Best of full interview: Ray J On Being Painted As A Villain Amid Kardashian Drama, Mario Verzuz, New Relationship + More

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Ray J on Redemption, Relationships, and the Kardashian Fallout

Podcast: The Breakfast Club
Episode: Best Of: Ray J On Being Painted As A Villain Amid Kardashian Drama, Mario Verzuz, New Relationship + More
Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guest: Ray J (with appearances from niece Rah Rah, Love Cabin castmate Sheila)

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth, candid conversation with Ray J, unpacking his public image as a "villain" in the wake of longstanding Kardashian-related controversy, his evolution as an artist and entrepreneur, mental health struggles, family, and relationships. Alongside the familiar banter and humor characteristic of The Breakfast Club, Ray J gets vulnerable about the emotional toll of fame, “crashing out” online, and his journey toward healing and redemption. The episode also introduces his niece Rah Rah (Brandy’s daughter), touching on legacy, family, and new generational talent, and takes a look at his Love Cabin relationship with Sheila.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ray J, the Breakfast Club & His Legacy in Media

• Ray J reflects on being the very first Breakfast Club guest (“the first viral moment” – [02:20]), highlighting their long-standing relationship:

  “I was the first guest ever. That's crazy.” — Ray J ([02:20])

• The hosts reminisce about classic Ray J moments, both viral and sincere, and acknowledge his influence on hip-hop media culture.

2. Navigating Public Perception & The "Villain" Narrative

• Ray J addresses being portrayed as a “bad guy,” especially in relation to the Kardashian sex tape and years of ongoing media drama ([07:07]):

  “If the public paints you as the bad guy for years, what does that do to you mentally? You just turn into the bad guy.” — Ray J ([07:12])

• He discusses the distinction between Ray J the entertainer and Ray J the person, expressing a wish for his family’s pride and for the culture to see a “different side.”

3. Mental Health, Pressure, and Reflection

• Ray J speaks openly about his mental health, the instability that comes with fame, and seeking therapy ([05:45], [11:40]).

• He credits Dr. Cheyenne Bryant and Pastor Scott for giving him guidance.

• The hosts and Ray J discuss the blurred lines between trolling, “crashing out,” and genuine distress.

  “Mental health is serious... It helps me, man.” — Ray J ([05:45])

• He describes how streaming and engaging with fans “becomes therapy” but also amplifies highs and lows.

4. The Mario “Verzuz” Drama & Industry Relationships

• The episode dives into Ray J’s recent disputes and apologies regarding Mario and Wale, stemming from impulsive live comments ([11:18]-[15:11]).
• They break down the competitive (and comical) spirit of a potential Ray J vs. Mario Verzuz, riffing about song selections and stage settings ([15:39]).
• Ray J admits:

  “In a Versus live right now, Mario would crush me.” ([18:15])

5. Sobriety, Growth, and Self-Control

• Ray J responds to comments about substance use—especially the last time he was on the show (“playing with the little lean”)—and affirms personal growth and a commitment to “self-control over time” ([08:28]-[09:08]).

6. Music and Entrepreneurship

• Discussion of his new club record "Stripper Bow" ([22:00]), collaborations, and his intent on balancing “raunchy” content with personal growth.
• The hosts praise Ray J’s achievements with Raycon and other businesses, though he laments how they’re overshadowed by past controversy:

  “Nobody knows about the show. Nobody talks about the electronics.” — Ray J ([37:42])

7. Relationships, “Love Cabin,” and Family Dynamics

• Sheila, Ray J's “really good friend” from the Zeus show Love Cabin, joins the discussion ([27:10]). Their relationship blurs the line between personal and reality TV drama, with questions from the hosts and chat about exclusivity, emotional moments, and family approval.

• Tensions between Sheila and Rah Rah (Ray J's niece) surface, leading to talk about resolving family dynamics ([30:10]).

8. The Kardashian Saga: Truth, Narrative, and Legal Limits

• The heart of the episode is Ray J’s emotional plea for his side of the Kardashian sex tape drama to be heard ([35:47]-[43:07]):

  “If I was to die today, I think there's a lot of things that would be misunderstood about my story.” ([36:02])

• Ray J presses the hosts, and the culture at large, to “ask the questions” of the other side about how the tape was introduced and managed, implying deeper truths and orchestrations ([43:00], [47:18], [48:09]).

• While legal restrictions block direct answers, Ray J repeatedly calls for accountability and respect for his legacy, especially for his children and family’s sake.

9. Racial Dynamics and Control of Narrative

• The conversation includes how racial bias may have affected the public response to Ray J compared to the Kardashians ([45:06]):

  “If you wasn't black, you wouldn't have got those [reactions].” — Charlamagne ([45:13])

• Ray J reflects on how his story was marginalized while Kim’s brand soared and how lack of PR machinery put him at a disadvantage.

10. Fatherhood, Pain, and Purpose

• Ray J becomes emotional, discussing the impact of public perception on his children, particularly his daughter, and his struggle with suicidal thoughts:

  “I rather the truth for a dollar than a billion dollars for a lie, bro. Keep your money. … Just tell the truth for one buck, and I can start over.” ([60:20])

• The group rallies, offering support and insisting on his importance as a father.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On public perception:

  "Crashing out works. So how do you balance that with just being level in life?" — Ray J ([09:08])

• On business success:

  "We can't talk about money because…it's not relatable…just keeping that side of the business quiet is always showing good discipline to your partners." — Ray J ([38:12])

• On being silenced:

  “If I could tell you everything, which I want to, I would. But I need to talk to my lawyers…” — Ray J ([55:32])

• On fatherhood and legacy:

  "I got a daughter, and I love her, and I got a son, and I love him, and I just don't want to disappoint them, bro." ([61:11])

• Charlamagne's support:

  “That sex tape could not be sold and distributed without everybody's consent. Bottom line, point blank, period.” ([42:59])

• On Rah Rah's family pride:

  “I think I’m already successful being in this family. I can be a Nepo baby to the day I die.” — Rah Rah ([68:47])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• First appearance & viral moments: [02:09]-[02:23]
• Ray J discusses mental health & support: [04:50]-[05:45]; [61:05]-[61:11]
• Being painted as the 'bad guy': [07:07]-[07:16]
• Discussion on sobriety & self-control: [08:28]-[09:08]
• Ray J vs. Mario Verzuz battle debate: [11:18]-[18:22]
• On the Kardashian sex tape controversy & truth-telling: [35:47]-[43:48], [44:51]-[55:24]
• Race, public perception, and media machinery: [45:06]-[45:21]
• Sex tape, NDA, and legal constraints: [52:03]-[54:19]
• Fatherhood pressures & legacy: [59:41]-[61:11]
• Rah Rah on growing up in the Norwood family: [65:51]-[70:25]

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Tone and Style

• The conversation bounces between playful ribbing, thoughtful introspection, and raw emotion.
• Ray J is candid, switching between moments of humor, vulnerability, and frustration.
• The hosts are at once supportive, probing, and, at times, comic relief—especially Charlamagne's observational humor.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Breakfast Club transcends surface-level celebrity drama, offering listeners a window into Ray J’s multidimensional life—his public persona, personal struggles, and commitment to family above all. The discussion ultimately calls for the culture to look past headlines, to acknowledge the humanity behind the media narrative, and to demand the “real story” for those so often misrepresented.

Ray J's closing words emphasize his wish for the truth to be acknowledged, for the sake of his children and peace of mind, while his family, especially Rah Rah, represents both a source of strength and new beginnings.

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For listeners seeking reality TV gossip, entrepreneurial lessons, or an honest reflection on fame and redemption, this episode offers it all—delivered in the signature Breakfast Club blend of candor, laughter, and heart.

Transcript

[Host]

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[Ray J]

Hold up. Every day I wake up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club. Finish or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess. Hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lola, Rosa is here. We got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Somebody said you not live no more. Right.

[Ray J]

I'm not lying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, you gotta be live.

[Ray J]

We gotta be live.

[Host]

Oh, my God. Hear him say I'm not live. Reminded me we're not live.

[DJ Envy]

Are we live? Are we live?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You always gotta show them that. Are we live?

[DJ Envy]

Are we live? Are we live? Ladies and gentlemen, Ray J.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Live. Ray, does she look like your sister.

[Host]

I've been seeing for years?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Please.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, man.

[Ray J]

It's official. J and Anthony said it. And I think that, you know, the short hair still makes it even more recognizing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you know, we call her Brandica. I love that she got the short hair.

[Host]

I've been telling them I need to do. When she do the series, come get me. I don't know what age I could play. I'm a little older now, but I.

[Ray J]

Think you can play the young Brandi.

[DJ Envy]

But welcome.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray.

[DJ Envy]

How are you feeling?

[Ray J]

How you feeling, brother?

[DJ Envy]

You good?

[Ray J]

I'm feeling good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got a lot going on.

[Ray J]

A lot going on. Yeah. I want to. I want to make it really. I'm happy that this is my platform now. Thank you for giving me the opportunity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Ray J]

To. To. To. To go into the holidays in the Q4 correctly. Okay. With respect and honor and love.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, let's. Let's start with the legal stuff.

[DJ Envy]

What legal stuff?

[Ray J]

Well, I thought y' all didn't want to. I thought that we couldn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why can't we.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, no. Oh, you mean. Yeah, the bs. No, I was gonna say, first and foremost, I just want to tell, you know, people don't know that we really love you, Ray.

[Ray J]

I love you.

[DJ Envy]

Like, for.

[Ray J]

For.

[DJ Envy]

For new listeners. Ray was our first guest ever on the Breakfast.

[Ray J]

Yes. I was the. Before I went crazy on the rant.

[DJ Envy]

Before the rant.

[Ray J]

I was the first guest guest on.

