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Carlos Miller
Big Bang. It is what it is, man. Bj, screen.
David Banner
You don't be on nothing.
Carlos Miller
I'll be on Baby Jade.
DJ Scream
Okay, so let me ask y'all this.
Carlos Miller
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David Banner
Big Factspod.com live from the Culture Lab and ATL, it's time for that Big Facts, Big Bank. What up, Baby JJ? What up, DJ Scream. I'm here. Welcome in today, the one and only by High Demand. Yes. We got him, B. It's all Big Facts, Baby Banner.
Carlos Miller
David B. Can I say something before we start out, man? Please? How proud I am of all y'all, man. I watch all y'all evolve. Bro, you looking good. You down 100, man. And I just been watching how your perspective, man, in your mind has been evolving over time, bro. Like, and for you to do that and for you to do that in front of people, most people that come from the background that we come from, bro, they not comfortable with that. And that's real manhood. And I'm proud of y'all. I appreciate it, man. Like, I'm looking at the studio video. I'm watching, you know. You know, we're in a different. You know what I'm saying? Do I have your. Do I have permission to. Right. And spring. You know, bro, we. Me and you have, like, talks. Two hour talks. Hour talks every time we get an opportunity to. About family. It's crazy because this thing went viral about me wanting to be married.
David Banner
And I saw that.
Carlos Miller
And children. Bro, have I always not wanted this?
David Banner
Yeah, for sure.
Carlos Miller
And the crazy thing, I put a song out on the God box that said, marry me. Yeah. Like, I've always wanted that. You know what I'm saying? And, bro, to watch you all's evolution. And I just want y'all to know what. What took me so long to come on the show was that I realized that artists have started selling out in a different way that people don't know. Right? People think selling out is selling out to the man or, you know, that has something to do with money. But they have reduced artists. People, your music is free now. They don't even think music is worth it. No matter how much money you spend on music, how dope it is, they want to know who you having sex with. They want to know who your mama is, where you are at all times.
DJ Scream
Arguing with your baby daddy, right?
Carlos Miller
And we've given it up on different platforms and not even know it. Like, everywhere that you Go. Everything that you're doing as a black man in America, I refuse to do that. So it's like, think about it, man. Think about this. Y'all really think about this. You can't name too many things that's connected with hip hop that has something positive to say about hip hop. Think about it. Rappers don't like rappers. Hip hop blogs don't like rappers. Like, don't know. It's crazy. Most people in the world don't like rappers no more. It's like it has turned in on itself, and our people have allowed that. So for you all to stay who you are, man, and to be successful, to have big TVs, white facts at the same time, I just want y'all to know I'm proud of y'all.
DJ Scream
So, look, I want to start this off right, because even though, like, you're a household name and a worldwide figure and your philanthropy, like, imminently precedes you, there may be some people out there that aren't familiar with your background and where you come from. So I want you to just talk about how it was like growing up in Jackson as a black boy, black man. Because I know a lot of people have seen, like, different movies like Mississippi Burnings and, you know, the likes of that sort, but they don't really know what it was actually like to be down there and experience that in real time.
Carlos Miller
Being in Mississippi was probably the most beautiful thing that could have happened to me in my life. One thing that I tell people all the time, my favorite type of white person on this planet is a white person from Mississippi. All I ever wanted from anybody, black, white, alien, is the truth. Can I say fuck?
David Banner
Of course it's the fucking truth, right?
Carlos Miller
And so, like, in Mississippi, if a white boy don't like you, he'll try to kill you. If the white boy like you, he'll die for you. So at least you know where you stand. Like a white boy in the hood in Mississippi, you know, he stand, though it ain't no question. And there's certain lines that you don't go across. And I would rather that then you sitting next to a white boy for 40 years, and then they soaking your pension up, and then you retire and you don't have no money. He been smiling in your face for 40 years. You feel me? So, like, Mississippi was the most beautiful thing in the world because it gave me this harsh truth that some people, especially some white people, didn't see into a trump, you know what I'm saying? Like, I remember being on cnn. And this white lady was talking and she was like, yeah, it's been a bad couple of months. And I was like, nah, it's been about 500 for BL Life, folks. 500 years. Yeah, it's been a 500 done for us. And she was like, never thought about it that way.
David Banner
Right.
Carlos Miller
You know, so for me, Mississippi was beautiful. Mississippi taught me about all the things that people front on about the South. People talk all of that stuff, but they want more land, they want, they want healthy food. Look at how they playing with our food. You feel what I'm saying now? People want to be in Mississippi, they want to be in South Carolina, they want to move to Tulsa, Oklahoma, you know what I'm saying? They want to move like, like, like they give us these wrong pictures about Africa. But that's what every continent on this planet is trying to move in and trying to co op all of the places where our people are indigenous, where the most sun is and the most land, the healthiest people, them fine women, you know what I'm saying? What juvenile say, I like the big fine womans. You know what I'm talking about?
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
And so it's like missing Mississippi. And Farrakhan told me this, like Mississippi is. You even look at the Mississippi river running, it's like Nile river in Africa, like that's the closest thing that you can get to the motherland. And so you know, that's going to be the place that's going to be the co. That's going to be co opted the most. You know, that's why I look at, you know, Mississippi and South Carolina as those places. And if you think about, if you think about the Civil War, if them other folks would have won the Civil War, Mississippi would have probably been, you know, Jackson probably would have been LA and you know, New York or what the east coast would have been considered as would have been in South Carolina. And if you look at the two main slave ports.
DJ Scream
You feel me man, that's what I was just, bro, that's what I was just getting ready to say.
Carlos Miller
So, so, so, so. And, and from an ancestral standpoint, right? Yes, right. And so, you know, for me, unless your parents came from the islands, you got to give it up to that. Yes, you got to give it up to that. And I'm so proud that God gave me an opportunity, especially being someone who cares about black people the way that I care about them. And I'll tell you all this, I had to realize something. And it's almost to the contrary of what we talked about before. But I think it's important for me to say if I, if, if, if our people knew how to treat us, and I'm speaking about big facts and David Banner, right? If they knew how to treat us, then nine times out of ten they would know how to treat themselves. And if they knew how to treat themselves and they wouldn't need us. So a lot of times we get upset because our people don't understand, but that's why we were sick. And that is part of our job. But not to the point where we put our lives and our legacy and detriment. I learned that from you, sir.
David Banner
Yes. Gotta protect our big facts. They gotta start with us. We love our people. We love the people. But you gotta take care of yourself or you won't be here.
Carlos Miller
You play Jesus and wonder why you always end up on the cross. It ain't your job to save the world. You're just supposed to get a message. Yeah, big facts, yeah. Come on, let go.
David Banner
At this point, at this point, at this point, man, you know we like to pop it on big facts too. So before we even get there, man, let em know, like obviously you had massive amounts of hit records, you know what I'm saying? Like hit records from a production standpoint.
DJ Scream
I think your name girl heal the world concept.
David Banner
Yeah, massive, you know what I'm saying? You've been on the big screen killing it, you know what I'm saying? A war worthy, you know what I'm saying? We gonna get into that for sure, for sure, for sure. But, but, but, you know, for everything that all of us have accomplished here, like, it's like when you wake up now, like what drives you? Like what's your sense of purpose? What's the next thing? Like, what motivates you?
Carlos Miller
Now I had children, bro. I wanna, I want a family. I, I really believe that the reason why we're put on this earth is, is to replenish God's. Just, just replenish God. And I think if we wanted to see God face, it would be all of our faces together. And I believe that I fail if I don't allow my DNA to continue. Like, how am I ever come back? The way that we really come back is through our seeds, through our children, you know? And I had to say, and bro, I've chased my dreams so long and so hard. Then when I finally raised my head, I realized I ran off and left everything else. Yeah, because think about it, if you got 100% right, that's all you got. Is 100% and you get 90% to your hustle, you're gonna be a shitty father, you're gonna be shitty friend, you're gonna be a shitty everything else, bro. That's why most of the people that we say that we like, you know, and basketball players and rappers and all that kind of, they. Because think about it, most basketball players don't know how to fight because they was always shooting the jump shot unless they, you know, was a down there getting rebounds or something. Then they got head. Most of the time they don't know how to be. Most of the time they don't know how to be good fathers and good friends because they were always on the basketball court. I was always under a drum machine. I was. I was always hustling. Nobody ever noticed this. Think about my 20 year run, bro. I was producing at a very high level. Think about it. Chris Brown, Maroon 5. Yeah. Lil Wayne. People don't even talk about that. When you put your actual name. David. David, David Banner before a beat. Think about that, right? Production my own albums at the level that I was putting out. I don't know if it's still the highest paying deal that wasn't a label deal came to David Banner. So you gotta think about me as David Banner, right? Then politics, then acting, then speaking. I never fucking took a break. Yeah, I didn't take a break until I literally had a physical breakdown. And what's crazy about that? People still don't give a fuck. They don't. So what I realized, man, is that you can't make anything your God but God. And I ran so fucking hard that I looked up, bro, and hadn't talked to my friends. And I realized that I had to go apologize to my friends because I used my fame as an excuse for them to be there when I had time. And that's fucked up. Yeah. You know, and because we successful people will play that game with you and smile in front of you, but that shit don't feel good, you know, I didn't have a sustainable relationship, couldn't. I was always in the studio or on set. And you gotta think when you shoot movies, you live in, you know, maybe in Arizona for two months and then I'm in New York for two months, in New Zealand for two or three months, depending on how big the production is. Right, right. And then still trying to learn that shit at the same time. Cause we don't understand the business of the game. So having to learn the business by million dollar mistakes. And you knew, bro, I was homeless I was sleeping in my van when I got my deal. So having to learn that at the same time, you got to watch the accountant, and accountant is with the lawyer, and the lawyer is playing with management. And they all running you in circles. And now we don't have sustainable. We don't have sustainable so called fame. So it ain't like you're gonna get another opportunity at that level to make that mistake the same way so you can even take advantage of it. Yeah. You know, so it's a lot.
David Banner
There's one thing you just said, you were saying about just like planting the seed and everything. It kind of. I be having my mixed opinions about the whole LeBron thing and his son, like, let your son kind of do his own thing. But do you think that that's how we should do it? Maybe more as black people, like, just put our seeds straight in position. Nepotism, as they call it.
Carlos Miller
Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Cause every other race of people do it. We the only that don't do it.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
It's so funny how they keep it right.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
No, no, you go ahead, bro. Yeah. No, I'm just saying that's how they keep it right. That's how they keep it. By passing it down. You train for this?
David Banner
Because this is what I know is that handicapping them. I guess that that was my mindset at first.
