but expressing respect for any victim accounts.
    • "He's still my uncle Larry...I don't know if he's innocent, if he's guilty, but that's my uncle brother. And that's all I can say." — Brian Casey [47:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On never breaking up:
  "Us being the one group who's never broken up, we wanted to kind of capitalize on that." — Brian Casey [23:00]
• On Kandi Burruss’s role:
  "We made the deal with Kandi: if you get us a deal, you can manage us. She got us a deal." — Brian Casey [06:55]
• On “fake beefs” in R&B:
  "That was that era with the fake beef. A lot of people talking about, we ain't doing that shit, man." — Kyle Norman [18:02]
• On showing vulnerability and masculinity:
  "How can loving somebody make you a simp? Like crazy. That thought is some simp shit.” — Kyle Norman [32:33]
• On survival after the car accident:
  "A family that prays together stays together...God fixed this." — Brandon Casey [37:22]
• On Diddy:
  "All I can say about Diddy is he’s always treated us with respect...I had an uncle went to jail for 11 years. He was always my uncle. It’s the same with Diddy.” — Brian Casey [47:17]

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Episode Themes & Takeaways

• Brotherhood: Jagged Edge attributes their unbroken run and staying power to deep mutual respect and familial ties.
• Independence: The importance of evolving from artists to self-sufficient musicians and businesspeople.
• Fan Connection: Humility, openness, and relatability are keys to a long career.
• Survival & Resilience: Both as a group and through personal hardships, their faith and bond kept them grounded.
• Creativity & Authenticity: They proudly carry forward “old school” R&B values—emotion, relatability, and authenticity—into a new era.
• Celebration of Legacy: The new album and tour reflect on 25 years of impact while setting a benchmark for the new generation.

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For New Listeners

Jagged Edge’s interview is a master class in humility, resilience, and adapting to industry change without sacrificing identity. Full of nostalgia and laughter, it also delivers reflective moments on life, music, and the changing face of R&B. Whether you know every word of “Let’s Get Married” or are just discovering their sound, this episode is both a celebration of their past and a preview of what’s to come.

Transcript

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[Kyle Norman]

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[DJ Envy (Host)]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess. Hilarious Charlamagne Tha God we are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa's hanging with us today as well, and we got some special guests in the building. Ladies and gentlemen, Jagged Edge.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

How y' all brothers doing, man?

[Kyle Norman]

Good, man. Long time.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

I ain't see y' all in a minute.

[Commercial Announcer]

I know.

[Brian Casey]

It's been a minute, man.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Growing up a little bit.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

That's right. I always like to say this. This is one of the groups that y' all guys don't break up at all, huh? Y'?

[Brian Casey]

All?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

But how we see every RB group, there's always a breakup, there's always an over. How do y' all stay so tight, man?

[Jagged Edge Member]

We.

[Brian Casey]

We like each other. I mean, half the group is us, so we love each other.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Right?

[Kyle Norman]

Little easier that way.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Your brothers is the one that be fighting.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Nah, nah.

[Brian Casey]

We be on the same page.

[Kyle Norman]

Absolutely, man.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

No doubt.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Our fighting days over with.

And all of y' all still are in Atlanta.

[Brian Casey]

All of us.

[Jagged Edge Member]

And that's where all y' all originally from?

[Brian Casey]

No, me and him originally from Connecticut. Connecticut.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Connecticut. Y' all up here.

[Kyle Norman]

Shout out down the street.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

I always like to start from the beginning when you guys come here. So how did y' all guys form the group for people that don't know, how did Jagged Edge form?

[Brian Casey]

All right, whoever wanna take this.

[Kyle Norman]

Well, me and my brother was in the womb, you know what I'm saying? Partly from day one. But we had this group when we first got to Atlanta, you know, we was about 15 years old.

[Brian Casey]

Oh, I don't know why.

[Kyle Norman]

Down to 20 want to go to somebody.

[DJ Envy]

But.

[Kyle Norman]

So we. We was in another group when we first got to Atlanta. Not when we first got there, but when we first started singing. And it was two. Two other guys. And we sang at this church picnic. Kyle was at the church picnic. He came to us at the church picnic and said, listen, man, I got a group. Why don't y' all drop the other two and come get. He didn't even have a group. But we didn't know that, though. And we used to see Cal around anyway. Cause me and him was. Was basketball players, and his. His cousin was. Was playing on our team. So we knew each other from that in passing. And then once we actually sat down and talked and we realized he could sing too. We put it together. It was another member at first, and he fizzled out somewhere along the way. And we picked up Wingo and you know, I mean, been together ever since. Since we bout 15 though, we've been in this group.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Now where did the name come from?

[Brian Casey]

The name came from, if y' all remember. Think back to. I think I want to say like 91, 92 was a group came out of Atlanta called A Few Good Men. They were signed to LaFace.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Yep.

[Brian Casey]

So just the name of their. Their group got me looking at movie titles. And during this time, I was. I happened to be at Candy House, right. And she had all these movies, like all these just, you know, rolls of movies. And I started looking at the. At the movies. And when I seen the movie Jagged, it's almost like it jumped out like, hey, yeah. You know what I mean? And so I said to them, and everybody was like, yeah. Like, not one person pushed back. Everybody was like, yeah, that's a dope, man.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

That's it.

[DJ Envy]

And this was after y' all were already signed to, so. So Death.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

No, no.

[DJ Envy]

So you had a relationship with Candy before?

[Brian Casey]

Yes. Like, what's only like a year? Like a year prior to us signing?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Okay. And what was the relationship? Was it just like music stuff or like, how did you do that?

[Brian Casey]

Well, we ain't gonna went to school. We ain't gonna went to school with Candy. They was in high school together.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

We graduated the same.

[Brian Casey]

So when we did our demo, he. He had took it to just playing it for just like, you know, getting her approval. Wasn't even trying to get a deal or nothing. She liked it so much, she was like. She called Winga one day, like, you still in that group. Y' all still trying to get a deal? He was like, yeah. So we made the deal with Candy. If you get us a deal, you can manage us.

