Best of full interview: Kelly Rowland, Method Man & DeVon Franklin talks “Relationship Goals”, Personal love challenges, Hiphop + More

Summary

The Breakfast Club: Best Of - Kelly Rowland, Method Man & DeVon Franklin on “Relationship Goals,” Love, Grief, Hip-Hop & More
Episode Date: April 7, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, Lauren LaRosa
Guests: Kelly Rowland, Method Man, DeVon Franklin

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Episode Overview

This "Best Of" episode of The Breakfast Club spotlights the full interview with Kelly Rowland, Method Man, and producer/author DeVon Franklin. They discuss their new film Relationship Goals, based on Pastor Michael Todd’s bestseller, and dive deep into topics including personal love challenges, the boundaries between art and reality, vulnerability, grief, work-life balance, therapy, and the evolution of hip-hop's relationship conversations.
The conversation is candid, open, and often humorous, reflecting the guests' personal journeys with love, healing, growth, and purpose, all wrapped around the message of the film.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins & Making of "Relationship Goals" the Movie

[03:37 - 05:00]

• DeVon Franklin shares the inspiration behind adapting Pastor Michael Todd’s book into a film, citing Will Packer's successful translation of Think Like a Man. He recalls the book’s pandemic-era virtual success, making it a “great foundation for romantic comedy.”
• Movie Premise: Kelly Rowland plays Leah, Method Man is Jared, exes and co-workers competing for the same job who pitch a story based on the "Relationship Goals" book, prompting soul-searching among their colleagues about love and relationships.

2. Art Reflects Life: Character Parallels & Creative Process

[05:37 - 06:34]

• Kelly Rowland relates to her character’s need for control, stating Leah, “is dealing with a whole bunch of internal stuff. Grief is a big one for her...”
• The wardrobe for Leah is examined: Kelly took an active hand in styling, collaborating with costume designer Gersha Phillips, aiming to communicate unapologetic power for women through "power suits."
  — “I think that women are powerful, and I think it should be unapologetic… Sometimes it does start with how you feel on the outside...” — Kelly Rowland [08:12]

3. Chemistry, Songwriting, and Set Experiences

[05:10 - 05:34], [28:32 - 29:00]

• Kelly explains, organically, she and Method Man recorded a song for the movie, inspired by her character.
• DeVon and Method Man praise Kelly’s leadership and professionalism on set, with Method Man singling out scenes with the girlfriends for their authenticity.

4. Vulnerability, Love, and Growth—On-Screen and Off

[09:39 - 10:20], [30:10 - 31:39], [31:45 - 32:54]

• Method Man discusses how Jared, his character, is seeking legacy and fulfillment beyond career, reflecting on the real stakes of vulnerability for men:
  • “What drew me to this role emotionally is... he's thinking more along the lines of legacy... he thought the prize was the job, but it was actually Leah.”
  • On masculinity: “Vulnerability means you have to give something away, you have to sacrifice part of yourself…”
• DeVon Franklin highlights the importance of allowing men to change, “…men can change… in our culture, everybody wants to say, well, no, no… Once a man… No, a man can change, and a man can be remorseful.”

5. Social Media & Unrealistic Relationship Expectations

[10:20 - 11:34]

• Kelly: “Social media and everybody actually believing the hype… have done a fine job of just adding fuel to the fire… Relationship goals is something for you to define what it is, because I'm not somebody else…”
• Method Man on purpose: “Everyone wants to live in their purpose sometimes they just don't know what it is… when they watch movies like this or even social media, they live vicariously through the people they connect with…”

6. Dating, Boundaries, and Relationships at Work

[12:08 - 13:27]

• Hosts ask about workplace romances in today’s climate.
• Jess Hilarious: “When you work somewhere and you mess with somebody, it's cute at first, but… I gotta come to work and see this [person]…”
• Kelly & DeVon stress the importance of clear boundaries, discretion, integrity, and consideration for professional dynamics.

7. Grief, Healing, and the Power of Therapy

[13:27 - 21:36]

• Kelly opens up about channeling her own grief (losing her mother shortly after giving birth) into her character.
• DeVon and Kelly jointly emphasize both the necessity of faith and therapy in preparing for and sustaining love:
  • “I believe that anybody who has found love or wants love has to have faith, because it is a miracle… two people can find each other… that is like a miracle… Therapy is about the trauma…” — DeVon Franklin [19:05]
  • Kelly: “Here you are trying to unravel a ball that steady weaving itself… it's the trigger… you're constantly trying to figure it out. That is exhausting…”

8. Work-Life Balance Is a Myth; It's About Prioritizing & Integration

[16:04 - 17:53]

• Method Man: “Home life is grounded more in reality for me…All this is TV, period… I'd rather be inside than outside at this point in life.”
• Kelly Rowland and DeVon Franklin both agree “balance is a myth” – it’s about shifting priorities day to day and showing consideration even in small ways (e.g., texts, post-it notes, words of encouragement).

9. Self-Knowledge, Lists, Bitterness, and Evolving in Love

[34:38 - 36:02], [37:18 - 39:01]

• DeVon Franklin explains how Leah’s “list” in the film is both a mask for insecurity and an outgrowth of previous pain/betrayal—a defense mechanism that’s ultimately limiting.
• Kelly describes learning the difference, through experience, between what she wanted and what she needed in a relationship:
  • “I had a crazy list… I thought I knew what I wanted, but Tim gave me what I needed… we get lost in that kind of sauce sometimes…” [39:02]

10. Masculinity, Trust, and the Safe Space for Vulnerability

[31:45 - 33:52]

• Method Man offers a vivid analogy: “When you get to a point in your relationship where you could poop with the door open and your significant other's right there brushing they teeth -- vulnerability right there, boom…”
• He also underscores that real trust lets men let their guard down at home.

11. Hip-Hop, Love, and Generational Shifts

[42:45 - 44:51]

• Method Man reflects on hip-hop’s evolution:
  • “Wu Tang had a message. Regardless of whether you heard gunshots or swords, there was still a message there… I just wish it was a bit more diversity, for lack of a better word.”
  • “Experience is king… this generation… doing their numbers… but substance and…you only think about these things when you get my age…something you can feel, hold, embrace…”

12. What the Movie Offers Audiences

[46:03 - 47:41]

• Kelly: Hopes the movie “provokes conversation… encourages people to see the message…relationship goals for even the friends as well, not just romantically, are just really important.”
• Method Man wants viewers “to root for these people, root for their relationships.”
• DeVon Franklin believes it can “actually change your life…entertaining, but also something you can apply to your personal life.”