Carlos Miller
Handicapping them. You had to. You pass it down. What's in our jeans.
David Banner
Yeah. Yeah.
DJ Scream
But I don't think, like, me personally, not. Not to cut y'all up. I'm sorry. I don't necessarily look at it as a handicap, but I do see where it could be viewed as. What's the word I'm looking for? Like, I don't want to say not giving them a chance to choose their own destiny, but it's kind of like. Like not allowing them to be free part of life.
Carlos Miller
Part of black people's problem is we give ignorant people too many choices. Yep. Like, you don't. They don't fucking know nothing. They don't fucking know nothing. You don't know nothing. What you do is cause what ends up happening. Think about all of us. My dad. My dad was. He was the meanest motherfucker on this planet. 99, 98% of the stuff my dad told me was true. Thank you. He just didn't understand how he had been through so much shit. But every. Like I said, people ask me all the time, if you could talk to your dad, what would you tell him? And I would either tell him you right or I'm sorry, fuck. Like all of that knowledge, all of that information, we usually don't start listening until we about their age. And then we'd have pissed it all away. See, that's what America tries to get us to do. If that's the case, then the president would be younger. See, America lets us do certain things so that we can stay in these boxes. But they don't do that in the army. They don't do that in the things that mean the most to them. Yeah, Will Smith said it the best. He said that it is my job. He said. He said it's my job to my. He said, I am the bow, my child is the arrow. It is my job to point my child in the right direction. Now, as my child gets older, they have the power to will the wind. And the wind can take them where they want to go. But I even think about my dad in music. It's like my dad didn't. My dad said, boy, you should be a banker. But I was reading on in the third grade, I was reading on a junior level, I mean a junior college level. When I was in kindergarten, I could count to a million, like easy. And so my dad was like, you're smart, you should be a banker. But he didn't understand until I brought a $70,000 check home from, from an independent distributor. And until my mama told him like that boy make $10 a CD, he get his CDs for a dollar. He said on the he made. I said I was selling at the time like seven to eight to nine CDs an hour. Yeah, my mom, she did the numbers for my dad and showed my dad he made more money than you. He was like, for real. And so when I brought that seventy thousand dollar check home, guess what my dad told me? My dad literally said this. What the you doing? Why are you standing here? I was like, what do you mean? He was like, if you make this much money rapping, why the you ain't rapping now you dead serious. And that's the same way he told me. He was like, big bro, I don't even know if I should do this music no more. It don't make sense monetarily. I can sit in my house doing something I love and people just want to watch me do it. You'll be a fool if you didn't. You'll be a damn fool. So to answer your question directly, if we have the opportunity to put our children think about this. If we start here right and we make it here but we get an opportunity to put our children or at least allow them to start here. Why would they want to do something else when they already are right here? Right. The problem is, and I actually researched this, I did research on this. The problem is, is that we take the pain from our children. The pain is what made all of us who we are, every one of us. You don't take the pain away from the children. You take danger from them. And there's difference. Like I was just watching this. Kenny Smith was talking about one of the biggest families that's in plumbing. Before any of the children can get any of the higher level money, they got to be a plumber first. And the father told them you need to know every aspect of plumbing so that if anything happened, then you know how to do it. If the plumbing go out in our bathroom right now, you know how to at least do that. So what you do is you don't take the pain. They gotta go through the. And if they too lazy to go through the pain, then they little ass. Yeah, they deserve to suck. It ain't for them. I told you the new me, even if it's my child, if you're a lazy, you deserve your sister gonna get it then or some other kid that deserved it. We'll just put some in the contract that said some of that money gotta revert back to your children and hopefully they won't be lazy. Is that a little hard? I hope so. Don't take the pain off the ass. What they say in the Bible, Spare the rod, quicken the Regina. Yep. Spare the rod. Quicking the. Quicken the child to the grave or spare the rod and what spoil the child. Y. You got to put that rod on the ass. That's frowned upon these days though. Well, like when you. When you. I'm just saying like even. Even outside, like your kid, that's. That's a number your kid can call and say you. You mentally abusing them folks. Come pick your ass up. Cause you. You get your little ass in there.
David Banner
For being a parent.
Carlos Miller
I've been having nightmares about that. Like he kid different these days, man. Bro, the kids are different because we allow other people to raise our children. See, think about this. We are. We are some. We are. We are some few people. People on this planet who allow the same people. I said this and I say this about religion. I say this about business. They didn't want you on earth. Why would they give you the key to heaven? The number. The thing that makes a powerful America is family. So why Would they. Why would they let you build a good family? They did everything in slavery to keep you away from a family. Think about that. That was the main thing that they did. So why would they let you really raise your kids? Yeah, Right. So if you. If you. If, If. If your kid depends more on the system than they do on you, then who controls your children?
DJ Scream
The system.
Carlos Miller
The system. This not hard what the system is, though. Oh, come on, man. America. I'm saying what you feel like. What you feel like the system stand on white supremacy. It's easy in which way And. And just making sure that white people stay in a position of power and are able to control resources, things and people. So do you think they deliberately tear down powerful black men? Of course. Why wouldn't they? They always have. That's. See, I don't. I don't talk about things I think about. Just go look up cointelpro. What is it called? Quarantel Pro. Like the government did it. Like, it's. You can go right now and look at files and. And the government will send it to you. Yeah. Patrice Lumumba family sent me a whole government file that was released by the American government talking about all the things that they did to Patrice Lumumba. It's. That's one of the reasons why they don't want us to read certain books. They don't want us like, how are you going to tell us this thing I never understood, and you're tricking me into it again. I told him I was gonna come on here political. I said, I'm not gonna do it. No, but, but, but he said that's important to him. If it's important. But no, it's. It's government files. Look at what they did to Malcolm and Martin. It's one of the things that we have to start learning. And it's the same thing with cops killing black kids. Until we convince our people that it's a systemic problem, we take everything by case. Oh, this is a case. This is just a case. No, this shit is happening together. It's Spider Whale. Right? Right. But what I'll tell y'all is this, man, I am at a point in my life where I don't even think about white people. I don't. I don't think about nothing but us. We spend so much time focused on other people that all we got to do. Just think about this. I say this all the time. If everybody right now that tuned in to big facts went to davidbanna.com right now about anything, I got something from $1 to 250. If everybody. How many followers y'all get? About.
David Banner
Approximately a couple hundred thousand. Social media, but collectively, damn near a million. Collectively, yeah.
Carlos Miller
So if everybody paid $1, I could make a movie with a million dollars. If everybody bought the God box, that's 250. That's 250. Look at how much money that is. Collective, really. A collective movement of people who are just not freeloading. Most people just want our information, and we got to go to sponsors in order to get our money. But you getting it directly from us. How dare people want music and you give all of your money to Spotify. I spent $1.5 million on positive rap music. Don't nobody give a about that. They get their money. They get their money to Apple. And think about it. We give them to tech companies. I wouldn't even be as emotional if we would give it to music companies. Most of these companies, music is the last thing that they care about. Go on. Apple pays. That's the. And that's the thing black folks care about the most. And then you won't give your money to people who don't give a. Music is the thing that they care about the least. Think about it. They sell computers. Yeah.
DJ Scream
And technology, right?
Carlos Miller
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But y'all running the money over there to Apple, right? And they only give a. About. We give all of our money, and music mean the world of black folks. Yeah. And we spend frivolously. That's what I told y'all before, right? We give our constituency to people who treat us more like elite white men.
David Banner
What you think about artists selling their catalogs then? Like, selling, like cashing out.
Carlos Miller
Well, I don't. I don't really care, like, to be honest with you. I don't care about what no other person does. Like, to me, that's so catty. Like, if a person wants to sell they. They catalog, they want to sell they. Whatever they want to sell. That ain't my business.
David Banner
Would you sell yours?
Carlos Miller
I don't know.
David Banner
Okay.
Carlos Miller
It's hard to say what you would do it to a person presented to you. And the difference between me, that's sort of like how I told people, you know, I'm the biggest proponent for independence. Right. But in my particular case, signing the deal wasn't nothing better than that for me because I had a bigger play. I knew I wanted to be a movie star. I knew that if I. With the fame, that I could get the money. Money ain't never been no problem to me. Like money, like leaves on trees. That's why I dress the way that I do. That's why I act the way that I do. I can be free because I know how to go and get money. I don't always like to do some of the things that I have to do in order to get money. Money. But the truth is, I know what people want from me. You know, I knew that folks would go like Missouri Slim. I could do that without feeling like my soul was being split. Cause I'm active. Yeah, but, like, that's what the come from, right? You know, And. And some of that stuff wasn't on that page. That came from my office. You know what I'm saying? That's what we come from. And we gotta stop letting other people, like, mold it. Like, bro, it's so funny, man. How the. That we do the best. People won't even just let us do that. Like, leave me the alone. You can't tell me nothing about that. I made, like, a pill. Be clear. You feel me? It's. It's not always. Natasha Smith taught me this. It's my responsibility, y'all, because those are our uncles, our cousins. Our aunts and I watch how we tear each other down. It's so crazy, bro. Like, all of us got friends, cousins. Or ourselves that we didn't hustle. We got cousins that. That whooped on our aunts, aunts that have cheated on our uncles, right? And we have accepted them for who they are. But we can't accept our people for who they are and show some fucking humanity. It's almost like, bro, if you look at a lot of those pictures where black folks was getting hungry, you had black folks on the side looking at that the same way. White folks. That was the entertainment picnic. Pick a. Hold on. That's what they tell the truth.
David Banner
Yeah, you're telling the truth.
Carlos Miller
That's what they do.
David Banner
Tell the truth.
Carlos Miller
That was entertainment. Most slave hands. What color did the people have on it? Think about it. They had on white. You want to know why? It just got out of church. That's what they did out the church. And then the thing. I went to a. I went to a hanging expose, bro, where they. It was. It was a museum exhibit, bro. Do you know a lot of those pictures, bro? Guess what? They were postcards from the United States post office, dog. We have always been a entertainer. That's why they don't want us to have. But how the you gonna tell us not to read a book about something you did to us? I can understand if it was something we did to you. But you over me. You beat my family. You beat the out of my family. Hey, you don't want me to read a book about it? What book they saying don't read?
DJ Scream
Oh, like the history books.
Carlos Miller
I got a whole list of history books that they trying to get out of school. Oh, yeah, bro. Oh, it's bad. And we worried about Beef. They still gonna be on the Internet though, right? It's still gonna be on the Internet.
DJ Scream
Yeah, but you know, like in schools, it's. It's a part of. Well, previously it's been a part of the total curriculum of the history of the United States. But what they're trying to do is basically whitewash that particular section of the history so that it doesn't. It's not taught as curriculum so that people younger than whatever age that has already graduated and all that kind of stuff aren't aware of the shit that we've been through previously.
