FULL SHOW: Wendy Williams’ New Test Rules Out Dementia, Kirk Franklin Opens Up About His Son & Sexuality + Kardea Brown Interview

Summary

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The Breakfast Club – November 12, 2025

Episode: "Wendy Williams’ New Test Rules Out Dementia, Kirk Franklin Opens Up About His Son & Sexuality + Kardea Brown Interview"

Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Special Guests: Lauren LaRosa, Mimi Brown (News), Cartier Brown

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of The Breakfast Club features a mix of news highlights, candid listener interactions, a deep dive into Wendy Williams' health updates, a frank discussion about Kirk Franklin, and an engaging interview with chef and Food Network host Cartier (Kardea) Brown. The hosts bring their signature energy and banter, offering comedic takes on serious current events and cultural topics.

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Key Segments & Discussions

1. Government Shutdown & Federal Workers

[06:28 – 15:50]

• Mimi Brown updates on the U.S. government shutdown, House votes, and SNAP benefits.
• Highlights the tension over the Affordable Care Act and proposed Republican restrictions on abortion funding.
• Caller Brianna, a federal essential worker, passionately explains how federal employees were used as "political pawns" during the 41-day shutdown, raising emotional points about the lack of support for government workers:
  • "Our livelihoods have been sacrificed for other Americans, and we're not getting... nobody's speaking up for us." (13:40)
  • Charlamagne: “Imagine watching a federal worker who ain't never been on Snap… have to come to the food bank to get groceries because they can't afford to get food. That's the type of stuff I'm seeing.” (15:16)

Support and Resources:

• Listeners were encouraged to donate to local food banks (11:14).
• Multiple callers chimed in to express relief as the shutdown neared its end and to highlight ongoing community food bank efforts.

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2. Front Page News: Airlines, Housing, 50-Year Mortgages

[34:20 – 41:32]

• Mimi Brown covers lingering travel chaos post-shutdown, air traffic controller shortages, and the huge economic toll.
• Discussion about the Trump Administration floating 50-year mortgages to make homeownership more accessible, but at higher long-term interest costs.
  • Charlamagne: "Donald Trump and his administration have no idea that people are broke." (39:23)
  • DJ Envy describes the pros and cons, acknowledging many buyers just want affordability and equity, even if it means higher interest.

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3. Wendy Williams: Health & Conservatorship Battle

[22:22 – 34:09]

• Lauren LaRosa breaks down conflicting reports about Wendy Williams' mental health:
  • New, independent neurological tests reportedly rule out dementia, conflicting with prior test results used in her conservatorship case.
  • Legal team plans to submit new results to the judge; may request a jury trial if conservatorship isn’t modified.
  • Charlamagne emphasizes Wendy’s need for trusted guardianship: “Any freedom that Wendy has now, it's because of Gina Lisa... That’s why when you saw things slow down... she went back to ground zero.” (32:06)
  • Lauren: "This is going to be a battle of the doctors which will put Wendy in a really bad place." (29:38)
• The team discusses her sporadic public appearances and financial complications.

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4. Special Interview: Cartier (Kardea) Brown

[41:58 – 70:49]

a) Background and Rise

• Cartier shares her journey: from social worker to Food Network star, with no formal culinary training.
  • “My grandmother and my mother are excellent cooks… I do not have any professional background experience. I did not go to culinary school. It was just something I always loved to do.” (44:02)
  • “Food Network kind of gave in… It took about four or five years… I had a few nos, but I didn't take it as no, it's not for you. I heard it as, no, not right now.” (47:17)
  • First Black woman to win two Emmys for Outstanding Culinary Instruction Series and Host.

b) Low Country & Gullah Heritage

• Calls her food a "love letter to the low country," with dishes like shrimp & grits and red rice.
  • “Every time you come to Charleston, you have to have Charleston shrimp. It’s like none other. There is nothing like low country seafood.” (52:17)
• Discusses the importance of representation, especially for Black women in food media:
  • “We are the fabric of American cuisine... so why isn’t there more representation across the board with our food?” (58:05)

c) Real Talk & Memorable Quotes

• On criticism at home: “He (husband) will call somebody's cake dry in a heartbeat... I made a red velvet cake and he said, it’s a little dry.” (55:19)
• On her upbringing: “If you want to act grown, be grown.” (63:52)
• On God and perseverance: “God will bring you out the darkest situation.” (65:17)
• On comparison: “[Social media makes it easy to] Compare your journey to someone else’s... I’m tired of that. The older you get, the more those [simple joys] matter to you.” (67:31)

d) What’s Next

• Hosting Food Network shows (“Kids Baking Championship”), cookbook just released (“Make Do With What You Have”), and continuing to elevate Gullah cuisine nationwide.

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5. Kirk Franklin, Son, Sexuality & Community Commentary

[71:18 – 79:30]

• Recap of Kirk Franklin on Carlos King’s podcast clarifying that his struggles with his son are about mental health—not his son's sexuality.
• Opens up about his own sexuality being questioned:
  • Kirk Franklin: “Almost most of my life, I've had my sexuality questioned. My sexuality for me was never a space where it was anything but heterosexual...” (74:28)
• The hosts and callers debate why people care so much about others’ sexuality, mixing humor and candor:
  • Charlamagne: “I can’t wait until y’ all stop caring where people want to put their penis. Who gives a damn?” (75:11)

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6. Cultural Conversation: "Why Do People Care If a Man Is Gay?"

[85:35 – 101:00+]

• A mix of jokes, listener calls, and honest conversation, probing why men’s (and sometimes women’s) sexual orientations draw so much focus.
• Humorous but pointed exchanges:
  • Charlamagne: “For all of you men that keep wanting to know… I’m just gonna assume you want that man, man. You want to know if that man is gay for your own personal benefit.” (101:00)
  • Angela Yee asks about women's right to know a man's past; the group debates honesty vs. privacy.

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7. Lighter Notes & Entertainment News

[103:28 – 109:41]

• Terrence J marries Mikayla Sultan in Dubai, Anthony Anderson officiates (104:14).
• Netflix orders a Different World sequel series.
• Kevin Gates sparks discussion about men’s preference for younger women; the team claps back, defending the maturity, beauty, and worth of older women.
  • Charlamagne: “Sexiness comes with age.” (109:23)
  • Angela Yee: “Y’ all done ran through half the country. Y’ all are old and washed up too... what you talking about?” (108:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Federal Workers:
  “What just happened to us for the last 41 days is wrong... this is our peak season, so we've been busting out overtime for $0.” — Brianna, federal essential worker [13:35]

• On Wendy Williams’ Legal Battle:
  “This is going to be a battle of the doctors which will put Wendy in a really bad place.” — Lauren LaRosa [29:38]

• On Cooking & Culture:
  “My cooking is a love letter to the low country, where we from.” — Cartier Brown [52:05]

• On Social Media & Self-Comparison:
  “Social media makes it really easy to get caught up with comparing your journey to someone else's. And I caught myself saying that, okay, if this book doesn't get New York Times bestseller, but why did their books… and I’m tired. At the end of the day, what my peace is, is my slow mornings, being with my husband, having freedom…” — Cartier Brown [67:26]

• On Sexuality & Privacy:
  "Who cares where another man is putting his penis? It's 2025. Stop giving a damn about that." — Charlamagne tha God [101:00]

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• Government Shutdown & Federal Workers: [06:28 – 15:50]
• Wendy Williams Health Update: [22:22 – 34:09]
• Front Page News (Airlines, Mortgages, Housing): [34:20 – 41:32]
• Cartier Brown Interview: [41:58 – 70:49]
• Kirk Franklin & Sexuality Discussion: [71:18 – 79:30]
• "Why Do People Care If a Man Is Gay?" [85:35 – 101:00]
• Entertainment & Relationship News: [103:28 – 109:41]

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Tone & Flow

• The hosts are humorous, honest, and don't shy away from teasing each other or the audience.
• Conversation shifts smoothly between serious (politics, health) and lighthearted (pop culture, food, relationships).
• Notable for its blend of real talk, laughter, and community engagement.

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For Listeners Who Missed It...

Expect a fast-paced, funny, and insightful morning covering politics, celebrity news, Black culture, food, and relationships—with unfiltered listener voices and real community concerns at the forefront. The standout moments include Cartier Brown’s inspiring story, nuanced coverage of Wendy Williams and mental health, and a disarmingly honest group discussion about sexuality and acceptance.

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Transcript

[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Ashley Nicole Moss]

What a matchup we got y'.

[Cartier Brown]

All.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Good morning, USA.

[DJ Envy]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[DJ Envy]

Just hilarious.

[Angela Yee]

Wake that ass up, Envy Charlemagne to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Go peace to the planet. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. Hump day. How y' all feel out there? I feel blessed. Black and highly favored. Happy to be here another day to serve our beautiful listeners. Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

What's up, Jesse?

[Angela Yee]

What's up, Yo. How are you?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good.

[DJ Envy]

My voice. You know what? I can tell I'm about to come down with something in the next couple of days. I can feel it coming.

[Angela Yee]

It's the kids, ain't it?

[DJ Envy]

I don't even know if it's the kids. I just haven't. I haven't really caught a cold or flu or anything in a long time. And I think it's just time for.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Me, it's probably the change of weather. And you don't be taking care of yourself. You know what I'm saying? You don't be putting all the right vitamins and minerals in your body throughout the year.

[Angela Yee]

I do okay, Mr. Plastic Baggy Vitamin Man.

[DJ Envy]

Okay?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Every morning I'm being here like an old man because I am taking 10 different multivitamins, okay? And Jinko Biloba.

[DJ Envy]

I.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right. And Sour Stop Gummies, all types of stuff.

[Angela Yee]

Sour Stop Gummies.

[DJ Envy]

Yes. But listen, I do it every morning. I take. I take my stuff every morning when I get up. That's my routine. When I do my facial stuff, I do my vitamins as well, so.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Facial.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, I do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Every morning.

[Angela Yee]

He do like every now and then.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Moisturizer, I got. I got my exfoliating cream and my vitamin C. I do all of that.

[DJ Envy]

And the sun block and all that. You know.

[Angela Yee]

Never let nobody live. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I don't. All right? I be getting tired of envy coming in here looking like a sugar cookie during the winter. You ain't been watching him the last 15 years. I'm glad that he finally taking care of his skin, man.

[DJ Envy]

Come on, Sugar Cookie man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's how you be looking when it get cold.

[Angela Yee]

You like you came in there with the power coat on. You look like an episode of Power. Like you about to go film envy. I know that's right.

[DJ Envy]

It's cold out. Yesterday it was snowing. They say they expect a little bit of flurries today, so I'm just being warm, that's all.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. Oh, well, don't get everybody sick up there.

[DJ Envy]

Where you at?

[Angela Yee]

I'm in Atlanta. I'm reporting from the Atlanta studio.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Make Louis V. By you breakfast.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, no, he doing it. He on it right now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because he gonna come to you with a bunch of jingle ball drops, and he's gonna try to get you to read.

[Angela Yee]

Already sent three of them to my phone already, and it's only 602, yo. I'm like, yo, relax. He definitely getting me breakfast or whatever. But, yeah, I'm down in Atlanta, so.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, this morning, chef, author, Food Network host, Cartier Brown.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cartier Brown, South Carolina's own low country, dropping a clues bomb for Cartier Brown. Okay? She got a new cookbook out called make do with what you have 100 delicious new recipes from favorite old school meals. And as you just said, she has a show on the Food network called Delicious Ms. Brown.

[DJ Envy]

Yep.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She's got an amazing restaurant in the Charleston Airport called Cartier Brown Southern Kitchen. So she'd be here to talk to us about all type of things.

[Angela Yee]

Nice.

[DJ Envy]

All right, and up next, Mimi's gonna be breaking down everything that's going down from the government shutdown. Are we opening? When are we opening? She'll break all that down. So don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, hey, hey, he.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess. Hilarious Charlamagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get in some front page news.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. And another way to avoid colds is to not sag your pants. Envy likes to sag his pants. I don't sag my pants. That cold air gets right in your ass. Cracked. Next thing you know, you coughing and sneezing and blowing your nose everywhere.

[DJ Envy]

What is wrong with you, man?

[Angela Yee]

Yo, the cold air get in his crack, y'.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All. There's no cold air in my crack. I saw him yesterday with a hoodie on, sagging his pants. I'm like, boy, that cold egg gonna get right there.

[DJ Envy]

I ain't even wear a hoodie yesterday. You just looking at my ass.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was not looking at your ass.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, you was.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I was looking at a grown Man. Man sagging like, why is he still doing this?

[DJ Envy]

I didn't have a hoodie yesterday and I don't sag my pants. Come on, Mimi. I'm sorry.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good morning, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning, Jess. Envy Charlemagne. How y' all doing? Because Jess is the only one not in here cutting up this right.

[Angela Yee]

Good morning, girl.