[DJ Envy]

The Breakfast Club ever.

[Ray J]

I was the first guest ever. That's crazy.

[DJ Envy]

He was the first viral moment also on the Breakfast Club as well.

[Ray J]

So we got.

[DJ Envy]

We. We love Ray. We talk about Ray all the time and good or bad, we just know what we love.

[Ray J]

I would rather you guys always talk good about me, but it's okay.

[DJ Envy]

But the bad is on you.

[Host]

But yeah, and the bad also some of the.

[Ray J]

You guys are my friends and plus we're all entertainers and you guys have to do what you have to do. Charlamagne knows sometimes I get a little emotional all the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me and Ray had a good heart to heart earlier this year.

[Ray J]

Yeah. And so sometimes because I get emotional, you know, and Ray told me, but I do sometimes. But because I mean, we're all in our zone. I'm a journalist as well. And so I just, I just feel a little bit like this is my personal people. But you guys have to keep it neutral, you know, throughout, you know, the day, because that's the way you supposed to be. So it can be one sided because that's not what journalism is about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I appreciated the phone call though, because I'm like, you know, there's not people that's gonna be honest and that's the way Ray was feeling.

[DJ Envy]

But he was on My Live first he was like, charlamagne's a piece of ishy. I hate Charlamagne. I was like, call him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I think this was after that.

[Ray J]

He said, call him. And then so we talked even we went. I call Charlamagne a lot and there's just times when I feel like, you know, and this is not. I'm not being neutral, but I feel like sometimes y' all can have my back or, you know, in certain instances what I'm going through. Just give it a little more seriousness on my side.

[DJ Envy]

But we do, we protect Ray a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But Ray J got a comedian energy to where you don't know when he being serious or not.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Host]

That was the first time we spoke. And I am a serious conversation, but I didn't know when you're being serious. And sometimes I laughed and I put on mute because I didn't want you to feel away. But you're just laughing.

[DJ Envy]

Put on mute is crazy because he's.

[Host]

Funny naturally, but he's really serious and everything's like so heartfelt felt. So you don't want to laugh.

[Ray J]

But yeah, a lot of people try to hold it in. But I'm serious, I'm serious. Everything that I've been going through, it's been up and down and Everybody has their up and down days and I think with the streaming world and shout out to Kai Sonat for kind of like opening up his doors to.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

Because he really like put us really on in the stream in a different way. And from there, when you're on your streams and you're streaming 24 hours, it's like therapy. So you go through these therapy sessions with your chat because nothing's bigger than the chat. And then you. I don't, I don't know. Every time it's going to go this viral when I be saying certain things. So then I watch it the next day and I'm like, oh man, I got to stand on that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But people, I'm going to tell you what I love too. I love seeing you on stage with your sister and I love seeing your niece with you. I love when I see your real family around you. That's when you look your whole, your whole, your whole.

[Ray J]

And I was so excited when I found out we were coming up here together. I'm like, von, this is everything. Because again, I do want to turn the tides and I do wanna, you know, showcase a different side of me. Cause I think we've been crashing out to the left too much. And again, everything's entertainment. But you know, you just wanna make sure you kinda like guarantee to everybody that this isn't a liability situation or every time I'm in the airport and they like, we praying for you, Ray J.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

God bless you, man.

[Ray J]

I hope everything's okay. I'm like, dang.

[DJ Envy]

Cause people don't know when you're crashing out, crashing out or if you're just entertaining.

[Ray J]

So it's been a lot of. We praying for you, man. God bless you, man. I hope you're gonna be all right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because people think you on drugs. They think you got mental health issues, which we all deal with our own mental health issues.

[Ray J]

Mental health is serious. And shout out to Dr. Cheyenne Bryant. Yeah, she's. I mean, we talk a lot and off camera and it's always off camera. But she helps me through certain things. And Dr. Scott too, out of Cleveland, Pastor Scott helps me through some of the issues that I'll be going through too. And it helps me, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What have you learned? What have you learned about yourself?

[Ray J]

Well, you know, every day when I. You gotta watch yourself. It's easy to know it when you just watch it. And I think without adding in the trolling, you know, it's. It's just me just keeping it real. And a lot of times people can't I think keeping this real because there's a lot of different situations that might be in front of them. The job, their workspace, their partners, the people that. Around them that might feel away, that's paying, you know, the bills, whatever it is. You know, there's a lot of things that people go through that keep them away from being this extremely blunt. But for me, it's not like that. And I think that I have to hold myself responsible to hold some of this stuff in as we grow. And as I grow, I'm getting older, and I want my niece to be proud of me, and I want the team to be proud of me. And we can't. We can't crash out in 2026.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So when the public paints you as the bad guy for years, what does that do to you mentally? How do you protect your peace, man?

[Ray J]

You just turn into the bad guy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay. Lean into your shadow side.

[Ray J]

Well, you. Well, you not only lean into it, because I think that's the only thing that I think makes sense. You know, it's almost like, you know, if. If you're doing something that's extremely believable, then it works. But if you're doing something that's not, and it might be really who you really are, people don't understand it. And so it. It. Sometimes it takes a toll to try to, like, hey, I'm gonna be positive for 2026. Ray J's gonna turn the new leaf. He's gonna be a good person. But that's who I am internally, no matter what. So when the character comes out, if it gets over the top and it's. The impressions are up, you know, the Prof. The profits are up, you know what I mean? The numbers are up, then it makes sense. But then on the other side, you know, there's a negative side to that, too, with whatever comments people are putting in. I don't read any comments or nothing, but overall, just. I really want my family to be proud of me, and they want me to show a different side of myself, you know what I mean? That I don't really show. And so I'm up for it, and I want to do it for 2026.

[DJ Envy]

Is Ray J. Sober now? Last time you were up here, you was playing with the little lean, but you look thinner, you look clearer. So I'm assuming not anymore with the lean? Yes.

[Ray J]

Yeah. No, not the lean. Certain things are bad. Are bad. And I think you don't even know.

[DJ Envy]

Last time you was up here, you know, me and Charlamagne dumped it out and act like it was really there. It wasn't there.

[Ray J]

And that's what. That's where. That's what I'm saying.

[DJ Envy]

Like we dumped it out. That's not okay. You don't think we love each other?

[Ray J]

No, it is okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is okay that we.

[Ray J]

It's okay. Now it's very expensive. So it was just like.

[DJ Envy]

Very expensive.

[Ray J]

But no, again, you have to have self control eventually over time, because if you have the option to make mistakes and just. And it works, the mistakes work, then you find yourself in a weird position because crashing out works. So how do you balance that with, you know, just being level in life? And sometimes for me, it just gets confusing and everything just becomes blank and it all just gets real blurry right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Interesting when you say it works though. Cause you know, when you think about Ray Khan Tronics, you built these hundred million dollar businesses. To me, that's working absolutely. This crashing out is just attention online. That's not really working.

[Ray J]

But it does work. It does work for impressions. It does work for certain scales. When you're doing Snapchat or you're doing Twitter or you're doing Instagram, you're doing Twitch and you're running, you know, 15 ads an hour and you want your CPM to be solid, right? And you're running them at night in late night, and you want those to work as well. So I think it all works if you're looking at it from a really scientific level. And I think a lot of people don't think we look at it like that, but we do. But enough is enough at some point, right? And I don't know when it is. I don't know when enough is enough. Because I'm like, enough's enough now. But I'm like, is it enough? I'm just saying. I'm just saying, is it enough? Wild out two days ago, because when people, when people hire me to do a job and I come and I go, what do you guys want me to do? They're like, do what you do. Not too much, but do what you do. So not too much tells me, okay, you want me to do what Ray J does. And again, balance, prayer, support, more than anything is what matters. And I feel like throughout this whole grind, there hasn't, like, the support system for Ray J is very minimal. Okay, but it's okay.

[DJ Envy]

So are you changing a new leaf now? Because two days ago it's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not even listening to this.

[DJ Envy]

You called Mary Mario gay.

[Ray J]

I called Mario. No, I said I Never seen Mario with a woman, but I love Mario and I'm sure he has women. And I'm sorry, Mom, he's on Instagram with his pregnant I'm so sorry woman. Exactly. So I made a mistake.

[DJ Envy]

Also, you said Wale was, you know, you said I like the hospitality of his show and pretty much called him a sucker.

[Ray J]

I'm sorry, Wale for that as well. And I wanna extend my apology to Wale. Mario. He did a great job with Brandi. I appreciate Brandi for having my back. She said I needed to just slow down on all the extracurricular things that I do on the side and I would be able to compete.

[DJ Envy]

So you no longer wanna battle him in the Versus?

[Ray J]

In a Versus. Well, they had the main stage, they were headlining the verses, and then we did the beginning of the verses. And all together collectively, it was a successful disaster.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I told Mario that he didn't let you on stage cuz he was afraid of the smoke.

[Ray J]

I. I'm telling you because I was on the side.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was just here was yesterday.

[Ray J]

So I seen Mario on the side of the stage. I walk up to him. We in Baltimore or we know we in D.C. and I'm.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We got Mar. Let's hear Mar. We got Mar. We want to let you hear what Mario said.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Ray J]

Shout out to Mario. Shout out to Mario. Even if he says something bad, God bless him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he didn't say.

[DJ Envy]

He didn't say that bad.

[Ray J]

He's here.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, no.

[Ray J]

Not.

[Host]

He's here. Like we had him in the closet just waiting for him.

[Ray J]

I'm not scared.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I get scared.

[Ray J]

Come on, you worry. You got to be King Koopa to Mario. I just. Today.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Ray J]

S here and you know, Sheila's here and the whole team is here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

King Cooper.

[Ray J]

Don't hide. Don't hide me, King Cooper.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, you got it. Stop playing.

