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Kevin Smith
Hey, kids, it's me, Kevin Smith.
Harley Quinn Smith
And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith.
Kevin Smith
That's my daughter, man. Who my wife has always said is just a beardless D Ckless version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless D Me.
Bob Pittman
I'm the old one, I'm the young one.
Kevin Smith
And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out.
Harley Quinn Smith
It's a work in progress.
Kevin Smith
Listen to Beardless me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and stories from the frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty, Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel. Being a rock star is very fun.
Roxanne Shante
But helping people is way more fun.
Bob Pittman
Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing.
Roxanne Shante
I figured out the formula. I just have to work hard, then that's magic.
Bob Pittman
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Roxanne Shante
You feelin.
Bob Pittman
This too is a horror anthology podcast.
Roxanne Shante
It brings different creators to tell ten vile. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Grotesque, horrific stories on what scares them the most.
Bob Pittman
You feeling this too? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
Roxanne Shante
Or wherever you get your podcasts.
Diosa
Are your ears bored?
Harley Quinn Smith
Yeah. Are you looking for a new podcast that will make you laugh, learn, and say gay?
Roxanne Shante
Yeah.
Diosa
Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today.
Roxanne Shante
Okay.
Harley Quinn Smith
Now that's what I call a podcast. I'm thank. I'm Tiosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.
Diosa
Very extra way of saying a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Cool V
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Kevin Smith
The Breakfast Club.
DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious Charlamagne. The guy we are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa is here as well, and we got a special guest in the building.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's right.
DJ Envy
We got the queen and queens get the money. We have Roxanne. Shantae. Welcome. Thank you.
Roxanne Shante
Thank you. I appreciate that.
DJ Envy
How are you feeling?
Roxanne Shante
One, I feel absolutely blessed.
DJ Envy
Okay.
Roxanne Shante
You know, and I feel good. I feel good. I think I've learned to age and I enjoy it. So. Because I don't fight age. I feel good every day. Back be fucked. Back be messed up. I feel good. I feel good.
DJ Envy
Well, congratulations. You got a lifetime Grammy achievement award.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
DJ Envy
How did that feel?
Roxanne Shante
That was amazing. You know, when they first even contacted me and told me, like, listen, we're going to give you a lifetime achievement award at the Grammys. And then when I heard the class that I was in, which happened to be Prince and Frankie Beverly and Frankie Valli and Taj Mahal, the Clash, you know, when you first hear all of them and then you say, okay, and you're adding Roxy and Shantae, it was just incredible to me. But it also shows perseverance. It shows patience. It shows something that, you know, a lot of people need to have that understanding that when it comes to hip hop and even when it comes to getting into entertainment and careers, some things are going to take time. Sometimes it's the slow grind. You know, it's a slow. It's the slow burn that makes the incense smell good.
DJ Envy
Did they have a hip hop category when you guys were first putting out records?
Roxanne Shante
No, they didn't. And then all of a sudden, they did come up with one. And then I remember we had to. Everyone got together and wanted to boycott because they had took it back out, then they added it in. So, yeah, definitely.
DJ Envy
Was it bittersweet? A little bit. Because it was like, I feel like I should have been recognized a long time ago for my achievements and what I've done in this industry.
Roxanne Shante
Honestly, no, because if I was going to get a Grammy, I would prefer to have it for lifetime achievement. That means that it really focuses on everything that I've accomplished. You know, like when you see my Grammy, my Grammy represents the person who didn't sell millions of albums. You know, my. My Grammy represents the person that said no to a lot of things that people said yes to. You know what I mean? So therefore, it has, like, a little more of a significance to. To me personally.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
So I would love to have it that way as opposed to, you know, because sometimes people will look at a Grammy and say, okay, well, we know they're going to get the Grammy this year because they had the hottest video and they had the this and they had that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
But in order to have a lifetime, you know, you have to put a lifetime in, and not everybody's gonna last a lifetime. Some people gonna get a hot five years.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
Some people might get a good 10. You know what I'm saying? I've had a strong 40.
Charlamagne Tha God
And you're the first solo female rapper to do that. To do so like, to receive this recognition.
Roxanne Shante
Absolutely.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's amazing.
Roxanne Shante
Yes.
Lauren LaRosa
What was sitting in that moment like for you? Because it is a first. You are getting it because of the entirety of your career, not just the moment when you get that call. You're sitting in it. Is it like, who, wow? Or is it like, boom, duh?
Roxanne Shante
No, for me, it was like. I really. It was, like, hard. It was hard for me to just understand, like, this is really happening. Because when you come into the industry, you come into the industry for, like, three things, and that's to get a record deal, because you want to make sure that you get a record deal, so you're going to make a lot of money. And then two, you want to make sure that you do that great album. You want to go platinum, you want to be on Billboard, that type of thing. But then you also want a Grammy. I think everyone that goes into the music industry, you know, as far as a performer or making records, you want a Grammy. So for me, it was like, after a while, I didn't expect that, but I also knew that I wasn't going to stop being me. Like, I was not going to change being Roxanne Shante. So if I was destined to have a Grammy, then it's going to come whether I sell a million records or not. And that's the reason why, sitting there, I was like, okay, I am really sitting here. Like, I am really next to them. Like, literally, I had to reach out and touch people. Cause I was like, am I really.
Charlamagne Tha God
Is this real?
Roxanne Shante
Yeah, let me just make sure, you know. And I took my daughter with me, and I kept touching her, and she was like, ma, you gonna mess up my makeup. I'm touching her face. You know, that type of stuff. But, yeah, so definitely, I truly enjoy it.
DJ Envy
I wanted to ask, you know, I was talking to Sydney, who's there? She does our digital. And she was like, you know, she watched the Roxanne Shantae just Roxanne Shantae movie. Loved it. But she was like, there was much about it that I missed out of it and she was like, you know, she really didn't go into the group homes that she went into. And this, that, and the other. Why was that taken out and why was that not addressed? Cause I even heard you say something that, you know, you seen a better situation in the group home than in her actual home.
Roxanne Shante
Yes.
DJ Envy
So why was that taken out so much?
