FULL SHOW: Brandy Explains Why She Walked Off Stage, Monica Responds, Stephen A. Smith Calls Out LeBron & Alexis Ohanian Again + Gucci Mane & Keyshia Ka’oir Interview

Summary

The Breakfast Club – October 20, 2025

Episode: FULL SHOW: Brandy Explains Why She Walked Off Stage, Monica Responds, Stephen A. Smith Calls Out LeBron & Alexis Ohanian Again + Gucci Mane & Keyshia Ka’oir Interview

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Episode Overview

This lively edition of The Breakfast Club dives deep into the worlds of music, mental health, sports, and politics. DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, and Charlamagne Tha God are joined by Gucci Mane and his wife Keyshia Ka’oir for an in-depth conversation about his new book "Episodes" and their journey through his mental health battles. The show also covers the Brandy and Monica tour drama, Stephen A. Smith’s latest comments about LeBron James and Alexis Ohanian, and a candid Kamala Harris interview reflecting on power and democracy. The hosts balance culture, social commentary, and comedy with real moments of vulnerability and community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weekend Talks and Kicks (02:30–05:41)

• The hosts chat about their weekends, pumpkin carving contests (Lauren besting her son Ash with “wig lashes” and a nose ring), and fall home decorations.
• Charlamagne shares about his trip to Birmingham, Alabama, promoting Kamala Harris's new book and talks at multiple events.

2. Front Page News: Protests & Pardons (07:09–13:03)

No Kings Movement

• Mimi Brown reports on the historic "No Kings" protests against President Trump: 7 million protested nationwide, signaling a defense of democracy against perceived abuse of power (07:09).
• Bernie Sanders addresses the economic system hijacked by billionaires:

  "This is about a handful of the wealthiest people on earth who in their insatiable greed have hijacked our economy..." (07:59, Bernie Sanders).

• Trump dismisses the protest:

  "I think it's a joke. I looked at the people. They're not representative of this country... Paid for by Soros and other radical left lunatics." (08:50, DJ Envy quoting Trump).

George Santos Pardon

• Trump commutes and expunges disgraced Congressman Santos’s sentence, removing restitution for his fraud victims (10:45–12:46).
• "If you're cool with Trump, you really don't serve much time. You ain't got to pay restitution. You ain't on probation." (12:23, DJ Envy).

3. Community Sound-Offs and Call-In Segment (13:20–20:08)

• Fans vent frustration, especially regarding Stephen A. Smith; some callers flat-out label him "a coon, a sellout" (17:00–18:47).
• Discussion of the government shutdown and the irony of paying federal taxes while the federal government is closed (19:13–19:44), prompting speculation about reparations.

4. Brandy & Monica “The Boy Is Mine” Tour Drama (20:15–31:42)

• Lauren LaRosa details Brandy’s mid-show walk-off in Chicago, citing severe sound issues and dehydration (21:00–24:00).
  • Brandy’s statement:

    "After a few weeks of nonstop rehearsals last night I experienced dehydration and feeling of wanting to faint..." (24:00).

  • Monica graciously completed the concert:

    "It took 27 years to figure out what we were supposed to be... we allow too many other people in the midst of what was just supposed to be us." (22:47, Monica).

• The duo returns onstage in Indianapolis the next night, showing resilience.
• Hosts reflect on the demands of live tours and professionalism, commending both artists' handling of the situation.

5. News Recap: Tragedy & Heist (33:09–39:20)

• Report on the disappearance and likely murder of Kada Scott in Philadelphia, community frustration with police response (33:09–36:16).
• A daring and cinematic jewel heist at the Louvre Museum:

  "Sometimes you gotta let people get away with things just based off the degree of difficulty." (38:13, Charlamagne Tha God).

6. Gucci Mane & Keyshia Ka’oir Interview (39:43–79:38)

Mental Health, “Episodes”, and Healing

Gucci on Mental Health & Honesty

• Gucci Mane discusses being clinically diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, why he chose to be open (40:39):

  "I gotta really just hold myself accountable and take care of my health. I don’t never want to have an episode again."

• Keyshia shares the challenges as Gucci’s partner:

  "It's really sad because you're seeing someone you don't know... but I'm not talking to Gucci. Who is this person?" (41:35, Keyshia Ka’oir).

Family & Support

• Keyshia describes organizing involuntary hospitalization for Gucci during his worst episodes (42:47).
• The importance of medication and early intervention; Keyshia catches episodes early (48:08).

Media, Apologies, and Reflection

• Gucci recalls public breakdowns, regrets, and apologizing to those he wronged:

  "I apologize to everybody who would accept my apology...I felt terribly bad." (45:55).

• The couple discusses the media’s role in amplifying mental instability for content.

Hip-Hop Legacy

• Gucci and Keyshia express frustration over artists he discovered (like Migos, Nicki Minaj, French Montana) not acknowledging him enough:

  "None of them talks about that. Not one of them." (49:52, Keyshia Ka’oir).

• Gucci: "I get fulfillment out of helping artists... I was reaching out to them, trying to help them, 'cause I saw talent in them." (50:02).

Pill Culture & Regret

• Gucci reflects on his influence:

  "I know that I like, made a lot of people use drugs... Because that's what I was on back then... now, I don't feel no shame no more." (51:58–71:45).

Versus Battle Against Jeezy

• Keyshia tried to pay Gucci $1M NOT to do it:

  "I said, I will pay you a million dollars not to do this." (53:29, Keyshia).

• Tense recounting of a pre-battle flight encounter with Jeezy (61:34, Gucci).
• On triggers: revisiting East Atlanta and difficult chapters is still hard—some songs and places are off-limits (62:33–64:35).

Keyshia’s Role & Recovery

• Keyshia details how she manages episodes and communications behind the scenes—deleting apps, controlling narrative, blocking contacts (67:45).
• Her care includes practical steps and immense emotional labor, which she describes as “harder than being the one with the illness” (74:58).

Redefining “Real” in Hip-Hop

• Gucci on fatherhood:

  "They talking about their hood. But the best hood is fatherhood. That's right. That's what I'm most proud of." (78:19).

• Pride in breaking generational curses, building wealth for his family (79:04).
• Keyshia lauded as the “glue” that holds him together (117:05).

7. Kamala Harris Interview (86:13–107:23)

• Charlamagne interviews former VP Kamala Harris about her book "107 Days," internal Democratic Party strife, and her take on democracy and the system’s ability to “fix itself.”
• Candid admissions:

  "I firmly believe we could have done more... we had a certain level of leverage that we did not exercise, whether it was about what we did in terms of supplying support, at what level, about speaking publicly..." (93:40, Kamala Harris on Gaza/Biden response).

• On whether she felt complicit:

  "The people in the administration were very clear about how I felt." (94:17).

• Harris narrates a humorous but telling marital anecdote about her birthday and Doug's (her husband) gifting mishap (99:54–101:06).
• She concludes the U.S. system is deeply flawed and reform will require grassroots, outside-the-system movement, not just insiders (103:41–106:14).

8. Topic Recap: Sports, Stephen A. Smith, LeBron & Alexis Ohanian (108:04–115:26)

• Stephen A. Smith claims LeBron James “doesn’t go at White people the same way he does Black analysts,” sparking debate among the hosts (108:17).
• Charlamagne notes LeBron’s record as a public voice for social justice issues is far more meaningful than sparring with sports pundits.
• Stephen A.’s ongoing feud with Alexis Ohanian (Serena Williams’ husband) is dissected, with the hosts clowning the situation and questioning who would “keep the same energy” face-to-face (112:31–114:17).
• DJ Envy and Charlamagne also highlight LeBron’s refusal to play it safe, contrasting him to Michael Jordan on political speech (115:01).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Brandy on her on-stage issues:
  "I sincerely apologize for the abrupt end to last night's performance... I experienced dehydration and feeling of wanting to faint..." (24:00, Brandy's letter).

• Gucci Mane’s hard-earned wisdom:
  "You got to do the work yourself. If you want to get better, people can want it for you, but you still got to want it more than they do." (44:06).

• Keyshia on caretaking:
  "You want to sit here and be crazy alone? I'm not gonna allow you to be crazy alone." (42:28).

• Kamala Harris on power & democracy:
  "We need to fight fire with fire. This is not a time to try and be the ones who are holding up the standard when they are stealing our lunch." (92:29–92:31).

• On hip-hop’s definition of real: "The best hood is fatherhood." (78:19, Gucci Mane).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pumpkin Carving / Weekend Talks: 02:30–05:41
• No Kings Protest / Trump Reaction: 07:09–09:38
• Trump Pardons Geoffrey Santos: 10:45–12:46
• Brandy & Monica Tour Drama: 21:00–31:42
• Gucci Mane & Keyshia Ka’oir Interview: 39:43–79:38
• Kamala Harris Interview: 86:13–107:23
• Stephen A. Smith, LeBron, Alexis Ohanian: 108:04–115:26

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Tone & Style

The show remains bold, uncensored, and rooted in hip-hop and Black culture, balancing investigative news, humor, personal stories, and community upliftment. The hosts are quick-witted but compassionate, holding space for tough conversations about mental health, justice, and the everyday realities of their audience.

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its rich, honest conversation—especially on topics of mental health, personal transformation, hip-hop legacy, and holding power to account. The Gucci Mane and Keyshia Ka’oir interview is especially resonant, offering both vulnerability and inspiration. With equal parts laughs and life lessons, the episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in celebrity culture, music, social justice, and real talk from voices that matter.

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For Further Listening

• Gucci Mane’s new book: Episodes: Diary of a Recovering Madman
• Kamala Harris’s new memoir: 107 Days
• **Upcoming Brandy & Monica “The Boy Is Mine” tour dates

Transcript

[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cut the camera.

[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was dumb. Do not follow my example.

[DJ Envy]

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[Mimi Brown]

32 lost nuclear weapons.

[Kamala Harris]

You're like, wait, stop.

[Keisha Ko]

What?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, it's going to be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of fabulous guests. Paul Scheer, Angela and Jenna. Nick Kroll, Jordan Klepper. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good morning, usa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[DJ Envy]

Jess. Hilarious. Good morning, Charlemagne.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The God peace to the planet. It's Monday. Good morning. How y' all feel out there? I feel blessed, black and highly favored. Happy to be here. Another day to our beautiful listeners. Good morning. What's happening?

[DJ Envy]

Good morning. How was your weekend, Jess? What you do this weekend?

[Gucci Mane]

You was off?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, I Was off. But I'm still always on very much doing business every day. But me and my kids, we carve pumpkins this. This year. Well, Marley is too young to do it, but me and my son, we did it. And we had a contest. And whoever carved, like, the best, like, creative little pumpkin, it got $50. I gave it to Ash. Anyway, mine was better than his. I had wig lashes. Did my. My eyebrows on it. Put a little nose ring in my pumpkin.

[DJ Envy]

Did you carve it carving? Like, cut the inside?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, I did.

[DJ Envy]

I know what carving. I'm just making sure.

[Kamala Harris]

Come on.

[DJ Envy]

Some people just paint pumpkins. And they'd be like, I carved. No, no, no, no.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's what we let Marley. That's what we was gonna let Marley do. Cause she won. But she was looking at that like, no, I'm not. So, yeah, Ash, like, he made his pumpkin look like, scream. Like the scream villain or whatever. But mine was nice. Mine was giving very much. City girls.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, he won.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He got more.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, she had a wig and eyelashes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, city girls.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Bust down my pumpkin had to bust down. Real wig, very much. And it still better be on my porch. I know that when I get back to Maryland.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, well, this is the first year that I actually did fall decorations. So we put up pumpkins. I was excited because my neighbors do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It all the time.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I know you, but I never do it.

[DJ Envy]

I just do Christmas. So we got busy with it. I was excited about that. And I gotta give you some spray. There's a spray that you spray on the pumpkins so that the animals don't eat the pumpkins. So the squirrels don't eat in the chipmunks, the rabbits, the deer.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Got it.

[Kamala Harris]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

I send you the app for the spray now. Charlamagne. I knew you was in Alabama, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I was in Birmingham over the weekend. Dropped one of clues bombs for everybody I saw in Birmingham. I was. You know, Kamala Harris book is out 107 days. Been number one on the new York Times bestsellers list for weeks now. And so I did a couple of. Couple of book conversations with her on Friday night.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. We go get that back on this morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, we spoke at 5 o'. Clock. Then we had a second show at 8 o'. Clock. Which is interesting because I don't think I ever did that before. I talked to the same person.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, twice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Twice in a span of hours.

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it was two totally different conversations.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, well, we're gonna get that if you missed it or you weren't there. Of Course we're gonna get that back on later on today.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Truth to everybody, I suck at Johina's Johannes Johannes restaurant in Birmingham, Alabama. My homegirl Shun owns that spot in Birmingham. You know they got the classic this weekend. Yes, yes. And everybody gonna be trying to get into Johannes. Cause it's that type of spot. It's a Japanese spot. They serve sushi and all types of other stuff. So if you need a table, call me. Not going to pick up. But you know, this feels good to say call me. I know the owner.

[DJ Envy]

Jesus.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But not going to pick up. No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Who won that Danny Garcia fight?

[Gucci Mane]

Danny Garcia.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He knocked him out because I didn't hear anything about it. I just wanted to make sure he did win last fight and he is now retired then, allegedly, according to what.

[DJ Envy]

He said when he was here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, that's dope. I'm glad he won.

[DJ Envy]

All right, now, today on the show, Gucci Mane will be joining us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Wobsters.

[DJ Envy]

Not just Gucci, now, now, also his wife Keisha kr. They'll be joining us. He has a new book called Episodes and a new album. So we're going to be talking to Gucc.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Episodes is such an important book because, you know, Gucci Mane has been clinically diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia. And he's the first artist that I can remember who is open about that. Talking about taking his meds and you know, what triggers his episodes, you know, how his wife helped him get through it. Very important book Episodes is, man. So I can't wait to talk to him about it.

[Gucci Mane]

That's right.

