Best of full interview: Papoose & Claressa Shields Talk 'Bars on Wheels,' Black Love, Remy Ma, Boxing + More

Summary

The Breakfast Club: Best of Full Interview – Papoose & Claressa Shields Talk 'Bars on Wheels,' Black Love, Remy Ma, Boxing & More

Release Date: January 7, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha God, Jess Hilarious, Lauren Larose
Guests: Papoose, Claressa Shields

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Breakfast Club features a rich, candid conversation with rapper Papoose and boxing champion Claressa Shields. The duo delves into Papoose’s new hip hop project "Bars on Wheels," the state of lyricism, the cultural impact of hip hop, their respective evolutions as public figures, and the journey they've undertaken in love and personal life. They also address public speculation about Papoose's relationship with Remy Ma, explore the realities of high-profile breakups for Black couples, and shine a light on Shields' boxing journey, business moves, and upcoming fights.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Papoose Returns: Family and "Bars on Wheels"

• Reunion with the Breakfast Club: It's been a while since Papoose visited the new Breakfast Club studio, reflecting on the open-door policy he’s always had with the show. (01:04–01:12)
  • Quote: “I don't even recognize this room. Yeah, this is crazy.” – Papoose [01:13]
• Fatherhood: Celebrating his daughter’s seventh birthday at McDonald's, Papoose shares the joys of watching her grow. (01:39–01:47)
• "Bars on Wheels" Concept: The project extends his Instagram rap videos into a short film that aims to "save hip hop,” combining music and visual storytelling. (01:56–02:23)
  • Quote: “A Journey to save Hip Hop, man… I didn't want to just do it as an album. I wanted to do it as a short film and do something never done before.” – Papoose [01:58–02:23]

2. The State and Soul of Hip Hop

• Lyricism’s Place in Modern Rap:
  • Papoose asserts that pure lyricism is timeless, though he recognizes melodies and vibes are currently celebrated. (02:25–03:38)
  • Encourages authenticity: “Nobody could do you better than you… just be yourself.” (02:38)
• Younger Generation of Lyricists: Papoose gives shoutouts to emerging artists showing promise, highlighting ongoing diversity in the craft. (03:38–04:19)
  • Quote: “It's timeless, bro. It's timeless. In my opinion, it ain't going nowhere.” – Papoose [04:19]
• Society’s Criticism of Hip Hop:
  • Discussion on hip hop being scapegoated for societal ills, especially concerning violence and drugs. Papoose asserts mainstream America often blames hip hop for problems that aren’t unique to the genre and emphasizes how hip hop has created positive change. (04:51–06:42)
  • Quote: “People blame hip hop for things that actually go on in America. America has a problem with violence and all that. When hip hop was positive, I seen negativity going on.” – Papoose [05:57]
• Wealth Creation and Backlash:
  • Papoose suggests criticism is partially fueled by discomfort with Black success. (06:54–07:05)
  • Quote: “I think part of the reason why that happened is because they don't like that, you know, black billionaires and millionaires are being made out of this.” – Papoose [06:54]

3. Growth and Evolving Perspectives

• Leaving the Street Life Behind:
  • Papoose talks candidly about embracing positivity, growth, and responsibility as a Black man in the spotlight. (07:38–08:06)
  • Quote: “I love growth. I think it's very important. I embrace it. I'm all about positivity, bro.” – Papoose [07:38]
• Advice to Youth:
  • Strong message to young people idolizing the street: “Don’t do it. It’s not worth it. All y’all not gonna make it out.” (08:12–08:56)

4. Black Love, Remy Ma & Navigating Public Scrutiny

• Public Fallout:
  • Papoose addresses the “corny” atmosphere when his breakup with Remy Ma played out on social media. (09:35–09:45)
• Criticism for "Holding Down" Remy Ma:
  • Shares the initial backlash for supporting Remy during her incarceration, then how public sentiment shifted after media coverage. (10:08–10:54)
• Reality TV's Impact:
  • On appearing on Love & Hip Hop and their Black Love spinoff: While it exposed their lives to scrutiny, he says he doesn’t regret it, and is happy the audience could witness their authenticity. (11:27–12:17)
  • Quote: “I don’t regret it at all. Because it was real. It wasn’t like nothing was rehearsed, nothing was scripted.” – Papoose [12:17]
• On Oversharing and Celebrity:
  • Papoose maintains he has no issue being open, as it sets the record straight against false rumors. (12:44–13:24)
  • Quote: “I gave y’all an open book. So when someone wants to lie on me, you guys have been there all along. Y’all seen this, so that’s all you know. I embrace that.” – Papoose [13:14]
• Healthy Love in Hip Hop:
  • They discuss how public displays of love between Black couples became normalized after their example. (14:01–14:57)
  • Quote: “We need powerful black families to stick together.” – Papoose [14:01]
• Addressing Writing Remy’s Bars:
  • When asked if he wrote Remy's raps, Papoose tactfully refrains from commentary. (15:11–15:19)
  • Quote: “No comment, man. …I wish her the best, and that’s all I’m gonna say.” – Papoose [15:19]

5. On Moving Forward: Shields & Papoose as a Couple

• Clarissa Shields Joins:
  • Shields and Papoose describe being together for over a year and a half, navigating public questions about their relationship amidst the drawn-out separation and divorce process. (16:58–17:58)
  • Shields reflects on how fans struggle more than the people involved to let go of the former relationship between Pap and Remy. (20:32)
  • Quote: “It's harder for the fans that followed them to let go than it is for them." – Claressa Shields [20:32]
• Refuting Rumors:
  • Papoose firmly denies cheating allegations, emphasizing his family-oriented nature and dismissing speculation. (20:39)
  • Quote: “None of that was true, man. None of it. All of that was fugazi.” – Papoose [20:39]
• Public Relationships & Perception:
  • Shields and Papoose explain the inevitability of public scrutiny but choose not to dwell on old news—insisting they're both in a healthier, happier place. (25:42–26:02)

6. The Dynamic of Their Partnership

• Why Papoose is Different:
  • Shields explains that Papoose is the “cheat code to life,” bringing experience, support, and empathy (29:48–30:28)
  • She appreciates the lack of jealousy and the mutual professional respect as two high achievers in their fields. (30:28–31:12)
  • Quote: “He's just so supportive... it's like he's a nice guy, but he also is a guy like that you don't mess with. I hate a guy who talk like he can fight, but he can't fight... When I'm walking with Pep it's like, he my security guard... I wish the motherfucker would.” – Claressa Shields [30:33]
• Supporting Each Other’s Greatness:
  • Both speak on being fans of one another, providing genuine support without competition. (31:12–32:23)
  • Shields discusses their teamwork: “When it’s your time to have your time, that’s your time… When it’s the other person’s time, there’s nothing wrong with you taking a back seat to your person.” (32:23–32:51)

7. Shields' Boxing Career & Gender in Sport

• Open Challenge:
  • Shields describes her $100,000 open boxing challenge, making it clear you have to win to earn it! (33:34–34:12)
  • Quote: “I gotta win.” – DJ Envy [34:10] | “You gotta kick my ass!” – Claressa Shields [34:11]
• Boxing’s Shifting Landscape:
  • Shields laments influencers crowding the sport with publicity stunts. (34:30–35:12)
  • Talks upcoming eight-fight contract and absurd fight offers she’s received. (35:12–36:07)
• Fame, Confidence & Fighter’s Mentality:
  • Shields is open about her confidence, willingness to defend her rep in and out of the ring, and not backing down from challenges or criticism. (36:07–37:48)
  • Papoose commends her self-belief, saying it inspires and potentially intimidates people. (40:33–41:01)

8. Sparring, Vulnerability & Gender

• Sparring Men:
  • Shields relays stories of sparring with men, being dropped (with possible foul play with gloves), but how these experiences never deterred her. (41:17–44:23)
  • Quote: “I've sparred 95% men in my sparring… Since the time I was 11 to now I'm 30... and I accomplished more than that cheat will ever accomplish in his life.” – Claressa Shields [43:25]
• Facing Internet Trolls:
  • Shields addresses trolling, misrepresentation of her sparring video, and gendered criticism from men online. (45:02–45:23)
• “Which Men Could You Beat?”:
  • Shields answers honestly: feels she could outbox Shawn Porter and Keith Thurman—stressing skill is more important than pure power. (45:47–46:39)