[Kyle Norman]

That's what it is.

[Brian Casey]

She got us a deal. So she was our first manager once we was your first manager.

[DJ Envy]

She get to the money and the business side though. So how was she as a manager in the early days?

[Kyle Norman]

I mean, she was getting her feet wet as.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

But I'll always tell anybody, like, as far as being. Being an active artist and trying to manage, you know, managing somebody is like having kids, you know what I mean?

[Brian Casey]

Or you gotta be up for them.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

5, 30 phone calls and it's just a lot. You know what I mean?

[Kyle Norman]

And also too shout out to Tiny too. Cause she was just as instrumental without Tiny. She was like the direct link To JD on the business side. Gotcha. You know what I mean? So without her, it would have been.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Did y' all want to sign a social Death at the time? Was that the goal? Like, that's where y' all wanted to go?

[Brian Casey]

I mean, we had to be honest.

[Kyle Norman]

We had a couple deals on the table.

[Brian Casey]

It was Rowdy Mercury. Mercury at the time.

[Kyle Norman]

Remember Mercury?

[Brian Casey]

It was Rowdy Mercury. And then Sosa Def came in there at the end of those offers. And I just think, you know, Candy did what she said, what she was going to do, and that meant a lot to us. So we was going to do what we said we was going to do.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Yeah. How instrumental was Jermaine Dupri with y' all now? Like, do y' all still, like, call him about music, you know, for all the original parts, Volume one? I know.

[Brian Casey]

I mean, you know, Jermaine, my man, that's our guy forever. But, you know, much as I love Jermaine, I hit Jermaine about all kind of shit. But, you know, it's rough to get Jermaine do some shit for you, right?

[Kyle Norman]

I'll be honest with you, if he.

[Brian Casey]

Ain'T a part of it, you know what I'm saying? I've had a tough time getting his involvement in things that he wasn't really spearheading, honestly.

[Kyle Norman]

Jermaine is why we are writers and producers. Well, at least producers. We was always writers. But through dealing with him, we not like, you can't just put us on a back burner. We're not, you know, I mean, you can't tie our hands. You can't. So we figured out how to go make beats ourselves, you know what I mean? Learn how to play the keys ourselves, learn how to do this stuff. So he's a big reason why. And I'm not saying in a negative way, just understanding that it takes more than just one man to stop what we trying, you know?

[Jagged Edge Member]

And one thing about us, man, we not petty. You know what I'm saying?

[Brian Casey]

That's what I got for us.

[Jagged Edge Member]

We kind of respect the blessing.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

He took a chance with us, man.

[Jagged Edge Member]

He took a chance. So we respect the blessing and keep it moving. But we was already a self contained group. We was already writing. We was already like what we were going to wear on the show. So we really didn't need anything but the money. I guess.

[Brian Casey]

We need nothing but everything other than that.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Much love to J.D.

[Jagged Edge Member]

But. Yeah, but much love to J.D.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

That'S our family forever.

[Jagged Edge Member]

We just know it's a lot of bashing when it comes to.

[Kyle Norman]

Yeah, nah, nah, nah.

[Brian Casey]

Yeah, none of that.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Yeah, we ain't doing it.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Why did y' all leave so so deaf?

[Brian Casey]

And why we actually so, so def left us. Right. You know, he had a situation with Columbia. They couldn't get on the same page, so he left and went to. Where did he go?

[Kyle Norman]

Ariston first. Right.

[Brian Casey]

So he went to Arista and Columbia basically told him, like, right, if you want them, you gonna have to pay for a football team. And JD was like, I don't want them that bad.

[Kyle Norman]

That'd have made me. They wouldn't let him take us and Bow Wow. So we wanted to go, but, you know what I mean, wasn't in the cars at the time.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

So when y' all left at that time, that's when it completely stopped. He never said, I'm not writing for y' all producing because y' all weren't on the label at that time.

[Brian Casey]

No, we got back together with Jermaine two different times. We went to Def Jam with Jermaine and then we did an album with E2 with Jermaine. So, yeah, I mean, we've.

[Kyle Norman]

We've.

[Brian Casey]

You know, music. The music game in itself is a complicated business. And I think keeping your relationships tight is something that you have to do. But at the same time, if you can't get on the same page with somebody, you have your own goals, your own dreams, and that's what you got to follow.

[Kyle Norman]

You know what I mean?

[Brian Casey]

And that's what we did. Yeah.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Knowing that y' all still got hits like let's Get Married and Promise and all that, like, how does that feel to know that? I just saw a video that went viral where somebody had proposed to their girl and they had a nigga singing, AKA get married.

[Kyle Norman]

Did y' all see that?

[Jagged Edge Member]

What are y' all reactions from that other than it being funny and they should have picked somebody else, like, but, like, knowing that that still hit like, it's love, man. Yeah, right.

[Kyle Norman]

I love it. It's an amazing feeling. Like, you know, we talked about this the other day. Like, we definitely didn't get this to be a one hit wonder, right? And we definitely wanted to have a, you know, a career that was, you know, filled with, you know, longevity. So when you see things like that, you realize you done hit your mark a little bit. You know what I mean? But we ain't done, though. But, yeah, it feels good, though.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all celebrating 25 years of the JE heartbreak. Let's get married.

[Brian Casey]

This point.

[DJ Envy]

What are some, like, story, like Because I know you guys have probably been, like, just reminiscing because it's 25 years in celebrating. What are some stories that, like, we probably never heard in the making of some of the iconic songs. So let's get married. He can't love you like that. Like, Brian, you laughing. Sorry, Brandon, Sorry.

[Kyle Norman]

You was close.

[Brian Casey]

One of the other, honestly, feeling like we got some. So many stories, but it's like, how many of them is really suitable for tv?