[Ray J]

I hit. I hit the homie and said, wow, you had my back for one time, man. Yes. I said, I know you haven't. And DJ Envy, you haven't had it for a few times.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mario said, you ain't let him on that stage that night, cuz. You knew what was going to happen at the Wild.

[Ray J]

Yeah, Ray, you said, I didn't let him on stage.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray J wanted to do the verse.

[Ray J]

You can ask Ray J what happened backstage. I was like, yo, let's do it. Let's make it happen. He was like, nigga, shrink me. Just, just. I don't care what you do. Just. I don't let's just make it happen. I'm like, I didn't even know he was gonna be there. I said, I bet.

[DJ Envy]

I got you.

[Ray J]

They didn't let him on stage. It wasn't me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's not Ray J's story. Ray J's story was I wanted to do the verses right then and there. So Mario was like, nah, out of.

[Ray J]

All people, you trust Ray J's story.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn crazy.

[Ray J]

Mario. That's not okay. I saw Mario behind the stage, and when they said, mario's here, I'm like, no way. This is a coincidence. It's perfect for us to do what we got to do.

[DJ Envy]

You didn't know he was.

[Ray J]

I didn't know. Cause somebody. Well, my management said Wale wanted Ray J to come out for a homecoming event or whatever. And I'm like, I'm doing the DMV Baltimore subathon. Anyway, let's go up there. I didn't talk to Wale or none of them, so I didn't know, really who invited me. I ended up backstage. They said, mario's upstairs. I said, let's go find him. We went up. I said, mario, what's up? He said, what's up, Ray J? I said, what's up? I said, it's time. I said, you about to get on stage, and then I need to battle you with my song. I said, bro, even if I lose, we gotta. We gotta do it. He said, and I promise you, give me five minutes to think about it. And I go, five minutes to think about it. So then he goes down, and then I go down 10 minutes later, and he's performing. So he didn't give me the five minutes. He just, like, kind of shaded me on that end. And so I was standing on the side of the stage waiting for a mic, and they started directing me off, like, traffic, like, with the car, like, ray J, come on this way. Go that way. Now get the hell out of here. And I was just like, yo, it was crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But he kicked you out?

[Ray J]

They didn't kick me out, but they kind of just told me to get off because they. They was like, we don't want no problems here.

[DJ Envy]

But what Ray J was it. Was it this Ray J or was.

[Ray J]

Was this Ray J? My eyes was really wide, and I was ready to get on stage. They go, we don't want those problems here. Come on. And I just was like, all right, I'm done.

[Host]

Did Mario ever look over and see you? Like, you know, how you on a stage, which you could see he didn't.

[Ray J]

Want no problems at that point because I knew that dc, which is one of my favorite cities in the world, I love DC Shout out to Kathy Hughes. Shout out to DC I wanted it so bad, but they didn't let it happen. So I respect it. I was a little mad, but I think after that night, I started to go, you know what? Maybe I'm a little mad too much. Maybe I need to switch up from the Casamigos to maybe Tito's.

[Host]

How many songs in the Casamigos we left out?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I say three in the possible.

[DJ Envy]

Ray J.

[Ray J]

It just depends on where you are. Like, I think that the verses for no Limit and Cash Money should have been in New Orleans.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Ray J]

It would have been a whole nother thing.

[Host]

So where does Ray J's versus take place?

[Ray J]

Ray J's versus Ray's?

[Host]

Like, if you have the perfect setting.

[Ray J]

In Baltimore.

[Host]

In Baltimore. Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

In his hometown.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In Mario's hometown.

[Ray J]

Because I love. I love Mario and I love Baltimore.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

[Ray J]

You know, I think doing it in LA wouldn't be fair because now I'm doing songs that Mario might not have even heard. And they still lit and they still platinum, you know?

[Host]

What song do you lead with? Like, what's your number one?

[Ray J]

The song that I lead with is One Wish.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, out the gate.

[DJ Envy]

No out the gate.

[Ray J]

One wish. Because I got a new gospel version.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's dope.

[DJ Envy]

You.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You should be allowed to do one wish three times. Three different ways you're supposed to get three wishes. So. So it should be more than one wish. So one wish, then you do a one wish, then you can do a one wish. Afro beats.

[Ray J]

Yep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kill them.

[Ray J]

I think one wish five times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Then Sexy can I. I said, this.

[Ray J]

Is what I said. I said let me love you is not bigger than one wish.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You should let me love.

[Host]

I love One wish. I'd love to see perform it, but I. I do think, what's the metric? Let me love you is bigger, but.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can look it up. You can see well.

[Ray J]

But then also. Also take into account I'm 1,000% independent. Like, there's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's.

[Ray J]

There's no. There's no. Like, there's no Koch distribution on this one. There's no epic distribution on this one. This is just straight sanctuary and Ray J. 3%, like, deal within 97 US forever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sexy can I, Sexy can I Sexy can I.

[Ray J]

Is bigger than let me love you to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hit it first as a possible.

[DJ Envy]

No.

[Ray J]

Hit it first is not okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can do Hit it first.

[Ray J]

Well, hit it first. Never really.

[DJ Envy]

People know that record.

[Ray J]

That's crazy, because they never really saw the light of day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I want you to know that those two right there said that Mario would wash you in a verse.

[Host]

I did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know why they're not keeping that same energy right now.

[Ray J]

And I think so, but honestly.

[Host]

But I don't think that you would stand.

[Ray J]

I think so, too. Are you right?

[DJ Envy]

I think you got five joints. I think.

[Ray J]

Listen, I think Mario.

[DJ Envy]

Five.

[Ray J]

Mario can sing live as hell.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Your niece said one.

[DJ Envy]

Mario only got one joint.

[Host]

One.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I didn't say nothing.

[Ray J]

Let me love you.

[DJ Envy]

Just a friend Braid my hair. The joint with Gucci.

[Ray J]

I love you, Rah Rah. And I love that Brandy supported me, too, but she also said, ray gotta, you know, do right in order to compete because Mario is a serial singer, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ray J]

He's a serial singer, and I respect that. And I think that in A versus live right now, Mario would crush me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm glad you and your sister got back on the same page. How did that happen?

[Ray J]

We always been on the same page. I think just publicly, it was just, you know, she brought me out at the concert, but I was just. Every time I get around B and my mom and Sarah, I just get real emotional, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you straighten up. You don't act like you act anywhere else with them, I'm sure.

[Ray J]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah.

[Ray J]

And I think that it just. Enough is enough. And I'm so happy that Rah Rah's here today because it just. It makes me do better no matter what, because I know my mama is watching and my dad and. And Brandy. And so, like, I'm like. I'm really a comedian. We really are in, like. Like this Richard Pryor, like, Red fox format of comedy where it's uncut. Right. And if everybody took it like that, I think it'd be better. But for the seriousness of what it is, I just. I don't want to let them down moving forward, and I just want to do right.

[Host]

What is Brandy saying?

[DJ Envy]

I was going to ask how come he didn't come out during the show? How come he didn't sing during the show? Because everybody was expecting one wish.

[Ray J]

Well, Brandi and Monica wanted me to do what, you know, they wanted to give. Get my idea. And I just said for the first one, for. Just let me just come out and go up and down. Just for me to just say hi. Cause I don't want to. I don't want to get hype.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You could Shut it down.

[DJ Envy]

You could have did. One wish.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wait a minute.

[Ray J]

Well, I just didn't want to do anything wrong.

[DJ Envy]

Sexy. Can I. One wish.

[Host]

So you guys had just got back to that point of you been coming out with her and you just didn't want to mess it up.

[Ray J]

Yeah, like, I just. Just wanted to just. Just make it. Just make it peaceful, you know? And shout out to Usher's mom, too, because I seen her. We all took a picture of my mom, Usher's mom, Brandy, and. And she was like, I want to talk to you too, because it seemed like she had something on her mind to tell me, but it never happened. But I hope it does, because I was curious on what she was gonna say. But I'm just, you know, I'm. I'm in a listening mode. And I mean, I'm in. I'm not in healing mode, but I just. I want to do the right thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did One Music Fest. Did one Music Fest make you want to get back on stage.

[Host]

And why they didn't give you a stage?

[Ray J]

Can I get it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Why weren't you on a stage at One Music Fest?

[Ray J]

No, I was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You started on stage?

[Ray J]

I was on stage with rsvp.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay.

[Ray J]

Gotcha. Okay. Rsvp. I told them all to come down now. I had on a Balenciaga sweat jumpsuit. It was hot. So I. I pulled it down, and then it became like a dress or whatever, right?

[DJ Envy]

Yep.

[Ray J]

And then I had the boots from Teemu. I just got them a couple days before. It was like 12.99 dope. And I just don't know what else happened. I thought I did a good job.

[Host]

I think you served your core audience.

[DJ Envy]

Served your core audience.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think he did a good job, niece?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I love my uncle.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, she.

[Ray J]

She probably didn't see the whole thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't see the whole thing either. I just saw clips. To me, it was. It seemed very on brand. It was super Ray to me. I was, like, raised before. Ray's one of the greatest entertainers walking the face of the earth. He was out there entertaining.

[Ray J]

I felt that way, but it didn't look that way. Yeah, it looked a little different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did it make you want to get in shape and get you, you know, like, get well?

[Ray J]

Everybody keeps saying I'm the only, like, person with a belly and a six pack.

[DJ Envy]

That's what they kept saying. Yes, they did say yes.

[Ray J]

Cause you know what? I hold my. My kids like this. I don't hold them like this. So my belly's out and Then it naturally just kind of. But if I just sucked it in, everything will be good. But I think that. Yeah, but I do want to go to the gym, you know?

[DJ Envy]

Have you heard his new record, Stripper Bow?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stripper Pole.