[Mimi Brown]

All right, so we start this morning in Washington where the House is back in session for the first time since September. And they are set to vote today on a bill that would reopen the government. Now, lawmakers will be voting on that same funding bill package that the Senate passed on Monday night, which would keep the government running through January 30th. It also includes what caught what is called a minibus, three major spending bills that would fund everything from road and bridges to school meal programs. And that bill also fully funds the SNAP program through next September. Now, the House is expected to meet today at noon Eastern standard time with the first order of business. Swearing in the Arizona Democrat, Adelita Grifalda. After that, members will turn their their attention on debating and voting on that funding bill. But already there is a split. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries says Democrats, they are united in voting against the measure because it lacks those subsidies for the Affordable Care Act. Let's listen to what he had to say.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Listen, it's unfortunate that you had eight or so Democrats, seven Democrats who made the decision to vote in a different way than the overwhelming majority of the Senate Democratic Caucus. And what you'll see from the overwhelming majority of House Democrats when the bill comes over to us. But they're going to have to explain themselves. This fight continues. And over the last several weeks, we have successfully elevated this health care issue such that the American people are demanding action. And now it's going to be on Mike Johnson and House Republicans to demonstrate, are they willing to actually do something for someone other than the wealthy, the well off and the well.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, they're not.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

And there's an opportunity to do it by making sure that the Affordable Care act tax credits are extended. Every single Democrat stands behind that proposition in the House. Let's see what the Republicans decide to do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know what they going to decide to do. The fact that people keep acting like Republicans give a damn about the poor and working class is insanity to me. But it's good to keep pointing it out that they don't.

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah, well, it is definitely good to keep pointing it out. That means that Speaker Mike Johnson, he has a razor thin margin to get this done today. So once Gravalda is sworn in, the breakdown will be 219 Republicans to 214 Democrats, meaning he can only afford to lose about two GOP votes if he wants to pass the bill without Democratic help. Now, if that bill, if that bill clears the House today, we'll go straight to the president's desk for his signature, officially ending the shutdown, restoring pay benefits and key services nationwide. So we'll see what happens with that. But while that is happening, there's another something brewing on the other side for the Senate. They are kind of trying to figure out more about the Affordable Care act because Republicans say that they are open to extending part of that ACA funding that's set to expire at the end of the year. But there is a catch, and they want tougher abortion restrictions on insurance plan in exchange for their vote. So Republicans say that they will not agree to an extension unless the new bill includes stronger language tied to the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment is what bans federal money being used for abortion. And Democrats say that that protection already exists. But Republicans, led by Senator John Thune, he insists that without those new limits on abortion, there will not be enough GOP votes to extend the Affordable Care act funding at all.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't believe anything Republicans say, and neither should you. Republicans have zero reason to make any concessions. They got everything they want in that big, deadly bill. So what reason do they have to play ball?

[Mimi Brown]

Well, we will continue to watch that. And while lawmakers argue over how to reopen the government, millions of Americans are still waiting on something more basic, just food money. So the Supreme Court has once again hit pause yesterday on whether the Trump administration has to send out those full SNAP benefits during the shutdown. That means about 42 million people who rely on food stamps are still waiting to find out if they will fully get their November benefits. Now, the court's order issued late last night or late Tuesday evening keeps everything frozen until Thursday night. So it's not a final decision, it's just a temporary hold that gives Congress time to act. Now, if lawmakers pass the funding bill and reopen the government before then, and those SNAP benefits would automatically be restored, ending that standoff. During that dissent, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, she was the only member of the Supreme Court to publicly disagree, saying that the payment should go out immediately. So for now, the freeze stays in place. Millions of families, though, are still wondering if their grocery money will show up this week.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, so listen, once again, I want everybody who, you know, wants Democrats to hold the line. Make sure you Donate in your local food banks. Okay. Make sure you donate to these community organizations that are providing food for people in these communities. All right? Just don't be getting on social media and your Instagram and making your videos talking about how Democrats should hold the line and Democrats can't. Don't do all of that if you're not donating to your local food banks and local community organizations that are providing food for people during this season.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

All right, really quickly. Coming up at 7, Americans say that they are being priced of the American dream. A new idea that could help, but experts are warning it may not be as simple as it sounds. We'll talk about it in the next hour.

[DJ Envy]

And everybody else, get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, phone lines are wide open. Call us up right now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wake up. Wake up.

[DJ Envy]

Wake your ass.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is your time to get it off your chest.

[DJ Envy]

Whether you're mad or blessed, we want.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

To hear from you on the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hello? Who this?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, this is Brianna.

[DJ Envy]

Hey, Brianna.

[Cartier Brown]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, Envy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, Jace.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, Sharla. I'm calling in today because I am a federal Essential worker.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Caller/Guest]

And I just heard Charlamagne's rant about Rotund Martin, and he really can bite it. Because at the end of the day, our lives and our livelihoods have been sacrificed for other Americans, and we're not getting. Nobody's speaking up for us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's true.

[Caller/Guest]

What just happened to us for the last 41 days is wrong. We are all livelihoods were used as political pawns. We have incompetent leaders with both parties. Schumer and Jeffries both need to step down. Horrendous. Horrendous. Incompetent to sacrifice. The strategy that they have came up with is let's hold this group of Americans hostage while we try to help this group of Americans. How asinine is that? Like, these are the leaders. These are our politicians. These are our government leaders. These are the people that we're supposed to entrust to fight for us. Absolutely not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

I mean, and Roland Martin can bite it. I'm sick of him. And you ate him up. Charlamagne. Thank you. Rightfully so.

[DJ Envy]

Well, I'm sorry you're going through it first and foremost.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And that's what I'm saying. I hear these conversations so much, but nobody ever talks about the Federal Workers Nobody talks about the fact y' all ain't been paid in 40 plus days. As if 67% of the country ain't living paycheck to paycheck. As if y' all landlord don't want their money and electric companies don't want their money. And y'.

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Caller/Guest]

Do you know what it's like to come to work and see people getting evicted? People crying about not being able to feed their kids, sending their kids off to live with relatives because we don't know where our lives stand? People have invested their careers, their lives into these positions. They take care of full families. And for them to sacrifice them for 40 something days, it's ridiculous. This is our peak season. So we've been in here busting out overtime for $0 and just to watch the news and, and watch all these politicians not even speak up about us. It's like, oh, we know people aren't getting paid anyways. Like, what type of BS is that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm telling you, that's what, that's what I said during donkey is just like, they talk about it like it's just a. It's so nonchalantly like we understand people.

[Caller/Guest]

Like we're so insignificant.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I. I get it.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry again. I'm sorry you got to go through it.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, no problem. I'm happy to still stay here and protect my fellow Americans and my country. At the end of the day, it's not our fault. We as a people have to stick together. To all my other essential federal workers out there, all my furlough fellow workers out there, stand strong, stay tough. Only we know what we have been through for these last 41 days because we are the only ones that have been affected by it outside of the other SNAP recipients or whatnot. But I just want to send out some love and positivity to everybody that has made it through the shutdown since we are nearing the end. Just love and blessings to everybody. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest, guys.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Salute to all the federal workers out there getting lost in the conversation, man, we salute y'.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

All.

[DJ Envy]

You know the crazy thing, I was driving in and it was soldier who was supposed to get deployed and he couldn't get deployed because the people that do the clerical work were off work. So he was supposed to be home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, but now since we're not going back, he doesn't have another appointment in January 5th. So because the government shut down, he won't be coming home until after Christmas.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Come on, man, you don't know if that's going to be his. God forbid. I hope he gets a many a million more Christmases. But what if. What if you don't, right? You understand what I'm saying? Like, people are crazy. Like, they. I don't know why nobody's thinking about the federal workers, man. It makes no sense, man. Imagine watching a federal worker who ain't never been on Snap or nothing have. Have to come to the food bank to get groceries because they can't afford to get food, right? That's the type of stuff I'm seeing. So that's why my mindset is the way that it is.

[DJ Envy]

Well, get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm D. I'm D. Hey, what you doing, man? I'm D. Calling you. This is your time to get it.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Off your chest, whether you're mad or blessed.

[DJ Envy]

800-585-1051. We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Hello?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who's this?

[Caller/Guest]

Yo, did he got the 803?

[DJ Envy]

See?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What up, Metro? What's happening?

[DJ Envy]

Get off your chest, bro.

[Caller/Guest]

What's going on, Charlemagne? But it's all right. I missed him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Caller/Guest]

What's going on with y'?

[Charlamagne tha God]

All?

[Caller/Guest]

What's up, Andy? What's up, Charlemagne? What up, J?

[DJ Envy]

What's up?

[Cartier Brown]

What's up, baby?

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest, brother.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, man.

[Caller/Guest]

Man, I'm so glad this shutdown is over, man. The people being able to get their benefits and stuff back, because that was messed up. They take people through all that just for the little politics.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They'd be doing 100.

[Caller/Guest]

But if y' all do. When y' all do get it back, don't go out here selling these stamps, man. If y' all do, holler at me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey. Not coming.

[Caller/Guest]

But the price. Hey, the price is still low.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now, it's the holiday season, man. They might. They might trade a little bit of them stamps for, you know, some cash.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

That's right.

[Caller/Guest]

There you go, Envy. One more time before you hang up. I know you will. Can I shout my podcast up?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, I think you shot it out last time, but you was all over the place there. Gotta do it again, bro.

[Caller/Guest]

I' ma shoot it out every time I call, man. I gotta get it out there. The best club family. Big shout out to Poi Nothing, where we talk about nothing and a little bit of everything at the same time.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Shout.

[Caller/Guest]

My boy Marley Out, Donnie. We in Spiders and Saturday night we on Spotify now. It's growing support. I appreciate it.

[DJ Envy]

All right, brother, Have a good one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's right. Hey, yo, salute to the Lady Gamecocks too, man. Number two team in the country. They beat the Clemson Tigers last night. Big South Carolina business, 65 to 37. Okay. Salute to Tania Latson and Joyce Edwards and Raven Johnson. They got busy last night.

[DJ Envy]

Hello? Who's this?

[Caller/Guest]

Good morning, good morning, Good morning, DJ Henry, what's happening with you, brother?

[DJ Envy]

What's up, brother?

[Caller/Guest]

This is your guy, Mr. Show Money.

[DJ Envy]

What's up, Mr. Show Money?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What up?

[Caller/Guest]

Yes, hello. What's going on?

[Angela Yee]

Good morning, Mr. Show Money.

[Caller/Guest]

My brother Charlie, man, the guy. Peace, my brother.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Peace. King, what's the word?

[Caller/Guest]

Listen, listen, man, listen. I need my. My Breakfast Club family to get involved in this effort. So far we fed like 30 families, wrapped this stuff up for them. I need y' all to get involved. We going to Restaurant Depot Shop, right? And Audi's. Right now we're feeding the family of four for about 4,52. A family. If we can get it down with sending them a turkey, stuffing all of that that y' all don't like. Thanksgiving. Need y' all to get involved. Please, please, please. The Cash app is uncle you, Uncle Y U908. Uncle Y U908. DJ Envy, you have. I know everybody know you have six kids. We get it. But if you can do anything for these families, I would appreciate it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That cash. That cash app ain't coming up either, bro.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, I'm here. And we give money.

[Caller/Guest]

So the Cash app. The Cash app is in my bio.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm sorry, I spelled you like a regular person. He said, why?

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, why you 908? So listen, Jess, I know you got the babies and everything.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know how many kids you got.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

See, I'm saying, listen, my point is that I know y' all have families and, you know, I mean, but my point is that we try to feed 100 families this Thanksgiving. I could have around 52 per family. We getting it done. We're dropping this food off to these people. You got mothers out here, you got fathers out here who are buying themselves trying to feed their families. We just want to get this done. We already spent about 30, 40, 500.

[Angela Yee]

Absolutely, Mr. Show Money. We do have families, but we also have other families, too, like my aunts and cousins and all that type of what I'm saying, right? Well, I'm feeding them, too. I'm feeding A lot of people. So I'm not just feeding my family. I just don't, I don't want that notion out there. Like, it's just, it's just about me and my kids. I'm, I'm doing a lot families too, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. And Mr. Show Money, you in Newark, man. Go check out Congressman Kelly's non profit 211 community impact. You know, they partnered with some food banks out there. I made a donation to them as well. So go check out the 211 community impact in Newark with, with Congressman Kelly, man. They're doing some stuff for people over the holidays as well.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. And, and, and if you are In Newark on November 17, Monday, I'll be out there with Mayor Raspberaka and we'll.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Be doing a turkey and food giveaway.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, so you're going to that too.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

So we do, we do do it in different areas, but that is Monday, November 17th. It starts at 10 o'.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Clock.

[DJ Envy]

They say arrive by 9:30, arrive early. It's gonna be a lot of people out there that, that, that need everything. They need food, they need size, they need everything. I do it each and every year. So I'll be out there Monday, November 17th. So salute to the mayor of Newark, Ross Baraki.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's up, Ross?

[DJ Envy]

All right, now we got the ladies with Lauren coming.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hello. Cool, babe. What's happening?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Good morning, y'.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All. I'm gonna get you a coat for the winner, man.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I got a coat outside. I wore a coat in here.

[Angela Yee]

Like showing that stomach. Yeah, it's flat. But I tell her about that all.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The time, Y', all, this is throw on clothes. We in move mode. Okay. So everything.

[Angela Yee]

You throw that on even when you wasn't moving.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You're right. I let it show the stomach. But I do have a coat, though. I got coat outside. It's okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, you gonna let her show your ass coughing and sneezing too? You keep showing that goddamn stomach. Always want to show shape. Watch what happened.

