FULL SHOW: White House NOT Pardoning Diddy, Young Thug Offers To Help Kevin McCall, Free Reveals Story About Aaliyah + Debbie Allen & Garcelle Beauvais Interview

Summary

The Breakfast Club — Episode Summary

Date: October 22, 2025
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guests: Debbie Allen, Garcelle Beauvais
Main Themes: Government shutdown impacts, Diddy pardon rumors, hip-hop industry struggles, pop culture icons, activism, and representation in media.

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Overview

This episode of The Breakfast Club weaves together major political headlines, celebrity news, and in-depth interviews with two legendary Black women in entertainment: Debbie Allen and Garcelle Beauvais. The show delivers its signature mix of real talk, humor, and topical engagement—tackling issues from the ongoing government shutdown and its effects, to rumors of legal maneuvers involving hip-hop moguls, hardships in the music industry, and uplifting stories of legacy and representation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Front Page News: Government Shutdown & Trump Era Drama

Timestamps: 05:17–11:10; Donkey of the Day: 81:37–89:38

• Government Shutdown Crisis:

  • Day 22 of the shutdown; millions affected, from federal workers to SNAP recipients. Federal courts and services scaling down.
  • Both Congress and the President are at loggerheads; Trump refuses talks until the government reopens.
  • Mimi Brown details the ripple effects: missed paychecks, halted food aid, economic anxiety.

• Trump Seeks “Reparations” for Himself:

  • Trump files for $230 million from the Justice Department for “damages” related to past investigations.
  • Charlamagne expresses both disbelief and dark amusement, dubbing Trump a "favorite movie villain":

    "Man, if he wasn’t the president in real life, he’d be my favorite movie villain. ...Trump wants reparations, and he’s going to get it because the Justice Department is his." – Charlamagne (09:37)

  • Later, Charlamagne calls out the administration’s priorities:

    “The only thing President Trump cares to make great is his bank account, okay? The only thing he puts first is himself.” (88:36)

2. Caller Check-In: Real-Life Struggles During Shutdown

Timestamps: 11:33–18:56

• Juice’s Job Loss:
  • Caller “Juice” shares he’s just been fired, plans to pick himself up, and hosts encourage him.
  • “I’m one of the hardest workers in America.… I love your spirit. God got you, my brother.” – Charlamagne (13:38)
• Federal Worker’s Perspective:
  • Caller Crystal reveals paycheck delays, financial anxiety, and the deep impact on households with multiple federal incomes.
  • “I know people that are taking out personal loans... people don’t realize... one missing check throws everything off.” – Crystal (17:39)

3. Diddy Pardon Rumors Debunked

Timestamps: 19:10–22:40

• Latest with Lauren LaRosa:
  • White House forcefully denies TMZ’s report that Trump may commute Diddy’s sentence.
  • Discussion about Trump’s transactional history with pardons and reports he may avoid helping Diddy due to potential backlash from his base.

4. Industry Struggles: Kevin McCall’s Story & Young Thug’s Gesture

Timestamps: 23:55–32:16

• Kevin McCall on Hard Times:
  • McCall goes public about being on EBT, claims Chris Brown owes him royalties, and bemoans industry pay disparities.
  • Young Thug offers to give him $25,000 directly—a moment of solidarity.
  • Hosts discuss fame’s unpredictability, the importance of having a fallback, and how the economic climate is squeezing everyone.

5. Debbie Allen Interview: Legacy, Representation, and Art as Activism

Timestamps: 41:31–72:08

• On Legacy and the Dance Academy:

  • Allen highlights her focus on nurturing future generations of artists, emphasizing the impact of arts education, her school's broad outreach, and the difficulties Black children face accessing the arts.

  • “Legacy, I think, has to do with the future and what seed you plant that helps people find their way.” – Debbie Allen (42:37)

  • Allen recaps persistent challenges: nonprofit restrictions, fundraising, and keeping programs accessible.

• Cultural Exposure, Mentorship, and “A Different World”:

  • Allen reflects on TV’s power to shape young minds and recounts how “A Different World” was reoriented to become more relevant and activist under her leadership:

    “We could no longer do shows about people walking around holding eggs. We had to do shows that were culturally relevant, socially responsible, and still a lot of fun.” (66:28)

  • On “Fame” and arts-work ethic:

    “You don’t get to get there and stay if you haven’t done the work. ...You have to do the work.” (56:06)

• Kobe Bryant, Dance, and Continuing the Work:

  • Touches on her relationship with Kobe Bryant, his support for her academy, and the broad legacy of disciplined creativity.

