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Best Of Full Interview: Matt Barnes & Stephen Jackson Talk 'All The Smoke;' Podcast & Book, Kobe, Kamala, Bronny James +More
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Jason Alexander
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Jason Alexander
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
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DJ Envy
The Breakfast Club.
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Jess Hilarious
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess. Hilarious Charlemagne. The God we are the Breakfast Club. Jess is on maternity leave, so Lauren LaRosa is filling in. And we got some special guests in the building. That's right, we got Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson. Welcome, fellas.
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DJ Envy
What's up, family?
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Matt Barnes
How y'all feeling?
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DJ Envy
Good.
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Matt Barnes
Good. Tired, but good. Tired but good.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Collectively known as the all the Smoke podcast. Their new coffee table book is out right now. All the Smoke, man. You know, I always say, like, I know that there's a lot of athletes who do podcasts and stuff now. I don't know anybody before y'all. I feel like y'all started that whole wave. So to see y'all be the first with a coffee table book, man, that makes so much sense to me, man.
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Matt Barnes
It's been a blessing, it's been a journey. I mean, our five year anniversary is tomorrow.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
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Matt Barnes
If you would have told me, like, five years later, we'd have a coffee table book, a whole production company, and people working underneath us, I would have been like, you're full of shit. I didn't even know what a podcast was at the time. So, you know, we are blessed to come together and, and, and, and find lightning in a bottle and thankful for the opportunities and obviously being able to partner with you and your, your, your company and, and be able to get this done was dope.
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Charlamagne Tha God
How did this happen?
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DJ Envy
A lot of people don't know that, bro. Shouts out to you. A lot of our success, you know, a lot of stuff that we have going on, you brought our way and you thought about us even with Black Effect, so we appreciate you. A lot of people don't know this, so we gotta give you your props too.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I love my brothers. How did this come about, though? This just, just for a podcast. Like, I know y'all was partnering together.
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Matt Barnes
Yeah, I think we, I, I Think Jack retired maybe one or two years before me. And we both got outn and getting positive feedback, and people said we needed to do something together. And we were at my house in the bay one time smoking, and I'm just like, you want to do a podcast? And he's like, sure, what is it? I was like, I don't really know, but I think we can drink and smoke because we were working at ESPN and Fox. You know, you got to kind of walk that line. So it was just a little bit more to our comfort zone. And he said, yeah. So I started doing the homework, and we landed here. We landed at Showtime.
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Jess Hilarious
And you interviewed so many. So many people. Who are some of your favorite people that you guys have interviewed in the past?
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DJ Envy
I mean, I'm a. I'm a big hip hop guy and a comedy guy. So the comedians and the rap artists, like Lil Wayne, having Kevin Hart on the show, you know, been able to laugh at them. I think Jamie Foxx. Jamie, we was home during COVID that episode, man. I think everybody needed that one. So when we had the comedians and the hip hop artists on, that's always my favorite.
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Matt Barnes
I just think, you know, being a. Like you guys, a trusted voice in the space is important, you know, for us to start with J.R. smith and end up with Kamala Harris and Kobe's last interview and Steph and KD and Shaq, and the list goes on. You know, Will Smith. Will Smith, Jada. Jada Pinkett Smith. I just think being a trusted voice in this space with so many voices is. Is, you know, something I pride myself on.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I think athletes didn't have a safe space before. Before y'all, especially NBA players, because we can't speak the language y'all speak.
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Jess Hilarious
No.
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Charlamagne Tha God
So y'all. It causes them to open up in a different way.
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DJ Envy
You know, we weigh emotions on the sleeve, and everything we've been through in life is on the table for everybody to see, and we willing to talk about it. So I think when I guess, see that it's easy for them to open up too.
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Jess Hilarious
Now, Kamala was your most recent.
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Matt Barnes
We did Joe Kim Noah after her. But, yeah, Kamala was. Yeah, a big boy for us.
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Jess Hilarious
And how was that? I know you're a little reluctant a little bit at first.
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DJ Envy
Oh, no. You know that I called him. I talked to him about it. Me and Matt, we went at it for a couple days about it.
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Jess Hilarious
You didn't want to do it at first?
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DJ Envy
Nah, because I. I really don't want to get in politics. I. I Don't even want to be involved. And a lot of people that support me don't get involved, you know what I'm saying? I look at it the same way I look at it, but as a friend and as a brother to him, you know, anything that, that, that he asks me to do some, you know, nine out of ten times, I'm lord to a fault, you know what I'm saying? Even if it's something I don't want to do. But I know it was beneficial for our company. I know it's benefit. And I see after, after I did the interview, I see now I have a lot of women in my life. I have eight aunts, six daughters, you know, so I would look to them after I did the interview. I'm glad I did it now because they all look at her and they look up to her and inspire to be great like her. So I'm glad I did it.
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Stephen Jackson
How did you guys prepare for her?
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Matt Barnes
A lot of studying, a lot of smoking, a lot of stuff. But I want to take it back before I get to your question. You know, when he said he didn't want it, first of all, I told him, I said, stack, have I ever led you wrong in the business decision or life? And he said no. But you know, when he said he didn't want to get involved with the politics, I, I told him, you know, I don't think that was his choice because once he did that George Floyd thing, he put him smack dab in the middle of the biggest leading, one of the biggest protests this world has ever seen. So a lot of things come with that. A lot of good, a lot of bad, but a lot of things come with that. And I think that he implanted himself in the middle. And I always respected, I mean, always will respect his opinion, but I just thought this can be an opportunity for. He has a very loyal following and it could have been a, you know, it was, it was an opportunity for him to, you know, get some stuff on his chest or ask straight to the face, you know, ask. Ask her straight to the face those questions. So I'm glad he decided to come around. It took him a minute, like literally, hey, let me tell you, bro, until she came in the room, Jack wasn't with me.
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Stephen Jackson
Oh, wow.
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Matt Barnes
Right until. So. So she came in the room and then she took us away from the group and, and took us on a walk throughout the house and started showing us these, these dope black art and sculptures. And Jack was still tough. Like, I ain't with this and then he saw this one piece of art he liked, and she talked about it, and she had moved on. And I kept following. He went and touched the art and looked at it. I was like, oh, she might be getting to him. And then he showed. She showed this dope ass chandelier. And then once she showed the chandelier and explained it, and the Jack started smiles, like, all right, she got him. So we were straight. So it took him a minute to warm up.
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Stephen Jackson
Did she know that you didn't want to do it?
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DJ Envy
She had to.
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Matt Barnes
Yeah, she had a little bit. I think she had a little. Somebody might have handed her hand it to her. But how do we prepare? I mean, just. I mean, we prepare. Like, we used to play, like, watch game film. So we study, you know, we go back and do research, and then we get with our research team and. And find out the strategy. My strategy with this interview was it wasn't a political interview. It was an all the smoke interview. We happened to ask a few political questions. We felt it was close to our community, but at the end of the day, we wanted to humanize her and get to know her a little better. So just kind of figuring out what was that opening question to get her laughing and smiling and, you know, found out the story about the blind date with her now husband, Doug. And as soon as we asked that, she started smiling from ear to ear. And we knew that we kind of got her to open, you know, put her guard down a little bit. And it was. It was a fun interview.
