DONKEY: Porsha Williams Dishes On Divorce, Nene Leakes, Kenya Moore Exiting RHOA + More - The Breakfast Club

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Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Episode: "DONKEY: Porsha Williams Dishes On Divorce, Nene Leakes, Kenya Moore Exiting RHOA + More"

Release Date: March 5, 2025

Hosts: DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha God, Lauren LaRosa (filling in for Jess Hilarious)
Guest: Portia Williams

1. Welcome and Introduction

The episode kicks off with the dynamic trio—Charlamagne Tha God, DJ Envy, and Lauren LaRosa—welcoming special guest Portia Williams back to The Breakfast Club. Portia expresses her excitement about returning to the show after a three-year hiatus, highlighting her eagerness to reconnect with fans and revisit unresolved storylines.

Portia Williams (00:56):
"Three years away from the show and now I'm back. It's really exciting to be honest with you, you know, like, each season when it comes, you never know what to expect."

2. Portia Williams' Return and Current Life

Portia delves into her life outside the spotlight, discussing her departure from Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA) and the personal growth she has experienced during her time away. She emphasizes her commitment to transparency with her fans, despite the unpredictable nature of reality TV.

Portia Williams (02:04):
"I have a certain relationship with my fans. I'VE been doing a show for 10 years and they're really not fans. I call them supporters because they've been with me through everything."

3. The Divorce Saga

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Portia's tumultuous divorce. She clarifies misconceptions, stating that infidelity was not the cause, and addresses the rumors surrounding her estranged husband’s legal troubles.

Portia Williams (04:35):
"Just because you're going through a divorce doesn't mean you hate someone. I hate actions. I hate lies. I hate a lot of characteristics, but I love the person."

The hosts press for more details, leading Portia to explain her decision to file for divorce without involving ICE, noting the complexities of her husband's legal status.

Portia Williams (05:47):
"I'm trying to finish my divorce, and I can't do that if I don't have a person to divorce. Really, you gotta be out to do it. We need to be in court."

4. On-Air Drama and Production Challenges

Portia discusses the challenges of having her personal struggles televised, expressing a desire to maintain her peace amidst the chaos that filming can bring. She also touches upon the dynamics with new cast members and the pressure to keep up appearances for the sake of the show.

Portia Williams (07:43):
"This season could affect me more than any other season."

5. Relationships with Co-stars

The conversation shifts to Portia's relationships with fellow RHOA cast members, particularly addressing tensions with Simone Whitmore and Kenya Moore. Portia defends herself against accusations from Simone, labeling some interactions as misrepresented rather than malicious.

Portia Williams (12:31):
"I have a problem with you... Some of them fit, some it's not fitting for you."

Regarding Kenya Moore’s exit from the show, Portia expresses mixed feelings but remains hopeful for reconciliation.

Portia Williams (32:41):
"I felt like Kenya then decided to be even more dangerous. But I do feel like there's a space where there could be a conversation with her."

6. Editing and Misrepresentation

Portia addresses concerns about how the show edits and portrays relationships, explaining that certain moments may be sensationalized for dramatic effect, which can lead to misunderstandings among viewers.

Portia Williams (40:21):
"They just want to here how long it lasts. Like, it's a good time. Not a long time."

7. Personal Growth and Future Endeavors

Portia reflects on her personal growth, attributing her increased confidence to motherhood and the responsibilities that come with it. She discusses her acting career, highlighting her role in an upcoming Lifetime movie where she portrays a detective, showcasing a different facet of her talent.

Portia Williams (45:12):
"I was really hyper focused on acting. I did a lot of voiceovers. And now I'm like, you know what? It's time to pivot back into that."

8. Views on Relationships and Future Marriages

In a candid discussion about future relationships, Portia shares her thoughts on dating post-divorce, emphasizing the importance of honesty and self-sufficiency. She also touches upon cultural aspects related to dating Nigerian men, dispelling stereotypes and highlighting her desire for meaningful connections.

Portia Williams (50:12):
"I am Nigerian, so... I don't think there's anything wrong with you saying, but you have to tell the other people that you're dating that they not getting no sex."

9. Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

As the episode nears its end, Portia reiterates her commitment to authenticity and her appreciation for the network and fellow cast members who support her journey. The hosts wrap up the conversation with light-hearted banter, affirming Portia's presence and contributions to the show.

Portia Williams (56:39):
"I really want to be attracted to him. Like, I really want to be like, I want to be really attracted to him."

DJ Envy (57:56):
"Portia Williams, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning."

Notable Quotes:

Portia Williams (02:04):
"I have a certain relationship with my fans. I'VE been doing a show for 10 years and they're really not fans. I call them supporters because they've been with me through everything."
Charlamagne Tha God (05:07):
"I do wanna say, though, Portia, you are a beaut. So I can see why a man would want to be in this country illegally to be with you. So do you feel like. Do you feel like it's kind of your fault just a little?"
Portia Williams (05:47):
"I'm trying to finish my divorce, and I can't do that if I don't have a person to divorce. Really, you gotta be out to do it. We need to be in court."
Portia Williams (12:31):
"I have a problem with you... Some of them fit, some it's not fitting for you."
Portia Williams (50:12):
"I am Nigerian, so... I don't think there's anything wrong with you saying, but you have to tell the other people that you're dating that they not getting no sex."

Conclusion

This episode of The Breakfast Club offers an in-depth look into Portia Williams' personal and professional life, shedding light on her divorce, relationships with co-stars, and future aspirations. Through candid conversations and emotional revelations, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the challenges and triumphs Porter has faced, making this episode a compelling listen for both fans and newcomers alike.