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Notable Quotes

• On vulnerability & trust:
  • “When you get to a point in your relationship where you could poop with the door open and your significant other's right there brushing they teeth — vulnerability right there, boom.” — Method Man [33:49]
• On lists & relationships:
  • “I had a crazy list… I didn’t know what I needed. Tim gave me what I needed.” — Kelly Rowland [39:01]
• On balance:
  • “Work-life balance is a myth.” — Charlamagne Tha God [17:02]
  • “It's about integration…and consideration…even a text, ‘thinking about you’ can sow the seed.” — DeVon Franklin [17:40]
• On healing and therapy:
  • “When you don't do therapy, then you bleed on your partner, and then you want them to be your therapist.” — DeVon Franklin [20:06]
  • “Here you are trying to unravel a ball that steady weaving itself… it's the trigger… you're constantly trying to figure it out. That is exhausting.” — Kelly Rowland [20:45]
• On what love means:
  • “Love is the most powerful force in the universe” — DeVon Franklin [15:05]
  • “It's okay to hurt…because when you feel, that's when you can heal.” — DeVon Franklin [36:02]

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Important Timestamps

• 03:37: Why adapt Relationship Goals for film
• 05:10: Creating the movie's theme song
• 06:01: Real life vs. character parallels and grief in the story
• 08:12: Kelly’s vision for Leah’s power suits and styling
• 09:39: What drew Method Man emotionally to his character
• 10:20: Social media and unrealistic expectations about relationships
• 13:27: Kelly and grief, therapy’s impact on life and film
• 16:04: Work-life balance/myth, keeping home life grounded
• 19:05: Faith and therapy in love and healing
• 31:45: Vulnerability and "safe space" for men at home
• 34:38: Bitterness, lists, and self-protection in love
• 39:01: Learning the difference between what you want and what you need
• 42:45: Hip-hop’s changing approach to relationships
• 46:03: Hopes for the movie, its message, and what viewers take away

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Closing Thoughts

The episode goes beyond promoting a movie—it’s a raw, relatable, and uplifting discussion on what it takes to heal and grow in love, why therapy and self-knowledge matter, and why the stories we watch and tell about relationships have lasting impact. Fans of the show, Kelly Rowland, Method Man, DeVon Franklin, or anyone seeking encouragement in love and life will find meaningful takeaways.

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[Method Man]

Hold up.

[Devon Franklin]

Every day I wake up.

[Kelly Rowland]

Wake your ass up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Breakfast Club. Do y' all finished or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lauren Larose is here as well. We got some special guests in the building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, indeed.

[DJ Envy]

We got some family. We have Kelly Rowland. The brother met the man. And Devon Franklin.

[Devon Franklin]

Welcome back.

[Kelly Rowland]

Morning.

[DJ Envy]

Good morning. How y' all feeling?

[Kelly Rowland]

Feeling great. We got a movie coming up.

[DJ Envy]

I know, right?

[Method Man]

Relationship Goals.

[DJ Envy]

Relationship Goals.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Devon, what made you want to turn Relationship Goals into a movie? It's a book by Pastor Michael Todd. What made you want to turn it into a.

[DJ Envy]

You know what?

[Devon Franklin]

One of My greatest inspirations as a producer is my brother, Will Packer. And when I saw what he did with Steve Harvey's book think like a Man, I said, wait a minute. This Relationship Goals book has so many great principles. Why don't we do that with this? And so that was the inspiration. And then also what was so cool is when Pastor Todd released the book, he put it out during the pandemic. And as an author, when you can't tour, that book usually doesn't work. He did everything virtually. It went to number one on the New York Times bestsellers list. And when you look at how people were responding and how many lives were being changed, I just thought it was the great foundation for romantic comedy.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah, yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Now break down what the movie's about for people that haven't seen or haven't seen the trailer as of yet without

[Jess Hilarious]

giving it a weight up.

[Devon Franklin]

Well, basically, you know, Kelly plays Leah, Meth plays Jared, and they have a history, but in the present moment of the story, they're competing for the same job. And Meth that comes up with the idea. They're in the news world and Method comes up with the idea. His character Jared comes up with the idea. Hey, why don't we do a story on the book? Relationship goals or Valentine's Day? Exactly, exactly. And then that begins. Everyone in the group beginning to think about their aim and think about their love life and think about their relationships. So I'm not gonna give it away, but that's kind of the catalyst for the movie.

[Kelly Rowland]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

How do y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All. This is random, but the song, complicated. Like, the song is dope. But what made y' all wanna go do a song so early was that part in the contract. Okay, we got Kelly and Meff, so they gotta do a song for the movie.

[Kelly Rowland]

No, it just happened, like, you know, I got the script, I read the script. I was inspired, went into the studio. I've been working on music. So I literally just started writing from Leah's perspective, myself and Jesse Reyes. And then it came out, and then I sent it to Devon and Amber Raspberry over at Amazon. And I was like, I wonder if it'll work? And it just kind of worked. I sent it to Meth and he was like, yeah, let me do my.

[Method Man]

Let me bark on this joint.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have either of y' all been in that situation in real life where you gotta do business with somebody that you was in a relationship with?

[DJ Envy]

That would be awkward.

[Kelly Rowland]

I mean, it just kind of happened. That's all. It just kind of happened.

[Devon Franklin]

No, don't put me in there.

[Method Man]

Nope.

[Anabe Sofas Promo Voice]

Nope.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me either.

[DJ Envy]

No.

[Jess Hilarious]

Is there any aspects of the characters lives that relate to y' all real life?

[Kelly Rowland]

Absolutely. I mean, I. I think the way Leah has when you meet her, she's holding on to everything. She's so in control, you know what I mean? And I think that for her, like, when she has control of everything, she's feeling like, I got this. And she. And she does, and she does. But she also is dealing with a whole bunch of internal stuff. Grief is a big one for her, you know what I mean? And it's kind of like drifting into everything else in her life and you see how it plays a big role in her decision making and everything. It's really interesting. So. Yeah, that I definitely understood. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Jess, what's the one thing I tell you about it as soon as I started watching. What's the first thing I tell you? What did I tell you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you talking about him.