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Charlamagne Tha God
The biracial question and the question about the blended family killed it.
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Matt Barnes
Yeah.
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Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying? Cause, like, it connected with her. She could. There's no script for that. You know, you can't go to your talking points for that. You just gotta be honest.
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Matt Barnes
You gotta be sure. And that's what we wanted. You know, Charlamagne, We've been lucky to humanize and make our guests feel comfortable to really share their true opinions. And biracial and step parents. We both are. But biracial is something that I've fought with and dealt with really, my entire career. And now that this is at the forefront of her campaign, I just thought it would be a great talking point.
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Charlamagne Tha God
That's what I was telling Jax, too. I'm like, yo, if not you, then who? Because if you got an opinion about these elected officials and you've been expressing it, express it to her.
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Matt Barnes
But I also think, too, I mean, she could have went to any podcast.
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DJ Envy
That's right.
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Matt Barnes
There's A ton. Like you said, there's a ton of them.
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Jess Hilarious
But I love the fact that she came in. I said that the other day on the radio. I was like, you know, she needs to do where people are going. And sometimes these politicians go to places where we don't necessarily go to. And I want to see her do more stuff like that.
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Stephen Jackson
What were the conversations with her like off of the air? Like, were there things that y'all took about off her? Were you like, dang.
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Matt Barnes
I asked her if she, you know, because I knew that the vice president house was probably stiff and white for a lot of years, so I asked her if she added her touch to it. And that's when we got kind of started talking about the art and stuff she's done to the house to kind of put her. Put her energy around it. What else we talked about, Actually, I feel like the last three or four or four minutes of the podcast, and I think we caught some of it just. It was a back and forth and do you remember what we was talking about? The very end?
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DJ Envy
I was talking about. She asked about Gianna. We talked about the warriors being there. You know, we played. Yeah, we believe time.
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Jess Hilarious
Did y'all smoke before y'all got there?
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Matt Barnes
I did, of course.
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DJ Envy
I'm tired now.
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Matt Barnes
Yeah, it was too presidential to be able to try to sneak it in and get one off. And we was representing a lot of people, so we didn't want to get in trouble. But, yeah, definitely, we pre gamed.
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DJ Envy
You know, that was one of them Smoke shower, you know, in the shower. Yeah.
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Jess Hilarious
So don't mess up the hotel room.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Like, you still got aspirations at the run for office, man.
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Matt Barnes
I did, man. I said that at, like, early 30s. And, you know, I started shadowing Kevin Johnson, who was the current mayor at the time. Then I worked with Darrell Steinberg a little bit. And, you know, it. I said it at 50. I'm 44 now, so we'll see. I mean, I, you know, year by year, I get more engaged and learn more and. And try to understand the process. So if. If my business affairs are in order by the time I'm 50, I may, you know, chase that down.
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Charlamagne Tha God
What do you say to people who say that people in sports shouldn't talk about stuff like politics? Like they should just.
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Matt Barnes
Well, I just feel like we're affected by everything, you know, I mean, just because we played a certain sport. I mean, we're fathers, we're business owners, you know, we're in the community. We're tied to everything. So I Mean, I respect people whether they want to be in it or not. But, you know, my whole thing with people is kind of learn the process. So if you're going to be mad, at least you know what the fuck you're mad at. You know, a lot of people are mad at lies and mad at misconceptions. So my whole thing is learn the process and understand the process and how things, the pecking order and the actual pres. The power that the president, the vice president don't really have. You know, understanding Congress and the House and the Senate and then. And then if you still want to be mad, be mad. But I think just a lot of people are headline readers and they want to get mad at. So to me, if you want to be mad, like, learn it and then find something to be mad at.
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DJ Envy
For me, I think it's just really common sense. What we need and what we need to do, it ain't rocket science. So that's. I'm not in the hope dealing, you know what I'm saying? We all know what we need. We all. What we need to stop doing is and to change to get America, you know, everybody having equality and we. And we will act like everything else need to be done besides the common sense, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I don't want to be in politics.
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Jess Hilarious
Do you have a surprise? You know, Cause kind of like the Breakfast Club, our clips live on and you always see them, but I see the same thing with your clips. It could be something that y'all did four years ago. Are you ever surprised how long your clips go and how people recognize you from the podcast, not from the playing days.
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DJ Envy
That goes back to, you know, the lore fan base. You know, that's why we do it. A lot of stuff we do is for the fans, but we got a loyal fan base that's been rockin with us since we've been playing, you know what I mean? So to see our stuff, resurfacing it and we not the ones reposting it, that mean a lot, you know what I'm saying? I mean, we going in the right direction.
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Matt Barnes
Definitely.
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Charlamagne Tha God
You know, y'all had the last conversation with Kobe Bryant, last interview with Kobe Bryant, and I always wondered, was that the last time either one of y'all actually spoke to him before he passed?
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DJ Envy
That was the first and last time I spoke to him since we played against each other. Wow.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I know. Matt, y'all had a. Yeah, we would.
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Matt Barnes
See each other a little bit more because he was Coaching Gigi and I was coaching the twins. So we had talked maybe one time after that, and then he had sent some shoes. Literally the week I think he passed on a Sunday, he sent shoes that previous Monday to the twins and their whole team. So they had just got fresh Kobe. So we had spoken then, obviously, like I said, he sent some shoes the week of the actual. The pass. So it was. It was tough, man.
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Charlamagne Tha God
What stands out from that conversation? I mean, you have it. Y'all have it in the. All the smoke coffee table book, but what stands out from that conversation?
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Matt Barnes
Just from that day, I think the pre. Conversation we went into his office and how adamant he was of people. The whole ride there, though, like, yeah, oh, yeah, we did some on the ride, right?
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DJ Envy
For the whole ride there, we was.
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Matt Barnes
Like, we never got to put that out, right?
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DJ Envy
We never put that out there.
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Matt Barnes
That was crazy. We had a dope ride. We filmed and. And talked a lot of. But I think with y'all 3n just the anticipation of. Cuz we had to go out there. We went out to go see him. So we left from LA to Orange county, like an hour and a half, hour and a half drive, depending on when you drive.
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Charlamagne Tha God
But how many blunts is that?
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DJ Envy
One. One, maybe two.
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Matt Barnes
One. Okay. Yeah, you know, not too much. But we had a conversation in his office before we actually got on camera, and he was really adamant about this next 20 years then and world to be prepared for what he was doing in business. He was just finishing writing one of the children novels he was working on, and he's just like, fellas, like, I don't want people to remember me from my last 20 years. I want them to remember me for my next 20 years. You know, he had the fund and had won Emmys and doing all kinds of stuff in the business space and obviously really saw when I got to see him coach Gigi and. And just he didn't always. Never showed a ton of joy, but you can just tell he loved it. I mean, he had these little girls running the triangle offense. What takes grown men a long time to learn. He had these girls practicing four or five days a week, three hours a day. Like, the thing about Kobe was he didn't take nothing light when it came to basketball. So these were little young girls, but they were running the Lakers offense to a tee.