[Lauren LaRosa]

First of all, I have a very nice coat. I take my vitamins.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm good.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay. But thank you, guys. Dang. Good morning. We do have the latest coming up. Y' all know who we have not talked about in a while up here? And people have been asking me about Wendy Williams. And yesterday there was a story that broke that is a bit confusing for the people. So I've done some, some digging. We gonna clarify some things this morning.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

All right. We'll get into all that when we come back. It's the breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She gets them from somebody that knows somebody. She gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She'd be having the latest on this.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

The Latest with Lauren LaRosa.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sometimes you have facts, sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit of everything.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Oh, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Talk to me. Good morning. Hey, Jess. All right. So Wendy Williams. All right. I, if I'm being honest, feel like we started a blender for Wendy Williams in a conversation that we had here with the very first conversation we started. And I'm going to explain why after I tell you what just happened. So yesterday there was a report that broke. TMZ did an exclusive that Wendy Williams underwent a ton of additional testing in New York to figure out whether she has the frontal temporal dementia or not. The story said that she did the testing with a different. A bunch of different neurologists who are top neurologists. It didn't mention, like, from what hospital or anything like that. And you guys remember some months back, there was a story that leaked that Joe Taino, who is Wendy's, one of Wendy's attorneys told me they were really pissed about because the legal records or the medical records should not have leaked that said she did have dementia. So there's down these two big medical reports from very, you know, top neurologists that are saying two very different things. So in the story yesterday, Joe Tacopina says that what they plan to do is submit these testing results to a judge and to the court, of course, try to get Wendy out of this conservatorship. And if the judge does not just go along with the, you know, the new testing that they have, he's going to request a child trial by jury, which is what he's been saying for some time as well, too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What.

[DJ Envy]

What happened with Wendy? I was BFFs. You spoke to her every week. And then all of a sudden, everything just stopped.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I have no. I mean, you can't. I can't pick up the phone and call her. But the person that I was talking to that was working with her is no longer working with her. I do reach. Yeah, Gina, Lisa, shout out to her. I do reach out to Jo.

[DJ Envy]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

It's like a pina, but you know, I get responses when I can. I can't really answer that question, but we did have a direct line and that has slowed down, but it's okay because I always find my way in.

[DJ Envy]

Is she still out and about? Is she still coming out?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wendy is, yep, she's still out and about. Actually, I just saw a photo of her. She was at Joe Tecopena's son's wedding. But yeah, Wendy's been out and about.

[Angela Yee]

She definitely been outside and she's been looking good, too.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So I haven't seen her out since Fashion Week, though.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, the photo that I saw for the Joe Tacopina son's wedding was in the story that we're talking about right now. But other than that, it was Fashion Week and Laquan Smith and the New Yorker and all that stuff. But she's moving around to my point. So listen, here's the questions that I got some answers to. So when you, when you go to a judge and you're like, we have these two very different test results from two very good, like Dr. Sources. Right. And I've confirmed for a fact that when Wendy took that first round of testing that was requested by the Conservatorship. Wendy's team had to okay those doctors. They had to say, yes, we believe these doctors are legit. They, they come from a high, very well known hospital. All the things that test came out that she does have the dementia. Now Joe Tecopena had told me that they were going to do independent testing outside of that. That is what this is. There have been reports that the doctors, originally, the doctors walk back their reports and change their mind. That is not what happened. These are separate doctors. What's going to happen is they're going to get into court and from what I'm told it's going to basically be a battle of the doctors which will put Wendy in a really bad place. Because even if a judge says, and I'm told that it's probably very, it's probably not going to happen, that a judge does not see any brain damage whatsoever. But even if a judge does say she doesn't have the dementia, there are things that will be shown in these testings from either doctor.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So, so any cognitive.

[Mimi Brown]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's the word? Cognitive impairments.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. And so what I, what I decline, I guess. Yeah. So what I was told by a person, you know, who's, who's worked on this for some time and has been very close to the situation is that right now this puts Wendy in a position where even if they walk back things and allow things to open up a bit for her, she's still going to have to live a life that she has been very vocal about. She does not want to live. She doesn't want to have a aide with her all the time. She doesn't want to have people.

[DJ Envy]

It's not up to her though, because if she is having problems and her brain is declining and her mental is declining, she's going somebody 100.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But I'm just saying, I think when you open up, you know, the floodgates things will come and I'm very interested in it. This is why I reached out to Joe Tecopena to understand legally what their strategy is. Because at this point you kind of just are like you're adding more fuel to the fire because in all these findings you're going to see things that maybe you wouldn't even want to have a conversation about because you want to keep the main thing.

[DJ Envy]

But maybe she'll be let out a little more. It won't be as, I guess she's stuck in this quote unquote, you know, high end jail as she says. You know, I mean, so maybe she'll be Able to go out with some family. Maybe she'll have different aids, but hopefully.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It depends on what the judge decides. Go ahead, Jess.

[Angela Yee]

And then when she be outside, right, like. Because like Charlotte said, we haven't really, really seen her out a lot since New York Fashion Week. But I think it was a. It was a video when she'd be like outside in New York and she be on her scooter or whatever. Are the people.

[DJ Envy]

What you mean on her scooter?

[Cartier Brown]

Wendy on wheels.

[Angela Yee]

You know, she be rolling up around.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But you know, the video is she.

[Angela Yee]

Be out and the people be going to fit check one of the influencers that walked down on her.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

And X, you know, did a fit chat with her and then she was shopping. Like, are they. When we see her like that, are they with her or. Or is like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean, are you asking me, are those things set up?

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. Like normally does she just say, yo, I want to go out today, and then they just take her out?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I can't answer that question indefinitely. But most of the time I know you. Yes, you do let people know where you're going to be. But I did ask that too. Like, she's been moving around a lot right now. And I know she doesn't want people up under her and all in her business and she wants to make her own decisions. But who is her person right now making sure she's straight? Because she's talked about having addiction issues. Right. And that's what caused a lot or added to a lot of the issues she's having. And they're saying that she has various security guards that have been like the people.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But I would like to. I would like to salute Genalisa drop on the clues bonds for Gina Lisa. Gina Lisa is the reason that Wendy got all emotion she got now to begin with. Personally, I believe she was in better hands when she was with Gina Lisa. You know, Joe Tacopino is a great lawyer, but you need more than a great deal attorney. You need someone who knows that guardianship situation inside and out. That's Gina Lisa's world. So any of the freedom that Wendy has now, it's because of Gina Lisa. It's because of the work that Gina Lisa did prior. That's why when you saw things slow down on Wendy's case, it seemed like. And you know, it seemed like she went back to ground zero.

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was because Gina Lisa was no longer.

[DJ Envy]

So what happened with Genesis?

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's a Gina Lisa conversation.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, yeah. Not nothing I can, I can speak to, but I Will say that things have been a bit different since everything that Charlemagne has said. But, you know, I wish Wendy the best, and I'm going to, of course, try and stay in as much as I can, but I. When I saw this report, I was like, man, this is going to be a battle of, like, what does she have and what does she not? And hopefully it ends up where she can get things, you know, just softer in the lifestyle that she's living. But we don't even know everything that the test results say, so you gotta kind of have to, like, cross your fingers here.

[DJ Envy]

And lastly, I just always wonder when things like this is finances, right? Because you gotta pay for where you stand. You gotta pay for attorneys. You have to pay for all these tests.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

How long do the finance last? Because I don't know her finances, but is money still coming in? You know, is she getting royalties from the shows or the shows still airing? Like, how are they taking care of the finances? Right, because she's paying her conservatorship.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Right?

[DJ Envy]

That comes out of her check.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

That is what Wendy Williams said. Now, I will say I can't answer that fully, but I did check in on that A and E lawsuit because, remember, that was happening. There was a toss up there about that and how things were going, not going money for.

[Angela Yee]

Did she profit off that?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right now it's at a standstill. No one's profiting off of anything.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And they say they didn't even know of these. This testing, but it's because it's independent. So we'll wrap up now.

[Cartier Brown]

I'm.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm doing it.

[Cartier Brown]

I see the.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I see the wrap up. Jess had a question. I'm gonna answer it.

[DJ Envy]

That is the.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Y' all get out of my face Charlemagne.

[DJ Envy]

Now, when we come back, we have front page news, so don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. It's EJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get back in some front page news. What up, Mimi?

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning, M.V. jess Alamain. How y' all doing this morning? Good morning. All right, so we start this hour with the latest on air travel. And so while the shutdown may be near an end, the travel headaches, they are not over just yet. Transportation department says it plans to begin easing flight limits at dozens of major airports only once safety improves and more air traffic controllers are back on the job. During the shutdown, many controllers who've been working without pay called out, causing delays and cancellations. That have frustrated travelers across the country. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, though he does say things are starting to look better. Let's listen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Saturday, Sunday, Monday, very rough travel days, significant cancellations and significant delays. However, today has been a much better day. A lot more air traffic controllers are coming in. So just for comparison, on Saturday we had 81 staffing triggers. Today we have four. So I think our air traffic controllers are seeing an end to the shutdown and feel more hopeful and they're coming into their facilities. So we're grateful to them for all that they're doing.

[Mimi Brown]

So he went on to say about 24 to 48 hours after the shutdown ends, air traffic controllers can expect to be paid 70% of their pay and they would receive about 30% of their pay within a week after the shutdown being over. The FAA says flight cuts, though they will remain in place until data shows that the system is stable again. And according to the numbers, the shutdown is costing the U.S. economy about $14 billion a week, largely because of how much we rely on air travel to keep people as well as goods moving. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant, he told Morning Joe that airline executives have already been reached. They were already reaching out to him before a deal was announced, worried about what the shutdown was doing to their bottom line. Let's listen to that.

[DJ Envy]

How reliant is our economy on air.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Travel on, on, on, on the airwaves being open and us being able to.

[DJ Envy]

Move freight and move people across the United States?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Well, it's a, it's a core tenet of that along with trucking and shipping. But in terms of business travel, I.

[DJ Envy]

Received several texts from airline executives over.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

The weekend before we got news that the shutdown might be ending, saying that they were quite worried for, for their businesses.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's always corporate interest over the interest of the people. If these are, if these airlines weren't being impacted, this shutdown probably would still be going on.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Yep.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'll tell you that right now.

[Mimi Brown]

And to say he got a text, which means that they were worried about what, you know, how much longer was this going to go on and what that was going to mean for them and their bottom line. So profits over people for sure. So for now, travelers can still expect some delays and cancellations, but airlines say that those delays are temporary and once the shutdown officially ends, flight schedules could start to get back to normal within days. So now to housing and a plan that has a lot of people talking. So would you sign up for a 50 year mortgage just to afford a house. That's the idea that the Trump administration is now floating a loan that would stretch payments over five decades in effort to make home ownership more affordable. But experts say not so fast. They say, sure, your monthly payment might go down a few hundred dollars, but over time, you'd end up paying nearly twice as much in interest compared to a traditional 30 day, a 30 year loan. And because most of those payments will go toward interest, it would take nearly decades to actually build any equity, meaning that you'd own very little of your home for a very long time. So analysts warn this kind of mortgage could do more for the banks than it would for buyers. So letting lenders collect interest for about 20 extra years while families stay in debt longer, it would also push home prices even higher, since more buyers would be competing for the same limited number of homes. And the move comes as President Trump continues to face criticism over housing costs, even after campaigning on a promise to make everything more affordable for Americans. He was asked about the issue of affordability yesterday in the Oval Office. Let's hear what he had to say.

[Caller/Guest]

The fake news yesterday, they talked about that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They said, oh, I don't want to talk about affordability. The reason I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that.

[Caller/Guest]

It'S far less expensive under Trump than.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was under sleepy Joe Biden and the prices are way down.

[Caller/Guest]

Caroline?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, sir?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?

[Caller/Guest]

Affordability is what the American people elected.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This president to do and he is doing it.

[Caller/Guest]

And you guys refuse to cover it and you refuse to cover that the previous administration created the worst unaffordability crisis in American history. And I've been watching the TV all day saying that he doesn't want to talk about affordability.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's what he's working on every day and that's what this administration is doing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Donald Trump and his administration have no idea that people are broke. Like, like when he's talking about people, he's talking about people in his immediate circle that be at them dinners and stuff that they be having. He has no idea about what's going on with the working class and poor people in this country.

[DJ Envy]

The 50 year mortgage is two sides to it, right? Yes, somebody could afford a house that they probably couldn't afford because it lowers the price of the actual mortgage. But people say you're paying more interest, which is true. But a lot of people are not going to have money to invest because people like oh, you could take that money, invest. A lot of people don't have that money and invest and just want to buy a home but can't afford it because the prices of homes are so high. You look at areas where, whether it's California or New York or Atlanta, where people have to live damn near hour away or they got to live in a place that they can't because they can't afford it. So I see both sides of it, you know, I mean, because people, at the end of the day, people want to actually own something and not be stuck, you know, in a rental or in a projects, you know, I see both sides of it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Interesting conversation.

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah, for sure. They said, meanwhile, the house of home prices keep rising. To your point, Envy, the typical household now spends about 40% of their income on mortgage payments as well above what financial experts consider affordable. And searches on Google for help with mortgage have hit their highest level since 2009. The adjustable rate mortgage. They are back on the rise. And they said that's a sign that many Americans are just stretching what they can to stay in the market.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, I do want to know more about it though, because I was reading something that they created the 30 year mortgage for the same exact reason they're talking about doing the 50 year mortgage. They want to make homeownership more accessible to people. So I just, I mean, I just, you know, I just want more information on it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, but I think because it's coming.

