DONKEY: Josh Hokit Calls Michelle Obama a ‘Man’ In His UFC Post-Win Interview

Summary

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The Breakfast Club — Donkey of the Day: Josh Hokit Calls Michelle Obama a ‘Man’

Date: June 15, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guest/Subject: Donkey of the Day Segment - Josh Hokit (UFC Fighter)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Charlamagne Tha God delivers the "Donkey of the Day" segment, focusing on UFC fighter Josh Hokit’s controversial post-fight remarks. After a high-profile UFC event at the White House, Hokit used his victory speech to promote a conspiracy theory about former First Lady Michelle Obama, calling her a "man." The segment addresses the racist and transphobic undertones of such conspiracies, explores their history, and doubles down on why comments like Hokit's are harmful and regressive for America—not just Black Americans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Josh Hokit's UFC Post-Fight Interview [03:54–04:41]

• Charlamagne introduces the incident:
  • UFC Freedom 250, held on the White House lawn and funded by $60 million with significant federal security presence.
  • After winning, Josh Hokit uses post-match interview to shout-out Trump and call Michelle Obama a "man."
• Clip played:
  • “Hey, shout out to Trump for having the [courage] to put some [like this] on and if I’m gonn. Michelle Obama is a man. Am I right, America?” – [04:41]

2. Roots and History of the Conspiracy Theory [04:59–06:11]

• Charlamagne underscores that rumors questioning Michelle Obama’s gender date back to the Obama presidency.
• Quotes from message boards and references to "Big Mike" and conspiracies paralleling birtherism.
• Recalls Joan Rivers' old remark, and how figures like Alex Jones stoked these conspiracies further.
  • “By the way, this isn’t the first time we’ve heard this foolishness, okay? All through Obama’s presidency, Michelle Obama being a man was right up there with the birthrism [sic] conspiracy.” – Charlamagne [04:59]
• Clip of Joan Rivers implying Barack Obama is gay and Michelle is transgender played for context.

3. The Problem with Hokit's Statement and Its Significance [06:12–07:50]

• Charlamagne analyzes why these conspiracies continue: designed to dehumanize Black individuals who represent progress and hope to marginalized communities.
• Noteworthy analogy: “Josh Hokit, you got the right last name, sir, because this is indeed the starter kit for being a hoe.” [04:59]
• Charlamagne notes the Obamas remain targets because of what their success signifies to "insecure white men."
• "You had a chance to thank your family… instead, you used your moment to shout out Trump and slander former First Lady Michelle Obama." – Charlamagne [06:31]

4. Reflection on the Obamas' Legacy and America's Standards [07:22–08:50]

• The Obamas established a “standard for decency and class and poise and intelligence in the White House.”
  • “You didn’t have to agree with the Obamas politically to recognize they were a master class in dignity, all right? Truly grace under fire. Now that bar is in hell, okay? Satan and his demons use that bar to limbo.” – Charlamagne [07:31]
• The recent incident is used to highlight America’s regression on issues of equality and decency, especially within political discourse.

5. Broader Social Commentary: Dehumanization and Resilience [08:50–09:34]

• Charlamagne urges listeners not to internalize lies or allow stereotypes and conspiracy theories to impact their self-worth.
  • “Their dehumanization is Their sickness, not our identity.” [09:29]
  • “Never let anybody else's foolishness make you internalize their lies, okay? Never let anybody else's prejudice become your self-image, all right? Black people have survived way too much to let conspiracy theories and stereotypes define us, okay?” – Charlamagne [09:10]

6. Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “Josh Holkett and people like Josh Holkett don’t look at Black people as equal, okay? It’s really that simple.” – Charlamagne [08:16]
• “See, the Obama’s set a standard for decency and class and poise and intelligence in the White House, okay? That no longer exists now, all right?” – Charlamagne [07:31]
• “The bottom is their ceiling. And people like Josh Hokutt remind us of that every chance they get.” – Charlamagne [07:52]
• "Chelsea Handler, give Josh Hokit the biggest Hee Haw. Hee haw." [09:40]
  Playful call for comic retribution.
• “That is way too much damn mayonnaise.” – Charlamagne [09:42]

7. Classic "Hee Haw" & Closing Remarks [09:40–10:09]

• Multiple comedic requests for celebrities to give Hokit a figurative "Hee Haw" (mockery for ignorance).
• Co-hosts play along with laughter and banter.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:39–03:54 | Donkey of the Day segment begins | | 04:41 | Josh Hokit's post-fight comment played | | 05:54–06:11 | Joan Rivers' old comment revisited | | 07:31 | Discussion on the Obamas' legacy and changing White House norms | | 09:10 | Charlamagne on not internalizing others' prejudice | | 09:40–09:42 | "Hee Haw" calls for mockery |

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Flow, Tone, and Engagement

The episode maintains The Breakfast Club’s signature conversational, sarcastic, and irreverent tone. Charlamagne's delivery slides between sharp social critique and playful banter, ensuring listeners remain both informed and entertained. Co-hosts and sound effects add levity, while Charlamagne closes with genuine advice aimed at uplifting listeners targeted by such prejudices.

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Summary Takeaway:
Charlamagne uses Josh Hokit's inflammatory comments as an opportunity to deconstruct the persistence of racist and transphobic conspiracy theories, highlight the dignified standard set by the Obamas, and remind listeners to reject the internalization of hateful rhetoric. The segment is both a stern rebuke of ignorance and a call for resilience and pride among Black audiences.