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DJ Envy
It was.
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Matt Barnes
He was like a drill sergeant with it, but you could tell he loved it. You know, all those little girls loved him and looked up to him and just the passion behind that was beautiful.
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DJ Envy
To see for me, I think seeing meeting him as a teenager and seeing him grow into the icon he was, I just admired that, you know, with so many. So many players and basketball players you come across during AAU and traveling, you know, coming up as a teenager, you see so many people that's supposed to be great that don't live up to it, you know what I'm saying? He lived up to it and exceeded it. So, you know, just to be able to sit there, to talk to him after our careers, you know what I mean, and go through the memories, you know what I'm saying? Then before he passed, that meant everything to me.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Was Kobe a scooper or a scooper or a score?
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DJ Envy
He was definitely a Hooper.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
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DJ Envy
Yeah, he was a dog on both ends. Definitely a dog. Not even close. Probably the mascot of a Hooper.
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Charlamagne Tha God
People got mad at you when you said that, but I don't even play ball and understood what you were saying.
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DJ Envy
Yeah, because a lot of those people who got mad are the ones I was talking to. People only get mad when they're guilty of it. You know what I'm saying? Why wouldn't. The shoe fits? It's. A lot of guys that were built came in the NBA where their job was just to score. They didn't compete on both ends. A lot of them didn't give that effort. And that's just the facts.
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Jess Hilarious
I just seen the video again yesterday of you and Kobe going back and forth.
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Matt Barnes
Yeah, well, I mean, when you mentioned that, that was the thing that came to my mind. Like, I coach kids now and they become kids that come to me at the AU tournament that weren't even born. You did that to Kobe.
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Jess Hilarious
You did that to Kobe. But they didn't even see the minutes before that.
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Matt Barnes
Yeah, no, we was. Yeah, we was going at it, you know, and it was funny in that last interview, we talk like I was ready to fight him, you know, Kobe.
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Jess Hilarious
What stopped you from swinging on him? Because he elbow to your stomach, he was pushing you. It got to the point one time.
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DJ Envy
I was like, well, you got to respect for certain people where they. They won't do that either. They know, you know what I'm saying, You'll go to that point. And there's some people that you don't even know. They'll go to point. They'll know I'll knock you out. But Kobe, like, that's just competition. It ain't personal.
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Matt Barnes
Yeah, but it was personal that day, though.
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Jess Hilarious
It looked like you wanted a second.
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Matt Barnes
Like one more because, I mean, obviously we all Know how great he was as just a player, but he was mentally, too. So, like you said, all the elbow and shit that the refs claim they don't see or don't want to see, like, I was tired of that shit, you know what I mean? And I keep getting called fouls for retaliating. So I'm like, fuck this, man.
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Charlamagne Tha God
But that's how y'all got cool, though.
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DJ Envy
He said.
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Charlamagne Tha God
But he said, if anybody crazy enough to mess with me like this, I want him on my team.
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Matt Barnes
He called me that. So I was actually. My deal was up in Orlando, and this is when Braun and Bosch were going to Miami. So I was talking to Pat Riley and even D. Wade on the phone one time, and Pat was telling me about the lineups and the championships we can win. And I got a cold call from a number I didn't even know and happened to pick it up, and it was him. And we talked a little bit, and I congratulated them about winning and asked what I was doing. He said, what you said? He's just like, you want to be a Laker? I'm like, hell, yeah. And like, three days, Laker. I was. Three days later, I was a Laker. Wow.
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Jess Hilarious
What do you think about the Lakers now? We see Bronny played the last two games, and people are on Bronny's ass.
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DJ Envy
That's a beautiful. I showed him the picture when we got in the car. We saw the panel. That's the dopest picture ever. When he helping his dad up. That's the dopest shit ever. Whoever. Hating die. Yeah.
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Matt Barnes
I mean, I think if anyone deserves this opportunity to play with his son, I think it's him. You know what I mean? And the fact that that whole thing was orchestrated for him to. To get to the Lakers is amazing. And I was. I was. I had a moment this past summer because my twins are 15 now, so I take them and play against grown men. And I remember one time me and the twins were on the same team playing, and we was hooping. I'm just like, man, this is so dope. I couldn't imagine this on the highest level. So to me, I don't give a fuck. I mean, the kid was a 55th pick. Normally, the 55th pick doesn't even make it. So all these crazy expectations for him early are ridiculous, like, allow him to develop. But, you know, we don't live in a world where development is allowed, especially on the highest level. So I think from a father, son aspect is incredible. But, you know, The Lakers are one of those teams where you got to produce. What have you done for me lately? And they haven't necessarily done that. So it's going to be interesting, you know, scrutinized year.
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Stephen Jackson
I think we were talking about that earlier. Do you think that Bronny will actually have the chance to develop, or you feel like people are going to pigeonhole him so much that it might get you.
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DJ Envy
He has even more of a chance to develop because his father's there. Like, that's the motivation he have, and he's seen what it takes to be great. So all that is in him already, and now he's in the facilities where you have everything here to be great. I think. I think he has everything you need, and I think he's definitely going to blossom over there.
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Matt Barnes
And I also think, too. I mean, I don't think you look at Bronnie in the same light as you look at LeBron. I just think. I think he's going to be a very solid role player. I mean, he's got a high iq, place defense, can make the right play, can shoot the ball. So I just think he needed a little bit more time to develop, and now he's developing on the biggest stage. But I think, you know, three, four years, he's going to be a very solid rotational player.
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Jess Hilarious
Does he start in the G League, or do you think there's no G League for him?
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Matt Barnes
I think he should. To me, it's about playing. You know, I play with JJ And I fuck with JJ Heavy. I think he's, you know, he's going to be on the hot seat. But I like his mentality. He's very. He teaches. He's a personable person. So for all the people say no to, like, the most important thing is getting to play. You don't learn shit from sitting on the bench and watching. So Bronnie has to play. So whether that's going to be eight to 10 minutes in the real game, or if it's going to be 30 minutes on the G League level, I think he just needs to play, and I think they'll figure that out.
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DJ Envy
You can't simulate the NBA in the G League, though. You gotta play in the NBA to understand the NBA pace and game. The D League is totally different, but.
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Matt Barnes
You just have to play, though.
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DJ Envy
Yeah. I mean, it can get you ready, but in order to be a successful, night and day. But to be successful and to make a name for yourself in the NBA, you know what I'm saying? You have to learn how to play that game, no doubt.
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Charlamagne Tha God
What would be considered success for Bronnie?
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DJ Envy
15, 14 year career, a long career in the NBA. I mean, I would say we not expecting him to score 50,000 points, you know what I'm saying? We expect him to be a star and possibly be an all star one.
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Jess Hilarious
Now I gotta ask, you know, since. Since we are in New York. New York just made a trade that sent Cat here. What were your thoughts on that trade?