Carlos Miller
That's cold. They try to. What we don't understand, understand were created. We did not come off those boats. So we as indigenous people were not. Were experimenting. That white people would have never thought that would have worked so good is just like crackers, bro. It ain't nothing but ignorant, bro. And in our cases, it's not ignorance because we chose to. It was ignorance because it was kept away from us. You would hang from a tree if you knew how to read. You feel what I'm saying? Because knowledge is knowledge. Knowledge is true freedom. If we knew how to escape, we would have. A lot of times we didn't escape because we didn't know the grounds. If we knew how. And that's the thing about all of this shit. Music, contracts, all of it. You are a slave to what the fuck you don't know, right? So if you don't know that the reason why black people act that way got a lot to do with other people and not you, then maybe you wouldn't act like that. If you knew that medicine and math, mathematics was created by black folks, you wouldn't think that shit was hard. You created mathematics. So how the is it hard? You built pyramids. How the is it hard? Facts, you know? Nah, them big old facts.
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Carlos Miller
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Carlos Miller
Hey, so let me ask you something. And I heard you quoting out the Bible like so how accurate do you think the Bible is if it came from them too? Not going to get out from the black folks in the Bible. No sir. I'm learning.
David Banner
Old sir.
Carlos Miller
Say less. You leave black folks Nikes and religion alone. Don't talk about no Nikes. I'm just trying to figure it out. But I would tell you this though. Go ahead. I will tell you this. How. Why would you trust a man that didn't love you on earth to giving you the key to heaven? Why would you trust the youngest race on this planet about God? We were the one that taught them about monotheism. That's the end of like why would we? If you are going to say that you something then if you care about God, God is supposed to be the thing that matters the most. Then why don't you go and read the original script and not how they translate it. White people have never touched anything on this planet and not corrupted. And they will tell you that history shows you that their history shows you anywhere they touch. They have totally decimated the culture of those people. So you come from God. Directly from God. Even if even. Even from a biblical standpoint. When they were looking for Jesus they went to find Jesus in the middle of a bunch of black folks, right? So Jesus looked like you. So why would you go to a white person to find out something that you are? I'm not saying that Christianity is not the way. That's not my place. But what I will say is that God is omnipotent. God is everything. How dare you let somebody who have taken everything from you give you the key to God.
DJ Scream
And and I will say this.
Carlos Miller
I know what you telling dude as think about this. Drop the mic. Think about this. Black people ran this earth. Indigenous people ran this earth. Whatever you want to say. We are Moors. We. We argue over the Things that don't matter.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Like whatever we are, African, whatever you say we are. We ran this whole earth as soon as we came in contact with whatever that they say that we believe in.
David Banner
Yeah.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Historically, we did this.
David Banner
Yes.
Carlos Miller
So I think that God uses pain to direct you.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
So if you stay in a constant feeling of pain, then that's God telling you to move in a different direction. But I don't blame people. They tell you you'll go to hell forever. God made you a sentient, thinking being. So if God wants you to. To challenge him or her or it. Or you'll be like a dog. Wouldn't be no need. You'd just be programmed like a computer. Yeah. But, like, it ain't right and it don't feel right. I'll show y'all this, and then I'm gonna move on. Yeah.
DJ Scream
Cause I got a question I need to ask you.
Carlos Miller
Watch this. Well, I gotta follow up today. When little bitty kids. I believe that the closest thing to God are children. Elders.
David Banner
I agree.
Carlos Miller
And I'm just asking a question. I'm just. I'm. David Banner is not answering this. I'm just asking, what do children do when they go to church? Cry. And what else?
David Banner
Sleep. Sleep, man.
Carlos Miller
It closes the dog.
DJ Scream
So why wouldn't they pay attention?
Carlos Miller
Well, whatever. I'm not saying nothing. I'm just asking questions. I said, what's your question?
DJ Scream
Now let him follow up. I got another question.
Carlos Miller
All right. Fight night on Peacock. Tune in. Yeah. Yeah. Make sure y'all go get that. Hey. I'm gonna say, like, where you think we come from originally? Like, just people. So humanity. Where you think humanity come from? So. So this is what I think. This is my opinion. I think that we all came from one place that's closest to the sun. And as we wandered away from that place, the further we went towards cold areas. Think about it. We evolved. God made us to evolve. So that's when we started mutating, you know? And the further that we got away from that place, depending on how far it was away from the sun, that's how our body adjusted to survive. So I really think that we. We are the original people. And I'm not saying something else didn't happen. You know, I read up and study on the Anunnaki and different stuff like that, but I have different perspectives. But just. If we're keeping it here, we're not bringing in any other things. Just the further that we got away from whatever we consider the motherland is, the further we Got away from the sun. Further we got away from good land, good things, good people. The more harsh the environment became, the more harsh we became as a people. Think about it. The people that, like, if you study people, you take away the emotions. Most of these people who are the most treacherous, they live in the cold. So they ain't got time to play with you. If they don't. If they don't plant at certain times, don't get serious.
David Banner
Even right here. Just in America, coldest places is cold for real.
Carlos Miller
They gotta get it like, like, like, like fighting their grandmama for some money, sell it. You know, that's neither here or there. But what I'm saying is, is that, you know, we. We evolved and to a certain degree, I guess we recessed in certain ways. So that. That's just my personal opinion. I'm a studier.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
I continue. I continue to study. But what I do want to say is that we just got to find a way to get back together. I don't think there's going to be a Kumbaya moment. I think you got too many types of black people. I actually want to write a book about it. If you really look, look at it, we get emotional, but this is. America is a lot closer to the plantation than you think it is. It's a lot of house. I didn't know it was such a thing as a yard that was right in between. You know, look at the yard.
DJ Scream
Ain't quite made it to the house, but he's a little bit better than the field.
Carlos Miller
Yeah, man, that's cold. And you look at, you look at the music business, business.
DJ Scream
Y'all are basically brown skinned. They're not light skinned or dark skinned. Yeah.
Carlos Miller
You ain't quite that executive. Yeah, still out here.
DJ Scream
But you're not necessarily an intern type.
Carlos Miller
Turn your nose up. Like most of this, bro, we. We fighting to be up under people that we don't have to be. Yeah. Like, we got this, y'all, and we just really with each other. Think about just us sitting down talking. Even though it's for big facts, it's for the show. Look at how much came out just right here. Yeah. You know, I mean, it. It may still hurt. Some of the other things that I'm doing, which I didn't want to do, but I mean.
David Banner
All right, you gotta be yourself.
Carlos Miller
How hard is it? That's what I'm saying. How hard is it to try to wear a hat that you can't fit? You know what I'm saying? Like, basically, you know, how you feel. And it's really burning through your soul. You don't want to see it because of things you got going on. How hard is that to do for you? It's. It's hard because I've done it over and over again. I built myself up. Built myself up and ran my mouth and tore it down. And people don't help you build it back up. Talk all that. What it is. They really want David Banner. Go talk that. That they feel. So they. Everybody want Jesus. They don't want to. They don't want. I think the story of Jesus. Jesus was. Jesus came down to show you how to bury your cross. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna come in the same way that you come in the same way. I'm gonna show you how to walk on water. Remember, the man was walking on water with Jesus. And they slide down and they start. They did what? They started sinking, right? Yeah. Jesus. I'm gonna come down here and show you. Black kids in America are our cross the bed. Ain't nobody else's cross. Yeah, you right. Ain't no politician gonna save you. There ain't no one pill that's gonna help you. You gotta get out there and bear that cross with your. You have to get out there and do it yourself. You feel what I'm saying?
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
So, like, what I believe, man, is that it's a lot of times I realize God didn't tell me to save nobody. That's God's job. God's supposed to save you. I'm just supposed to get a message, keep moving. If. If I continuously have a harvest and I tell people this all the time. If I had one piece of bread and I gave everybody in this room a piece of bread, right. I'm gonna be pissed off tomorrow. But if I'm selfish and build my bread up and create a bread store, go and start being selfish enough to go and harvest and. And plant and then build it up. Then I can give.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
With the love and the grace of God. But you don't have to be selfish for a long time to build it up where you can get to that point our ego make us feel like we actually can save people. Think about this, bro. Consistently, for the last 15. Well, last 10 years, I've given my whole life to just helping people. That's it. And I've used music to get me in a position where I can help people. And then I get everything and I'm by myself and have to build it up myself. We didn't have any conversations. You know me, ain't came and checked on me when I was down, when I was up, no matter how I didn't help hundreds of thousands of people, ain't nobody helped me when I was down. So if God keeps showing you how people will do you, then I'm the fool to continue going down that road. And I can't pray, I can't ask God. And I already revealed to me I'm the fool. Y'all ain't a fool from taking from me because I keep giving. Didn't nobody tell me to do that. And I started noticing when it's some revolutionary. When it's time to get some popping, then they come get David Banner. I gotta. I got a very specific friend who makes millions and millions of dollars. And I had to tell him. I was like, bro, call me when Disney called me. You don't just gotta call me when it's time to get out on the streets. But people. People know and think about it. Even our people, we know who to go to, who really stands for, and who gonna show up in our neighborhoods when we need them to. But when it's time to give, when the people got projects, we don't give with that same energy that we run and ask them for help with. We don't.
David Banner
Damn.
Carlos Miller
And until we start putting it on the everyday, ordinary man, it ain't no football player's fault. It ain't no basketball player's fault. It ain't no politician's fault. It is our fault as a collective.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
And until the everyday, average person realizes their responsibility, it's easy for you to tell this man who's sitting over here on big facts that he should get half of his check for something. But you got 50 Cent, you won't give a quarter. Malcolm Martin, we just talked about that. QP Newton. Name them all. I think about it. We let all them people suffer. We let their families suffer.
David Banner
Is this situation even. Even. Even, even more intense? Being from the south, do you think that amplifies it?
Carlos Miller
Yeah, it does. Only because. Even. Because we still have those thought processes on us. You know, even if you look at hip hop, the way that people look at rappers and who the dopest rapper, it ain't really got nothing to do with lyrics. It really got to do addiction. The more you speak like an English white man, the better that you control the way that you use your addiction. It's how they look at you as a dope rapper. How, how in the juvenile ain't considered as one of the Best rappers how. And like, like, come on, bro. Like, if. If you don't talk like this and spit your verses just like this, and they don't consider you to be dope. Like, even Southern rappers, the closest you sound to being, you know, an English white man. Yeah. It's how they. And it judge. And they judge your. They judge. They judge you even by lines. Lines that don't even exist. Like. Like, for me, bro, being from the south means everything to me. Because one thing that David Banner has shown, and I thank God for this, that if I can make it, anybody on this planet can make it. Do you know what people say to me from. I'm talking about some of the smallest places on this earth. If your black ass can do it, for what you did it. You were sleeping in that van.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
You built a studio in your van. And you can make it, then I can get off my ass and do it too.