[Jess Hilarious]

Send a wardrobe.

[Method Man]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Anyway, real nice, what I say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you did say it, but I

[DJ Envy]

didn't say that when I say you have.

[Jess Hilarious]

He couldn't help but to. He loved the wardrobe of Leah. And he was like, well, you. You showed me.

[DJ Envy]

I said, yeah. I said the wardrobe was dope. The suits reminded me of. It was powerful, but it gave me, like, a little Janet Jackson with it, too. The way the chains were, it was just dope. I never seen. You don't really see shows usually. The wardrobe is cheap.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

But it seemed like they put a lot into it. I'll show Jess. I was like, waldo was dope.

[Jess Hilarious]

Was that your idea? Like, did you style yourself for the movie, Kelly?

[Method Man]

Dress me.

[State Farm Promo Voice]

So.

[Kelly Rowland]

Because Devon is a producer, and he so graciously allowed me to EP on this project as well. I was like, devon, I have some ideas.

[Devon Franklin]

Right?

[Kelly Rowland]

And I literally showed him a Pinterest board, you know what I mean, of how I saw everybody and all the characters. And so he obliged and allowed us to just have a little bit of fun.

[Devon Franklin]

Oh, man. She killed it. I mean, we had our wardrobe. Our costume design was named Gersha Phillips. And so. But, you know, Kelly, you know, would just be sending pictures and then also use all her relationships in the fashion world.

[DJ Envy]

That wasn't cheap. It was dope wardrobe.

[Devon Franklin]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[Devon Franklin]

But thankfully, we didn't have to pay

[Charlamagne Tha God]

for all of it.

[Kelly Rowland]

Some stuff.

[DJ Envy]

Of course you do.

[Method Man]

Yeah. We gave the Amiri stuff back.

[Kelly Rowland]

Amiri was great.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What do the power suits mean for Kelly as an actress? Because I know in Mea Culpa, it was all about the power suits and the silhouettes as well, too. And then I see you here again, and that was a personal decision. So, like, as an actor, like, what are you saying to the people that are watching you by choosing to be specific about that?

[Kelly Rowland]

I mean, I think that women are powerful, and I think it should be unapologetic. And sometimes it does start with, like, how you feel on the outside, your wardrobe on the outside. Because when somebody sees you all put together, they're like, okay, I gotta step up, you know? So for me, it was just, like, stepping up, whether it's for myself or expecting others to step up as well. So I feel like, you know, you gotta put on to, like, really. Sometimes it's like, when it's not here immediately, you have to put on, but I feel like that.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Kelly Rowland]

So I wanted my character to make sure she felt like that, because once

[Lauren LaRosa]

we start peeling back the layers of your character, I felt like she was trying to learn how to accept love in so many different ways throughout the movie. But you show up as. Like, you don't even talk to me. Like you can't sit with me.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah, it's a shield. It's a bit of a shield.

[Method Man]

You know, that list had a lot to do with it as well.

[Kelly Rowland]

The shield was just walls, just layers and layers of everything, but that's even deep. So we don't want to give away too much there either.

[Devon Franklin]

But.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And when did you get comfortable with acting? Because, you know, looking at you.

[Method Man]

Never comfortable.

[DJ Envy]

Never. It looks. It looks so comfortable. Now you don't look like a rapper.

[Method Man]

Now I see you as comfortable. You get lazy, you know, So I like to explore outside my comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think I'm. I'm ever going to be comfortable with acting.

[DJ Envy]

Really?

[Method Man]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kelly Rowland]

I don't think you should be.

[Method Man]

Yeah, right.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah, I don't think you should be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you get drawn to roles emotionally or creatively?

[State Farm Promo Voice]

Both.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Method Man]

Both.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what drew you to this one?

[Method Man]

This one was more emotionally. I see Jared as a man going through a transition. He's thinking more along the lines of legacy. You know, leaving something behind, having something that really shows meaning, to fulfill himself. And he. I think that when this job opportunity comes up. Yes. I mean, that is a great way to start, but. Oh, Leah works there as well. This is a sign. And it's something that he could either take advantage of in the moment or, you know, stay focused on what the prize is, which he thought was the job, but it was actually Leah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what's dope about the movie because it's like, it talks about expectations versus reality and, like, these modern relationships, like, where do you think people get the most unrealistic expectations from is social media.

[Kelly Rowland]

Y' all talk about it all the time. Don't try it.

[Jess Hilarious]

That's what that list reminded me of.

[Kelly Rowland]

Absolutely. And P.S. i think that social media and everybody actually believe in the hype. Like, they've done a fine job of just adding fuel to the fire. So to me, I think that we have an obligation, especially now, for this next generation that's looking at us, like, thinking that it's just oh, so great and we have to peel back layers. And I think that this movie does a really great job of peeling back layers and being honest in that way. I actually love the fact that Pastor Michael Todd named the book Relationship Goals because that's the draw and that's where people are like, what the heck is a relationship goal? You know, what does that look like? It's actually something for you to define what it is, because I'm not somebody else. I'm not a decision making somebody else. You know what I mean? I'm making decisions for me and somebody else. Me and this other person are making decisions, decisions and figuring out our relationship. I can't bite that. That come with a whole nother set of trauma, whole nother set of issues, whole other set of everything else. So I can't make that my relationship goal. I don't know what the background is.

[Method Man]

I feel like everyone wants to live in their purpose sometimes they just don't know what it is. And when they watch movies like this or even social media, they live vicariously through the people they connect with. And it's always going to be someone who wants to keep up with the Joneses. But there are very few Joneses that want to keep up with anybody. So when you find yourself in these spaces where you wanna live that fantasy and have that happy ending and. And it turns out not to be that happy ending, you have to bear with that and then move on and that's it.

[DJ Envy]

Can you have a relationship in the workplace now, though? You know, because I look at these movies and I always say, if my son works somewhere, I would. That's where he's gonna meet somebody.

[Devon Franklin]

Right?