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DJ Envy
Wonderful. I know y'all happy.
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Jess Hilarious
Yeah, we got a second.
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DJ Envy
I love Julius Randall, but I'll take Cat of him any day, you know, And Cat is way more durable.
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Jess Hilarious
We lose a shooter, though.
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DJ Envy
You lose, you lose a shooter. But he does way more than just shoot Cat. And then the east two, I think a big guy like that that can spread the floor on this team, I think it was good for him.
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Matt Barnes
And Embiid go at it too. Didn't they scrap one time? It's gonna be good for y'all. You know, I'm a dog. I like dogs. So obviously seeing Divincenzo and Julius Randle leave, you know, I. I kind of like, ugh. You know what I mean? Because I really.
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Jess Hilarious
That's what I meant. Shooter. When I dive in, Chenzo was the shooter.
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Matt Barnes
You know, they're trying to put something together. They put the whole. No, no.
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Jess Hilarious
I mean, he got Cat, but he.
- [19:01]
Matt Barnes
Ain'T got no spot up shooter.
- [19:02]
DJ Envy
Like, replace that.
- [19:05]
Matt Barnes
Come on, man.
- [19:06]
DJ Envy
Replace that, man. Let's not do that. Let's not do that.
- [19:08]
Matt Barnes
Hold on.
- [19:09]
DJ Envy
Let's not do that.
- [19:10]
Matt Barnes
If I'm not mistaken, he hit the most threes in Nick's history. Yeah, that's.
- [19:14]
Jess Hilarious
It helped us out last year when all of our people were injured.
- [19:17]
Matt Barnes
But yeah, now he's a very solid role player. Definitely.
- [19:19]
Charlamagne Tha God
I definitely feel bridges now.
- [19:23]
Matt Barnes
So I think Cat's really going to help this team. If he's 3 level, cat not just a staying outside and shooting jumpers all day. And I think this fan base, it won't allow some of the stuff he was doing in Minnesota where he would settle a lot because he is so skilled and talented and can score on all three levels and. And is a real, real problem. But I think sometimes he settles. But I think he's coming into a situation that's not only good for him, but you know, his fiance or his girl because, you know, she's kind of into things too. So being in this media market is going to be very beneficial for him if he attacks it the right way.
- [19:52]
DJ Envy
I feel like isn't his Family from.
- [19:54]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, he from Jersey.
- [19:55]
Matt Barnes
Jersey. Jersey.
- [19:55]
DJ Envy
Jersey.
- [19:57]
Matt Barnes
Yeah. Man. I wish both sides good luck. I'm interested to see, too, how Anthony Edwards and Julius Randle get along, because that's two dogs right there. So it's interesting to see how their chemistry works.
- [20:06]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I wanted to ask you about Jack the Malice and the Palace Doc, Right?
- [20:09]
DJ Envy
Yeah, man.
- [20:09]
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't realize how much that situation impacted y'all. You know what I mean? Because when you think, you think about it, yes, y'all could have won a chip that. That year.
- [20:18]
DJ Envy
I think that was a year for us to win the chip. If you look when the brawl happened, we probably had the second or best record in the league when that happened. And we was blowing everybody out. And I think we all knew that that was Reggie's last hoorah, you know, and we wanted to win it for him. But like you said, it wasn't the same. I missed. I missed, what, two or three All Star games. Cause of that. Jermaine was a shoo in hall of Famer around that time till that happened. And Ron was possibly the first, you know, can win defensive player and office and MVP in the same year. So all those things were working for us. And that one incident killed everything.
- [20:50]
Charlamagne Tha God
And it didn't. And it didn't bring. It didn't seem like it brought y'all together. Not all of y'all.
- [20:54]
DJ Envy
It didn't. Because everybody didn't do it for loyalty. You know what I'm saying? Everybody wasn't in that situation for loyalty. Some people was in it because they was there. You know what I mean? I actually rolled with my teammate for, you know, for being a good teammate. A lot of guys were just in there doing stuff that wasn't necessary, you know, and it cost us that season.
- [21:12]
Charlamagne Tha God
How many times did that happen to you in your life, J, where you just. I don't give a fuck. This is my guy we going at. You going to war? I'm going to war.
- [21:18]
DJ Envy
I'm loyal to a fault. I'm loyal to a fault, but you know what I'm saying? But I can sleep that way, you know what I'm saying? If we go somewhere right now. So I'm gonna be the first one to jump out there. That's just how I was taught. That's how I was raised. But, you know, as you get older, you get smarter.
- [21:29]
Charlamagne Tha God
Is that one of the things that you. You regret that season, like, how all of that played out?
- [21:32]
DJ Envy
Yeah, I regret it because, you know, I was a. Consider myself a real Good basketball player. And I missed a lot of all star games, like accolades because of that. You know, even when I had great seasons, that still was a cloud over my. Over my great playing. And it hurted Ron too, and Jermaine. So it definitely wasn't beneficial for none of us.
- [21:50]
Charlamagne Tha God
Was it tough to do that, Doc? Like just to sit there and have to relive all of that?
- [21:54]
DJ Envy
Well, I mean, it was the reason why it wasn't tough, because it was gratifying for getting some money, for talking about it. We lost so much for the one punch. Like, let me get some money back for talking about it.
- [22:05]
Charlamagne Tha God
You threw more than one punch.
- [22:07]
DJ Envy
Well, I threw two.
- [22:08]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's it?
- [22:09]
DJ Envy
Yep. See, I'm glad you said that.
- [22:12]
Matt Barnes
We can clear this up right now.
- [22:13]
Charlamagne Tha God
We cleared out a whole room.
- [22:14]
Matt Barnes
We can clear this up right now.
- [22:16]
Stephen Jackson
Well, his arms are long.
- [22:17]
DJ Envy
This why I said I shouldn't have got. Fine. When it all happened, I jumped up and went over the stance. I went six rows up, didn't hit nobody. Got to Ron. A beer was thrown in his face the second time, and that's the guy I hit. When I turned around, a guy was holding Ron, punching him. I hit him. If I was just wanting to be stupid, I could have hit everybody those six rows up. But I went to protect him. So I wasn't really on no idiot stuff, you know what I'm saying? I was just being a protector, but it just turned out to look that way. So if you look at it, I didn't. I could have hit a whole bunch of people. I didn't.
- [22:47]
Matt Barnes
Them hands didn't get as loose as they could.
- [22:50]
Charlamagne Tha God
They.
- [22:50]
DJ Envy
Nice.
- [22:51]
Charlamagne Tha God
Now, how's it been watching the evolution of marijuana in the NBA?
- [22:55]
DJ Envy
Oh, it's beautiful. I think. I think we don't get enough credit for it. Nah, for real, you know, because to be able to play in the NBA now and not get tested, like, you don't know what we went through.
- [23:02]
Matt Barnes
That was a full job.
- [23:03]
DJ Envy
We was paying people and all kind of drinking all kind of stuff.
- [23:06]
Jess Hilarious
Justice, diluting the pee, doing all kind.