[DJ Envy]

So Gucci will be joining us this morning. Should be a lot of fun. And when we come back, we got front page news. A lot of protests over the weekend. Mimi will be filling us in with everything that went down over the weekend. So don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne tha God we are the Breakfast Club. Let's get in some front page news.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You'll never wonder that when gorilla say how is that your man? When he right here with me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why are you telling his name?

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's loud.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She trying to humble the bitch.

[DJ Envy]

Let her know I don't even know why we're doing football scores, but I'll do them. The Eagles beat the Vikings 28, 22. Patriots beat the Titans. The Browns beat the do. The Chiefs beat the Raiders. The Giants lost to the Broncos. That is so disrespectful, so nasty, so disgusting. You should be. Y' all should be ashamed of yourself. You're up 19 nothing in the fourth quarter. Come back. You missed two point. Like. Oh, my gosh, it happens. No, not like that. Cowboys beat. When's the last time that happened? They said it hasn't happened in 1600 games. Our team has been up 19 points in the fourth quarter or more. But of course, the Giants broke that record. All right. The Cowboys beat the Commanders 44, 22, 49ers beat the Falcons, 2010. The packers beat the Cardinals. The Colts beat the Chargers. The Bears beat the Saints, and the jets lost again. The jets are.07. Now tonight in Monday Night Football, Tampa Bay takes on the Detroit Lions and the Texans take on the Seahawks. What's up, Mimi?

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning, Envy. Just Charlemagne. How y' all doing this morning? Hey, girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

All right.

[Mimi Brown]

Well, we start this morning with massive protests around the country as millions took to the streets for the no Kings movement, a direct response to President Trump and his administration. Nearly 7 million people across all 50 states and all around the world joined Saturday's demonstrations, denouncing what they call an abuse of power by the president. Now, organizers say it was the largest single day protest against a sitting president in modern day history, surpassing the first wave of no King demonstrations held back in June. From Boston to Los Angeles, huge crowds filled the streets. Waving flags, carrying signs, protesters said that they were marching to defend democracy, oppose immigration raids and push back on troop deployments and health care cuts. And in Washington, Senator Bernie Sanders, he took to the stage calling out what he says are growing threats to democracy. Let's listen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is about a handful of the wealthiest people on earth who in their insatiable greed have hijacked our economy and our political system in order to enrich themselves at the expense of working families throughout this country. I am talking about Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and the other multi billionaires.

[Mimi Brown]

Well, meanwhile, Republicans are dismissing the protests as hate America rallies, accusing Democrats of fueling unrest during the ongoing government shutdown. And reporters, they press President Trump for his reaction to the massive demonstrations this weekend. And this was his response.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's your response to the protest over.

[DJ Envy]

The weekend, the new king's protest on Saturday? I think it's a joke. I looked at the people. They're not representative of this country. And I looked at all the brand new signs. Paid for. I guess it was paid for by Soros and other radical left lunatics.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It looks like it was. We're checking it out.

[DJ Envy]

The demonstrations were very small Very ineffective.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the people were whacked out.

[DJ Envy]

When you look at those people, those are not representative of the people of.

[Keisha Ko]

Our country besides San Francisco.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not a king. I'm not a king.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I work my ass off to make our country great. That's all it is.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not a king at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I don't think he's a king. He's just not a good president. I mean, when you have a bunch of people who are unemployed and you have a bunch of people who aren't getting paid, what do you expect them to do? Like they, they feel like they, they not being heard. So of course they're going to take to the streets.

[Mimi Brown]

Absolutely. And just to say Trumpy also, he mocked those demonstrations Saturday. While they were going on, he posted on True Social, including AI generated video showing him wearing a crown, flying a jet and bombing protesters with some sort of ground liquid. But despite the criticism, organizers are saying that it was a success, saying millions came together to peacefully send a clear message about democracy. And later today in Washington, the shutdown senators will reconvene at 3pm to take another vote at 5:30 on reopening the government and see if we're going to continue the shutdown. So we'll continue to watch that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nobody's going to be happy because Donald Trump made a lot of promises about the economy that, you know, have not been kept. And he promised immediate relief on day one, that inflation would be down, you know, grocery prices would be down, gas prices would be down. That's what he promised the American people on day one. All you're seeing is a bunch of, you know, firings and layoffs and furloughs and people not working. What does he expect people to do except for take it to the street and make some noise, especially the holidays coming up, too? Oh, my God. This is the ultimate reminder that you ain't got no goddamn money in your pocket.

[Mimi Brown]

Absolutely. And people are really feeling it. Not only is he doing all those things Charlamagne, he is pardoning and commuting sentences. So former Congressman George Santos, he is a free man this morning after President Trump commuted his sentence. You guys remember him, he was the congressman who was indicted or he went to jail for seven years for wire fraud and identity theft after admitting he stole campaign funds and lied to donors for personal gain. And so now after hours after his release, Trump posted on Truth Social saying Santos had been horribly treated in prison and he was ordering his immediate, his immediate release. And now, not only did Trump commute his sentence he also just wiped his slate completely clean, including removing his probation, his fines, his supervised release, and his restitution. I think the restitution part is important because he had been told that he had to pay back $370,000 to his victims. Now, if you remember, he had been convicted of stealing money from a fundraiser for a server, a sick service dog, from a Navy veteran. His supporters, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, they argued that his punishment was too harsh and that his time in solitary confinement was unfair. But records show that Santos had actually requested to be in solitary confinement for his sanity and his safety. And the backlash over his release is being felt on both sides of the aisle, with some Republicans saying the move rewards bad behavior and undermines public trust in leadership.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Did Trump ever say why he decided to pardon Joe Santos?

[Mimi Brown]

Well, he just said that a lot of people asked him to. The only person that has come out and said that they asked him to was Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[DJ Envy]

So, you know, you gotta laugh at the judicial system at this point, right? Anybody who, if you're cool with Trump, you really don't serve much time. You ain't got to pay restitution. You ain't on probation. I heard him this morning, Santos say that. He was like, they were like, well, are you going to pay your victims back? He goes, whatever. The, the, the court makes me do it is what I'm going to do. So anything over that? Nope. I don't even care.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like, nope.

[Mimi Brown]

And he has to do none of that things to, to, to Trump and be. So we will continue to see what happens with that. But he is out of jail this morning and a free man. All right, well, coming up at 7, the growing problem that has ended. Everyone screening their calls will tell you what it is and how to fight back.

[DJ Envy]

All right, everybody else, get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, phone lines are wide open. Again, 800-585-1051 is the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Ray. Ray.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray.

[DJ Envy]

Yo, Charlamagne, Envy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What up?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Are we live?

[DJ Envy]

This is your time to get it off your chest. I got an indoor pool. Pool, outdoor pool. We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. We can get on the phone right now. Here. Tell you what it is. Hello? Who's this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, what's up?

[DJ Envy]

This is Paul. How you guys doing? What's up, Paul?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's up, Paul? I'm calling from the lovely Denver, Colorado.

[DJ Envy]

I wanted to check in and see.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How everybody in New York is doing.

[DJ Envy]

See if any of y' all are still delusional.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's go, Paul. Let's go, Paul. Talk your talk, Paul. You deserve to be able to talk all your talk this morning, Paul. Rubbing in these New York Giants fans faces.

[DJ Envy]

We not. Well done. Now, did you watch the full game or did you wanted to see? Go ahead. No, no. I'll tell you what I thought about shutting that game off because it was looking ugly, I'm not gonna lie. But to see the Broncos come from.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Behind both times, pause and kill it, that was crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Never give up on your team.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Never give up on your team, Paul. Always ride with your team to the end, Paul.

[DJ Envy]

It was disrespectful. Lakicka's gonna miss two point afters two.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, my God. And then at the end, we almost shot ourselves in the foot, too. Having our coach on the field, and then you guys end up getting personal like that. Oh, my God. It was over right there, man. I thought the football guys would, like, take this win, and I was. I was gonna take it. Pause, but nah, damn. Oh, you definitely took it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I hope you all right, man. The Giants are at the bottom of the division, right where they need to be.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you, Paul.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Meanwhile, the Dallas Cowboys got the number one offense in the league. I just want everybody to know that.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, my goodness. Hello? Who's this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Our defense is terrible.

[DJ Envy]

Hello?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hello?

[DJ Envy]

Babe?

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah, we can hear you. What's up?

[DJ Envy]

Get off your chest, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's going on, y'?

[DJ Envy]

All? Good morning. Good morning.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Morning.

[DJ Envy]

Man, did y' all see. Did y' all see the way Sexy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Red threw us back on Chris Brown over the weekend?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, she was throwing it back. I was. Okay, Chris, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm like. I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

Just hot, man. She's got. She's got a man. Miss.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, I'm good. See, I throwing it back on it.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She. She getting to do now what I.

[DJ Envy]

Had did back then.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I, I, I. So she could walk.

[DJ Envy]

I like that. I like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How does your current Chris feel about this, huh? How does your current Chris feel about.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's my past. I already been there, done that. So I didn't get mad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, because you sounded very excited just now, like you was blushing. No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Cause I saw. Cause I was. I was happy. Because I'm happy for Sexy Red. I don't need to be doing that on curse no more.

[DJ Envy]

See what you started, sir?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, hey. She lights up over Chris Brown. Lights up. I mean, it's unbelievable.

[DJ Envy]

Crazy. I got one More thing. What's up, brother? Just. You just. You be tripping me out. Cause sometimes I'll be listening to you and you be saying, ray, like. I'm like. Instead of saying finn, are you saying, I'm Ray? I'm like, I'm ready to go do something. I'm ready to go out. Yeah, I'm ready to go to the store.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, I'm from Louisville, and I thought that was just a Louisville thing, because.

[DJ Envy]

That'S what we say.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Nah, I'm ready. Go, Ray. Leave out.

[DJ Envy]

It be tripping me out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's all I want to tell y'.

[Gucci Mane]

All. Have a good one.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. This is your time to get it off your chest, whether you're mad or blessed. I hate the way that you walk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The way that you talk. I hate the way that you dress. Everything with me is blessed.

[Gucci Mane]

Call up next.

[DJ Envy]

800-585-1051.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not just me.

[DJ Envy]

I'm what the culture feeling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hello? Who's this?

[DJ Envy]

Good morning, Mr. DJ Envy. What's going on, brother? Mr. Show Money, what up? Get it off your chest, brother. Hey, man, listen, Charlie, man, the guy. What's going on?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace, King. What's the word?

[DJ Envy]

That's my. That's my guy right there. Forever Denise. What's going on, sis? What's going on?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Jeff, how you doing?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, man, I'm black. Blessed. I like my man. Highly favorite period. Feeling great. What we gonna do about Stephen A. Cool Head Smith? He need to get out of here. We need to keep his name in the press every single day. He's a coon. He's a sellout. He's a sucker. And I'm. I'm charging y', all, my Breakfast Club family with keeping this guy's name in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The carpet in front of the people.

[DJ Envy]

He need to be donkey of the day from now for the rest of the year. He's disgusting as a human being. He is not a black man. He is a house.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he's definitely. He's definitely a black man. And he does not need.

[DJ Envy]

No, he's a house. Come on, Charlemagne.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But listen, he don't. He don't need our help keeping his name in the news. Stephen A. Smith, every day.

[DJ Envy]

You expose him rough what he is. Every time, even it started before Trump, Every time he has a black athlete.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or black commentator on his show, he's on their ass.

[DJ Envy]

Talking about how they dressing, trying to laugh it off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All them crackers he'd be up there with.

[DJ Envy]

He kikiing, laughing, joking. He is a cold and a sellout, and he need. And it needs to be exposed at every. I mean, my blood boils.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I normally call y' all with joy.

[DJ Envy]

I love y' all so much. But this guy is an absolute.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, the segment is called so you got it off your chest to show Money.

[Gucci Mane]

He sure did.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, what he did.

[DJ Envy]

I think we're talking about even. Damn. I mean, Jasmine Crockett, I think. I guess his words for Jasmine Crockett, maybe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or that's Mr. Show Money's opinion.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, okay.

[DJ Envy]

Hello? Who's this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's Diego.

[DJ Envy]

Diego the truck driver.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's up?

[DJ Envy]

Hey, what's up? Good morning, Jeff. Good morning. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How you doing, King?

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest. I'm all right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm good.

[DJ Envy]

Listen, I want to get off my chest, but I think it's crazy that we paying federal taxes and the federal government shut down. That's insane to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I agree, bro.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Yep, for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got it.

[DJ Envy]

And I got. I got a question for y'.

[Keisha Ko]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What happened?

[DJ Envy]

What would happen if we, the people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like the working class, push to go exam on our W board and just.

[DJ Envy]

Stop paying federal tax?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We'd all end up in jail.

[DJ Envy]

We're all going jail be to jail. All of us is that much room.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Everybody. Everybody.

[DJ Envy]

Yep. I think that would be a safe way to like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think that should be black people reparations. I think they should, you know, allow us not to have to pay federal tax.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely, I agree, but that's all I got.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't want to pay for it. I love y'.

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Love you too, King. Federal taxes for 400 years. I'm with you. Make black people federal. Federally tax exempt for 400 years. Man.

[DJ Envy]

I'm with you. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. Now, we got the latest with Lauren coming up. What are we talking about? Lauren?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, we talking Brandy and Monica. There was an emergency at the Boy's Mind tour. It didn't go on one night. Didn't finish one night. We're gonna get into why. We're gonna talk about what happened.

[DJ Envy]

All right, we'll get to that next. So don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Lauren becoming a straight Thing.

[DJ Envy]

She gets them from somebody that knows somebody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Having the latest on the beach.

[DJ Envy]

The Latest with Lauren LaRosa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sometimes you have facts. Sometimes you have details. Sometimes she have a little bit everything.

[DJ Envy]

Well, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talk to me, LL Cool Bay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Good morning. So Brandy and Monica kicked off the Boy Is Mine tour. It has been 27 years, y'.