[DJ Envy]

Because you're at your job eight to nine hours a day, so that's where you're most likely to meet somebody. But in this society, they. But you can't work with somebody that you have a relationship with.

[Jess Hilarious]

Can that happen?

[Method Man]

I don't think you can meet some. I mean, I don't know. I can't.

[Devon Franklin]

You out of here.

[DJ Envy]

Me and Charlie, we all out here.

[Kelly Rowland]

Leave it alone.

[Method Man]

Leave it alone.

[Jess Hilarious]

When you work in some way and you mess with somebody, it's cute at first, but then when things turn, I gotta come to work and I gotta see this nigga in a break room. I got.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, my gosh, I don't have time for that.

[Method Man]

Maybe y' all argued that morning and

[Kelly Rowland]

now y' all at work.

[Jess Hilarious]

So to your own discretion. I feel like it can be done when two people know what they want, when they know how to clearly distinguish business from, you know, work from our personal. You know, when we're at work, we are co workers. You gotta treat, you gotta be aligned.

[Kelly Rowland]

Boundaries. I think you make an excellent point.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's great.

[Devon Franklin]

You just have to also, you know, use discretion. Because also in the movie, they're colleagues, you know, it's not like one is higher than the other. And I think you just have to be very, very Mindful of your position professionally when you're making a decision on, you know, who to date in the workplace and how to date that person. But really thinking with discretion and integrity is important because once that's gone, you know, everything is up for grabs at that point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how did the movie challenge or even affirm your own beliefs about love?

[Kelly Rowland]

I mean, when it comes to grief, like, I understood my character holding it together. Cause remember, like, right after I had Titan, that's when my mom passed. So I didn't realize, like, I was, like, trying to keep it together. So I remember when we shot the scene that day, I was like, I literally was, like, not letting it go before because I felt like. I felt that so tough because we are, like, a lot of people are dealing with grief, but you don't know that it comes in ways. That's why I love the way Regina hall talks about. Sorry, Regina King talks about it. It's so honest and just really authentic. And when she said it, I completely understood it. It's actually in my notebook. My relationship goes journal. A notebook, her quotes that she was talking about dealing with grief. But I just let it all go. So I understood that with her for sure. And as it equates to love.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about you, man?

[Method Man]

I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did it affirm?

[Method Man]

You know what I mean? Watch the movie, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about you, Bob?

[Devon Franklin]

For me, what I love in the movie is, you know, all of the main characters, you know, are reading the book and wrestling with what it means for them. And one of the biggest tenets in the books is fixing your aim and knowing what you're shooting at. And so for me, what I love about the movie is, like, I really, sincerely believe love is the most powerful force in the universe.

[Kelly Rowland]

Absolutely.

[Devon Franklin]

And I think that it's really easy in our culture to get cynical about it, especially when you go through things and difficulties and challenges in the area of love, dating and relationships. But for me, it was about, we gotta keep this area of hope. This is an area where people hurt so much. So for me personally, making the movie was like, this is good. It's therapeutic. It's positive to put this out there, that we can't give up on love. I believe, especially as a man, I think it's important for us as men. And when you see his character, Jared's character in the meth's, character in the film named Jared, he's a man who believes in love. He has a past, and he's reckoned with that past, and he's making Amends for that past. But one of the things that the book does is reminds him that love is the aim. And I just think that that's something that I wanted to put in the culture right now.

[DJ Envy]

With all that being said, how do you shut down, though, right? Because you guys do so many projects. You were on tour, you do so many different things. You do so many different things. How do you shut down for that love at home? You know, because you still got to work, but then you still got a home life that you got to make sure the home is good. How do y'.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All.

[Method Man]

Two separate worlds. I think home life more grounded in reality for me. I can't speak for everybody. Home life is grounded more in reality for me. All this is tv, period.

[DJ Envy]

You ever have to shut that TV down and make sure you spend that quality time that we forget about.

[Method Man]

When I'm outside, I'm outside. When I'm indoors, that's a totally different energy. So I know how to separate the two, you know, but they are. I'm not gonna lie. I'd rather be inside than outside at this point in life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My.

[Method Man]

So you know. But I do know how to separate the two. Not saying it always works. Something has to suffer in the end. Kelly can definitely speak to that. You know something, One thing's gonna be imbalanced, and the other is gonna, you know, whatever. But you learn to deal with it. You learn to move forward, and you learn to say, this is what our life is. And we have to accept that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm glad you said that. Because work life, balance is a myth. I don't know why we can't.

[Devon Franklin]

It doesn't exist.

[Kelly Rowland]

No, it doesn't. And then you put all the other variables in which you. And you're like, oh, today motherhood is my priority. Then it's like, oh, well, I haven't spent any time with Tim. I need to go spend time. Okay, so Tim is the priority today. Oh, I need to get back to this project. Okay. So music is like, everything, like, trumps the other one. Everything, everything. Everything. Everything is more of a priority than others on certain days. I just think that, like, you. Like you said, it's no such thing as a balance. You're just figuring out which one is the priority that you day.

[Devon Franklin]

No, I was just going to say so I think it's also integration, because even when you're busy and you're away, consideration is. If you prioritize that. And consideration could just be a text.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yes.

[Devon Franklin]

Hey, babe. Thinking about you, babe. Look at this.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[Devon Franklin]

You know, it's just always keeping your relationship a priority, mentally and emotionally, spiritually, and even when you're not there, that will then produce different forms of consideration. And that's that how you do it? Because there's.

[DJ Envy]

There is no text it right now.

[Kelly Rowland]

In real life. No, literally, before I left the house, like the other morning to come here, I did. What do you call it? Post its. Like, post it notes. Like, in the closet. Like in Tim's closet and Noah's closet. Like, just to remind him, like, have a great day at school today. Oh, baby, I can't wait to see you when you get back. Like, stuff, like, all that stuff is really important. Yeah, it definitely sows the seed.

[Devon Franklin]

Consideration.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Go, go ahead, go, go.

[Kelly Rowland]

A hair raised.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, all three of y'.

[Devon Franklin]

All.

[Jess Hilarious]

But Devon, specifically, what do you believe is the healthiest balance of using faith and therapy to seek love?

[Devon Franklin]

Yeah, I think. I think.

[DJ Envy]

Yo, go ahead.