[Ray J]

Stripper Bow. Stripper Bow is lit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's crazy.

[Host]

No, I still play a little.

[DJ Envy]

But the record is a dope record.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Play it.

[DJ Envy]

But coming from Ray J, sounds a little crazy. Why? Because he throws a lot of out there. A lot of my. At this house. My. At that house.

[Host]

But the record in front of your knees.

[DJ Envy]

No, the wreck.

[Ray J]

My niece is lit. She's grown, okay?

[DJ Envy]

The record is dope. She looking at you like I'm old enough.

[Host]

I just want to be respectful.

[Ray J]

You just grown. Don't have Brandy mad at us. No, I mean, come on, Rah. Rah's lit. But the record is dope.

[DJ Envy]

But why do you go that way in your record? Because, you know, you said you want to get back with your wife and have your family together, but then in that record, you. I got a. In this penthouse, and I got a. In this house. I got a here. I got a here.

[Ray J]

Guys are just.

[Host]

That's a valid question, right?

[Ray J]

The record is going. Wait, let me. Let me. Let me. Let me tell you guys, you guys have gotten. You guys have gotten. You guys are the greatest of all time. I mean, you guys.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Radio hall of fame.

[Ray J]

Yes, I know.

[DJ Envy]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, you guys.

[Ray J]

It's going crazy in the club, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you play it over the speakers?

[Ray J]

Yeah, I can't do with the speakers.

[Host]

Oh, I saw the video.

[Ray J]

DJ Envy. I'mma get the gold. Let's go. Got so hot I'm sweating in the snow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Michelo.

[Ray J]

I love the Nicolo Ultra W. I make honey, yeah on my tippy toes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Ray J]

I just hit and go. Let's go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The fact you don't have t Pain on this is crazy. Yeah, that's because T Pain is all over Twitch now. You used to have t Pain on this.

[Ray J]

I hit Pain that. Oh, yeah. Yo, hit maker said he gonna do the remix with Pain and Ross and. And he got this idea. So for the remix, it'll go crazy. Shout out to Truth. And then I have a clean version coming, too.

[Host]

What's the clean.

[DJ Envy]

The record is the clean version, just.

[Ray J]

Without all of the curse words. Yeah, because at first, when you mute it, it just don't have. It's no song. You gonna play an Envy with the queen? I like.

[DJ Envy]

I like the record. The record is dope. It's A club record. I heard the record. I'm like, the record is dope.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You still have sex with scribbles?

[Ray J]

I do.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Ray J]

I do. I do here and there. But I'm not. I'm really not a sexaholic at all, though. Yeah, I just. I'm very focused right now. So Sheila tell you, like, shout out to Sheila on the love cabin. We got the show on Zeus. It's going crazy.

[DJ Envy]

They got mad questions for Sheila in the chat that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What questions y' all got for Sheila?

[Host]

Is that the same person?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We still got a lot to get.

[DJ Envy]

To with Ray Jill, so.

[Host]

Wait, please. Sheila, you gotta come.

[Ray J]

I gotta understand. And then we gotta make sure we get. We gotta make sure we get Sarah up here, too.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Ray J]

Reggie, I just sold my car online.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's go, Grandpa. Wait, you did?

[Ray J]

Yep. On Carvana. Just put in the license plate, answered a few questions, got an offer in minutes. Easier than setting up that new digital picture frame.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't say.

[Ray J]

Yeah, they're even picking it up tomorrow. Talk about fast.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow. Way to go.

[Ray J]

So about that picture frame. Ah, forget about it. Until Carvana makes one, I'm not interested.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Car selling made easy on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply.

[Host]

Sure.

[DJ Envy]

Sheila come, right?

[Ray J]

We're after this like in another. In another.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In another.

[Ray J]

Yeah, in another segment.

[DJ Envy]

You don't want to come this segment.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not this segment.

[Ray J]

Yeah, we love you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Pick Sheila's mic.

[DJ Envy]

Sheila's mic.

[Ray J]

And what's crazy is that I saw you make.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw on Shade Room, you had this young lady crying.

[DJ Envy]

She was crying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not gonna lie. It was a part of me. I was like, that's kind of player. Just a little bit.

[DJ Envy]

What? They made it cry?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, just a little bit. Just. Just the way this the way, Rick, because I. Once again, I can't tell when Ray J being serious. Like, he's just entertaining us.

[Ray J]

Well, it was just all about the chat.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It wasn't a joke.

[DJ Envy]

No, she wasn't. Not with her crying.

[Host]

So, no, y' all are in.

[Ray J]

Are you gonna.

[Host]

What is.

[Ray J]

You know, if you do, you do.

[DJ Envy]

But to the mic, Sheila.

[Host]

Yeah, Come a little closer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sheila's on Love Cabin.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Ray J]

Shout out to Zeus and shout out to Lemmy. Shout out to the Zeus network. They've been. They've been powered us up, man, to go even further, even with Tronics, and I'm looking forward to it. Shout out to Lemmy. He sees a new vision for Even Tronics and what we're doing as a whole in reality. So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So. So, Sheila, you're holding Ray J down till he goes back to his family. How does that feel?

[Ray J]

That is crazy.

[Sheila]

You know what? Let me say this. Ray J and I are really good friends.

[Ray J]

You know, you're looking good today, Sheila.

[Sheila]

Thank you so much. I may cry, I may not, but.

[DJ Envy]

Are y' all more than friends or y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Sheila]

We're really good friends.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What are you crying? What were you crying over?

[Sheila]

You can do what you want with that information.

[Ray J]

Sheila was crying because she couldn't be on the. On the front desk. And the back desk was where her office was with Clark and they were doing their streams. I thought you was, but I saw.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You say that you wanted to go.

[Ray J]

Back to your family, but that wasn't what she was crying for and clip things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what she was crying for? Because I was like, yo, I'm on the front desk. You have to do this desk and you can work your way up to the front desk. But right now, this is my chat. You have your chat. Clark has his chat.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got you.

[DJ Envy]

She's scared you're gonna fall for him, and then he, you know, you get connected and he leaves for go. Goes back to his family.

[Sheila]

No, not necessarily. You know, that wasn't my first time I cried. That was, like, probably my fourth time crying.

[Ray J]

Well, because she. Well, and I like the week. I respect everybody that cry. Some people. And I don't. I don't know. People's water based. Right. But some people cry more than others. So she cries a lot.

[Host]

Okay.

[Ray J]

Just even when she's happy or sad. Right.

[Sheila]

I mean, I'm a cancer, y'. All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me too.

[Sheila]

You're a cancer as much as me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm more like. I do, but not a lot.

[Sheila]

But you understand, like, I'm kind.

[Ray J]

Like, I don't see you as a cry.

[Sheila]

June Cancer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What number? June what?

[Sheila]

June 26th.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah, I'm 29th. Okay.

[Sheila]

Okay.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Right, Right. Okay.

[Sheila]

So. So you kind of understand where I'm coming from. Right?

[Host]

So the first time you cried about the. Or the last time we saw it was the desk. What were the other issues that we.

[Sheila]

I honestly cry about anything. Like, if. If he tells me he doesn't like my. My hair, I'll cry. Like, it's just.

[Ray J]

But I love your hair.

[Sheila]

No, I know.

[Ray J]

I'm just making a mess. I love your hair now, and I love your hair yesterday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So.

[Sheila]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

So where do you want us to go?

[Ray J]

What?

[DJ Envy]

Cause, Pete, that's what the chat is asking. Like, where do you want this relationship to go? Do you want it to be serious? You want it to be serious with Ray J?

[Ray J]

Of course.

[Host]

This is a relationship.

[Sheila]

Yeah, for sure. This is a relationship. This is a great. This is a really good friendship. It's a good. Does it start to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray said we go together.

[DJ Envy]

Cause once you bump uglies, it goes to another world.

[Sheila]

We're really good friends, Ray. Right?

[Ray J]

Absolutely. But Love Cabin is going crazy. In all new episodes Sunday on Zeus.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why do you have her on your knees, though?

[Ray J]

This is the first time they ever been. Well, they actually got into a spat before when they didn't know each other, and they haven't worked it out yet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, Rah Rah said you don't like her, and.

[Ray J]

But we're gonna work it out. Listen, no, you gotta hold on. We're gonna. We're gonna.

[DJ Envy]

They had.

[Ray J]

They got into an argument about what? At a club when I wasn't there, and so they didn't know each other. And. And I haven't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sheila walked up like she was family, like, yo, what's up, Rah Rah?

[Ray J]

Well, no, no, no. It was something they. She didn't know that was my niece. And so they had got into it, and I'm like, yo, that's my niece. And so I want everything to be at peace. I'm turning a new leaf.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got all money on Rah Rah.

[Ray J]

Well, Rah Rah's my little. Yeah, we wouldn't even do that because that's my little niece, and I love her so much, and I love everything that she's doing with her career and.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me, but you got to listen to your family. When your family say they don't like somebody, is it the energy? Is it our energy?

[Ray J]

I just think we all got to sit down after this.

[DJ Envy]

After.

[Ray J]

Well, after the Breakfast Club, I think we're all going to go and have lunch. Breakfast.

[DJ Envy]

She said she got more press.

[Host]

So you expect this to go somewhere then if she. Because I thought the show was like, you're helping other people find love. You find the love, too. You're.

[DJ Envy]

No, no.

[Ray J]

This is about. This is about Love Cabin. The Love Cabin. You don't know how it's gonna it the end. Like, the last like 12 episodes are gonna go crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're not supposed to get high off your own supply. If she is a. If she is a star and she's beautiful. Testing the product.

[Ray J]

Well, you. Ray J, as the host on this show, is a different host. He's a dirtier host than most, but he's very curious and he invites himself into the competition.