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[00:00]
Charlamagne Tha God
Wake that ass up. Early in the morning, the Breakfast Club.
[00:04]
DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa filling in for Jess. And we got a special guest in the building. Capital P. Portia is back. Portia Williams. Welcome.
[00:17]
Portia Williams
What's good?
[00:18]
DJ Envy
How you feeling?
[00:19]
Portia Williams
I'm feeling good. I was just saying, come in here this time of the morning, this is it. This is nine, ten. This is good.
[00:25]
Charlamagne Tha God
You can do that.
[00:25]
DJ Envy
You can't do the 6 in the morning, the 5:30.
[00:27]
Portia Williams
You wasn't with. Yeah. When I was guest hosting with y'all. Yeah, yeah. But I love you. Oh, I love you. I love you on this show.
[00:33]
Charlamagne Tha God
Her name Lauren. Like your sister.
[00:34]
Portia Williams
Yes. I love me a good Lauren. Lauren. Yes.
[00:37]
Justina Valentine
Lauren's are special people.
[00:38]
Portia Williams
They really are. I was just saying this morning, how many I have. My assistant is Lauren. Lauren. We have another stylist. Lauren. It's just Lauren's everywhere.
[00:45]
DJ Envy
Lauren's everywhere.
[00:46]
Charlamagne Tha God
You look rich.
[00:47]
Portia Williams
Thank you.
[00:48]
Justina Valentine
You do you giving gloves, giving money.
[00:50]
Portia Williams
Giving rich, honey.
[00:51]
DJ Envy
The spirit is giving rich back on Housewives.
[00:55]
Portia Williams
Yes.
[00:55]
DJ Envy
Who would have thought?
[00:56]
Portia Williams
Three years away from the show and now I'm back. It's really exciting to be honest with you, you know, like, each season when it comes, you never know what to expect. Like, am I excited? I mean, it's like, you know, feels like a job. But being away three years and coming back is really good for me because I get to see everybody who I had not seen on the show. You know, the fans are back, Housewives fams are back. And I don't know, it was just a big turn of events, you know, like, when I first decided to come back to the show, I was like, happily married. Like, ooh, I'm about to really show y'all something. You know, storyline gonna be extra popping. Yeah.
[01:35]
Justina Valentine
You posted that Valentine's Day photo and was downhill from there.
[01:37]
Portia Williams
Well, okay, all that. You better have the documented Instagram post. But yeah, it was like that. But as life is, you know, turn of events, it's not always perfect. And so by the time we started filming, that's when the real storyline started.
[01:51]
Charlamagne Tha God
So what happened now, though? Cause you get a lot of money, Portia. It's not like you need to be on Real Housewives of Atlanta.
[01:56]
Portia Williams
God has. You know what? God has really been good to me. Three years away from reality. I know somebody getting money.
[02:02]
Charlamagne Tha God
God has been good to me.
[02:04]
Portia Williams
Really good to me. Okay. In spite of. Okay. But no, you know, I have a certain relationship with my fans. I'VE been doing a show for 10 years and they're really not fans. I call them supporters because they've been with me through everything. A divorce, giving birth to Pilara on tv, like ups and downs of life. And so, you know, I really felt like at the time it was gonna be great to share my life, my happily married life, you know? But I one thing about me and my fans do, respect, I'm transparent. So even though it didn't turn out the story that I wanted to share, I still was open with what I had.
[02:41]
Justina Valentine
I was saying before you walked in and your team wanted me to tell you too, don't forget your coat. Pull it down. It shifts up when you sit down. Yeah, but before you walked in, I was saying that I've never met you before, but from Instagram to the show, you just seem like my homegirl. Like, I wanna drink with you, I wanna party with you. I know so much about you because you are very transparent. I remember when you did the Family, like the Family series.
[03:01]
Portia Williams
Family Matt Porches, Family Matt.
[03:02]
Justina Valentine
It was kind of similar where you were so excited to show things and then it just went left and now we're here with the marriage stuff.
[03:07]
Portia Williams
Well, I tend to put different mixes in the soup. Maybe I can't cook. Cause why would I have put my fiance and my baby daddy on the same show? So, yeah, but it makes for great tv. I mean, even the time I had away from tv, my sister and I will always say, damn, we wish it was cameras here. You know what I mean? Because it's just some people are just like that. And I've always been the type of person to use my life as a testimony. So even though it's difficult for people to show their lives and talk about it, I get healing from it. From meeting people to say, oh, I can relate to that. Or, I made some crazy mistakes in love too. Or, I believed a Negro one time too. Girl, that all helps you process things.
[03:47]
DJ Envy
So let's. Let's. I wanna know. Let's start with the divorce, right?
[03:50]
Portia Williams
Oh, let's do it.
[03:50]
DJ Envy
People automatically assume two in the morning. People assumed it was infidelity. But, you know, in the first episode, you talk about, you would go to the airport and you would always get pulled to the side. And you got to the point you was like, why the hell do we keep getting pulled to the side?
[04:04]
Portia Williams
Right, right, right.
[04:05]
DJ Envy
Did you call Ice on Sonne?
[04:07]
Portia Williams
No, no. It doesn't benefit me at all for him to be locked up mentally and financially. It doesn't benefit me. You know, Just because you're going through a divorce doesn't mean you hate someone. I hate actions. I hate lies. I hate a lot of characteristics, but I love the person, you know? And I would never wish harm on anybody. And at the end of the day, I know that he's a tough person. He's a slithering snake. He's gonna find his way out of it. I'm sure he'll be fine, you know, and I pray for him, his family, and I hope they all figure it out.
[04:35]
Charlamagne Tha God
But he.
[04:37]
Portia Williams
But I called him.
[04:38]
Charlamagne Tha God
You. No, you called him a snake, but the snake got you.
[04:41]
Portia Williams
Yeah, they do. They get around you in that whole real tight. That whole real, real, real tight. But that's also me. I mean, I love, love. And when I meet someone, I'm a cancer. And when I meet someone who reciprocates that, nothing else really matters. It's how you make me feel. I'm very intentional. So if your intentions towards me feel authentic and it feels real, I'm gonna trust that. And that's just how I live my life experience.
[05:07]
Charlamagne Tha God
I do wanna say, though, Portia, you are a beautif. So I can see why a man would want to be in this country illegally to be with you. So do you feel like. Do you feel like it's kind of your fault just a little?
[05:17]
Portia Williams
I think it's the country's fault. I think he's having a whole issue that started before I was even born, that unfortunately, it's just come to this. Shit didn't hit the fan. It just is what it is at this point.
[05:31]
Justina Valentine
So where is it at right now? Because last. The last reports were like, he's detained. The this and shit was denied. Like, so where is he physically and like, what is, like, what's happening right now?
[05:40]
Portia Williams
So I only know as much as you guys know and as much as what's online. As far as I know, they've been posting that he's still being detained.
[05:47]
Justina Valentine
So in Georgia?
[05:50]
Portia Williams
I'm not sure. I haven't looked into it that much. I just know I'm trying to finish my divorce, and I can't do that if I don't have a person to divorce. Really, you gotta be out to do it? We need to be in court. Yeah, well, you know, he wanted to have our last court date, which was just a couple weeks. A week ago. He asked for it to be in person. I didn't want it to be in person because I knew this whole thing, you know, when I got enlightened about that.
[06:15]
Charlamagne Tha God
I knew this whole thing. So you did call ice?
[06:16]
Portia Williams
No, I knew that he already had a peculiar situation with the United States of America.
[06:22]
Justina Valentine
Gotcha.
[06:22]
Portia Williams
And so it wasn't gonna benefit me or him for it to be in person. We had already done a year's worth of the divorce over zoom. So why in person? Why are you fighting for that girl?
[06:34]
Justina Valentine
You would have showed up looking just like that, too.
[06:35]
Portia Williams
Who, me? Takora. Oh, well, you know, you gotta give him that last look.
[06:38]
Justina Valentine
You woulda.
[06:40]
Portia Williams
Period.
[06:41]
Charlamagne Tha God
Now. I don't want the divorce.
[06:43]
DJ Envy
Nothing you can do now. He also filed that he didn't want you to record in the house.
[06:48]
Portia Williams
Yes, yes, So I did.
[06:50]
DJ Envy
But it was your house.
[06:51]
Portia Williams
Yes, our house. So, I mean, I know he's explained it a thousand different ways online. He has documented our entire divorce on the Simon show online. And then I have the housewives, I suppose. But, yeah, there is paperwork in place that would make it a marital property. 50. 50 split. Outside of that being enforced, it is a premarital property or whatever. But, you know, I am on the other side of this. Like, we've been divorcing now through this process for a whole year. And, you know, I've. Emotionally, it's caught up with what I had to do. So, like, emotionally, I feel like I'm ready to be done with it. I'm ready to heal, ready to move. But, you know, here comes a reality show. So here's the part of my life where it gets interesting. I'm done with the divorce, but I had to deal with it all. The darkness on camera.
[07:42]
DJ Envy
So it comes right back.
[07:44]
Portia Williams
Yeah. And so now it has to come back. So now I have to be super prayed up. I have to be super vigilant of who's around me, of energies. I have to be very protective of my peace at this point because I know what I'm getting into more than any other season. This season could affect me more than any other season.
[08:01]
Justina Valentine
And, girl, this is your season. Like, I mean, you've always been like, you, Kenya, Nene, Kandi, y'all are the OG Girls. But right now, I think we're all excited because you have been away from the show. We know that Kenya eventually exits. Nini's not there, Candy's not there. So it's like we are looking for you to bring back how it used to feel. So there's so many eyes, and people are going to critique it so much. So, like, what's the daily mantra with filming? Because these girls are not. They're not Always going to give you that protective piece that you're talking about.
[08:26]
Portia Williams
Well, no, because I just met a couple of them.
[08:28]