[Mimi Brown]

All.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We've been waiting for this. And it finally happened. So they're performing in Chicago over the weekend on one of the opening tour dates, and a emergency happened. So Brandi is on stage. Her sound begins to mess up, and then. And then she actually walks off stage trying to fix it. Let's take a listen to Brandi on stage.

[DJ Envy]

Give me one second, y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I gotta get myself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That sound was horrible.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That was crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was that us or her?

[DJ Envy]

I think a little bit of both.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Stop. Oh, look. So listen, that. That was her issue. So she was saying that there was something wrong with the sound. She go. When she walks off stage during the song, she goes to the side to, like, the audio booth that's normally sitting on the side, and you see her talking with them. She's trying to figure something out. But then she didn't return to the stage at all for the rest of the show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And by the way, she did sound good on her way out. Right? Like, she sounded. She still sounded good on the way out too. But I. I thought so too, But, I mean, according to, you know, how she felt, it wasn't what she needed it to be. So she's on the side of the stage. There's a bunch of fan videos of them recording her going back and forth with the audio engineer, just trying to figure things out. She doesn't return. So then Monica comes out and finishes the rest of the set. Let's take a listen to Monica because they don't get to hear this Night in Chicago. Saturday, the Boy is Mine. Let's take a listen to Monica.

[DJ Envy]

I definitely want to say it's an.

[Kamala Harris]

Honor to share the stage with Brandon Nova.

[DJ Envy]

Now, I'm saying this from the bottom of my heart. It took 27 years to figure out what we were supposed to be.

[Kamala Harris]

And what I'm realizing is we allow.

[DJ Envy]

Too many other people in the midst.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Of what was just supposed to be us.

[DJ Envy]

So in honor of just the way.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I feel you, as I say thank you to each and every one of.

[DJ Envy]

You, I want y' all to make some noise all around this room. Okay, I might be going deaf cuz it's hard for me to hear what they were saying. Yeah yeah yeah.

[Gucci Mane]

So was it, was it the.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So was it the sound or was it dehydration? Cuz Lauren, I saw the next day that it was like some dehydration stuff.

[DJ Envy]

But nobody sounded dehydrated.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So the next day, because fans were trying to figure out what was going on, there were a lot of people upset, but there were a lot of people concerned because Brandi just walked off the stage and didn't finish come back out. So Brandi posted a letter to the fans and she said I sincerely apologize for the abrupt into last night's performance in Chicago. After a few weeks of non stop rehearsals last night I experienced dehydration and feeling of wanting to faint. Everyone involved agreed that prioritizing my well being was the utmost importance. I still made the decision to try and return and give him my at all despite not feeling okay with having to make some adjustments in the show being very technical, unfortunately it was impossible to fully connect sonically with the production. I really appreciate everyone's best effort. I'm deeply grateful to my sister Monica for stepping up with such grace and professionalism and the entire crew for their continued support. The first thing you notice about small water? The pure, crisp taste. Every sip feels like a reset. Whether you're racing through the airport, getting ready for a night out, or just claiming a moment of peace on a couch. Smart Water is vapor distilled with electrolytes added for taste. A smart way to keep hydrated no matter where life takes you. Morning commute, brunch with friends, errand run. It's there for all of it. Pure, crisp and refreshingly simple. And let's be honest, Smart Water is as easy on the eyes as it is on the taste buds. That sleek bottle, it matches that new bag you just got like they were meant to be together. Wherever you're headed, Smart Water fits right in, keeping you refreshed, confident and just a little more well, smart, Smart Water. Purity you taste, hydration you feel. Visit drinksmartwater.com to learn more.

[Mimi Brown]

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[DJ Envy]

Hey, it's Ed Helms and welcome back to snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new SNAFU Every single episode.

[Mimi Brown]

32 lost nuclear weapons you're like, wait, stop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.

[DJ Envy]

Basketball player who still wore knee pads.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

It's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm like, oh wow.

[DJ Envy]

Angela and Jenna, I am sorry. So psyched you're here.

[Kamala Harris]

What was that like for you to.

[Mimi Brown]

Soft launch into the show?

[DJ Envy]

Sorry Jenna, I'll be asking the questions today.

[Mimi Brown]

I forgot whose podcast we were doing.

[DJ Envy]

Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast podcasts. All I know is what I've been told.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Mimi Brown]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[DJ Envy]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Mimi Brown]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[DJ Envy]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Mimi Brown]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff.

[DJ Envy]

That y' all said.

[Keisha Ko]

They literally made me say that I.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Took a match and struck and threw it on her.

[Keisha Ko]

They made me say that I poured.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Gas on her.

[Mimi Brown]

From lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Gucci Mane]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Mimi Brown]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcast.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I went from the arena to see a doctor nearby and I've taken the proper precautions to help me moving forward. Your understanding, patience and unwavering belief in the believe belief mean the world to me. I look forward to returning to the stage stronger and more grateful than ever alongside my girl Monica tonight in Indianapolis.

[Keisha Ko]

So.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And that's what happened. They got back on the stage last night, Sunday night in Indianapolis and were able to get through the show. The crowd was able to hear the boy's mind. But I mean, it sounds like a little bit of both, just to answer your question. Like there were some technical things going on, but she physically wasn't feeling okay. And then you, you still couldn't tell either because she was still bobbing and all that bobbing and weaving and doing a thing. I. And she sounded good. She always sounds great. But if it was dehydration, did you see what they be having on? They do be performing like they outside like in the big ass coats and they be having coats, boots, hats, everything. I'm like, yes. They got to take some of them layers off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you know, they be having air conditions and fans inside a lot of those outfits.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I know. But it's, it's.

[Keisha Ko]

No, I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I made that up. And you talk about, you know what.

[DJ Envy]

I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Black people will be quick to believe. And she was ready to lie with me.

[DJ Envy]

Now in some of those costumes, they do have fans when they had to wear the headpiece, but not, not those type of costumes. But my whole thing is. So you were fine. You were dehydrated on. On Saturday, but then you performed on Sunday. No problem. That's great.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean, I just.

[DJ Envy]

Do I get my money back? Because if to see the boy's mind.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But it wasn't the whole show. She did came.

[DJ Envy]

Shut up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Your hoodie say been a queen.

[DJ Envy]

No, it doesn't. It's been from Queens, man.

[Gucci Mane]

No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Been Queen's motion.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. Been Queens motion. Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

B. It's all right. The boy is still yours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The boy will always be yours.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. And there are other dates. This is the beginning of the tour, so I know it's unfortunate for the fans of Chicago, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But I do like the outfits, though. They just look like they about to come in for Christmas, though, you know, like, they have a lot. They're extra layered.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey. Dropping a cool bomb for Kelly Rowland. Kelly was dressed appropriately. Kelly looked like it was summertime.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

Yep, she did.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She looked like she prepared. She was prepared for it to be hot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is the Godiva chocolate goddess. I do want to see that show.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Kelly in the black hat with the shorts. Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I ain't see no hat, but no.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It wasn't a hat.

[DJ Envy]

She had no hat on. She had boots on.

[Keisha Ko]

No, no, no.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She did have a hat on, but she took it off because she had the short bob under the hat. Yes, you're right. She ate that down.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are they coming to New York?

[Lauren LaRosa]

They got to.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to see Kelly.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Shout out to them on tour, though, because it's rough to be doing all these dates back to back to back. Because they're opening weekends. It was every single day they're opening weekend. So, yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Salute to Monica. Salute to Brandon. I hope they. Well, they got it together, so I'm happy for them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And happy birthday to Snoop Dogg. It's his birthday. And NBA young boy.

[DJ Envy]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We got some more birthdays next hour, too.

[DJ Envy]

All right now, when we come back, we got front page news. And then Gucci Mane will be joining us. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. Is DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get into front page news. So for some quick sports, congratulations to the Dodgers. They advanced to the 2025 World Series after sweeping the Brewers. Now tonight, Mariners take on the Blue Jays. And the winner of that game will be playing the Dodgers. Now some football. The Eagles beat the Vikings. The Patriots beat the Titans. Browns beat the Dolphins. The Chiefs beat the Raiders. The Giants lost to the Broncos. Horrible. Disrespectful. We should be ashamed of ourselves with that game. We're up 19, nothing in the fourth quarter. Come back and lose. We missed two point. Oh, my gosh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why should you? Why should they be ashamed about this game? They 2 and 5 on the season. What about the other 4 games they lost this year at the bottom of the division? They suck.

[DJ Envy]

We do. But not as bad as the jets. The jets lost 13, six. They're 07.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, the jets suck, too. The Jets, Yeah. If this was a suck contest, the jets definitely suck better than the Giants.

[DJ Envy]

They do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn. Way better. Way better.

[DJ Envy]

The Bears beat the Saints The Colts beat the Chargers. Your Cowboys beat the Commanders. The packers beat the Cardinals. The 49ers beat the Falcons. And now tonight in Monday Night Football, the Texans take on the Seahawks and the Buccaneers take on the Lions. What's up, Mimi?

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning, Envy. Josh Charlamagne. How y' all doing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Blessed, black and highly favored. How are you, Mimi?

[Mimi Brown]

Good, thank you. So this morning, we start this hour with a case out of Philadelphia that has been making national headlines. That's where police believe they may have found the body of a young woman who's been missing for more than two weeks. 23 year old Kada Scott was last seen the night of October 4th leaving her family's Germantown home to head to her overnight shift at a nursing home. She never made it home and her car was later found parked outside her job, but there was no trace of her. Now, police say Scott had told families she was being harassed through her phone. And within days, investigators identified 23 year old Keon King of Delaware as a suspect. King surrendered to police last week and was charged with kidnapping. But Scott is still missing. And then on Saturday, police announced a heartbreaking discovery. Human remains were found in a shallow grave behind an abandoned middle school not far from where Scott disappeared. Now, the deputy commissioner, John Stanford, says officers were led to the site after receiving a very specific, specific anonymous tip on Friday night. Now, the remains appear to be about a week old and have been sent to the medical examiner for identification. The community, they have been deeply passionate about this case. Searching daily, organizing on social media, and at times yelling at police to do more. When the remains were found, many gathered at the scene frustrated and emotional, saying officers should have done more, faster and sooner to help locate her. Now, investigators say they are aware of the growing frustration and address the community's concerns. Let's listen to that.

[Gucci Mane]

Listen, I am not offended by the passion that, you know, some of the, you know, remarks that have been made.

[DJ Envy]

As we were walking back, I'm not offended at all because that's people's emotion.

[Gucci Mane]

And this is an emotional situation. And so it's, it's to be understood. However, I know what we have done and the amount of hours that have been put into this process of trying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To locate Ms. Scott.

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah.

[Mimi Brown]

Well, police say the suspect in the case, 23 year old Keon King, could be tied to other killings. And again, police have not officially confirmed the identity of the remains, only that they were found in the same area where Ms. Scott disappeared. And they have been focused on that area for about two weeks. So we Will continue to watch that case.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I hate and despise humans like this Keon King. Like, I really feel like you gotta make examples out of people who do things like this, man. I mean, you know, I don't know what happened to this young lady, the details of it, but clearly she got, you know, killed. And then you just disregard her body like it's nothing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I just don't even understand how people like that operate.

[DJ Envy]

Like, me neither.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How do you do that and then just go get a sandwich out, you know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

Like, how exactly.

[Mimi Brown]

So we will continue to watch that. He's already been found guilty of kidnapping her. And so once the medical examiner does their job and they come back with the results, we will definitely bring those to you guys.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People like that, people like that don't ever deserve peace, man. I hope that, you know, that young lady haunts him for the rest of his life.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Mimi Brown]

So young, too. All right, well, from tragedy in Philadelphia to high drama overseas, a story straight out of a movie unfolding at the Louvre in Paris. Now, French officials, they say a team of four thieves, they pulled off a daring daytime heist at the Louvre museum in Paris on Sunday, stealing royal Jews jewels once worn by the queen of France and other royal officials. Now, investigators say the group arrived with power tools, a crane lift, and a getaway plan straight out of a heist film. So they smash display cases from one of the museum's crown jewel galleries. They threatened guards. They sped off on scooters, dropping some of the stolen jewels along the way, including a crown that police later recovered nearby. Now, the seven minute break in, it happened just as the museum opened at 7:30 in the morning. And officials say the thieves, they use a truck mounted crane to break in through the first floor window. And they believe the group had scoped out the site long before the robbery. Before fleeing, they reportedly tried to set the crane on fire to destroy evidence. Now, the stolen collection, what they got away with includes necklaces, earrings, tiaras once worn by members of the French royal courts, Treasures that officials describe as priceless. No one was hurt, but the museum was evacuated and closed for the rest of the day. And to put this in context, the Louvre is home to the Mona Lisa and some of the world's most valuable art.

[DJ Envy]

I don't understand. I mean, they've tried before. The security should be top notch. Like, there's no way that anybody should be stealing those jewels and some of those pieces, them artifacts that they have in there that doesn't even seem right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, congratulations to those guys, man. That's impressive. That's a whole little miniseries right there.

[Lauren LaRosa]

If I would have continued stealing, I'd.

[DJ Envy]

Have probably been on that level by now. That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They smart for them to get that off in broad daylight. I mean, come on, now. Sometimes you got to let people get away with things just based off the degree of difficulty, you know what I mean?

[DJ Envy]

What do you do with it? Because you can't sell it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who can't?

[DJ Envy]

Who can't sell different parts? Black market sell it, man. Listen, they'll find. Act fast.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They get rich off of that stuff.

[DJ Envy]

Trust me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They smart enough to steal it. They got a plan.

[DJ Envy]

They probably gotta buy already. They probably gotta buy already.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They thought this all the way through, you know, I mean, listen, I don't believe in stealing, but when they do steal, and it's impressive at this level, you gotta give it up for it. Sometimes. You just gotta give a little round of applause, like, wow, that was impressive, guys.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I thought of that, you know, like, damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Mimi Brown]

All right, y'. All. Well, that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mimi's like what Mimi's like.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not tapping for them.

[Mimi Brown]

I mean, it is impressive.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But, you know, we go, it's still wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Definitely wrong. It's definitely wrong.