[Mimi Brown]

From Donald Trump and he has shown a lot of interest in, you know, putting more money with the banks, the, for the 50 year loan is going to keep, you keep interest rates going, you know, for a very long time before you ever hit that principle. And so a lot of people are just pointing that out and that could, you know, definitely keep people in debt longer than it would. But to your point, Envy, a lot of people just want to buy a home right now. Well, that is your front page news. I'm Mimi Brown. Follow me at Mimi Brown tv. For more stories, follow the Black Information Network, Download the free iHeartRadio app or visit binnews.com thank you, Mimi Brown.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Thank you, Mimi. We got another Brown coming in right now.

[DJ Envy]

That's right, Cartier Brown, chef, author and Food Network host. And we gonna talk to her next. So don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lauren laros is here as well and we got a special guest in the Building chef, author, food network host, Cartier Brown.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Welcome.

[Cartier Brown]

Hi.

[DJ Envy]

How are you feeling this morning?

[Cartier Brown]

I'm feeling good. How y' all feeling?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Blessed, black and highly favored.

[Cartier Brown]

I know. That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I literally said this morning, man, we should have had Cartier cook.

[Cartier Brown]

I know. You know what? Let me tell you what. What it took to get here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Cartier Brown]

So my flight was canceled from Charleston. Oh, right. But I knew it was going to be canceled, so something told me, just go ahead and book a trip on the Amtrak. I took the train 14 hours.

[DJ Envy]

We should be cooking for you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Exactly.

[Mimi Brown]

Right.

[Cartier Brown]

I need a little continental breakfast. But, yeah. And then the train got stuck in dc so.

[Charlamagne tha God]

When'd you fly in?

[Cartier Brown]

I didn't fly in.

[DJ Envy]

She just said she.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know, but when you scheduled to fly in?

[Cartier Brown]

I was scheduled to fly in yesterday at 2:55 until 4:00am this morning.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And they can't. They already had canceled the desk.

[Cartier Brown]

I already canceled.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yikes. See, he was going on.

[Cartier Brown]

But I made sure I came.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You made it.

[Cartier Brown]

I made sure I was here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's cause you're supposed to be here.

[DJ Envy]

We should try some breakfast. Well, how are you feeling?

[Cartier Brown]

I'm feeling good.

[DJ Envy]

You feeling good?

[Cartier Brown]

I'm feeling great.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I could have cooked you breakfast.

[DJ Envy]

No, you couldn't have cooked that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Struggle says, use what you got.

[Cartier Brown]

Exactly.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So I could have. You know what I mean, what you.

[Cartier Brown]

Had in your house. What did you have in your house?

[Lauren LaRosa]

We could have did eggs, bacon, pancakes. I do little fried apples. You know fried apples. My grandmother does. Yep. My grandma from Virginia.

[Cartier Brown]

Okay, so. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Cartier Brown]

Right? So like, you just like take the apples, slice them up, cut them up and put them in a pan with.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like some butter or something in the cinnamon brown. A little brown sugar.

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah. Oh, I definitely could have took.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's my favorite meal. That's an easy breakfast.

[DJ Envy]

So, you know, since. Since your name been on this, the list that you were coming up here. Charlemagne's been salivating.

[Cartier Brown]

Right?

[DJ Envy]

Or like just comes. Just stroll down the mouth. So let's.

[Cartier Brown]

Let's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What are you talking about? Let's find out.

[DJ Envy]

How'd you get into cooking? Like, let's start from the beginning. It's your first time here. How did you get into cooking? What made you realize that you wanted to be a chef?

[Cartier Brown]

We got some time. Okay. So my grandmother and my mother are excellent cooks. My grandmother on my father's side was known for her red rice in Charleston.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Cartier Brown]

You know about that red rice. So she was a cook at the Piggly Wiggly on Meaton Street.

[DJ Envy]

Piggly Wiggly.

[Cartier Brown]

Piggly Wiggly.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's a grocery store for all you up north folk. Okay.

[Cartier Brown]

So she was a cook. A long time cook there. But I get it from both sides of my family. I do not have any professional background experience. I did not go to culinary school. It was just something I always loved to do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wiggly used to be so good, you.

[Cartier Brown]

Know, and it still is. The one on Savannah Highway. It's delicious.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Cartier Brown]

That fried chicken, you know, collard greens, red rice on Fridays. My husband now knows about it, but. But. So I started out with just like, my background's in social work. I went to school for psychology. Just thought I was going to do something in the non profit world, which I did. I worked at Big Brothers, Big Sisters. I did. I did removal of children from homes, and I did child placement. I did all of that. So in the midst of doing that, because it's just a very hard job, you know, it's rewarding, but it's hard. So I use cooking as an outlet for me. My entire life, I've just always done that. Exactly. So I was living in Jersey at the time, in 2015, and I was dating this guy who one day was like, recording me. I was like, I don't know why he's recording me. I thought he was just gonna put it on Instagram. I get a call maybe a few days later from a producer who's like, your boyfriend sent in a video of you cooking.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, you was cooking?

[Cartier Brown]

I was cooking in the kitchen.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You said, okay.

[DJ Envy]

So I'm sorry.

[Cartier Brown]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm freaky over there. What kind of video recording? Yeah, she was cooking. This is a chef story. What's wrong with y'?

[Angela Yee]

All?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's up with y'? All?

[Cartier Brown]

I was. I was cooking in the kitchen. I was recording me cooking.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, great.

[Cartier Brown]

And I got a call from a producer.

[Charlamagne tha God]

My bad.

[Cartier Brown]

Let me back up. So I got a call from a producer, said, hey, we are featuring home cooks on this new show on the Cooking Channel, and we want to feature you. We like your style of cooking. We like your personality. I thought it was a joke. I'm like, y' all are not about to come. I'm living in Jersey. I'm just cooking, you know, for fun. This is not serious. You can't be. They were serious. They filmed the show over a course of, like, a weekend. And on the last day of filming, the producer came up to me and said, I think you. You have what it takes to be, like, a food personality. I think you should try It. I mean, listen, I don't know what kind of jokes you got going on here, but this was fun. I'm gonna go back to my cubicle on Monday and go back to my regular life. He was like, I really think you should give this a shot. You're a natural at this. I know you've never been on TV before, but if you. If you let us pitch you. We want to pitch you to the Food Network. Wow. So they pitched me. And well, before that, something in me was just like, God, you wouldn't bring me this far and show me this if it wasn't something behind it. So the following week, I put in my resignation letter at work.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, so you just, like your discernment, just said, you know what? It's time. Time to step out on faith.

[Cartier Brown]

Nothing ever felt right as that weekend did. And so I stepped out on faith, sold all of my belongings, got on the Amtrak and moved back down to Charleston and said, this is what it's going to be. I started a supper club called the New Gullah Supper Club, where it featured all of the Gullah Geechee dishes. And I honed in on my skills, and eventually they. We did a sizzle reel, and. And Food Network kind of gave in, was like, oh, we'll give you a shot. And it took about four or five years before that. Yes. Because I did get a no. I got a few nos, but I didn't take it as, no, it's not for you. I heard it as, no, not right now.

[DJ Envy]

Not yet.

[Cartier Brown]

So I kept. Kept honing in on my skills, kept doing my thing. I did my supper club, and I had little appearances here and there on the Cooking Channel and Food Network, and eventually they gave me my shot. And with a proof of concept. They saw the proof of concept and greenlit the first season of delicious, delicious.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ms. Brown.

[DJ Envy]

Wow.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And you've won two Emmys for that so far. Wow. Outstanding culinary instructional series and outstanding culinary.

[Cartier Brown]

Hosts and the first black woman to do so.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Wow.

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's so interesting, right? Because, you know, you and Sonny. Sonny was the first black woman that I know from culture. Right. Sunny Anderson, who broke through on the Food Network. How hard is that for a black woman to break through on the Food Network? I only know y' all too, right?

[Cartier Brown]

It's us that's. You know, I think over the years, they've gotten better with diversity and inclusion on the network, but for a long time, it was just Sonny, the Neelys.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I forgot about the Neelys.

[Cartier Brown]

Yes. And. And Chef Aaron With Big Daddy's House. And. But as far as a black woman back then, all I knew was B. Smith and yes, God bless her soul, but Sunny was the only one. And Sunny was, you know, like I tell anybody, Sunny is who I looked up to and I saw her on there and I saw her being her authentic self and I was like, if she can do it, you know, I can too. But yeah, it's just really been us. And then now Carla hall is on the network as well. But it's hard, you know, it's a white male dominated field in and out of television. Even with the culinary world in general. You know, most executive chefs, head chefs are white men.

[DJ Envy]

When you used to work at cps, what was the reason why you would take a child from a home? Like, because usually they say it takes a long time. It has to be almost like to the worst. So what would be that reason? Like how far does it go?

[Cartier Brown]

Deplorable environments. Like if you, you know, I've said before that sometimes CPS can let things slip through the cracks. And on my watch, you know, any notices, anything like coming in and seeing multiple reports of abuse and you walk into a home and you see that they are clearly living in deplorable environments. After that, in multiple cases and multiple write ups, then it would, would warrant a removal from the home. Like there's emergency removal where there's clear abuse and then there's some that. It takes some cases and some write ups before that happens.

[DJ Envy]

I know a lot of parents are always scared that my kids are going to come to school and say my mama hit me or my daddy hit me. Yeah, but, but that doesn't get your kid taken out. Okay?

[Cartier Brown]

Not immediately. No. We always want, we always want reunification and we always want children to be in their homes. But if it's clear and there's multiple signs of something going on, then there has to be an investigation first before a child is just removed.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did a child ever complain that their parents couldn't cook and they wanted to be.

[Cartier Brown]

Of course that happens. That used to happen like, oh, I didn't want this. Or kids will complain like, oh, I didn't get a chance to wear this. I wanted to wear those sneakers. They took my game from me or something that, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Don't you get mad when they call you to the house and you'll be like, you calling me cause your mama took your game.

[Cartier Brown]

Or even when I was, even when I was a social worker and I had like, you know, kids on beyond like them Being with their, their birthright families. Like when I did child placement and they were with their temporary households, and I would get calls on the. And I can hear the. The phone now. The. The on call phone. And I would get some of my clients who would be like, well, I'm on punishment, so why are you on punishment? What happened? I got a couple of Fs. And so you decided to punch holes in the wall and, and do crazy stuff because you got Fs on your report card. Now what. How does that. In 3 o' clock in the morning, like, I gotta go remove a child and put him in another home because of. Of craziness. But, you know, kids will be kids.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's real.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was gonna ask, did those two, did those two worlds ever, like, collide at all? Like, did any of the kids that you helped find, like, placement homes or whatever? Now they watch you on the Food Network. You run into them. Like, did that ever happen?

[Cartier Brown]

Happened like that recently just happened. I also worked for Big Brothers Big Sisters in Newark while I was living in Jersey. And I recently hosted a Big Brothers Big Sisters meet and greet at my restaurant in Charleston, which was really nice as a full circle moment. Going from being a mentor manager at Big Brothers Big Sisters to hosting them at my restaurant and Cartier Brown's Southern Restaurant. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. In Charleston Airport.

[Cartier Brown]

So it came full circle to have them, you know, there. And I remember being a struggling social worker, you know, rubbing pennies together to make ends meet to having the same organization. That kind of, that's organization. I left before I started the Food Network show. And so to have them at my restaurant, gosh, almost 10 years later, it meant a lot.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, I've heard you say that your cooking is a love letter to the low country. Where we from? What's one dish that best tells the story of where we from?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

From.

[Cartier Brown]

You think shrimp and grits?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, absolutely.

[Cartier Brown]

It's my favorite. You know, it's nothing. And I tell people every time you come to Charleston, you have to have Charleston shrimp. Like, it's, it's, it's like none other. You can go anywhere in the world and have seafood. There is nothing like low country seafood.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That.

[Cartier Brown]

That's my, that's my favorite.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I gotta go.

[Cartier Brown]

I, I gotta come to Charles.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That rice too, though.

[Cartier Brown]

And the red rice. And the red rice. But see, you don't, you don't eat pork in your red rice.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, but a lot of people cooking now with turkey, though.

[Cartier Brown]

Turkey. You can do turkey. Some people do it vegan. Who is what's the. What's the guy's name that's from Charleston that has the last night. No, the late night show. Stephen Colbert. His wife put anchovies in her red rice.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. That sound like, you know, I love you, but God damn. God damn anchovies in the red rice. Come on now.

[Cartier Brown]

You know.

[DJ Envy]

So the holidays are coming up, right? Yes, Thanksgiving. So for people that are not cookers, right? Because there's a lot of. Lot of women, a lot of men out there that don't cook. What's an easy dish for people to make that can still impress some type of people? Like, for instance, Lauren has a new founded man, right. She really doesn't know how to cook. So what would you suggest her to cook to impress this gentleman?

[Cartier Brown]

Don't do shrimp chicken Alfredo. We don't for Thanksgiving.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I would never.