Justina Valentine
I know the show started with bs. They didn't let me crazy.
[08:31]
Portia Williams
It was like, hey, girl, who are you? Like, wait, what? So, you know, for me, I came back into this kind of feeling brand new. Not gonna lie. Like, three years is a really long time from having cameras in your life on a daily basis. I was looking into the damn camera lens for most of the time. Like I was for. I was getting stumbling over words. It was like brand new Porsche all over again. And then I just said, you know what? I talked to the producer. So this was collaborative, me coming back. A big part of me coming back was collaborative. We had conversations, my husband or estranged husband in production, about how I wanted to be and how I asked them to be was completely honest. I asked them, can I break the fourth wall? Fourth wall on reality TV is saying, I'm late because I had to film at my mama house because it's a cease and desist on my crib. You know what I'm saying? So I told them, I said, listen, the only way I can do this is to just speak my truth and be 100% honest. You can edit what you gotta do later, right? But for me to get through this at this dark time and losing, like, I have to be as honest as I possibly can. And they agreed to that. And I feel like they stuck with that. You know, I gotta see the show. But I feel like they stuck to letting me just live authentically.
[09:44]
DJ Envy
Did you see the first episode?
[09:45]
Portia Williams
I did see the first episode. I did. Mm.
[09:48]
DJ Envy
What did you think? Cause I feel like they got you walking into bs.
[09:52]
Portia Williams
Yeah.
[09:52]
DJ Envy
Like, they show this whole grand thing and you working on this, you go into the attorney, you're doing everything, then you walk right into the bullshit.
[09:59]
Portia Williams
Yeah.
[09:59]
Justina Valentine
Homegirl is Kelly. It's like, why does she steal that lady's man?
[10:03]
Portia Williams
Right?
[10:03]
Justina Valentine
Husband, whatever.
[10:05]
DJ Envy
Explain who Kelly is.
[10:05]
Justina Valentine
For people on Social. Dang.
[10:07]
DJ Envy
When I was talking to Kelly.
[10:08]
Justina Valentine
Kelly is. She's one of the new girls. She owns a waffle business. And yeah, that's all she.
[10:16]
Portia Williams
I mean, listen, Real Housewives of Atlanta has never really let brand new people, possible fans of the show, be housewife. First season, they normally play friends for a little bit, then become a housewife, right? So when you have people who she can be queen bee of wherever she's from, but you still feel like you have to act a certain way to be on Housewives, and I think that's what that moment was, because at the end of the day, who doesn't know the story of me and Simon? Who doesn't know what actually really happened with that enough to say who stole who? Who stole what? Like, you know, So I just felt like she was wanting to have a moment and I was dismissive of it. Like, ain't that whack of producers, though? Delayed.
[10:58]
Charlamagne Tha God
Wasn't that whack of the producers too, though?
[11:01]
Portia Williams
No, that's what I'm trying to tell you. So this season, the producers did not overproduce us. They really didn't. And that's.
[11:08]
DJ Envy
They had to from the start.
[11:09]
Portia Williams
No, no, it really. It really wasn't like she felt that way. She felt like she wanted to ask me that and she wanted to have a moment. But you look whack doing that. And she eventually straightens up. But, you know, she had to, you know, as a new girl, she coming in thinking, I ain't gonna make a name. I'm gonna come for Portia.
[11:25]
Justina Valentine
It doesn't seem like you too fond of her still after she straightened up. By the way.
[11:28]
Portia Williams
We have a love and hate relationship. We have like the we have. We are literally like, what is it? Oil and water?
[11:34]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oil and vinegar.
[11:36]
DJ Envy
Oil and vinegar.
[11:37]
Portia Williams
Maybe they own none of them match. But baby, me and her, we. We kind of up it. We kind of up and down with it. It's not hateful.
[11:44]
DJ Envy
See, I make up because during that little party, you were like. I don't wanna say little party, but during that party, I don't know what it was.
[11:49]
Portia Williams
You was kinda like. I think she and I argue a lot, but I don't know if it's gonna look as hateful as my arguments have been. If you've known my history on the show when why I keep wanna cuss so much this morning. Is it this outfit? I feel like I play with bitches.
[12:05]
Justina Valentine
Bitches.
[12:07]
Portia Williams
No. When people, when people. When women used to come in on the show, I used to beef with them the whole season and it got so dark. This season does not go that dark. We have funny moments. We talk about each other. We kiki. And yes, we argue, but it's not enough to break sisterhoods.
[12:26]
DJ Envy
Gotcha.
[12:26]
Charlamagne Tha God
I saw Dr. Simone Whitmore call you a mean girl. Why she say that about you? Capital P. You so nice.
[12:31]
Portia Williams
I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't really understand what she was saying. I think Simone is reaching that straws. I mean, I don't know. I think Simone is full of it. Just like that piece of doo doo she had on her head. Like, she just. She, to me, she on her show sometimes when you're on reality tv, right? She's an obgyn. She started on the show and, you know, she was a regular person. And now on the camera. Sometimes when you start lacking in story, you start lacking as a person individually, you start just reaching and coming at bitches who are on point. So she's lacking. So when people lack, they try to deflect and come to you. We didn't see you. I've never even met this person.
[13:09]
Justina Valentine
I wasn't mean.
[13:10]
Charlamagne Tha God
You never even met her.
[13:11]
Portia Williams
I've never even met her, but I never met her.
[13:14]
Justina Valentine
I will say I think a lot, even if you've never met her, because of like, it's been a lot of seasons of Real Housewives of Atlanta and we all feel like we know you guys, so maybe that's what she felt. I don't think you give mean girls. You don't give Mean girl. No, I think mean I definitely get with a bit like you can you. Can you hold your own if you.
[13:30]
Portia Williams
Knock on my buck?
[13:31]
Justina Valentine
Yeah, you definitely do.
[13:32]
Portia Williams
But that's the old Portia. I take that back. I don't do that no more. Right, Lauren? We not gonna see that this season.
[13:36]
Justina Valentine
I've been looking forward to it.
[13:37]
Charlamagne Tha God
I mean, I do get sweated. But if somebody ducks in, you bucks. That's actually of God.
[13:42]
Portia Williams
Exactly.
[13:43]
Charlamagne Tha God
The first law of nature is self preservation. You gotta defend yourself.
[13:45]
Portia Williams
You have to defend yourself.
[13:47]
Justina Valentine
She gonna use that.
[13:48]
Portia Williams
I remember that. I just like, remember that was of God. No, I think Mean girl is when you have a cast member who had a death in their family and you are still hard on them. Sometimes you gotta know when someone needs a hug, not a lecture. And Symone does not have that sense at all. I just feel like she has been very mean and a little bit evil to some of her castmates.
[14:08]
DJ Envy
Yeah, I didn't get Mean girl from the first episode. I got late. You was late?
[14:11]
Portia Williams
I was late. I was late. I was trying not to be late. But again, logistics, behind the scenes, things that you will see and things you don't know. I had to film at my mom's house because, you know, I couldn't film in my house at the time. And she lives out in Duluth, baby. And that was on a Friday in the rain.
[14:30]
Justina Valentine
So wait, before we go to your question, you're talking about filming at your mom's house in the house? Because I saw online that You. So you weren't awarded sole possession of the house.
[14:38]
Portia Williams
No, I was.
[14:39]
Justina Valentine
But you still can't film there, so I was.
[14:41]
Portia Williams
So. No. Here's the thing. I could film. I could do what I want in my house. I could film like a whole porno in my house. I can do what I want. Right.
[14:47]
DJ Envy
Why you have to go there?
[14:50]
Portia Williams
I know I ain't had none in a while, so I just had to think about it, but. Okay. So I can do what I want in my house. However, he sent a cease and desist to Bravo. So when he sent that to Bravo, they don't want to play with that. So I needed to get a separate document that said I can film in the house to give to them so they don't have to worry about him harassing them with legal things.
[15:10]
Justina Valentine
Right, Gotcha.
[15:11]
Charlamagne Tha God
But can he send anything legally, being that he's here illegally?
[15:16]
Justina Valentine
Let me Google it.
[15:17]
Portia Williams
I'm not an immigration attorney, but if.
[15:20]
DJ Envy
He has an attorney, he could send whatever.
[15:21]
Charlamagne Tha God
But I would think everything he sends is null and void.
[15:23]
DJ Envy
Yeah, but brav, I'm sure don't want to fight that.
[15:25]
Portia Williams
Well, let's hope so.
[15:29]
Charlamagne Tha God
I want to ask you about this Simone thing, because she said, I think she was, if I'm not mistaken, correct me, Lauren, she was saying that Phaedra left her show to come back with you.
[15:36]
Justina Valentine
Yeah. Cause they freaking fact. So it's like now the reunion of them as a friend. She was basically saying freaking fracking over.
[15:42]
Portia Williams
There to check was whack.
[15:44]
Justina Valentine
Like, okay, so that's what happened.
[15:45]
Portia Williams
Very whack.
[15:46]
Justina Valentine
Because I was going to ask you that because Phaedra comes in later in the season. I'm like, was that switched? Because what did you need the friend or like, did. It's the money thing, Phaedra.
[15:54]
Portia Williams
We always need Phaedra. I don't give a damn. We always need the legends of Real Housewives of Atlanta. There's just certain situations to where we can't have some of them back. But if there was a. Where there's a will, there's a way. I wanted to have Phaedra back. The cast wanted Phaedra back, and Bravo wanted her back in her home on Housewives.
[16:11]
Justina Valentine
So what's Phaedra's Bravo? This check over here on Housewives looking like. Cause she left the whole other show.
[16:15]
Portia Williams
Well, she done made that check and cashed it already. You worried about the check you done already cashed? No, she done cash that check. She coming to get this check.
[16:21]
Justina Valentine
Heard you.
[16:22]
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn.
[16:23]
Justina Valentine
That answers your question.
[16:23]
Portia Williams
Checks Everywhere.
[16:25]