[DJ Envy]

So he's trying your product.

[Sheila]

Exactly.

[Ray J]

This is a different hosting gig.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Sheila]

He's trying to find love as well.

[DJ Envy]

But are you fine with that? That he's finding. Tasting his product?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sheila, you're not the only one is with you.

[Ray J]

Well, if you watched the last episode, I was kissing Athena, which was.

[Sheila]

Athena kissed you?

[Ray J]

She kissed me. Which was.

[Sheila]

You didn't.

[Ray J]

Amazing.

[Sheila]

Athena kissed you?

[Host]

She said get it right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's okay that you're not the only one? Sheila, you fine with that?

[Sheila]

What do you. What do you mean? Like that I'm not the only one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Sheila]

In regards to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In regards to where Ray J puts his penis.

[Sheila]

Well, like I said, Ray and I were really good friends and whatever he decides to do with his penis is up.

[Ray J]

Well, my Rah Rah's here, so my niece is here, so we gotta keep penis out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ray J]

Just gotta keep. Just say. No, no, no. But I'm saying. But still, uncle. And penis is a lot.

[DJ Envy]

She's back there laughing, so she.

[Ray J]

I just don't want to do that. Like, let's do just loving.

[DJ Envy]

I'm about to tell Rah Rah to.

[Ray J]

Start questions over there. Brandy's watching. It's a lie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sorry. Brandy watching, everybody.

[Host]

How do you choose?

[Ray J]

My mom is watching.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sorry, Mom.

[Ray J]

Charlamagne. That was a lie.

[Host]

Have you met his mom too? Have you met Ray J's mom?

[Ray J]

No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And she. And you shouldn't.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I shouldn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray, that's. That's doing too much.

[Ray J]

Why is.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Why.

[Ray J]

Why do you say that?

[Host]

You met Brandon.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't. Can't. Come on.

[Sheila]

I mean, it might be a little soon, but.

[Ray J]

Well, I think that. No, I think they can meet on this because she's one of the stars of Love Cabin. So we're on an extreme Love Cabin promo tour.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Business. You she meet. Passing like business.

[Ray J]

Well, yeah. Like right now we've got an opportunity to be on one of the biggest shows in the whole wide world to promote Love Cabin with Sheila and I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And.

[Ray J]

And this is a great moment for us. For love.

[DJ Envy]

Cat like. So how did you feel when he got up?

[Ray J]

Sheila.

[DJ Envy]

Sheila. I'm sorry.

[Host]

She's wrong, girl.

[Ray J]

I like Charlotte.

[DJ Envy]

How did you feel when he was. When he professed his love and said he wants to get back with his family when you were there and together?

[Sheila]

Oh, honestly, I wasn't there at the time. When he said that on the stream, I was sleeping. But I support him whatever he. You know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I like that Shiloh thing. That's what's up.

[DJ Envy]

Sheila.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, it is Sheila.

[Ray J]

Sheila.

[DJ Envy]

Sheila.

[Ray J]

Because she spells her name with a S H. I thought I was saying it. Think about it. Oh, I wanna love you too.

[Host]

I have a question.

[DJ Envy]

So you were in the bed in the back when he was on the stream that day?

[Sheila]

I went to sleep because you know, I was. I cried all night.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I want Ray back with Princess too, because that's when I saw Ray at his most stable when Ray was with Princess. That's. That's the Ray.

[DJ Envy]

Well, Princess asked the one in the back as well too.

[Host]

I was about to ask how does Princess love feel about Sheila?

[Ray J]

And I think Princess is in a place where she has her nail shop. She's been super focused on work and really just trying to build her business. And so I haven't really got a chance to talk too much about it. But I know that I'm there for the kids and for her financially and for love as well.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Rah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Rah. That's what you want, right? Ray back with Princess?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I want both of them to be very happy. I love them both.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See Ray.

[DJ Envy]

Ray says she wants both of them to be happy.

[Ray J]

You go to the nail shop a lot? You. You and Princess. Have you. Wow. From Prella Nail shop. Umbrella beauty bar.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. Sheila, can we talk to Ray about some pressing issues for sure, please?

[Sheila]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right. I'm not trying to tell you to.

[Host]

Move this used to the back desk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The back. Yeah.

[Ray J]

So I think that's going to go back.

[Sheila]

Go to the back desk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I think you go to the back there.

[Ray J]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold it down, Sheila.

[DJ Envy]

Cry.

[Sheila]

Does anyone have tissues?

[Ray J]

We all got to advance to different. I would not do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Told me I wasn't.

[Ray J]

I would never do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like it was crazy.

[Ray J]

Early career, but now you've grown into and you keep it low key and you got my name right, Sheila. That's right. Mega mobileness.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I am not. I'm not. No. Thank you. Sh.

[Ray J]

I love that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Appreciate you. That's a nice bag and everything. Did buy you that.

[Sheila]

No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Ray J]

Thank you. But what did I buy you? Everything else, Ray.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got a type. I just want you to know that I watched the stripper pole video. Scrippable. You got.

[Ray J]

Yeah, I say everything else I got.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

For her now, Ray.

[Ray J]

I got more to give.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's talk about part of. Part of turning the corner for Ray.

[Ray J]

I love you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

RA is putting everything behind you with this Kardashian sex tape. Now, when you look back. When you look back.

[Ray J]

I didn't bring this up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, listen, when you look back at everything with the Kardashians, the tapes and the public back and forth, the legal threats, what do you feel? People still misunderstand about your side of the story?

[Ray J]

Oh, yeah. Well, I haven't talked to my lawyers enough to know if legally I can go into. Into. Into it all the way yet. But I just. I have a daughter. I have a son, and I love my daughter so much, and I love my son and my niece and. And. And just if I was to die today, I think there's a lot of things that would be misunderstood about my story and about just the overall life that I lived. And I don't know if it's called legacy or just your biography, you know, from life to death. And before it's done, I just feel like there's a few things that I need to make sure we have understood from an overall situation. And again, this isn't me. This is. This is something that's been going on every year for 20 years, like to this year. Not on my side, on the other side. And so I'm. I'm not bringing this back up 20 years later. I'm not, like, sparking this back up to get some money. It's not about that. It's just about the truth. And it's not even about me wanting the truth now. This is about the other side every year doing something to me and not. And it's been happening every year of my life. I'm talking about in 2025. It's a lot of things that people don't know, and it's happening now.

[DJ Envy]

But, you know, the sad thing about it is I feel like we forget.

[Ray J]

About that tape, right?

[DJ Envy]

And we think about all the other things that you do. The show, the electronics and the thing. I don't think we talk about that as much.

[Ray J]

Nobody knows about the show. Nobody talk about the electronics. Nobody talks about.

[DJ Envy]

Well, those are things I think we should highlight because you did amazing things in that space that we don't talk about.

[Ray J]

But we all know, like, when you're Dealing with tech and when you're dealing with, you know, partners, the discreetness of success and money and, and what you do is, is, is something that you got to keep disciplined. Right? You, you have to discipline yourself not to expose these businesses and the numbers. And because you can't gloat about it.

[DJ Envy]

You feel like that tape holds you back. Like, we seen Kim do a collab with Nike. We seen Kim do a collab with the NBA. Do you feel like it holds you back from doing things?

[Ray J]

Do you feel like that?

[DJ Envy]

I don't know.

[Ray J]

You know?

[DJ Envy]

No, I don't know. Because the reason I say I don't know is there's other things to Ray J than just that tape. Like, we'll see.

[Ray J]

And that's why I've been coloring, I've been coloring outside the line that's building businesses. That doesn't have anything to do with public perception. If we run a business and we making 80 or 90 million a year, there's no reason for me to say that with my partners in the board wanting to keep a very solid, low key business and to keep things discreet. So if we made $500 million, we couldn't, we can't, we can't do that. We can't talk about money because first off, it's not relatable. And, and nobody can relate to numbers knowing that. The EBITDA numbers could be 1% or it could be 10% or 70%. Right? So I can make 100 million. My EBIT is 1%. That's, I didn't make anything. I made 100 million. And so I think just keeping that kind of side of the business quiet is always showing good discipline to your partners. If you want to do business with people in that kind of, in that kind of space. And we all know that. That's why when people say, oh, y' all making money. Charlamagne, you gotta, you like, man, I don't know what you're talking about, but.

[Host]

I think, but exactly, but I think what exactly trying to say is that people don't take a lot of, not even that we don't know you're successful. But people don't take certain things serious. And there's been, we're trying to figure out if you think it's because the way you've been painted following the sex tape. Because even if you're successful, there is kind of this conversation about the big empire she's been able to build. And then, and then you on the other side and the way that people perceive you.

[Ray J]

Well, I Talked to a big. A big journalist, has one of the biggest news shows of all time. I sent him information just like I sent you, just so you guys can see what this is. You saw the impact of what happened after. Right? And I'm not going to speak on that. But what he said was, up until what I've. What you sent me, I thought you were a narcissist, Ray J. I thought you were. And he said, and I'm gonna keep it real. A piece of you did this to a girl who, who was trying to just live her life. You. She overcame you, she became successful. You made a little bit of money, you embarrassed yourself, you embarrassed your. Your sister, you embarrassed your mom, you embarrassed your family. That's how I thought about you up until now. What? You showed me that. And that's mainstream America. Yeah, but it's crazy. Listen, it's more than that, though, because that's mainstream America.

[DJ Envy]

We know you, so we know the different side.

[Ray J]

We're talking about American Idol, we're talking about Dancing with the Stars, we're talking about Marvel, we're talking about anything that rose into an A list format of business that's not there. So what do I do? We color outside the lines and we become successful. Successful in other areas.

[DJ Envy]

It's more than that. Like when, when they look at you, sometimes they see your highlights. We know you from differently.