[Mimi Brown]

So we'll see what happens with that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They.

[Mimi Brown]

They said that there are cameras all over, and so they expect an arrest soon. So we. We shall see, you know, and we'll continue to bring that to you. So that is your front page news. I'm Mimi Brown. Follow me @mimi Brown TV. And for more stories, follow the Black Information Network, Download the free iHeartRadio app or visit bin news.com.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Kamala Harris]

Thank you, Mimi.

[DJ Envy]

All right, now, when we come back, Gucci Mane will be joining him. When we come back, Gucci man will be joining us, him and his wife, Keisha K, y'. All. So don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. Is DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lorna Roosters here as well. We got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, indeed. We got Gucci Man.

[Gucci Mane]

Hi, guys. Welcome.

[DJ Envy]

How y' all feeling? Y' all look amazing.

[Gucci Mane]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

New book out episodes. Yes, man, I. I thoroughly enjoyed your book, Gucci man, because, you know, we give people props when we were younger for being real. A lot of things that we say is real is like when somebody gangster. When somebody, you know, we call them tough. But to me, the most realest Thing you can do is you get older, just be vulnerable, you know? I mean, and go on a journey of healing and share that journey with people. And you definitely did that in this book.

[Gucci Mane]

Thank you. I appreciate that. I always see you talking mental health. I've been listening to y'. All. You always championing mental health. You know what I'm saying? So that's my. I said, make sure y' all get that book to Charlemagne before I come up, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Gucci Mane]

I knew you was gonna read it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. So what got you to the point where you said, this is the time to share the story? Because most people will say, like, you know, I don't want to share that story. It might be embarrassing. It might make me look this way. But you were open and completely open about it. What got you to that point was.

[Gucci Mane]

Like, this is the time I had when I had an episode in, like, 2019 or 2020 around covet. And that was just like. Like, after that, I was like, man, I gotta really just hold myself accountable and take care of my health. I don't never want to have an episode again. I'm like, I'm gonna see a therapist. If I had to take medicine, I just. I kind of, like, through the towel land, like, you know what I need to do to get better. I just didn't never want to have that happen again. And then my wife was pregnant with my little. But I'm like, I don't never want this. I don't want to raise a family. And then my mental health, gone. What if I have an episode I can't come back from? You know what I'm saying? So I just, like, starting to do the work and, like, started seeking the help.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And, Keisha, I'm glad you here, because we always have conversations about the people who have to deal with the individuals with the mental mental health issues. Nope. It feels like nobody ever speaks to y'.

[Keisha Ko]

All. It's tough.

[DJ Envy]

What. What made you not run? Cause you could have ran. You could have been like, I'm out now. This ain't for me. But you. You stood ten toes down and said, I'm. I'm gone.

[Keisha Ko]

I experienced him going through episodes before we were married, and I was like, man, somebody gotta help this guy. It was really, really bad. It's really sad because you're seeing someone you don't know. They're saying things to you that are disrespectful, so mean. And you have to just like, but I'm not talking to Gucci. Who is this person? Right? So I felt like if I left, he wouldn't have been the same. He needed someone to help him. And then when we were supposed to get married, someone said to me, you know, you're gonna have to deal with this through your marriage.

[Mimi Brown]

Right?

[Keisha Ko]

And I'm like, I'm cool with it. I'm gonna fix him. Him, you know?

[Lauren LaRosa]

How heavy was that for you, though? Because the fixing isn't like an overnight thing. No, I saw Gucci. You did Big Facts, and you were talking about how one time you said to him, I should record this so that you can see, because he wouldn't even remember some of the things he was doing, but it would. Like, you'd be like, oh, my God, like, what's happening right now?

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

How heavy was it? In the process of trying to help.

[Keisha Ko]

Him get better, there was one point I had to just go on my knees and pray because it's like, he's like, I don't like you. I mean, the things he would say are really, really bad. And I just have to, like, take a deep breath. Like I said, I'm not talking to you right now. You want to sit here and be crazy alone? I'm not gonna allow you to be crazy alone.

[Kamala Harris]

Yeah.

[Keisha Ko]

So, like, I have to, like, set a plan up. Like, at one point, I called his attorney. I called some bodyguards, and I just planned a whole kidnap. And we kidnapped him and took him to the hospital because we could not get him to the hospital. But he was trying to fight them and everything, but it was six of them. He couldn't handle it. And we threw him in the car. He would try to jump out the car. So we put him in the center of the car, you know, and that was, like, his last episode.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a 5150, right? That's what they call it when you.

[Gucci Mane]

Go to the light. Yeah.

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah. But they. They try to do things where he could sign himself out. And I'm like, he's not signed. Like, I'm stern with them. He's not signing himself out. I'm his wife, and I'm his power of attorney. He ain't going nowhere. Like, I have to be strict. It's kind of like you have to go in mother mode, you know, and. And put your foot down.

[DJ Envy]

Were you ever scared?

[Keisha Ko]

I was never scared. He would hurt me. People were scared for me. But it's a scary moment because I.

[Gucci Mane]

Asked her that, Was she scared? And she was like, I'm not scared of you.

[Keisha Ko]

I tell him all the time during I'm not scared of you. So you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We gonna figure this out.

[Keisha Ko]

Like, I have to get gangster with him because he. And I'm like, all right, we gonna see. Yeah, let's do this.

[Kamala Harris]

You know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In the Ice Cream Fever Dreams chapter, Gooch, you said that the only. You said, when you need help, the only person you can rely on is yourself.

[Gucci Mane]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why did you feel that way in that moment?

[Gucci Mane]

Because that's how I felt. Especially like, you really only person you can do. Like, you got to do the work yourself. You know what I'm saying? If you want to, like, really get better, people can want it for you, but you still got to want it more than they do. You know what I'm saying? You gotta want. You got to do the work. You got to live with it. You know what I'm saying? So that's probably why I said that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The reason I asked this, because you start the book off talking about Big Scar, and, you know, you and Keisha definitely helped Big Scar in that moment when he was having an episode.

[Gucci Mane]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, you did help somebody.

[Gucci Mane]

Nah, I was trying my best to save Scar. I was trying my best to save Scar. And, like, even he was a big inspiration for the book as well. But what was. Like, when I reached out to my. The writer, co writer Kathy, on writing the book, I was telling her about, you know, like, how I helped Scar. And, you know, my wife was talking to me, but she was on, like, I wouldn't even let Scar know that she was telling me the stuff to tell him. It, like, while we writing the book, like, discussing the book and just going over how we're gonna make it, Scott died. So I hit her, like, you know, Scott and passed away. It was all it went for, him being the inspiration. Before I can even finish the book, he passed away. So that was just super deep. And it made me like, I gotta do this. I gotta even be more vulnerable because I'm gonna help people that I don't even know because I was trying to help somebody who was so close to me. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't even. And I didn't succeed.

[DJ Envy]

You know when you break down in the book, that September 13th episode?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And you said, you don't even remember a lot of the things that you said. Did you have to go back and say, you know what? Let me fix some of those situations?

[Gucci Mane]

Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And.

[DJ Envy]

And who did you call first to say, let me fix that? Because we were on air that morning.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And we just remember. It's like, damn, Gucci just going crazy on everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the same tweeting.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

The sad thing about it is, for media, press is like, that's gold at first. Like, oh, this, that. And the other day, when you sit back and look at it, be like, damn. Like, maybe we shouldn't have went that hard and promoted. Because we can see now he was going through episodes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So the first question that in the book about the media's role in that. Yeah.

[Gucci Mane]

But the answer, envy. I was super embarrassed and hurt by the things I said because, like, I wasn't well then, right. So then I got locked up. So a lot of those people who I was saying stuff to, they were like, I ain't never. They never gonna mess with me no more. So even when I got out three years later, I still was like, I apologize to Ross, Drake, Nikki. Like, all them people accepting my apologies, they just don't know. It's like a weight off my shoulders because I had been like. Because I was wrong. Like, Ross ain't did nothing but help me. You know what I'm saying? And I said something about him. Birdman did all this stuff for me. Why would I say something about him? So I felt bad. You know what I'm saying? I felt terribly bad. And it was just eating. It was like. It was super heavy on me. You know what I'm saying? So I apologize to everybody. Everybody that would accept my apology that I apologize. Everybody who would accept my call. I apologize to you. Just thank anybody who I was dissing. I apologize to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you see artists doing that now, do you know exactly what they going through?

[Keisha Ko]

Yes, I do.

[Gucci Mane]

We were like, we. Success going through an episode. I can see it because. Because I'd have been through it, and I'm like, I be feeling sorry for them, you know what I'm saying? But because I see the media, they just go with it. Like this person, like, mad or they being, you know, like, mean or whatever, but they be, like, going through something really mental. It'd be some mental health stuff going on.

[DJ Envy]

Do you reach out to any of those artists?

[Gucci Mane]

I. I'm trying to think, did I reach out? Now I don't do a lot of reaching out because some of them, like, I feel like they wouldn't be accepting of it, you know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

But because, you know, you wouldn't be accepted at the point. At that time.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah, at that point, you can't. You can't really talk to them like that. But like my wife say, I wish I could talk to the people that Know them, to tell them how to help them. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Keisha Ko]

I tried to reach out to Kim when Kanye was going through an episode. It bothered me so much, but I don't know her, and I didn't want to feel like a groupie.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Keisha Ko]

So I tried to send messages to people. I never said succeeded, but this was during their marriage. I'm like, damn, I want to talk.

[Lauren LaRosa]

To her so bad.

[Keisha Ko]

Like, I can help you. But I never was successful.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We talked about that on air the other day because she sat down and called her daddy and talked about what it was like in, like, on the inside. By also trying to protect their public image and the way she thought people would look at her if she decided to leave. For you. What was it like? I mean, because we're talking about Kim. What was it like? Just trying to protect the business that you guys have built while I have a sister.

[Keisha Ko]

I take his apps off his phone. First thing I do, I delete Instagram. I delete everything. Even if I got to change his password, I'm changing it because I don't need the public to know he's having an episode. And now, before the episodes come, I catch it. So that's why he hasn't had another one. And how you catch that is he doesn't speak to you. He wants to be left alone. He don't eat. He does not sleep. Text messages. There's a period after each word, and I'm like, you're going through an episode. You're sick. No, I'm not. Ain't nothing wrong with me. Why do you think that you're not speaking to me? Well, there's nothing to talk about. I said, well, that's not how you speak to your wife. And I'm like, you're sick. And we snap out of it right then.

[Gucci Mane]

Wow.

[DJ Envy]

Wow. Keisha, do you wish you were around when. When. You know, I look at Gucci, and if you really think about all the artists that he has touched and could have signed, he could have been bigger than any label out there. If you go through them, we can go from. From thug to waka to the Migos to. The list goes on and on and on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think, yeah, Walker. Walker was son.

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Do you think if. If I was there, I could have helped him build that empire? Because he could have been really, like.

[Keisha Ko]

An Atlanta Def Chair, A thousand percent, even. Like, we had the. Cut this conversation many years ago. I said, gucci, you just have to accept that you are not well and fix It. Just accept it. I said, people take Tylenol every day. Just take your medication every day. You'll be fine. Just accept that you're sick. Fix it, and you'll be okay. And absolutely. He had so many artists from back in the day, and because of this, you know, he. They resigned with other people or whatever the situation is. And it pisses me off because none of them respects him. I don't. Or give him the credit. Like, Gucci signed me. Gucci's the one that got me out of slum. Gucci's the one that changed my life. None of them talks about that. Not one of them.

[DJ Envy]

Does that bother you? Because it's a. It's a lot of artists that are multi platinum, that are still selling records that you were the first person to give an opportunity to. We can. We can name the list. The list goes on and on.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah, I feel like, you know, I had to hold myself accountable. I got locked up. I messed up the opportunity, you know what I'm saying? But I'm not saying that they don't have to pay me homage. I appreciate it, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, that's part of how I was raised and just who I am. I get fulfillment out of helping artists, you know what I'm saying? I was reaching out to them, trying to help them, because I saw talent in them.

[Keisha Ko]

Them.

[DJ Envy]

And not just Southern artists.

[Gucci Mane]

No, not just Southern artists. DJs, producers, whatever. That's just like, who I am, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm an open door studio. I'm gonna bring people in. I'm gonna work with the up and coming. That's what I like to do. You get what I'm saying? If it didn't work out the way it did because I got locked up, I got to say, hey, I got myself locked up. You know, I messed that up. But since then, I've been doing. I've been doing well since I got out, I've been on a. You know what I'm saying? It's been a whole different. Everything been going good.

[DJ Envy]

I always wondered, did any of those artists reach out when you were locked up and said, let me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You help.

[Gucci Mane]

Help. Let me say this, though.

[DJ Envy]

Keisha said, nope, let me say this.

[Gucci Mane]

It is still kind of like paying it forward, because when I got out, all those artists did come back and do songs with me, you know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

But when you were down, did they help?

[Gucci Mane]

They did.

[Keisha Ko]

They don't acknowledge him. He's He. He doesn't care or feel that way, but from the outside looking in, they should acknowledge him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, I feel like Gucci gets looked at as a hip hop pillar, though. I. I feel like he. Look, I feel like Gucci gets his judge. Dude was an iconic figure in hip hop and all the artists he put on.

[DJ Envy]

No, but it ain't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What would you like to see, Keisha? Like what?

[Keisha Ko]

I would like them, all of them to acknowledge him. Even if they win an award, acknowledge him because he gave you the stomping ground.

[DJ Envy]

Most people don't know Nicki Minaj came out of that camp. French Montana came out. People don't know half those people we know. But most people don't know that Migos, Migos thug.

[Keisha Ko]

Like most people because they don't say it.

[DJ Envy]

I love.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love the chapter Pills and Potion too, because I. You said you feel guilty for making the song Pills because you made a whole generation start getting high on pills. How do you rectify that guilt?