[DJ Envy]

The thing that this goes on TV through tubi, though, so it's a difference.

[Brian Casey]

You can say whatever the hell you want to wear.

[Kyle Norman]

We can cuss, cuss, cuss.

[DJ Envy]

Did you guys pour you a drink? Are you comfortable? All right.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I saw in an interview, Beyonce dad, like, threw y' all off of a tour bus. What happened with that?

[Kyle Norman]

You know, it's so amazing.

[Brian Casey]

Like, when it happened, somebody said to us, y' all gonna be talking about this for the. The rest. And then was, damn right. Like, y' all still be talking about.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I know what happened.

[Brian Casey]

So basically, we was on tour with. With Destiny Child, and at the time, Matthew was our manager. So we were sharing the tour bus, us and Desi Child. We all on one tour bus.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

How big was that bus?

[Brian Casey]

And so, you know, I think it's probably well documented that latoya has had different issues with, you know, the crew this particular night. Latoya's mom was on the road. Ms. Pam, shout out, Ms. Pam. And Ms. Pam obviously had issues with the crew. So Matthew called, even though he wasn't in the city. He called back to the road manager, like, you know, Ms. Pam ain't getting on that bus, right? And we was like, well, we not leaving her out in the middle of Louisiana.

[Kyle Norman]

Two, three in the morning, right?

[Brian Casey]

So she is gonna get on the bus. That dude had the police called on us, had us removed from us.

[Kyle Norman]

So y' all get on the bus, we all get.

[Brian Casey]

So.

[Kyle Norman]

Yeah.

[Brian Casey]

I mean, but, you know, we just felt like, whatever the issue is, it can't be that serious that you're gonna leave somebody out here.

[Kyle Norman]

Right.

[Brian Casey]

And you're not even here. And you're not even here. It was somebody's mom.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

If it was your mom, you know what I'm saying? We did it the same way.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Come on, man.

[Brian Casey]

Exactly. We did what was right.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Hey, man, you know, we from. I mean, originally, but we from the south and, you know, mentality.

Yeah.

You feel what I'm saying? So we kind of felt that. Like, man, we mama's boy, so we had a obligation, but we Wanted to whoop Matthew. She catch you by the bathroom one of your concert, we gonna air your ass out. So shouts out to Matthew for not going by that bathroom.

[DJ Envy]

The story goes. So cuz you were dating Latavia at the time, Brandon.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

And then.

[DJ Envy]

So she told the story on a radio station. She was saying that you stuck up for the group. Like you, you were the one about to go off. So you was at the bathroom.

[Brian Casey]

Well, we all did, but I definitely, I went in the room with the girls. You know, I just seen it like. Like I said, like if it was my mother, it would have been worse than that.

[Kyle Norman]

Like I would have turned.

[Brian Casey]

It would have got nasty and ugly. So I didn't want it to go that far. So I tried to have a conversation with the girls. I couldn't talk to Matthew. He didn't make himself available. But you know, I tried to make the other girls who, you know was in the group with Latoya, you know, support her. And they all just kind of let me know that they had different issues with latoya and her mother and that's why it was this bad.

[Kyle Norman]

And even to be fair to them. Cause I talked to Kelly about this after that and it got to a point where she even felt like, well, at this point it's out of my hands. Once Matthew took control of it, they didn't feel like they even had much of a say anyway. So you know what I mean?

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

It is what it is.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

I did want to ask too. They used to put pit 112 against you guys, right?

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

And it was, it was a thing. Was it ever a beef or was it just always fun?

[Kyle Norman]

It was Charlemagne did it, man.

[Brian Casey]

You know what, man? It was never a real beef. Like, I don't know how many people notice, but them guys like brothers does. Like out of all the male groups we've been on shows with or just been around or in our era, I should say 112us, our closest friends.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Wow.

[Brian Casey]

So yeah, it was never a real beef, but it got a little testy.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

At what point and what happened? What was the reason?

[Brian Casey]

When we was coming back from a tour we was on and we was pulling into the city, me and Kyle.

[Kyle Norman]

Was getting dropped and we all kicked.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Him out the bus.

[Brian Casey]

This time we just heard them on the radio talking some. Talking some trash. And me and Kyle just made a beeline of where they was at.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I was taking my brain.

[Brian Casey]

It was just me and him. We knew how far we was there. We didn't even care. We was ready to do Whatever had to be.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

What did they say that was that bad?

[Brian Casey]

It was a live remote.

[Jagged Edge Member]

V103.

[Brian Casey]

Ryan Cameron playing the Hollywood.

[Jagged Edge Member]

He was playing Hollywood. So you know how old that is, Planet Hollywood. So they was doing the album, I guess a release.

[Brian Casey]

They was doing something.

[Jagged Edge Member]

They was doing something and a live remote. They was subliminally talking and he said, well, you know, 112 or something.

[Brian Casey]

No, he said this. I remember. I never get it. I don't know if Ryan Cameron had asked him the question, but Q said something like, how could Jackie be the best group? They got two. They only got two lead singers, a cheerleader and a rah rah man.

[Jagged Edge Member]

And I said, hey, wow, I'm the rah rah guy.

[Brian Casey]

Nothing happened. Like, nothing happened cheerleader man.

[Jagged Edge Member]

It was.

[Kyle Norman]

I guess we. I was sleep that day. I don't know what happened.

[Brian Casey]

We ain't waiting nobody else. We went straight there.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

And I honestly think like Ryan, because they was trying to pit. They was really trying to put us on tour together. So Ryan was trying to create something to make. To drive the traffic.

[Brian Casey]

But nobody was telling us. So we was taking offense to everything they was doing.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

We could talk back really good, you.

[Kyle Norman]

Know what I mean? But y' all wouldn't say that when we was in the room, no way. So that's the issue because I actually.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I was the first person to ever seen that group before.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

You see what I'm saying?

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I'm the one turning them on to their management. They had to did before us. You see what I'm saying? So it's almost like just like Brandon.