- [23:08]
DJ Envy
Of stuff just to be able to smoke. So now they can, you know, do it freely. I mean, I know a lot of guys that might not talk about it publicly, but I know they appreciate, you know, being able to smoke and, and relax after the game the right way without taking all them pills and shit.
- [23:21]
Matt Barnes
I think, you know, when I retired in 17, that was one of my main focuses is being the shield for the current guys and, you know, myself and our brother, Al Harrington, Were flying out here to New York to talk to the players association and the league and just understanding the plant, study the plant until they both got, you know, people on both sides to start studying. And for, from what I heard that the NBA was really against it still. The PA was more for it, and they had to come to a common ground. And they ended up doing that, you know, obviously in the bubble when, you know, with the COVID hit and they gave the players time off and then they brought everyone back to the bubble. If they would have tested that, probably 85% of the league would have failed because guys were off, didn't know if the season was going to come or not. And a majority of the guys, you know, medicated. So, you know, I think that was a very smart move for them to go ahead and bypass it there. And then after that, it was gone. So I think I say all that to say it was tough smoke in our entire career, because every time we did it, we were risking fines or suspension. So it was a real job to smoke in the league. And now, like Jack said, just to be able to freely do it, to relax, go to sleep, focus, anti inflammatory, all the properties for it. I think I'm happy for those guys.
- [24:25]
Stephen Jackson
Were y'all trying to have the conversations then, though, like, yo, this is what. This is what's helping us. Like, you couldn't even have that conversation.
- [24:31]
Matt Barnes
Not really.
- [24:32]
DJ Envy
You can't do it.
- [24:33]
Matt Barnes
All right, yeah, the conversations needed to happen. But I think my conversation when I started talking was after the fact because it was just so, like, they didn't want to hear that. You know what I mean? It just. It was something you couldn't do, you know what I mean? So I think as. As the world progressed and we started getting, you know, research behind the positives instead of just the negatives, I think that's when the game started to change.
- [24:54]
Charlamagne Tha God
Could you physically play high? Because I'd be reading these stories about Michael. Them how they used to be drinking Budweiser and going to drop 50 before I played.
- [25:02]
DJ Envy
Not. I didn't smoke exactly for the game, but that day, early in the morning, probably, yeah, I probably did. But not going to the game, I didn't came down. But like going to the game, fresh off one. Absolutely not. Not in the NBA. You getting cooked?
- [25:13]
Matt Barnes
Yeah, I know a couple dudes that. That smoked driving into the gym. We won't say them names, but they was different. So, I mean, I could smoke, you know, a few hours before, but I wouldn't smoke on the way to the game. One, because I didn't want to smell like it around everybody. But two, it's just like depending on what you're smoking, you putting yourself out out there in the atmosphere sometimes.
- [25:31]
DJ Envy
So I was geeked up in the Western Conference finals though.
- [25:35]
Matt Barnes
Yes.
- [25:36]
DJ Envy
Lightning ass star. Yeah, it's Dallas. I was geeked up.
- [25:39]
Charlamagne Tha God
You smoked before the game?
- [25:40]
DJ Envy
I smoked right after. Shoot around like three hours before the game and I didn't go to sleep. So I was just geeked up during the game. Like certain times you don't take that nap. You loaded and I did in the west conference final because I was from Texas. I was just feeling good at the time and went to work. So it worked for me.
- [25:54]
Charlamagne Tha God
What was the process of putting this book together? Like, how did y'all choose which conversations to put in there?
- [25:59]
Matt Barnes
Shout out Dylan. We got into it obviously. Yeah, you and the company. And then Dylan just understanding, you know, where we, the caliber of guests we had and the different topics we spoke on. You know, again, there's a ton of people in this space now as far as sports, but I don't look as if it's competition. I think everyone had their own journey and their own voice and their own experiences and I think we still think with, with all the conversations we had, our conversations are still different from everybody else's. So just important, you know, family, mental health, you know, the, everything that comes along in this journey and, and you know, we've been able to transition from not just.
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DJ Envy
How are you?
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Matt Barnes
Hello.
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Peter Tilden
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Jason Alexander
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DJ Envy
That's the opening. Really?
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No really?
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Matt Barnes
Yeah, really? No really.
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Jason Alexander
It's called really no really and you can find it on the iHeartRadio app on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
- [28:37]
Matt Barnes
A sports show to just kind of a more of a culturally relevant show. You know, we're talking to the Kevin's and the Wills and the Jadas and the Jamies and, and the vp. So I just think, you know, high level conversations with high level people and you know, being able to be celebrated with that. I mean, if I'm not mistaken, we're the first podcast with the coffee table book man. So I think it's, it's, it's a tremendous opportunity. We're very thankful for it and, and, and hope that everyone checks it out.
- [29:00]
Charlamagne Tha God
I named a couple of names. I want you to tell me what y'all thought of the interviews. Don Staley.
- [29:04]
DJ Envy
Well, a lot of people don't know. That's when I've been with my favorite, my favorite female player of all time. My rookie year I wore 24 cause of Dawn Staley. People don't know that. Yeah. And when I was in New Jersey. So it was an honor to me to be able to talk to her. You know, I never met her in person so I can't wait to actually take a picture with her. But somebody I admire for a long time, that's different.
- [29:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
Like what about her? You know, I've never heard of Guyfield. A woman in basketball player influenced him like that. Like what about her influenced you?
- [29:28]
DJ Envy
Well, her whole swag like she had that rough park basketball style and she was one of the first females to to bring it like, AI, you know, she wore baggage shorts. She did it her way. She talked to talk, walk the walk. And you didn't see that from a woman in basketball growing up. And then she was at a school that was a female school that was always on tv. Their basketball games was always on tv. So that's what we seen. So that's what I seen a lot.
- [29:49]
Matt Barnes
Not same. I mean, just being a fan of her game and then how she's been able to transition and be a leader of young women and women. I'm always a big fan of that, so. So, you know, being able to get to talk to her and to me, honestly. And I'm sure you guys probably feel the same way. Like, we're fans of a majority of the people we talk to, and getting a chance to get that in depth, you know, to be able to peel back the layers and understand who they are as a person and how their upbringing brought them to be the people they are. I mean, that's always the joy and the journey of these conversations for me.
- [30:15]
Charlamagne Tha God
About the Jamie Foxx combo that happened during COVID Yeah.
- [30:19]
Matt Barnes
We laughed so hard before we even got on air, bro. It was incredible. He was funny as hell. Jamie's great. I mean, to me, Jamie's one of the most talented people this planet's ever seen. His versatility across several different fronts is amazing. On top of him just being a. A really good dude, man. So that was. That was a dope conversation.
- [30:36]
DJ Envy
You have a lot of comedians that's funny when they're doing their work. A lot of. Some of them ain't naturally funny, you know what I'm saying? Jamie just naturally running, like you said, like, 45 minutes before we even turned the camera on. Like, he was in rare form. Like, he was excited to be on the show as well. So I was. That was one of the best ones.