[Gucci Mane]

I can live with it now because it's like, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? But back then, I know that I like, made a lot of people use drugs. I talked about drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs all through my music because that's what I was on back then. And I'm just like, damn. I know I made a whole bunch of. Of people think pills was cool. I know that for a fact, you know what I'm saying? And ain't nothing I'm just super proud of, you know? But what can I do? It's in the past now. And at the same time, it was. I was also a user too, so I was going through it with them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, the interesting thing about that chapter too. You said that your whole team didn't like that song.

[Gucci Mane]

They didn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I'm sure some of them was on pills too. So what was it? Just. They just didn't like the rap.

[Gucci Mane]

When I first, like, when I had like one foot in, one foot out, a lot of my guys who were hustling, we used to think I was like, my crew are hustling. But it's. They just think like pills and stuff. Like that was like jacket stuff. You know what I'm saying? They think like, if you do coat you like a jacket, you take pills, you're a junkie. They only was cool with. With smoking weed, even taking a drinking lane they thought was some jacket stuff, right? So they really. What they said take away from the money. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, if you doing. If you taking pills, you're supposed to be selling the pills. So when I came out with pills, they went with that. They was like, bro, what you making a song about taking pills for? Then the song ended up blowing up. But there was, like, they didn't like this song. Yeah, yeah.

[DJ Envy]

When you did versus, right? What was your mind frame during verses? And Keisha, when he. You knew he was doing verses against somebody that was his arch enemy at the time, right? What was your mind frame? Because you knew at any moment it could have went back.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Did you want him to do it?

[Keisha Ko]

I told him not to.

[Gucci Mane]

And she said.

[Keisha Ko]

I said, you're not doing that. I said, I will pay you a million dollars not to do this.

[Gucci Mane]

She told me that. Swear to God. She's like, I pay you a million dollars not to do the verse. I'm like, I'm gonna do the verse.

[DJ Envy]

So how did. For people that don't know, how did that verses come about? And what was your mind to do the songs that you did in that moment? Because, I mean, I think everybody felt it watching. And people that were there were like, oh, this is gonna end up nasty.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah, well, I'm trying to think. I heard. I seen an interview where Jesus saying, like, if I do A Versus, I want to do it with Gucci, right? So after that, P had hit me, like, bro, you heard Jesus say he wanted to do a verse with you, Would you do it? And I was like, I don't know if I do that. I don't know if I want to do no verse. I ain't really, really there yet. Then he came back like, bro, I think this would be big if you do it. So next thing you know, Swiss and Larry Jackson end up hearing me, and we end up doing. So we're gonna do the verses, right? And my mind frame going into it was like, it's gonna. It was. I was excited about it, like, because all the previous verses were so big. So I'm like, man, it's dope. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be big for me. Everybody gonna be like, my catalog gonna go up. People gonna just so out looking.

[DJ Envy]

I was excited about it, actually.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jeezy said. He. He said here on Breakfast Club he wanted to do it with you, but you turned it down.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, I mean, to be honest.

[Gucci Mane]

With you, like, from what I hear.

[DJ Envy]

He did respectfully decline, which I respect. You know what I'm saying? No. No disrespect.

[Gucci Mane]

And, you know, I guess he Looked.

[DJ Envy]

At it the way I looked at it, just like, yo, bro, like, there.

[Gucci Mane]

Ain'T nobody else they want to see us with. And.

[DJ Envy]

And for once, at least mentally, it can be about the music. And, you know, instead of it just.

[Gucci Mane]

Being me and him and our personal feelings, it's like, now you got the world watching. So, as a man, I wasn't gonna not do it because of what happened, because that's what the platform is for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what that conversation was. That was back in 2020.

[Gucci Mane]

I don't think I turned it down. I don't think. I think I turned down doing verses, period.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But.

[Gucci Mane]

But I was open to do the verses. When they finally, like, broke it down to me, like, okay, just the business about it. This. How you gonna. All this good can come out of it. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Keisha, you didn't want him to do it. Cause you knew he could potentially have an episode or.

[Keisha Ko]

No, I just don't trust it. I don't know. God forbid, Jeezy go say the wrong thing and things pop off. I ain't got time.

[DJ Envy]

Where were you when he was doing it for you?

[Keisha Ko]

I was pregnant at home. No, he didn't want me there.

[DJ Envy]

So you were watching it?

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah, my hands was wet, sweating. I'm nervous. I'm like, lord Jesus, help me.

[DJ Envy]

So when he did that song, what were you thinking? When he did that song, what do you think? Did that sound like, oh, my God.

[Keisha Ko]

I'm just like, this. Like every. Like any normal person, I'm in the bed watching it like everybody else, scared and.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Jeezy, you said you were lucky that. I'm sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Gucci, you said that you were happy that Jeezy took the moment to kind of, like, kind of shift the energy.

[Gucci Mane]

I would say, in hindsight, I'm like. I respect the way he did what he said. You know what I'm saying? And you know what he said made sense. You know what I'm saying? But at that moment, in the moment, like, in the heat of the moment, I wasn't thinking, like, I'm happy he said that. And he. The moment, I was just like, man, what is he talking about? You know what I'm saying? Let's get on to the. To what we're doing. I ain't.

[DJ Envy]

And.

[Gucci Mane]

But when I look back on, I'm like, that was smart. You know what I'm saying? That was smart, and it was deep.

[DJ Envy]

Did y' all speak before y' all did the verses? Personally Oh, y' all did speak before him.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

How was that conversation? Was that the first time y' all spoke throughout the years or.

[Gucci Mane]

Man, it was funny because we seen each other on the airplane, right? He was sitting in my seat.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh God, that's the craziest jock ever.

[Gucci Mane]

I ain't never told the story right. He's sitting in my seat, right? So I'm like, damn, I don't even want to talk to him, but I got to tell this dude, get out my seat.

[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

Hey, it's Ed Helms and welcome back to snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new SNAFU Every every single episode.

[Mimi Brown]

32 lost nuclear weapons.

[Kamala Harris]

You're like, wait, stop.

[Keisha Ko]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s.

[DJ Envy]

Basketball player who still wore knee pads.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

It's going to be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm like, oh, wow.

[DJ Envy]

Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched you're here.

[Kamala Harris]

What was that like for you to.

[Mimi Brown]

Soft launch into the show?

[DJ Envy]

Sorry, Jenna. I'll be asking the questions today.

[Mimi Brown]

I forgot whose podcast we were doing.

[DJ Envy]

Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's, let's, let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All I know is what I've been told and that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Mimi Brown]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[DJ Envy]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Mimi Brown]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[DJ Envy]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Keisha Ko]

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[Keisha Ko]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Gucci Mane]

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[Gucci Mane]

So in like, I'm like, hey man, you and my seat, you got to get out my seat. But he see who it is. He like, well, I'm sitting in the same seat. Can you sit in mine? Like, nah, I can't sit in your seat. You got, you just got to get up. That was the conversation we had.

[DJ Envy]

Probably Damn. If there would have been anybody else, you probably would be like, I got.

[Gucci Mane]

You got to get up. You got to get up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he don't want to get up. Okay.

[Gucci Mane]

Because my pride. Okay. My pride won't let me say that. You and my seat. That I just. Okay, I'm sit over here.

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah.

[Gucci Mane]

Nah, dog, get up.

[Lauren LaRosa]

When was that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

His pride won't allow him to be like, man, Gucci man told me to get up.

[Gucci Mane]

Oh, he got up and moved. Got up and moved.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

That's funny, because I remember 50 and Josh said the first time they seen each other was on a flight. They were both. And it's like, you can't wild out in there because you're going to jail, so you got to be easy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But, no, in your first book, you said y' all had dinner somewhere before. No, we. We.

[Gucci Mane]

We met up at a. A restaurant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Gucci Mane]

Yep. So we had met before, but I'm saying this, since I got out, that was like. We met at that restaurant way, way back. That was like 2010 or something like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What is it like now? Like, have you guys spoken since Versus? And, you know, both of y' all are so evolved at this point.

[Gucci Mane]

I did an interview on Big Fats, and I'm like, it ain't really been no disrespect since then. Everybody everything cool, but, you know, they okay. We okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I saw you say that going to East Atlanta sometimes, like, triggers different episodes for you and. Right, well, you can talk about that. Were you about to say something?

[Gucci Mane]

No, I'm saying it does trigger me going to East Atlanta.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What, in writing this book, what other things from your upbringing did you realize, like, oh, that was one of my triggers, these episodes. And I didn't even know, like, family stuff or just, you know, stuff from, like, young.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah, like, stuff with my mom triggers me. We had, like, a strained relationship. Stuff from my youth triggered me. You know, old friendships, you know, that went sour. There's a lot of stuff can be triggers I get. You know, some songs even trigger me. You know, just from like. Like you said, like, I restrained relationships. Like, even Handsome Icy. I don't like Handsome Ice.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wow.

[Gucci Mane]

You know, it's kind of like a trigger. Stay Scrapped would be a trigger. You know what I'm saying? Hearing that, like, I got 10k on your body, like, that was. I probably couldn't have took that.

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah.

[Gucci Mane]

You know, like, that would have triggered me.

[DJ Envy]

You don't do those songs anymore.

[Gucci Mane]

I don't do them songs.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What triggers you more? East Atlanta or what is It. Burma, Alabama.

[Gucci Mane]

Birmingham.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Birmingham.

[Gucci Mane]

Bessemer, Bessemer, Bessemer. I would say East Atlanta, but I don't wanna. I don't wanna dust my. Kind of depresses me because it's like, when you go down there, it's. It's so like. It's like, damn. You know what I'm saying? It's like, damn. It's a tough place to grow up at. And when I go back there, like, it down there made me cry just looking at the buildings. Because you're from a small town, so you know how, like I'm from a. It's so small and rural and like, you know, it's. There's no money down there. You know what I'm saying? So it just looked. It feel dark. Yeah. Eastern London is just dangerous. It's still dangerous. It's always gonna be dangerous. It just. When I go there, it just made me change. It made me like, I just almost turned to a different person. Like, the corners, the blocks just. I just. Just reliving all the stuff I did on those blocks, you know, the people there. It's just. I try to stay. Stay away from trigger.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you say even reading the book and seeing the effects that, like, systemic racism had on you, like watching the kkk, you know, march, march through your time, is that still a trigger nut?

[Gucci Mane]

It kind of is. It is. It is. I still, like, hold some of that stuff in me, you know what I'm saying? That I seen when I was young from Vessel. That's why I kept my label 1017, because I'm like, I'll never want to forget. Even though I was raised in Atlanta, people always associate me with Atlanta. I never want to forget, you know, the life I live there. And I never want to forget, like, my family then what they. What they going through you.

[DJ Envy]

You said during the Big Facts interview that the police, you feel like they still have it out for you in Atlanta?

[Gucci Mane]

I feel like they did. They did back when I first. Yo, I feel like, like. Cause they used to do stuff like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would be. When I first had got out of jail, I would go places and the police would just run my name, you know what I'm saying? And then I was on probation, so my probation was like, hey, did you go to such and such? Because the police ran your name there. Like, they were just trying to see if I could. They just. They just. It's just too much.

[DJ Envy]

So what do you tell artists, like, your thugs and your little babies that probably Feel the same way as you do. You say it might be time to get out of Atlanta.

[Gucci Mane]

I told the baby that. I've been told the baby, hey, man, he might be too big for the city, Might need to move. You know what I'm saying? I never got a chance to tell Thug that, but I definitely told baby.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That before because he used to be there. The baby used to be there. Just walking around, like, regular, like, in girls grocery stores and everything.

[Gucci Mane]

Because he's so comfortable, though, I got to comfort that. Like, even time I went, if I'm in Atlanta and I have an episode, I. I go straight to my block, because I know that block like the back of my hand. I'm always like. I always go there. It's like them.

[DJ Envy]

The familiar.

[Gucci Mane]

It's like, it's too familiar for me. You know what I'm saying? It's two for me. Sometimes something too familiar for you, you got to get away from that because it's too much comfort there. It ain't no growth in comfort. I need to be well. Like, I'm held accountable. You can get held accountable if I go to east Atlanta. Lean coming, weed coming. All I got to do is just stand on the block.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to ask you, Keisha, how do you. How do you define recovery? Because you've seen him at his worst, and now you're seeing him at his best. So how. How would you define recovery for somebody that is dealing with somebody who's trying to recover from their mental health issues?

[Keisha Ko]

The first thing you need is medication. You cannot. It cannot go unmedicated. And the quicker the better, because once they're medicated, they usually get better in, like, two weeks.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Weeks.

[Keisha Ko]

It's not. It's not overnight. It's literally, like, 14 days for them to be back to normal. So for him, like, let's say he started his medication after an episode. He started his medication today, right? Three days later, he'd be like, oh, my wife, you're so beautiful. I could tell by his words that he's getting better. And then tomorrow, he might say. And I'm like, oh, he's not better yet. Like, I could just tell by his tone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who do you talk to, Keisha? Like, who. Do you have a therapist?

[Keisha Ko]

No, I'm. I'm. I'm the therapist. I'm. He'll tell you. I'm like a real therapist. I know how to speak to him. You have to speak calm. You cannot scream. Sometimes you have to agree with what he's saying. Like, he'll say, give me 500 grand. And I'm like, okay, I don't do it. But I. I say, okay, whatever he asks for, I say, yes, but I don't do it. But you can't go against them. So he'll text somebody and cuss him out, and I'll go back to his phone and I'll say, block him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Him.

[Keisha Ko]

He's having an episode. So I just. I'm just a cleanup lady.

[Gucci Mane]

Listen, I gotta say this. Remember Julie Greenwald used to be the head of Atlanta? I had an episode and said so much bad stuff to Judy. I said that when I came from the episode. I said, listen, Judah, from now on, if I text you anything crazy, block me for. Block me and call my wife. Don't call me for two days and call my wife. Because this episode coming. Because I ain't want to lose my position at the label going through episode. And she was. I'm like, if you just see, like. If you see, like, the Texas getting crazy, just block me. Because I don't want to say, come tell you. I start saying stuff so bad. It's like, you can't come back from Gucci.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We seen it before Gucci. We seen it. But how do you protect your piece, though?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because there has to be times where you feel like the. The walls are just caving in because it's so much and it's so personal for you.