[Brian Casey]

He was almost in one twice.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Yeah, like they were gonna try to put me in there for a second. They were like, you know what I mean?

[Brian Casey]

Again.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

And this was before I was in Jagged Edge. You see what I'm saying? So again, like we've known these guys since yay high, but again, so. But like I said, you can't start something without letting us know. And you're like, come on, bro.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Like that was that era with the fake beef. A lot of people talking about, we.

[Kyle Norman]

Ain'T doing that shit, man.

[Brian Casey]

I don't even know how to.

[Jagged Edge Member]

That's probably why they ain't tell y' cuz y' all wouldn't have been with.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

That.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Like as R and B singers, cuz. I mean, I've seen y' all go crazy turn up a lot of times. Do I feel like as a R and B singer, you think people take L as soft and you sometimes you.

[Brian Casey]

Got to prove yourself they can take.

[Kyle Norman]

It however they want. It's a different situation.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Get jumped, you. You hit one of the buzz, your ass getting jumped. Pretty much. Not the love, but.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

No, I feel you.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Like.

[Kyle Norman]

And I talk about this sometimes, you know, like that stigma. To me, number one's played out. Number two, I don't know them R and B, who y' all be talking about?

[Brian Casey]

Who is them niggas?

[Kyle Norman]

Like, I don't know who they are. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Dudes I see all get it in.

[Kyle Norman]

I don't know.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

They'll go crazy.

[Brian Casey]

Come on, man.

[Commercial Announcer]

Come on, come on.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Yeah, he's a martial artist.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Like, fight.

[Kyle Norman]

Yeah. No, he's a martial artist.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Of course we know Trey.

[Kyle Norman]

Come on.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

We know Crazy Ass Chris.

[Kyle Norman]

Come on.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Like every R and B person.

[Kyle Norman]

Hey, G, J, listen, Pleasant P, everybody.

[Brian Casey]

You can think of, I really know.

[Kyle Norman]

I don't know them, who they be talking.

[Brian Casey]

It's not going to be no easy win.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

And what it is is we're from the same places, around the same.

[Kyle Norman]

We grew up in the R and.

[Brian Casey]

B hood, grew up in the RB hood at.

[DJ Envy]

How often do people bring up the. The Cisco fight.

[Kyle Norman]

That one don't fight. He spared that, man, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Cause that's my man.

[Kyle Norman]

From Baltimore.

[Brian Casey]

Do some flips in there.

[Jagged Edge Member]

How you say? Up top. I had to sun them.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

It wasn't about nothing. Just messing around, getting drunk. Yeah, right. And it ended up getting. You know, they put how you play.

[Brian Casey]

And then ended up.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I guess he end up getting serious to play.

[DJ Envy]

He said he.

[Brian Casey]

Yeah, yeah, he was getting.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I was chilling, right?

[Brian Casey]

And.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I ain't. I ain't going to do all I know I wasn't the aggressor, okay? But I wit the either like, hey, man, chill out. And if you can, it's on the video, all right?

[Kyle Norman]

Chill out.

[Jagged Edge Member]

If you can see, I'm like, yo, man, chill out. And he was trying to like, oh, man, I'm losing this. You're gonna lose.

[Brian Casey]

He didn't throw not one.

[Kyle Norman]

He spared him.

[Brian Casey]

He wasn't really doing them dirty or nothing.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I like y'. All if I'm gonna walk out. I left their ass in there by.

[Brian Casey]

And me and him was already gone.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

So y' all squash all y', all, y'.

[Brian Casey]

All. Yeah, you know what, though? You know what? Quiet as it's kept. We with all the groups. Some of them have had issues with us, so we fuck with everybody, man. Straight up, we. I got respect for all of them now.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

There was a time where I feel Like, R and B died out a little bit. Right now it's back like crazy. Everybody's doing an R and B party.

[Kyle Norman]

R and B, the biggest parties in every city. Be the R and B Jones.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

So during that time when R and B died a little bit, how did you guys survive? Cause I seen tours slow down, music slow down for R and B. Everybody was saying, R and B died. How did y'?

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Brian Casey]

None of it did fight through that.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Not our record.

[Brian Casey]

We never had a period where we wasn't booked.

[Kyle Norman]

Right.

[Brian Casey]

You know what I mean? I think that's probably why the music hasn't come as often as it should. Cause we've been on the road.

[Kyle Norman]

You know what I mean?

[Brian Casey]

So at this point, we kind of looking at our career. Like, would we be happy, like, just touring for the rest of our lives? No. Cause we creators, and we really. And we really are musicians. So, you know, that's why we came with this album. And I ain't gonna lie.

[Kyle Norman]

I never respected it nowhere. You can't just shut down a whole. What's your complaint?

[Brian Casey]

What?

[Kyle Norman]

All R and B sound. Don't all hip hop sound, don't all country sound. Like, what does that mean?

[Brian Casey]

It's a genre, right?

[Kyle Norman]

Exactly. That's exactly what genre thing that fits.

[Brian Casey]

Gonna be inside that genre.

[Jagged Edge Member]

So what is gonna be. What can we expect different from all original parts? Like, where did that title come from? You. And just for the record, y' all know, they not bumping this in no trans disco. All original parts.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

No, you stupid.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I don't know who.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

I don't know who made that.

[Kyle Norman]

That's hilarious.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I was like, what?

[DJ Envy]

And then I was like, oh.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

They.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Gonna come for y'.

[Jagged Edge Member]

All.

[Kyle Norman]

No doubt.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

That's too funny.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I know.

[Brian Casey]

Yo, it just signifies the fact that, you know, even. Not even. Not even. Just our era, since groups have been a thing, right? They've all broken up, Right. You know what I mean?

[Kyle Norman]

And Jackson's broke up, even though Jackson's broken.

[Brian Casey]

Right? So, you know, us being the one group who's never broken up, we wanted to kind of capitalize on that. That's why it's called All Original Parts.