Justina Valentine
You said they what?
[16:26]
Portia Williams
Checks are everywhere.
[16:27]
DJ Envy
Checks everywhere.
[16:27]
Portia Williams
Oh, yeah, everywhere.
[16:28]
DJ Envy
Now, how tight are you and Drew?
[16:30]
Portia Williams
Drew? You know what, Drew? It's some people you just realize. Okay, you just a little.
[16:35]
Justina Valentine
Is she still an ambassador of go Naked hair?
[16:37]
Portia Williams
Absolutely not.
[16:38]
Justina Valentine
Okay. Go Naked hair is Portia's hair brand.
[16:42]
Portia Williams
Put my hair on people's head and then they think they're me. Like that's what I can't do. Like that's what we not gonna do. You don't become Portia by wearing Portia's hair. You need to just enjoy my hair. Take it out when it's dirty and put it in back in when it's clean. You know, like, you can't just like all that. She is a. She's an okay person, I think for a lot of her friends. I think they love her, I think they trust her. I think if you're not her friend, you shouldn't trust her and you shouldn't be around her.
[17:05]
Justina Valentine
Okay, so with you saying you shouldn't trust her, you shouldn't be around her, and she is not wearing go naked hair anymore, you were. Not at all. And I saw it kind of in the first episode. You're not happy about the allegations that she might be in a relationship or whatever with Dennis, your ex.
[17:19]
Portia Williams
See, this is why I like Breakfast Club. You ask the questions that need to be answered. Okay, so here's the thing on the show. I don't know how it's going to come off again because it's just the show has to sensationalize. So how good is it for me to be going through a divorce and I'm still jealous about my baby daddy? That's bs, right? So in real life, she actually was trying to film with him behind my back. And when you.
[17:43]
DJ Envy
He's a music producer, right?
[17:45]
Portia Williams
Uh huh.
[17:45]
DJ Envy
That's what he said on the show. He's a music producer.
[17:47]
Portia Williams
We can start that portion. He's whatever he say he is.
[17:49]
DJ Envy
Okay, Right.
[17:50]
Portia Williams
Yes, he is. He is all. He is a serial entrepreneur and apparently a musician producer. Right, okay. But she was trying to film with him behind my back, and that's just not cool. Come on film with him on housewives. So it's just not cool. Right. It felt like a setup for me in some way. And then also there was a go Naked photo shoot she was trying to set up without me knowing anything about. I have to approve everything. Some of them fit, some it's not fitting for you.
[18:14]
Justina Valentine
Right.
[18:15]
Portia Williams
So. Or some of them looks may not be given the look So I would like to, as the owner of the company, be a part of any of that. So when those two things were happening behind my back on my business, with my business, on my show. Yeah, I have a problem with you.
[18:29]
DJ Envy
So you didn't know Drew was recording with your. With Dennis? You didn't know anything. You didn't know that they were speaking? You didn't know that they were talking until that first episode.
[18:38]
Portia Williams
All the hands in the club.
[18:39]
Justina Valentine
That's what they said on the episode.
[18:40]
Portia Williams
I didn't know any of that.
[18:42]
DJ Envy
So you found out right there in that episode.
[18:43]
Portia Williams
What's so funny? I saw the episode and she was like, she asked him, and I said yes, and she talked to me and I said yes. And I'm like, that's just not true. I genuinely didn't know. Look, at the end of the day, like, I told Shamia, if Drew and Dennis want to get together, I just hope she can do baby hair for Pilar. Like, I'm happy with Drew. I think she's a great parent. I think if him and her were to get together and, you know, they could have a solid relationship, that's good too. Just don't screw me where you asked me to come back to be. She had been asking me to come back to Housewives, and when I came back, this is what you had waiting on me. This Wax storyline that y'all came up with.
[19:21]
Justina Valentine
Oh, so I see what you're saying.
[19:22]
Charlamagne Tha God
If it was real, you wouldn't have a problem.
[19:24]
Portia Williams
Of course not. I've never got. Listen, everybody knows Dennis and I have a great co parenting relationship, and it is strictly because his personal life is his personal life and mine is mine.
[19:35]
DJ Envy
So he didn't say nothing to you at all either? You found out on the show. So y'all didn't have no conversation.
[19:38]
Portia Williams
Now, he ain't gonna tell me because he can benefit off me finding out on the show. Surprise, surprise, surprise. That one. He went on.
[19:47]
Justina Valentine
I thought you and Dennis was homies, though, to the point where, like, he would have called you like, yo, P, this is what's happening. Like, y'all seem like y'all have that really, like, a friendship still.
[19:54]
Portia Williams
No, not about his personal life.
[19:55]
Justina Valentine
Oh, wow. Yeah.
[19:56]
Portia Williams
Not about his personal life. Now I found he is the one who called and invited me to her birthday party. That's what I was like. That's a little pier. Like, why are you inviting me to her birthday party? You know, I called her and I was like, oh, I can't come. You know, I was like, But Dennis invited him. She was like, oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you about Dennis. Yeah, we're working together.
[20:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
I was like, okay, like, you still love Dennis.
[20:17]
Portia Williams
Cool. Yes. Yeah. Not like, you know, please don't take that sound bite like that. I mean, yes, as in that's my daughter's father, and I want the absolute best for him.
[20:27]
Charlamagne Tha God
But do you love him, like, still let him sweat on you type of way?
[20:30]
DJ Envy
You should have said sling hot dogs.
[20:31]
Portia Williams
That's what you should have said for me. No, no, no. I can't even. And, you know, this has been a period of time I've been divorcing a year, you know, and a lot of people move fast, even in their divorce time. I just don't see him in that way. I just don't. And I think because it's because of Pilar, you don't play with that. You know, I'm already going through a divorce, and she's already, you know, losing someone who she called a stepdad, papa, et cetera. I don't want to play with her. Seeing me and her father be in a relationship and then break up, that's not responsible for me. So the love I have for her just causes me not even to be attracted to him in that way at all, because I just don't. We have so many ups and downs. Our relationship can be toxic at times, and I just don't want to enter into that space with him.
[21:22]
DJ Envy
You have a great relationship, parenting. Co parenting.
[21:25]
Portia Williams
We have a good co parent. Well, I am single right now, so we're gonna see how it works out when I get somebody.
[21:30]
Charlamagne Tha God
Is that hard to find somebody, though, Portia, because you are so high profile. Yeah, for you. Cause you're high profile. You on tv. People may not want to be. They may not want their life involved in that.
[21:39]
Portia Williams
True. So certain caliber of people, I do tend to attract a lot of opportunists. So, yes, the people who probably are opportunists and who are in their own lane, doing their own thing and don't want a part of anything I have going on probably tend to skew away from trying to date me, which is the downside of being a reality star. But I just feel like at the end of the day, right now, I can't even think. Think about that. Like, I can't even imagine me, like, being with someone else right now because I still have the energy of my husband around me. So when that's done, I think maybe the atmosphere will be like her king is coming.
[22:20]
Charlamagne Tha God
So do you have to Get.
[22:21]
Portia Williams
Not an African king. Huh?
[22:22]
Charlamagne Tha God
Not an African king.
[22:23]
DJ Envy
But wait, you're not an African American.
[22:24]
Portia Williams
I'm just playing. No, I love African men.
[22:26]
Justina Valentine
I was gonna say, because, you know, I was just. Back in January.
[22:30]
Portia Williams
I know, girl, she got that top. Girl, that girl, that girl. You know how to follow somebody, Girl, you better follow me, girl.
[22:36]
Justina Valentine
Back in January, there was video of you and the Nigerian guy. I don't know how you say his name. Farak. Faruk. Faruk. So that's not bae?
[22:44]
Portia Williams
No.
[22:45]
Justina Valentine
Was it BAE then?
[22:46]
Portia Williams
No. So the culture in Nigeria, you know, Nigeria is a great place. First of all, everybody should visit Nigeria. But when you are from outside of Nigeria and you come to Nigeria, it's best to have a host who is there, who knows everywhere you need to go. Buckhe cannot be safe. Sometimes places in Nigeria may not be as safe, sometimes for women on their own. So when I took Phaedra, I had a host. He was our host. So, yes, I knew at the end of the day, when I saw it on vlogs, I was like, I can't help them thinking that because I am with him for breakfast, I'm going to be with him at dinners, we're going to go to lounges, we're at all the clubs. Because he is the person who is showing me around everywhere.
[23:25]
Justina Valentine
And it was a kiss on the cheek, too.
[23:27]
Portia Williams
He kissed all his friends on the cheek. He had a lot of friends. He was kissing on cheek.
[23:30]
Justina Valentine
I'm just saying that's why the people was like, oh, this is her, man.
[23:32]
Portia Williams
Yeah, but, you know, I'm not that young anymore. I can't really be the type of girl that see you with other women. Like, once I lock on you, we locked in. So, you know, he. He's still young, and he's still doing his thing. He's one of the big guys out there. But I don't. I don't share.
[23:47]
Justina Valentine
It's interesting to see that narrative because I think at one point, especially when you first met Dennis on the show, they tried to make it seem like you were just like this careless, like, dating whoever, whenever, whatever type of person. And it sounds like now you as a mom and you where you are now, it's like, a lot more protective of, especially because of your kids. So I'm interested to see how that plays out on the show.
[24:05]
Portia Williams
You know, it's unfortunate. We want women to be soft. We want women to be open to love. We want women to love, love and give men a chance. But the women who do that, we get beat On.
[24:14]
Justina Valentine
They drag you, right?
[24:15]
Portia Williams
Yeah. You know, everybody's upset with like a JLO or a Kim Kardashian or Elizabeth Taylor. But we want men who treat us well. We want men who are gonna love us and who we believe we can love back. But why isn't. Why are we empowered to be able to walk away if it's not right?