[Keisha Ko]

Honestly, I. During the moment, I'm kind of, like, stressed out. I'm. I'm a prayer warrior. I just pray. And once he starts getting better, honestly, I'm o. And he doesn't stay sick long. Like I said, it takes 14 days to get him back. And after, like, day three, he's already come into his senses. But those deep episodes won't happen ever again. We're in 25. So the last one was five years ago. He had a mild one coming maybe two years ago, and I caught it. So now I catch them before they come. And, like, people be saying stuff about him like, oh, he's soft. He's this he that. The madman is still there. So I try my best. I don't want them to provoke him.

[DJ Envy]

Don't play with him.

[Keisha Ko]

It will come back. And he's very dangerous. So y' all listen, please leave him alone, because the Mad Max is still in the head.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. When I. When I saw young Thug say that, I was just like, man, you know, Thug is just young.

[Keisha Ko]

Yeah. They don't understand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gucci ain't soft. He just. He grown. He's grown he's evolved.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I thought it was hearing you talk about why you called Young Thug so quick when he dropped the Miss My Dogs, because you understood with that apology, like, you were there. I thought that was, like, really. It was really great to hear. What was your conversation like?

[Gucci Mane]

I didn't call them. I just forget. I just. I'm saying I forgive him.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, so y' all didn't actually never talk? Oh, wow. So he found out you forgave him on that interview?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, he has.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He reached out to you since the interview?

[Gucci Mane]

To be honest, he was like. He hit me like, let's. Let's talk, but I ain't really want to talk. But I do forgive him. I just didn't want to talk.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, I. I understand. I'm the same way. I could forgive you. I still, at certain times, I just. Just don't need you here. Nothing wrong with that. Do you mind being the og? And the reason I say that is, is you look at Atlanta, you see everything that Atlanta's going through. Gucci's that one person that could stop it all, I think, because every artist in Atlanta respects you. Do you mind that. That label as the OG that can do that?

[Gucci Mane]

Or you just say, you know, I've been og. I do. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've been in the game 20 years now, so, like, I embrace that. That, you know, I'm not the hot artist trying to drop off, you know, the hottest singer every year and do all that. You know, I want to be the person that they can come to and talk to.

[DJ Envy]

Would you want to do that with everything that's going on in Atlanta?

[Gucci Mane]

I would.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I would.

[Gucci Mane]

I feel like if they would come to me, but they don't want to come. I feel like people don't come to me for advice because it's like, even with my own artists, it's like a lot of them, you know, don't come to me because it's like talking to your dad. I ain't got nothing but positive to say. I'm trying to lead by example. And I'm gonna tell you, like, you shouldn't do this.

[DJ Envy]

You shouldn't.

[Gucci Mane]

So they don't even want to talk to me.

[DJ Envy]

They'd have loved to talk to old Gucci, but no Gucci, they don't want to talk.

[Gucci Mane]

I want to talk to new Gucci, because new Gucci ain't really got nothing going on. He go to sleep at 8:30. Like, ain't on that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What emotional release did writing this book give you that music.

[Gucci Mane]

I'm so. I'm more proud of this book than I'm proud of any album I ever put out. Because, like you said, it's kind of like talking about stuff that I used to be kind of like, had a stigma of, you know what I'm saying? You got me on the health. You crazy. It's like, I used to be embarrassed about some of these situations, and I didn't used to want to talk about it, but now I'm confident in talking about it because I know that I can help somebody else. And it's like, I don't even feel. I don't feel no shame no more.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The conversations that you've been having recently, you know, have. You begin to help people in that space where you're like, yo, I did it.

[Gucci Mane]

Like, everybody. People, I did a book sign in in Atlanta, and a lot of folks are coming up to me saying, hey, you know, thank you for this book. I've been sober eight years. Or, thank you for this book. You know, I got bipolar. Thank you for this book. My. My friend, you know, saying, be going through episodes. Like, I was getting a lot of that, and it felt good to feel that love. You know what I'm saying? It really did.

[DJ Envy]

Are you still surprised about the love? I. I heard you say something. You were in Miami doing a book signing, and you were surprised about how many people came up to me and asked for an autograph for your book. But then I'm thinking about it. I'm like, like, you just did South Carolina Homecoming. That was sold out. You just did this show that was sold out.

[Keisha Ko]

So I tell them that all the time.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Gucci Mane]

Like, it's different when they come up, like, with that book. I don't know why, but it's like the book signing saying, when they're saying, I bought your book. You know, I've been rocking with you since I was in junior high. You know, you got me through college. Like, it just. The energy was, like. It made me feel good. I ain't felt that in a long time. You know, like, touching the people, shaking their hand, taking a selfie with them. It's. It's like when you do that, it's about two, 300 people, and they telling you that you can't do nothing but feel good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But as I said, you're like a mythical figure to a whole generation. You got Sexy Red calling herself the female Gucci Man, South Carolina State. Them kids asked for you. Yeah, Like, I seen the list. I'm like, I said, I don't even know who that is. It was about five. I'm like, I don't even know who these people are, but it's like, oh, Gucci, man. I know Gucci. Like, they wanted you at South Carolina State. How did that make you feel? Knowing a whole generation that feel good?

[Gucci Mane]

That feel good. When I go through this, I've been doing a lot of college. I do Norfolk State on Tuesday. But, like, every time I go to the college in there, like, the kids know all the words. You know what I'm saying? They 19 years old. It's like, bro, you still touching people. 19 years old. They know this song. They singing songs that came out in 2005, 2006. How old we all then. So that feel good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How it make you feel, Keisha, when you see Sexyy Red call herself the female Gucci man?

[Keisha Ko]

I love it. I love when younger artists pay homage to him. Like, I be in the background. Like, when people don't pay homage to him or treat him with respect, I'll be mad. He don't get mad or whatever, But I watch everything online and I analyze it. And if and anybody go against him, I'm going against them, too.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was going to ask, does the book. Because you said, you know, seeing people come up to you with the book is, like, a great feeling for you. Does the book make you feel like a. A superhero versus, like, music didn't. Because we talked about, like, our OG, like, rappers being, like, superhero size, which a lot of people, I feel like they look at you that way.

[Gucci Mane]

I'm super proud of being an author, you know what I'm saying? I read a lot of books. I read. People just don't know that about me, but I read a ton of books, you know what I'm saying? I probably read two, three books a month, you know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Big Malcolm Gladwell fan.

[Gucci Mane]

You are huge, big Malcolm Gladwell fan. You know what I'm saying? He just did a book, friends at the Tipping point that I read that I love, you know? But I'm proud to be an author because I love books.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And.

[Gucci Mane]

And so it's like, it's a different thing than being a rapper, you know what I'm saying? I want to make some more books. I like being a prolific author. I'm trying to have more bush than Charlemagne. We tired by now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, we tired. I got three. Yep, I got three. I want to see Keisha write a book. I really do.

[Gucci Mane]

I do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I'm telling you, man, people who have to deal with Those of us with mental health issues don't tell their stories enough.

[Keisha Ko]

I think it's harder being me than him going through an episode because it's scary. Like. Like, we had a condo. We were on, like, the Penthouse. And I'm like, is he gonna jump? Is the voice gonna tell him to jump? Like, that's the scary part, not me being scared of him hurting me. So, like, during episodes, I make sure no one is around him. With guns, knives, high buildings. But he wouldn't leave that. That's where I had to kidnap him from. He would not leave there. He wouldn't come to the house.

[DJ Envy]

House.

[Keisha Ko]

And I'm like, I had to get, like, a babysitter for him because he hated me. Different episodes, he hate different people. That if you have an episode where he hates me, that's a problem. He hated me. He wouldn't come home. He got the damn balcony. And I'm like, is the voice gonna tell him I can't sleep at night, Right? I have to. What is he doing now? Did he eat today? Like, I have to play games with his friends from Atlanta, who he want to be with, And. And then I'm like, don't give him any weed. Throw it in the garbage. They call me back like, oh, he needs weed. I gave him weed today. I said, no, you didn't. You know, like, stuff like that. It's hard. It's so, so, so, so stressful. Like, you want to cry.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Keisha Ko]

And I cannot read that book. It's too sad. It's too much for me. It's too. I don't read it. I read probably, like, three pages, and I had to quit.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is it much?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about. What about you, Gooch, when you got to relive all of that?

[Gucci Mane]

My autobiography almost made me cry, and this book almost made me cry.

[Keisha Ko]

Not almost made him cry. That book was putting him through an episode that I caught about day one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So revisiting the trauma, it puts him back.

[Keisha Ko]

They do.

[Gucci Mane]

But I can't lie. Especially the bells from Alabama part. It's like, damn, that take me back down.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Gucci Mane]

You know, it's like, then I started thinking about, you know, when I was young, my granddad and my mom, like, damn, we was poor. Now I'm like, I ain't gonna. I don't think about that no more. You know what I'm saying? That was like, I know we were poor, but it ain't like nothing I dwell on when you go back to think about it, like, damn, man, we in the racist ass town. We poor. As hell, you know, stand with my granddaddy, me and my mom, my brothers, like, we ain't have. Yeah, we have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how do you protect yourself while revisiting that trauma and on a press run. Yeah, how do you protect him, Keisha?

[Keisha Ko]

Well, the press run doesn't bother him. It's just like when he was writing the book. Cause he has to keep saying these things over and over and over. And actually, this was my idea. I was like, you need to do a movie called Episodes and let people know what's going on. I said, I can tell you everything you've done through your Episodes. Cuz he doesn't remember. And I was telling him how to make the movie. And that's how.

[Gucci Mane]

That's how we started with the book. Cuz she told me to make a movie.

[Keisha Ko]

As soon as he had the episode, I was like this. People need to see that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We all married to beautiful black women. But I want Gucci. You tell me how important is it to have a good woman, man?

[Gucci Mane]

It's the most important thing you can have. It's the best decision you can make. My best decision ever was to marry her and be with her. Like, I got somebody to, you know, help me, hold me accountable. And I got somebody, you know, watch TV with. Sometimes that's all you want to do. Just sit here and chill, bro. I'm kind of like, I don't. I don't really need a lot.

[Keisha Ko]

We like, we just like best friends. And we just home just chilling and we. Everything we do, we have it in common. We like the same food, the same shows.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We both born.

[DJ Envy]

We like to just go to bed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you could redefine what it means to be real in hip hop culture, what new code would you give that this new generation?

[Gucci Mane]

Oh, man, I let them know, like, they talking about their hood. But the best hood is fatherhood. That's right. You know, that's what I'm most proud of. You know what I'm saying? I love. I love being called dad, you know, I love being a present dad. That's like, I didn't even know that it was. It's so much joy in raising kids that it is. But you know what I'm saying, like, raising the family has changed me. It has changed for the better.

[DJ Envy]

I just want to say the biggest thing that made me so happy is when you see Gucci talk about his kids. I don't know if you see the smile on his.

[Keisha Ko]

Oh my God, he's in love with them.

[DJ Envy]

Oh my God, he starts smiling he starts grinning. He like, I can't wait to get back and get to my. My son's this, like, that is the.

[Keisha Ko]

Biggest, biggest thing I call him right now. He'll leave.

[Gucci Mane]

I love it. I love it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you feel like a generational curse breaker?

[Gucci Mane]

Yes. Yes. I know my little boy. He gonna inherit all this. He got so much. He's so turned up, he'll trust fund, baby.

[DJ Envy]

Ain't nothing wrong with it. Ain't nothing wrong.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know, he said it with a smile.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right, man. Go get episodes right now, man. The Diary of a Recovering Madman. There's some books that are good. This is good. But it's also important, man.

[DJ Envy]

It is important.

[Gucci Mane]

And my album out today, too. Shouting man, that's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Episode. I didn't even get that album. Yeah, I didn't even get to album.

[DJ Envy]

To hear off the album.

[Gucci Mane]

Voices.

[DJ Envy]

Voices. It's Gucci, man. Kisha Ko. Thank you so much for joining us. You used to listen to the Breakfast Club in the morning when you worked out. I don't know if you still do.

[Gucci Mane]

But you got to come back. I listen to y' all every day before I go to the gym. And my favorite part is the positive note of the day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There we go.

[Keisha Ko]

No, Charlemagne, he loves that. He listens to all your positive.

[Gucci Mane]

As soon as I'm going to the gym, we around the gym, we listen to y'. All. But it's like the positive today. Hey, stop. Let me hear what he say.

[DJ Envy]

That's what it is.

[Gucci Mane]

All right.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Damn. The Hee Hawk is. It's time for Donkey of the Day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, trying to be donkey today. No more. They should be embarrassed by what they already did. I'm not making these people do these things called Donkey of the Day.

[DJ Envy]

And it really caught me off guard. Damn, Charlemagne.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Who got the donkey of the day today?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, just hilarious. Donkey of the day for Monday, October 20th goes to a 21 year old Ohio man named Jonathan Morris. Jonathan is locked up right now because he decided to seek vengeance after being fired. Okay, how many people out there have been fired and wanted to seek revenge for said firing? Well, Jonathan Morris lived out your wildest dreams and now his dumb ass is in jail for it. Let's go to Fox 19 now for.

[DJ Envy]

The report, please, breaking this morning at the alert desk. A man is dead after a shooting outside this Taco Bell in Queensgate. This is video from that scene at the restaurant on Guest Street. Cincinnati police say they first got that call around midnight saying someone Shot an employee in the parking lot of that Taco Bell. When officers arrived, they declared the victim.

[Gucci Mane]

Dead at the scene.

[DJ Envy]

We're told police did not make any arrests or find a weapon. Right now they are currently investigating and finding surveillance video from the restaurant. At this hour.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jonathan. Johnny. Jon. Jon. I shouldn't have to tell you that this wasn't the way to handle it. Any of this. Okay? Look, we've all been fired in life. I've been fired seven times total. Four times from radio stations. The others were a clothing store that used to exist in a mall called Demo. I was fired from a warehouse called Industrial Acoustic Company. Then I was fired by my sister from guess where?