9. Shields’ Upcoming Fights & Grievances

• Shields promotes her February 22 fight against Franchón Crews-Dezurn, detailing her previous fights and criticizing a rival’s self-promotion during a suspension. (46:44–48:03)
• They circle back to Papoose’s project, with Shields plugging his "Bars on Wheels." (48:23)

10. Live Freestyle & Independent Artists

• Uplifting New Voices:
  • Ermine, an up-and-coming rapper, is given an opportunity to perform a heartfelt, vulnerable freestyle on the show, drawing praise from Papoose and the hosts. (50:20–51:43)
  • Quote: “That was tough, man.” – Papoose [51:38]
  • Papoose and Ermine trade stories about coming up hungry, hustling for a chance in the industry. (52:13–52:34)

11. Bars on Wheels: Behind-the-Scenes, WIN Records

• Creating the Project:
  • Papoose highlights the collaborative energy and creative process behind "Bars on Wheels," with production from Sean 'Two Miles' and support from WIN Records. (53:17–53:41)
  • Shields teases that she leaks Papoose’s music (jokingly), showing their playful rapport. (52:44–53:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Authenticity:
  “Nobody could do you better than you… just be yourself.” – Papoose [02:38]

• On Hip Hop’s Impact:
  “How many jobs y’all wouldn’t even be sitting here if it wasn’t for hip hop, Right?” – Papoose [06:34]

• On Black Love & Public Perception:
  “When she became incarcerated, they was killing me… He’s an idiot. He's down. All this bullshit, right? I didn’t care though, because that was my real life…” – Papoose [10:08]

• On Moving Forward:
  “I've got a new queen in my life, man, and she's one of the best things that ever happened to me.” – Papoose [13:47]

• On Shields’ Self-Respect:
  “If a man with me, he with me. I don't do second place. I never have. I got two Olympic gold medals, 19 world championships. Why would I have to be second place to another woman?” – Claressa Shields [27:21]

• On Mutual Support:
  “The better he do, the better we do. The better I do, the better we do. It's a team thing. I don't know why this whole relationship thing…” – Claressa Shields [32:23]

• On Boxing Confidence:
  “I'm a 19-time world champion and I've accomplished more than that cheat will ever accomplish in his life. I'm not ashamed of that.” – Claressa Shields [43:25]

• On New Voices:
  “I used to do the same thing you was doing… When you got that hunger, you just like, yo, I wanna get on, man. You got it for real, bro.” – Papoose to Ermine [52:18]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Papoose on Hip Hop & Lyricism: 02:25–04:25
• Society’s Blame on Hip Hop: 04:51–06:54
• Black Love & Reality TV: 09:35–14:57
• Addressing Remy Ma Breakup & Rumors: 15:11–22:56
• Shields Talks Boxing & Open Challenge: 33:34–37:48
• Shields on Sparring Men: 41:17–44:23
• Live Rap by Ermine: 50:20–51:43
• Bars on Wheels, WIN Records Discussion: 53:17–53:41

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Final Notes

This episode offers a deeply personal and unapologetic look at the lives of two successful Black public figures, both unapologetically honest about the highs and lows in their family, love lives, and careers. Hip hop’s culture, the realities and challenges of being role models, their insights on the music and sports industries, and the constant balancing act between public and private life are all explored, making for a compelling listen for fans of either host or guest.

Transcript

[Host 1]

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[Clarissa Shields]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Papoose]

You are finished or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lauren laros is here as well. And we got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Papoose. Papoose.

[Papoose]

Peace.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's up, brother?

[DJ Envy]

How you feeling, man?

[Papoose]

I'm maintaining. Can't complain, man.

[DJ Envy]

See you up here in a long time.

[Papoose]

Which is been.

[Clarissa Shields]

Wow.

[Papoose]

I don't even recognize this room. Yeah, this is crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Papoose was the. The artist that usually didn't call, but always came up and said he had a record.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He got open door policy.

[DJ Envy]

He had open door policy all the time.

[Papoose]

That's a fact, man.

[DJ Envy]

And I think since we moved studios, Papa didn't know where we were. Cause we ain't seen him in a long time.

[Papoose]

Nah, that's a fact. Actually, I think it was before you came aboard for Lauren McCain.

[Ermine]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

How's everything going, though?

[Papoose]

Everything is great, man.

[DJ Envy]

I see you just celebrated your daughter's birthday the other day.

[Papoose]

Yeah, I did.

[DJ Envy]

McDonald's party.

[Papoose]

Yeah. She turned seven years old.

[DJ Envy]

That's nice, man.

[Papoose]

Beautiful thing, man.

[DJ Envy]

Enjoy. They get big fast.

[Papoose]

Happened so fast, man. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, it's a blessing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I feel like you. You should have been did Bars on Wheels. Oh, really?

[Papoose]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. That's a fact. That's a fact.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What is Bars on Wheels, first of all?

[Papoose]

Yeah, so Bars on Wheels. A Journey to save Hip Hop, man. It's me Basically taking what I was doing on Instagram to the next level, though. I mean, so sometimes when I post the videos of me driving in the car rapping, some people go in the comments and they'd be like, okay, but where's he going? So I'm like, you know what? See, there you go. So I'm on a journey to save hip hop, know what I'm saying? So that's. That's the name of the project, man. And I didn't want to just do it as an album. I wanted to do it as a short film and just do something that was never done before.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, you've always prided yourself on just being a pure lyricist. And, you know, everybody likes to do the melodies and the vibes more than the bars. What do you think lyric first rappers need to do to stay culturally relevant without compromising the craft?

[Papoose]

I think just be. Be themselves, man. I think nobody could do you better than you, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're the only one with your DNA, and you got to utilize that. Sometimes people try to go outside of themselves and you cheating yourself because you could have just been yourself, and you never know what the outcome could be. So the answer to the question is just be yourself, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So when you. When you write today, are you just trying to out rap everybody, or are you just more focused on saying something meaningful? Because you've always said meaningful things in your lives too?

[Papoose]

Nah, man, it's just I study the crap. I practice my craft so long that it comes out like that. Pause. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to outrap nobody. It happens naturally, you know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

To be honest, is there a lane for that now? What you mean lyricism in rap?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Always.

[Papoose]

It's timeless.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, so who would you say that you look at that now and says, okay, I see what they're doing? Because before you would see an artist like a Nas, a Jay, and you could say a Kendrick or Drake. But in the new generation, who do you see that's like, oh, he's that. And can still make hits and still do the same thing, right?

[Papoose]

Well, it's a kid out of Staten Island. I never can remember his name, man. Every time I'm in front of a camera, they ask me who I like, and this is dope as hell. But nobody don't talk about him. But I'm gonna get his name. This that kid. I like. I like a couple of the. The young artists I like. I like what you call it, man, I like the girl. What's the girl name that be rapping that you. That you'll be playing sometimes? No, the other one, she dope as hell, I think. Mellow Brook, Mellow Brooke.

[Ermine]

Yeah, yeah.

[Papoose]

I like her energy. I. I like. What's the kid out of New York name? Man, I can't remember their names, but I like a couple different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's a bunch of lyricists. Reuben Vincent, you know, Marco, plus Chris Patrick. Like, these dudes can really, really rap.

[Papoose]

I mean, like I said, it's timeless, bro. It's timeless. In my opinion, it ain't going nowhere.

[Host 1]

Now, I know the project is all about saving hip hop, but at the end of your visual, you basically flip it where it's like, you can't save hip hop. And one of the things that you show without giving too much of it is the conversation around, like, you know, the drugs and things that infiltrated the culture. So first of all, I guess, you know, obvious question is, why would you. Why include that? And then second question to that is, if we can't save hip hop, then what's your real mission? Like, how are you?