- [30:50]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, Jax, you've dealt with a lot of grief over the last few years. And, of course, George, Floyd, your brother, your sister. How have you been dealing with that level of grief?
- [31:01]
DJ Envy
Support system? These guys, you know, my mom and sister. It's been hard, but, you know, it's a part of life, bro. Too much is given, much is required. You know, we all go. We all. I'm not going through nothing that half of y'all haven't been through, but it gets to a point where when it's somebody like your sister and brother, like, that's different.
- [31:20]
Stephen Jackson
Yeah.
- [31:20]
DJ Envy
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's different. So I haven't been the same, but it's a day by day process.
- [31:26]
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely.
- [31:26]
DJ Envy
Thanks for asking.
- [31:27]
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely.
- [31:28]
Stephen Jackson
How did you guys know it was time to. You talk a lot about transition? That it was time to transition and lean into like, okay, the podcast, the merch, just the business side of things. Was that a switch? It probably was planned, but when did you know, like, okay, it's time to jump the fence now, man.
- [31:42]
Matt Barnes
The reason why I left the NBA, the, the. The first year of a three year deal, I happened to win a championship with Golden State, and I wasn't getting.
- [31:49]
DJ Envy
Paid two years after you got planned.
- [31:51]
Matt Barnes
I didn't. I wasn't getting a chance to see my kids, you know what I mean? So I, you know, it was kind of a perfect storm. We won a championship and I was ready to move, so I was just kind of excited. And I think sometimes how. Why athletes have a hard time transitioning because they don't get to leave on their own accord. Most of the time it's injuries or a reputation or just teams don't want to with you no more. But, you know, I was someone that just, you know, I was in the midst of a contract and I'm just like, man, you know, this was a blessing. We won. I want to. I'm missing so much time with my sons. I'm a father first, so, you know, that was my transitioning reason. And then once I transitioned, I'm like, damn, what's next? You know, I had invested well and, you know, had some things moving, but I knew I still needed to find something to do. And, you know, media came knocking for both of us and, you know, we kind of ran with it. So, I mean, Jack is the kind of guy that, you know, he trusts very few. So if you're in his trust circle, he's gonna listen to you. And when I pitched him idea, he trusted me to run with it and make it happen. And, you know, that's what I was able to do.
- [32:53]
Charlamagne Tha God
I feel like even with sports networks, y'all was before y'all time on that too. It seemed like when y'all was on there, they didn't want y'all to talk so freely. No, especially you, Jack. They didn't want you. It seemed like everybody could talk freely now, but it seemed like they didn't want you to talk free'cause we did.
- [33:06]
DJ Envy
It anyway, you know, we did it anyway, you know, shout out to woes. But I remember I was the first one to correct him on tv, you know what I'm saying? Like, people like, damn, he Correcting roles. Yeah. Cause I got Jimmy Butler right on speed dial. Y'all making stuff up. So, like, we just being who we naturally are, you know what I mean? And I think that's what kind of took over when we was on TV and we did these shows, you know, not too many basketball players come up here and speak like that. And we was just being our natural self. We wasn't acting or putting on, you know, on camera, then going off, being somebody else. We the same person on and off camera.
- [33:34]
Matt Barnes
And I think, too, a big thing was, you know, Stephen A. Smith. And whether you hate him or love him, I like Stephen A. Smith and he's been instrumental in kind of my journey. We talk often, but he was really big on Stay off the weed and used to say that shit all the time until I called him on it and he listened to me. You know, I called him out on social media after I seen it one too many times. And then I'm on First Take, you know, right at the docks, talking about weed on espn like no one had ever done that before. No athlete had ever done that before. So I think to Jack's point, it's just, you know, having real conversations. And I think people are always going to respect that. And I remember a ton of times, and, you know, I was working for Fox and ESPN at the time where, you know, there's certain. Well, this is the topic, you know. Do you want to say this? I'm like, no, I don't want to say that. You know, I don't. I wouldn't say that. I don't talk like that. This is how I'm gonna say it. You know what I mean? So, I mean, obviously I enjoyed my time in both networks and it kept my name fresh and allowed other opportunities to happen. But, you know, it's. It's a little different walking on that side of media than it is on the media side that we landed on.
- [34:31]
Charlamagne Tha God
Any of those networks. Getting it right?
- [34:33]
Matt Barnes
I think so.
- [34:34]
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
- [34:35]
Matt Barnes
I think, you know, production is getting it right. Yeah, I think, you know, I think there will always be those big engines, but I don't necessarily think you need them anymore. You know what I mean? The, the digital switch is on. The, the, the athlete driven content is on and entertainer, like everyone is experts that are now talking about it. Before, it was other people always talking about what they saw, whether it be critics in music, television, film or sports. But now you actually have the people talking about it. So again, I think there'll always be the big ESPN and Foxes and all that kind of stuff, but you don't necessarily need it anymore to get your point across, to have a platform or to go viral.
- [35:10]
Jess Hilarious
I want to ask some basketball questions before y'all get up out of here. Klay Thompson, what you think about him leaving the warriors and do you think it was time for him to go?
- [35:17]
DJ Envy
I think it's a breath of fresh air for him. I mean, some guys need that during their career, you know what I mean? You played at a certain spot for so long, it's a bad feeling about it. I ain't won the last couple years, so a lot of times they're gonna try to find somebody to blame it on. And it fell on Clay, you know what I'm saying? Which is unfortunate because he's the reason why they have a big part, why they have all those championships over there. But this is how professional sports goes. Yeah, this is how it goes. And I think it's great for him because he's landed in a spot where he can do what he do best with two of the best one on one players ever, and Kyrie and Luka, he could spot up and shoot jumpers. So I think, I think it's a great, A great situation for him because I've been in a situation where I was somewhere and I needed to go to a different team to be. To flourish and be a better player when I came to Golden State. So that's kind of the same for him.
- [36:02]
Charlamagne Tha God
Clay a Hooper a score.
- [36:03]
DJ Envy
Clay is a Hooper. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He play on both ends.
- [36:06]
Jess Hilarious
D Rose retiring.
- [36:07]
Matt Barnes
Oh, man. Hurt my soul.
- [36:09]
DJ Envy
Where's the farewell tour? Where's the, where's the. He deserves all that for me, you know what I'm saying? He's one of those guys, bro.
- [36:15]
Matt Barnes
I think, too. I mean, obviously, as great as we saw, you know, the injury slowed him down, but everything we're hearing from is he as great as a player was, he's a better person. And, you know, that's always something that's important to us. Definitely looking forward to sitting down with him one day, but I just think his impact on the game, how pure and real he was, will definitely be noted. But one of the greatest. I hate to say what ifs, because obviously he gave us a lot while he was here and was the youngest MVP of all time, but I couldn't imagine seeing him be able to stay who he was and get older and how much his game would have grown and developed. I think we missed out on something really special with that.
- [36:51]
Charlamagne Tha God
He never did all the smoke huh.
- [36:52]
Matt Barnes
Not yet.
- [36:53]
DJ Envy
But what touches to his character that I admire. He got his wife and his kid's mother to get along and co parent how they do it like they are mascots for that because they do it the right way. So salute to him for that.