[Host]

Right?

[DJ Envy]

But if you look at Ray's highlights outside of that sex tape, they might see you pushing your wife into the pool. They might see you drunk online, saying some wild shit.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

Shout out to Princess. No, I didn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shit.

[Host]

What happened? She tripped. She fell into the pool.

[Ray J]

That's not okay.

[DJ Envy]

But there's other things outside of that sex tape that would make Ray look bad. Not just that sex tape.

[Ray J]

Don't go.

[DJ Envy]

You see what I'm saying?

[Host]

That was not a good moment, Ray.

[Ray J]

It wasn't. And again, I've done over 5,000 hours of reality TV. Correct. And we've. We've built successful businesses with Viacom. We built successful businesses with Zeus.

[DJ Envy]

Correct.

[Ray J]

Now we have Zeus Power and Tronics, which is about to be another level. Shout out to Lemmy and shout out to the infrastructure that they have there with him being a scientist and things move forward. It still doesn't take away from my daughter and my son knowing everything and everything is being complete as far as who I really am in my story. And I don't. And I don't. I can't. I don't know if we went really deep with this. And I'm in trouble because I know legally, I can't really speak until we figure this out. But it does reflect on how I interact and how I project myself to people. Because once I'm. Once I say I'm done, and I'm on another level and I'm, you know, a different person. I need everything to be complete with that, because if that's not complete, then I'm gonna stay turned up until everything is complete.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do want to say one thing with the sex tape, and mainstream America should know this. That sex tape could not be sold and distributed without everybody's consent.

[Host]

I think everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bottom line, point blank, period.

[Ray J]

I don't think everybody knows about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think everybody knows.

[Ray J]

See, that's the. See, and that's what I'm saying. When I see y' all talk about it, y' all kindly go. I think everybody knows that. Everybody knows something. Everybody feels something. Let it be known. Ask the questions. Ask the questions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Everybody had to give their consent in order for that tape.

[Ray J]

And if y' all are with the culture, let me ask the real question.

[Host]

Okay, Let me ask you a couple questions, and you just answer.

[Ray J]

Can I text you that question asked?

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Ray J]

Yeah. In the meantime, I'mma text Charlemagne in the meantime.

[Host]

Right? So we going. You going to text us that?

[DJ Envy]

No, it's good.

[Ray J]

It's good. No, because this is the question to ask.

[DJ Envy]

I'm with you 1,000%.

[Host]

Okay.

[Ray J]

This is one question or two questions to ask. And if the culture can get that cleared, then we. We can all be clear. And I can move on with my life, and I can love my daughter and son, and I'll be worried about them fighting for, like, my image and what. Who I really am. Like, that. It really hurts me. That's the only thing that makes me cry and makes me, like, feel bad.

[DJ Envy]

Kids.

[Ray J]

I don't want my kids to have to deal with what I'm dealing with.

[Host]

Have you had a conversation?

[Ray J]

I know they're young, but they're too young. But they're almost there. That's what scaring me is that I told myself before, they actually see it and get it. I have to do my job. If not, I can't. I can't live here.

[DJ Envy]

I get you. Can you pull it off the sites? Is it possible?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not about.

[Ray J]

It's not about pulling all the size. My phone is. Give me one of your phones. I'm gonna just show him in a text. I'm gonna just show him what I'm do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think the public narrative would have been different for you, Ray, if you had the same level of PR machinery that the Kardashians got?

[Ray J]

Man, it hurts to talk about it, bro. I don't want to get emotional, because I just want to do. I want to be a good person.

[DJ Envy]

Well, if he say.

[Ray J]

And when I say I want to be a good, good person, I'm already a good person. It's just.

[DJ Envy]

Or if he wasn't black.

[Ray J]

Exactly. But you see, you don't go that hard for me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But if you wasn't black, Ray. Cuz you got a lot of props from. For your penis in that video. If you wasn't black, you wouldn't have got those.

[Host]

I thought we said we weren't doing that word with his niece. His niece here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sorry.

[Host]

So, Ray J. The. Can you talk about what's in the actual doc? Because people were surprised, too, that there were two tapes that y' all shot.

[Ray J]

Okay, hold on.

[Host]

I'm giving Charlotte, Try to talk to the mic.

[DJ Envy]

He's doing something. I hold his mic. Pause.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is how the tape started. That's exactly what Chris Jenner said. Chris Jenner, you hold the mic.

[DJ Envy]

Send it to Lauren. You don't ask that. Or maybe you can.

[Ray J]

Lauren, you don't ask that. You. You are a good.

[DJ Envy]

Because I don't know what it's gonna be. All right, See, I know he can't ask it.

[Ray J]

Listen, now, now, now for the. Now for the culture.

[DJ Envy]

Journalistic way.

[Ray J]

Now for the culture. Demand those two questions being asked as the culture. And then I could sit back and I can just chill. And I. And. And there's no.

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[Ray J]

Now, okay, so let's.

[Host]

Let's start.

[Ray J]

So now listen. Steve Hurst, like, Lauren is asking the questions, not me. Shout out to my lawyers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Steve Hirsch is the president of Vivid.

[Host]

Yes. Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I'm gonna tell you how I know that. I used to work for Wendy Williams. That's how I know these things.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah.

[Host]

So Vivid is the porn company at. The tape came out on. Steve Hirsch is or was the president of Vivid. Correct?

[Ray J]

Correct.

[Host]

Who introduced you to Steve Hirsch?

[Ray J]

That's the question I want you to ask the other side. That's not the question for me. That's the question that. No, no, this is serious on the dead homies.

[DJ Envy]

The other side will never come up here.

[Ray J]

No, no, no. It's not about the other side coming up. Okay?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because, you know, we had this conversation.

[Ray J]

What? They're dead, so they're fine.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Host]

Okay.

[Ray J]

Shout out to the dad.

[DJ Envy]

What's the second question?

[Host]

So who was.

[Ray J]

No, I'm saying you have to. You have to demand that as a culture from the other side.

[DJ Envy]

Okay?

[Ray J]

That's what I'm talking about. Nobody's doing that. They're just. You're just letting it. We just. We're just letting it fly by.

[Host]

When you were having conversations with Steve Hirsch, who from the other side was also in the conversation?

[Ray J]

Who introduced me to him? Is the question.

[DJ Envy]

The mom.

[Host]

Okay, so second question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray's team is like, stop.

[Ray J]

I can't.

[DJ Envy]

He's not. He's not answering.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's too much. If it's too much, we don't want him to get in no legal trouble.

[Ray J]

Yeah, no. Okay, okay. Here's what's crazy. Spiral or Spiral or whatever that nigga's name is. He gonna hit y' all with the too right after this. Yeah, Y' all gonna get hit, and everybody got hit, and that's where you go. Red flags. That's where it should be. Red flags in every. Every aspect.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But is he talking to the mic right?

[DJ Envy]

What's the other question, Laura?

[Host]

So the second question is, who is the person that put the sex tape together?

[DJ Envy]

He's not gonna answer. He's not gonna answer. He said he wants to.

[Host]

These are not for me in the document.

[Ray J]

These are not for me. These are for you to demand it from the other side as my friends.

[DJ Envy]

Gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Ray J]

DJ Envy.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, sir.

[Ray J]

You said you have my back.

[DJ Envy]

I do.

[Ray J]

Find these questions out. Lauren, you're a big journalist. You come from TMZ and every other place that's at the top of the spot. Demand that question be answered. Charlemagne, I want you to, too. I don't know how to say it like I said it about them, but you are the one that could be like, we demand it as a culture, because at the end of the day, this could be some civil rights shit. Like, if you really think about it. But y' all not thinking about it like that, and nobody really is, because money talks and runs the marathon, and nobody wants to up the check. Y', all. Y' all already got your bag. But when you getting lawsuit after lawsuit and cease and desist, y', all, they pressing. What? Why is it worth it? You gotta fall back as a unit, as an iHeart board. Like, I might even call Paul and tell him I'm dying out here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who is Paul?

[Ray J]

Paul Cravino.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who the hell is that?

[Ray J]

Don't do that. I love you.

[DJ Envy]

I don't know who Paul is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Ray J]

Did you Google it real quick?

[Host]

Did you see the statement that Spiro dropped? Oh, the. A film producer.

[Ray J]

No, it's.

[Host]

That's who came up for me.

[Ray J]

Pause the big dog at I heart.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, he's not.

[Host]

Film producer came up for me.

[Ray J]

Bob.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, don't say that, David.

[Host]

Oh, no. Hold on.

[Ray J]

Yeah, you guys are playing.

[Host]

So Paul Cravino, according to LinkedIn, I heard media, he's division president. What division y' all don't know is oh in la? Because he's listed in la. I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, it must be la.

[Host]

I just got la, so I wouldn't know.

[Ray J]

He's Bob's number two. Okay, okay, okay. Are we good with that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, so listen.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Okay, wait.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said before that you were painted as. As the villain. How does a black man fight a machine this big? When you're dealing with the legal team, reality show Empire, the global brand of the Kardashians, how do you fight that and protect your reputation at the same time?

[Ray J]

Support.

[DJ Envy]

Said he can't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are you listening to Support?

[Ray J]

Yes, Support. Ask the questions, demand the answers. And if they don't come back, it's a red flag. If they do come back, whether it's under oath or not, and it's wrong, that's when you guys do your job, right? But I guess all of this is under the table because we don't matter. Obviously this is some kind of like, joke and some kind of 25 year span, I don't give a. This is not me. If I could talk more, I'm not doing this. This is not me. This is what I'm going through right now, legally with them that's making it public. And now I'm getting suits saying I'm doing this and doing that. I got one outside of arbitration, outside of everything else that's supposed to be, I can't say anything else.