[Papoose]

So, you know, I think that played a major part to the demise about a culture of our hip hop. You know, rest in peace to guys like Mac Miller, young artists who just dying from drug overdose. I think all of those things, man, where they glorified using drugs and you got kids, Odin on it. So I just wanted to shine a light on that and create awareness to talk about it. And as far as at the ending when I said, you know, can't save them, you know, you got to watch part two to see the. Continue to get the conclusion of that. But that's how I feel sometimes, man. Like when I'm. When I say I'm on a journey to save hip hop, I'm a part of the culture. Like, I live this for real. So anytime I step in front of the microphone, that's my goal, to elevate the game. But it feels helpless sometimes, man. You know what I'm saying? So how do.

[DJ Envy]

How do we change that, right? Because of course, hip hop took a turn, right? Where the sellers became the users and that whole thing. But it was still a place where there was negativity in hip hop which kind of hurt hip hop, right? Didn't have to be OD and brothers getting to jail, but I felt like there is a strong line of negative and positive when it comes to it. You feel like that positive is not being heard anymore.

[Papoose]

Um, nah, it's not even that. I just feel like, you know, I feel like negative and positive exists in life, period. Sometimes people put too much on hip hop. Like, they gotta stop. And if a cat gets. If a cat gets stuck in the tree. All these rappers rapping about cats getting stuck in the trees. This is why this happening, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like people blame hip hop for things that actually go on in America. America has a problem with violence and all that. When hip hop was positive, I seen negativity going on. So I don't blame hip hop for those things, actually. I feel like hip hop saved a lot of lives. You know, I'm saying, you know, how many jobs y' all wouldn't even be sitting here if it wasn't for hip hop, Right?

[Ermine]

That's right.

[Papoose]

So when people like to blame hip hop for negative things, you know, I don't. I don't look at it like that. I look at it like we have those issues living in this country, period.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw Robin Roberts ask 50 that about the Diddy doc. She was like, is this an indictment of hip hop or something? Like what hip hop got to do with nothing?

[Papoose]

Right, right. Yeah. See, they always dragging hip, if you notice that.

[DJ Envy]

And I think no other genre.

[Papoose]

No, I. I think part of the reason why that happened is because they don't like that, you know, black billionaires and millionaires are being made out of this. So I think while we got our own kind putting hip hop down so much, they need to be aware of that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How has your perspective on the streets changed, Pap, now that you're, you know, older and just more reflective, you know, as soon as you walked in and be wanting to remind you of when you used to put hands on people.

[DJ Envy]

You know, I didn't say it like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You did say it. No, no.

[Papoose]

What was your question on the streets changed. Oh, when you say streets change, what you mean, though?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just. In just being. Just being an older person, you can reflect on, you know, how things used to be, things we used to glorify.

[Papoose]

That's a fact. That's a fact. Yeah. I respect it, man. I respect. And I love growth. I think it's very important I embrace it. I'm all about positivity, bro. You know what I'm saying? If you look at me, you know, I mean, you see me like envy. Said I got my history, but when they really put the light on me, I said, what black love. Something positive, man. I don't wear that. The street on my sleeve. I don't need to. You know, I'm saying I always showcase my talent. You know, I mean, and something positive about uplifting our people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So. So if you could speak to these young men who idolize discreet life, what would you tell them about the real cost of that?

[Papoose]

Yeah, I would say don't. Don't do it. It's not worth it. You know what I'm saying? What I always tell my young brothers who I see in the street, and I always try to point this out to them. You know, look at you. Look at. Look around at your crew. And I got to be honest with them all. Y' all not gonna make it out. You know, how many. You know how many individuals I grew up with when I was younger? They're not here no more. I'm sure you got homies like that. They, like, they literally lost their lives. And at the time when y' all was together, y' all was hanging out, y' all was running in the street. You never thought that they would be gone. So I always tell them, you'll look around. Some one of y' all or two or maybe three, y' all not gonna make it. It might be you. So if you think that's worth it, continue in the street, but it's not worth it, bro. So, you know, get out of that.

[Host 1]

You mentioned black love earlier. I know Clarissa's here as well, but I wanted to go back to that time period. I wanted to go back to that time period because I feel like for the longest time prior to your relationship now, you and Remy were like the emblem of, like, black love positivity. And then everything just switched publicly. And I know you talk about even in hip hop, like, you know how things are thrown on hip hop and thrown on us negative, negatively. When that moment was happening publicly with you and Remy, what was Papu's feeling? Because it was so positive for so long, and it kind of just changed everything. What were you feeling as everything started to, you know, happen online?

[Papoose]

It was corny. It was corny. It's always corny to do social media. I'm saying, who wants that? Who wants to be a part of the circus? So I just felt like it was corny.

[DJ Envy]

You got attacked for black love early on for shadow relationships.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, you did.

[Papoose]

Somebody said it.

[DJ Envy]

No, you did.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

No, we used to have conversations about.

[Papoose]

What love and why we show love.

[DJ Envy]

And we had, you know, behind the scenes conversation. But you got attacked for it. When you got attacked for it, why did you think you got attacked for showing and expressing love to the Individual you were with. Like, why do you think that happened and why you keep going?

[Papoose]

It's a couple different things. So initially, when she became incarcerated, they was killing me. They was like, yo, he holding her down. He's an idiot. He's down. All this bullshit, right? I didn't care, though, because that's. That was my real life at the time. And then as it progressed, one time, double XL had reached out to me, and it was like, yo, we want to follow you one day and document your journey. Like, what's going on with you? And they followed me to the supermarket. I went and got groceries for her, you know what I'm saying? Then I went on the visit, brought the groceries. They sat on a visit with me, and they put out that article. When they put out that article, it kind of changed. The outlook kind of changed. For a hot second, everybody was like, wow. They couldn't believe it, and it was cool. I kept going. But what you kind of talking about is when we did unloving hip hop.

[DJ Envy]

That'S when you think the change happened.

[Papoose]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you had mixed. It was mixed, you know what I'm saying? Like, the women were embracing it. But I go through the toll booth and I go get a dude my money. Cause they ain't have the easy pass back, right? And he'd be like, oh, man, you fucking up my household, man. My woman told me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

By being a good.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[Papoose]

My woman told me I need to be more like you. Here's your change. You know what I'm saying? So the dudes was always hating, but the women, older women, all different age groups, they. They always embraced it.

[Host 1]

And then you did your. Your own spin off, the black love spin off, which you guys had more creative control over at the time, right?

[Papoose]

Yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

Why?

[Host 1]

So if you felt like kind of the tide was changing when you guys got on reality tv, why was it important for you to do that, like, second installment?

[Papoose]

Because, you know, the opportunity was there to show more of us. You know, when you're in love and hip hop, you just got like a segment, you know, I'm saying. So it was just that. And people wanted to see more of us at that time. So we was like, all right, cool, let's do it. I think we did the holiday special first, and then on it went from there. But going back to what you were saying earlier, like, when I first shot it, I was like, oh, they about to kill me, man, when this come out. Because people never saw that side of me, you know what I'm saying? But it was surprisingly, people embraced it. I think the world was tired of seeing our culture getting put down, drinks getting thrown on each other, and just the bad stigma on our relationships. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

Do you ever regret it at all, putting that much of your life on camera?

[Papoose]

I don't. I don't regret it at all. Because it was real. It wasn't like nothing was rehearsed, nothing was scripted. People just saw what was going on at that time.

[DJ Envy]

But, you know, the thing with it is like, I get it, but now people are so dialed into your life, so now there is no moment where it's like, hold on, let me figure this out. Because now they're like, nah, you showed me this. You showed me the baby, you showed me the one year old party. You showed me the details. You showed me this.

[Papoose]

I love that.

[DJ Envy]

But then when it's like when you say, you know what, I need to take a break, they're like, nah, you.

[Papoose]

Can'T take a break. Oh, no, no. I love it. I'll tell you why. See, this is what happens with celebrities. And I kind of said this before, when it's all good, right? When y' all buying into our careers, Y' all watching the TV show, y' all coming to, the performances, the appearances, the walkthroughs. You know, I bring you in the room when my daughter is born, you come to the wedding, you see everything, right? Okay. And then as soon as something happened with these celebrities, what's the first thing they say? Y' all don't know me like that.

[DJ Envy]

I want my space.

[Papoose]

Y' all don't know what's going on in my life.

[Clarissa Shields]

Correct.