- [37:04]
Charlamagne Tha God
Hoopla scorer, D. Rose.
- [37:06]
DJ Envy
He's. What is he a hoopla scorer, D. Rose. Oh, good question. D. Rose. A Hooper. I didn't seen a lot of chase down blocks. He competes on both ends. He's a Hooper.
- [37:18]
Jess Hilarious
Who's the face of the league when LeBron leaves? Who's. And Steph leaves? Who's the next face of the league? I should say.
- [37:25]
Matt Barnes
I think. I think it might be by committee. I think Anthony Edwards is gonna be.
- [37:29]
DJ Envy
One face like Braun.
- [37:30]
H
Don't think so.
- [37:31]
Matt Barnes
Nah, nah. I think it'd be by committee. I think it'll be ant. I think it could be a little bit of Jason T. Tatum. I think it could be some Luca. I think it could be some Shay Gil just Alexander Ja if he get his mind right. Victor.
- [37:42]
DJ Envy
Victor.
- [37:42]
Matt Barnes
Women. Yama. I think there's a lot of. I. I think the league is in a great place as far as just young talent, you know, like we haven't seen in a long time. But it's. It's funny you said that because I. I wish people would just appreciate the journey more. We're coming to the end of Ron and Steph and Katie and what they've done and what they've meant for this game and still all the criticism and hate they get is. Is just crazy, you know what I mean? Because one day they're going to be here, but they're not going to be in the game anymore. And people can be like, damn, I miss them. And instead they're too busy trying to criticize and talk shit about Bronnie and KD's. This and Steph can't do that. Instead of just kind of enjoying what they've been able to, you know, to bless the world with.
- [38:18]
Jess Hilarious
Wnba, what are your thoughts? This year brought a new excitement, new life. Sometimes I ain't go front. It feels better than the NBA. It's. What's your thoughts on wnba?
- [38:28]
DJ Envy
Kaitlyn and Julie. The women's game is pure, man, you know what I'm saying? They all played the right way, you know, it's refreshing to watch. It's good to see them start to get their money and get the attention that they deserve. I'm a Hooper, so I'm all for, you know, anybody that's hooping, that's putting in that work, you know what I'm saying? That's grinded all these years to get to the top. I'm happy that they're getting it just due.
- [38:50]
Matt Barnes
I think the growth of the game is tremendous. The fact that we're talking about it and seeing it on ESPN and all the highlights and we're doing a piece that I'm excited about on Andrew Reese and Kaitlyn Clark and just their dynamic that they brought to the game and the vehicle of new fans they brought. And you've heard kind of some of the good and the bad that have come with that. You know, angel spoke out on just the negativity and the racism that have come from some fans and kind of using them.
- [39:15]
Jess Hilarious
But is that normal, though? Because, you know, it seems like that's normal in the league. I'm sure that you guys have been called a million one names.
- [39:22]
Matt Barnes
Absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely.
- [39:25]
Charlamagne Tha God
You get into a fight.
- [39:27]
Matt Barnes
Utah, Boston.
- [39:29]
Charlamagne Tha God
You played in Indiana, man.
- [39:31]
DJ Envy
In Utah. Yeah, I just got into trouble in Indiana.
- [39:34]
Matt Barnes
That's back when you still had the space between your teeth.
- [39:36]
DJ Envy
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
- [39:38]
Matt Barnes
Yeah.
- [39:38]
DJ Envy
I had a dude had a cardboard cut out under the gold with me in a jail suit.
- [39:42]
Matt Barnes
Oh, no. It was funny too. We was all laughing though.
- [39:47]
DJ Envy
We signed it for him and all.
- [39:47]
Matt Barnes
Yeah, no, but I just. I think the growth of the game is tremendous. I think it's going to continue to grow. It's got new eyeballs and new sponsorship and new money and, you know, we just want to continue to celebrate them. You know, I think it's been such a, you know, a hit or miss with that, but just kind of understanding the lineage and where they are after 28 years, you know, it's arguably ahead of schedule of where the NBA was at year 28. So again, I think the impact of these new young stars have brought a lot more eyeballs and attention. I hope they continue to carry it. You know, you got juju coming down the pipeline who's a monster. So. Paige. Paige. Yeah. So I think that league is going to continue to grow and flourish and give something a lot of little girls, you know, something to look up to. You got to see it to believe it. You know what I mean? So you see that. You see Kamala running for presidency. I mean, you know, young girls are, you know, it's a great time to look up and see all the greatness ahead of them.
- [40:35]
Charlamagne Tha God
Can Ja bounce back? Y'all had a great. All the smoke with Ja Morant.
- [40:38]
Matt Barnes
Hell yeah.
- [40:38]
Charlamagne Tha God
Can he bounce back?
- [40:39]
DJ Envy
I mean, of course he can. I mean, that was the whole thing, when it happened, I was saying, like, people act like you can't make mistakes. You know what I'm saying? Like, it happens. Everybody makes mistakes. They just don't make them on a level for everybody to see. So he definitely could bounce back, and I think he will. You know, I just think it's gonna take him to make some decisions, too, about the people he's around. Because I've made the same mistake, too. That's what I'm saying. We make those mistakes because, you know, we feel, you know, we gotta keep it real and all that at one point, but you gotta get to the point where you keeping it right. You know what I'm saying? I think he's there now.
- [41:10]
Charlamagne Tha God
They don't let kids fuck up no more. Like, y'all wouldn't be waiting for them.
- [41:15]
Matt Barnes
Well, I just think, too. You gotta think when we were fucking up coming up, there wasn't cameras on us constantly. We could fuck up. I remember the stuff I was doing in ucla. I probably would've never made the NBA if I had cameras in my face. And then, you know, the early days in Golden State, where we're out every single night, drinking and smoking in every single city and fighting and doing God knows what, there was no cameras. You know what I mean? So as long as you could show up and play the game the next day, there wasn't an issue. But now, everywhere you move, whether you're filming yourself or other people are filming you, there's cameras on you. So you just got to be cognizant of that.
- [41:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's funny, because you would hear that.
- [41:45]
Matt Barnes
You'd hear, like.
- [41:45]
Charlamagne Tha God
You'd be like, man, Matt Bones. Be people up. You like Matt Barnes. Like Matt Barnes.
- [41:52]
DJ Envy
Hey, y'all don't know the same Matt. I don't know.
- [41:57]
Matt Barnes
We used to get down a little bit. That was it back in my early days.
- [42:01]
Jess Hilarious
We appreciate you guys for joining us, man. You got another one?
- [42:04]
Stephen Jackson
I did, but I forgot it. Oh, oh, oh, oh. We were talking about John Moran. What's the biggest thing that you repeat all the time to the young players when they call y'all for, like, real life advice, like a John Moran?