[DJ Envy]

Do you sign an NDA where you can't talk because.

[Ray J]

No, I just don't know if this is okay right now because it just happened. So I have to call my lawyers because.

[Host]

But even in the settlement that y' all did, there Weren't things on both sides where, like, you also can't do and say things.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Things.

[Host]

Because the stream is what kicked it off the stream. Well, the stream took it to a different. It brought it to these documents that we didn't.

[Ray J]

I was already there. It was just an arbitration.

[Host]

Oh, so y' all had already been.

[Ray J]

It was already at a high level where I felt like I was a slave and I was. I was a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, your niece is too funny. And when you hit that hard. Er.

[Ray J]

But it was. But, but Charlamagne Charlemagne. That's not. That's not okay. Because it was. It was emotional. I know, but now we watered it down and instead of it being so powerful.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it was probably.

[DJ Envy]

And let's move on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was powerful. It was powerful.

[DJ Envy]

But at this point, Ray, I feel like if there's no NDA, you should do a documentary and be able to tell your own story because they can't sue you if it's facts.

[Ray J]

They can't sue me, period. These isn't facts. This is life. This is me, like, telling you that it's white and you're saying it's black. And they're like, well, it's blacker than white right now. Just because we don't want to get in trouble. We in season deceases because we see the pipe. The paper is white, but they're saying it's black. But a cease and desist and I don't want to fuck with their lawyers. That's what's happening. When are you guys going to come in and ask the questions for me? And if you can't, I understand that. I've had companies, I've been pressed by my board, I've created companies and had the board not want me there right off. Companies we created. I get it. And I'm not gonna.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, this is a good conversation. You start. I'm gonna tell you. Do you think the industry owes you an apology for letting one family's version of events dominate the news cycle for all these years?

[Ray J]

Once it's all said and done and they got the truth, like, if they get the truth, then I think that they'll actually shed a tear for me and they'll feel sorry for me.

[Host]

What happens when we ask these questions and we don't get responses and you.

[Ray J]

Can'T talk, you know, as a journalist, you can rewind the tapes on Joke Joe, Joe Cordone or whatever. They've already said what they didn't do. Ask them again. Ask them again and tell them to stand on it. Stand on it for the culture. One time. Answer these two questions. They owe it to the world. They owe it to their fans. They owe it to their family. They owe it to their kids. They owe it to my kids. They owe it to my, my sister. They owe it to my mom. Answer those two questions.

[DJ Envy]

You know what? I'm. See what the last thing with the.

[Ray J]

Chat, and I guarantee you you guys won't do it. Because once you start, that call is going to happen and that call's gonna shut it down. And that's what hurts me the most.

[Julian Edelman]

I don't.

[Ray J]

They're saying is, now I'll tell you what my chat is doing too.

[DJ Envy]

Now they say, you guys agreed to do a tape, y' all both got paid, and now you're changing your mind. That's what it, that's what they said.

[Ray J]

And that's what's sad because there's so much more to the story. I'm not changing anything, man. I'm the one being sued. I'm the one being pressed. If I could tell you everything, which I want to, I would. But I need to talk to my lawyers. All I want to do is say everything. I talked to Chris Cuomo and I want to, I want to do a one on one because he's been, he understands it. I don't know if I can or not, but if I can, I'm gonna do it after this. Or with Charlamagne and DJ Envy and Lauren. Just hilarious. Just is too hilarious for this.

[DJ Envy]

Let's move on. Cause you can't discuss.

[Ray J]

I'm in trouble already, bro. Like, this is bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you look at how the Kardashians handle media versus how you've handled media, what's the biggest lesson you've learned about controlling your own narrative?

[Ray J]

I don't give a fuck that's controlling the narrative. When I. How I am now, it exudes what anybody can do. And it seems like it's a crash out, but it's a voice where I. I'm speaking my voice and every day is getting heard and that's it. Whether it's a crash out or not. You look at all these other dudes that's been involved in that other situation, they're done. They're going through it. They don't work. They're mentally messed up. They're. They're. Whether you got a two billion dollar budget or you got a 200,000, everybody's done. They're going crazy, suicidal. I've been that way. All because y' all didn't listen all because y' all didn't listen and y' all didn't help me.

[DJ Envy]

That's why we don't know that you need help until you tell us.

[Ray J]

Like, I'm just.

[Host]

I've seen you post things publicly.

[Ray J]

Like, I've. I've cried out. I've cried to you. I've cried to you. DJ Envy. You won't give me your number? No, I. I found you on Instagram, and you said, call Charlemagne. I ain't in it. I said, dang, right? Where do you go from there when the culture won't help you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Ray J]

When nobody wants to ask the question. And again, everybody has a family. We can't jeopardize our food on our plate for our family. But my. My. My plate, whether it's a big plate, is supposed to be way bigger. Because if I'm able to sustain this and survive this and drop companies and sell companies and come back and crash out and survive that, too, and still be in here, like, I don't give a. Then I should be. Where should I really be? Yeah, where should I really be?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The coaches said you did this to yourself because you have a type, and Dr. Umar doesn't approve of your type.

[Ray J]

Dr. Umar is like, see that? Me and Dr. Umar had an argument. He know that He. He likes Suki. Yes, but Suki's with me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay? Okay.

[Ray J]

So he can't like Suki. So he tried to press me, And I said, Dr. Umar, don't do that, because you big, but you not big. You not that big. I'll take you on.

[Host]

You still with Suki?

[Ray J]

I'm always with Suki.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't cry, Sheila. Sheila, do not cry, Sheila. Sheila, don't cry. Sheila. Sheila, don't cry. Don't cry, Sheila.

[Ray J]

Okay, And I told Suki boyfriend that two days ago.

[Host]

Oh, oh, so this is, like, recently still.

[Ray J]

I told Suki boyfriend two days ago, stand down. Don't you ever put your hands on Suki. And we good. Other than that, y' all live your.

[Host]

Life and you still paying out, like, monthly. You hitting her off with the. What was it, 75k or something?

[Ray J]

That ain't nothing.

[Host]

Okay, my bad.

[Ray J]

I need y' all to help me, but past the other thing. All right, so let's go to another subject.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right?

[Ray J]

We're done with these things. You guys depressed?

[Sheila]

Me.

[DJ Envy]

Me, I'm sorry.

[Ray J]

And y' all hit me in the heart.

[DJ Envy]

No, I'm sorry.

[Ray J]

Because all I think about is my daughter and my son.

[DJ Envy]

I get it.

[Ray J]

And what they got to go through. In life, man. Think about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. Yeah. Being a father, how does that shift your. How does that shift how you think about the public narrative around you and also your past?

[Ray J]

Suicidal. Yeah, It's. It's unconventional. Like, because I love my daughter so much. How would she ever think of me like that? Right? Like, it kills me. I'm talking about some of this I be doing online. I just be like. I'll be just crashing out because ain't nowhere else to go. And so it's just my daughter. My son, I think can handle it, but I just want my daughter to be okay, man, and. And her to know that.

[DJ Envy]

That's. That.

[Ray J]

Whatever you hearing. Cause y' all the same age as them, as y' all grow up, so eventually y' all gonna have this bad. I rather the truth for a dollar than a billion dollars for a lie, bro. Keep your money. You. They owe me money. Keep that. Just tell the truth for one buck, and I can start over. And if people don't care, it doesn't matter about what. People don't care. They. They. We're all living right now. It's about when we die, bro. Everybody living is like, why are they doing this? I don't give a fuck about none of that. All I care about is my daughter and my son. And when I think about that, I'm a crash crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Are you talking to somebody besides Dr. Cheyenne Bryant? Are you talking to a therapist on a regular basis? Because I'm talking about suicidal thoughts.

[Ray J]

Yeah, like. I don't know, man. I just. I'm not playing, bro. It hurts me every day. I don't care how much money I made, how much money I got. I got a daughter, and I love her, and I got a son, and I love him, and I just don't want to disappoint them, bro.

[DJ Envy]

You do know life will be better with you here with them and not. Not here.

[Ray J]

You do know, bro, if I'd rather die for the truth, if I gotta die for them to know the truth, and I'd rather be exited out so they can live a good life. That's what the animals don't want.

[DJ Envy]

That.

[Ray J]

That's on the dead homies.

[DJ Envy]

You want to walk your daughter down?

[Ray J]

I'm keeping it real, bro.

[DJ Envy]

I want to take your son to his games like you want to be.

[Ray J]

Don't do that.

[DJ Envy]

And I know what I'm talking about, but you do.

[Ray J]

They help me like, they help me.

[DJ Envy]

I will call you every day when you start talking like this.

[Ray J]

Don't call me and ask the questions. Don't call me serious. Don't call me. Ask the questions.

[DJ Envy]

I am going to call you.

[Ray J]

Ask the questions. Don't call me.

[DJ Envy]

Ask the questions.

[Ray J]

Demand the questions. Demand the answers. Demand the answers, DJ Envy. Demand them, okay?

[DJ Envy]

Even if you don't get the answers, we still want you here regardless.

[Ray J]

That's just so political, people.

[DJ Envy]

Ask the questions. But I want you.

[Ray J]

If it's going to be political, then I'm gonna hit the strip club and I'm gonna be political.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, we want you here, man. You don't want nobody swearing on you because you know what I'm saying. Would you want somebody swearing on you?

[Ray J]

Ask the question. Charlamagne.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got you. That's easy. That's easy.

[Ray J]

I just.

[Host]

Okay, let's get to something more uplifting, positive in Ray J's life. So you talked about.

[Ray J]

I don't know how to go anywhere past this.

[Host]

Yo, well, you got. You said you need.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Give Ray J a hug, man. Give Ray a hug, man.

[DJ Envy]

Give Ray a hug, man.