[Papoose]

So I'm glad that I gave y' all an open book. So when someone wants to lie on me, you guys have been there all along. Y' all seen this, so that's all you know. I mean, I. I embrace that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How much is too much to tell?

[Papoose]

We signed up for this, bro. We sign up for. You can't. You can't want people to. You can't open the door to your life and then want to close it when you. When you done did some bullshit. And you don't want nobody to know what's really going on. So that's what's happening with these celebrities. But I'll tell you this, though. I got a new queen in my life, man, and she's one of the best things that ever happened to me.

[DJ Envy]

I think we know her.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think hip hop does enough to model healthy love and accountability between men and women. What you mean just in general? Like, do you think we show enough of those type of healthy relationships?

[Papoose]

No, I think, honestly. And I don't want to do the Soulja Boy, but I think after we did it, it became cool. I feel like people were ashamed to show love to their significant other. They was hiding. And then once, you know, our situation transpired, everybody wanted to be in public with a significant other, which is a good thing. And I was proud of that because we need powerful black families to stick together.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To your point, though, you know, that that was a thing. Like, they would literally be like, don't tell nobody you got a girlfriend. That was an industry thing.

[Papoose]

I see where you going. Like, even when you. When you're especially a major label, you had to seem available. Why y' all don't want them to know we got the family structure, you know what I'm saying? So I think it was always cool to hide that. And rappers were scared to death to show it because they don't want the side chick to know that they got a wife at home. So they, you know. But like I said, it became cool after that, after us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think that hurt hip hop, too, because it didn't allow people to grow and tell their real stories.

[Papoose]

You couldn't be who you. Who you really were, right? Even me, I kept it a buck with y'. All. When I. When we. When they first showed it and they showed the. I said, they about to kill me. You know what I'm saying? But it didn't happen like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, there was one thing that came out of that, and you said you wrote 90% of Remy's raps, including Conceited. Was that true?

[Papoose]

No comment, man. You know what I'm saying? I wish her the best, and that's all I'm gonna say, you know what I'm saying? Like I said earlier, I never wanted to be a part of that. But sometimes your hand is forced, you know what I'm saying? And you gotta do what you gotta do. But I wish her the best, man. You know? I mean, I got an amazing best friend in my life right now, and we happy, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you pull up a chair for somebody? Pull up a chair, man. Pull up a chair.

[DJ Envy]

Somebody said, you know, that was a repressing media. It was a hard time because we know y'.

[Clarissa Shields]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You know, I mean, so it's like.

[Papoose]

No, but y' all know us. But sometimes people pretend like they don't know us. That's what get on my nerves, I think from.

[Host 1]

For Most people like, what happened.

[Papoose]

Like, I mean, like I said, y' all was there every step of the way. I was there. When I was riding up there to the prison, y' all see me fighting court officers getting thrown out of the courtroom. It was. It was in the newspapers. You know, I'm saying, y' all seen everything. How can I come to y' all and say something didn't happen? Y' all gotta stop, man. Like, come on. So that's.

[DJ Envy]

I think, during that time. Well, I know for myself, I just wanted y' all to fix it because I've known y' all so long and not fix the relationship, just the friendship, the parenting. Just fix that part. That's what. That's. That was the most important thing, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

That takes time. Like, it's. It's a divorce. It's not something that just happens overnight. You know what I'm saying? But people. Life don't stop because of that. You know what I mean? It's papers. It's. It's time. It's all this stuff that got to happen. But at the end of the day, we move forward with our lives.

[Papoose]

Like, I wish. Like I said, I wish you the best. We got some great, amazing things going on. Like I said, this my best friend right here, man. We. We living our life.

[Clarissa Shields]

We've been together over a year and a half now. It'll be two years next year in September. We. At the end of the year. Some of this stuff is just so old, you know, it's so old to talk about, to bring up, to keep harping on it. It's like they're separated. She got somebody, too. Like, don't act like you're just over here. Like, she's happy, we're happy, and that's it. Like, I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

Is it cordial? Is it cordial? Are you just like, nah, I'm just. It is what it is.

[Papoose]

I'm always cultural, bro. I'm called you with everybody. Like, come on, bro. I'm not problematic, man. You know, Y' all know this stuff, man. Yeah, we've evolved. Can I ask you a question, man?

[Ermine]

You've evolved.

[Papoose]

Let me just go out and say, why would something happen? Y' all act like, I don't know. People like. Like Envy. I know Envy like cars. Envy got dogs. He's a dj. He from Queens. So when somebody come over here and say, I saw Envy doing XY. I've been watching this 20 something years. I never heard that next to his name. Like, certain things, they can't Put on your jacket. You know what I'm saying? I know Charlemagne. He speaks about mental health. You know, I mean, he's into different things. He's into his relationship with his wife. So certain, like, if I've been watching this man 15 years, like, certain things I might hear. Charlamagne did that man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A rap.

[Papoose]

If a nigga tell me a nigga was up here rapping and Charlamagne told the N to his face, you whack.

[Clarissa Shields]

But I think that's.

[Papoose]

I'm going say he did that.

[Clarissa Shields]

You can't hold.

[Papoose]

Let me finish. You can't just come with some shit left field that I never heard in 20 years of me following this man. Career since he was on Wendy Williams, right? Nah, that. That don't go with him.

[DJ Envy]

Rumor Papu's punching somebody in the face.

[Clarissa Shields]

I believe. I seen why you keep doing that to Pat. I've seen.

[Host 1]

Wait, Papoose, like, to your point. And, Champ, I know you mentioned, like, it's old, but I think the reason why people bring it back up is because we saw so much and we knew you. And then when everything happened, there's claims of, like, you cheating and, like, all.

[Papoose]

These things, but that's what I'm saying. So, like, if it's a new artist, I get it. We don't know him. All these years, incarcerated or that shit never been on my name ever.

[Clarissa Shields]

You can't just ask.

[Papoose]

Yeah, I was out here with me. I was coming to the old school.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm gonna tell you something. That is a good point that Pat making, because, come on, all them years she was incarcerated, we never heard about in the street.

[Papoose]

All of a sudden, boom, out of nowhere, an asteroid hit. Like, come on, man.

[Host 1]

So that didn't happen because she said she had, like, got into it with somebody over some allegations.

[Papoose]

And like I said, man, I wish her the best, man. Me speaking about that, it goes into, like, a whole. And I ain't here to do that. You know what I mean?

[Host 1]

And, Clarissa, I know on your side of it, like, people always, like, push back because it's like, he's still married and he's this and he's that. You're like, they're separated. We're happy for you trying to move forward in this new relationship. Like, how tough is that when that conversation comes up for you?

[Clarissa Shields]

I don't know why they act like people don't get divorced. It's the craziest thing to me. Like, everything, the. The most thing that happens in life, people act like we don't we don't understand is breakups and relationships. You can never. You're never gonna break up with your family because of your blood. You got to deal with them. Your mama, your daddy, your crazy sister, your outrageous cousin. But when it comes to relationship that breaks up all the time, marriages in all the time, divorces happen. I don't know why. It's like, oh, divorce is. Is impossible. When they don't. When it's divorce file public, whatever the heck that was. It's like. And we're together all the time, every single day. EBONY Awards, fights, walkouts at home, cooking. Like, I don't. I don't know. It just. Maybe it's just.

[Host 1]

It's.

[Clarissa Shields]

It's actually this. It's harder for the fans that followed them to let go than it is for. For them. I. I feel like.

[Papoose]

I will say this, though. I will say this because I don't think this is wrong towards anybody. I will say this. None of that was true, man. None of it. All of that was fugazi. I come from a big family. Like, if you. If you really follow me and you're not just around for the gossip, you see my daughter, you see my sisters, you see my mother, you see so many beautiful women in my life who love me to death. I mean, not only because I was there for them when they need me. I fought all they battles. I don't just do it for the person that I'm with. I do this for my children. I've had to put hands on my daughter's boyfriends to protect them. I'm being honest. I'm a protector, bro, and a provider. So anything outside of that, it doesn't. It doesn't go with me. You know what I'm saying? It's very impossible. My grandmother has 17 kids, man. So I got over 90 cousins, a very big family. And my family looked to me for those things I'm saying as a provider and a supporter and all of that. So it's hard to put that on. It's like it doesn't go.