DJ Scream
Right?
Carlos Miller
That's why God put this load on us, bro. That's why I'm so proud of y'all. So you are the be able to take your platform, speak like we speak. That was one of the reasons why I said I want you to go to Jazzy Jeff's retreat. Because that's the only thing that I didn't feel. I felt like I was still fighting for that respect that we actually don't need. If we get our people and we can. We can group our Southern fans, because our people still buy CD from your ass. It's almost gone. But you go to some of these small towns, that's still composite at the gas station.
David Banner
Y still them gas station.
Carlos Miller
That's real money and real power. Hand. The hand.
DJ Scream
So look, I have a question about a situation that was brought to my attention, like, earlier this year. Being that you are from Jackson and, like, from that area, what is your take on the 215 bodies that turned up behind the prison in Hines County?
Carlos Miller
Like it. Those. Those type of questions are hard to answer. And they're hard to answer because I don't care where it is. If it's 250 black bodies, dead people, you know I care, right? Everybody knows the answer there. If you know me, you already know. You already know the answer. And what ends up happening is you have to be careful what you say. Because now, especially when I say in hip hop news, people are looking for you to say one thing to get a small sound bite from.
DJ Scream
Right?
Carlos Miller
I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be sitting. The reason why I'm sitting here is because you know I care, right? And the fact that it's from Mississippi or happening in Mississippi, I got a tattooed on my back, I care a thousand more, right? But, but, but the problem is, is what is the everyday average person willing to do, right? Because every time I run and put myself on that cross and say, let's go, let's go. But real revolution comes from the street up. The only thing that we supposed to be is a mouthpiece for what the streets really feel. And the streets have access to us and give us opportunity. And the way that they show us that they care is they are constituents with us. And so we are going to make sure that you're powerful so that when we need you, then we can use you. But we don't do that no more. Now these will leave you out here, man, that you get crucified going on and then call you stupid, that dumb.
DJ Scream
As people are supposed to be essentially the foundation because you don't show up.
Carlos Miller
But then when you do show up and you get crucified, be like, man, that was stupid. Yeah, you're right, bro. I give you the greatest example of that. And I'm a, I'm a director. Answer your question. People tell you, don't cap, don't cap, don't cap, don't cap, no cap, don't cap, don't cap, don't cap. Well, then if I don't cap, then you don't know what the I'm doing. And then you turn around saying, doing so I gotta cap. If I don't cap some, then you ain't gonna know what the I'm doing. Because I've always been silent with the that I do, right? But then you turn around and be like, well, I'm the reason why this happened. I'm the reason why this this happened. I'm the reason why. And think about this. We talked about this from high school, dog. Have I not been the same person? Yeah, I was revolutionary in high school. I was SGA president at Southern University. I told the at Southern, they said, why you don't wear a tie? Because I wouldn't wear a tie. I said, don't you think there's been enough ropes around black folks neck crooked leather? Wasn't that revelation exactly, huh?
David Banner
For sure, for sure.
Carlos Miller
Look at that video. Cut the music off. We ran the Ku Klux Klan out of Mississippi. I threw the Confederate flag back at the crowd. I still love my queens but hit me to the game Cadillac I'm 22 God, I know that we pimp God, I know that we Wrong. God, I know I should talk about more in all of my songs. I know my kids are listening. I know I'm here for a mission. But it's so hard to get them. The 22 inch rims don't glisten.
David Banner
Yep.
Carlos Miller
I said, and it was crazy because Rolling Stone said this was the dopest line of the year. They said I'm from a place where a flag means more than me. I didn't even mean it to be that dope. But now that I'm older, I look at the young men, be like, fuck, that's hard as shit. I'm from a place where a flag means more than me. Nah, that real shit, the Confederate flag, you know, that means racism. And I'm at a point in my life now, white boy, wear your Confederate flag. That's because if you think about it, that there is another aspect as it, as it pertains to their culture. Yeah, put it on the truck, put it on your draws. But that means death to me. And so if you're gonna use it as a simple, a symbol of a synthesis of people, of a conglomerate of people, that means death to me. It means racism, it means slavery to me. It shouldn't be a state flag. It shouldn't represent nothing but your racist white.
DJ Scream
Your personal belief.
Carlos Miller
Yes, exactly. And I ain't got no problem because if I want to wear my red, black and green.
DJ Scream
Right, right.
Carlos Miller
That shouldn't be a problem. And I'm gonna tell you what happened when I started making those flags for the boxes. I don't know what I would do if I saw a white boy burn my flag. So I say if I want them to respect my flag and what my flag stands on, even though their flag, my flag doesn't direct the directly affect them. We haven't done anything to them. But still, I have to give a human that type of respect. You just keep your over there in your yard. That's all I am.
DJ Scream
Well, to a certain extent, but what.
Carlos Miller
Else do you want?
DJ Scream
No, I don't want anything else. I was just, I was just thinking like, because it's like for me, saying.
Carlos Miller
What you want to do about this? Nice.
DJ Scream
Not like, yeah, that's true. But it's just like, for me, like, on a personal level, like, I know when I heard this shout out to my brother T. Lewis, as soon as I heard it, like, my first thought was like, I hit him. Like, okay. Like, okay. So if I was to come down there and like, try to figure out like, what was going on, and you Know, try to put together, like an informational piece and this and that, blah, blah, blah. Like how, like, what would be the best way to do it? And then, like, he was telling me, like, the down there is so deep, like, you got to be careful where you poke around at type, so.
Carlos Miller
Well, this is what I tell you, baby. Part of the problem is I don't think most people. I'm the type of person. I want to do something. I really, really want to do something.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
And I want to do something. I can't say I want to do something. I'm sick of this talking. That's one of the reasons why I. I stopped my podcast, because I think it's too many talking and want to talk about. They know. They don't know nothing about. It could be a nuclear. It could be a nuclear explosion. And everybody want to talk about just the nuclear whatever. They don't know what they talking about. Like, everybody talking about, like, stay in your lane. Lane, Whatever your lane is. Be a genius at your lane. But everybody talking. And I honestly think we are at war. Now ain't the time to be talking if you wasn't prepared. That's what I was telling you. But haven't I not been talking about the same 10, 15 years?
David Banner
20?
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
That didn't listen back then. They're not gonna listen now. What's their biggest weapon? Huh? We at. What's their biggest weapon against us? Oh, they brought it ourselves, bro. To be honest with you, I feel like. And I'm still gonna answer your question. Yeah, I feel like. I feel like we're butterflies and an ant pile, but they playing with our food. They playing with our education. They're playing with our mind with these phones, bro. It's so much now. And the problem is, is that it's hard for us to even identify, you know, who really on our side. Cause a lot of these niggas is bigger crackers than any white boy you ever to see.
DJ Scream
Especially the. That are in position.
Carlos Miller
You know, the thing is, is that you got different type of Negroes, bro. Like, it's. It's so hard, man. Like, and it's hard for me as a person who. Who believes that he's a revolutionary. Because unlike some white people, we gotta fight both sides. We gotta fight and crackers at the same level, too.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
At least white people, at least white people can agree on the fact that we, black people, or indigenous people in general, reproduce at a rate that if white people don't do something, they gonna die. So they can at least Agree on. Okay. We can have men you can fight later on, but let me know that we against them. Right. A lot of us don't even know that we at war. And so it's hard for you to fight, like, totally fight for somebody who 9 times out of 10, look at you as a bigger enemy.
DJ Scream
So let me ask you this real quick. Do you feel like most that are in positions of power are puppets?
Carlos Miller
I don't know. Because what I also realize is all. All. All of them are not. I'm not gonna say smart enough. They're not enlightened enough to even know that they wrong. Some people. Some people were raised they family. Think about it. Our parents. And this is a harsh reality. I know, Regina. This is a harsh reality. But most of our parents would get along gang. Yeah. Because if they wouldn't, they'd be dead. They'd be hanging from a tree somewhere.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
So most of us, we just ended up listening to hip hop or we. We bumped into something that. That's what hip hop did for me. You know, I. I tell Sadat X all the time. Who's Derek X from Brand Newbiens. I got hold to a Brand Newbien CD and stop eating pork red. You know, Malcolm X got hold to one of the books that they are taking out of the school from the broader files. I read the files changed. I stole it from my cousin.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
And got conscious. So a lot of these negroes, they don't even know that they sell house. They don't even know. Like some of these kids from some of these places, they parents beat their natural language out there. If they don't speak like they from England. You can't walk in the house. So some of us do. Do you know who? Well, I ain't gonna go there.
DJ Scream
No, go ahead, go there.
Carlos Miller
No, most do I know who what? No. The biggest breaker of slaves were other slaves. So a lot of times it was our parents that broke us. Yeah, we don't even know that. Can I. Can I tell y'all quick?
DJ Scream
But that goes back to the whole puppet thing that I was talking about. But I guess that's proving your point about. A lot of the puppets don't even understand that they are one of the biggest roles in our detrimental puppetry.
Carlos Miller
A lot of niggas. A lot of niggas is say a lot of that feel like, okay, get woke and know that I'm fighting to fight against my people and these people. Right. Which is what we just said. So then they put you on the side of Being self like everybody. It's about me. But so. But when you get the. Everybody gonna feel like you'll sell out. Cause you not the Trying to be a revolutionary or trying to speak for these. I can't say y'all. Cause that put me on the cross. Cause I'm willing to go all the way. But y'all ready to turn y'all back.
David Banner
And that's the answer.
Carlos Miller
You just taught me something. You just taught me something right there. And that's why this is important. Watch this. The person who says that they are willing to do everything for us. Think about how we look at a revolutionary. This is the person who is willing to give everything for you. He ready to nut up, ready to go out bad, man. The rapper that did everything to y'all say rappers don't do. You don't with him. Yeah. Or he let somebody kill him. Yeah. The one that came back to the hood, took care of the hood.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
You let that happen. Yes. We supposed to. We supposed to make a. We supposed to make a public example, bro. Yeah, but. But that's what I'm saying. It's us. That's. When you hang a.
David Banner
Well, that's the.
Carlos Miller
That's.
David Banner
But that's. That's.
Carlos Miller
That's.
David Banner
That's. That's the simple. That's the simple. But what you mean?