[Cartier Brown]

But I see everything. Every time I see something on social media, everyone's like, oh, you gotta do the Alfredo for, you know, for a date. We're not doing Alfredo for Thanksgiving. I would say a spatchcock turkey. That's super simple. People think that that takes a lot to make, and it really doesn't. You just take the backbone out the turkey or chicken. If you don't want to do a big chicken. I mean, a big turkey. Smash it flat down, season it, inject it with some, you know, some butter and some creole juices, bake it off, and it's like the tastiest, juiciest turkey you will ever have. There's some other recipes in there. I've already made the red rice, the jollof rice. I mean, it's so simple. Like, you don't have to do a lot to impress someone. I say do something simple that takes a little less step so you don't get all flustered and stuff and just make it taste good. That's it. Presentation, too.

[DJ Envy]

Has your husband ever hurt your feelings?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

Cause you are a chef, right?

[Cartier Brown]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Sitting back there. Have you ever say, nah, that's not it. And you'd be like, what?

[Cartier Brown]

Yes, several times.

[DJ Envy]

What meal be. Would.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Was it that he said, that's the last meal? He was like, babe, you gotta go try that again.

[Cartier Brown]

I made. So I made this. I try to make this, like, jerk chicken and dumpling thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And.

[Cartier Brown]

And I made the dumplings with, like, frozen biscuits.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I.

[Cartier Brown]

It usually works.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, you got to make the biscuits from scratch, man.

[DJ Envy]

You had that much time.

[Cartier Brown]

I. I didn't have much time. And the dumplings just kind of like it. It did something in there. It was it was, it was yucky, it was thick, it was slimy. Also, he is a, is a dessert snob and he will call somebody's cake dry in a heartbeat. Dry. I said, not me. Sitting on these like I am a judge on holiday baking championships. Spring baking. I know desserts. So I made a red velvet cake one time. He took a slice of the cake.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And was like, I need water.

[Cartier Brown]

It's a little dry.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I said, absolutely dry.

[Cartier Brown]

Where I said to you, if you put your finger. I said the. Do you see the crumb? He's like, I don't know about all that. All I know is my Aunt Pam makes a. Wow. Aunt Pam in there. Aunt Pam make a good red velvet cake and hers be a little buttery than this. It's a little dry. I don't know what you want me to tell you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So was he missing something? Did you?

[Cartier Brown]

I thought I did. Right. I put my stick of butter in there. A little oil for me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Technically a stick of butter.

[Cartier Brown]

A stick of butter. I guess PAM Put about two or three sticks in there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what I'm saying.

[Cartier Brown]

I thought one stick would be enough. 12 tablespoons. I'm measuring. He was like, nah, it, it's dry.

[DJ Envy]

So what happens after that? After he tells you it's too dry or it don't taste too good?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What, what?

[DJ Envy]

So what's your next move?

[Cartier Brown]

Mumbling across the house.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Did he finish the piece of cake or.

[Cartier Brown]

No, he threw it away.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Oh damn, that's cold.

[Cartier Brown]

But, and, and, and, but, but then I thought about it too. Cuz I did go get another slice later on that day and it, it was reading a little dry. So you know, he's. He, ain't he not. He's not gonna fake it, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I want to ask you about when you started delicious Ms. Brown. Did you ever imagine you'd be representing like an entire region on national tv?

[Cartier Brown]

Absolutely not. I just thought I was coming in there and you know, just. And you know, growing up in the low country and being of Gullah descent, you really don't think about it. It's just a way of living. It's just like we Geechee, that's it. You know, that's all we know. And then, but seeing the interest from other people and like genuine interests of the Gullah Geechee culture, then I started to realize the importance of what I was doing. It's not only just cooking Southern food and fry and fish and making red rice. It was really about preserving a culture.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How has your Gullah Geechee Heritage shape not just your recipes, but just the way you see community and success.

[Cartier Brown]

Oh, man. You know, just coming from being of Gullah Geechee descent, it's like, you know, it's not many of us. It's a particular region and era and area, and there's not many of us that make it out of Charleston, out of South Carolina. And so being one of the very few means a lot to me. But it also means that I have work to do because we're not going to be just us. We have to pave the way for other Gullah Geechee folks, black folks, to be able to do this too. I don't want to keep saying that it's only one or two women, black women in general, that are on the Food Network. Why is that? That all these years later, why is that? You know, there should be more of us. We. I mean, the fabric of American cuisine comes from African American people on the slaves on the backs of enslaved people. So why isn't there more representation across the board with our food?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, Aunt Pam need a show. They stabbing you up today. You talked about being nervous when you first filmed at home, right? What was the moment you realized, I belong here.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Cartier Brown]

I. I think it was. It wasn't. It wasn't long until the first season where it kind of hit me like, oh, this is happening. But later on down the line, I'm in my 10th season, now the show, and recently winning the Emmys. Winning two Emmys, I think before then, it's not really the validation of it, but it's like having your peers recognize you in a sense, because there's been so many times where I've said sat at tables, and people are like, well, how many restaurants do you own? You know, so what's. What culinary school did you go to? And I never really have an answer like, no, I didn't go to culinary school. No, I did. I don't own. At the time, I didn't know in restaurants, I had a traveling supper club. And so it was always trying to fight for that. I belong here. I don't know why y' all don't understand that God would not put me in this. In this seat if it wasn't a thing for me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right?

[Cartier Brown]

And so winning the Emmy was like, oh, I guess you do kind of got something going on here. But. But before that, I. I think I realized it kind of. It wasn't too long until I was like, all right, this. This is it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I wanted to ask you, right in the intro, you got these mantras you already talked about. You got McDonald's money. I just want to say some of these mantras. Mantras.

[Cartier Brown]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And you tell me what they mean to you. Right. You said these are mantras your mother and grandmother instilled in you. And I also want to know which one is most relevant to where you are in life right now.

[Cartier Brown]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If you want to act grown, be grown.

[Cartier Brown]

Now, that was the. You know, you think you're grown. Well, then go ahead and take your stuff and get out and do it on your own.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn.

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah. My mom is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You remember the first time you heard that?

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah, I was about 14 or 15, and I guess I had got, you know, started feeling myself a little bit. And I said something back to her, and she was like, all right, if you want to act Grown. You be grown. Pack your stuff up, call your grandmother and tell her you on the porch, you need to go. I was like, what you mean? Like she actually had me pack my stuff up and put me outside and called my grandmother, said you can come get her. She could figure out what she doing since she want to be so grown here. And I was like, you can't do that. You can't put me. But that, I mean, back then, like, I mean, I kind of felt, I guess I was feeling myself a little bit.

[DJ Envy]

The grandma don't get you.

[Cartier Brown]

No, no, grandma. She was like, absolutely not. Like, Patty, let her back in the house. Don't, don't do it like that. She, you know, she didn't mean, she didn't mean any harm, but you know, it took about an hour or two, but she let me back in. But I, I, at that point I realized I was not grown.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The Lord will make a way out of no way.

[Cartier Brown]

Absolutely every single time. And I, and I say that with conviction every single time. I am a living testimony of making. God will bring you through the, the darkest stories. Storms. I was homeless at one point, so to be here today talking about my second cookbook and, and being here with you all is a testament that God will. Will bring you out. The darkest situation.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Was that the moment? Because we all, you know, we, we all are, are believers and we all have faith, but we always have that one real moment where we like Lord God. I know that was God.

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah, that I, I don't. I feel like it happens on a daily, you know, like just driving to work or flying on a plane or just doing it, like when you land like that that was nothing but God or you know, getting home to your, your house and your family. That, that had to been God because anything could have happened in between times. So I, you know, you see that on a, on a daily.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He will never give you more than you can bear.

[Cartier Brown]

Never. And I think as, as humans, we underestimate how much we can actually take and deal with.

[Charlamagne tha God]

With.

[Cartier Brown]

And God shows us like, okay, yeah, this may be a, A very trying time, but I'm giving this to you because I know you can handle it. And once you handle it and if it happens again, you know that I, I've been here before. I've, I've handled this. So this coming, the next thing coming, you know, it's easy, it's nothing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I think this is one people need to really understand in this era. Don't be Pennywise and pound foolish.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, my grandma be Saying to me, yeah, what's that?

[Cartier Brown]

Don't be pennywise and pound foolish. Means that you don't, don't think you know more than what you actually do. You know, be, be open and receptive to feedback and criticism and constructive criticism. And you don't know everything. You don't. And there's somebody that's going to know a little bit more than you or somebody's going to help you understand this. But be open and receptive to, to criticism, constructive feedback and, and just advice.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's next for the delicious Ms. Brown brand? You know, we got cookbooks, we got restaurants, we got products.

[Cartier Brown]

Yes. You know, right now I am looking forward to. I'm hosting Kids Baking Championship with Duff Goldman at the top of the year. Holiday Baking Championship is on now. You know, at this time, I'm the type of person that's always like, I gotta have everything in control. Like, I gotta have my next plan written down. I, I'm, I know I'm doing this. I know I'm going to do that next. I am allowing the universe to do what it do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ooh. Okay.

[Cartier Brown]

Whatever God has for me, I'm not going to limit myself to anything.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What peace of mind has that given you in. In work?

[Cartier Brown]

That has given me so much because social media and, and I'm, and I am very, I do it to this day, I'm guilty of comparing to other people's where they are in their life. Their, their point C. To my point A.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He was talking about that this morning and I was like, yo, they got. People got to stop doing that. They could be lying.

[Cartier Brown]

Every all day long, especially the people that, you know, that, you know, I know you don't live like that, but I, I, you know, get caught up with that. And social media makes it really easy to get caught up with comparing your journey to someone else's. And I caught myself saying that, okay, if this book doesn't get New York Times bestseller, but why did their books, you know, why is there a book. Why is this book not selling as far? And I'm tired. You get tired of that because at the end of the day, what my peace is, my slow mornings, being with my husband, having the freedom to get up and do what I love to do every day. The older you get, the more those things matter to you. So it's a peace of mind, of knowing and just like, hey, whatever happens, happens. But I know it's going to always be for my greater good.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Well, thank you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Dedicated.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wait to try these recipes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I got one more you dedicated the book to your husband.

[Cartier Brown]

I did.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why did you dedicate to your husband?

[Cartier Brown]

He's the reason why I cook. He's. I. I enjoy cooking for myself, you know, but it's nothing like, babe, what you feeling like today, you know, or like, you know, with seeing his face when he's excited about something that I'm making, and when he walks in the house and I'm cooking and he's like. Like, oh, it smell good in here. That. That makes me feel good. So I get. I get gratification and satisfaction from. It's my love language, feeding, you know, not only his body, but his soul, too, so.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I also want to say, you know, do we always say we're losing recipes?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

You.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Do you think cookbooks are. Are spiritual because of that?

[Cartier Brown]

Absolutely. Especially coming from, you know, black and brown households where recipes are not written down. It's only, like, word of mouth. And so God forbid, if Big mama goes and y' all didn't get that sweet potato pie recipe or that fat bag recipe, and nobody wrote it down, and nobody can call her, you know, so having recipes written down and the stories that follow the recipes is so important because eventually all of us are going to leave this place one day, and you got something. Got to have something left to talk about.

[DJ Envy]

Well, thank you for joining us this morning.

[Cartier Brown]

Thank you so much.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And listen, I'm over the holidays. What's the date? We're gonna be with Chris Kalin. Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is that November 27th?

[Cartier Brown]

The day after.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Day after Thanksgiving. So, yeah, November 28th. Actually, November 28th will be at the Magnolia Room, myself, Cartier, and AJ from the We Talk Back podcast will be with Chris Kalin at the Magnolia room in Charleston, 720 Magnolia Road. Man. So tickets are available for that now.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I believe. I don't know. I'm just reading what's on Chris Kin's page.

[DJ Envy]

All right. It is Cardier Brown.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Make sure you go to Cartier Brown Southern Kitchen in Charleston Airport. Man.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm telling you, somebody's listening to me right now. And they're like, you know what? Our flight's delayed for two hours. Hook yourself up right past the Chick Fil A and go into Summer Kitchen. That's right.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy.

[Cartier Brown]

Jess.

[DJ Envy]

Hilarious.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sh.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She gets him from somebody that knows somebody. She gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She be having the latest on.

[Caller/Guest]

The.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Latest with Lauren LaRosa.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sometimes you have facts, sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit everything.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Well, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So Kirk Franklin sat down with Carlos King for reality with the king, and they had a conversation about a lot of different things. Kirk Franklin and where he stands with his son currently. Kirk Franklin and just who he is as a person. And I think Carlos King was honestly kind of shocked by how real Kirk Franklin was, But they got into a very deep conversation about sexuality. There's been a conversation around Kirk Franklin and his son. You guys remember the phone call that happened, and between the two of them, and it's obvious that they've been trying to mend things behind the scenes. Right. But there's been another conversation about if Kirk Franklin feels away or has whatever animosity toward his son because his son has come out as bisexual. And Carlos King asks Kirk Franklin about that. And Carlos King and Kirk Franklin then talk about Kirk Franklin's sexuality being questioned and that not being a factor. Let's take a listen to Kirk Franklin.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Where do you think things went wrong between you and your oldest son? As you follow his life, you can see that there's more of internal struggles that are not environmental. They are not just from experiences. I'm only sharing what has been very public that people can see a lot of times in the deterioration of certain moods and behaviors. On his social media and a lot of his platforms. At age 9 and 10, we were trying to figure out how much of it was disciplinary. Always having to be called up to the school and not knowing at times that there were deeper issues. We are very trepidatious, our community, when it comes to mental conversations. And, you know, you just don't have the language. You don't have the language. You don't know the. You don't know much. And so that's my perspective. That's the perspective of his mother. That's the perspective of other professionals and other great men that have been in his life. It sounds like he's talking about mental health issues right there, not sexuality.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, we went to the wrong clip.