Roxanne Shante
You know, when we did the Roxanne Roxanne movie, you know, a big shout out to Pharrell, Forrest Whitaker, you know, Mimi Valdez, Nina Bon Jovi, big shout out to them for making this happen. But when we did the movie and when I told the story, literally every day, everybody was in tears, you know, because I was in the streets for a very long time. And being a young girl in the streets and being a pretty girl at that, you know, there's a lot of things that can happen, you know, and it makes you kind of cold. It changes you a little bit. And so we only did three years of my life because at first we weren't really felt like the world was prepared for the full Roxanne Shantae story. You know what I'm saying? It's not something that you can really sit back and be like, you know, it had a lot of gasping moments. And then when we were doing the movie, one of the things about it was the young lady who played me. Her name is Shantae Adams. It was her first time. She had just came out of school. June 26th and July 5th, we had her already taping. This was her first time being in a movie. And there were a lot of things I didn't want to subject her to, you know what I mean? Because I knew that coming in the industry, it's whatever you are first presented as is what you continue to be in the industry. I don't care how much you try to change. They see you as that first time they were introduced to you. And so I didn't want her to have any nude scenes. I didn't want her to have any strong sexual scenes. I didn't want her to have any strong abuse scenes. So that this way her standard for what she is going to have in the industry. And it shows in the work that she did following up, working with Denzel and doing such other great movies and doing plays and stuff like that. I was also thinking about her. So I was like, listen, we can't put that in, but it'll make a hell of a book. You know, we can't put that in, but I want to talk about this part. And Then even the extension of my movie, because people say it just stops so abruptly. I didn't get a chance to introduce them to biz. So now cool V has done the extension of that. So now we're looking to, like, the part two of everything that I've done is now getting ready to show up in this new project, which is incredible to me.
DJ Envy
Now break down while coovie here, the legendary Coovy. Can we get a chair for cool V in there? And while we get in a chair for him now. How did Biz get introduced? Biz Markey, how did he get introduced?
Roxanne Shante
He was sleeping in the hallway in Queensbridge. Like, this is. That was my introduction to biz market was sleeping in the hallway in Queensbridge, but he was sleeping there because he was working with Shan and he was. He. Biz had the energy that we all needed because he said, we're gonna be stars. And I really couldn't see that because we're sleeping in the movie theaters on 42nd Street. And I'm putting my feet across Biz lap because I hate sticky floors. Like, still today, like, I will lose it if the floor is sticky. I will get up and mop in the middle of the night. That is one of my things, you know, because I don't want the floor to be sticky, you know? And so for me, one of the things was Biz would always say, don't worry about his shiny. Like, we're going to be stars. And I mean, we got karate flicks playing. I mean, if anybody that went to his funeral, they saw that we, you know, I kept my word at the end of everything that we were going to do regarding it. But he had that energy that we all needed. And even when my DJ told me, like, yo, listen, I'm not gonna play for you no more, he said, look, I will beatbox the entire show for you. And he beatbox so much that night, he literally had to put his lips inside of ice water. And so these are the stories that people didn't get a chance to see. So that was the extension with cool V saying, you know what? The story has to be told. And there's no way that you can tell a Cool V bismarcky story without cool V, of course. So Cool V gives you the whole vision of how it takes place from cool V's eyes and what he's saying, you know, which is incredible. And my daughter gets a chance to play me, you know, because who else going to be Roxanne Shantine? Okay?
Lauren LaRosa
That's how you do well, I would love to hear, you know, your take on putting a project together, because I remember you posted something and you were talking about how you still cry when you hear a certain Bismarcky song.
Roxanne Shante
I do.
Lauren LaRosa
And you mentioned that the story. The story of his life could never be told the right way unless you.
Roxanne Shante
Two did it right?
Lauren LaRosa
And now you're doing it. So I think that. I mean, it's gonna be exciting to watch, but I would love to hear, you know, you talk about putting together.
Cool V
If she didn't bring the Vision with the Roxanne. Roxanne movie, right? Who thinks they gonna make a movie about your life? You know what I'm saying? And that movie was so good. We said, damn, we all got a movie. Really? Like. Like, you know, we. We the Juice Crew. We. Every member has a movie.
Roxanne Shante
Yes, Right.
Cool V
And then we started losing members, so. And we lost Mr. Magic first before all of this even happened. So we saying, damn, we didn't get a chance to make a magic movie. Shani got a chance to make her movie. Biz left. I gotta make a movie. People might not know my. My role in the crew. I'm gonna tell about this whole story through my eyes because I remember Biz getting down with Shan first, because Biz was Shan's beatbox first. Then Shantae putting them on the road with her, and then she bringing. Then Biz bringing me and Kane and Swan on, and then, you know, everybody just coming on. But it was because of her allowing her platform to be shared with us. Cause we all had something, but she had it. You see what I'm saying? She had that gift, and it came across. And when we all. She took us all on a roll with her. Every last one of us performed with her so I could tell that story. Now, you know, I did it in the books. I got three books out, right? So, you know. And for people that don't know the Symphony, the Symphony 2, DJ Koolvi never sleeps, these is all stories about all of us. It's not just about me. It's about all of us. The journey and everything like that. Big shout out to Lucio Dutch for writing those books for me. And we put together this movie, and the script is incredible.
DJ Envy
How did y'all know Biz Markey was the one? Right? Because if you look at Biz, you ever been around Biz, you'd be like, no way he's gonna be a successful rapper. Cause he always is joking.
Cool V
He's always laughing.
DJ Envy
He was like the big teddy bear. How did you know he was Gonna be the one.
Roxanne Shante
Because he never gave up. He literally drink, like on moments when I was like, listen, I'm about to go back to dating hustlers. Is this not working?
Lauren LaRosa
We all have those times where I've been there.
Roxanne Shante
Yeah, exactly. Like, listen, I need a fur, y'all playing, you know what I'm saying? And I know I could get this. And so he still had that, like, no, this is what we're gonna do. This is it. And so even going through, you know, not only going through group homes, but also going through foster care, Biz always wanted to be loved. He always felt like he was the last to be chosen. He was the last to be picked, he was the last to be fed, he was the last to be dressed. And he was like, don't worry, we gonna be the first. You watch and see what happens. We gonna be the first. So nobody knew the backstory of what we were going through in order to even become this. Like, before the Roxanne Shantae and the Roxanne's revenge, you know, nobody knows about, you know, 42nd street and being night kids and different things like that. And with Biz, you just knew that it's something magical about him. Like, literally when you looked at him, because he wasn't the nice looking one. And, and, and he smiled like as if it was bright whites and baby, they wasn't. And he used to smile and he just had this whole vibe about him that was just incredible. And you say, you know what? His energy and his magic rubs off because sometimes we just need that magical person next to us.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
You know what I mean? And then he made all of us have that magic. And I realized, okay, you know what? I can be that magical person for somebody because Biz was that for me. So you become an incredible hype man, but then before you know it, you become the front man.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
DJ Envy
Was it true that Biz had ownership or part ownership of Teletubbies? Was that true? That was always a rumor that went around. And I was just curious, was that.