[24:28]
Justina Valentine
Right.
[24:29]
Portia Williams
So wouldn't that mean I would be dating or be with multiple people over my life? So, you know, it's. It's rough as a woman out here. You just have to have thick skin and trust yourself and make good decisions. If I was dating somebody and that was my guy, trust me, everybody knows I will claim him, post him, and all of that make you sick about it.
[24:47]
Charlamagne Tha God
But every relationship don't have to be public either, though.
[24:49]
Portia Williams
It doesn't. It doesn't. But, you know, I don't know. I guess it's the cancer in me or the Nigerian in me. Like, I'm loud with it. Like, if I love you, I want everybody to know, you know? So I'm really gonna have to talk to my therapist because I think my next one should be quiet.
[25:03]
Charlamagne Tha God
You said something that was interesting. You said that you can't get the energy of Simon off you. What makes you get the energy of a person off you? Like, Lauren got Sage. Your sister got the sage.
[25:12]
Portia Williams
Did she get. She could. She could. But, you know, this divorce, it's gonna take some time. It's gonna take time. To the public. Our relationship was so sensationalized that I don't think they saw it as a real relationship. But I genuinely did love my husband and I had all kind of plans. If you have ever been married or in a long term relationship, everything you do, you're considering that person, they're a part of it. So everything I'm still doing, I'm having to piece him out of it, you know? And I'm still in our home. I would like to redecorate or do whatever, but I gotta still wait to see what's gonna happen with that. He and I. Stop talking about Simon. This is not true. You wrote this. Is this true?
[25:58]
Charlamagne Tha God
What you mean? I don't.
[26:00]
DJ Envy
We don't even know what it is.
[26:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't know. They just handed me that.
[26:05]
Justina Valentine
What does it say?
[26:06]
Portia Williams
This can't be real.
[26:07]
Charlamagne Tha God
They just handed me that. I have no idea.
[26:09]
Portia Williams
Oh, wow. Okay, so. Lauren, look at that.
[26:15]
Justina Valentine
What is happening?
[26:19]
Portia Williams
We need to. You need to call. You need to call. Yeah, sorry.
[26:28]
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm just playing. I made that up.
[26:32]
Portia Williams
What?
[26:32]
Justina Valentine
What Happened. What did it say?
[26:35]
Portia Williams
Y'all scared me. I thought somebody died. No, I really don't.
[26:40]
DJ Envy
What does it say now? What does it say?
[26:42]
Charlamagne Tha God
Read that.
[26:43]
DJ Envy
Read that.
[26:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
I was gonna let it go. I was gonna let it go till you said you could call.
[26:52]
Portia Williams
Y'All.
[26:52]
DJ Envy
So let me tell you what the letter said.
[26:55]
Portia Williams
I was scared, too. I thought, oh, my God.
[26:56]
Justina Valentine
I really didn't know what just happened.
[26:57]
DJ Envy
So here's the letter. So what Charlamagne put together.
[27:00]
Portia Williams
You ain't shit.
[27:01]
DJ Envy
And let me tell you, before the interview, he didn't tell none of us. Right?
[27:03]
Justina Valentine
I thought it was something with me.
[27:04]
DJ Envy
We just seen him laughing and giggling, so we knew he was up to something. But he even planned it. Cause he had somebody walking in. The letter says, the Porsche.
[27:13]
Portia Williams
Yo, that is not funny, man. It's not funny.
[27:18]
Justina Valentine
You want the boiled egg at him? I kept it just in case because I thought he was gonna do something to me. I knew he was planning something.
[27:22]
Portia Williams
What is this boy egg for?
[27:23]
Justina Valentine
I was gonna throw it at him.
[27:24]
Portia Williams
Throw it at him.
[27:25]
DJ Envy
You play too much, man.
[27:26]
Portia Williams
Matter of fact, slice it in half and throw both.
[27:28]
DJ Envy
You play too much.
[27:29]
Portia Williams
This guy. You play too much.
[27:34]
DJ Envy
You should have seen your face.
[27:37]
Portia Williams
This is. I don't know. This is. This. You know, people online, of course, they're making jokes like, oh, you know, she called, or whatever. This is like, a person who I have shared a life with. I don't want nothing to happen to him. I don't want. I don't even want him deported. Like, at the end of the day, that shit scared me.
[27:54]
Justina Valentine
I was like, Mr. Mental Health just threw you off, huh?
[27:59]
Charlamagne Tha God
Right?
[27:59]
Portia Williams
But you looked at me like.
[28:00]
DJ Envy
Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know what's going on.
[28:02]
Portia Williams
You disrupted my peace.
[28:03]
Justina Valentine
I thought. I really thought something happened to somebody. Cause you looked like you were about to cry.
[28:07]
Portia Williams
Yeah.
[28:08]
DJ Envy
All right, back to the show.
[28:11]
Charlamagne Tha God
There was a lot of men that were happy that he. That that happened to him, though.
[28:14]
Portia Williams
They were.
[28:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes. Because how do you feel about you?
[28:17]
DJ Envy
Because they want to hide.
[28:18]
Charlamagne Tha God
Well.
[28:18]
Portia Williams
And that's the scary part about being online. Like, going in on a personality that people actually like. You don't know who could have done anything. You know what I mean? You just don't know. But honestly, I don't think anybody did anything to him. I think that sometimes actions just kind of end up where it is.
[28:34]
Charlamagne Tha God
Were you upset that he didn't tell you that he was facing all of this or that he had been dealing with this for years?
[28:40]
Portia Williams
I mean, I filed for a divorce. Right. You know, I just feel like in any relationship, especially mine, I thought we had the best communication. Like, I was so proud of how we communicated. Like, that's a part of what made me trust him. I have been harmed by men in my past and in many ways. And so it's hard for me to trust. It's hard for me to, like, truly love. And so people will look at him and look at me, be like, I don't understand the correlation. It must be the money. How I already had a lot of the stuff that I have now then. Anyway, it was meeting someone who really saw you for you, who you can talk to, who was a man of their word. He always did things that I felt made him trustworthy for me. If somebody says something and they do it, say it, do it, say it, do it. Why would I think I would have never believed any of this stuff? Like, I stood ten toes down to the very, very end. But, you know, I worked very hard in my life for what I have. I worked to protect my daughter's future, her financial future, her emotional future, everything. And at the time, I needed to do that in order to protect that. Not saying it couldn't have been turned around if we had better communication, but at that time, I had to do it. I had to stand on it.
[29:56]
Charlamagne Tha God
So if he. If he would have told you what the situation was, you would have.
[29:58]
Portia Williams
I begged. I begged to tell me. I literally begged my sister right here. My sister's sitting right here. She knows nothing could have made me Lee Simon. He was my person, and he probably is. He's just not honest enough to stand next to me.
[30:15]
DJ Envy
He probably was standing.
[30:16]
Portia Williams
I can love him from afar.
[30:16]
DJ Envy
Because he thought she was gonna leave.
[30:17]
Portia Williams
Yeah, I can love him from afar.
[30:19]
DJ Envy
Did y'all have the conversation?
[30:20]
Portia Williams
Why?
[30:20]
DJ Envy
Why he didn't sing?
[30:21]
Portia Williams
Yeah, well, if you're the type of person. I mean, if you. If you're not telling even yourself the truth, how you gonna tell me?
[30:30]
Justina Valentine
What was the timeline you said you begged? So, like, how many before you filed for divorce? How long was it that you were, like, trying to have these conversations, trying to get out of them, trying to just be like, yo, I want to know what's happening. Like, I want to save this. I want to figure it out.
[30:42]
Portia Williams
Well, I didn't just. It was an accumulation of things. It wasn't just, oh, I found out that you could be deported, because at the end of the day, I was telling my people I could take the kids wherever he is. Like, I'M a ride or die. I can take them wherever you are. I love to travel anyway. We love to travel. It's not necessary for him to be here. And honestly, I thought we had enough money where we could live in Dubai. We could live wherever. So being deported, wasn't that the deal breaker? It was the other things about his past that I didn't know about. It was things I was beginning to be involved in that could have had me in trouble. Clank, clank. You know what I'm saying? So I just felt like this is something I need to do until maybe this will trigger you. Sometimes women or men will file for divorce to trigger the truth out of their spouse, because for whatever reason, they don't think they can tell them. But you almost want to say, well, you'll lose me if you don't. You'll lose me if you don't tell me. And in this case, it still wasn't enough.
[31:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, so when you first initially filed for divorce, you just wanted him to tell you the truth?
[31:39]
Portia Williams
I just wanted the truth. Wow. I wanted to know what was happening. You can figure out. From my first marriage, I learned that a partnership is something that you can take for life. You know, that with your wife. And with your wife, if you have a partner standing next to you, you can fight and deal with anything. Forget love, just the fact that both of you guys are in the midst of it together. But as soon as I realized in my first marriage that I was not a partner, I was. Underneath, I was with someone who wasn't gonna be everything I needed them to be as a partner or see me as a partner. I knew that in this relationship, I wasn't gonna do that. I would never have gotten married again if I thought him and not best friends, side by side, partners. I honestly wish in a different realm, I could be sitting here fighting for him as opposed to fighting him. You know, a divorce is like a death in the family. And for me, who wants to experience that?
[32:34]
DJ Envy
But now let's. I want to go. Kenya Moore, the fact that she was taken off the show. What are your thoughts on that whole incident that happened?
[32:41]
Portia Williams