[DJ Envy]

But it's okay because it's okay.

[Angela Yee]

Always talk like he preaching. He just. That evangelist voice is just always. I. I love it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And Lauren, it's okay to stop the clip and say it's the wrong clip.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Sorry. I thought maybe I could just like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Okay. So, yes, that was the clip where he was. He was. Well, yeah, Kirk Franklin is always gonna remind you of the church because we've been hearing his voice for so long. And in that clip, yes, he is talking about what the deeper issue is. So basically, Carlos King's. Carlos King poses that question to Kirk Franklin. Like, is the issue that your son is bisexual? Kirk Franklin says, no, not at all. And I' fighting for my son. And then he says, this is exactly what is happening or what we believe. And he talks about his son's mental health. And they're still figuring that out, but then they go into the conversation about Kirk Franklin's sexuality, because Kirk Franklin is trying to make the point that he accepts all people. He's been in conversation with people about his sexuality, so he understands where certain things are coming from, but he doesn't hate anybody. Now let's take a listen to Kirk Franklin on sexuality.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Somebody in the chat said, it's always the wrong clip. Y' all would be stopping the show forever if y' all time. Thank you for noticing. Chat. Okay. Cause they make Uncle Charlotte feel like he crazy in here.

[Cartier Brown]

You are crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay, continue.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, go ahead, Ray.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Almost most of my life, I was. I've had my sexuality questioned. You know, I'm little. I think I like clothes a little bit. And then I came up in gospel music, you know, where a lot of my brothers were feminine men. But they were great friends to me. They were beautiful souls to me.

[Cartier Brown]

Did it hurt you, though, when people question your sexuality?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah, it did. Oh, yeah. When I was a young boy. Yes. Yes. How early on do you remember your sexuality being questioned? Middle school and high school. It's because when I was in choir, because I've always been in the arts. And then I was adopted by a woman. I probably, you know, was very comfortable in my femininity as a man. My sexuality, for me was never a space where it was anything but heterosexual. But I've always been loving and compassionate to people. I can't wait until y' all stop caring where people want to put their penis. Like, who gives a damn? I'm going to start thinking if you care so much. Huh?

[Angela Yee]

What are you talking about?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start thinking, if you care so much about where a man is putting his penis is because you want to try me. It's like how when you're asking a girl, you got a man, you got a man, you got a man, you single?

[Angela Yee]

No, I want to know. So they can put their bed in.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, that's what I'm trying. I just said that. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I got what you're trying to say. I think with Kirk Franklin, the reason why, because he's talked about this multiple times before and refuted claims multiple times before. But with him, people like to have this conversation not just because of whatever is happening with his son, but because a man of faith and you know, he leads and all the things. Cuz they also get on him about his outfits. Remember, he was dancing on stage. He tried to make that a thing as well, too. So I don't think people will ever let Kirk Franklin just be who he is. They just.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why? Just because you little. You got to be gay. That's little pimps. Most pimps are little.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know, I thought about you when he said that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Shut up.

[DJ Envy]

Right? Come to think about it, I don't.

[Angela Yee]

Really know a lot of little gays.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Think about it.

[Angela Yee]

I. I don't really know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, no. That's because your algorithm is full of transgenders and they allow of them be big. So you upset. That's what you thinking about. But no gays coming all sizes. Just.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

No, no, no. I just saying, like, I don't really know. The little ones.

[DJ Envy]

The little ones?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do you mean? What do you mean? Like, I don't know what you mean by little.

[Cartier Brown]

Like size.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Go ahead, Jess. What?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You said Franklin ain't little.

[Angela Yee]

Short.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, he is.

[Angela Yee]

He.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

He.

[Cartier Brown]

Is he little? He's for sure.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He's not little to you because you're little.

[DJ Envy]

And that's why I thought of you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

When he said I've always been little, I was like, damn, Darla, you've been fighting your whole life.

[DJ Envy]

Like five, four.

[Charlamagne tha God]

First of all, gay rumors didn't start for me until recently. Okay. I've never had before. What recently?

[Lauren LaRosa]

You've always had gay as of when? Recently? Like when?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Actually, probably since I got to New.

[DJ Envy]

York and the guy said you took a bus to go see him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And when was that? When I was.

[DJ Envy]

That was recently. That was what, 15 years ago.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But I was in New York. That's when I got to New York.

[DJ Envy]

Back in the day, a guy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

How does that make you feel?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. Let me know that there's a lot of gay men in New York, so they think I'm just one of the them, especially in the industry.

[Angela Yee]

And what happened when you pulled up on them?

[Lauren LaRosa]

What y' all do in the bus?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know this person. I didn't know this person back then.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, it was a lie.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, he had a whole story.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He did have a Whole story.

[DJ Envy]

It was funny, too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

People got whole stories about you, too. Are they true? Nope.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, hey, yo, honestly. Maybe that's the thing. It's the Illuminati and you gay. Then that's where you made it, right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I am in the Illuminati. I've admitted to that. I told y' all this already.

[DJ Envy]

I think both, but all right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That was your opportunity to come out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What I am. I just did. Illuminati.

[Angela Yee]

Do they take gays? They.

[DJ Envy]

What is wrong with y'? All?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm not in that.

[Angela Yee]

What makes you eligible? You have to be.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'll let y' all know soon, okay? Yeah, I'm gonna let y' all know real soon.

[Angela Yee]

Well, shout out to all and real.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Soon, my Illuminati membership will be confirmed. Just want y' all to know.

[Cartier Brown]

Oh, okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The other thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That'Ll never get confirmed, unfortunately for some men out here who want this.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

What?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know I'm trade. I know I'm trade. What is wrong with you?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Why you look Envy in his eye, down his throat like that?

[DJ Envy]

That I know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'm sure Envy know when back up here. One of the first things I was warned about was DJ envy. I walked into an apartment complex. His story.

[DJ Envy]

Go ahead, tell the story. Tell the story, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tell a story. I walked into an apartment complex and the lady at the front desk said, I just want to tell you something. You need to watch out for Envy, cuz. Envy be over here with a man that's about your size, and he got a bald head like you. And y' all about the same complexion. That's what he tell, See?

[Lauren LaRosa]

And that's how it starts. And that's why you got people got to get on these interviews. Like her from Glencarlos. King clear things up.

[DJ Envy]

I wouldn't clear do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

As soon as she told me, I told Envy. I said, I'm just letting you know. Somebody warned me about you yesterday, man.

[Angela Yee]

Well, listen, shout out to all the little gays and this Campbell birthday.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Happy birthday to Campbell.

[Cartier Brown]

Can we talk?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow. For a minute.

[DJ Envy]

All right, girl.

[Angela Yee]

I want you be our brunch.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Your name.

[DJ Envy]

All right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What you going be our brunch.

[DJ Envy]

That was the latest with that era, girl. That was the latest with Lauren. Now us. This guy's crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You're not going to explain the story. You going to do that?

[DJ Envy]

I'm not explaining no damn story. That's false. I'm not explaining for anything false anymore. I ain't got to explain. You believe what you want to believe.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I can put you down with Carlos.

[Angela Yee]

I'm glad you got that T envy.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

That's good.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not explaining nothing. Believe what you want. Believe if I'm gay. Charlemagne gay. Who you giving your donkey to?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Make sure you listen to the reality with the king from Carlos King on the Black Effect podcast.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, for the full combo.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Now, who you giving your your donkey to?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You giving that donkey crazy though. We need James Bowman to come to the front of the congregation. We like to have a word with him, please. James Bowman, the third from Maryland.

[DJ Envy]

All right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Just might know him.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, my God.

[DJ Envy]

We'll get to that. Next is the Breakfast Club.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Gamor with the donkey.

[DJ Envy]

It's time for donkey of the Day.

[Caller/Guest]

A bunch of donkeys around here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, you are a donkey. What the hell?

[DJ Envy]

The hell are you?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Some donkey. Today's just sell himself.

[Cartier Brown]

Charlemagne.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Give it to him. Give it to him. Oh, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Charlemagne, who you giving donkey to do tonight? Well, Rob 49. Donkey of the Day for Wednesday, November 12th goes to a Maryland man named James Bowman III. Okay. He is 40 years old and he was recently arrested for a domestic related assault. Okay. According to reports, Bowman punched the woman in the face and he bit her hand. So rightfully so, that got his ass locked up. But he was released on a PR bond. We know what a PR bond is, right? It's when a defendant is allowed to leave jail before their trial without posting money. You just gotta sign a document and pledge your word to appear in court for all required hearings. Well, that's what he did, so he got released. What's also interesting about PR bonds is a judge assesses the defendant's risk factors. Things like their criminal records, employment status, community ties, etc. Etc.

[DJ Envy]

Family, if they got kids, all that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, yes. Just to determine if they are reliable, if they're a reliable candidate for for release. Well, it's safe to say the judge got this one wrong. Okay, let's go to Fox 5 DC for the report, please.

[DJ Envy]

A woman and her toddler were assaulted inside their home in this Waldorf neighborhood last week. Allegedly by the same man arrested for the same crime hours earlier. This is James Bowman III. 40 years old, arrested last Friday for a domestic related assault where he's accused.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Of punching the victim in the face.

[DJ Envy]

That happened just hours after he was released from the Charles County Adult Detention Center. A state appointed district court commissioner released Bowman on his own recognizance, telling him.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Not to abuse the woman.

[DJ Envy]

But within an hour, Charles County Sheriff's investigators say Bowman was back on Drake Court inside the Victim's home, where he broke into her locked bedroom and assaulted the terrified woman and her toddler, leaving.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Them beaten and bloody.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She was able to call 911 and.

[DJ Envy]

Have Bowman arrested again. This time, a judge ordered the suspect be held without bond.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, ladies, sometimes, just sometimes, I understand why you would trust the bear more, okay? I did Melissa Ford's Hot and Bothered podcast recently, Dropping the clues bombs. You can check that out wherever you listen to podcasts and on YouTube. And we had a discussion about that whole women trusting a bear over a man scenario that y' all was debating about on social media a couple of years ago. And I know it sounds ridiculous in theory, but I get it, okay? Because with a bear, at least you know what you're going to get for the most part, all right? A bear is a wild animal, all right? It's behavior, for the most part, is pretty predictable. If that bear is not getting, you know, it's snap benefits. If that bear is a federal worker who hasn't been paid in 40 days and can't put food on the table for his kids, you in trouble. Okay? The moral of the story is bears attack when they are threatened, are hungry, all right? Humans, way too unpredictable, okay? It's a whole host of complex reasons a human might attack. And I don't got time to be playing guessing games with you niggers. So the bear it is. Okay, I get it. James Bowman is one of those examples that women will point to in order to say they trust the bear more. And who am I to argue? Okay? This man punched a woman in the face, bit her hand, and then when he got released six hours later, just six hours later, spun the block and went back to this woman's house and beat her up again. And this time, she was holding a toddler. Hey, I. I want to say something to these correctional centers, these correctional facilities. It's okay to keep people, okay? Bail is a privilege, not a right. All right? I hope that whatever judge he goes in front of now looks at the fact that he was granted bail and went and committed the same heinous crime within hours. And she was holding a toddler in her hand, and he did not care. Keep him. Keep him, okay? These correctional facilities have to start doing some real correcting. See, this brother is hurting, and as long as he's hurting, he's going to continue to hurt others. And you can't heal in the same place. You keep hurting people. So he needs to be away from this young woman, okay? If the first thing you do when you Walk out of jail for beating a woman is go right back to the person you just traumatized and traumatized them again. Oh, you don't need bail, okay? You need boundaries. You need a therapist, a Bible, and probably an exorcism. Definitely an exorcism. Trust and believe. If you can't break the cycle, the cycle will break you. And this brother is beyond broken. Please let Remy Ma give James Bowman III the biggest Hee haw.

[Angela Yee]

Hee haw.

[Caller/Guest]

Hee haw.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You stupid mother.

[Cartier Brown]

Are you dumb?

[Angela Yee]

I don't know.

[Cartier Brown]

I don't know his ass.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, Maryland is a big state.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, he. That's. Yeah, he right where he belongs.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's ridiculous.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, thank you for that. Donkey of the day.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Angela Yee]

And what's crazy is how fast they let people back out of jail from. For doing things like this.

[DJ Envy]

That's what a lot of people are saying with these new bail reforms. A lot of people get out for doing the same crime over and over and over again. So a lot of times it. It discourages police to lock them back up because like, they just gonna get back on the street.

[Angela Yee]

It's weird. Cause he could have killed her this.

[DJ Envy]

Time, the second time.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

And it's such a heinous crime. Like, you know, I think when you get out that fast, you should be like something traffic related or with your license, you know what I mean? But when it's something violent, it's just like, yo, within six hours you just out. Like, what? That's a little crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Makes no sense. Happens a lot. No, but that was donkey of the day.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now we was talking about reality with the King a little while ago with Carlos King and the whole Kirk Franklin conversation.

[DJ Envy]

Right? And they. I think we're talking about Kirk Franklin's sexuality.

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And, and, and just. I'm just sitting there thinking, and I'm looking at the chat and we was having a conversation about why do y' all care so much when a man is gay or if a man is gay?

[Cartier Brown]

Like, why?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What does it matter? Well, who that man is sleeping with don't make you skeet skeet. So what does it matter?