Roxanne Shante
Listen, you messing around with Biz, you mess around with Bizzy on half. Hold on.
Cool V
I gotta wear Biz, you know what I'm saying? Nah.
Roxanne Shante
Well, Biz could create some entertaining stories, and because of that is another reason why he was one of the greatest entertainers ever. So, no, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Because that's between him and his estate, whether or not he gave that Teletubby money, you know what I'm saying? But if that's the case, then I'm definitely the purple one.
DJ Envy
The reason I say that is that was one of the one interviews I'm upset we missed, right. I would always see Biz on the road, right? Because Biz, after, you know, he rapped, he started getting into DJing heavy. And I would always see him on the road and I would always say, yo, you gotta come. He'd be like. And he would call Charlamagne. He would call myself, and that was the one that I was like. I would just love to sit down and just talk to Biz. I would've loved to.
Cool V
Yeah, well, you know, like, Biz was the connector. I'm still with her to this day. He connected me with everybody. Like, all of us. Like, she shared her platform. Biz connected the people, the other pieces to go to the puzzle and you know what I'm saying? And like she said, his stories, whether they were true or not, it made you feel good. And that's why everybody loved.
Roxanne Shante
Everybody was his friend.
Cool V
Everybody.
Roxanne Shante
Everybody was his cousin. Everybody was his friend.
Cool V
You know what I'm saying? So you would love the stories because the stories would get your attention to. Pay attention to the talent. And his talent was he believed. He believed, like you say, the little engine that could. Yes, that was the ultimate hip hop little engine that could. Because he didn't. Wasn't the best rapper. He wasn't the best beatbox. He wasn't all of these things, but he loved to do it. And he said, we gonna be stars. We gonna be stars. Watch, watch. And when he said it, you know, as much as you would say, yeah, right.
Charlamagne Tha God
He made you believe it.
Cool V
It put that battery in your back to say, let's go. Yeah, let's make it happen. And then we put. We all did, you know, say. Cause everybody got they super talent, right? We, like, you know, we combine forces and we became that Juice crew all star thing.
Roxanne Shante
Yeah, we like the super friends.
Cool V
Yeah, we were super friends. We came together. Everybody got their own talent and we respected each other's talents, but we all pushed each other to be better.
DJ Envy
The one thing that always bothered me about Legends is I felt like you guys crawled so everybody else could run, right? And I always felt like I love the flowers, and I'm sure you guys love the flowers too. But I always felt like the industry did you guys dirty, right? As DJs, producers, rappers, performers, you know, they ate and made billions of dollars off this thing that you put on your back and did it for the culture and did it. Cause this came from the heart. And I don't feel like you guys ever made the right money for that, you know what I mean? Because you still had to put your kids through school and your kids through school. How did that always make you feel? Like the industry did you dirty. Like you never got what you was deserved.
Roxanne Shante
You know, for me, I think I might be one of the only ones that was not angry. Like, I just was never angry. I felt like what I'm supposed to have, I'm supposed to have. What I'm going to get, I'm going to get. It is destined. And so I never looked at it, like, okay, well, why aren't they picking me? And why don't I have this and why can't I have that? Instead, I would look at some of the things that some of the artists would go through. Because if we look at it now, like, if we tally up everything, right now, I'm in a better position than anybody that was hot in the 80s. And that's both financially, mentally, physically, at this point in my life, I am better than most of them, if not all of them. And the reason why is because I was willing to wait patiently until the universe said, here, you can have it. I came in the industry at 15. At 15 years old, you give me a million dollars, it's going to be gone in a year. Why? Because I'm going to want a car, I'm going to want this, I'm going to want that, I'm going to want these things. Okay, so now you give me a million dollars in my 50s. I'm going to maintain that for the rest of my life. Why? Because I've already been put in a great position. And when we talk about being put in a great position, you know, I'm on. I have a show, you know, have a nice day. LL Cool Js, Rock the Bells Radio, and I have a show. And we started off with 30,000 listeners per day, and now we're reaching millions per day. So he had ll seen the vision and was like, look, your voice and your storytelling and your experience, we need to have you on every day. So he set us up. So automatically I went and got Cool V. Because there's no way that I could be in any position of growth and not look behind me and see one of my Juice crew members. Like, they have to be in the room. I need them in the room. That is the energy and the magic that comes along with being loyal to each other. So when I look over and I see V, I know I'm Going to have a nice day. I know I'm going to have a great day. So because of that, the success of that, and then along comes the paid in full foundation, which NAS is a part of, and. And because of the Horowitzes. And they say, well, listen, you know what? We want to sit you down and this is what we want to tell you. For everything that you've done in the industry, for all of these years, that you've done all this hard work and you've been overlooked and you've been overshadowed and all of these other things, we have something for you, and we want you to know that this is what you can have. So literally, they made me a millionaire. So when they made me a millionaire, I remember doing an interview and they said, well, now that you have the money, which I would have never saved from then, the money that I would have never had from then, you know, from everything that went on between people going through drugs and different things like that, now that you have this money, what is it that you do now? And the first thing I said is sleep. Because I never knew what it was to sleep. I knew what it was to rest. I knew what it was to take a nap. I knew what it was to catch a quickie, that type of thing. But I never knew what it was to sleep. Since I was 15 years old, never knew what it was like to just get under the covers and sleep. So when I received the check, I slept, you know, And I told him, I said, like, for the first time in my life, I know what it's.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like to sleep and not worry and.
Roxanne Shante
Not worry and not. And not have to be woke up. Because now I got something to do, a job I have to do, you know. Now do I get up to go to work? Absolutely. I love my job. I do what I do. But the main thing is I now know what it is to sleep. And so some people don't understand that. You know what I'm saying? Like, for me, that's what it was. So that money bought me some sleep.
Cool V
Yeah, well, I was mad a little bit. I was pissed. I was pissed. Because you. You think about it like this, right? I can. I gotta blame myself first and foremost for signing contracts and not getting a lawyer, just being happy to be in the room. But we was teenagers.