[Ray J]

I can, bro.

[DJ Envy]

Come on, man. Come on, give me a hug, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Won the hug. Ray, since he started talking about that sex tape. Envy start thinking about that sex tape he want to put a hands on. He want to hug Ranger.

[DJ Envy]

Yo, shut up, man. I'm just going to hook my brother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shout out, bro.

[Ray J]

You got love here, man. We love him.

[DJ Envy]

Jokes is jokes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We going to ask the question.

[DJ Envy]

We're going to ask the questions, right?

[Ray J]

All right, well, so ask the questions. Ask them right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray serious, though. Yeah?

[DJ Envy]

You serious? Ask the questions. Ask the question to the public, okay?

[Host]

No, not to the public, too.

[Ray J]

It's too nothing bigger than the program. So we have to figure out if. How is that gonna work for the program? We all have boards. We all have people that's gonna figure it out. We're all bosses, but we have boards. So we're not saying nobody's the boss of nobody, but the board is bigger than the boss.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're just saying you want the question asked.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We gonna ask the question. Because I know what the end goal is. The end goal.

[Ray J]

You don't have to ask it here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But here's the thing.

[Ray J]

Ask it somewhere else. Demand it. Create the. I think create the. The. Like, the. The protest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But, Ray, I think something bigger than even asking the question. What you want is simply for them to say, we were all in this together.

[Ray J]

No, I wanted to just be very simple. I wasn't the one that was that orchestrated. I was just a tool, bro. I didn't do nothing. I never had none of that. I never had none of the sex tapes in my hand ever in life. They never been in my hand.

[Julian Edelman]

Never a tool.

[DJ Envy]

Stop it, man. You can't take anything serious, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He just said that he's a T. Was a tool. I respect. I get what he's saying. Crazy. The chat was like.

[Ray J]

Rah rah, don't want me to do no more.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen to your niece. Okay, okay.

[Ray J]

Can we bring her up here and talk about her music?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, not after you talk about your tool.

[DJ Envy]

Come on, now. We're gonna clear. We're gonna change. We're gonna change.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is not the segue. Right, Ray? Ray? That is not okay.

[Host]

Can we get another chair here for her in the mic?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is. See, y'.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all don't understand the toll this takes on a man. Spiritual hygiene. That's a great book for you to read.

[DJ Envy]

We're gonna play Rah Rah song today, too. No, she's. How you feeling, Rah Rah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Conversation.

[DJ Envy]

Welcome to the Breakfast Club, Rah Rah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, my God. Welcome.

[Host]

Bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm really glad you're here, though, cuz. Ray needs this kind of real family support around him, you know?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

No, never.

[DJ Envy]

How you feeling, Rah Rah?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The only other time I like, I'm gonna tell you.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Y' all be asking some real, real deep questions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When I see Ray with his family, when I see Ray with people like Billy, that's when I'm like, okay, Ray is in good hands.

[Ray J]

Shout out to Billy J.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People that actually care about it.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean?

[Ray J]

I get emotional when I'm up here with my niece. I can't do it.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah, he's the greatest uncle on Earth. And the greatest dad, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you think people misunderstand about him?

[Ray J]

Don't answer that. Just. Just. Let's talk about. But just. Let's talk about. No, don't bother her like that. Just have her. No, let's have her talk about. Let's have her talk about her music and. Bro, don't have her talk about this, please, Bro, I can't have her up here. I don't care. What's going on with your music. How's your music?

[DJ Envy]

She sees her uncle.

[Ray J]

It don't matter, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you need to hear that, Rick.

[Ray J]

I don't care.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You might think it's a perception.

[Ray J]

I love my little. I love my little niece. Let's not bring her into this, okay? All right. Let's just talk about her music and stuff.

[DJ Envy]

Bro, he's Amazing.

[Ray J]

Let's not do it, bro. On the bad homies, bro.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

And the. The greatest father.

[DJ Envy]

I love it.

[Ray J]

Do this time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love it.

[DJ Envy]

I love it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you feel pressure being Brandy's daughter and pursuing a singing career?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's big.

[Host]

That's some big shoes, what you saying, though.

[Sheila]

Thank you.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

No, yeah, I know it's a lot. And there's a lot coming from my uncle, too. You know, I think I get my little personality from him, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I'm real hyper, real energetic like him. And, you know, singing. Mom's mommy's like that, too, though. The whole family is. But, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.

[Ray J]

I love you, Sarah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I love you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did they want you to pursue a singer when you first told them? Like, I. I sing.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

At first. My grandma didn't as much until she heard my voice. She really wanted me to be an attorney, like a lawyer, because I'm really good at arguing. But no, I went to school for business. I got my degree and everything, so it's. It's. You know, I'm trying to do both. I want my masters, so I'm taking a year off, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

And then I might go back next year. But, yeah, no, I have my. My degree and in the studio and, you know, the new movies coming out, so I'm really excited.

[Host]

It's called Christmas every day.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Every day? Yes. Me and my mom play sisters, which is kind of weird. Yeah, it's my first movie ever. I didn't know I would like acting like that, so it was. It was great to get that opportunity.

[Host]

Wow, that's fire and then so on. So acting debut, and then you guys are talking about doing a joint project musically, you and Brandy, right?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Yeah. Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's impression.

[Host]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

That's dope.

[Ray J]

Go ahead.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, well, obviously, she's very involved in, like, what I do musically. She's vocal produced along with Troy Taylor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

He didn't.

[Ray J]

Mom. Did.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

They vocal produce me for this whole upcoming project that I'm putting out. But, yeah, they pushed me a lot, both of them, and it's really crazy. You know, people would pay a lot of money to have her in the studio. I'm like, get out. You know, like, leave me alone. But, you know, I'm so grateful. But it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot. She pushes me a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what does success look like for you?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I think I'm already successful being in this family. I can be a Nepo baby to the day I die.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Ray J]

You know what I mean?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I love it. I love watching, you know, you know, mom and Uncle Ray J and even my grandma just working in my. And my granddad, you know, working. It's like, yeah, I'm just here just sitting pretty. I can do it all day. But, you know, I love to work. I really love to work. That's why I got my degree, I went to college, all of it. I love working. And with all this stuff coming up, I'm excited. But, you know, I. I think just being around everybody and just, you know, feeling everything, I just feel like I'm already successful. I have beautiful friends, beautiful family, you know, beautiful cousins. So, you know, I'm good. Life is great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's no problem. All you got to do is create the type of art you want to make. Yeah, you can make the kind of moves you want to make. Like, there's no yeah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

And I'm so blessed because a lot of people don't have that open door, you know, it's really hard to put your foot in. And I had it. So I'm so, like, I'm so grateful. I'm so blessed. And I never want people to think that I'm, like, taking advantage of it. That's why, like, when you hear music or even the movie, like, I was in acting lessons for a month straight. I wasn't. You know, I did vocal lessons. I know how to play piano, ukulele. I was in dance. Like, I've. I've been in dance competitions. You get what I'm saying? Like, I just know that my foot was already in the door. So, like, I just wanted to work 10 times harder because it's like, it's already there. Okay, so you go to college. Well, get straight A's, and then you're in the highest honors. You know what I mean? So it's like something in me. It's like I had it. But don't let people think, you know, like, you know, you already got it. So just. No, I work a little harder. Just a little bit.

[DJ Envy]

But look at raised face.

[Ray J]

Look at right now.

[DJ Envy]

Proud, man.

[Ray J]

Look at the proud.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love it.

[Host]

What's it like being on tour with your mom and mom?

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, it's exhausting. No, it's so fun. And it's fun. It's. It's great to. To see her. And she deserves it. She really, really deserves this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the thing I think is ill about you is, like, I can see both versions, right? I can see, like, Brandi is very polished, very media trained, and you got Your uncle, who's very outspoken, says what the hell he wants. I can see both in you. But you know how to control it. I can see it. Like, you're not gonna ever get to this unless you want.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I might. Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Your mother will put you in a.

[DJ Envy]

Headlock if you have.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Oh, very much so. My mom gets like that too. Come on now. Mom's very real. You know, she is. She's quote, unquote, media drink. Okay. But no, she's just her. And, like, so is my uncle. I just. I just feel like we just don't put up a facade. Like, we're very real. You know what I mean? So if my uncle feels a certain way, if Brandi feels a certain way, if I feel a certain way, even Sonia, Sonya be, you know, talking. You know what she wants to talk about. You know what I mean? So it's like we're just real. And I don't think it in this family. I don't think we're media trained, like, you know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe we not get the Norwoods reality show.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

We did have a reality.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They did the whole family.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, it was a while ago. Yeah, 2000.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't remember the whole family.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

I was like nine in that. But no, they had.

[Ray J]

They had.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

They had two. Two seasons, right?

[Host]

Yeah, it was Brandy and Ray J. Family business, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah. Got you, got you, got you, got you, got you.

[DJ Envy]

Well, thank y' all for joining us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, man, we really appreciate it. But listen, by the way, when you see people like Ray J's niece, you understand his plight. That's right. So. So. So take that then. Factor in his kids, and you'll understand the. The fight he's. He's waging right now.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Just takes care of everything, everybody. He has a lot on his plate.

[Host]

Yeah, he has a lot of tears. Watching you takes care of a lot.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

A lot of people.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you for holding Unk down. Rah Rah.

[Rah Rah (Ray J's niece)]

Of course. Always my favorite person on earth, Ray J.

[DJ Envy]

We love you, brother.

[Ray J]

All right.

[DJ Envy]

It's the brat Sheila we see back there too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah.

[Ray J]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't. She is right, Sheila. But, you know, it's a different.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Front desk, hold up.

[Ray J]

Every day I wake up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wake your ass up. Breakfast Club.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Host]

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