[DJ Envy]

But I think the main thing. I think it doesn't add up when the fans follow your life. And like you said, we don't know what goes on. We only know what we see. And then all of a sudden, on Tuesday, we start seeing these tweets and these Instagram posts we like, what the.

[Papoose]

But that's not how it happened, though. See, that's what I'm. That's another part of what I've seen. I know, but you said it earlier, right? You said, yo, Pat, put hands on somebody. Right? Y' all seen all of this shit happen right in front of y' all face.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. And you rapping about it.

[Papoose]

None of this was said when. That's all this was going on. See that? Y' all making me get into this shit. I don't want to do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got the green.

[Host 1]

I'm trying to figure out clarity because, like, there's, like, so many questions because it's, like, day. Literally, you just wake up and then, boom, we're in. We're in.

[Papoose]

But that's not what happened, though. I don't know why y' all starting it from there.

[Host 1]

Okay, so let's back up, cuz. What you're referring to is the allegations that she was cheating.

[Papoose]

I don't. I don't even want to. Like I said, I wish her the best. I got nothing bad to say about her.

[Clarissa Shields]

But that's not where Let.

[Papoose]

Let me make that.

[Host 1]

That's not where it started.

[Papoose]

I think y. Y' all just want to get amnesia. I don't know.

[Clarissa Shields]

Come on. Everybody knows. Was that before I came into the picture, it. Now it's just these two in the picture. Y' all know where it started. It had. I had nothing to do with anything as far as in. When me and him got together, he was. He was already separated. So y' all know what happened before that.

[Host 1]

So what. What I'm.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got the green. I beat rappers up for God.

[Papoose]

Green Available all digital platforms out now.

[Clarissa Shields]

Get, man get bars on wheel, Dr. Save Hip Hop on.

[Papoose]

You trying to tell me that when those. When the day she referring to. You trying to tell me that's the first day you heard about this?

[Clarissa Shields]

You ain't see.

[DJ Envy]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Papoose]

Hold on a second. You ain't see everything that was going on for a whole year before that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The battle, the whole.

[DJ Envy]

I'm gonna tell you why.

[Papoose]

Why y' all only want to start.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was trying.

[Host 1]

And you said you didn't want to go there.

[Papoose]

No, but it's very confusing because I didn't even know her when all that was going on.

[DJ Envy]

No, before. Before Clarissa was in the picture, you hear rumors, but then when you look at your lives, you don't see any. You don't see any turbulence. Turbulence. So it's not like you see anything or you hear anything. You know, I held it down. Even when I heard rumors, I would reach out to Joe just like, yo, just checking on and making sure that. Just checking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Them good.

[DJ Envy]

He was like, bro, they good. So I Didn't hear him too. But so you know with rumors. Because they say rumors all the time. I mean, the rumors. Charlamagne gay. We know he not.

[Papoose]

Well, I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

But there's rumors all the time moving around. So it's like when you didn't. Y' all didn't confirm or deny. I'm like, all right, cool. And then when that day happened, on the tweets, it still was like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But before the tweets, before we heard that Pat put hands on the guy.

[Host 1]

In the battle rap.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We heard that, yes.

[Host 1]

And even that, I tried to figure that out. I reached out to certain people that was facilitating things, and no one would comment on it. So we can't. It's like, what do we speak to? And that's why now you're here and we're asking you, like, okay, so what was before that? Because there were allegations that she was dealing with the black. Easy. The black captain guy. Prior to us seeing them together, whatever the situation is now with them. Was that what was happening?

[Papoose]

I mean, you said it yourself. You heard that, you saw the allegations. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not here to bash up man or say anything about it.

[Clarissa Shields]

He not the type to talk. Pap. Don't do a lot of talking. Like, I got a way bigger mouth than him. Okay. I mean, like, pause. No, whatever you want to say. Whatever how you want to put it, but he's not like that. Like, he's. He's really like, about, like, family and friendship and fixing things. Like, he's. He's really about that. You know what I'm saying? Like, us as women. Well, women, yeah. We will tell it all because. Because I love the truth. You know what I'm saying? I put the truth out there. And the thing is, like, when I come to the truth, it's like he likes to keep his stuff and handle his stuff privately, you know what I'm saying? And. And respect this stuff. And he's always going to be like that, you know what I'm saying? He's not ever going to change. Even now, like, this whole conversation is like, y' all getting a lot out of him because he don't do this. He don't. Because he's moved so forward. We're, like, just so happy. And he just. Whatever happened, happened. We all know that you go through things through it. We all been through a breakup before. You may not been through a divorce, but you've been through a breakup. Been with my for a long time. You Got to go with your own stuff. He's healed, he's moved on, and he just in a better place. So it's just like, with that, when people put stuff on your name, like, oh, you want to defend it, but even him, he don't even want to defend it because he, like, he is who he is.

[Papoose]

Yeah. I mean, you know, like I said, who wants to be a part of the circus, man?

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah. Nobody. Nobody.

[Papoose]

When you ever saw us doing that? Never happened before.

[Clarissa Shields]

I had a movie coming out. I definitely didn't want to be a part of it. My movie dropped just a couple days on Christmas, Christmas Day. I was like, oh, that was. I'm like, oh, my. I was losing my mind. I'm like, what is going on here? So even me, I'm like, let me just get far away from this as possible. But I'm still with him. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So now I hit Clarissa, like, promote that movie.

[Clarissa Shields]

But it's like, you know, okay, all right, boom. I'm in a different. I'm in a different tax bracket than that to have to use that to promote my movie. My movie did well. It's still doing well. It's up on Prime Video if you haven't seen it, the Fire Inside. But I don't want my name connected to stuff like that. I never have before. This thing with him, you never seen. You might see me into a couple of beefs online with a couple fighters and stuff like that, but you never seen nothing about, like, relationship, being with a dude who got somebody. You never seen that. I'm not type of woman. If a man with me, he with me. I don't do second place. I never have. I got two Olympic gold medals, 19 world championships. Why would I have to be second place to. To another woman for, like, what do I look like? You know what I'm saying? So, hey, look, that's my thing of.

[Papoose]

Like, bars on wheels. A journey to save Hip hop. Out now. Produced by my brother Sean. Two miles, by the way. He did the whole project.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What is win? What is when? Is when a record label? Is it a sports agency?

[Papoose]

When records is a record label. And we do a lot of great things, man. Actually, we've been doing a lot of concerts, so. A lot of concerts you see with a lot of your favorite rappers. You might not know it, but it's by Wind Records. We got some amazing artists. Shout out to Khadijah, the whole family. My brother, Big Rube. And recently, we just did the big deal with Clarissa. You Know what I'm saying? Along with Salita promotion. So we're doing a lot of big.

[DJ Envy]

Things I want to ask. You know, you talk about it before. That papoose is different than anybody you ever dated before.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

What makes him different?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Anything that you've seen before, as far as himself, what did you see different that you didn't see?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me show you a picture. It's gonna be your fault. Pause.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not talking about physically.

[Clarissa Shields]

That's crazy. It just, he's like, he's like the cheat code to life almost. You know what I'm saying? It's like he been at the top. He signed big deals. You know what I'm saying he's had kids, he's. He's done the whole thing. And then it's like when it comes to our relationship, it's just like he's already know what to do and. And he know how to deal with me. I'm not easy to deal with. And I. And I can say that because I. I seclude myself from like friends and family and everybody. Just keep everybody away from me. Because where I'm trying to go in my life is so big. It's like anybody getting my way, even a little bit, I'm like a dog. I bite your head off. He knows how to keep me calm.

[DJ Envy]

It's the first time you haven't seen jealousy in a relationship because you are a star. You are a world champion.

[Clarissa Shields]

I have seen jealousy in a lot of my relationships, but. But not. But not here. It's probably because he both pisces his birthday, March 5th, my March 17th. But it's like, he's just so supportive. I like that he's a nice guy, but he also is a guy like that you don't mess with. I hate a guy who talk like he can fight, but he can't fight. Like, he can rap, but he also too can put you on your ass if you need to. I don't gotta. I don't gotta. Whenever I'm. When I'm walking with, Pep is like, he my security guard. You know what I'm saying? I just be chilling. I wish the motherfucker would.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think both of y', all, you know, dominate in disciplines, right, that demand extra focus. Like, you need to be extra focused.