[DJ Envy]

Okay, let's open up the phone lines.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

800-5851-51 over there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ready to say the wrong thing?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, I'm not.

[Angela Yee]

No, I'm not. I'm saying you don't know people fetishes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But that's what I would.

[Angela Yee]

Another man. But that's the thing.

[DJ Envy]

Like, who cares?

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what I think. It's the same when you see a woman and you be like, damn, I wonder if she's single. Like, why you. Like, you want to know if she's single because you want to holl at her. So why you want to know if I'm gay so bad?

[DJ Envy]

But we know you are, but that's the question. 800-585-105.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What just happened?

[DJ Envy]

Why do people care if a man is gay? Let's open up the phone lines, huh?

[Angela Yee]

He accused you of being gay again.

[DJ Envy]

Again.

[Angela Yee]

Yes, it should be it, but it can't be anybody. It just gotta be a man.

[Cartier Brown]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cause don't nobody care when women gay.

[DJ Envy]

Nah, they don't really care.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, yeah, it does be cool too.

[DJ Envy]

So, yeah, nobody cares. All right, but. 800-585. 105 1.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The chat is crazy. Somebody said, so we can act accordingly around that person. What does that mean? What the hell does that mean? So you can act accordingly around the person. What does that mean?

[Cartier Brown]

Chat.

[DJ Envy]

What is.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What is According.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, let's discuss this. The Breakfast Club. Come on. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. If you're just joining us, Charlemagne came up with the question, why do people care if he's gay or not?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes. Because Lauren LaRosa, during the latest. She played the latest episode of Reality with the King from my guy, Carlos King. You can check that out on the Black Effect podcast network. And he was interviewing Kirk Franklin. And Kirk Franklin was on there having conversations. And I guess people think his son is gay.

[DJ Envy]

Well, he said he. Yeah, he said he. He. They questioned his sexuality. But Kirk Franklin is not gay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And people question Kurt sexuality. My thing is this.

[DJ Envy]

Kirk is not gay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who cares? Why do we care if another man is gay? It's 2025. Why are people still having this conversation? And it just got me to think, thinking, I think that these men be wanting to try the other man. That's why they want to know. It's the same thing when you see a woman and she look good and you're like, damn, I wonder if she's single. You know what I mean? So you get your mind ready to holl at her. So the guy be like, oh, shoot, I wonder if he gay. So you want to make sure you know before you shoot your shot. That's what I'm taking from this.

[DJ Envy]

Well, in the chat, they said. Because, you know, they said they want to make sure the chat is so stupid. They said, but they want to make sure they're not Sharing a blunt with you.

[Cartier Brown]

You.

[Angela Yee]

No, listen, yo, that is a real thing. I'm glad somebody said it, not me. Look, yo, so I have you before. Shut up, Envy. You know, that's not how it work because you ain't get it yet. So, look, yo, I was. I was. I was cool. I was real, real close with. With this gay dude, yo, and he smoked a lot, but he always had some good weed. But every time he roll, I ain't gonna hit it. You know what I'm saying? Because I know that he be me, you know, on the. So I'm like, so other girls be on the.

[DJ Envy]

Get in the.

[Angela Yee]

Nah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, you do. You smoke blunts with girls and them girls.

[Angela Yee]

I don't smoke blunts. Well, actually, I smoke blunts for myself.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[Cartier Brown]

All.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Angela Yee]

She gay. You know, so on the carpets. But like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So think about that. Think about how messy your vagina is. Is. And all of the stuff that come out your vagina. And you smoking. I'm just saying, women have natural discharge. You ain't got no problem smoking a blunt with a woman. And straight men and boy.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, but what about Girls. What about dudes that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Fresh off the bun?

[Angela Yee]

I'm not even in a. You act like I'm. I'm with a lot of smokers all the time. Like, I don't be smoking with a lot of people, yo. Like, why you trying to convict me? Like I be around a bunch of. A bunch of monsters. Like, nah, I don't. I. I know people. My sister, I smoke with her. I smoke with my husband. I don't smoke with. I don't do that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You smoke with bottom feeders before in my life. And a bottom feeder is somebody that eat. Okay. And. And men, straight men poom. And they boonky. You ain't got no problem sharing a blunt with them.

[Angela Yee]

But you just never talking about this weed thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, that ain't the weed, man.

[Angela Yee]

You just never know how many. You know how many things be gobbling. You just never know.

[DJ Envy]

Now let's go to the phone line. Hello? Who's this?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Hello?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, this. Cedric.

[DJ Envy]

Cedric. So. So why you want to know if. If a guy is gay, bro?

[Caller/Guest]

I mean, it's not like I want to know, but if I do know, it's like, you know, you kind of act different. It's the same. But you're not gonna talk like how you talk to a regular straight dude or, you know, do certain things.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why not?

[DJ Envy]

What you gonna change up?

[Angela Yee]

But look, though, are you gay or are you straight?

[Caller/Guest]

Sagic, man, I'm straight, bro.

[Cartier Brown]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right, cool. I don't understand why you think. Why do we think that gay men are a. A different species of human? Like.

[Caller/Guest]

Like, no, it's not. It's not for real. I ain't got nothing against. It's not be kind of. It's kind of weird when you, you know, you can't just talk about it anything.

[DJ Envy]

Why don't you go act differently? Like, what.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What. How.

[DJ Envy]

How would you act differently?

[Charlamagne tha God]

How would I like differently?

[Caller/Guest]

I mean, like, you know, we talk. Talk about girls or whatever. You know, they. They not into all that. So you really just saying, right?

[Angela Yee]

But he talking about the conversation, so if he's talking about. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, I'm about to go and jump up in something. Well, I was in. I was in it, and shorty was none of that. And he like, nah, I can't relate, cuz.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, but gay men make good wingman. That gay man be like, you. You want me to go say something to her for you?

[DJ Envy]

That's how they talk.

[Cartier Brown]

Oh, that's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's the voice I was doing. The voice.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, that's how you talk.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That was just my regular neck.

[Angela Yee]

Your shoulders went up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Go to the next.

[Caller/Guest]

But hey, no, I just want to say my love, y' all show, man. I've been trying to get me to y'.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All.

[Cartier Brown]

I'm finally seeing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Thank you, Cedric. We appreciate you, man.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Young throw monster in the making.

[Angela Yee]

Hey, yo, you're tripping.

[Caller/Guest]

Yo, this is key.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's up?

[Lauren LaRosa]

You gay or you straight?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Man, shut up. Conversation.

[Angela Yee]

We trying to get.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, we not. We just asking a question.

[Caller/Guest]

I don't care about that question.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

Now, why do people care if a man is gay?

[Caller/Guest]

All right, so from my experience, I feel like a lot of people have the conception of us being soft. Soft not in a way of us liking guys, but soft in a way of we take everything offensively and pretty much the stigma that you see on tv. I know for me, a lot of times when people find out I'm gay, they're like, you're the coolest gay person I ever met. And that's. And not all of us fall in that concession of we get easily offended. We feel some type of way. Like what Jeff said the thing about not.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Not a female can't have babies.

[Caller/Guest]

I wasn't offended by that and I felt like that was the truth. That should have been nothing that should have been taken offensive to begin with.

[Angela Yee]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Appreciate it.

[DJ Envy]

You know what I really don't understand because cuz.

[Caller/Guest]

What.

[DJ Envy]

What's. What's the problem?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like what.

[DJ Envy]

What's the difference? Like, I see in the chat. I see in the chat. I see people like y. I don't want my gay homie jumping on the table doing a split. I don't want my straight homie jumping on the table doing the split either.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now I'm going tell you something. No, I. I disagree. If you can do a split in the air, like what's little homie name that was on cos and not scream chat. What's homie name? That was impressive.

[DJ Envy]

If you can do that, do it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't care what he is. If you come Ty Lil. Yes. If you can do that, that's impressive. I don't care if he's getting not. My point is you said that you wouldn't want your straight homie doing that. I disagree.

[DJ Envy]

If you can be doing it, I'm the one being a club that jump on the table doing the split, bro.

[Charlamagne tha God]

If you that acrobatic and you that flexible, do it. And you should be back up dancing for Chris Brown. Fly Little. What's his name? Ty Little. Ty Little got some superpowers that he's not using to his great capabilities. That is impressive.

[Angela Yee]

He had a split in the end.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I'll be telling all my homies. Yo, watch, homie. Yo, Ty Little do that thing. Yo, jumping to Angel. That was impressive. I don't care what y' all say. Y' all kiss my ass.

[DJ Envy]

We got Omar on the line. Omar, what's up?

[Angela Yee]

He's so unserious.

[DJ Envy]

Omar.

[Angela Yee]

Omar. What's up, baby?

[Caller/Guest]

What's going on, Jeff? Yo, what's up?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Peace. Omar just think all Omar is a game because of the wire.

[Angela Yee]

No, I don't think all Omar is gay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What? This crowd, man. Get out of here, man.

[Caller/Guest]

First of all.

[Charlamagne tha God]

First of all.

[Caller/Guest]

And reaching out to everybody in Jamaica, sending love and peace for the storm that's going out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Caller/Guest]

I speak to my mom while the storm was blowing over, and I was here all night with her on the phone.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Caller/Guest]

To the topic.

[DJ Envy]

You don't know what he said?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, I did. He said that he's shouting out everybody that got hurt in this storm in Jamaica. And he was on the phone with his mom while she was going through the storm the whole time.

[DJ Envy]

See, I like that.

[Caller/Guest]

God, brother, bless you. Bless us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Caller/Guest]

I had a friend, man. Well, not a friend, this guy.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, now he noticed.

[Cartier Brown]

He a friend almost.

[Caller/Guest]

Well, I say a friend, you know what I'm saying? But he used to hang out with all the friends, the girls, man. Some cry all the time. He was real girly, you know, we used to pick on him. We messed with him, start dudes. And he was a bit of a blocking because every time we was around with the girls, you know what I mean? So we used to pick on him. Few years later, I went back to Jamaica. This man had six kids, man. I. I couldn't believe it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, that's what you get for judging. That's what you get for stereotyping that, man.

[Angela Yee]

You thought he was gay.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

I ain't stereotype, man. If you suck your finger and cry all the time, man, there's something wrong with you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah, but that don't got nothing to do with being gay. Just because you suck your thumb don't mean you sucking.

[DJ Envy]

Can't say what finger you suck.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, yeah. Don't put nothing in your mouth, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So you don't smoke weed? Don't you smoke a big spliff? A big fat spliff?

[DJ Envy]

Jesus.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, Charlie, come on, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, but you just said don't put nothing in your mouth. I need y' all to be consistent and make sense. All right?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Come on.

[Cartier Brown]

What you being.

[Angela Yee]

You being, like, purposely descriptive like that. Like, extra. Like big, fat, long splits. Like, come on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Y.

[Angela Yee]

What you talking about?

[DJ Envy]

This show is gay. Hello?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who's this?

[Caller/Guest]

What's up? This is Jasmine from the Bronx.

[DJ Envy]

Hey, Jasmine.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, Jasmine.

[DJ Envy]

Why do you care if. If men say if they gay or not?

[Caller/Guest]

I actually don't care. I think it's weird when people care about other people's sexual preference. I say that I agree with Charlemagne.

[Cartier Brown]

It's the same thing with.

[Caller/Guest]

With parents caring about their children's sexual preference. It's just weird if it ain't true. Why you care?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why do you care?

[DJ Envy]

Man, I'm with you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Thank you for calling.

[DJ Envy]

But, Jasmine.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You think Charlamagne gay?

[Angela Yee]

Don't even answer that because you don't care.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Jasmine, remember what I said earlier? I hung up on these men that. These men that want to know if other men are gay. Envy want me to say yes so he can try me. Remember?

[Caller/Guest]

Envy got low key. Envy got a crush on you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know. He came up in the 90s in New York, and as we. As we found out over the years, the 90s in New York might have been gayer than Atlanta in the 2000s. Goodbye. Oh, no.

[Angela Yee]

Nothing gets gayer than that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I'm. No, no, no. It's just more openly gay in Atlanta. New York, a little different. New York is. Oil up your ankles, sneaky. Oil up your ankles. Let your tips tap.

[Angela Yee]

Nah, see, that's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's so brutal. You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? Well, before.

[DJ Envy]

Before we get to the moral. I do not have a crush on Charlamagne.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But go ahead.

[DJ Envy]

What's your. What's your moral of the story?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

What you mean, what?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You don't have a crush on me.

[DJ Envy]

I don't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But that don't mean you not gay. You got a crush on somebody. I am not.

[DJ Envy]

I am not gay. You have a crush on me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But go ahead.

[DJ Envy]

What's the moral of the story?

[Charlamagne tha God]

The moral of the story is who cares where another man is putting his penis? It's 2025. It's about to be 2026. Y' all really gotta stop giving a damn about that. And I'm telling you right now, for all of you men that keep wanting to know if a man is gay, I'm just gonna assume you want that man, man. You want to know if that man is gay for your own Personal benefit. That's all. I'm going soon from now on.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, so what if a girl want to get to know a guy, right? But he did the thing with the dudes back in the day, but he don't do that no more. Should she not know that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, it's the same. No, it's the same thing as when a girl try to holla at you and you married, you'd be like, no, I'm married. So if the girl tried to holler at the gay guy, the gay guy just be like, nah, I'm gay.