On the whole incident that happened? I think it is. I think it just went too far. I feel like Kenya came back this season, and she definitely. Well, not even this season, because I don't know what she was doing the past three, because I didn't see it. But the Kenya that I saw this season was not wanting beef and drama too much. She really wasn't on too much of that. Like, you can even see that in the first episode, she really kind of chilled with it. Not her normal self. And I just feel like mixed with the newbie and some things that were set that were dangerous from the newbie. I felt like Kenya then decided to be even more dangerous. And. But I do feel like there's a space where there could be a conversation with her. And Bravo. I feel like there could be a conversation with her and Brit, and hopefully they can figure something out by next season.
[33:32]
Charlamagne Tha God
What happened when y'all shot the Upshot? Cause we had Nene up here.
[33:36]
Portia Williams
Yeah.
[33:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
And she said you blocked her from being on the Upshaws.
[33:40]
Portia Williams
No, she did it.
[33:41]
Charlamagne Tha God
She did the show, but you wouldn't do it with her, so.
[33:44]
Portia Williams
No, it's not that I wouldn't do it with her. So I signed on to do the Upshaws, and I had just filed, I think could have even been a week and a half prior. So you know how you sign up. So mind y'all. When I filed for divorce, I did not know I was filing for divorce. I was happily in love with my husband. Like, we were good. Valentine's Day, we had a horrible argument. Things got really nasty, and I knew something was about to hit the fan, but I did not know. So when it happened, I had already signed up to do the show, and I really couldn't cancel at that point. So when I got there, I just was sitting in the green room or the waiting area, and I just, like, start breaking down.
[34:26]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, man.
[34:26]
Portia Williams
I just start breaking down. And then I started. Then she was in the room next to me, and I heard. Just hearing her voice broke me down. Because I just felt you. When you're going through a divorce, you just feel so alone. And here I am, just a foul coming out of my room. I mean, I could barely put on makeup, and now here I am on a set with strangers. I don't have anybody. Just hearing her voice just. It was just too familiar. And, you know, I had not talked to her. I didn't know how I could face her. I didn't know how I could face anybody. So it genuinely wasn't me saying, no, I don't work with this person or that person, whomever, because I agreed to it. I just wasn't capable of doing it that day.
[35:05]
Charlamagne Tha God
Mentally and emotionally.
[35:06]
Portia Williams
Mentally and emotionally, I could not gather myself at all. So when I spoke to them, they were like, you know, I understand you're not gonna be able to act as a housewife today. They ended up letting me go home, and then they Said, we'll fill you in. We'll fill in your spot with Cynthia. And then after that, in true Nene fashion, she just turned it into something about herself. And it genuinely wasn't about her. It was about me. You know what I'm saying? Like, her actions of, like, taking Simon's side and hanging out with him, with women or whatever they were doing, it just really was null and void to me. I just would have wanted a friend. So, you know, for her to turn it and make it, like, I tried to block her money or whatever. Me, Block Nene's money how? Like, Nene's a star. I can't block your money, just like nobody can block mine. I don't give a damn who you are. So it to me, it's just unfortunate. I'm too grown. I'm sure y'all can see I'm a different Portia. If I was another Portia, I'd be reading her and her wig or whatever. But I. I don't feel that way. Like, I feel like we grown people, girl, you know how it is to go through a divorce. You know exactly what emotions I could have been feeling. So all. All the extraness is just not needed. I only want real.
[36:16]
Charlamagne Tha God
Why is that? She said that Portia wasn't here for her, right? Portia wasn't there for her when she was going through. When she was grieving.
[36:22]
Portia Williams
That's not true. I was out of town and flew in for her husband's funeral. No, I'm there for my friends. I don't think she said that. And if she said that, I think she would retract that. Cause that's just not true. I'm always there for her. Maybe even more than she was there for me. I didn't get a phone call from her. When I got. When she saw on the news about my divorce, she was with him. Which is fine. Cause in a divorce, you're gonna pick a side. You gonna pick a side. We had a lot of friends as a couple. I'm an introvert, but as a couple, we were extroverts. We were out there. We had, you know, we would hang out with couples and travel with couples, but, you know. And so then when it breaks up, you can't. I can't judge. If she wanted to go over there. Who. Who knows, she may think he right and I'm wrong. It is what it is.
[37:05]
DJ Envy
How was your relationship? I know Shamir is your best friend, but how was that dynamic? Right? Because, you know, I seen on the show, she was like your ex or your husband? Your ex husband, I should say. Text her. How is it that it still stays in the system? That gotta be a problem.
[37:18]
Portia Williams
I don't know where that text came from to her or her calling him bro. I don't know. I don't know. But at that time of going through a divorce, I don't even have the mind space to think about it. Like, you really think I'm gonna go home and think about, huh? Why was he texting her and congratulating her and she calling bro? Like, no, you are literally just walking through life like you are getting up, going through your day. And honestly, a part of the show is work, y'all. Like, it's work. So I'm clocked in. I'm not sitting there, you know, thinking she's trying to do anything to me, thinking anything behind any of it.
[37:54]
DJ Envy
I don't think she was trying to do it. It just gotta be a constant reminder. Like, I'm trying to get my own space. Like, leave that on the other side, you know?
[38:00]
Portia Williams
But I'm on a show that's about my life, so I am expecting them to talk about it. I am expecting them to ask me about my divorce and him, and I am expecting that. So that was totally fine.
[38:10]
Justina Valentine
Are y'all, like, at this point, what. Are you. Are you and Shamiya as close as we've always known y'all to be? Because the first episode kind of gives that, you know, Shamiya is now coming into herself on the show, and there might be a little bit of tension because of that. There was a moment where she's like, okay, like, this is my new car, girl. Get to the left. It's not about you right now. Yeah, and that was a little weird. I was like, ooh, I ain't never really seen that from Shamia and Portia.
[38:31]
Portia Williams
Yeah, it was weird. But also, you know, it's the whole environment. I mean, in true housewife fashion, who doesn't love to talk crap about the person who's late and make them look bad or whatever? No one knew the reason why I was really late. I mean, I didn't get to tell her till we were in the closet while I was late. And at the end of the day, I did walk up while she was enjoying her car. But in my brain, as my best friend, I'm like, oh, we both about to twerk on the car. Like, bitch, you finally did it. Like, you got that Rolls Royce. Like, so I thought, you know how you go to a party and you're Like, I don't want to miss them getting a birthday song. I don't want to miss them cutting the cake.
[39:06]
Justina Valentine
Yeah.
[39:07]
Portia Williams
So the production was trying to tell me, Portia, hold on. Don't walk up to her while she's doing. I said, no, no, no, no. I wanna. I wanna miss her getting her car.
[39:13]
Justina Valentine
Yeah.
[39:14]
Portia Williams
But I can see how it came off. Like, of course, the other girl, she's walking in her moment. Walking in her moment. That's my friend. Like, I root for her regardless. I mean, when I didn't have. Or when she didn't have whatever. Like, I want the best for her. I'm happy for everything that she has.
[39:31]
Justina Valentine
So. So now that you. So now that you guys have gone through this season or whatever, is the relationship still the same, though? Because it's just a very. Like, what conversations do y'all have after a moment like that? Because I've never seen that dynamic.
[39:43]
Portia Williams
Well, you have to understand, like I just said, I was oblivious to how the narrative was being painted.
[39:49]
Justina Valentine
Oh, so that's a conversation happening right now.
[39:51]
Portia Williams
I knew I was late, but I knew I was late because I filmed in Duluth.
[39:54]
Justina Valentine
Yeah.
[39:55]
Portia Williams
And there was a camera crew with me. One. Like, I was just somewhere lollygagging. I was working. And I knew that when I got there, I didn't want to miss her big moment because I got there just in time. So I didn't understand that. I now see the narrative of. Oh, Portia being late, trying to steal her moment. Why on earth would I bring my friend to the show or encourage the show to bring her in this moment as the main character and not be happy for her?
[40:21]
DJ Envy
I think the show's trying to pitch out against each other.
[40:23]
Justina Valentine
Yeah. That's what it's. It's given that. Well, that is. We're gonna see what the storyline.
[40:27]
Portia Williams
We're gonna see what. We're gonna see what it gives. But even with Kelly.
[40:31]
DJ Envy
That's her name. Kelly. Kelly made that funny remark in front. Like, I feel like they try to pitch y'all against each other.
[40:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
You can't let them make you the punching bag also season.
[40:38]
Justina Valentine
But she's the. She's the girl. This. Like that. It's her season, so she.
[40:43]
Portia Williams
That's what it comes.
[40:43]
Justina Valentine
And.
[40:44]
Portia Williams
And not even just, I'm that girl or queen of show or whatever. I like those accolades. But no, it's get two peaches. I get two peaches. I'm standing up in the middle like this. No, but it's like, I feel like at the end of the Day I. I'm a vet. You gonna have to come and come at the Top Dog. I mean, I'm sure they gonna come at Kenya just like they did. They gonna come at Phaedra. You gotta come at the OGs. It is what it is. It's just the name of the game.
[41:08]
Justina Valentine
Right.
[41:08]
Portia Williams
Um, it's just. I feel like in. In tv, it's hard because you have your reality of what's happening real time. Then you film it, and then you probably get over it, and then you watch it again. And some things could be hurtful. The editing could be hurtful. Things could look dismissive. Things can look like what it's not really is.
[41:29]
Justina Valentine
So have you had to call her and do what you just did and be like, yo, taking accountability. I didn't even know it could come off that way. I apologize if it did. Like, are y'all doing that at this point? Cause you're watching it back now.