[Clarissa Shields]

For what you do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got extra focus for what you do. How do you support each other's greatness without competing for space?

[Papoose]

Naturally, man, naturally. I've been a fan of her before I even met her. Like, I'm a big boxing fan. So when I met her, I was like, oh, shit, that's Clarissa Shields. So the fan, to be honest with you, like, the fan in me is like, damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Papoose]

I gotta make sure I can help and add on. Cause, you know, dealing with knowledge itself, we always. You gotta add on, yo. I need to add on in many ways as I can. But then when I'm able to meet her and fall in love with it, it's like a whole different level of Karen and concern. So I naturally want to see her win. And I feel like it's the same vice versa.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, I'm like a little assistant. You know, when he was shooting his video the Bars on Wheels, I Brought him food, you know, I helped him change it to his police outfit. I'm getting behind the scenes footage. I'm Jackson. Maybe you need anything. I'm more of like, people got to understand when, like come to relationship, when it's your time to have your. Like to have your time, that's your time. And when it's the other person's time, is nothing wrong with you taking a back seat to your person? Because like, you really right there, you like you beside them anyway. But it's like, the better he do, the better we do. The better I do, the better we do.

[Papoose]

It's.

[Clarissa Shields]

It's a team thing. I don't know why this whole relationship thing, I, I get it. You know, women want to be pampered, all this stuff like that. But I'm in a lane in the field in boxing where I've always taken care of myself. When I say taking care of myself, get my hair done, get my nails done, buying myself the clothes I want. You know, I've always been a lane like that. I'm happy that now he do a lot of it right. But it's still like, I'm still gonna take care of, take. I'm still gonna take care of myself. And I require what I require. So it's like, oh, if he don't get my nails done, I'm not getting my nails done. Like, what type of crap is that? Like, I've always had my own and he got his own. And together we just like, just feed off of each other. Like when he goes to the studio, he may be going to the studio for him, but I'm sitting back there, I'm watching him, I'm like, well, I'm trying to. I'm doing my little rapping stuff too. So I'm learning. And then I'm like, hey, I gotta be. When you get done with that one, let me go in here and do this one. And it's like, some of the stuff I do is good. And then some stuff he just was like, it's cool to have that, you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Know what I'm saying?

[Clarissa Shields]

And we do so much together. Like, he hit the pads. Like, y' all always seem holding the pass to me, but that's because he don't want y' all to see what he really working with. Why, why he hit the pads now?

[DJ Envy]

I gotta ask. No disrespect, Pat, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

Oh, here you go.

[DJ Envy]

You issued a hundred thousand dollar open challenge in December.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Christmas time.

[Clarissa Shields]

Years ago. Years ago too.

[DJ Envy]

How many rounds I gotta make it out around with you to get a hundred thousand. I got six kids. So how many rounds? I gotta make it out.

[Papoose]

She said, you gotta win.

[Clarissa Shields]

I gotta win.

[Papoose]

That's crazy, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

Go ahead.

[DJ Envy]

I thought I could run a couple rounds.

[Clarissa Shields]

It was like these girls, like, well, how much do I get if I don't get knocked out? How much do I get if, you know, I do. Okay. It's like we giving out participation awards now. I didn't know we did.

[DJ Envy]

So I gotta win.

[Clarissa Shields]

You got to kick my ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I hate, Clarissa? I hate how people disrespect the science of boxing.

[Clarissa Shields]

They stupid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, you don't play boxing. Like, you don't just get in that ring with somebody. You can die. Yep.

[Papoose]

That's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what's going to happen tomorrow night. Anthony, Joshua, Jake, Paul. Like, that really should not. All jokes aside, that should not happen.

[Clarissa Shields]

You know, but boxing is in a weird space. Like, boxing is in the space right now that if Lauren woke up tomorrow was like, I want to fight Clarissa. They'd be like, let's do a pay per view. Let's do it.

[Papoose]

Like boxing, the popularity contest, it was about the sweet science, like you said before.

[Host 1]

What's the craziest? Like, because you announced that you got to do the four fights for $80 million, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

Eight.

[Host 1]

Eight fights.

[Clarissa Shields]

I like. I like when you mess up and say 87. I always do it. We speaking into. I know.

[Host 1]

Last time I did it, she was like, girl, it's 8. $8 million.

[Clarissa Shields]

Right.

[Host 1]

So what's the craziest? Like, hey, I think I'm interested in doing this fight with Clarissa. I saw that she has some fights that she got to get out the way offer that you've had come your way. Like, who's the most random person that we'd never think of?

[Clarissa Shields]

It's like a boxer don't even got.

[Host 1]

To be a boxer because now it's influencers getting in the ring.

[Clarissa Shields]

Oh. I don't get crazy calls like that. Like, people really don't want to get in there with me. For real.

[DJ Envy]

I don't play with her.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, no, no.

[Host 1]

I saw some of the Zeus girls trying to, you know, not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They want to die.

[Clarissa Shields]

You want to get trained.

[Host 1]

Okay.

[Clarissa Shields]

Because I thought he wants to get trained.

[Papoose]

Oh, trained.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Clarissa Shields]

Who, which.

[Host 1]

Which girl?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was it the real fighter or the Zeus fighter?

[Host 1]

No, the Zeus girls. One of the Zeus girls that was trying to act like she wanted to get in the ring. And then it turned around where you were up there training somebody else. I think you were T.R. diamond Body. Who were you training? You were training. I thought there, I thought that that started because a girl was acting like she wanted to get in a ring with you and you were saying if they didn't give you insurance, you wasn't going to do it.

[Clarissa Shields]

Not I'm trying to figure out. So this whole hundred thousand dollar challenge been around for like years. That's a fact I think I talked about.

[Papoose]

She had the whole deck before I.

[Clarissa Shields]

Got like a deck. It's going to be a reality TV show. Like I got like a whole thing. So it's been a thing for a while. Every time I mention it, you get like a bunch of girls who never fought saying that they want to fight me. A couple baddies saying, oh, I love to try it, but can you train? Blah, blah, blah. But the only girl who's ever really like tried to, to get inside the ring with me and disres, like disrespectfully was the girl I beat up on you was the girl I beat up at the gym that one time. And honestly, if I can go back to that time, sometimes I think in Internet world, everybody got such a big mouth, right? Because y' all can sit up in here, y' all got. You got security at the door, maybe you guys, but either way, go. They can just run their mouth and don't and don't get touched. They, they go in the room and set their camera and talk about everybody. Call them out their names. I'm about their fangs, about their clothes, they hair and don't nothing happen. The thing about me is I'm a real fighter. So I felt like I needed to make an example out of her. And I've opened the door like, listen, if any girl come to the gym or any girl want to fight me for the honey K, you come to my gym. The fastest way to get your ass whooped is, is to come to my gym while I'm training for a real fight. That's the fast way. I had her out of there in 30 seconds.

[DJ Envy]

We see it, she looked crazy.

[Clarissa Shields]

But it's like, if any other girl think that they're gonna come, I want to set an example. Like, no matter where we at, listen, I don't want to put my hands on you because I know what I can do. But I'm not taking disrespect from nobody because these, these hands do fly. And up at heavyweight, I've been and put a on her back. So I don't, I don't like people like that. So it's like, that was that reason that I did that. And I go and I. If I can go back in time, I think I'll do it again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on. I want to ask him about your fight that you got coming up on February 22nd. But what happens. What happens in the Jake Paul Anthony Joshua fight?

[Clarissa Shields]

I told Pep last night, I said, listen, I know boxing is in a weird space, but I swear to God, if Anthony Joshua lose to Jake Paul.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, Clarissa.

[Clarissa Shields]

Which I think there's. There's no way in hell.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Clarissa Shields]

Like. Like, did you see what did to Francis and Gunnell? But I'm saying if. If Jake Paul get his hand raised over Anthony Joshua, I'm flying to the UK myself, and I'm gonna punch Anthony Joshua as hard as I can in this job.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jesus Christ.