Roxanne Shante
Yeah. Cause at that time, and I don't mean to cut you up, but let me just say this. At that time, you don't know the difference between your signature and the autograph. So anytime paper is put in front of you. You automatically sign it because you don't know the difference between your signature and autograph.
Charlamagne Tha God
Not that young.
Roxanne Shante
Not exactly. So what you're doing is you're just signing. You know what I mean?
Cool V
And now, to this day.
Kevin Smith
Hey, kids, it's me, Kevin Smith.
Harley Quinn Smith
And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith.
Kevin Smith
That's my daughter, man. Who my wife has always said is just a beardless D? Ckless version of me. And that's the name of our podcast. Beardless D? Ckless Me.
Bob Pittman
I'm the old one, I'm the young one.
Kevin Smith
And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. Sure. We're still figuring it out.
Harley Quinn Smith
It's a work in progress.
Kevin Smith
Listen to Beardless Was me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Jamie Petras
September 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybreak, is about to record their debut album Behind Bars in just five hours.
Bob Pittman
Okay, we're rolling.
DJ Envy
One, two, three, four.
Jamie Petras
I'm Jamie Petras, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s, their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business.
Roxanne Shante
The air to Daybreak, Eyes of Love was supposed to have been followed up by another album.
Jamie Petras
It's a story about the liberating power of music, the American justice system, and ultimately, second chances. Listen to Soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. This week I'm talking to the CEO of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine, all in less than a year. It becomes a human decision to decide.
Roxanne Shante
To throw by the window your business.
Bob Pittman
Strategy and to do what you think.
Roxanne Shante
Is the right thing for the world.
Bob Pittman
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Diosa
We asked parents who adopted teens to share their journey.
Roxanne Shante
We just kind of knew from the Beginning that we were family.
DJ Envy
They showcased a sense of love that.
Roxanne Shante
I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like, he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's.
DJ Envy
All been worth it. I wouldn't change thing about our lives.
Diosa
Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit adoptuskids.org to learn more. Brought to you by Adopt Us Kids, the U.S. department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council.
Cool V
I have never received a royalty for no record I ever made. We got double platinum, platinum, gold, all of that. And we find out later that all of these people are making money off our music. And that's cool. But when you're trying to shut me out, cut me in, find a way, do something. You've been making money for 30 something years off of my legacy biz. Legacy, Shantae, whoever. You know what I'm saying? Like, our whole crew, none of us had our publishing right? None of us had all of these things right? So I'm not crying about it now. Cause I always end up on my feet. You know what I'm saying? Like, we smile every day. I love right now. I'm not dwelling on the past, but it's still money being broken down. Even if you can't give me what you owe me from back then, break it down with me right now. You getting it. You just supporting your families. I got great grandkids. Not grandkids. My grandkids got kids. So while we can't get this money right now, and I'm not upset. Cause we working on a project right now, and I just need people to get these investors together to make this project happen. Because I know it's ready, I know it's right, and we gonna do it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Well, let me just say, as somebody's great grandfather, you look good.
Cool V
Oh, thank you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Going back to what you were talking about, about the movie, the Roxanne Shantae movie, right? The young lady that played you. I know you said that she was right out of what, acting school?
Roxanne Shante
She just graduated out of Carnegie Mellon.
Charlamagne Tha God
Just graduated. Right. And you said there was a lot of things that you didn't put in it because you didn't want to subject her to that. You didn't want to part through that? Was that also because you felt like she was so fresh and new that she wouldn't be able to embody all of that trauma because what your story is enough to. Like you said, people were crying on set every day while you're telling them the stories. Do you feel that she could really convey that with her being such a fresh, like, right out of school.
Roxanne Shante
Well, you know, honestly, she won breakout actor of the year from Sundance from my movie. So it was never a question of her ability. It was, how would they see her? Like, I sat back and I noticed that there were a lot of actors that had played parts that were never able to get out of them. So if she played Roxanne Shantae, you know what I'm saying? And. And, baby, my numbers was high, like, champ stuff. Okay. And I didn't want to put her in all of those positions, you know what I'm saying? Literally, you know, I didn't want to do that to her. And so I just wanted to make sure that when they viewed her, they saw the talent that had to be played emotionally in every part, rather than have her play something else. So that's really what I felt from that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
Lauren LaRosa
I wanted to go back to something you mentioned, too, with the Rock the Bells of LL Cool J.
Roxanne Shante
Yes.
Lauren LaRosa
I. I was reading about. I think this was when he was advertising last year's show. The owner, like, you got. You're a minority owner in the brand, too.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
Lauren LaRosa
That is amazing as well. And I think that. I think a lot of people don't talk about that part of what he does at Rock the Bells and how important it is and that being the foundation. Can you talk a little bit about his first phone call to you about that and kind of how that felt and how it came together?
Roxanne Shante
Well, how this whole thing came about in order for me to have. To have a nice day show was. I did an interview, and I was doing an interview about the movie, and I was doing an interview with Elle. And we are sitting there and we are talking and we are laughing, and he is saying, you know what? I feel like you're interviewing me. He said, you need to be doing this. He said, I'm getting ready to start up this company, and I'm getting ready to start this radio station. He said, look, this is what we gonna do, baby. That's how he does. He go, this what we going to do?
Charlamagne Tha God
Still be licking them lips.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, up here. He was doing it there.
Roxanne Shante
There. He still does. He's like, yeah, so look, this is what we going to do, B. I'm going to make you part owner, which means everything you work for and how you build this, you're going to see the benefits from it, you know, and not that that was more of an incentive for me to work harder because I was going to work harder for him. Anyway, regardless, I was going to do this. I'm going to always put my best foot forward. You're my brother, I trust you. This is what you say we're going to do. This is what we're going to do. But just know that the checks on the back is a nice incentive, you know what I'm saying? That's a nice little come along to know that you're an owner, but then it also makes, you know, the importance of how we represent it. So. Yeah, so definitely. So the phone call was like. It wasn't even a phone call. It was a face to face. And literally I left la. When we did get to New York, he had already set it up for me. He was like, look, I know that you had not really done radio and this is not something like, I didn't know how to work aboard and everything else. So they had to get a whole team together for me. And getting a team together was like a difference because I didn't just come on as talent. It was like, okay, we're going to get everything that you need and all you have to do is be you. And that's exactly what he allowed me to be, you know, and being an owner and, and having others that are also owners is just incredible because it makes you say, like, look what we've built. You know, look what his vision saw. And he understood the importance of ownership because he was like, you've done so many things and you've built so many things for other people. Now it's your turn to say, look, this is what I built and this is what we have. And I thank him for that. Like, literally, we call him the Todd father.