[DJ Envy]

Do y' all ever get worried that. Oh, go ahead.

[Kyle Norman]

No, no.

[Brian Casey]

Good.

[DJ Envy]

Do you guys ever get worried that, like, trying to top the. How big your other songs are, like.

[Kyle Norman]

Nope.

[Brian Casey]

Nope.

[Kyle Norman]

No.

[Brian Casey]

I mean, I guess, you know, there's a possibility that we might not ever have songs bigger than.

[Jagged Edge Member]

It's a possible, you know, music like that ever again.

Right?

[Brian Casey]

But I just think we don't let it stop the creative process. It's the same for us because it just might have. You never know.

[Kyle Norman]

And I mean, we was we people understand, like we 100% responsible for our music. So it's the same. Same chemistry, same guy, same, you know, same wheels on the car, you know what I'm saying? So we don't look at it. We just go in there and do what we do.

[Jagged Edge Member]

And to add to what Brian is saying, I mean, we, this album.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Brandon.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Brian said the other day we was at an interview, you can't look at this 11th album, all original parts. Like you look at Je Heartbreak. You feel what I'm saying? Like, give yourself a chance to sit down, listen to the song and just let it flow. You feel what I'm saying? Cause certain songs grow on you slow, and before you know it, you be like, yo, this my shit, right? You know what I'm saying? At first it wasn't, but now you know what I'm saying? So. So please don't come up to us talking about this ain't gotta be. If you want to hear that take.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy (Host)]

Hey, what up, y'?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

It's DJ Envy. And the holidays are here. The time of year that's all about connecting with loved ones in person or over the phone. In fact, hearing someone's voice can evoke a similar emotional response as a hug. And while most of us can hop on a video chat to really bring that connection to life, using tech isn't easy for everyone, especially some of the older folk in our lives. AT&T has been doing something special here to help. They offer digital literacy workshops that help older adults learn how to use technology to do things most of us take for granted, like video conferencing and sharing photos. Take Nancy Shand. She joined one of AT&T's workshops to learn how to video chat for the first time this holiday season. Nancy won't just be hearing about family gatherings, she'll be a part of them. Sharing stories, opening presents, and making memories all through a screen. Nobody should have to go through the holiday season alone. So be sure to connect and stay connected to your loved ones this holiday season.

[DJ Envy]

Connecting changes everything.

[Brian Casey]

AT&T.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Whoa.

[Brian Casey]

What a vibe we've got, y'.

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Brian Casey]

As always, it's classic HBCU energy. Nonstop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chants echoing, drums beating, everybody showing that school pride. Moments like this. Yeah, they call for an ice cold Coca Cola. Crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there. Mm, yeah, that taste always hit the right note. Just like the band at halftime. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere, and an ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo. No matter the place, no matter the moment, everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

[Narrator (Trainer Games/Unrivaled Basketball Ads)]

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[Kyle Norman]

This is where mindset comes in.

[Narrator (Trainer Games/Unrivaled Basketball Ads)]

Someone will be eliminated.

[DJ Envy]

Pressure is coming down.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[DJ Envy (Host)]

When y' all made some of those classic records and do y' all know they were gonna be smashes as soon as you made it? Like, when you made let's Get Married or you made promise, did y' all know? Like, oh, this is gonna be it?

[Kyle Norman]

We did kind of. I ain't gonna lie. Like, we did, you know? And you know, even when you look at songs like He Can't Love youe, right? Every song we ever put out, we understood what it should be doing. Like, we understood the only reason to drop he came before let's Get Married was cause he came sounded like nothing on the radio. At the time, we knew let's Get Married was gonna be the biggest song, but we knew if you come in a song like this, it sounds like nothing. It's gonna make that role for let's Get Married even bigger and easier. You know what deal with let's Get.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Married is going to be that legacy song that when y' all going, your.

[Brian Casey]

Kids gone, your kids kids going. This man was mad that we dropped he can't love you first.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let'S get Married.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

It just did something to me, you know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Norman]

I'm like, what?

[Brian Casey]

Us and the record label, man, y' all want to drop this over?

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

That's why I never put my opinion on the record like that again. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, I knew He Can't Love you was super dope. It was a smash. But let's get Married and I'm, you know, again, I'm one of them anxious guys, you know what I mean? It's the setup. It's about the setup.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Never go broke because let's get married.

[Kyle Norman]

All praises to the whole time.

[DJ Envy]

How old were y' all doing those songs?

[Kyle Norman]

How.

[DJ Envy]

What was that time?

[Kyle Norman]

See, right now, people understand. Like, we was writing no song. We 18, 19 years old. Listen. So we talked about. One of the reasons we went that route is because what preceded us was what Jodeci freaking you? R. Kelly Bowman, Grind Freak me. That was. It was so prevalent that that was the thing we like, how do we.

[Brian Casey]

We don't want to do. We don't want to just fit in.

[Kyle Norman]

With the outcome, you know?

[Brian Casey]

We weren't saying that back then.

[DJ Envy]

It's more.

[Jagged Edge Member]

So a lot of that was sex, you know what I mean? Y' all was on some grown man shit.

[Brian Casey]

And y'.

[Kyle Norman]

All.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Y' all were young, like babies and promise. Brandon, you wrote that for Latavia, huh? No, not.

[Brian Casey]

He said.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I wrote it for me.

[Brian Casey]

Because I've been feeling this question since she did that interview. Listen, we are. We're a team song. We're a songwriting team, right? So no matter what my piece of the song may be about, that don't mean the whole song is about that. You know what I'm saying? Because I think when you assume songwriter, it's not always an exact story. Sometimes it's pieces of a story that you're turning into one story. So. Yeah, there was a piece in there about Latavi. Yeah, absolutely.

[Kyle Norman]

Yeah. But my part wasn't. No, but I love T. But I'm saying my part was.