Carlos Miller
Take it out because with me right now. Yeah. Say less. Say less. Say less. And y'all, I'm gonna be real with you. I. I had. I had to learn this ego makes you want to tell everything that you know. Some ain't the same.
DJ Scream
Right.
Carlos Miller
And that's part of problem. Right? Right. If y'all notice, I had one of the top black lectures in the United States, period. But you never see any video from any of my lectures. Because what if we came up with the answer? Yeah, yeah. Ku Klux Klan ain't on on Instagram.
DJ Scream
Right.
Carlos Miller
The government is. Is conspiring against our children. That ain't on. On Facebook or YouTube. So why do we want to do it in public? That shit's stupid. But if you really, really got a plan and we really about to get some money here, go tell everybody. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So if we really. That's what I'm saying, y'all. It got to be a small group of us who really about moving and really about. Because one of the things that I don't like that we do. If you really study, most of these cats look at what they do. They tell you what they gonna do. They say it in their music.
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Carlos Miller
They stand in their actions. They stand in who they marry. I see what you love. Yeah. Like most of these politicians look at who they were before they. They needed your phone. They didn't give a. About black folks. Yeah, I'm not emotional about that. I don't care if it's an alien. I don't do y'all know some of the most revolutionary people people in history negotiated with the plan. The Klan didn't want black folks in America and some black folks didn't want to be in America. So if you willing to get $3 million for me to get a boat for me to go back to Africa and I don't want to be in this even. We can talk. Sign me up. We can talk Jack.
David Banner
Right.
Carlos Miller
So it ain't about Democrats or Republicans. I don't give a about neither of right wing, left wing. They part of the same bird.
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Carlos Miller
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Carlos Miller
We have one more act for you this evening. I don't even need to say his name.
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Carlos Miller
Bobby, what do you want to be? Whatever it is they don't want me to be.
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Carlos Miller
Turn it down.
David Banner
Hey.
Carlos Miller
Live.
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Carlos Miller
I say somebody said nowhere. Do y'all know how many people are running for president and vice president? But they only allow you to see two debate. What if the Green Party got the real plan but we don't research? And if we really want to do something about politics, why don't we find somebody be like, okay, I really this who we want. I really, really like Big Creek. Yeah, I really like what that boy. Let's all pull our money together. Because to me, politicians ain't nothing but the money. If you ain't investing money doing a whole bunch of talk. Same thing I said about music. Let's raise creek. Let's raise him in a way and he come from our environment. Because some politicians, not all of them, some just don't know no better. They never been broke, so they don't really know how to properly understand what the. Most of them ain't about shit. But I'm just saying, so why not? If we really care about. Since black people are so invested all of a sudden in politics, why not build your own person and get behind them? That makes all the sense right there. That makes all the sense. Name one Democrat in recent history that got passed anywhere without black folks. But take none of them, not even when you black, say what you gonna do for your own people. Come on, now. I'm not telling you what to do. All I'm telling you to do is think. I say that after our election, I don't care what you think about me. Just think and make sure that you tune in to Peace and Watch.
David Banner
Make sure we keep.
Carlos Miller
Make sure we keep.
David Banner
We keep that support rolling, boys in the hood message. But all that, all that is the answer to your question. Like you said, what is the system? All of this is the system. The music industry has a system. Politics has a system. America has a system. It's various systems within one system, and they are created. You said what? You said what? You said what?
Carlos Miller
They killed Missouri Slim. And anyway. Nah. But I will tell y'all, man, it's. It's. It's a harsh reality, man, to be a black man in America, that care, you know, that's what I realized, is that I thought coming from the streets, coming from the environment that I came from, I really thought that I didn't give a fuck. And when I got money, it gave me the space to see how much I really do care. I love black people with everything that I got in my body. I love where I'm from, everything in my body. And what I had to realize is that my therapist told me this. My therapist said, you're always talking about the people, the people, people. He said, you the people. You black. I realized I don't treat myself well. And part of what I do is I project it on other people and try to help other people. People to make me feel better about myself. And the real truth is people treat you the way you treat yourself. Think about the rappers who treat people like. Like dog. Ain't that the ones we. We play their music the most? Yeah. And some of that music is dope, but most of it is more of a mentality. I got more than you. You ain't. They really treating you like white people treat you elite white people Think about this. And I got a little bit myself. But think about how most entertainers that are black, they don't even sell themselves. They sell an elite white car, elite white clothes. I want to know you. I want to know what's inside of you. But they sell you everything but themselves. And I figured out, I figured that I was doing. I found that I was doing the same. Think about it as a woman, people usually treat you the same way you treat yourself. Whatever you insecure about, that's what they key in on.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
If you don't take no. I know some women who. Some of the most dog ass on this planet. When she walk into the room, because she don't take that, she get the utmost respect.
DJ Scream
Right.
Carlos Miller
So. So. So the thing is, is that we as a people, we gotta treat each other better. We gotta be kind of the stuff that we do, bro, Me and this man, sometimes out of nowhere, man, I call him and be like, bro, as it pertains to being a father. Now you my mentor. Cause you had a kid before me, bro. Talk to me. How is that, bro? Like, I ain't lying. I'm nervous about this, bro. And we had a conversations or anything, bro, you call me and be like, banner man. You know that system? Like, talk to me about that. But we got to do it on the phone. And you got to be like, bro, it's some that I don't know. Yeah, well, this is what I do know. Let's figure this out together. But we talk about the in front of cameras. And as soon as we leave them cameras cut off, we go back. Everybody go back. You're right.
David Banner
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I just, I just. I'm one of them, man, that just stuck between trying to goddamn be on the cross for, man, when the. When already got across over here. And they back you up for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you try to fight for everybody, bro, but at the end of the day, they want to hang you too. So what you do, you. You create your own little bubble, man, and create your own little family first. That's the only way. Now you create your family and then maybe they see. Maybe people will see, like, okay, that's what they're doing. I don't think, I don't think I can be out there trying to do it for these. You already do it, bro. That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying, like, I don't know what I'm saying. I do.
David Banner
You said, you said, you said put it all on the line for some people that won't put it all online.
Carlos Miller
Even certain I be wanting to say, but bro, you already do it. I'm telling you, bro, I'm telling you what I see. Okay, like bro, for you, bro, y'all answer this question. When he first came on this bitch first started fucking with y'all, was he not a different man?
David Banner
Oh, for sure. But, but, but Buddy always had the same heart.
Carlos Miller
Yeah.
David Banner
You know what I'm saying? You gotta have a heart, right?
Carlos Miller
Make something that you don't have.
David Banner
Right.
Carlos Miller
But I just mean, bro, do you know how many people watched you peel them layers off? Like, I know that's how a lot of people looked at me. Like, I remember when I first got on tv told said that I was on high blood pressure pills. Do you know how many gangsters, hustlers, I tell people that all the time. All these so called conscious. They don't with me, they never with me. They don't like me. I make them uncomfortable because I want to do something. A lot of just want to talk. Yeah, I don't think we should be talking. But man, a lot of them cats will see me and they like banner man, if you were comfortable enough, man, to go ahead and start taking your pills and talk about that in front of the world, I know I can do like, bro, you don't know who be watching you, bro. And the thing is, whether we like it or not, that's what I tell people all the time. No matter how conscious I am. Bitches, drug dealers, killers, they put me on. That's why I never turn my nose up to the streets ever. No matter how conscious that I get. Have you noticed, no matter how mad I get at black people, I always say we. I never separate myself no matter how smart, how much money I get. Because conscious people didn't put me on rippity rapidly. Rapidly. As much as I like rippity rapping all the time. Don't with me. No matter how dope my song is. No matter how dope Death of a pop star. No matter how dope Cricket. No matter how dope the God box is.
David Banner
Yeah. The people was listening to Life of pimp and might get you.
Carlos Miller
That's why I'm here playing with it.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Talk all that they want to. I lost money every time I did positive music every time. $1.5 million. You tell me a that is that much money on himself. Yeah, on some positive. But what I do know is at least I can say that I tried. Right?
DJ Scream
Right.
Carlos Miller
But it's easy. It's easy for you to make them records, though. Like, not the contract and other records. That's super easy. See, watch this. You don't like this. People don't understand that all this is simple. The reason why lower vibrational or not so smart sales is because there are more people who have gone to kindergarten than there has been that graduated from the 12. Right?
DJ Scream
Right.
Carlos Miller
It's yes or no. Right. Even less people who have a doctorate. Right. But even the doctor can listen.
David Banner
Right?
Carlos Miller
So what we have to understand is, and it's no different than Malcolm, some people want to be smart for the sake of being smart. If you notice, Malcolm X had one of the greatest commands on the English language, and he never said anything the average man couldn't understand because. Are you trying to show me that you're smart or are you trying to get me to understand facts? So that means sometimes I may have to dip back off into some that I don't like, bro. It. It. It bothers me at a spiritual level. Regina, how many months have. How many years have I had the God box, too? At least two. Yeah, that. Four, five years old.
David Banner
It's gonna come out.
Carlos Miller
As long as she knowing that I didn't have it.
David Banner
It's gonna come out, bro.
Carlos Miller
That so hood.
David Banner
Oh, it's gonna come out. They gotta come out.
Carlos Miller
The problem. But the problem is I know what people want. I got a really good friend of mine in D.C. who, he having the same problem with food. Like, he cooks fried food. That's what he's known for. But he eats now that he's been conscious now. He don't eat like that, but he know what people want. And that's the difference, man.
DJ Scream
It's like an internal conflict.
Carlos Miller
Yeah, yeah. She probably eating him up to say that shit, you know, that should eat you up to sell it. Yeah, Like, I couldn't get a restaurant right now and sell, like, something I couldn't even do it, even though I know how to cook that I couldn't. I would have to try to sell vegan food. You know what I'm saying? Something that resonates with your spirit. I couldn't do it, or you won't be able to sleep at night. Yeah, that's why you got all you Negroes, bro. And I was one of them. Got all this damn money. My cousin used to say that all the time, bro. You got models and cars and billions of dollars. Why you ain't sleeping? Because that don't do nothing for your soul. But I would say I'd much rather figure it out with some money than be broke. As being honest with you, I'd rather figure it out in the house right then in my van like I was before. Yeah, but, but bro, I'll tell you this, man, and I say this to everybody, when I started back sleeping, I would have paid any amount of money, bro. Just get a good night. I'll sleep in an hour too. A night in the biggest house out in Canton, Georgia, bro, I was living on top of a mountain. Literally on top of a mountain, you know. So I always say, bro, there's a way for you to get money, bro, and it agree with your spirit. But the reason why I don't affect some people and it affects others. Some people never had a spirit. Like you just said about him. No matter what he did in the streets, at his heart he was still a good person. And what money gave him an opportunity to do is to find that when you ain't got no money, you can't find me. You can't find me. And they know that we're animals before with anything. You're going to survive, right?