[Devon Franklin]

What's wrong with you? Why you messing up a question?

[Kelly Rowland]

This is my real question.

[DJ Envy]

You don't got me a bully over there. Go ahead.

[Devon Franklin]

Listen, listen. They both work together, but they're both separate, Right?

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Devon Franklin]

I believe that anybody who has found love or wants love has to have faith, because it is a miracle on a planet with billions of people, that two people can find each other and make the decision to do life together. That is like a miracle. So you gotta have a level of faith, even if you don't realize it, because if you're on an app or you're going out, you. You're having the faith that one day I'm gonna find a person that's gonna be my partner. So that's faith to me. When it comes to therapy, therapy is about the trauma. Right? And most of us have had a lot of trauma in this area of love, dating, and relationships. So I do believe that in order to be a great partner and just a great person, therapy is important. You know, I got into therapy, what, six, seven years ago, and what it does.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry, my kids are watching.

[Method Man]

They love that.

[DJ Envy]

Six, seven.

[Method Man]

Oh, they love that. Right?

[Devon Franklin]

There you go for the coach,

[DJ Envy]

But for me.

[Devon Franklin]

But what you don't realize is you think like, oh, I'm good.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[Devon Franklin]

But you don't realize when you get into therapy, you realize, oh, wow, there's some wounds. And then what you don't realize when you don't do therapy, then you bleed on your partner, and then you get. You want them to be your therapist. And I, for me personally, I had to work on what my wounds were getting that type of healing. So then I can be a better individual and a better partner. So I think they work together, but they definitely are individual pursuits.

[Jess Hilarious]

How do you know you need therapy? Because that a lot of people, like you said, you don't even know that you need it until I guess you're in a, in a situation. Yeah, like how do you know if

[Devon Franklin]

you're breathing, you need it, period. Because everybody's been through some trauma, some challenges, some difficulties, and you can't figure

[Kelly Rowland]

that stuff out on your own. Here you are trying to unravel a ball that steady weaving itself, you know what I mean? Like the particular space in which you've had the trauma and then it's something else that is an extension of it and it weaves itself, you know what I mean? And it's the trigger, you know what I mean? So you're trying to figure out how to battle the trigger on top of a trigger, on top of the trigger, on top of the base of the trauma. So it's like you're constantly trying to figure it out. That is exhausting. Like we're supposed to be living life abundant, you know, and joy, joy and like actually excited about trying to figure that stuff out for ourselves first. Because like he said, you're going to bleed over the other person. That is even more painful because you, you, you love yourself, but you, you've decided to love this person the way you love God. And I'm not trying to bleed all over you like that.

[Method Man]

Amen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about when the person's dealing with all types of trauma and they telling you that, you know, you got to love me the way God love me, but God's love is unconditional. When do you know when to back away?

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[DJ Envy]

What up, everybody? It's DJ Emmy from the Breakfast Club. Now you know me and my wife, married 24 years and together over 30. And yes, we still speak on the phone every day. I mean, the early days, I didn't have a cell phone. I couldn't afford a cell phone. And the cell phones were like the size of a. A man's purse. But anyway, I love speaking to my wife over the phone. People say we talk too much, but that's my best friend. Why shouldn't we be able to talk all the time? All day long? 24, 7. But did you know that 2026 will mark the 150th anniversary of the first ever phone call. It took place March 10, 1876. And that call sparked it all for the first long distance phone lines. The first lines across America. The first line across the Atlantic. The first round the world called, the first commercial cell Service. The first 911 system AT&T has been connecting people for 150 years in so many different ways. Thank God we have cell phones. I can connect to my moms, my pops, and my whole family. Thank you.

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[Kelly Rowland]

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[Kelly Rowland]

I mean, I ain't going through that, so. So I'm afraid I never will go through that. But I don't. I don't know. I don't, Devon.

[Devon Franklin]

Because I'm gonna call my brother if, like, listen, listen. God's love is for sure unconditional, and we as human beings aspire to that. But everybody has a breaking point. And only you know when you've hit that breaking point. And sometimes the greatest act of love is to make the decision, you know, hey, I love you so much that I can acknowledge that we've done as much as we can do. So that's. That's not. That's not a. That's not a lack of love. Sometimes it takes even more love to do that. But each person will know when and if you ever get to that breaking point.

[DJ Envy]

When you started producing the film, did you know meth and Kelly Rowland was the perfect match for this?

[Devon Franklin]

No, you know, I didn't. What was cool is I've been developing this script for years. You know, really, whenever I'm making a movie, you know, a movie is only as good as a script. So this script just took a little longer to get right because, you know, Pastor Todd's book is a book of advice. It's not a narrative. So we literally had to create the story from scratch. And so by the time I got the script right and then I had hired Linda Mendoza to direct the movie, and she's a really, you know, amazing prominent comedy director. And so I was like, okay, who can do this? And I talked to Amazon. I was like, kelly Rowland. So Kelly and I had had lunch right before Mea Culpa came out, and so I got a sense of what it is she wanted to do. And so I sent it to her, and over the weekend, and in 24 hours, she read it. And she's like, I'm in. I'm like, bet. So I let Amazon know, yo, we got Kelly. They're like, dope. Let's do it. So we started the process of making the movie, and we started, you know, seeing a lot of guys to play Jared. We looked at probably 100 different dudes,

[Method Man]

and they just didn't cut it, you

[Devon Franklin]

know, exactly as well. And then Amber Raspberry, our executive at Amazon, said, hey, what about Method Man? And I was like, yo, we met, like, 10 years ago and been talking about trying to do something. So we sent him the script. He loved it. He came in on a chemistry read with Kelly, and within two minutes, we

[Method Man]

were like, all right, bet.

[Devon Franklin]

There it is. And so it just organically, you know, came out this way. And to me, it's like, the thing about them, and I'll say this with them here, is like, you may see, like, you know, talent that came from the music industry. I want to be very clear. These are two of Hollywood's greatest actors. When I. When you talk about their preparation, I mean, like, Matt cares so much about his lines. There was one scene we were in the car, and he just kept flubbing one line.

[Method Man]

Yeah.