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Transcript

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[Audience Member/Caller]

Give it to him. Give it to him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You are a donkey. That is why Charlemagne is here. Some donkey today just saw himself on the Breakfast Club. Okay, Charlemagne, who you giving donkey of the day to today? Well, donkey, Today for Monday, June 15th goes the USC fighter Josh Hokit. Okay. Oh, the mayonnaise is heavy with this one, ladies and gentlemen. Now, last night, UFC Freedom 250 was held on the White House lawn, a $60 million spectacle paid for by the UFC. Our tax dollars went to at least seven federal agencies who were providing standard security and emergency support. Sounds like a waste of our tax dollars to me, but what do I know? Now, Josh Hokut won his bout at the UFC Freedom250 event. And then as he was being interviewed by Joe Rogan after his match, he decided to say this.

[Audience Member/Caller]

Hey, shout out to Trump for having the to put some like this on and if I'm gonn. Michelle Obama is a man. Am I right, America?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Obamas haven't been in the White House since 2016, okay? But what they represent, the possibilities they represent for black people in this country scare the hell out of insecure white men like Josh Holkett, okay? It bothers them and terrifies them to think the descendants of the enslaved, okay, the descendants of the oppressed, can rise to the levels that the Obamas did in this country. All right? Josh Hoekitt, you got the right last name, sir, because this is indeed the starter kit for being a hoe, all right? By the way, this isn't the first time we've heard this foolishness, okay? All through Obama's presidency, Michelle Obama being a man was right up there with the birthrism conspiracy, okay? It used to be on message boards and in the deep, dark crevices of the web, they used to call the former First Lady Big Mike. And I remember when Joan Rivers made those comments about Michelle Obama on CNN of all places. This was like 2000. I don't even remember. Thirteen, maybe. Let's listen.

[Co-host/Caller]

And do you think that the country will see the first. The United States will see the first gay president or the first woman president?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have it with Obama. So let's just calm down.

[Co-host/Caller]

Got it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, Michelle is a trans.

[Co-host/Caller]

I'm sorry, she's a what?

[Ryan Reynolds]

A trans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Transgender. We all know.

[Co-host/Caller]

Oh, my gosh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That wasn't cnn, actually. But if you was. If you couldn't hear, she said that Barack was gay and that Michelle was trans. So after that, people like Alex Jones amplified that conspiracy theory, and then they had that old Christmas picture of Michelle and Barack that they altered to make Michelle look like a man. It. It doesn't even make sense to fact check foolishness like this. This is just a baseless conspiracy theory that has been circulating on the Internet forever, and it's been debunked over and over and over again. And this is one times I'm grateful that the first lady has her own platform, okay? Her own podcast. Because now, Michelle, you got content, okay? If you choose.

[Co-host/Caller]

All right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't. I don't think we've ever heard her address how those rumors made her feel. And by the way, if she chooses not to address it, I'm cool with that, too. Because the reality is the truth. Don't need no defense, only witnesses. Okay? I just find it strange that Josh whole kid just won a fight. You did what you came to do. You had a chance to thank your family, okay? You could have thanked Satan because I'm sure that's who you worship. You could have promoted your next fight. You could have saluted your sponsors. You could have told your mama you love her. Instead, you used your moment to shout out Trump and slander former First Lady Michelle Obama. And I don't know why you MAGA lovers do that. Because all you do when you bring the Obamas up is remind people of what is currently missing from the White House, okay? See, the Obama's set a standard for decency and class and poise and intelligence in the White House, okay? That no longer exists now, all right? You didn't have to agree with the Obamas politically to recognize that they were a master class in dignity, all right? Truly grace under fire. Now that bar is in hell, okay? Satan and his demons use that bar to limbo. They got that bar down there and they cha cha sliding to it. You hear me? How low can they go? Can they go down low all the way to the floor? How low can they go? Can they bring it to the top? No, they can't, okay? The bottom is their ceiling. And people like Josh Hokutt remind us of that every chance they get. See, this event was supposed to be celebrating the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, okay? The Declaration of Independence asserts that all people are created equal and possess unalienable rights, okay? Including life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness. This was a reminder that Josh Holkett and people like Josh Holkett don't look at black people as equal, okay? It's really that simple. This was his way of marginalizing the first lady and trying to remind us all they don't see us as equals. And life liberty in the pursuit of happiness is for them, not us, okay? This country has been trying to dehumanize black people forever. Every few years somebody comes and dust off the same tired playbook and introduces it to to a new generation. But my brothers and sisters, don't let ignorance dehumanize us, okay? Since some of us came to this country, they have been trying to question our humanity, our intelligence, our beauty, and I guess now even our gender. But don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever allow somebody else's foolishness, okay? To make you internalize their lies, okay? Never let anybody else's foolishness make you internalize their lies, okay? Never let anybody else's prejudice become your self image, all right? Black people have survived way too much to let conspiracy theories and stereotypes define us, okay? Their dehumanization is Their sickness, not our identity. Please let Chelsea Handler give Josh whole kid the biggest Hee Haw. Hee haw.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Hee Haw.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is way too much. Dan Mayonnaise. Can Kathy Griffin give him the biggest Hee Haw too? Please give this giant jar of mayo the biggest Hee Haw. I know Chris Rock is busy celebrating the Knicks win, but has he got anything to say? Cracker. Ass cracker. Oh, what about my girl that worked the drive through? She still worked there. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Co-host/Caller]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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