David Banner
What's the button? What's the money play? That's a good question. What's the money plays? What's the money plays right now?
Carlos Miller
I want to be a superhero, bro. That's all I want to do is superhero film.
David Banner
And you've done that.
Carlos Miller
There was a young girl who came crying to her dad uncontrollably. Her dad said, she's four year old, black, beautiful, dark skinned girl. She said, daddy, daddy, daddy. Are they gonna be any black people in the future? He said, why? She said, because I was watching the Jetsons and I didn't see me. Like some science fiction is them preparing us for a future. And they usually don't have us in it.
DJ Scream
That's deep.
Carlos Miller
All right, now watch this. I'm gonna go even further. What Superman what views Superman power.
David Banner
Y'all know kryptonite kills them, but the sun does. Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Superman is fueled by the sun. Right? White deflects the sun. Right. White people are allergic to the sun. Right. If Superman superpower was really the sun, he'll be darker than the darkest night. He'd be darker than the darkness. Anything, bro. Because we absorb the sunlight, right? So it's our response. A white scientist told me that ain't no way Superman white. So it's our responsibility to properly depict that. Now my second movie. I want to do a movie. I said, I want to do a movie with Jill Scott. A love Movie like a Love Jones type movie.
DJ Scream
That'll be hard.
Carlos Miller
And then they'd be like. They'd be like, well, David Banner, like you just said you wanted to be inside square fiction. Well, black love in America right now, especially on tv, is sci fi. But you damn sure don't see it. So it's my responsibility, as sexy as I am right now, to use this body and get another body. I look good in the and it ain't. I'mma tell y'all something. I kill somebody. They like you a little arrogant. I know as much as I'm in the gym, if I don't look good, I need to go home. That hurt. I'm sexy than look good. Smell you? Smell me. Didn't wake up like that. No, man. But for real, I want. I am going to do sci fi, man. And hopefully our children won't know a time where there won't be a black movie. Cuz really all the superheroes is showing you God incarnate. And so they're telling us we not gods. Like, as much as I like Black Panther, that's cool. I don't want to be no cat. I want to be Superman. Your girls want to be Wonder Woman. They want to be the Flash, the fastest in the world. And they come from hero. Comes from heru the word hero. Yes, we are the gods.
DJ Scream
Yes.
Carlos Miller
So how dare we not? My little brother Karan Joseph Riley is working on a black superhero film. And y'all, the last movie that I was in, I played a gun. You saw the pictures of it, you know.
David Banner
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Carlos Miller
You know, and it's getting closer and closer and like that's what I want to do.
David Banner
Yeah, yeah.
Carlos Miller
I want to push my dreams so fucking far. I want to show people, like, I maybe shouldn't say this, man, but like, I want to come back when I shoot a film, man, I want to do like an installment where walk in the club and we didn't transfer, we didn't transform the whole club, maybe hook up and they swing across the club. Like literally I want to do. Because think about it, bro. Atlanta is supposed to be the media capital of the world, but when you go to the club, you don't feel that. Like when I'm in Europe and going to phone parties and you know what I'm saying? I had did one time to. What's that? The ninja. What's the ninja? The ninja warriors. I wanted to do some cuz black people, we be so clean now. We don't be want to get dirty. You can't get into the club unless you do some ninja. You got to get in the water and jump across some. Like I really want a. To leave the club, be like that balance. Something ain't right about. Yeah, I want people to have fun, do something different, dance and again and smile or do something, you know what I mean?
David Banner
I feel like you gotta just like he creates a lot of the fun in Atlanta. So he put me down with the Miguel Wilson the other day, you know what I'm saying? You just gotta find the communities now and have your own fun with like minded people, you know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people don't. They don't know nothing but sit down. Not, not those people, but sit down and blow a hookah. That's all they know.
Carlos Miller
What we gonna do with y'all? And. And again, I, I want to tell y'all, man, before we end this, man, how, how proud I am of y'all. And I wouldn't have got into much political if it wasn't for y'all. But I actually waited to come on the show because I really didn't know what I wanted to say. For a while. I had lost myself. I didn't know really what my basis was anymore because then I had given so much like no lie. Think about this, man. Think about how we talked about this in the beginning of the show. People don't talk about the level of producer I am. Brock produced Quincy Jones before. People don't talk about this. Why you think, why you think that?
David Banner
What do you think?
Carlos Miller
I think sometimes when you got people like, let's say, I think there's no way for you to talk about a top five and not put ice cream. You. I just think there's no way for you to do that. Like that dude went from one coat, conquered one coach all the way to another coach, got them, got their producers, then conquered that again.
DJ Scream
Like the living legend, right?
Carlos Miller
Like. But I think what happens with black folks is when they see that you all right. And other. I even give a greater example. Damn, I ain't never thought about it. How in the is Outcast considered one of the top artists out of any genre of music? And you don't say they're the best rap group. They gotta be the best rap group if you consider them to be the best in rock and country and all that kind of.
David Banner
I say that a lot.
Carlos Miller
You gonna trump them as far as it's concerned as rappers.
David Banner
I say that a lot.
Carlos Miller
Can't do that. How you gonna say that? This Level is higher than this level. And then you just gonna not say that he knocked his first. Yeah, that don't make sense. But anyway, yeah, so I. I look at it from the standpoint of people see that I got so much other going on. Oh, he'll be all right. But what I noticed as Southerners, we, two nights, we never really went and took our spot. We too kind like the west coast when it took that.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Like we still don't have that proper film depiction yet of what we do right now. I'm gonna tell you what I think it is by south, bruh. Just feel like we finna get our paper. They don't want to get into the politics other side of it, you know what I'm saying? This come from. They started up north west, had it, we got it. We finna milk the money out this. You know what I'm saying? Even though we. We could have took it. Like took it. But every time a try to do it, we see what they doing. They crucifying these at the top. But the truth is, go back to history, bro. It's us. Where James Brown from, bro? Like, like, like, like, like people talk all that. Like, I even go from a hip hop perspective, bro. Like, when you ask most people favorite hip, hip, hip, hip hop producer, they usually say primo, right? Primo.
David Banner
Pray you from Texas.
Carlos Miller
He's from Texas, bro. Yeah, yeah, cross that, bro. Yeah, like, if you look at your samples, your samples are here. It goes back show you how God works. We just talking about God, the history, bro. Your people are from here, bro. Your people and we are from here. So there's no way that you can't skip past your grandparents. Harlem is the south, bro. I lived in Harlem for six years. That's us. That's where the black people went to. That's the reason why they have so much style, they got so much crazy. Like, that's why people. That's what our people were. That's why I love Harlem so much. When I. When I went to Harlem, all my homies from New York was like, why won't you go nowhere else? Because. Because this feel like Mississippi. Yeah, feel like Mississippi to me. And so, like, we. Part of our problem is we don't know our history. That's why fight night was so important. Important to me, bro. Like, when you see how important the number runners were, the dope dealers were to Atlanta being what they are. But. But you can have white folks and they'll give you their Scarfaces and they. John Gotti's and all of these different people. But we throw away our history. Yeah, we throw away our history. As soon as white people say that they. Man, come on, bro. That was, if you look even about the history of Martin Luther King. I was sitting out in front of Pretty. Ken grabbed me and said, I know you love history. He set me down in front of a Citizens Trust bank on Martin Luther King. Said, I want you to talk to some of the OGs.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
And he told me a story, bro, that was so powerful, bro. I don't even know if it's my place to say it. It was so powerful. But he was like, og Set me down. He was like venom. You ever notice that Martin Luther King, outside of his church, never talked or spoke in Atlanta like he did in Birmingham and the other places? You ever noticed that? You know why? Because the streets told him, bro, you talking to integration. The Atlanta clubs was so popping that white folks came to the black clubs. In Atlanta, it was so, so popping. Here, the black businesses were so popping, we didn't need them. So they told Martin, you could talk that integration anywhere you want to. You can't talk in here. Yeah, he did whatever he wanted to do in his church, but outside of that, he didn't speak in Atlanta because the streets told him that, we will protect you, we will take care of you, but you can't talk, that you gonna kill the black movement. And Martin Luther King didn't notice it to write before he died when he told Harry Belafonte, I think I've integrated my people into a burning house.
DJ Scream
Yes, yes.
Carlos Miller
So all you gotta do, the problem is, is that we don't study. We don't care nothing about our history, bro.
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
I will say this. There is no way in the hell you should go to any of these towns where you got legacy artists and not here history. When you go to la, you hear Drake, you hear Snoop, you go. Even if it instrumental, even if it's an instrumental in the white restaurants, you'll hear Tribe Called Course, you'll hear Run dmc, you'll hear those in New York. It should be the same. Yeah, you're right. There's no way that you go to Mississippi. And I hear no David Banner at all, that you come to Georgia, not hit no Little John, no Pastor Troy, no Outcast, no Usher. You understand what I'm saying? We. We. They have beat history out of us so much that from a cellular level, there are certain things that we don't like that we have trauma towards because of the pain. Big facts. What? Nah, what you saying is correct, bro. Like, we forget about our people too fast.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
And I'll tell you, and most of these people, My bad, Most of these people, it could be rappers, it could be anything. It could be singers, it could be somebody that just did something great before we. We forget that they're heroes too fast. And like he said, like, even the gangsters, Even the gangsters, like, come on. But we'll live off all the. That they did all they hard work. We'll live off this, but we won't say their name. Is that not the reason why I told you I hired you? Regina may not be a big, big part, but yes, you may be, but she got something to do with our musical history. And I told her, I'mma make sure that people know your name. And when we was on our podcast, when people see what do they. What do they scream? I used to start up a podcast like that. And it's funny because I didn't even mean to do it that way, but that's what I meant by fight night. For all of them hustlers, all of them number runners, bro, all of them strip club owners, it's one in particular. But that's not my place to talk to history because I'm an outsider. So I'm very. I'm very careful with me again, trying to play Jesus. They said any else's about what when I get big fat. Big fat, Big fat.
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Carlos Miller
We have one more act for you this evening. I don't even need to say his name.
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Bobby, what do you want to be?
Carlos Miller
Whatever it is, they don't want me to be.
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Carlos Miller
70,000 people are here and Bobby is the reason for it. They just want me singing, blowing in the wind for the rest of my life. How does it feel?
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Carlos Miller
Turn it down.
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Carlos Miller
Make some noise. BD track some mud on the carpet.