Cool V
You see, I'm rocking right now. You know what I'm saying? Listen, because everything he said in the beginning, and I wasn't even there for that. She told me all of that. But everything that he said in the beginning, what you see now, he said it back then. And we've been on the radio for five years now. He said it then.
DJ Envy
I love it. Talk about the importance of Nas, right? You said Nas made you a millionaire.
Roxanne Shante
Yes.
DJ Envy
Talk about the importance of Nas. Cause I feel like Nas is. And Ella, both of them are like the forgotten artists. And when. I mean the forgotten, we all know they get busy or they all. We all know they got classic albums, we all know they get nice, but I don't think we talk about them enough. So talk about the importance of Nas to you.
Roxanne Shante
And you know, with Nas, it's like watching my Little brother grow up and be exactly what I knew he was gonna be. You know, people would say to me all the time, like, why didn't you ever say about how you and Nas met? And I said, because it was genuine. That's me talking to my brother. That's not a conversation that I'm going to tell everybody. I'm not going to tell you every time I tell my sisters or my brothers that I'm going to beat them up if they don't do right. I'm not going to do that. And so he chose to reveal that to the public. He did that first in his documentary. He was like, listen. And then Shantae said this to me, and it made me understand that because you can see, even with your siblings or even those who are in your neighborhood, because I've grown up in Queensbridge, you know, where there's 15,000 tenants on paper, but 30,000 any given day, because somebody's always living with somebody, Somebody's always on somebody couch in the projects, right? But that was like a little city, but we all knew each other. And I remember seeing Nas and saying, like, yo, you're going to be great. Like, it's just something about you, and I know you are, so stay away from them before I get you, you know? And then he was like, I'm going to rhyme. And I was like, yeah, but you make sure you have together. Because at one time, he wanted to rhyme, but he also wanted to make sure that his crew could run. And I'm saying, like, so you just writing for everybody, right? You know, So I need you to just do this for you, because you are going to be special. There is something about you, and I know it. Because I've always had to be my own hype person to tell myself, like, yo, listen, you're going to be special. And the same energy that I would get from biz, like, saying, like, we going to be, you know, the connection. You know, who's going to be something. And sometimes you can sit back, you just honestly don't want to say it. But you know, who not going to make it. You know, who not going to make it. You can bring them along, but you know they not gonna make it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
You know what I mean?
DJ Envy
I'm sorry.
Roxanne Shante
Go ahead.
DJ Envy
I was gonna ask you. You ever thought about signing Nas back then?
Roxanne Shante
No. And I'mma tell you why. The record company was already not paying me. They weren't treating me right. I lived in the hood, literally, you know, I lived. I lived in an area where cool V came to see me, and Cool V got hurt. That's up to him to elaborate on it.
DJ Envy
But they pulled up the Queensbridge, and.
Roxanne Shante
Then, no, I was living in New York.
Cool V
She came out of my my way, like you.
Roxanne Shante
I was living in Newark at the time, and I remember Cool V coming to see me, literally to bring me money because the record company wasn't doing what it was supposed to do. And so I would never take anyone and bring them into what I'm going through. That's almost like someone who's in an abuse situation, and then you bring somebody else along for them to get abused, too. You know what I'm saying? Instead, I'll just take all this abuse myself, you know, and then whatever I get from it or benefit from it, I'll come back and I'll share it with you. But I don't want to see you go through this. I want you to take a different path. I see something better for you. So even when they would come to me like, yo, I need to get signed, not to this label. Oh, I want to do. Not this one. Gotcha. You know what I mean? And so that's the reason why I never thought signing, but also too, I was never taught the business. You know, they gave me the business, okay, But I was never taught the business. And so because of that, I didn't know about writers and publishing and. And everything else. So even now, because I've never received royalties and I've never received any of those things, that sounds so wild to me. And it's crazy, because we were just. They had just sent me this plaque and everything else, letting me know that Roxanne's Revenge is certified platinum. And this was a year when they were like, oh, no, rappers are going platinum. And it's like, listen, Roxanne's Revenge, certified platinum. And for me to sit back and say, well, you know, I still didn't receive royalties from it, but the universe has paid me so well, you know, I'm a breast cancer survivor. My kids are good with everything that I expose them to. My son is amazing. You know, I'm married to a handsome husband, bald head, bow legs, broad shoes.
Lauren LaRosa
I pull a ring that's a real.
Roxanne Shante
Nice ring, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to brother Jabbar. You know what I'm saying? So one of those things, like, when I sit back, I would have never thought that my life would be as good as it is now, you know? So I'm comfortable, though. There's a lot of things that I should pursue and go after.
Lauren LaRosa
I was gonna say legally, though. You don't ever just wanna. Now you got the lawyer money now you don't ever just wanna figure it out. Cause that plaque.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm with you, V. I'm with you.
Cool V
I'm like, yeah, I ain't crying about it, but I damn letting people know about that. Listen, big shout to Isaac Hayes, son. Cause I just listened to him talk about copyright, terminations and all of these things like that and bringing that awareness. So we never had that, you know what I mean? And it's out here now. So any artist coming up looking to paperwork don't sign nothing without a lawyer. I don't care if it's your parent there, your parent ain't in the music business. Have a lawyer on hand. Because I signed my first contract with 250.
Roxanne Shante
No, you didn't. For a beeper. Tell the truth.
Cool V
No, no, I bought a beeper. I bought a people. No, I bought a beeper with the 250. I mean, but.
Roxanne Shante
All right.
Cool V
I went back in the room, I said, listen, man, I gotta go get a beeper right now. So y'all ain't got nothing else I can sign? Yeah, they saw I signed the. The record deal, so they gave me 500. I ain't get nothing. And that's just being, you know, at the time, at the moment. Cause we living for right now. We never live for the future. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, luckily I've been able to navigate through this thing called life and make it, but, man, it's been hard, you know what I mean? Big shout to my brother that held my ass up for the last 20 years. Big Prev. You know what I'm saying? So we make it. But all of those mistakes we made, we don't want nobody to make the mistakes no more. And we not crying about the mistakes. We do want our money. I know she told my. Yeah, I ain't worried about it. Cause she got the big check came. But you know what I'm saying, Listen, anybody that can help, help. If you can't, cool, we still gonna keep pushing. We got things to do.