[Jagged Edge Member]

You know, it.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

I was going to ask you, do.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Y' all have a problem?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

I feel like nowadays brothers don't beg for the vagina no more.

[Brian Casey]

They don't got to. We never did. The girls don't make them. The girls don't make them.

[Jagged Edge Member]

That they don't. Is that the girls don't make them.

[Kyle Norman]

Know he can't love you.

[DJ Envy]

It's crazy.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

He was outside her house.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Real talk.

[Jagged Edge Member]

It was just play back then, you know, you had to lead up and just like, you know it's gonna take.

[Brian Casey]

About an hour and a half.

[Kyle Norman]

You had to work for it.

[Brian Casey]

So you was like hell pressed to not let it go. So it's a lot different now, man.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

So how does that affect the right now? Because now it's. Nobody's begging for nothing no more.

[Kyle Norman]

Right.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

You know, See you next time.

[Kyle Norman]

I mean, with us, you know, we trying to, like. Even on one of our last independent releases, we had a song called I forgot what it was called, but we talked about it. Talked about how, you know, love ain't cool no more. Our goal is try to make it cool again.

[Brian Casey]

Now you're a simp.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

If you love too much, you a.

[Kyle Norman]

Simple to me, that's.

[Brian Casey]

How can.

[Kyle Norman]

How can you loving somebody make you a simp like crazy? That thought is some simp shit, if you ask me. Like that don't make no sense to me. You know what I mean? So that's where we still coming from. We was coming from There then, and we still coming from that same point of view, you know what I mean?

[Brian Casey]

I think that's, you know, it's too much homeboy love out there, man. Like, it's all good to have your homeboy love. Like.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Music be about the guys loving their homies.

[Brian Casey]

Necessary. Like, you need your team, right? That's a necessary thing. But you don't want to put too much attention there and then. And your girl feeling some type of way.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I mean, I ain't. Not to cut you off. I mean, but you sit in the club, I mean, VIP section full of. Section full of girls. Like back in the day used to.

[Brian Casey]

Be, you see, like, everything. Cuz. Cuz, like, sometime I see them talking, they be like, man, I'mma kill these when I hit the streets. And then we used to be like, I'mma kill them hoes when I. That's right.

[Kyle Norman]

That's right. It's totally different.

[Jagged Edge Member]

And then how y' all used to dress back in the day? Hey, they used to dress like.

[Kyle Norman]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jagged Edge Member]

When you think of, like, a R B group, you know, it's nice and, you know.

[Commercial Announcer]

Used to dress like they.

[Jagged Edge Member]

About to shoot a dice game.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Like.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Some Thug Love type stuff. I used to love seeing them outfits in the videos.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

All right, now, you got into a car accident. We broke your neck. Yeah, man, break that down.

[Jagged Edge Member]

What happened? Happened.

Not break that down. After you said, come on, Andy, break that down. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Kyle Norman]

Well, I was in two.

[Brian Casey]

Two car accidents inside of like, nine months.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Damn.

[Brian Casey]

The first one, I just broke my leg in two places. I had some wrist contusions and a knot on my head. And in the second one, what happened in the car?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Did you fall asleep or.

[Brian Casey]

I was coming down the street, right? You know how Atlanta we got all those, you know, do a U turn to turn. So I'm coming this way. There's a car sitting right here. And I'm. I'm knowing he see me. I see him. And as I get this close, then he wants to turn. So even though I stopped my brakes as hard as I could, I still hit him. He was at fault, like I said. Just told my car up, tore me up. But the next one was really. That's what really messed me up. My got jackknow no t to call it t bone when it's somebody right in the middle of your car. I was sitting at a light, and on that accident, I'm sitting at a light, right? And I hear these shots ring out and Next thing you know, I guess the person who got hit, he lost control of his vehicle, and he just.

[Kyle Norman]

Swerved right into my vehicle.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

And on the driver's side.

[Kyle Norman]

His side.

[Brian Casey]

I broke my neck.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Jesus.

[Brian Casey]

I had five broken ribs on this side, one on this side. I got a scalp laceration right here. It was a lot with that one.

[DJ Envy]

I know it was pretty emotional for. I saw you on Tamara hall when you talked about it, and you got emotional for the rest of you guys when y' all heard about the second car accident, like, what were you guys reactions and, like, kind of. What was that like for y' all as well?

[Jagged Edge Member]

I was. I was scared because I didn't know what to expect. You know what I'm saying?

[Commercial Announcer]

And.

[Jagged Edge Member]

I'm gonna keep it real. I don't have my license, but don't worry about that.

[Brian Casey]

This man never had a licen.

[Kyle Norman]

But.

[Jagged Edge Member]

But, I mean, you know, my wife was like, you know, once I heard it, I'm like, baby, I gotta get out of here. I'm damn near falling down the steps.

[Brian Casey]

Yeah.

[Jagged Edge Member]

To get in my Uber. And. But in my mind, I'm just praying. I'm like, lord, please don't come. I mean, it's such a cliche, like I say, to hear about artists. Plane accident, motorcycle accident, car wreck. So I'm like. And then it's like, this is the second one, you know? And so we got up in. When I got there. Cause I know the other guys were showing up. I seen him, and I was like, okay, okay. He's not. What?

[Kyle Norman]

It's still him.

[Jagged Edge Member]

He's still him. Because he want to take his nick brace off, right? He like, man, take this shit off. I said, oh, well, mighty look good.

[Kyle Norman]

He cracked a couple of jokes when I got there. So I'm like, well, he look good. He was in pain, though, you know? And like, for me, you know, it was the worst day of my life. I ain't gonna lie to you. Because the way I heard the call, somebody told me. First they told me he got shot because they heard the gunshots. They said he got shot, then he got hit. So, you know, you know, this is my guy. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you know what I mean? I can't talk about it either.

[Brian Casey]

Way.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

And for me, I mean, you know, again, I'm gonna always say this, man, a family that prays together stays together. You know what I mean? So I immediately just dropped on my knees, man, and sent one up. You know what I mean? God fixed this.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Yeah.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

You know what? I'm saying, that's all. Leave it and put it in your hands.