[Devon Franklin]

And he would not stop until he got it perfect. These are two consummate professionals. The way they prepared, the way they got into character, the way they were ambassadors on set. You're not just seeing two music icons come together. You're really seeing two of Hollywood's, I think, leading man and leading woman coming together.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Does that come from rap meth? Like, wanting to get the bar right?

[Method Man]

You want to hit a rhythm. You know what I mean?

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[Method Man]

And I just wasn't feeling it, so I wanted to get it absolutely right. And I mean, if you guys have seen the movie, our leading lady is fantastic.

[Devon Franklin]

Yes, she is.

[Method Man]

And she carries this film big time. Some of my favorite scenes are. I told her this myself. Some of my favorite scenes are with you and the girls. And just that whole camaraderie feels genuine. It doesn't feel thrown together. It feels real. So kudos.

[Kelly Rowland]

Kudos.

[DJ Envy]

You know, Jess tried out for a partner in the movie.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yo, relax.

[Jess Hilarious]

I said don't bring that up.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry. My bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Devon Franklin]

Did you her audition? No, but the audition was great. It was great.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, you seen it?

[Lauren LaRosa]

You saw her tape?

[Devon Franklin]

Of course I've seen it.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yes.

[Devon Franklin]

I've made sure it happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, God is watching.

[Devon Franklin]

How would you lie like that?

[Method Man]

You know what?

[DJ Envy]

I would not.

[Kelly Rowland]

I would not lie.

[Method Man]

From personal experience, Jess, when you don't get the part. Sometimes it's just you don't fit the suit.

[Devon Franklin]

That's it.

[Method Man]

That's it.

[Devon Franklin]

Don't do that to her. No, she didn't.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Devon, in this movie, right, you use Method Man's character to really have a conversation about, like, how we look at men or don't allow them to grow in vulnerability when it comes to love. Right?

[Method Man]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What was probably the most important conversation, you wanted people to walk. Women to walk away with from seeing his character,

[Devon Franklin]

you know, and this is probably. This is probably, you know, a hard one. But you asked the question that men can change. Men can change.

[Kelly Rowland]

The room was silent.

[Devon Franklin]

I know, I know.

[DJ Envy]

You could have heard a pin drop.

[Devon Franklin]

But, like, when you look at the movie and everybody watch the movie, it comes out on Amazon Prime February 4th, tomorrow. And so when you see this film, you'll see that Jared and Leah have a past. He's made some mistakes, but he is serious about atoning for those mistakes. And he gets the book Relationship Goals, and. And it has principles in it that really help him recognize how much of a. You know, of. Of less than a man and a dog he was and that he's reformed. And so I think when you watch this movie, Leah has a choice. Do I believe him?

[Method Man]

Right.

[Devon Franklin]

Can I trust it?

[Method Man]

Yeah.

[Devon Franklin]

And part of that is seeing his behavior and evaluating that, and the other part of it is having faith and seeing. So that is one of. When we talk about the male character, one of the greatest things to take away is, like, a man can change. Now, I know in our culture, everybody wants to say, well, no, no, man. Once a man's. No, a man can change, and a man can be remorseful. And this movie, I wanted to show that, you know, as men, as black men, we can go through things. We can make mistakes, we can right our wrongs. And he's the one that brings the book into the movie. So he's a reader. He's trying to better himself. So I really wanted to have a character that could embody all of that. And hopefully, people walk away from the film saying, all right, you know what? Let me not just close myself off to love, and let me not just say, this person is how they're always going to be. Let me give it some time to see.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why do you think vulnerability is still so hard for men to fully embrace, so deeply rooted?

[Kelly Rowland]

I'm not a man. Go ahead, man. Sorry.

[Method Man]

I like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because you got to give something away.

[Method Man]

It feels like you have to give something away. You have to sacrifice Part of yourself and shit. To be vulnerable and especially when you're out, let's just put it this way. But when we leave out of our homes and we go into our workforce, we're dealing, we're battling all day long, battling for position, whatever it is, whatever it is your kick is. And then we want to get home the same way a police officer does after his shift when he goes to work. There's the stress of the day. I may be killed today. You know, same thing with a man. I may be fired this day or my company may go under this day. But when he comes home, he wants to have peace, comfort and everything that comes with that. This is where he can be vulnerable. Because his woman, who he's involved with or whatever your significant other is, they're there to comfort that person and tell them you did all of that just so you could be here and do this. Now relax, I got you that kind of thing. So that this is where you want to be vulnerable at because you have no other place to be vulnerable. So, yeah, I mean, and still it's just like what you're sacrificing in that moment is maybe this woman is going to look at me like, you know, I'm a little soft or whatever. But no, any woman that could look at that vulnerability and think softness is not for you, if anything, she's looking at you, it's. I hate to equate it to this, but I've seen a report, I've seen this investigation about dogs and a dog using the bathroom around its owner. Dogs don't use the bath. Like they're very skeptical about where they go because they're vulnerable in that moment. So they have to honestly trust you in order to take a poop in front of you. So when you get to a point in your relationship where you could poop with the door open and your significant other's right there brushing they teeth, vulnerability right there, Boom. See how I wrap that up in a nice little

[Jess Hilarious]

going back to what you said, Devon, we were talking about. Men can change and they can, you know what I'm saying? Like Jared's character, he was a dog, you know what I mean? He did some.

[Method Man]

Wasn't a dog.

[Jess Hilarious]

All right?

[Devon Franklin]

You know, just a puppet player.

[Kelly Rowland]

He was a little puppet.

[Jess Hilarious]

He had hurt her, you know what I mean? But on the other side of it, a woman can. She's hurt from that. She can carry that and become bitter and not even realize that she's bitter, you know what I'm saying?

[Kelly Rowland]

So

[Jess Hilarious]

how do you even notice that you're bitter and that you actually could be so bitter from what happened to you back then that you blocking yourself from love, from what you want. Like, you got the list and everything, you know what you want, but you're blocking your blessing because you are bitter from what happened to you way back.