[Clarissa Shields]

Like, you. You. You better not. It's gonna be so, like, one. I don't understand how this fight is happening. It's like, just like in my mind, I'm like, how is this happening?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But the money.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, the money. But it's like, come on, man. Come on.

[Papoose]

Like, money. How can you turn it down?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They say we're getting 90 million a piece. That's what they say. That's what they say. The person is 90 million a piece. I don't know.

[Clarissa Shields]

And you teach, what's the reason for fighting if you make a 90 million a piece?

[Papoose]

If it.

[Clarissa Shields]

I mean, I made 90 million. Y' all not gonna see me no more.

[Papoose]

It's over.

[Clarissa Shields]

Promise. I'm out of here.

[DJ Envy]

You teased us a little bit, though. We really thought that you were. Yeah. That you and Layla Ali were planning this together. We thought it was like these videos out. We thought we was like, oh, they gonna announce at the last video, they're gonna say they fighting this date and then. Nah.

[Papoose]

Yeah, I seen.

[Clarissa Shields]

I would have loved that.

[DJ Envy]

Damn. It was a good setup, but, you.

[Clarissa Shields]

Know, we turned down 15 million. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 1]

Still nothing.

[Clarissa Shields]

Like, no, Listen, I'm fighting February 22nd against Franchise Cruz. Desern. This is our rematch. French on. Cruz is a great fighter. Very, very, very skilled. I think some of y' all on here. Do y' all know Shadesha Green or whatever? Well, well, well, well. Hell, yeah. Franchise Green. Keep that in mind. We want to erase history, but history don't erase, especially when it's in black and white. That's like saying, I don't got two Olympic gold medals, but today she got her ass by Franchine Cruz. And now I'm fighting Franchise Cruz. And I think she didn't want this fight to happen between me and Franchise because now it sheds light on. You lost already. Stop talking like you undefeated and you a star player. When you was warming the bench, Coach put you in and you. The game up, you lost.

[DJ Envy]

They should be on your ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is she gonna be one of those.

[DJ Envy]

Four fights on your ass? Please fight you so bad.

[Clarissa Shields]

And guess what? She gonna get her ass whooped like the rest of them should. They should. Oh, she all husky and all that, man, please. I'm. I know boxing, for real. And when she was 190, I was kicking her ass. So I don't know why she think that. Oh, now she with Jake Paul, and she's husky and she like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was trying not to laugh.

[Clarissa Shields]

Get out of here.

[Papoose]

Yo, it's a confidence. Let me just say.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, this is how you deal with yourself?

[Papoose]

I'm telling you, bro, I'm being honest with you. I think. Cause she got people that love and support her. Like, she do great things with children, all kind of stuff, right? But I think her haters, I think they intimidated by her confidence. I think it's a beautiful thing, man, just to see a woman that confident. I hope the next generation be inspired to be confident. Like, I always walk humble, and she tried to get me out of that. But I really do admire her confidence, man. I'm watching it. I'm like, this is why they mad.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all ever spar at this store? No.

[Papoose]

She killed me, man. Come on.

[DJ Envy]

You know, at sparred, you put it on my spot.

[Papoose]

I stay in my lane, man.

[Clarissa Shields]

I'm not telling you. I really have to show you what I got. For real. Cause when I get inside the ring of Spar, it's like, no name, no face.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Clarissa Shields]

So it was like, I love him dearly. Like this.

[DJ Envy]

Just gonna put him on his ass.

[Clarissa Shields]

He's gonna hit me back for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you know what? I knew Clarissa was really crazy when I saw her sparring with men and one of the men dropped you, I'm like, oh, they not taking it easy on her. Like, she really in there banging with it.

[Clarissa Shields]

I love that you brought that up. Right? And I'm gonna speak on this briefly. Out of 19 years, at my whole boxing. Out of my whole boxing time boxing, I've been dropped twice, both in a week of each other. First week was by that guy. Who you talking about? Who gloves was worn and he barely had no padding in them, right? And then the next week, when I fought my world championship fight against Hannah Gabriels. Those are the only two times in my career where I was dropped ever. So now that we speaking about that, this dude that I sparred was a nobody. Right? And everybody's somebody, but he was a nobody. I already had pieced him up the week before. And I hate that people think in. In then, so. So you said it correct. I got dropped. I didn't get knocked out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Clarissa Shields]

You know, from the footage that people be posting, oh, I got dropped and I was laying there. 1. I probably never been hit that hard with. With like a bare knuckle before. And that's. And that's what happened. But as I got back up, I spot another guy, four rounds, Harold, who was highly ranked at 140 pounds, 147 pounds. And then when I got out, I spotted the first guy first who dropped me. He dropped me like in the third, fourth round, he got out. I sparred Harold four rounds. And then he got in with Harold and sparred Harold. When he got out and he sparred Harold, Harold said, hey, man, what's up with your gloves? Because you wasn't hitting like that last week. We all had sparred the week before. So now that he said that, I go up to the guy myself and I grab his gloves and I'm like, what the hell? It's literally nothing in them. It's. It's like worn gloves. It's literally no pattern. So now me, as a fighter who've been doing this all my life, I done sparred against the biggest and the heaviest men you can think about. I've never been dropped, wobbled, or none. So now to get dropped like that, it was like something is up. And it was something with his gloves. I don't have to lie about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't have to make no excuses. It was a man.

[Clarissa Shields]

No. But it don't matter though, because since the time I was 11 to now I'm 30 years old, I've sparred 95%. Men in my sparring pep have seen me spar. Dudes, paps, see some of these dudes warming up. He looking at me like he was talking about he a protector. He looking at the dude like, you better not hit my girl. But I'll be in there. Hey, they be coming with it, and I'll be coming with. I send them all my sparring clips and. Because if he's not there, but I'm like, hey, today was hard. And then I. And then I started like Sparta, guys. Next, like the next couple days, send the footage. He like, damn, you figured it out. Because that's what I do as like a, as like a fighter. So don't ever just do going around. Oh, he, he knocked me out. He dropped me. Everybody feeling sorry. Oh, I got fighters get dropped in sparring. It's not nothing new to the game. Just because I'm a woman sparring against some against a man. And then it happened one time. It didn't deter me from sparring other men. That happened when I was going for my second world title.

[Papoose]

Basically, she sparred the dude, she pieced him up. He came back with some amazing new strength.

[Clarissa Shields]

He from a different culture. Him getting beat up by a woman. He was embarrassed. So him and his coach conspired with those gloves and his evidence and his people that was there who know about his gloves. So it's like me having to talk about. It's like, I'm not embarrassed because of that. I still spar men now. I still get ready for my fights. I'm a 19 time world champion and I've accomplished more than that cheat will ever accomplish in his life. I'm not, I'm not ashamed of that. So when they bring that up, I kind of just laugh it off. But it's like I wish one of these trolls that be talking like that would really like said to my face, cuz I dropped they ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They be trolling you about me.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, I'm trying to tell you they be man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Guys, what are we talking about here?

[Papoose]

I don't know.

[Host 1]

He the un don't be on X. But I be seeing it. They. It be that they be on you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, I had a totally different perspective when I watched that video. I'm like, boy, Clarissa is she spars with men.

[Papoose]

Sensible.

[Host 1]

And you're in reality, these people don't be.

[Clarissa Shields]

Some of these guys are so intimidated that I'm just so strong and so confident and so great at what I do. They're intimidated that they think like, dang, if I was to fight her, she could probably beat me up. That's intimidating for a man. I don't go around like, oh, I beat up these men. What's up with you, Charlamagne? You want to fight? You want to fight? DJ Envy, what's up?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want to fight Keith Thurman? And who was the other person? I forgot recently? Not recently, no.