- [42:14]
DJ Envy
Me now is control your. Control your own narrative, right? That's my thing, you know what I'm saying? Because during your career, they can post certain things on tv, and then a lot of times, the media for the team will tell you not to reply or not give you the platform to reply to get what they saying about you correct, right? So now they're In a position where they have their phones, they have their social medias, use the right way and control your own narrative. Whatever the media try to say something about you or try to say you said something to the team or accounts or something, you can clear it all up on your page. Your own social media so they can hear from the horse's mouth. So control your own narrative.
- [42:45]
Matt Barnes
I think that's important too. And then I got 15 year old sons that are coming down the pipeline. And just for these young players to understand that they're brands already, like you are a walking brand as you speak. And, and, and to refer back to the young ladies, Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese, they had bigger brands arguably than what the WNBA was at the time they came into it. You know what I mean? So understand your brand power. And then what Jay say, I'm not a businessman, I'm a business. Like, understand that you're really a business everywhere you move and you have to just, you just have to. Unfortunately, like you said, there's nowhere room to up because there's so many cameras on you. So just understand every move you make and everything you say can affect your brand.
- [43:20]
Stephen Jackson
There was a, speaking of your, your kids, you talk a lot about your kid. There was a video last year in November that went viral of you and Derek Fisher coaching the twins together. That was a really, that video was like, I think the world was like, oh, wow, the world, Me, I was there.
- [43:36]
Matt Barnes
I'm like, hold up, I was 2015.
- [43:40]
Stephen Jackson
Everything before that, right? What was it like getting to that point where now we on the court, it's important to do it. But what was that like?
- [43:46]
Matt Barnes
But I understand that me and Fish squashed that shit the summer after it happened. Like that shit happened at the beginning of one season. And then the next summer once I found out he was around and the twins cared about him. Like, we squashed it because it wasn't about my ex and I no more. It was about trying to raise these young men. So Fish has been in the boy's life for almost half their life. You know what I mean? So we've always been. And I was real enough to sit down and have a conversation with him like, bro, I'm still playing, so you're going to see my kids more than me. I need you to teach them the ropes while I'm not around. So to me, you know, once I got over and once we talked about how I didn't agree with the move and it could have went a different way, like it wasn't about saving that. It was about harvesting. And we got to raise two young black men. So, I mean, I think he's done a great job. I tip my hat to him all the time. I mean, he's their second dad, and he, you know, I coach him in the summer during aau, and he coaches them during high school. So, I mean, when people see us, they still kind of trip out. But, like, we. Our. Our beef was for a season, wasn't even that long.
- [44:39]
Stephen Jackson
Love that for y'all.
- [44:40]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, it's easy to squash beef when you win the fight.
- [44:51]
Jess Hilarious
Matt Bow and Steven Jackson, we appreciate it.
- [44:53]
Charlamagne Tha God
Y'all got some shows, right?
- [44:55]
DJ Envy
Live show today?
- [44:56]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yep.
- [44:56]
Matt Barnes
Yeah. Yeah. Wherever this drops yet.
- [44:59]
Charlamagne Tha God
Well, Philly. So Philly. Which Philly's the wrong.
- [45:02]
Matt Barnes
So tonight's the night. So tonight is tonight in New York. The seventh in New York tonight or so they may miss it. But tonight in New York, if you're around Gramercy Theater, we got Larry, the one and only Larry Johnson. And then, yeah, in Philly, we're Wednesday night, we're with. With million dollars worth of game and a really special guest coming through with them, man. So we're excited to be on the East Coast.
- [45:21]
DJ Envy
Jim Jones, Davies, all them said they was pulling up. So I'm looking to see y'all see.
- [45:25]
Stephen Jackson
Is it gonna be AI in Philly?
- [45:27]
Matt Barnes
How'd you know we gonna see.
- [45:29]
Stephen Jackson
Is that real? That's what that's happening.
- [45:31]
Matt Barnes
We're gonna see.
- [45:31]
Charlamagne Tha God
I saw Paul.
- [45:32]
Matt Barnes
George. So Paul just. I'm guessing right now he couldn't come.
- [45:35]
Stephen Jackson
Oh, is it because I come to Philly for that?
- [45:37]
Matt Barnes
Yeah, we scrambled. Yeah, we gonna. We.
- [45:39]
DJ Envy
We.
- [45:39]
Matt Barnes
As long as we get him up on the airplane, he'll be here.
- [45:43]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's probably my favorite. The AI. All the smoke conversation is probably my favorite AI conversation.
- [45:49]
Matt Barnes
And he's different. And. And for him to like. I don't think people understand how passionate, how much he loves life and how much he loves people. You know what I mean? And we try to tell him all the time, bro, like, you gotta talk like people love you to death, and they just want to know how you are. They want to know what you think. And so we're slowly getting them to hopefully sitting down and having his own thing one day.
- [46:08]
DJ Envy
Don't know about him more than we do.
- [46:10]
Charlamagne Tha God
How Chuck is so cool. Jackie.
- [46:11]
Matt Barnes
Y'all, I play with Chuck, okay?
- [46:13]
DJ Envy
But doing so, you know, I'm just one of those guys. Like, every time I played against Chuck, when he get to the city, one of his boys will Call me and I end up in the club with him hanging out, you know what I'm saying, from city to city. And he lost a friend named Jamal a couple years ago and that passed from counseling. Me and him was real close. And during that time, you know, I stepped in, you know what I'm saying, and tried to help him out a lot. So we just became brothers during the playing time.
- [46:37]
Matt Barnes
Yeah, I was with him early in my big brother, you know, I got traded with Chris Weber out to Philly early in my early 2000s. And Chuck gave me a car right off the whip or off the rip and told me if I needed. So he was just like, this is Allen Iverson. He gave you a car to drive around. It was like one of the Mustangs. When the Mustangs first came out, the two door Mustangs, he let me push that thing for a couple months. Just. So whatever you need, bro, just let me know. I'm just like, damn.
- [46:59]
Jess Hilarious
Had the Applebee's popping.
- [47:00]
Matt Barnes
Oh, man, no. Friday used to really be popping, bros. We used to get off the plane at 2:30 in the morning. I wasn't playing, so I didn't give a fuck. But he would have limos for us to go to Atlantic City and go chill all night, you know what I mean? Have the penthouse, the Louis xiii. Like, how the fuck is all this free? I learned later that you had to give a little bit of money to the casino to get all that for, you know. But Chuck was. He was just one of them rare dudes like you said, that enjoyed life and then gave it his absolute all on that court. If people would see how he used to walk around on off days or in practice with big old elbows and hips all bruised up. And then as soon as it, you know, that popcorn starts popping about 6, 6:30, a different light turns on and he becomes an animal, man. So it was hard too.
- [47:41]
DJ Envy
He loved. That's what people don't understand. You don't get people of that caliber that loves everybody in that genuine way. That's why. That's why it's kind of weird to people.
- [47:49]
Matt Barnes
Yeah, that's right.
- [47:50]
Jess Hilarious
Salute to Bubba, Chuck.
- [47:51]
Charlamagne Tha God
That conversation is in the all the smoke coffee table book, which is out right now. All the stars, all the stories. No ap. Get it?
- [47:57]
Jess Hilarious
That's right. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
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Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
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