[Devon Franklin]

Yeah, you know, I think in the movie, you know, the bitterness on some level shows up in the form of Leah's list. The list seems like a great thing, Right. She has all these attributes of what she wants in her partner, but what it does is it masks insecurity. And the idea, if I can just get this list, then I won't get hurt. And this is probably the hardest thing when it comes to love. To your point about vulnerability, when you love and you open up your heart, you open up your heart to help, but you open up your heart to hurt as well. And the admission price for love is faith. You have to be open, because if you're not open, you're never going to receive it and you can't give it. So to your point, like, how do you know if you're bitter? What's your emotional disposition when you wake up in the morning? Are you in peace? Are you in joy? Are you optimistic? You know, and for me, those are choices, too. Those are choices. Those are choices. And for me, I'm like, you know, especially when you watch the movie, I'm like, man, I don't. We all go through heartbreak. We all go through difficult things. But you can get to love when you practice that love, when you make the choice to be that love, that joy, that happiness. And so over the course of the movie, you see Leah, you know, grappling with that. And over the course of the film, she starts to realize, like, wait a minute, I got to open up my heart.

[DJ Envy]

Right?

[Devon Franklin]

I'm too closed off to it. And I think that that's probably one of the hardest things to do.

[Method Man]

Right?

[Devon Franklin]

But on the other side of it, when you get love, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's. None of this matters. And in my opinion, this is all fine. But when you have love, when you have the right person that you can share your. Your heart and your home and your health with, yeah, that's what life is about. And so, you know, I would advise anybody watch this film and really allow yourself to identify what are the areas in your heart that you're hurting. And here's the other last thing I'll say. It's okay to hurt, like, in the Movie Leah hurts. And so often we don't want to hurt. We just want to fast forward through the hurt. No, sit in it, feel it. Because when you feel, that's when you can heal. And that's what you see in this movie. And then on the other side of that feeling and that healing is love waiting. And that, to me is one of the greatest things about this film, is that it is entirely optimistic. This is not a pessimistic film. It's a film that will anybody, no matter what status of relationship you're in, you can watch it and take something from it that I believe will help you in your love life.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Kelly, I had a question. So piggybacking up both of those conversations, right? I watched that you and Methyman interview each other for et and you were talking about, I think he asked you, like, what was your favorite thing that, like, your husband does for you or something like that. And you said, just the way he loves on me and my son. But you also said you're still learning how to receive that love.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Therapy. It all goes back to therapy. I'm still learning how to receive that. And by the way, I think that people like, well, once you get married, you figure it out. Like hell you do. You still trying to figure it out in marriage, you know what I mean? It's like, why I think that fixing your aim before you get married is also a really great goal because then you get to work some things out. You know what I mean? Knew that Tim was my husband. I didn't know that I was going to run into so many different things that were triggers for me. You know what I mean? Like how to love him. Oh, my God. Something's in my eye. But, like, how to love him the way he deserves to be loved. Like, I want to love him the way he deserves to be loved, because he loves me that way. And he's figuring out. Thank you. He's figuring out things in his way and how to love me as well. And we're constantly evolving, so we're not going to get it right every time. We've been together Since I was 26, I'm 45 now, so it's like, damn, you look good.

[DJ Envy]

Damn.

[Kelly Rowland]

Thank you. Thank you. But it's like us figuring out how to do that the right way for each other. And that's why I'm in therapy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kelly, you don't speak enough about how women miss their blessings. Looking for height. They can get a short king and live happily ever after.

[Kelly Rowland]

Well. Cause you're saying my husband is almost like. Almost the same height you and Tim. Tim. That wasn't me that said that your

[DJ Envy]

feet don't even touch the ground right now. He is taller than me.

[Devon Franklin]

Shut up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The point is.

[Kelly Rowland]

Well, here's the thing. I understaff it. You can find a great king because he's a great king. But it was for me. I did have that list. I had a crazy list. I actually found that list before. Yes, I did. Before. Did I have a list?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Did you write your list?

[Kelly Rowland]

Oh, you know, 2020. I knew exactly. I thought I knew what I wanted, but Tim gave me what I needed. And I think that that was the difference. I was saying that the other day. Like, I didn't know. I was so busy writing down what I wanted, I didn't know what I needed. And I think that experience makes you realize what you need. I think that, you know, as you're dating, you know, and figuring everything out, you can write everything down. Like, I'll never forget this one time I was crying after a breakup and just in my head, in my hands, and Bea walks in and she goes, why are you crying? And I said, because she's like, but tell me, why are you crying? And I said, I don't know. She was like, what you need to be doing is taking inventory of what you didn't like about this situation so you'll be ready for the next one.

[DJ Envy]

There it is.

[Kelly Rowland]

And I was like, mars. Like, it was so good. And literally I stopped crying in that moment because I realized like that what I was crying. I didn't even know why I was crying. It was the hype that I just lost a boyfriend, you know what I mean? And we get lost in that kind of sauce sometimes, like, you have to actually start to take inventory and strategize on what it is that you need.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what's the difference between compromise and self portrayal in relationships? Then when you have a list, like, when you. How do you know when you're compromising? You're just betraying yourself.

[Kelly Rowland]

I mean, I didn't feel like I was compromising anything. I think that's a self thing. Like, I. I wanted to. I just wanted to be honest with myself, you know what I mean? And I was just going from that. I wasn't thinking about compromising anything as much as it was. I just. I like the way he speaks to me. I love the way he makes me feel when I'm around him. I love the fact that he took up from me and nobody's taken up from, like, literally, I say, and I'll say it to this day, Tim is the greatest man I've ever known. It's like. Cause you gotta remember I got my daddy issues. You know what I mean? And until I met my dad a couple years back, I didn't know how messy that was and what kind of guy I was supposed to choose. I wasn't supposed to choose a Tim, you know what I mean? He was supposed to walk past me, but I thought more of myself to choose a good man.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I saw you talk about your relationship with your dad and kind of how you being a mom has, like, you know, how that balance has been. But what has your relationship with Tim been like since you, like, having that stronger relationship with your dad?

[Kelly Rowland]

Oh, it's been great. It's been great. He, by the way, Tim was very protective, just transparently speaking, of me meeting my dad, you know what I mean? And I had to talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was protective of me meeting my dad. Cause he's just like, I don't know if this is gonna open up for her. You know what I mean? It was him thinking about it like that. But they get along beautifully, you know?

[DJ Envy]

And you wanted that. You wanted that.