[41:38]
Portia Williams
Genuinely, it wasn't that big to she or I. Gotcha. It really wasn't. Maybe it was by the time she got to her confessional and they started asking her them probing questions.
[41:46]
Justina Valentine
Right.
[41:47]
Portia Williams
But at the time, there was no feeling, no bad vibe about me being late. This is my friend. She knows exactly where I'm filming at. She know I can't film in my crib, you know, she know what's being blocked over here. I'm just trying. I'm just happy that they still filming my ass at the end of the day. Cause how you filming a housewife without a house? So I'm just thankful and grateful to Bravo and to all the other girls for stepping up. I'm glad that her moment was so huge. I love that the way they showed it. They really showcased her. I love that. Because on an ensemble cast, the worst thing is to be just the main character on your own.
[42:21]
Justina Valentine
Right.
[42:22]
Portia Williams
You want everybody to hold their own weight. And I feel like she carries her own weight. Kelly does. Brit does. All the girls do. So please shine.
[42:30]
DJ Envy
Do you watch every episode? Do you watch the episodes or you just.
[42:33]
Portia Williams
So I have to. I have to. But this season, I probably won't watch all of them because a lot is some darker moments.
[42:38]
DJ Envy
Yeah.
[42:38]
Portia Williams
I was gonna ask you a little bit.
[42:39]
DJ Envy
You said you have to.
[42:41]
Portia Williams
We used to when we did blogs. Right. But now, unless I'm doing press, and if I know it's a light episode, I'll watch it. But I really don't want to see myself with the flashbacks and the tears and some of the things I've already Healed from gotcha.
[42:56]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, you said you like seeing the OGs on the show. Would you welcome Nene back?
[43:00]
Portia Williams
Yes. Yes, I will welcome her back. I mean, it ain't gonna look like I'm welcoming her back. Let me get that straight. We gonna have a time in the beginning, but I'm for. But I just feel like, realistically, as much as we all love Nene, And I mean, Ms. Nene, realistically, you just can't sue a network. You cannot say things about Andy Cohen that are that damaging and expect that bridge to still be standing. So, unfortunately, I just don't know if she can cross that and come back. What about.
[43:38]
DJ Envy
I just have one question. When did Portia's confidence change? What was that moment? Right. Cause when we first seen you on the show, your confidence level wasn't as high as it is now. You weren't as comfortable in your skin. You wasn't ready to clap back. And then there was a change where it was like, Portia didn't change it. It's like middle finger to everybody.
[43:54]
Portia Williams
Right?
[43:55]
DJ Envy
When did that happen?
[43:56]
Portia Williams
I think that happened when I gave birth to a human, you know, And I had to be someone that she can look up to. I could not be weak. When you become a mother, you. You have this natural instinct to be protective. Your heart is outside of your body. Most delicate thing that could kill you is right there that you have to protect. So if you protect your child, you now know I gotta protect me. So I'm super protective of me for Pilar. So when I say it comes to my mental health, like you talk about all the time, I put me first. I love my daughter, I love my family. And when I was married, I love my husband. But I. I put me first. I put my mentality first. And I protect my peace, my energy first. Because if I'm good and I'm making sure I have the right synergy around me, the right atmosphere, the right people around me, then I know my daughter's gonna be good. My whole life is for Pilar. So what you see now is just me growing the Fuck up. I'm 44 years old at this point. Capital P. Capital P. And I make my own money. And I finally, as a people person, decided to celebrate myself. Like, even in my down times, I still try to think about what I have accomplished. A lot of times as a reality star, we get talked about, oh, she's just a reality star. She ain't got no tan. It.
[45:13]
Justina Valentine
She.
[45:13]
Portia Williams
Whatever. I'm a multitude of things. I have done a Lot of things in my life to arrive where I am and have the status that I have. So I now can accept it for me. So that's pretty much where the confidence comes from.
[45:25]
Justina Valentine
I got one more show question, because I know you also are acting, too. Okay, Lifetime situation we want to talk about. But Kenya. So I know she's not going to finish out the season because of what happened with her and Britney, but they were saying that she could come back potentially season 17. Who said that? I thought that she was only suspended for the rest of 16. I thought she was only suspended for season 16 and could potentially come back for 17, though.
[45:49]
Portia Williams
I would hope that's true. I just can't see. I'm in 100% agreement with her not being here. I would love for her to be at the reunion. I'm for what's best for the show, and I loved where Kenya was going. She's not that happy with me right now, you know, but that's okay. I've always been that type. I don't give a damn how you feel about me if I'm always gonna speak the truth. So, you know, I feel like at this moment, no matter what, I feel like it would be good for Kenya to be at the reunion. And I feel like she is very articulate, and she can speak to Brit, and she can speak to the cast, and she can speak to the fans, and she can find her way back next season. So I think that that could be a true statement.
[46:29]
Justina Valentine
Why is she not happy with you right now? I thought y'all were doing better this season.
[46:31]
Portia Williams
She didn't like when I said that. When I compared her to Brit and I said they were similar, and I said they were similar. But I meant because they're both fabulous. They're both, to me, speak their mind. Like, you know, she. When you don't like somebody, you don't want to be compared to them, so.
[46:48]
Justina Valentine
Right. Got you.
[46:49]
Portia Williams
But whatever, girl. Hell, I gotta talk about you. You a part of the show. Don't you want to be talked about?
[46:54]
Justina Valentine
It's kind of crazy, though. I didn't even think about the reunion. Like, the fact that she. She won't even be on the radio.
[46:58]
Portia Williams
Who said that? It's possible. I'm still hopeful. I'm still hopeful. She is. She's still a big part of the show. She's not the show. She didn't make or break the season. But Kenya is a person who I've been doing this with for a very long time, and for once, we were possibly about to have a season of not being foes. You know what I'm saying? Um, Phaedra. I have to say, when Phaedra came in, she helped to elevate the show as well and keep us where we needed to be, because everybody been wanting to see her. She been gone the whole time. Kandi been gone. So, you know, it's. People wanted her back.
[47:32]
Justina Valentine
And Kandi has been really upset about how Kenya has been treated by the network. She's been very vocal about that. And then Phaedra coming back. I don't know if Kandi's too excited about that as well, too. But do you feel like the network protects you guys the way that they should? Because that's what Kandi's saying is, like, the network didn't protect one of their stars, which is Kandi.
[47:47]
Portia Williams
I still work for the network, so I don't share certain sentiments. Okay, let's be clear, all right? I'm saying that I think Kenya deserves an opportunity, and an opportunity can be given to anyone. You can always say no. She can say whatever she wants to say to Brit, the cast, the crew, and whoever, and they can say no. But I believe she deserves that opportunity. I ain't say a damn thing about the network. Love the network.
[48:12]
Charlamagne Tha God
Talk about all this money. You're getting pampered by Portia. Go Naked hair. What is it, the Lifetime movie?
[48:19]
Justina Valentine
Yeah. It's Detective Ebony Williams in the upcoming Lifetime movie Single black female 3 the final chapter.
[48:25]
Portia Williams
Yes. Yes. That was. That was big for me. I always want to be in a Lifetime movie. I am obsessed with Lifetime, and I am amongst the cast of great women who've been. They had two other movies. This is the third installment, the last one, and I played detective. I look totally different in this movie. I even stopped doing Botox for this movie. I did. I was like, you know what? I'm not doing any Botox. I want my whole face to move.
[48:48]
Justina Valentine
I got to look at the trailer.
[48:50]
Portia Williams
Oh, it's frozen right now.
[48:53]
Justina Valentine
No, no, you look good, but in the trailer. Cause I know when you start doing.
[48:56]
Portia Williams
Botanics, I got lines in there. Every freaking line. I got lines on my forehead. Got crow's feet. I got all of it. Because my role is so different from who I am. Like, I'm an alcoholic. I'm a bit of a stalker. Like, you know, I ain't gonna say who else, what else I've done in a movie. But I. I think it's gonna be a good look for me in the acting world, because it's Totally different from me playing myself and a lot of other things that I've done before.
[49:20]
Charlamagne Tha God
You turned out a lot of acting roles, too, though, right?
[49:22]
Portia Williams
Yes, I have, because I. I also have. Well, what am I? My mom told me not to claim that no more, but I'm one of those people who start something and I don't finish it a lot of times, so I'll, like, hyper focus on something, and then all of a sudden, I hyper focus on something else. So at a certain point in my life, I was really hyper focused on acting. I was going on stage plays with Vivica Fox, going on tour. I'd done movies. I've done a lot of voiceovers. And then I was like, oh, I just want to concentrate on donating hair and pampered. I don't want to do anything outside. I'm a businesswoman. And now I'm like, you know what? It's time to pivot in, back into that. Because I can naturally do it. Like, I'm the type. I have a photographic memory. I can literally read the script that night, and it'll be in my mind the next day and print it.
[50:05]
Charlamagne Tha God
I got one last question. Will a Nigerian man get another shot, or do you feel like the stereotype is true and all of them are scammers now, so you're just done?
[50:12]
Portia Williams
Well, I am Nigerian, so. And I don't know what you mean by all of them are scammers. I mean, we live in the United States, which is the biggest scam. I mean, our entire government is scam and a fraud and taking advantage of people. So I feel like when it comes to Nigerians, of course I would date another one. You know, I would. I would marry another one I want to love and marry who is going to be honest and love me. I'm not ready to get married. I'm not rushing into none of that. I mean, unless.