DJ Envy
Shout to Isaac Hayes. You said, man, he has fan base. So I wanna salute to him.
Cool V
Fan base. Yes.
DJ Envy
And also, you know I'm a thousand percent into telling these stories, right?
Roxanne Shante
Yes.
DJ Envy
I'm a hip hop head. I'm from Queens. So it's how I grew up is what I saw. It's what I lived. And I feel like these stories need to be Told so much more. You hear these stories when it comes to country music, you hear em when it comes to pop music. And I feel like when it comes to hip hop, because there's so many avengers and superheroes that helped me get by and that I was excited to. I mean, I remember it had to be 15, 20 years ago and you called me to do your opening of your ice cream shop.
Roxanne Shante
Sure did.
DJ Envy
You know what I mean?
Roxanne Shante
Sure did.
DJ Envy
With things like that, it's just like a different respect. And I just want to say thank you for what you did for this industry, especially for y'all. For me, you know what I mean? It's like no other. You know what I mean? But that's why I hold my DJ so close. I feel like nobody ever fucks with us and they just let us go. But that's why I do it so much because I just want people to know that without any of this, it would be none of this. You know what I'm saying?
Cool V
Yes. And that's why I love her because she always said, even when I couldn't DJ for she pulled another person in the crew. She pulled Kane up to DJ4. She pulled all. Everybody's been Shantae's DJ by far. She had. I probably had the most DJs in hip hop. You know what I'm saying?
Roxanne Shante
Yeah. In me for a while.
Cool V
See, you understand me. And I see, that's what I'm saying. It's the truth. But she's never shied away from sharing her platform. And whatever we can get, we can get it all, get it together. So right now, I'm just so happy to be with her right now doing what we doing. Life is beautiful.
DJ Envy
That's right, beautiful.
Cool V
Cause she's glowing like a monkey right now.
Charlamagne Tha God
She is. I wanna ask you, how do you feel about female rap today?
Roxanne Shante
You know, when I think about female rappers today, especially like them being my hip hop sisters, of course there are gonna be some things that your sisters do that you're going to be like, okay, now, I didn't want you to do that. But I also understand that when it comes to hip hop, it's a reflection of what we're dealing with. It's a reflection of society. It's a reflection when people say, oh, I remember when female rappers used to wear their clothes. I remember when women used to wear their clothes, period. You know what I mean? So you can't just put that on just female rappers because that's just not the case. And then also too, you need to look at it where it's their costume, it's their uniform for work. They're not walking around the house like that all day. You know, they're not in front of their children like that all day. So because of that, I think sometimes people really read them wrong and don't understand how hard it is. Because if you think it's hard being a woman, try being a black woman. If you think it's hard being a black woman, then try being a black female rapper. You know what I mean? It gets harder as it goes on. The more hats you add to it, the more difficult it is. You know, it's a lot of weight on us, on what we represent and how we do present ourselves. Now the thing that I do love about it is that now they understand the business. So because they understand the business, they've taken more control. They say what they're going to do, what they're going to wear, where they're going to go, you know, and hopefully that is the case for most of them. So when you see the success that they have now, it's an honor for me to sit back and say, you know what? I started in the parks so that she's at the Palladium. I started at here where she's at the Palace. You know, I was able to battle these men where now she doesn't even have to battle anything. Her most her choice now is what Birkin she's going to carry and where she's going to go and what car she's going to get in. And if I had anything to do with that, truly an honor for me because I sit back and I smile, you know, I think that's where you see the fact that I don't have any anger because I don't have any envy for it. No pun intended. But the main thing is I love to see them succeed. And as with anyone, you want to see the next generation do better. So when they getting these multi million dollar deals, I'm like, yeah, that's what you do. You know, when they're going up to these award shows and they're speaking their mind without somebody telling them, don't say that. Don't get up there and feel that way. You know, I love it. So female rappers today, I, I embrace them all.
Charlamagne Tha God
You got any favor?
Roxanne Shante
You know what I'm saying? I don't have a favorite. And that's not a political answer. The reason why is because I'm a person who goes through a lot of different emotions. So I might have a doshi day when I'm having a doshi day, you know what I'm saying? It could be my anxiety, but then I can also have my cardi b days, and, you know, I can have my Megan days, and I can even have my Remy days and Queen Latifah days. It just depends on how I'm feeling emotionally when it comes to. Because I'm a person who listens to music emotionally, so therefore, I don't have a favorite. Because what can be a good day is a good day, and what can be a bad day is a bad day.
Charlamagne Tha God
And that's the beauty of it. Right? Because each female rapper, to me these days, it's so different. Everybody not the same. And I know you hear the conversations of all rap is the same. No, everybody's not the same. Like you said, you got your Dolce daisies. You know it. So that's the beauty of what the. It's like a mixed pool.
Roxanne Shante
Absolutely.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I mean?
Roxanne Shante
Yeah.
DJ Envy
How does it feel to see your daughter jumping into music?
Roxanne Shante
You know what? I love it. I love it. You know, to see her, like, when my daughter's name is. Call me Taji. Her name is Taji. And when I get a chance to hear her sing, deep down in my heart, I was like, damn, she got my voice. Like, that would have been my voice if I was a singer. You know what I mean? Like, that's my voice. And when I look at her physique, I'm like, that's my body, you know, so I'm that type of mom, and I love it. And I encourage her, you know, she doesn't choose to want to use my support with things. And I'm telling her all the time, like, listen, I could get you this. She says, no, because I need to earn it. And I feel honored that the fact that I helped her have that in her to want to earn it on.
Charlamagne Tha God
Her own, I'm like, that's you?
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, that's what she says.
Roxanne Shante
You. Yeah, she. Yeah, she definitely is. She definitely is. So I can sit back and smile. Like, you can see how my face just lights up and brights up when it comes to her and seeing all the things that she does. And now even playing me in the movie, like, anybody that wants to portray Roxanne Shante, they must use my daughter, or I don't get permission.
Charlamagne Tha God
Wow, I love that.
Roxanne Shante
That's right.
Lauren LaRosa
I love that you're doing that.