[Kyle Norman]

Facts.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

The guy that got shot, did he make it or.

[Brian Casey]

I don't know.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Yeah. What kept you during your healing process? Like what?

[Brian Casey]

My girl, my kid?

[Kyle Norman]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

No.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Yep.

[Brian Casey]

I ain't a lot. They took care of me, like, absolutely everything. It was when I first got to the house.

[Kyle Norman]

It's all good, man. Been a hell of a year, man.

[Brian Casey]

All. All of us.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

So serious, cuz, when you hear breaking neck, you just like.

[Kyle Norman]

And like I said when I got there, you know, one thing about him, you know, he was trying to be in the best spirit still. It was hard, but he was trying, you know what I'm saying? So that got me too, just seeing how strong he really is, you know what I mean?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Do you look at life differently as a group and just people? Because it has to change the way you look and the way you move. Absolutely. When you say goodbye to your girl and your wife and your kids, it has to change all of that.

[Jagged Edge Member]

All of you.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

You just never know when it's that time. And thank God it wasn't, man.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Let me tell you something, man. We. We so blessed to be here. You got to think, like, 15. We met each other at 15. You know, we had our little fights and gripes, but we understood the. The mission, and that's to stay together first. Well, keep God first, stay together first again after that. And. And we love what we do, but we love each other.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There you go.

[Jagged Edge Member]

And we knew our mission was, like you said, a lot of a song back then, R B was a little soft. It was still good songs, but still was kind of soft. And then you had something that was kind of freaky. And so we definitely came up with the concept of where we want to speak on the behalf of brothers like DJ Envy, Jagged Edge, who wear Timbos, who wear Jordans, you know what I'm saying? We know. We just not throwing on the suit.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Be more relatable, man, and be more.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Relatable about, hey, I'm hurt. You hurt me, baby. And we need to talk about. About this, you know what I'm saying?

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Or.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Or, you know, I promise to stay there with you, although, you know, you may be going, I want to learn what I need to do better. So we knew that the message was more powerful coming from something real instead of something that the label or the audience kind of expect. Deeper than that, you know, music has a message behind it.

[Brian Casey]

Yeah.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I'm super glad of the route we. We took, man. We never wanted to exclude Anybody from our music or. You know what I mean? Like, exclude this certain sale to this certain our block or this certain type of people, you know what I mean? One thing about we all have in common is we have loved somebody or wanted to love somebody. You know what I mean? And that's a universal language for us. You know what I mean?

[Brian Casey]

Love.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

So that's what we're going to promote.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

And I always want to know how humble. Y' all always stay so humble, right? Been in this industry a long time, and. And every time I see y' all or you see your fans, you guys always smile, you always take pictures, you always shake hands. And you don't see that a lot. What put that into you? Cause like I said, I've known you guys a long time, and you guys treated me the same when I was on radio, just doing mixtapes, whatever it was. And y' all don't know, but I used to tell people, y', all, my cousin.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Casey, but you not black.

[Brian Casey]

I know if he showed up to.

[DJ Envy]

Family reunion, they be like, is he here to do the grass?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

Yeah, but I used to tell everybody that was my cousin, for real.

[Brian Casey]

I ain't going to lie.

[Kyle Norman]

Somebody said to me, y', all, that y' all actually could because you. Are you from up top, too. You from up north, you from up. They're just saying, like, it ain't a lot of y' all up top like that. So you might be related somewhere in that life, for real.

[DJ Envy]

Not you at the front door, the.

[Brian Casey]

Club.

[Kyle Norman]

My cousins.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Saying that.

[Kyle Norman]

Nobody ever.

[DJ Envy]

Was like, well, sing that envy. That's really crazy to admit out loud. Like, really crazy.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

But that's really, really important to us, our fans, man, We. We do recognize that. Like, that's. That's one of the main reasons we're still here as well.

[Kyle Norman]

And you know what else, too? Like, that's part of the reason for us, for our image being what it is. Like, we felt like the acts that came before us was almost like this fairy tale, untouchable thing. We never wanted that. We just spoke regular niggas that same, you know what I'm saying? That's all we wanted to be.

[Brian Casey]

We want to look like.

[DJ Envy]

So I know y' all chose the songs that you made because you said you wanted to cut through, but how did you choose who you worked with in the song? It's already 4Y', all, and y' all are all lit together. But y' all were very particular about who you featured on songs and who you worked with. How did Y' all at 18, 19.

[Kyle Norman]

Choose the that a lot of times.

[Brian Casey]

Was Jermaine who chose that. But when it wasn't, you know, even back then, in our early 20s, teenage years, we, we sit down at a, at a table, like a board room, and we have ideas and we toss them around. And, you know, some don't make it, some do, but we very intentional about the things that we're doing. So we sit down, we, we discuss it.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Y' all got a favorite song on the album?

[Kyle Norman]

Yeah, it changed every day to me.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Mine is the single. I'm gonna keep it real. I'm sorry, I'm cut.

[Kyle Norman]

Y.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Cheese, the guy who love the singles as that's going.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I mean.

[Brian Casey]

He'S like that on every album. We call him Cheeseburger with Cheese. And y' all already know we're g.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

From, from the heart, you know what I mean? So anytime we get a man, we get a bop. Come on, man. That's the one. That's it, man. Like, that's a bop, man.

[Jagged Edge Member]

So what is your. What, what is the.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Oh, oh. Just might get it. Be careful what you wish for because you chest might get it.

[Kyle Norman]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Kyle Norman]

I think for me right now, it's forever love. Forever love for me right now.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Kyle Norman]

For me.

[Brian Casey]

I'mma go with. She said what she said.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

She said what she said? Yeah.

[Jagged Edge Member]

She said, somebody just text me and said they can't get past that.

[Kyle Norman]

She said what?