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DJ Scream
But I told you, man, what those certain nuggets are made out of.
David Banner
What, dolphins?
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Ain't no damn dolphins on that, man. That's that they come off the floor when they cut the meat. And the rest of that left, Grind that up, man. Put the flavor on it. Same thing that they did with. Back in the day when we used to drink my liquor. Well, you know, when they talk about filtered beer. Filtered beer, the malt. So, yeah, that's the piss off the top of their good beers. Yeah. I had a homeboy who had money and still would drink that.
David Banner
Oh, he's still reserved.
Carlos Miller
He was still Iceman. Come on, dog. The glass that they put Iceman in.
David Banner
Was worth more than.
Carlos Miller
All right, so this. This is what I tell y'all in closing. Again, I'd like to thank y'all for giving me the opportunity to speak about shit that our parents used to die for. You know, sometimes it is hard for me. I could have made so much more money. I will say that I am. I'm comfortable in myself now. Enough to say I'm a fucking genius. Right. Ain't much that I didn't touch that I wasn't successful at. Right? Right. I made certain choices to be a certain type of man, and I'm proud of the man that I am. But I refuse to let my future children suffer.
DJ Scream
All right?
Carlos Miller
I'm going to be successful. I'm going to do what I'm supposed to do. And that may mean that I have to step away from some of the things that I'm passionate about. Right. In order to get what I know that I deserve. But I appreciate y'all for giving me the opportunity to speak my mind, open door. Because one thing that I am. And John Henry Clark said this one of the ways. One of the ways that we can be free or get free, it's just acting like we're Free the fact that I can come here and even if we don't agree with each other, that you at least let me say my.
DJ Scream
Piece and entertain my thought process and.
Carlos Miller
Train of thought, or at least let me get it out. That's originally what my podcast was supposed to be, wasn't it, Regina? Like, it was supposed to be a place. Like if a star got in trouble, trouble. We may not agree with you, but come. At least you can get your statements out here, right? I remember, bro, when they set Chris Brown up on Good Morning America, bro, that was one of the most vicious things I ever saw. Yeah, that wasn't right. It wasn't. And I don't believe that people have many places where they can come and just be. They sell. And. And I'm gonna say this, you know, and I mean this, and I'm not just going to fight back to Fight Night because of what it did for me. But, you know, they try to get us to play pimps, hustlers and dope dealers and all that kind of movies because they think that we're going to make these people character caricatures and of our coach. But it is my responsibility, because I come from that is to give them humanity. One thing about. Mostly people felt good about mostly, but they knew he wasn't a joke. I was give a. Will you get it? Get it out your ass. That's my cousin, for real. He say that all the time. Get it out, Chance. Where you get it from? See, they trying to play us with all this power and like a mean all the time. Most of the killers that I know, the coolest in the world, except they go from 1 to 1 million. And it ain't no middle ground point. It is my responsibility because I love crazy culture so much that if I'm gonna play the pimp, that's the reason why people felt mostly them so much. Yeah. It's because I am going to give my people humanity or I'm not gonna do this, y'all. I'm gonna leave y'all with this. This hurt me so bad. Although I come from that environment, it is still my responsibility to study. Do you agree? Yes, sir. So I went and researched some of the most notorious pimps, especially some from the Midwest, because that's what my character was from, right, y'all. This hurt me so bad, bro. And I don't get emotional much, but this made me emotional. They asked him, what did you want to be when you were a child? Guess what he said? He said he wanted to be a gymnast. You Let that sit for a minute. You know what that meant. I thought he would have wanted to be a football player, dope dealer, something aggressive. There was so much disparity in his neighborhood that it went from him wanting to be a gymnast to a pimp. Ain't else in the middle. That's a problem. Real, bro. That hurt me so bad. He wanted to be a gymnast. Flip around in leotards for the rest of his life. He wanted to play. Yeah, I'm dead serious. Yeah, put it in my pocket. Yeah. I ain't playing. I kill everything. And so it is my responsibility to show the humanity in here. To show the humanity. That's my job as an actor. And ain't nobody on this planet gonna beat me doing it. Gonna look back and be like, that's a bad. And I'll say this too, so they won't do it to nobody else. In so many. In so many cases, we allow the Kings and our neighborhoods, the Kings in our state, the Kings from where we from, to go somewhere else and be generals in somebody else's army when they could have been our kings, right? And they would talk about them. Like, when we don't realize that we did not nurture them. We talk about people leaving our neighborhoods. But if we really treated people, think about it. The who do stay. We rob them. Kill smart. We call them nerds. Kill them. We treat them like.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
And then get mad when A don't come back. That's some real. In the neighborhoods. The who do the that. We say that don't do. We let them die. Yep. And do nothing about it. You can't help some just gonna happen. Yeah, But A don't know he was here, right? We gotta do better and stop talking so much. If we treated people to the city of Memphis, tried to pay me to live there, bro, they were going to take care of everything. And then somebody on the board, they fax the lyrics to play one girl about to get pussy wet. So they changed their mind about me. But I think wet pussies are good for society. You agree? I agree. But like I was thinking about all of the tax incentives. I was thinking about all the things that Memphis was offering at the time for me to come and move to that city to do it. People don't know, like what Maynard Jackson did, you know, for K. Reed and Baby Rice to be here. You know what I'm saying? This don't happen. You gotta have a plan. And we gotta stop trying that, right? We gotta stop trying to guilt trip white supremacy. If You a sellout. They may kill you in the end, but they'll put you on a TV show. You cut your hair off and tighten your ass up, suck your nose in. They'll give you an opportunity. We gotta be real white supremacy, paid black supremacy guilt trips. So if you. If you show these kids that you will take care of them. If they come back to the community, it will be easier for them to not leave. But you don't do but whoop on their ass and talk about them and make them feel bad. We gotta stop that shit, man. Them facts, we gotta stop that shit. Make sure y'all tune in and y'all do everything that y'all supposed to. Make sure the big fact statement. This be one of the biggest media conglomerates in the world. You got real folk doing real, real. And. And thank y'all for not leaving us. Thank y'all for staying us and thank y'all for evolving. I love y'all and I appreciate you. Thank you for picking up the phone.
David Banner
When I need you anytime, you know, Beautiful.
Carlos Miller
Making you feel a certain kind of way. Should I touch you one more time? Yeah. Best thing you said though, Bama. You just said it, bro. We gotta protect our smart people, bro. You know what I'm saying? We see these people be smart and we. We clown them for being smart. That's crazy. We gotta protect our smart people. And then the smart gotta stop throwing their ass up at a cause they smart too. If you smart, your job is to teach. That's what I say about them. A lot of them that made people hate being smart. And that was the reason why. That was the reason why we made our own music. Because we tried to do what them smart was doing and they turned their nose up at us. So they got a responsibility too, to come back and teach Old dog. I can't stand them, bro. I can't stand that act. Like, bro, you. You in the God position. God. God is information. God is knowledge. God is freedom. You get in a God position and you pray for freedom and you pray for. For God to forgive you every day and you don't come back and fuck with your people. You a dog ass nigga.
David Banner
Final question, final question. That is why this disownment? So what's that fine line, though? We'll take Nipsey Hussle. What's the fine line of going back but protecting self? What's the fine line from David Banner.
Carlos Miller
The spirit of discernment. Like I had to realize that, man. Sometimes people are just hurt. It ain't Personal. A lot of times when you're dealing with people in the hood, it ain't that they dislike you, but you are a mirror to show them what they don't feel like they can do. And, like, if y'all notice, man, I was never the type of rapper to wear a whole bunch. I don't wear my jury out unless I'm going to shine on a mother on another that got what I got. And I'm at that point in my life where I can have some nice shit. But when I was coming up in the trenches, I knew how I felt. I'm hungry. I like David Banner. He cool and shit, like. And I knew that if I was that kind of guy, if I'm a good guy, I know a lesser motherfucker think they did.
DJ Scream
That's why I never know what they will do.
Carlos Miller
Yeah. Like, bro, if you ever noticed me, bro, I never. Regina, do I ever stay in the club longer than an hour? I never get a motherfucker enough of time to get drunk enough. Not just drunk, but if you are smart, you're strategic. Yeah. So I'm never giving a enough time to come up. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah.
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I got that pistol on me. I'm a dog. But that thin line, bro. That thin line, bro, is just knowing what you used to be. Yeah. And like I told you, I don't know if this was on tape or not keeping your bird heart, but developing a snake's mind.
David Banner
That's real.
Carlos Miller
You know? I know I'm gonna tell y'all something that I know about me. And I don't know if I ever said this on. On camera before. I know a lot of my contemporaries don't like me. And they don't like me. Because if David Banner becomes popular, then etiquette and morals mean something. See, that's the thing that they. They don't show or they don't talk about. With Pop and Nipsey, these were people who. Who honor meant something. Your word meant something. And so if Nipsey becomes the most powerful motherfucker that you can't treat women any kind of way that you want to. You can't not keep your word. You cannot have a cold. If Pop is the number one rapper, then you gotta say something about the Black Panthers, because now that he dead, you don't talk about that part about him. You cannot talk about Pac and not talk about revolution, not talk about the people. You cannot be. You cannot. David Banner cannot be popular. And you not honor the hood. You not honor the south you can't say we stupid. Look at Mississippi. The artists that came out of Mississippi that you know of are some of the smartest. Tell me Crit ain't smart. Tell me David Banner ain't smart. Tell me Tio Lopez ain't smart. Tell me Ray Shroom ain't the final clothes and being free thinkers. Come on, man. So you can't say that no more. But what they want is they want an unadulterated with no morals and no values, so then they can do anything without music. And it's not his fault because he doesn't know any better. And I never criticize the rapper because most rappers told you what they were. There was one female rapper in particular that I, I, I respect her so much, much. Cuz she told you who she was in the beginning, and she never faltered for that. And then people, once she became a multi millionaire, I don't believe no, this is who the I am. Those who don't know. I told you she was. And she handled a business and stood on a business and stood on a business. I respect that. Yeah, now you got to. That is the reason why I say it. Closing. If y'all ever noticed, all the stuff that I did with Katrina, all the stuff that I did, bruh, it was maybe ninth Wonder, Erykah Badu, Talib Kweli, the rest of it was all gangster rappers. Like, there's somebody in particular who probably the style. Second favorite gangster rapper. He brought me 10, $20,000 a day. But I want nobody to know. He said, I know if you have it, it's gonna get to the people. He said, but I don't, I don't, I don't need no fame for doing the right thing. Anything that I've ever done for the streets, anything I've ever done for the community came through gangster rap. I never forget this in my life, bro. And I hope you don't mind me telling, telling this story, bro. And I'll, I'll end with this. I was driving through midtown right when Offset got out of prison. And I was like, what up, dog? He said, OG he was like, og, can I get your number? He said, I need some help. I was like, for what, bro? What you mean? He's like, I want to do better. I don't know how. Damn, that was so funny, like, for a man to open his heart, like, bro, I just. And then that's right when the Migos went. So I can understand why that connection didn't happen. But he asked me, I just, I want to know can you help me know what's best?