Roxanne Shante
Yeah. Listen, if it's gonna be me, me, it's gonna come from me. It's Gonna be me. You know what I mean? So there's been quite a few projects now that she's been able to do, like, documentaries for other people. They'd be like, oh, yeah, listen, we would like to have somebody play, you know, you won't. You'd like to have my daughter play me? She's on her way now.
Lauren LaRosa
Do you find yourself being harder on about her actual business? Business, like the paperwork. Because of everything you went through with paperwork and misunderstanding things in your career. Like, are you like. Like, no, let mommy do this. Like, let me get in there.
Roxanne Shante
No, see, because mommy don't know how to do it. So we just send everything to the lawyers. But what I am very on her about is when she goes to do certain recordings in certain places. I'm one of those moms, like, I don't trust certain situations because I've seen a lot.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
So when she tells me, oh, I'm going to a studio. What studio?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
Who. Who he work with? What he say? You FaceTime me. She'd be like, ma, I don't want to put you on. Put me on speaker or come home, because I know what it's like to be out there and not have nobody to put on speaker. So then people think that they can do anything to you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
I need them to know that I'm around the corner, literally. And I don't care where she's at. I'm coming. Because if I'm not around the corner, then the things that I've done, I know somebody who's around the corner who's going to come, you know? And so sometimes I think she feels like I hover over her too much with certain things, but it's the safety factor. And then when she sees certain things in the news and stuff like that, she'd be like, yeah, my mom, of course. Yeah, she would have had a fit. And you want them to feel that way. You know, you notice that she's 26.
Charlamagne Tha God
26.
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, yeah, 26.
Charlamagne Tha God
Still a baby.
Roxanne Shante
Yeah, she's 26. She'll get it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Wait till she. At 30, she.
Roxanne Shante
You was right about everything. Yeah, she's 26.
Lauren LaRosa
My last question for you, and I'm going back again, but you've been saying so much. I'm just like, all taking it in that I didn't want to interrupt. You mentioned earlier about how you honor biz at his funeral.
Roxanne Shante
Yes.
Lauren LaRosa
With the 36 chambers.
Roxanne Shante
Oh, you saw it?
Lauren LaRosa
Yes, I didn't see it, but I. I saw reports about it, and when I read it Knowing. Well, not knowing you personally, but just knowing the history of you guys relationship, I'm like, wow, that had to be tough for her. But it probably like it was Yalls thing. Like, I know he had act jokingly said that he wanted you to do that.
Roxanne Shante
Yes.
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah.
Roxanne Shante
What happened was we were sitting inside of movie theater on 42nd street and it was a three for one movie theater. And that's where back in the days you could see three Chinese flicks and they would play all night long. And we were in there and it was 36 chambers, it was the five deadly venoms, and it was Monkey King Kung Fu. And the reason why I remember that is because it played all night long, you know. And so we were sitting there and I had my feet across his, and he was like, yeah, you know, when I die, this is what. And now, mind you, we're teenagers and we're talking about dying.
Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
Roxanne Shante
You know, at this time, we're teenagers and we're talking about dying. And he was like, when I die, that's what I want you to do at my funeral. I want you to come in there and this is what I want. And I was like, yeah, so at my funeral, I want you to come running in at mine and be like, teacher, teacher, why you leave me? You know, like, that's exactly what I wanted to happen. And so I remember my family seeing me with this karate suit. And they was like, oh, no, no, ma, you're not gonna do this karate suit.
Cool V
We didn't think she was gonna, you.
Roxanne Shante
Know, say, because I was ready. I was gonna be. I was gonna put the gi on, I was getting ready for the belt. I was coming down, I was ready because this is my brother. I gave him my word. And I'm doing this until the grave. Like, this is what I'm gonna do. And so they were like, no, you can't have that. So somebody had took the suicide. I had on my regular clothes, but what I did was I took a sheet from the hotel and when I walked up there, I wrapped the sheet around me like a monk and draped it across me. And then I delivered the speech from 36 chambers, you know, and that was so that he could understand that. My brother, you did well. You know, you left me Cut, Master Cool V. Because it's always like, they always want to leave you something. And so I was like, you left me Master Cool V. And my brother, you did well. And I felt good. And I was able to sleep at night. Regards to how anybody felt. Regards to what cameras caught it regards to what anybody thought, that was my word to my brother, and my word to me is everything.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, he wanted you to do that.
Roxanne Shante
And. And there you go. And so we did it. And I. You know what I was thankful for, honestly? He still left us too soon, but I was thankful that we got a chance to grow up and do that, because we were talking about doing that as teenagers. But to be well into our 50s and be able to do that still made me feel good. Like, wow, we really lived a lifetime.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's what happens.
Roxanne Shante
Absolutely.
DJ Envy
We appreciate y'all for joining us.
Roxanne Shante
Cool.
Cool V
V rocks. Man, I didn't even think I was gonna see no mic today. Listen, thank y'all.
DJ Envy
Legendary. Well, we appreciate you guys again. And, you know, anytime you're doing anything, come on up. When your daughter's ready to. To play a song, come on up.
Roxanne Shante
Absolutely. Absolutely.
DJ Envy
That's right.
Roxanne Shante
Thank you so much.
DJ Envy
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Cool V
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Kevin Smith
The Breakfast Club. Hey, kids, it's me, Kevin Smith.
Harley Quinn Smith
And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith.
Kevin Smith
That's my daughter, man. Who my wife has always said is just a beardless dless version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless Me.
Roxanne Shante
I'm the old one, I'm the young one.
Kevin Smith
And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out.
Harley Quinn Smith
It's a work in progress.
Kevin Smith
Listen to Beardless with me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter, and philanthropist Jewel. Being a rock star is very fun.
Roxanne Shante
But helping people is way more fun.
Bob Pittman
And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing.
Roxanne Shante
I figured out the formula. I just have to work hard then that's magic.
Bob Pittman
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Harley Quinn Smith
Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new Star Wars Rebels Rewatch podcast. I'm Vanessa Marshall, voice of Harrison Duela Spect, Spectre 2. I'm Tia Sirkar. Sabine Wren, Spectre 5.
Roxanne Shante
I'm Taylor Gray.
Kevin Smith
Ezra Bridger, Spectre 6.
Cool V
And I'm Jon Librote, the Ghost Crew Stowaway moderator.
Harley Quinn Smith
Each week we're gonna rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and share some fun behind the scenes stories.
Roxanne Shante
Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests.