[Brian Casey]

She said, it's going to grab you. It's one of them songs, like, if you ain't ready, you going to be crying. You don't know why you.

[Kyle Norman]

We had somebody crying yesterday. We playing it. I ain't going Name no name.

[DJ Envy]

What happened yesterday made you cry? Now is the time to talk about it. Are you guys going to have any, like, special guests on the tour?

[Jagged Edge Member]

Hold on, wait, hold on, wait. What's, what's your favorite song?

J. Let me tell you something. You turn up loud enough, I, I, I'm not loyal to, to what's favor because, I mean, we was playing the album the other day.

[Kyle Norman]

He's a song whore.

[Brian Casey]

He didn't switch like any.

[Kyle Norman]

I'm a song whore.

[Narrator (Trainer Games/Unrivaled Basketball Ads)]

He's a song.

[DJ Envy]

Man. He is home for now. I don't, I don't know.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

My bad.

[Jagged Edge Member]

L. What you say?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, special guest on the tour. Like, y' all bringing anybody out? Anybody popping out?

[Kyle Norman]

All us on this?

[Brian Casey]

Yeah, but it's a couple things been offered to us, we just haven't necessarily accepted, so we'll see.

[DJ Envy]

Evening with Jagged Ed.

[Kyle Norman]

Absolutely. That's the whole point of it. And we plan on doing that, you know, throughout the spring. We probably take out a bigger tour later, you know, mid summertime, something like. But this is just for. To celebrate the 25 years of Jay heartbreak and just us still being here. You know what I mean?

[Brian Casey]

And honestly, you know, this idea was kind of live. It was kind of Live Nation's idea, and we just kind of filled it and we thought, yeah, that would be dope. So like you said, it's only a few. It's about nine dates on that tour, right? And then when that's over, we probably out for the rest of the summer.

[DJ Envy]

Now, y' all got some songs that people love that I don't know y' all gonna be able to do on the tour. Not like the Nasty Girl, the traded off. And if I come, I just need to know, like, is that a thing? I love our music.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Now, you took the words right out of my mouth, because that's the next thing I was going to say. Like, we pay attention to our fans. I mean, we've had people hold up signs, like, with Remedy on it. We actually got cussed out one time overseas. A dude was shooting a bird at us in the audience.

[Kyle Norman]

Shadow. Shoot a bird in saying like that up here.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

He was giving us a finger the entire show. So of course, you know, we going to go out.

[Brian Casey]

Not the entire show.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

I mean, well, you know.

[Kyle Norman]

I mean.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

We seen it, you know, verbatim. So we went out in the crowd and after the show, whatnot, and we seen. Dude approached and was like, hey, man, what's going on? Like, you know, who's shooting us a. Giving us a finger the entire show. It was like, cuz, y'.

[Kyle Norman]

All.

[Brian Casey]

Y' all sing my song, and it.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

Was for the rest of our lives, you know.

[Brian Casey]

He said, I know the way y' all was running through those numbers, I wasn't gonna do my song. We was like, what's your song? He like, we don't even do this song.

[Jagged Edge Member (possibly Brandon Casey)]

But now we've added that in the show. We've got, like, a lot of a bunch of new records in the show along with what we already.

[Kyle Norman]

But that's not what she was alluding to.

[Brian Casey]

And I know what she was alluding to.

[DJ Envy]

I'm asking the question because I think, you know, people.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

I know.

[DJ Envy]

For me, if I come out intimate night with you guys, I do want to hear Trade it all is my song. Nasty Girl is my song.

[Brian Casey]

Let me just say this too, right? Cause we just did. We just had this Conversation last. Last night. Right.

[DJ Envy]

With each other?

[Brian Casey]

No, with another. With a. With a radio station. Diddy, that's, you know, that's my brother. That's our brother. Like we've had a good relationship with. I can't speak on nobody else's. You know, it ain't my business.

[Kyle Norman]

Right.

[Brian Casey]

But at the end of that, could only deal with my interactions with the man.

[Kyle Norman]

And it wasn't like.

[Brian Casey]

And I'm talking about plenty of them. After being around them 30, 40 times, I never seen nothing that offended me. He's never offended me.

[Kyle Norman]

Right.

[Brian Casey]

He always made sure if we was in his space, we felt welcome.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Absolutely.

[Brian Casey]

And like I said, all the other things that other people, they can have that now. I had an uncle went to jail for 11 years. Let me shout out my uncle Larry. I had an uncle went to jail for 11 years. He was always still just my uncle Larry. Then changed to the point where he's some different guy because he did some. Some messed up stuff. He's still my uncle Larry. And it's the same with Diddy. To me at this point, you know, I don't know if he's innocent, if he's guilty, but that's my uncle brother. And that's. That's all I can say about.

[Jagged Edge Member]

Pray for him, man.

[Kyle Norman]

Pray for him. Damn right.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

But I do want to ask, trade it all. Were y' all surprised he called y' all and not home?

[Brian Casey]

Listen, I'm pissed the off because really, it's jazz.

[Kyle Norman]

We got more songs with him than they do.

[Brian Casey]

Right.

[Kyle Norman]

We got like three, four songs with bro. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy (Host)]

So it's like that's why he said the chair leading in the rah rah.

[Kyle Norman]

Mad about that.

[Brian Casey]

Get to the bottom of it.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

The album definitely pick it up right now. And we appreciate you guys for joining us. Let's get into a joint off the album. What y' all want to hear?

[Brian Casey]

Go with the singles video out on Friday.

[DJ Envy]

When did tour start?

[Brian Casey]

March 26. 26.

[DJ Envy (Host)]

March 2016. Well, ladies and gentlemen, there you have it. It is Jagged Edge. It's the breakfast.

[Brian Casey]

Wake that ass up.

[Kyle Norman]

Early in the morning, the breakf.

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[Kyle Norman]

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[DJ Envy]

Pressure is coming down.

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[DJ Envy]

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