[Clarissa Shields]

So look, they asked me questions and I answer them. The question a long time ago was, who is a male fighter I think I could beat in a boxing match? I said, Shawn Porter and Keith Thurman. Why? I like their boxing skills. They both big Strong men, I respect both of them, but when I look at how they box and how I'm boxing, I'm like, man, if I can shake and bake and go to the body and do my little stuff, I feel like I'm better skilled than them. Am I stronger than them? No, But, I mean, have I really ever been stronger than a lot of people? It's like, strength is not my thing. When it comes to a fight, strength is not my thing. It's about skill, precision, and I. And I know how to win, but I got some power, too. But, no, I'm not trying to knock everybody out. Like, I'm a. I'm a box them. You know what I'm saying? And move around and move my head. Like, I'm pretty skilled in all the departments. That's why they call me the female tbe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all better leave Clarissa alone. When you fight your days, is it gonna be before the baby or after? Baby? After the baby.

[Clarissa Shields]

I'm fighting before. Okay, fight it before. I want to get. I want to fight Franchise, and then we can get Shadesha after. That'd be. That'd be a great party.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what Franchise on February? What's your days? Yeah, some of.

[Clarissa Shields]

Hey, you know, whenever she get unsuspended, but she's spinning. Oh, I know she was. Yo, okay, all right, I'm sorry. I ain't mean. Oh, she say that Savannah bust her. Bust her eardrum and. And broke her nose. That's what she say Savannah did to her. What she think I want to do to her? That's crazy. But I say that to say, you say she been on my ass, right, and she wanted to get this fight. How can you get a fight and make a fight with me? And you're spending. You can't fight nobody. So what, you're really calling for a fight, or was you doing it for clout? I think it was just clout. I think she didn't want me to. She wanted to. To stall me and make me not even think about Frank trying to keep all the attention on her till she got through her little suspension that she kept a secret from everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't know what you guys.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, you're gonna box right now. Go on. She ain't that big yet, so she ain't gonna be on no Google. Go to box wreck. That's where you go. And on box rec, you're gonna see Shadesha Green picture, and it's gonna say, indefinitely suspended.

[Papoose]

This is funny, because February 22, y'. All. February 22, Sunday, y'.

[Clarissa Shields]

All.

[Papoose]

Little Caesar's Arena.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She better fight against Savannah Marshall.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah. Because Savannah bust her eardrum and broke her nose.

[Host 1]

Oh, that In a July fight.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You suspended for that?

[Papoose]

That's what I said. I was like. I. I studied boxing. I never knew that injuries or pds.

[Clarissa Shields]

Listen, I didn't know what it was. I just was like, she suspended, but she put all the attention on her. On herself, though. But let's not lose focus, you guys. Pap just dropped the album. Bars on Wheels. A journey to save hip hop.

[Papoose]

DJ Envy played the music. Oh, that's love.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's a guy.

[DJ Envy]

Don't even check.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Look at that. He's from.

[Papoose]

I know that I'm bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He raps and Envy knows him. He's been.

[DJ Envy]

Don't say why, because then you're gonna tell you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I told him I was gonna let him rap for you.

[Papoose]

Oh, word.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

While you was here.

[Papoose]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I want to bring him in.

[Clarissa Shields]

He here?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's here.

[Papoose]

He's like a word?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

He's a glass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go get him.

[Ermine]

Brandy. Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, he's a cool dude. He really. He really takes his craft serious.

[Papoose]

He does.

[DJ Envy]

He's Moroccan. If I'm a Morocco.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you tell him he's whack or you don't fuck with him, he can't come up here. Right, right, right.

[Papoose]

He did what I did when I was trying to get on with Slay and we had.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Russell recently was talking about how he came up here and he rapped and it changed his trajectory. And so a lot of people see that now. So they want something like, yo, introduce yourself. What's good, people?

[Ermine]

I'm Ermine from London Store.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Say what's up to Pap. Say what's up to Clarissa.

[DJ Envy]

We've known our main a long time and he's a rapper. His records are starting to take off. He showed me his. All that other stuff, and we going.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To let him take a deep breath. Okay.

[Papoose]

That's love, man. Give opportunities up here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got the beat?

[Papoose]

You better.

[Ermine]

What was the other.

[DJ Envy]

The other dude that came up here and one got signed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was Josh and it was Josh and Don.

[DJ Envy]

To Don to. Used to come up here all the time.

[Papoose]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Josh and Don.

[Host 1]

You need a beat. You acapella.

[Ermine]

I sent you that beat yesterday.

[Clarissa Shields]

Oh, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I sent it that.

[Papoose]

Yeah, we got.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Let's go. No pressure.

[Ermine]

You can turn it up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want some headphones?

[Papoose]

No, no, no. I need headphones.

[DJ Envy]

Matter.

[Ermine]

Yo. It all started with a dream I left home at 17 I come from south London baby you don't see that on the screen they used to tell me that you'll be someone that don't achieve I used to tell myself that's something that I won't believe when it came from my family it really hurt me deep so I lock myself inside the bedroom cry before I sleep Told them that I wanna be what I wanna be but they rather me inside the cell or see the boy deceased Lost both grandmas in six months why they leave? When that girl broke my heart I was crying on my knees but that's karma Cause I done the same to mom and now I see life balancing out life and really it's a beast so I'm sorry mommy Cause I know you couldn't rescue me I was fascinated by the streets Ain't what me know the imagine having you a child that speaks the way I speak I'll probably go and lose my mind and turn my back on me Crazy how I talk about myself like this so casually Cause my self esteem is low My trauma scar so mad for me couldn't figure out a path to take I found it gradually Last time a girl she said she loved me I said actually love ain't satisfactory I'm closer to insanity every day a battle I just want to see my family but I can't cry I chose it's life so I have a seat Everybody talking about me in the street okay, all right, all right.

[Clarissa Shields]

What you think, Cap?

[Papoose]

Nah, he did his thing, man. That was tough, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where you from?

[Papoose]

Morocco.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Ermine]

Morocco. That's where my parents are from, but they moved to London and that's where I was born. I moved to America when I was 17.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, bruv.

[DJ Envy]

All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, bruv.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, bro. That's what you call him now, bro. He's become Breakfast Club, I would say. For what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A long time.

[Ermine]

Yeah, to get up here still. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

This is record. Where can they follow you and all that stuff?

[Ermine]

Me and 22 on the socials, Spotify. You can catch me everywhere. I've got a little song that's doing some numbers right now, so keep adding to it. I appreciate it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Might be One Records next artist who knows?

[Papoose]

Yeah. N. Definitely sound tough. I love to hear some of your music, man. Keep doing your thing, man.

[Ermine]

Appreciate you for real, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you used to do that, Pat.

[Papoose]

That's a fact. I used to do the same thing you was doing.

[Ermine]

Kind of clocked it for you. Used to be outside hotline 7 with K sleep.

[Papoose]

That's right. That's right, man. Yeah. Nah. So I know what it's like, man. When you got that hunger, you just like, yo, I wanna. I wanna get on, man. You got it for real, bro. Gotta do it yourself.

[Ermine]

Yeah, that's it. Go take it by the.

[Papoose]

I respect it.

[DJ Envy]

What song you want to play up the project, Pat? Not the Green. I play that all the time.

[Papoose]

What's your favorite joint off the project?

[Clarissa Shields]

You sure you don't. You. You wanna pick yours?

[Papoose]

Hers is Chill Button. It's called Chill Button.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, Chill Button.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why you ain't got one?

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, no Chill Button. Like, he know that Chill Button is. Well, one. I heard the album before all y' all heard it. I saw the video and stuff, too. I've been knowing about this for months. I just wait. I was about to leak it. He didn't drop it. Hey, y' all ever hear any of Papu's music get leaked? I did it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You did it.

[Papoose]

How crazy is that, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

Be on Twitter like, oh, who happened? Like, I don't know what happened, but doing numbers, I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

Let's get into it right now. Bars on Wheels out right now. Carissa Papoose, produced by my brother real quick.

[Papoose]

Can I bring my brother in real quick? He produced the whole project in the studio. We took our time, too, man. WIN Records, man. Yeah, yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

Oh, and by the way, okay, everybody got their WIN record chain. I don't know why.

[Papoose]

Just tell them how was it producing this project? Real quick. Producing this project. You know, it was epic.

[DJ Envy]

It was dope.

[Papoose]

We took our time with it. That's right. And it's real hip hop. Producer and MC man back together doing it strong.

[DJ Envy]

That's what it is. All right, well, it's the Breakfast Club. Papoose Shields.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Breakfast Club.

[Host 1]

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