Cool V
Like Steve blume voices Zabarelio's Spectre 4, or Dante Bosco voices Jai Kel and many others.
Harley Quinn Smith
So hang on because it's gonna be a fun ride.
DJ Envy
Cue the music.
Cool V
Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeartRadio.
Roxanne Shante
App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Diosa
Are your ears bored?
Harley Quinn Smith
Yeah. Are you looking for a new podcast that will make you laugh, learn and say que?
Roxanne Shante
Yeah.
Diosa
Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today.
Roxanne Shante
Okay.
Harley Quinn Smith
Now that's what I call a podcast. I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.
Diosa
Very extra way of saying a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club Featuring Roxanne Shante
Title: DONKEY: Roxanne Shante Speaks On Her Legacy, Friendship With Nas, Advice To Female Rappers + More
Host: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guest: Roxanne Shante
Release Date: April 1, 2025
Duration: Approximately 43 minutes [02:20 – 45:31]
1. Introduction and Grammy Achievement
The episode kicks off with DJ Envy welcoming Roxanne Shante to The Breakfast Club. Roxanne expresses her gratitude and contentment upon receiving a lifetime Grammy Achievement Award.
Roxanne Shante [03:02]: "It shows perseverance. It shows patience... it's the slow burn that makes the incense smell good."
She reflects on the significance of the award, emphasizing that it honors her entire career rather than specific commercial successes.
Roxanne Shante [04:00]: "My Grammy represents the person that didn't sell millions of albums... It has a little more of a significance to me personally."
2. The Evolution of Hip Hop Recognition
Roxanne discusses the evolution of Grammy categories, particularly the introduction and subsequent removal of the hip hop category. Her advocacy alongside peers led to the reinstatement of the category, highlighting the industry's slow recognition of hip hop artists.
Roxanne Shante [03:53]: "They had to add it back in because we all boycotted when they took it out."
3. Reflections on Career and Industry Challenges
Roxanne shares candid insights into her experiences within the music industry, including struggles with record sales, royalties, and maintaining artistic integrity. She underscores the importance of staying true to oneself despite external pressures.
Roxanne Shante [05:56]: "I was never angry... I was willing to wait patiently until the universe said, here, you can have it."
4. Friendship and Collaboration with Nas
A significant portion of the discussion centers on Roxanne's friendship with fellow hip hop legend Nas. She portrays Nas as a brotherly figure whose dedication and talent she has long recognized and supported.
Roxanne Shante [29:24]: "With Nas, it's like watching my little brother grow up and be exactly what I knew he was gonna be."
Roxanne emphasizes the genuine bond they share, which transcends professional collaboration.
Roxanne Shante [29:08]: "It's genuine... I'm not going to tell you every time I tell my sisters or my brothers..."
5. Addressing Industry Inequities and Royalties
Roxanne does not shy away from discussing the inequities faced by artists, particularly in royalty distributions. She recounts personal experiences of not receiving royalties despite achieving platinum status, highlighting systemic issues within the industry.
Cool V [34:15]: "We find out later that all of these people are making money off our music."
Roxanne adds her perspective, balancing frustration with a sense of acceptance and resilience.
Roxanne Shante [35:12]: "I ain't crying about it now... We got things to do."
6. Legacy Projects and Film Adaptations
Roxanne delves into her legacy projects, including the portrayal of her life story in film. She speaks proudly of casting her daughter, Taji, to play her role, ensuring authenticity and a personal touch in depicting her journey.
Roxanne Shante [40:48]: "Anybody that wants to portray Roxanne Shante, they must use my daughter, or I don't get permission."
She discusses the delicate balance of representing her past without subjecting her daughter to the trauma Roxanne experienced.
Roxanne Shante [25:40]: "She was her first time being in a movie... I didn't want to have any strong abuse scenes."
7. Advice to Female Rappers
Towards the end of the interview, Roxanne offers heartfelt advice to female rappers navigating the modern music landscape. She acknowledges the increased control female artists now have over their careers and encourages them to embrace their individuality.
Roxanne Shante [36:55]: "Now they understand the business... They've taken more control. They say what they're going to do, what they're going to wear..."
Roxanne praises the new generation for their success and autonomy, expressing pride in their achievements.
Roxanne Shante [37:00]: "It's an honor for me to sit back and say... I started in the parks so that she's at the Palladium."
8. Personal Life and Family
The conversation also touches on Roxanne's personal life, particularly her relationship with her daughter, Taji. She expresses joy in witnessing Taji's foray into music and her decision to embody Roxanne's legacy in film.
Roxanne Shante [40:29]: "I love it... I can see how my face just lights up and brightens up when it comes to her."
Roxanne emphasizes the importance of family support and safeguarding her daughter's well-being within the industry.
Roxanne Shante [41:19]: "I'm coming... She feels like I hover over her too much with certain things, but it's the safety factor."
9. Honoring Biz Markie
Roxanne shares a poignant moment honoring her late friend, Biz Markie, at his funeral. She recounts fulfilling a promise they made as teenagers, which serves as a testament to their enduring bond.
Roxanne Shante [43:30]: "We did it... I was able to sleep at night."
This segment underscores the deep personal connections that have shaped her life and career.
10. Closing Remarks
The episode concludes with expressions of gratitude from both Roxanne and the hosts. Roxanne reiterates her commitment to preserving her legacy and supporting upcoming projects.
Roxanne Shante [45:30]: "Thank you so much."
Notable Quotes:
Roxanne Shante [03:02]: "It shows perseverance. It shows patience... it's the slow burn that makes the incense smell good."
Roxanne Shante [04:00]: "My Grammy represents the person that didn't sell millions of albums... It has a little more of a significance to me personally."
Roxanne Shante [29:24]: "With Nas, it's like watching my little brother grow up and be exactly what I knew he was gonna be."
Roxanne Shante [36:55]: "Now they understand the business... They've taken more control. They say what they're going to do, what they're going to wear..."
Roxanne Shante [43:30]: "We did it... I was able to sleep at night."
Conclusion
In this emotionally charged and insightful episode, Roxanne Shante opens up about her illustrious career, personal relationships, particularly with Nas and Biz Markie, and her unwavering support for the next generation of female rappers. She addresses the challenges faced within the music industry, celebrates her achievements, and underscores the importance of legacy and family. Roxanne's candidness and heartfelt reflections provide listeners with a deeper understanding of her journey and enduring impact on hip hop.