[DJ Envy]

Taco Bell. Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My sister was the manager and she fired me. Rightfully so. Okay? I was late. That's not funny. It is funny, but it is not. You know what I'm saying? I was fired, right? Rightfully so. I was late not doing what I was supposed to be doing. It happens. But not once did I think about reacting to any of those firings the way Jonathan Morris did. Okay? I just don't understand the rapid escalation. You fired one day, then allegedly commit murder the next. There had to be some type of serious mental breakdown. He had to have a problem with his manager prior. Because ain't no way. Jonathan, you're 21 years old. I can guarantee you that Taco Bell was not going to be where you peaked in life, okay? It just wasn't. You went to Taco Bell a day after being fired from there to kill the manager. I looked it up, man, okay? Taco Bell in Ohio pays an average of about $13.33 per hour. So you about to spend the rest of your life in a maximum security prison for minimum wage. And the news report said the manager was just trying to help. That's what I read. Okay. I bet you the manager. And rest in peace to the manager, Ryan Johnson, sending, you know, his family healing energy. Ryan Johnson was just trying to help. He probably engaged Jonathan in conversation. He probably was making an effort to resolve something. Probably trying to tell him, like, bruh, this ain't that serious, okay? You got fired from here. You got a whole life to live. But now he's dead because this young man simply couldn't handle his emotions. Another permanent decision made from temporary feelings. Listen, I promise you, youngest man, I know things be feeling like the end of the world when bad things happen. But if there's one thing that I have Learned in my 47 years on this planet, is that trouble don't last always. Okay? This, too shall pass. And, my brother, fast food is not a Fortune 500 company. Fortune 500 companies ain't worth you killing nobody over. But definitely fast food ain't, okay? I promise you that. You could have gotten another fast food job if you wanted one, okay? You may have felt humiliated or wronged in the moment. You might have felt like it was unfair. You may have felt powerless, but McDonald's was right up the street, okay? So was a Chick Fil A. Well, you know, you definitely not nice enough to work in no Chick Fil A, but there's a Carl's Juniors. I don't know if Crystal is in Ohio, but my point is, there was other fast food jobs to be got. Okay? You can get another fast food job, but Ryan Johnson, sadly, can't get another life. Not here in this dimension, anyway. And you, Jonathan, can't get back what you are about to lose, which is a life of freedom. Workplace conduct, plus emotional distress, plus access to firearms can lead to irreversible tragedies like this one. Please give Jonathan Morris the biggest Hee Haw. All that for a Crunch rap supreme?

[DJ Envy]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All that for a cheesy gordita Crunch? Really?

[Lauren LaRosa]

What race? What race? Well, what's his name?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

His name was Jonathan Morris.

[Gucci Mane]

You want to see him?

[DJ Envy]

You know a race?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, we don't know what race. Don't just assume. Okay, Jonathan Morris.

[DJ Envy]

That could be playing a game.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all want to play a game, Play games. I don't want to play a game. Nah. Somebody died.

[DJ Envy]

I do have a question.

[Gucci Mane]

Arsenal. Jess, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What race y' all think he is, though? Because I want to know. I just want to know how racist y' all are.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You go first than me.

[Gucci Mane]

Black.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, Black.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why'd y' all think that? I don't know.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, I don't even.

[DJ Envy]

What race is he?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I can't be too racist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But.

[DJ Envy]

But let me ask you a question. Ask Charlami why he got fired from Taco Bell.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. Why did your sister fire you? You said you was late. But what. Why did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wasn't. I mean, I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be doing.

[DJ Envy]

So you was late all the time?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't remember this.

[DJ Envy]

Don't learn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I only worked there for, like, two weeks. First of all, I. Don't be late here. Stop acting like I'd be late here all the goddamn time. I've been working here for 15 years. My track record is very good, okay? I've worked with people who Were extremely late all the time. All right. Okay. My track record is very, very good.

[DJ Envy]

Okay. All right, all right, all right. Well, now, when we come back, you got a chance to chop it up with former president, former Vice president Kamala Harris.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. You know, Kamala Harris has an amazing book out called 107 Days. If Democrats get out their feelings, I think it can, you know, help them to have some courage to tell the truth about their own party. All right. And I think that can help them, you know, moving into the future. But we were in Birmingham, Alabama on Friday, and we had a couple of conversations. We had a five o' clock conversation and an eight o' clock conversation. Both of them were different. So we gonna get pieces of both of them on for you this morning.

[DJ Envy]

All right, we'll get into that next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Now, over the weekend, Charlemagne chopped it up with the birthday woman.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. So we was in Birmingham, Alabama on Friday. You know, her book is out 107 days. It's been number one on the new York Times bestsellers list for weeks. And so, yeah, we had a couple of conversations. You know, we had a five o' clock conversation, then an eight o' clock conversation. So. So I don't know which one we getting on for you this morning. It might be a combination of both.

[DJ Envy]

It is. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you know, I loved 107 days. And the reason I loved 107 days is because I just love honesty, you know, and it felt like, you know, you got a lot.

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[DJ Envy]

Hey, it's Ed Helms. And welcome back to snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu Every single episode.

[Mimi Brown]

32 lost nuclear weapons.

[Kamala Harris]

You're like, wait, stop.

[Keisha Ko]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid.

[DJ Envy]

70S basketball player who still wore knee pads.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

It's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good. I'm like, oh wow, Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched you're here.

[Kamala Harris]

What was that like for you to.

[Mimi Brown]

Soft launch into the show?

[DJ Envy]

Sorry Jenna, I'll be asking the questions today.

[Mimi Brown]

I forgot whose podcast we were doing.

[DJ Envy]

Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's, let's, let's see how it goes. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All I know is what I've been told and that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Mimi Brown]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[DJ Envy]

I'm telling you. We know Quincy killed her. We know.

[Mimi Brown]

A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[DJ Envy]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Mimi Brown]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I did not know her and I did not kill her her or rape or burn or any of that other.

[DJ Envy]

Stuff that y' all said.

[Keisha Ko]

They literally made me say that I.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Took a match and struck and threw it on her.

[Keisha Ko]

They made me say that I poured.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Gas on her.

[Mimi Brown]

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[DJ Envy]

America, y' all better wake the hell up.

[Gucci Mane]

Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Mimi Brown]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Off of your chest, a lot of things that you've been wanting to say but I guess couldn't say you decided to say in the book. Do you. Do you. We cannot hear you. You don't know what you say. Do you feel like the Democratic Party truly supported your leadership or were they just relieved you could steady the ship after Biden stepped aside?

[Kamala Harris]

That's a big thing to say. The Democratic Party there was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or the Biden administration.

[Kamala Harris]

Well, I write about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, you do.

[Kamala Harris]

I write about how I felt about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People in the answer is no, she don't feel like.

[Kamala Harris]

But here's the thing. If we think about where we are now and moving forward, we've got to have the fight in us. And we have to understand that this is not a time for sitting around complaining about, oh, they're cheating, they're just not fair. They're not playing by the rules.

[Mimi Brown]

We need.

[Kamala Harris]

We need to fight fire with fire.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There we go.

[Kamala Harris]

We need to fight fire with fire. So when I look at where the Democratic Party is today, that's what I applaud. Those who are understanding that this is not a time to try and be the ones who are holding up the standard when they are stealing our lunch. We will not compromise our values or principles. These things can coexist where we have our principles and our values, but we know how to roll up our sleeves and throw a punch instead of just taking a punch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, another thing I want to talk about. Like, we've all seen the clips of people interrupting you at these book events, right? Please, nobody do that tonight, all right? And it always makes me wonder if they've read the book, like the people who are in support of Palestine, have they actually read the book. Because in the book you call Biden's comments on Gaza inadequate and forced. What word would you use to describe the administration's role in that moment?

[Kamala Harris]

I firmly believe we could have done more. We had a certain level of leverage that we did not exercise, whether it was about what we did in terms of supplying support, at what level about speaking publicly about what we knew to be wrong. I think we could have done more and should have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you ever feel complicit in decisions?

[Gucci Mane]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you ever feel complicit in decisions that went against your conscience?

[Kamala Harris]

I. The people in the administration were very clear about how I felt.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You wrote that Netanyahu wanted Trump in the seat across from him, not you, not Joe. So what do you think that says about how foreign leaders really view Trump? You know, the current administration and the Biden administration?

[Kamala Harris]

I think, and I, again, for the sake of repetition, I predicted it. And it's exactly what we're saying. I said on the debate stage, they 1 are laughing at us. If you look at it in the context of, again, disgraceful speech that the President gave before the United nations, he did it when he was president the first time, and again was disgraceful. You look at it in terms of the whole flattery or favor. He accepted a plane, the President of the United States, from a foreign government. Remember, we all learned back in the day what is a Trojan horse. Some people might call it a jet plane. I'd call it a Trojan horse. And let me tell you something. I spent four years flying around the world on Air Force Two and taking very important, highly classified meetings with the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State generals and others in an environment on that plane that was highly protected for those classified conversations. Because you can only imagine how much foreign governments want to have access to our classified information which we possess in the best interest of our national security. And this, this man wants a big plane so bad, because, you know, his plane is not that big, that Trump.

[Keisha Ko]

Plane.

[Kamala Harris]

And he wants it so he can have it when he's out of office. They talk about giving it to the library. You know, who's going to be flying around on that plane.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Kamala Harris]

And this is on top of. Remember, early on, they were using Signal Charlemagne to plan out war plans. We would get ourselves out of bed in the middle of the night, all of us, wherever we were, to go to what is called a scif, which is a secure facility, or go to the Situation Room to have those conversations. These people are so lazy that they're sitting back texting each other about war plans and then so dumb to not know a reporter is in the tax chain with our national security interest at stake. And if it weren't so incredibly harmful, it would be the thing of a great comedy sketch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, it will be in the future.

[Keisha Ko]

But.

[Kamala Harris]

And this is the thing about having people who don't fully appreciate the strength and power and therefore solemn responsibility that comes with these positions, that it is not about them. It is about you. It is about us. It is about we, the people. And that is what is so true. Tragic. Put aside personalities, put aside egos, or lack thereof. The matters that we are discussing are of such a grave and important nature that to have people who do not.

[Mimi Brown]

Understand.

[Kamala Harris]

That they possess the power in the public trust and to instead be convinced of their personal entitlement is so incredibly dangerous to who we are as a country. Well, let's save each other. We're here to save each other.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are you going to take time to enjoy yourself on your upcoming birthday?

[Kamala Harris]

Oh, yeah. You know, right about next week.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Kamala Harris]

If my birthday's coming up.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Doug knows that this time, Right. Because I know in the book he kind of forgot, like.

[Kamala Harris]

Yeah. So I tell a story about. I love my husband so much. I love my husband so much. I love my Dougie so much. But, yeah, that was not a good birthday last year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got triggered just now just thinking about it.

[Kamala Harris]

Okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What happened was.

[Kamala Harris]

So what had happened was this. So my birthday is October 20th. So we were, as you can imagine, knee. Knee deep in the campaign. And Doug and I, Doug, my husband and I, we had basically, you know, like, so many of our family members, we had, you know, split up to get everybody being somewhere that we needed to be. And our teams had conspired so lovingly that he and I would end up in the same place the night of my birthday. Yeah. So you're going to ask me, did Doug plan a dinner?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I read the book. I know he didn't.

[Kamala Harris]

He didn't. So then it came time for the birthday gift. I opened the gift. The gift was a necklace that was engraved. It was not October 20th. It was the date of our anniversary.

[Mimi Brown]

Because Doug had clearly thought he was.

[Kamala Harris]

Going to get a twofer with that one gift.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I need you to do better this year, Doug. Okay, boy.

[Keisha Ko]

Thank him.

[Kamala Harris]

And he was so. And it was leading up to the World Series. And so we had dinner, which I selected, and we had a little cupcake, and I blew out the candle, and I was done. And so I went to Go take a bath. Because actually, during the campaign, and I highly suggest it for anybody who has a bathtub, that it is a really wonderful way to de stress at the end of the day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

With Epsom salt?

[Kamala Harris]

Yes, with Epsom salt.

[Keisha Ko]

With Epsom.

[Kamala Harris]

Epsom salt.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right.

[Kamala Harris]

So I went to go take a bath. Doug was watching the baseball game. And then I realized in this hotel, and they had. It was a nice little suite they got us for that night. And the towels were on the other side of the bathroom. So, of course, I'm vice president running for President of the United States. So I had my phone next to the bathtub, and. But first I just called out to my husband, Dougie, nothing. Then I went to Doug, calling him out, doug, nothing. And then it's real serious when I go, douglas. So I picked up the phone to call him. He didn't answer. So we're gonna FaceTime audio him. Here's how he answered. What's up? And that was it.

[Gucci Mane]

And.

[Kamala Harris]

So we got into it a.

[Gucci Mane]

Little bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Rightfully so.

[Kamala Harris]

But here's the thing about my husband and about that moment. We all, in our relationships, in whatever form you have, go through stressful moments and go through, you know, what life brings. There are joy, and there is also stress. And my husband said to me at that moment, he looked at me and he just poured cold water on the heat of that moment, and he looked at me, and he said, we cannot turn on each other. And it was so poignant. And, you know, I tell a few stories like that about just what this was, because Charlamagne, in many ways, I just. I wanted to write this book to also just lift the hood on what happens behind the scenes in every way. I think there's so much about. I mean, obviously, the office of president, it affects the entire globe, but there's so much about the process that's very opaque, that people, unless you've been personally involved at a very close level, you don't really have a sense of. And I wanted to help people have a sense of it in a way that I hope helps people see where they could fit in or be involved or a part of it and feel a sense of understanding what it all involves so that we can all participate in an active way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, in the book, you write about democracy being fragile, and we see that happening right now. Do you still believe the system can fix itself from the inside?