[50:41]
Justina Valentine
I was about to say. You say that now, girl.
[50:42]
Portia Williams
Unless.
[50:43]
Justina Valentine
See, by the end of the season, we'd have been like, oh, Portia got a new ring.
[50:46]
Portia Williams
I know.
[50:47]
Charlamagne Tha God
You would get married again.
[50:49]
Portia Williams
I would. I would get married again. Why?
[50:52]
Justina Valentine
Of course.
[50:53]
Portia Williams
So just because of him, I can't get married again. I can't enjoy the comfort and the security of being. I love being married. I love being called somebody's wife. I love waking up every morning sitting at your feet, asking you what you need me to do. Like, I. I just love that that's in me. I'm a Southern girl, and I think that's probably why Nigerian men and like men of wealth. Like me, because I am very submissive and I'm very loving and I'm very. Even though I'm all that I am boss bitch. I can shift that a bit for my man.
[51:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
Do they have to have wealth?
[51:25]
Portia Williams
You know, I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that. And I think if I didn't have a daughter. They don't have to have wealth. They do have to have self. So you need to be self sufficient. You need to have your own business about yourself. And you need to be able to come in here if I get pregnant and provide for our child. So no, I don't want no completely man who's building from scratch. But no, he doesn't have to be wealthy. What is wealth? Are any of these men really wealthy? Is any of the money really real? Like, we don't really know.
[51:53]
Justina Valentine
Are you gonna do like a baby?
[51:54]
Portia Williams
I know one thing about it. I am a wealthy woman. I am a probably a rich man. All my.
[51:59]
Charlamagne Tha God
You're probably a rich man.
[52:00]
Portia Williams
I am like, all my stuff is legit. You can check my bank accounts. It is what it is. You can see where it came from. My taxes. Not a man. I gave birth. Hold on.
[52:09]
Charlamagne Tha God
You said.
[52:10]
Portia Williams
I know what I'm saying, though. You just shattered a lot of dreams. I ain't gotta look for a rich man. I'm a rich man. I'm what I'm looking for. It's just in the male version. So you know. But I do. I like this new conversation of like Dolly Parton. Oh, rip to her. But I liked her relationship. Like they were separated a lot of the time. It's in space physically. But they kept their relationship strong. Like, I don't feel like I have to live with my husband.
[52:41]
Justina Valentine
Shirley Ralph does that too.
[52:42]
Portia Williams
Yeah, Shirley Ralph and I loved when she told us that. I don't think it has to be traditional. I feel like my next relationship will not be traditional.
[52:49]
Charlamagne Tha God
I wonder what that means in the between time.
[52:51]
Portia Williams
Be a little bit open.
[52:52]
DJ Envy
So okay.
[52:53]
Justina Valentine
Oh, you would do an open relationship, really?
[52:56]
Portia Williams
Not with another female.
[52:58]
Justina Valentine
So you could go and have another man, but he can't have another woman.
[53:01]
Portia Williams
I haven't found one who's gonna allow me. If you know one, let me know. But no, they don't allow that. They don't allow that. I just mean as far as like, your tradition of him having to be in the house.
[53:10]
Justina Valentine
Gotcha.
[53:11]
Portia Williams
I honestly could be in the house with just my baby and be good and then we come and visit my husband.
[53:15]
DJ Envy
So you need a Break. Sometimes you just want a break sometimes.
[53:17]
Portia Williams
Yeah. And like, I always used to kind of tease with even my husband, I'd be like, we could have separate bedrooms. Like, why not? Why not have separate. Just think about it. Why not have separate living spaces? And then when you want to meet in the middle, you meet in the middle. And if you don't, you can comfortably go in your room, pass gas, sleep, you know, not wash your makeup. Like, I think if you feel that's.
[53:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
Why you need a wallpaper.
[53:37]
Justina Valentine
You have enough houses, though. I mean, you have enough rooms in your house to be able to do that. So why y'all didn't just do it?
[53:43]
Portia Williams
Because I also like to be under people.
[53:45]
Justina Valentine
That's why I'm so confused. Cause I watching you now.
[53:47]
Portia Williams
Confused, Yo, I'm watching like, my man.
[53:50]
Justina Valentine
My man, my man. So I'm. I'm sitting here like, girl, what I.
[53:53]
Portia Williams
Was talking about more so when we got old. Well, he already was old. I was about to say, when we got older, he already was old.
[53:59]
DJ Envy
But Portia don't know what she want.
[54:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
Portia just want love.
[54:02]
Portia Williams
It's fine. I could be with a husband and him not living my house. I think that's possible. Maybe I'm just talking about a businessman who travels a whole lot and leases. No, I'm not gonna tell him he can have a girlfriend. But do I. I mean, do I got eyes on every single thing? No.
[54:20]
Charlamagne Tha God
So cheating don't get caught, basically, what you would say.
[54:23]
Portia Williams
No, because then that's also saying it's okay to cheat. So I'm not gonna say it's okay for anybody to cheat. I would love sexually. Let me tell you this right now. And being a woman who's about to be super single after this divorce, I am not about having sex with a lot of people, and no one should. I am a big advocate for women. Pick your one person, okay? Now, whether this. You have a relationship with him or not, situation shift, whatever. Pick your one sexual partner. Get tested. Make sure you know what he's doing. Make sure his health is important to him. Not just that he going to get tests for you to see that he wants to make sure that his body is healthy and that he also has integrity with who he spreads his penis with. If you meet someone like that, stick with them, and then just date everybody else.
[55:06]
Justina Valentine
But the issue comes in because I be there, too. But then you stick with that one person, you be trying to date the other people. And then it's like, now this person, you develop the feelings and you compare them?
[55:14]
Portia Williams
No, y'all have to be scared together. Meet you somebody who's scared together. I am actually scared of these streets. I am not looking forward to being single out here and being tested in especially health wise. Health wise. I mean, Atlanta is number three in the AIDS department. And who knows what other diseases is out there that we all, you know, the people got out there, the other people got. But no, I think sexually have one partner and get tested with that partner. That's it.
[55:40]
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think there's anything wrong with you saying, but you have to tell the other people that you're dating that they not getting no sex.
[55:45]
Portia Williams
Oh, no, you don't got. They know they ain't getting no sex.
[55:47]
Charlamagne Tha God
How they know that?
[55:47]
Justina Valentine
It's certain.
[55:48]
Portia Williams
Which means they're not getting sex.
[55:49]
Charlamagne Tha God
You think they dating y'all just because they want to date y'all or you think y'all just got that good of a conversation?
[55:55]
Portia Williams
People do date us just to date us. People do take us just to be in our presence. People.
[56:05]
Justina Valentine
No, they be hating. But what they don't. What y'all men don't like to understand. And I think y'all get it, but y'all overlook it because you want to feel good about your own selves and that's your own thing. We do compartmentalize y'all. Like, we have people we call, hey, I just want to go out and eat, have a good time. Hey, travel buddy. But you still not. I have friends that travel with men that don't have sex with them and men.
[56:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
And why are they not stylist.
[56:25]
Portia Williams
Hold on. We did not say that the intention of sex isn't there for him.
[56:28]
Justina Valentine
Exactly.
[56:29]
Portia Williams
We're not saying that he doesn't want the sex, but there are men who are, are in a space to take care of a woman and make sure she's good and not, not, not require sex.
[56:39]
Justina Valentine
And when you were breakfast, fresh air.
[56:41]
Portia Williams
They just want to see how long it lasts. It may last for, you know, it's a good time. Not a long time. So maybe like a little one year relationship. Yeah.
[56:47]
Charlamagne Tha God
Because the guy's about 89. He just looking for company.
[56:54]
Portia Williams
I really want to be attracted to him. Like, I really want to be like, I want to be really attracted to him.
[57:00]
Charlamagne Tha God
Man, stay in cuss.
[57:05]
Portia Williams
I buy what I need. I want to see what I need. I want you to look for.
[57:09]
Justina Valentine
What was I saying today? This morning when I was saying like, I feel bad feeling like. No, from everything from your look to how you dress it, I Want to be like, oh, my God, about my next.
[57:19]
Portia Williams
Hey, what did I tell you? You know how you told me the kind you just lay there and you just want to kiss on.
[57:23]
Justina Valentine
Yo, you could just.
[57:24]
Portia Williams
I want to look at your face on the head. You're in here talking like, she got options. That's what we want.
[57:28]
DJ Envy
What did I tell you this morning?
[57:29]
Justina Valentine
He told me you got to basically pick and choose. So, like, if he can't dress, just dress him up. And I'm like, no, that's true.
[57:34]
Portia Williams
See, dress him up. Hold on. Don't dress him up till you marry him.
[57:38]
DJ Envy
You want your wife to be like, that ain't it, baby.
[57:40]
Portia Williams
Put your muscle on.
[57:42]
Justina Valentine
Dress them up.
[57:43]
Portia Williams
Put a filter on them. Do all of that, and then when you leave them, take it all back.
[57:47]
DJ Envy
Jesus Christ, Portia. Ladies and gentlemen, Real Housewives of Atlanta comes on this Sunday.
[57:52]
Justina Valentine
You were everything I was going to be. Bravo.
[57:54]
DJ Envy
And peacock. And we appreciate you for stopping through.
[57:56]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
[57:57]
Portia Williams
Capital P. This was great.
[57:58]
DJ Envy
Portia Williams, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
[58:00]
Charlamagne Tha God
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
[58:02]
Portia Williams
The Breakfast Club.
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Lauren LaRosa
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