[DJ Envy]

Or I'm bisexual.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

No, no, no, no, no, no. But that's the thing. What if he not now. Like, what if he like. But that was in his past. Like, he was. He was doing the thing with the dudes back.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He the pee before.

[Angela Yee]

And you want to know I'm talking about he did the bent.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Yeah, he delivered.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He delivered.

[Angela Yee]

Like. Yeah, he was delivered back on the other side of the fence.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, that's different. And I don't got to tell you about my past.

[Angela Yee]

Okay. I was gonna say, should he let.

[DJ Envy]

Her know or until they go to the club and homie come up to.

[Angela Yee]

You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

And be like.

[Angela Yee]

And then. Yeah, like I had before. Like, what if a come up to you? How you say that taste when you kiss him?

[DJ Envy]

You like, oh, whoa. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Hey, yo, shorty, Tell me how my tastes, you know, so situational, yo.

[DJ Envy]

My goodness. All right, all right. We got the latest.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The Lauren coming up.

[DJ Envy]

Don't move, Mr. Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. Ah, man. Salute to everybody on the Breakfast Club chat. You can always tune in. We start at about 8am and it's the breakfast club am on twitch.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I like the chat today.

[DJ Envy]

Chat's full.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Funny as hell, man. Chat said Lauren built like Taylor Swift.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Oh, wow.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They said, who I built?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, that's crazy.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You.

[Angela Yee]

She got a little bit ass. Like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don'T disrespect Taylor like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She told me, dummy. Let's go, Envy.

[DJ Envy]

Let's get to the latest.

[Angela Yee]

Lauren becoming a street fat.

[DJ Envy]

She gets them from somebody that knows somebody.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Somebody gets somebody details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She be having the latest on.

[Caller/Guest]

The.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Latest with Lauren LaRosa.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Sometimes you have facts. Sometimes you have details. Sometimes she have a little bit everything. Well, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club. LL Cool B. What's up, y'? All?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Okay, y'.

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We have some beautiful Love news, because Terence J. And model Mikayla Sultan are officially married. Married.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Dropping a clues box with Terrence James. What's her name?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Michaela.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Michaela, I believe.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm sorry.

[DJ Envy]

They got married in what? Dubai.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm married in Dubai, and it has been days of events. I saw they did a yacht situation and, you know, all of the things. They were married at the Atlantis over there. And Anthony Anderson actually officiated the wedding. Let's take a listen to Anthony. Anthony Anderson, by the power vested in.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Me, it is with delight and honor to announce you husband. Husband and wife. What God has joined together, let no one separate. Terrence, you may now kiss your bride.

[DJ Envy]

Congratulations.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't know Anthony Anderson could do that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You can. You can get the like.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, like a certificate.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You gotta be ordained and all that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He's not a minister or anything like that. No, because.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, I don't know how ordained to do.

[DJ Envy]

You could get married beforehand, and this could be the ceremony that he could have did that before when they were back. Back in Miami. They probably did it in Miami in the States.

[Angela Yee]

I ain't gonna say anybody can marry somebody, but my God sister do that. And like, she. It was easiest. I think it's like a couple classes that you take at a church, and then you can officiate weddings.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You got to get ordained. And I thought you had to get, like, a registration and like a license and thing. I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

I thought you could get the license beforehand and just go with the ceremony. Like, they probably did it back in the States, Right?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Gotcha.

[DJ Envy]

Because it's in Dubai, so they probably did that already.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And this is just for show.

[DJ Envy]

The show got you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And as they walked up out to the actual ceremony, TI Actually walked them out. The groomsmen and they walked out to bring them out. And then TI Actually performed at the reception of the wedding as well, too. Let's take a TI Let me tell you something. Good Time Terence and. And the whole crew, they were such a good time. I know they had a great time.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

T.I. is my top seven favorite rappers of all time. And there's nobody that I want to see in a versus more. Okay? I want. I need TI In a versus, cuz I am sick of y' all acting like. Like, TI don't have one of the best catalogs. I don't know. TI And Wayne. I like that one. Just. I do like that. I like the TI Versus Lil Wayne. I really do. But I just want to see TI in the versus Okay, T. I got Records, you hear me? What you know about that rubber band, man. Doughboys in the trap. Bring them out. Live your life. I mean, he got joint asap. Oh. Oh, yeah. Swagger like us. Definitely. Whatever you like. Oh, motivation crazy. Oh, continue.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right. Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Now, in other grades 24, big things popping.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

What's up?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What's happening?

[DJ Envy]

Keep going.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Netflix. So this came out yesterday and we wanted to send some congratulations over to the cast. Netflix has officially ordered a sequel to the sitcom A Different World. So this new series will be centered on the daughter of the original characters, Dwayne, Wayne, and Whitney. And I also saw that Ms. Debbie Allen is involved as well too. So that'll be coming to Netflix soon.

[DJ Envy]

You said the second season.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, I said they. They've ordered like it's coming to. Like it's happening on Netflix.

[DJ Envy]

Gotcha.

[Angela Yee]

Ms. Debbie Allen is involved. That's dope.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, she talked about it when she was here on breakfast.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, she did. But isn't the announcement came out what they call what the dame Dash called the trades? The announcement came out in the trades yesterday.

[Cartier Brown]

Oh, they've been announced?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, yes. No, yesterday. I'm not doing this with you. In other news, moving on, when she was here and it was in conversation then it's officially ordered and released yesterday as of Netflix.

[Angela Yee]

Thank you, Lauren. That is the latest.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Based around HBCUs. I love it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

100. In other news, speaking of conversations, we've been talking about people who they're dating and who they are in bed with or not. Kevin Gates shared some thoughts that got some people going yesterday on why men want to date younger women. Let's take a listen, man.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Don't know want no old washed up ass man. What don't want a young man. You don't like it? Eat my man. Straight up. What want something that been. You heard me have emotion.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We ain't going to the used car line, man.

[Cartier Brown]

What the.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

But see that beat that.

[Cartier Brown]

Won't be nothing but that.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Washed up on that. Like, hey, yeah, old enough to be your daddy.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

Got sense enough to know how to listen.

[Angela Yee]

Be so weird. I'm so sorry. Like, just be so weird.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But yeah, that's not a used car. That's a. That's. That's. You got to look at that like fine wine. You know, wine gets better with time. You know, cognac gets better with time. You know, some antique cars, you know, are worth way more than some of these new cars. That's his preference.

[DJ Envy]

19948 series BMW CSI that I just drove Yesterday. Yes, that's a Chevy Chevelle 1970.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what I'm saying. Kevin ain't looking at the same 40 plus, 50 plus years old that I'm looking at, because I'm taking Angela Bassett over.

[DJ Envy]

Any of you 23 plus.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, he want the little Honda coupes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No. Yeah, he.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, he had the baby Sonatas.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And for all the men that were, like, arguing in the. In defense of what he was saying, what makes men think that just because you're older, you're the better choice either?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, talk that talk, Lauren.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm just saying because I feel like.

[Cartier Brown]

Like good.

[Lauren LaRosa]

A good person. Whether a man or woman doesn't come with age. That's a personal choice. That's personal development. Like, there's a lot of things that go into that. Men think just because they get older, y' all are like the golden prize. I hate that conversation.

[Angela Yee]

Y' all done ran through half the country. Y' all are old and washed up, too. And. And. And y' all want somebody to deal with that. What you talking about? You've been burnt, fried, died, laid to the side.

[DJ Envy]

Now you burnt, fried, laid to the side.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What are you talking about? I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

J.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Down here. Salute to Stephanie Mills. Stephanie Mills, Angela Bassett. Okay. I'm just saying. Okay, I don't, you know, I don't know what he looking at, but these. These 40 plus, 50 plus, 60 plus is killing these youngins out here.

[DJ Envy]

That crew you just named 60 plus and.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And fine and sexy. See, that's the thing. Sexiness comes with age.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, you know, we were just talking about that when I was prepping for this segment. I was like, I think you wasn't talking about you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right, when we come back, we.

[DJ Envy]

Got the biggest choice mix. 800-585-1051.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Y' all so mad.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a salute to Cartier Brown, the chef and Food network host. She came, talked about her new cookbook.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So delicious, she's got a new cookbook called make do with what you have. 100 delicious new recipes from favorite old school meals. She got other books out, too. She's a New York Times bestseller. But I'm gonna tell you something about Cartier Brown. Her food is really good. She's got a restaurant in the Charleston International Airport called Cartier Brown Grounds, Sovereign Kitchen. And you know how you be flying out somewhere, huh? You want to get to the airport early, like I always want to get to the airport early, especially when it's in the morning, just to go to, you know. Oh, absolutely. And she. When I was home, I was home. When was I home last? I mean, I'm always home, but one time I was home this year, I can't remember when she had made me some seafood salad with the red rice with the turkey sausage. Oh, my God. Okay.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. Salute to Cartier Brown. Man, she gets busy.

[DJ Envy]

Well, I want to salute to everybody I seen last night at the Record Room, which is a spot in New York on me. Yeah. In Queens, New York on Tuesday. They do nothing but R B. So my daughter celebrated.

[Angela Yee]

Laura supposed to been taking me there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yo, but go ahead.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, my daughter celebrated her birthday, which is this Thursday. So, you know, they only do R B on Tuesday. So they all went out and I popped up on them last night and had a great time. They play everything army.

[Cartier Brown]

It just.

[DJ Envy]

It's just a vibe. They play new stuff from Leon Thomas to. To Bryson Tiller to New Edition. It's like.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's just funny how just be saying somebody supposed to take her somewhere, but it'd be her that don't want to go. So that's never show up. Tell them again.

[Cartier Brown]

Lauren didn't say it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Lauren. You hear what Lauren said?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I will literally be like, hey, Jess, we're doing extra Fashion Week. Hey, Jess, remember you said you wanted to have drinks? I made the reservation. Hey, Jess, Breaking Room is happening on Tuesday. I called the owner, made reservations for us. Oh, Jess, I done called the owner of Brooklyn Chop Out Shout out to Don Poo. Didn't set it up for us.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Pool.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Jess don't ever want to go nowhere, y'.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All.

[Angela Yee]

I do be wanting to go places. Lauren goes late and Charlemagne goes to a lot of nasty places. So I don't like to go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Where do I go?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

I don't even.

[Charlamagne tha God]

First of all, I don't even go nowhere. No.

[Angela Yee]

When you trying to go out to eat, yo, you pick the worst places, and it's always A in. But let's go to, like, what? Red Roof Inn. The Burger in the Steak Inn. It's like, why we always eating in a hotel? Why you always doing that to me?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Salutes again. Everybody came out. It was a late. It was girls night out. And I popped up on him last night.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He was on. He was on brand.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, shut up. And salute to Mercedes, who was. Is my assistant gym. She actually walked me out because I didn't have security last night. So she walked me to the car.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was like, yo, she was out there. Been 6 foot 9 with a size 12 in men's.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She would have pulled out. Something happened.

[Angela Yee]

And see, that's why men be wanting.

[DJ Envy]

To know, let's get busy.

[Angela Yee]

That's right.

[DJ Envy]

Basketball, too. She boxed somebody to f out hands.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Big as hell and be screaming, hands in the air. And Ben's handling business.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. Crazy.

[Angela Yee]

That's what I'm saying. That's why people be wanting to know if a man is gay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, it's night time, though, so it's night. All you see is, you know, envy walking with this big shadowy figure you like, I gotta be security. I get it.

[DJ Envy]

Salute to Ben. She set everything up for me. Thank you, Benz. Now, where you gonna be at this weekend?

[Angela Yee]

I'm gonna be in Toledo, Ohio, y'.

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Angela Yee]

So get your ticket. Saturday is almost sold out. We still got tickets available for Friday, both shows. I'm doing meet and greet at the late shows on both days. Jessalarisofficial.com in the Perrysburg area, guys. So get your tickets if you have. Not yet. I can't wait to get there. Ohio.

[DJ Envy]

Who lies more Charlemagne when he say he gonna go out or just when she said she gonna. Gonna do a signage after a meet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And greet after, definitely just with the.

[Caller/Guest]

Meeting.

[Angela Yee]

And then come back one day. Like, man, I couldn't even do it because it wasn't set up.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all didn't have masks on.

[Angela Yee]

I was too tired.

[DJ Envy]

The shows are too close.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They have doors.

[DJ Envy]

They have doors.

[Angela Yee]

Shut up, y'.

[Cartier Brown]

All.

[Angela Yee]

Anyway, get your ticket shot. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm gonna take some pictures with y'.

[Cartier Brown]

All.

[DJ Envy]

I got y' all all right. You got a positive note, Charlotte.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes, I do. And I just want to tell y', all, man, life is too short to waste any amount of time on wondering what other people think about you, okay? If they had better things going on in their lives, they wouldn't be thinking about you in the first place, okay? They wouldn't have time to sit around and talk about you. What's important to me is not others opinions of me, but what's important to me is my opinion of myself. That is a fantastic quote that I Love from C. JoybellC. Have a great day, Breakfast club.

[Caller/Guest]

Y' all finish or y' all done?

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[Cartier Brown]

All.

[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Cartier Brown]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Cartier Brown]

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[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Yet, here are 15 reasons why you should.

[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Cartier Brown]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Cartier Brown]

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[Ashley Nicole Moss]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

4.

[DJ Envy]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[DJ Envy]

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