[Kamala Harris]

No, not necessarily.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Kamala Harris]

It pains me to say that when I decided to become a prosecutor, I had to defend that decision with my family. They were not down with that decision, so many of them. And I said, look, why is it that we are always thinking that for systems that need change or reform that we have to be on the outside, on bended knee or trying to break down the door to get that improvement done? I said, shouldn't we also think about being on the inside of the system as a way to have an impact? And I have believed that and I've seen the benefit of that my entire career. But to be very candid, I perhaps naively thought the system would be stronger in this moment than it's been. And I think that without any question, the destruction caused by this administration in this moment and the debris that will be left is going to require some serious work. And it will need to be without nostalgia about how things were, knowing that there was a lot that was not working so well and there was a lot that was working well, to be sure. And the people inside these career, people who have been and they're doing incredible God's work must be applauded always. But the structure and the way we have designed some of these systems has turned out to be quite flawed. So the change that we want and the improvement that we're going to need, some of it will be from inside the system. But I think a lot of it is going to be because of the pressure that the people put to say this is how I want my government to work for me. I think that's. And I think perhaps in this moment of crisis it is going to. One of the maybe opportunities in this moment of severe crisis is that when we have to then start figuring out how we're going to deal with the debris and the cleanup, that it gives us an opportunity to reimagine some of these systems to make them more effective and responsive to the needs of, of the people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, if 107 days was your closure for one chapter, what's the new one you're ready to open? Are you going to be part of that cleanup? Are you going to be out there in the future?

[Kamala Harris]

You know, it is my nature to serve. I'm not going to stop serving and but right now my focus is on winning. And so I'm going to be doing work on behalf of folks in the midterms. There are two important governor's races happen happening in the country right now which we should focus on in New Jersey and Virginia. There's the local work that's happening and that's going to be my focus. We have to win on everything. And it's about not only elections, but around this war on disinformation and also just lifting up the ability of us as Americans to trust each other. There's a lot of work to be done, and I'm. I'm in it, and I'm here for the fight.

[DJ Envy]

All right, that was Charlemagne's conversation with former Vice President Kamala Harris. Now, when we come back, we got the latest with Lawrence. So don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Happy, happy, happy Monday. Happy to be alive, man. God is good. Minus all the BS in life. Life is great. God is good. No, God is great. Life is good. God is great. God is like, everything's great. It really is, though.

[DJ Envy]

It is.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Of course it is.

[DJ Envy]

And let's get to the ladies with Lauren.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Lauren becoming a straight face.

[DJ Envy]

She gets them from somebody that knows somebody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She'd be having the latest on this.

[DJ Envy]

The Latest with Lauren LaRosa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sometimes you have facts, sometimes you have details. Sometimes she have a little bit of everything.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh.

[DJ Envy]

It's the latest on the Breakfast Club.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right, so Stephen A. Smith is talking more about LeBron James. He sat down with the guys over at the pivot and he talked about LeBron James, and he says LeBron James doesn't go at white people the same way he does black analysts. Let's take a listen.

[DJ Envy]

You ever see LeBron go to White boy?

[Gucci Mane]

It's called what it is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That first line is going white boy.

[DJ Envy]

All right, play it again. I'm sorry. You ever see LeBron go to White boy?

[Gucci Mane]

It's called what it is.

[DJ Envy]

You see, you saw him come at me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Closest you ever came to seeing him.

[DJ Envy]

Do something like that was when he called out Brian Windhorse. What you calling out Brian Windhorse for? The man covered you since junior high school and has praised you repeatedly. And you used the Pat McAfee situation to go at him. And that's the only time you ever seen LeBron James, you know, really go at somebody white. I'mma call it what it is. When I did my monologue for 17 and a half, 18 minutes the day after he decided to go on Pat McAfee show, immediately after I was informed that we won't be hearing more from him about me, that's what I thought, because I got receipts. I pride myself on being a fair minded individual, being professional, but I'm also.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A proud black man.

[DJ Envy]

And I know not only what I've done, what I've tried to do for black men in our industry. I might have to call you out sometimes, but you know why I'm calling you out? Because there's a whole bunch of other.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Black people I got to look out.

[DJ Envy]

For, and they can't make the same errors you just made, because if they did, it would ruin their life. I need to use you as that example, because I got a bigger vision.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, he had some words.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's, that's, that's an interesting take, but what I, what I would say, you know, bigger than going at, I guess, a white sports pundits. Like, we've seen LeBron James be a voice for social justice, you know, in a, In a racially divided country. Like, we've seen him do that a lot. We've seen him position himself, you know, throughout his, throughout his career as a leader on those type of issues. And, you know, somebody of his stature don't have to speak out against a lot of the things that LeBron has spoken out against. So, I mean, you know, saying he went up. He never went at a white sports pundit. I don't know if that's even true or not. But I've seen him stand up against white supremacy.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, but I think it's. I think it's a different line. Yeah, we see LeBron stand up for a lot of social rights, but.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But a lot.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, a lot of people do feel like when it comes to. Not. I said ish.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now you said. I thought. You know, you said it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now he said, I thought you said it, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said it. You said it. I need you to shut police. But no, I mean, no, LeBron has used his platform to speak on political and social issues. He's done things like, you know, mobilize black voters. He's fought against voter suppression. He did that in response to, you know, to the death of George Floyd. I've, like, I've seen LeBron James stand up. He said, speak on issues, especially in regards to race, that he doesn't have to at his level. Yeah, but I, I like that more than going at, you know, a white sport.

[DJ Envy]

But I guess he's saying, if you're gonna go at me, go at everybody the same. I guess that's, That's Stephen A. Smith's point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just saying both. They're not created equal. I don't think. I don't. I don't know if he's ever got. Brian Winhorse is the example that I would use, because that's the latest one, and that's in my mind, I don't know. Historically, I'm sure he's probably clapped that Skip Bayless. I don't know. I really do not know. But I'm just saying standing up for social justice issues and standing up for your race in regards and stuff like that is bigger than me. And it's a lot more to lose doing that than it is going at a sports anchor. That's all I'm saying. So I don't know what Stephen A. Was trying to get at with that.

[Gucci Mane]

Gotcha.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That confidence was the shut up and dribble. I mean, he didn't like, go at her, but the whole, remember the whole shut up and dribble thing, too. Like, I'm sure he. He has some things to say about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's why the lady. The lady told him that because of the stands he takes for his.

[Gucci Mane]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What he was on race issues and social justice issues.

[DJ Envy]

It was a George Floyd. That was a George Floyd time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't remember what that was for. I just remember that's why they told him to shut up and dribble.

[DJ Envy]

That's why.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, else, elsewhere in the interview, Stephen A. Does say that to envy. To your point that, you know, he. There was a lot of times where he didn't speak on Bronnie and LeBron. He actually, like, clapped for them because he felt like LeBron was getting what he deserved because he does so much for the league. But I think he feels like, you took your time to come for me and everybody else, but, I mean, it's Stephen A. Smith, too. So if you gonna come for somebody, you want to go where the Voice is like, everybody listens to Stephen A. So I kind of understand that as well. But he also talked about the Serena Williams, Alexis Ohanian moment as well. He says if he was in the studio, it would have went down different. Let's take a listen to that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's go to that.

[DJ Envy]

Alexis Ohanian, Serena Williams husband. It would have been an entirely different situation if I were in studio. Don't think for one second that I'm gonna let some petty spat get in the way of my money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All I was saying was, as men.

[DJ Envy]

If I'm married and my wife got the energy and the fervor to show up on Super Bowl Sunday and go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Out on stage specifically to dance off.

[DJ Envy]

Of a song that's disrespecting her ex, my question would be, what's that energy about?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I was saying.

[DJ Envy]

I was speaking generically. He clearly took it differently and to his face.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I would have said to him what I just said to y'. All.

[DJ Envy]

And I would say, but that you took it differently. I own that. And I'd apologize to you because I meant no disrespect.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

But I wasn't gonna make a big deal of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But if I was face to face and he had come at me that way, I would have simply said, sir.

[DJ Envy]

I didn't mean it that way, but do you really want me to take it there?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now you gotta go back, Alexis.

[DJ Envy]

Now you gotta go back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gotta go back, Alexis. You got to go back. Because I want to see.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Let this die.

[DJ Envy]

No, we don't want to see.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm saying it's even working on.

[DJ Envy]

Don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to see.

[DJ Envy]

You don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who don't want to see? I want to see.

[DJ Envy]

He's not. He didn't even have the full energy through.

[Gucci Mane]

Through YouTube.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who not going to have the same energy?

[DJ Envy]

Alexis. What's his name? Alex. What's his name?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't think. Alexis.

[DJ Envy]

Alexis. No, he's not going to have the same energy. Well, it ain't all Alexis.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now the ball is in. Stephen A is caught. Stephen A is the one that got to keep the same energy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It ain't given the fact that whether Alex going to have the energy or not.

[DJ Envy]

Alex.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, oh, my bad. His friends call him Alexis.

[DJ Envy]

Like Alexis.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right? Exactly. It's not even a fact whether he gonna have the energy or not. It's the fact that will he have the same energy to y'?

[Gucci Mane]

All?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is his energy going to be good enough for y'?

[Keisha Ko]

All?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because it wasn't good enough for y' all when he came up there and.

[DJ Envy]

Said something to him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's not true. Alexis would have said exactly what he said to Stephen. Eight to face to face. I'm giving him 10 out of 10.

[DJ Envy]

For that is not what he said.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is this that he didn't say it to his face.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought I made that perfectly clear. That's exactly what I said.

[DJ Envy]

I thought he should have been more direct. All up.

[Gucci Mane]

One of y' all said.

[DJ Envy]

Took me a second.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I didn't like the zoom.

[DJ Envy]

Talking about, you know, relationship in marriages. I learned how to make billion dollar companies. I was kind of confused at first. Now that was a flex.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

For me. For me, it's just about the face to face interaction.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But now the ball is in Stephen Ace. Okay. Because I need to see which house react face to face.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Gotta stop.

[Kamala Harris]

I just need to see it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just need to see it. All right. But I do want. I want to say one last thing. The reason I always give LeBron James props for what he does in social justice and standing up for racial issues is because of the fact that people like Jordan, Michael Jordan were always criticized for not doing that, you know, because he didn't want to lose endorsements or didn't want to lose fans. LeBron don't seem to care about that. He'll never seem to care. Care about that. So I respect that more than just, you know, going at a white sports anchor.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, Stephen, they were saying M is the latest with Laura.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. You had another one?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. Good. Jlo, you're talking about back and forth. She didn't got her ex's mad. She said she ain't been locked.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Which one?

[DJ Envy]

But we gotta go.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is, this is the one that was with her right before she did Selena.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And this is the one that used to claim that because Diddy came around, their relationship, their marriage, Marriage ended.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I would like the record to show that I never heard of this man.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, that is the latest, guys.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, Johnny, thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When I think of JLo X's, he's never. I don't even know who this is.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It was only married for 11 months.

[DJ Envy]

She was married for a hot time. He only comes out.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He had a lot to say. Like it was 11 years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, so he liked Chris Humphries. And Chris Humphries was way more popping than him.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, my goodness. All right, now when we come back, we got the People's Choice mix. Happy Birthday, Snoop Dogg. We're gonna play some Snoop in the mix and of course some Gucci, cuz he was here earlier. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning everybody. Is DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Salute to Gucci Mane for joining us this morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man. Salute to Gucci. I'm not even joking when I say this. His new book, Episodes Diary of a Recovering Madman, is a very, very important book because there's not too many people, especially artists, who are willing to admit, admit that they were clinically diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia. They had super drug addiction. He was on Lean, he was on pills, Percocet, all of that, stuff like that. And a lot of the irrational behavior we saw from them, the Twitter rants and the going at people, it was because of that, man. You know how, how great the world would be if so many other people would admit that for sure.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And the fact that he had a wife there to Help him every step of the way. She never left him alone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So salute to Keisha. She KE is really the. The. The. The hero in all of this because Gucci don't really have anybody else that close to him. If you get the book, he'll explain to you why he don't really have a relationship with his mom. God bless the day, cuz. His mom's no longer here. But I'm telling you, it's a really, really good read, man.

[Kamala Harris]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. She's the glue that held it all together, so absolutely KR love that. All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why would you want anything other than a black woman? No disrespect to, you know, anybody who has something else other than a black woman. You know what I'm saying? I'm all for love. Love is love. Love who you want to love. But why? I just want to know why you would want. Yeah, you know, that's all.

[Keisha Ko]

That's all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just want to know why you. Why? Why? Especially as a black man. You know what I'm saying? And I believe that. You know what? Whatever. I don't even feel like explaining it. I just. I like black love. And watching Gucci and Keisha seeing stunning. And Mona. Mona Leo.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, thinking of me and my wife.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, and you got a black woman. Even though he's Dominican.

[DJ Envy]

And then I, oh, my gosh, I'm black. But yes, I'm black.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute to Chris. Salute to Chris for having a black woman, huh?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute to Chris for having a black woman.

[DJ Envy]

Hey, yo, listen. Now, Gucci said he listens to the positive note every morning. So what you got this morning?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Actually, the positive note comes from Gucci, man. Cuz Gucci said something in his book, book in regards to getting help. And he said, you know, the only person that can help you is yourself when you need it. And I do believe that is absolutely the first step. And this positive note comes from C. Joy Bell. C. She once said, the only person who can pull me down is myself. And I'm not going to let myself pull me down anymore. You heard what I just said. The only person who can pull me down is myself. And I'm not going to let myself pull me down anymore. Have a great day. Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nice.

[DJ Envy]

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[Gucci Mane]

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[DJ Envy]

The part where he steals from the.

[Gucci Mane]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Gucci Mane]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Keisha Ko]

What?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, it's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of fabulous guests. Paul Scheer, Angela and Jenna, Nick Kroll, Jordan Klepper. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over.

[Keisha Ko]

But one of them will end up dead.

[DJ Envy]

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[Kamala Harris]

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[Gucci Mane]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Gucci Mane]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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