[Kelly Rowland]

I did, I did. And I needed to see, like, where my roots are from. Do you know, when I met my dad, I realized where I got singing from, which was his mother. His mother was a background singer for Lena Horne and Count Basie. I didn't know any of that. So I got these beautiful gems and didn't know what the other side of me was. And then I look at Noah's face. Noah looked just like his mama, my dad's mom. And it's just amazing to me, because what if I would have closed that off? That's why forgiveness is a real thing. And I remember speaking to my big brother about going to talk to my dad, and he was like, look, it's love. You either jump or you don't, period.

[Method Man]

See that growth, yo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I'm playing with my sister talking about growth. Meth. You know, hip hop has changed how it talks about. Talks about relationships over the years. Like, where do you think we. We've grown and where do you think

[Method Man]

we still stuck as far as hip hop?

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[Method Man]

Oh, it's a lot of work to still be done, man. I mean, it starts with a lot of these gatekeepers trying to dictate what this new generation should be doing, you know, because honestly, when we was doing it, we had fun. We was having a lot of fun. And What I can give this new generation credit for is that they did a lot more business than show. In the show business part of it, you know, we're creating generational wealth and they're the babies of that. And I mean, we could be in a way better place, especially with the message, of course. And when I was doing it back in the day, I. I mean, we. Wu Tang had a message. Regardless of whether you heard gunshots or swords, there was still a message there. And I think a lot of times the vibe gets lost for the substance. The substance. There's no substance in the vibe. The vibe has no substance and shit. And again, I can't knock these kids for liking what they like, but I just wish it was a bit more diversity, for lack of a better word.

[DJ Envy]

But did the business hurt it, like. Cause you talk about the fun you did. You did things for fun. And in business later, which was bad for pockets, but it was natural.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was thinking about there was a level of emotional maturity that might had existed back then that maybe may not exist now, because, like, even all I need, that was. That was our relationship goal.

[Method Man]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Everything in every line is what you want.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[Method Man]

Well, I think that my generation read a lot more books, you know, we went outside, we touched dirt, you know, so experience is king, to be honest, you know, and again, this. This generation, I'm not knocking anything they do because they doing their numbers and it looks like they having fun. I can live vicariously through some of these young, you know, but again, substance and. And you only think about these things when you get my age. You want something that matters, something that you can feel, hold, embrace, and, you know, really cherish. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Now I gotta ask questions. They gotta leave it shortly, too. Guys, when you were performing at the Barclays or Prudential, which one was it?

[Kelly Rowland]

It was at the Barclays.

[DJ Envy]

Did you see? Did you see?

[Kelly Rowland]

Heck, yeah, I did. That's why I said they'd be thinking that they.

[DJ Envy]

No, I saw her.

[Kelly Rowland]

No, I saw her face.

[Jess Hilarious]

Don't play with me.

[Kelly Rowland]

No, but I saw her face and I lit up because it was so nice to see her.

[DJ Envy]

She said that we thought she was lying.

[Kelly Rowland]

See, they always think I'm lying up here. No, because Jess is always really kind and really cool and I really appreciate it. So when I see her, it's warmth, always.

[DJ Envy]

She got mad at her husband, though.

[Kelly Rowland]

Why?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, my God, he was so excited to see you.

[Jess Hilarious]

Listen, my husband went crazy when you came out there.

[Devon Franklin]

I said, it's Kelly Rowland.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jess Hilarious]

But he turned to Me and said it like, you know, that's Kelly Rowland.

[Kelly Rowland]

I'm like, yeah, I know, I know.

[Jess Hilarious]

I'm talking about. Talking about you all night. And I. I love it. I started talking about it with him. I ain't. It's hard.

[Kelly Rowland]

It's hard.

[Jess Hilarious]

It's like, damn, she look good. Congratulations on that.

[Kelly Rowland]

Oh, thank you.

[Jess Hilarious]

You killed it. I just loved it. You look so good.

[Kelly Rowland]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

All that poopity goop.

[Method Man]

I love it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do y' all hear? I hope people take from this film that they might not hear from their friends.

[Kelly Rowland]

Oh, I think they go hear from their friends. I think what's interesting is when the movie goes off is so quiet, you know what I mean? Like, in this way. And then it's like a chatter, you know what I mean? And it's like, well, I. You know, this. It starts conversation. I hope it provokes conversation left and right so that it, like, really encourages people to see the movie, see the message, see. See these characters and not just know. It's like, not just about the Jarrett and Leah relationship. It's the girlfriends, too. The girlfriends enrich the story. Yeah. And, like, how beautiful it was that as relationship goes for even the friends as well, that I don't want to give away too much, but it's like the relationship with the girlfriends and everybody that's involved. You see how relationships, goals as a whole, not just romantically, are just really important. And. Yeah, that's. That's what it is for me.

[Method Man]

I just want people to root for these people in this film.

[Kelly Rowland]

Yeah.

[Method Man]

Root for their relationships as well. Yeah.

[Devon Franklin]

And for me, I mean, I think it's one of the few movies that can actually change your life. Because when you look at the YouTube series and the Relationship Goals YouTube series, then the Relationship Goals book changed millions of people's lives for the better. And the same principles in the book, in the YouTube series are in the movie. So I think I want people to have a great experience. It's funny. It's a great, entertaining film with two of the greatest actors on the planet, and it can actually make you fix your aim in life and in love. And I think that it's a rare thing where you can watch a movie that entertains you, but it also makes you think, like, oh, shoot, there's some things I can actually change. And I can apply what I saw in the film to my personal life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then you're not getting enough credit, man, because, you know, you wanted a few black men. That's not only, you know, getting things made getting things green lit, you know, casting a lot of black people. Like I don't think you getting enough credit for that. With Franklin Entertainment. Thank you. Every six months.

[DJ Envy]

I disagree.

[Method Man]

I disagree. He's very active. We, we see Devon a lot. Especially in the past three years. I've seen a lot of congratulations. Thank you.

[Devon Franklin]

Thank you all. I appreciate it.

[DJ Envy]

Well, listen out today. Make sure you go get it. Go check it out on prime video relationship goals. We appreciate you for joining us. Devon Franklin met the man, Kelly Rowland.

[Kelly Rowland]

What's up? It's the Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Good morning.

[Method Man]

Appreciate it.

[DJ Envy]

Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.

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