DJ Scream
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
So it's, it's our responsibility, our children. We can say whatever we want to about these kids music. Our children are at direct reflection of what we did or did not teach them.
David Banner
They say that all the time.
Carlos Miller
So if, if, if, if they're not going in the right directions because we didn't point them in the right direction, we don't have. We don't have no connection. We can show them what to do. We didn't put them on. If you look at the. The generation after me and that's the Soulja Boy era, on to what we have now, that's the same generation. Oh, no, no. Before him was a generation that we skipped over. And guess who was three rappers in that. In that category, you can't name many after to them, Crit, Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole. Their generation was a generation after us, and we didn't usher them in. And it was about three to five of them. And it was no more rappers out of that generation for the most part. And that's our part. And it wasn't because we were selfish. It was because we didn't know what we would do. We didn't have lawyers that were from the city and marketing company. We had to figure that out. So we trying hold this up and be businessmen and rappers and do beats and tour and everything else. And we didn't have an opportunity to pull the kids up. Snoop was the only other person I ever heard talk about that. That was our fault. So the kids put themselves on, so why should they with us? We didn't do nothing to pull them up. So all I can do is be here and be an example and y'all be surprised what kids call me and the questions that they ask. So they just waiting on us, though.
David Banner
David Banner, we appreciate you, man. You know, you're welcome. Anytime on Big Facts, y'all make sure y'all support everything. What's that website again, man?
Carlos Miller
Dot com.
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There you go. Davidbatter.com support everything he got going on. Yeah, yeah, stream that message. Check us out too.
Carlos Miller
Business coming up, obviously, E.T. that's, that's coming up.
DJ Scream
Okay.
Carlos Miller
Huh?
DJ Scream
Family business.
Carlos Miller
Oh, family business New Orleans.
DJ Scream
Yeah, Family business New Orleans. Shout out to that girl Regina over there. Everything intact.
Carlos Miller
Before I Go was the movie that I played the God in.
DJ Scream
Before I Go.
Carlos Miller
Really, really, really excited about that, man. And you know what? I just ask people, just. Just support. You know, you have to invest in people that you want to see successful, right? If. If y'all if black people all emotional about politics. I don't understand. This is the last thing I promise I'm going. Why do we go get the same who didn't give a about no politics before to talk about politics now? I never understood this. Why don't you go get the who've always been talking politics. That's always been. You don't do that. Yeah, we go get the same that's popular and then expect them to know or do what's best for us. If I. I talked about this on another show. If we've been engineered into a problem, wouldn't it be smarter to get a engineer if we really want some real answers. But we know we just want to talk about this.
David Banner
Yeah.
Carlos Miller
Nobody want to do nothing. Yeah. I be done did the wrong and be the only like that dumb in here. That's why I be just what's your son. Oh, yeah. You want to do something. I want to do something. But you know what I am gonna do, bro? I'm gonna get a whole bunch of money, man. And. And y'all my. My dream, you know, I gotta go. I probably want to buy water. I want to buy water. Like, as much as we talk revolution, if the white folks cut off our water, cut off our electricity, we gonna get right. You know what I'm saying?
David Banner
Jackson saw some of that, right, bro.
Carlos Miller
I'm gonna tell you something. Camera's cut off. All right. Like, I developed something, bro, and submitted it to some really powerful people, bro. Like, if I'm gonna show you some of this. Hey, Virginia, can you pull up that water thing for him? You got that? The. The water proposal, bro. Like. Like. No, I'll say this, and I'mma shut up. I really, really believe that my talents and my ability to think is being wasted. Yeah, bro. I really think that I can help do some things that help change the world. And Derek Grace said it one time, Derek Gray said, could you imagine David Banner with a billion dollars or billions of dollars that is accessible? Whatever we think about and we can really do it, we wouldn't have to go to nobody else, you know, and that's the reason why I was telling you that I gotta be more quiet because look at what level I'm getting to. And you know, them folks, like, as much as black people think that you get some credit or some money being revolutionary, you don't. That scared me, bro. And I. I finally break my way through them doors, and then I start popping that again. And then if y'all notice, I slowly disappear. You even Said that. Make sure that you don't go disappear again. You don't think I'll be trying? Be like, they did it to me on Instagram, like, okay. With your hot ass. It was the time. You remember the time every time I spoke. 78,000, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Gauges that went down to 300, you know? But you know what it taught me and what God has shown me is that means we have to build our own technology and our own platform. Yeah, we gotta, we gotta stop, you know, giving our power to other people and then be surprised because they do the same thing every time. Right. I. I look at, I look at America as a snake.
DJ Scream
And why is that?
Carlos Miller
Even if you had a pet rattlesnake and y'all was cool, then the rattlesnake was cool, decided to bite you one day, would you be surprised?
DJ Scream
No.
Carlos Miller
Why?
DJ Scream
Because it's still a snake.
Carlos Miller
Historically, people have always been snakes. Are there some good snakes? Yeah. The black snake, for a farmer, may be the best snake on this planet. Maybe the best animal on this planet. Keeps the rats out and all, kind of. Right. But like Mark, I mean, like Muhammad Ali said, when you see a black snake, if it's all amongst a whole bunch of other snakes, you're not gonna be like, ooh, that black snake. Now you like all them snakes. Big facts now.
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Carlos Miller
Need some money. Give you boys some money, man. Yeah, man. For the streets. Exactly. It's big facts. No cap.
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Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club - "BIG FACTS feat. DAVID BANNER"
Release Date: December 28, 2024
Hosts: DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God
Guest: David Banner
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts
[02:36] Carlos Miller:
Carlos Miller opens the conversation by expressing his pride in the evolution of the hosts and the guest, David Banner. He emphasizes the importance of personal growth and the challenges faced by black individuals in professional environments.
Notable Quote:
"Building a career isn't just about a job. It's about creating a path that impacts our community and future generations." – Carlos Miller [00:22]
[05:47] DJ Scream:
DJ Scream steers the discussion towards David Banner's experiences growing up in Jackson, Mississippi, and the broader implications of being a black man in America.
[06:25] Carlos Miller:
Carlos shares his deep appreciation for Mississippi, highlighting the stark realities of race relations and the lessons learned from his upbringing. He discusses the duality of relationships with white individuals in Mississippi, where genuine connections can lead to sacrifice, but superficial ones result in betrayal.
Notable Quote:
"Mississippi was the most beautiful thing in the world because it gave me this harsh truth." – Carlos Miller [06:25]
[08:39] DJ Scream:
DJ Scream acknowledges the depth of Carlos's insights into racism and history, prompting further exploration of systemic issues and their roots.
[09:28] DJ Scream:
Carlos delves into the historical oppression of black people, referencing governmental actions like COINTELPRO and the assassination of leaders like Patrice Lumumba. He underscores the ongoing systemic violence against black communities, including police brutality.
Notable Quote:
"Until we convince our people that it's a systemic problem, we take everything by case." – Carlos Miller [09:28]
[10:30] David Banner:
David emphasizes the necessity of protecting and nurturing the black community, starting with self-care and education.
[11:32] Carlos Miller:
Carlos shares his personal journey of balancing career ambition with family responsibilities. He reflects on the sacrifices made for success and the importance of maintaining meaningful relationships.
Notable Quote:
"If you don't take care of yourself, you won't be here." – David Banner [10:30]
[15:20] David Banner:
The discussion shifts to the challenges artists face in retaining control over their work and the importance of financial independence. Carlos critiques the current music industry's exploitation and advocates for direct support from the community.
[26:17] David Banner:
David inquires about artists selling their catalogs, prompting Carlos to discuss the importance of financial autonomy and the pitfalls of depending on large corporations like Spotify and Apple.
Notable Quote:
"We give them to tech companies. I wouldn't even be as emotional if we would give it to music companies." – Carlos Miller [26:17]
[78:55] Carlos Miller:
Carlos expresses his desire to create black superhero films that offer authentic representation. He critiques the lack of black characters in mainstream media and the importance of depicting black excellence and humanity.
Notable Quote:
"Superheroes are showing you God incarnate. And so they're telling us we are not gods." – Carlos Miller [81:42]
[89:18] DJ Scream:
The conversation turns to the responsibility of black individuals to uplift each other and the importance of preserving and celebrating black history and achievements.
[99:41] Carlos Miller:
Carlos reflects on his role as a community leader and the importance of self-respect and mutual support within the black community. He emphasizes the need to build internally rather than relying on external systems.
Notable Quote:
"We have to be kind of the stuff that we do, bro." – Carlos Miller [84:57]
[99:41] Carlos Miller:
In his closing remarks, Carlos urges listeners to invest in their community, support black-owned businesses, and foster genuine connections. He stresses the importance of collective responsibility in combating systemic issues and uplifting the next generation.
Notable Quote:
"We are going to make sure that you're powerful so that when we need you, then we can use you." – Carlos Miller [51:09]
[114:49] Carlos Miller:
Carlos concludes by reiterating the necessity of building autonomous systems within the black community, free from external manipulation and oppression.
Systemic Racism: The episode delves deep into the historical and ongoing systemic oppression of black communities, highlighting the need for collective awareness and action.
Community Empowerment: Emphasis is placed on the importance of supporting black-owned businesses, fostering internal community growth, and maintaining cultural integrity.
Personal Responsibility: The conversation underscores the role of individual responsibility in uplifting the community, balancing personal success with familial and societal obligations.
Representation in Media: Carlos advocates for authentic black representation in media, particularly in genres like superhero films, to counteract stereotypes and provide positive role models.
Financial Independence: A critical discussion on the exploitation within the music industry and the necessity for artists to seek financial autonomy and direct support from their audience.
The episode "BIG FACTS feat. DAVID BANNER" serves as a powerful discourse on the intersection of race, culture, and personal responsibility. Through candid dialogue, Carlos Miller and David Banner explore the multifaceted challenges faced by black individuals in America, offering insightful critiques and actionable solutions. The conversation is both a reflection on historical injustices and a call to empower the present and future generations through unity, education, and self-sufficiency.
For those who haven't listened:
This episode is a thoughtful exploration of pressing issues within the black community, blending personal anecdotes with broader social commentary. It's an essential listen for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of race, identity, and empowerment in contemporary society.
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