• Barbie Tribute & Representation:

  • On getting her own Barbie:

    “It was like getting an Oscar... I was just so touched because I knew this had more to do with young people than anybody.” (59:35)

• Notable Moment—Asked About Twerking:

  • “My husband is always on me to stop doing it... I can do it at home but not out.” – Debbie Allen (71:26)

6. Garcelle Beauvais Interview: Black Girl Missing, Departing Housewives, and Advocacy

Timestamps: 90:15–109:39

• Moving Beyond Housewives:

  • Garcelle candidly explains her reasons for leaving:

    “I just couldn’t do it anymore. It was really hurting my spirit.” (91:31)
    “I’ve been really great about choosing me.” (92:03)

• Black Girl Missing Franchise:

  • Talks about producing and starring in Lifetime’s “Taken at a Truck Stop: A Black Girl Missing Movie,” emphasizing disparities in media attention for missing Black women and the importance of community-driven advocacy.

  • “I was sick and tired of seeing the disparity of when Black and brown people go missing, that we weren’t getting the same coverage, the same urgency.” (95:03)

  • Discusses community: building networks for safety, raising alarm early, and educating viewers about trafficking and abduction.

• Portraying Autism:

  • The movie includes autistic characters, aiming to de-stigmatize and accurately represent varying experiences.

• Media Gaps & True Crime:

  • Hosts connect her advocacy to national statistics and stories, underscoring the need for more equitable attention.

7. Pop Culture Roundup

Timestamps: 73:16–81:04; 109:45–118:49

• Michael Jordan Returns to TV (Sort Of):

  • MJ does a special “Insights into Excellence” series on NBC’s NBA coverage, aiming to “pay it forward” and share wisdom.

  • “I have an obligation to the game of basketball... to pass on messages of success and dedication.” – Michael Jordan (74:17)

• FREE’s Aaliyah Story:

  • Free from 106 & Park recounts narrowly missing being with Aaliyah on her final video shoot—a poignant, never-before-shared memory.

• Versus Battle: Cash Money vs. No Limit:

  • Hosts debate which hip-hop label would win a Versus battle, enthusiastically picking favorites and reliving classics:

    “I’m gonna have to go with Cash Money.” – Charlamagne (117:42)

• Viral Church Offering Video:

  • Fred Hammond defends Pastor Marvin Winans after a viral incident over a $1000 offering request.
  • Discussion centers on church fundraising pressures and the discomfort of assigning donation amounts.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the government shutdown’s real-life effects:

  “One check throws everything off. One missing check.” – Lauren LaRosa (17:59)

• On Trump’s self-reparations:

  “He wants reparations, Mimi, and he gonna get it.” – Charlamagne (10:14)

• Debbie Allen’s mission:

  “Creativity is the closest you can be to God, is to be creative.” (48:48)

• Garcelle on Black girls going missing:

  “We can tell you who the JonBenets are ... but we can’t tell you the names of the Black girls because we’re not featured like that.” (95:03)

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Important Timestamps

• 05:17 – Mimi Brown’s front page news: Gov’t shutdown details
• 09:37 – Trump on seeking payout from DOJ, hosts’ reactions
• 13:38 – Charlamagne consoles “Juice,” who lost his job
• 17:39 – Federal worker describes impact of shutdown
• 19:10 – Latest on Diddy pardon rumor
• 23:55 – Kevin McCall shares his financial hardships
• 26:30 – Chris Brown and Young Thug respond to Kevin McCall
• 41:31 – Debbie Allen interview begins
• 59:35 – Allen on her Barbie tribute doll
• 66:28 – Allen on revolutionizing “A Different World”
• 71:26 – Debbie Allen jokes about twerking
• 90:15 – Garcelle Beauvais interview starts
• 95:03 – Garcelle on “Black Girl Missing” franchise purpose
• 107:40 – Charlamagne and Garcelle on media disparity for missing Black girls
• 73:16 – Michael Jordan’s TV series
• 77:39 – Hosts discuss MJ’s interview approach
• 117:42 – Cash Money vs. No Limit “Versus” debate

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Tone & Style

As always, the hosts blend sharp social critique with humor and unfiltered conversation. Guests Debbie Allen and Garcelle Beauvais are celebrated with warmth and respect, their stories threaded with lessons on legacy, representation, and the importance of storytelling for Black communities. Candid audience calls, playful exchanges, and pointed analysis of current events round out the episode—making it a lively, timely, and essential listen.

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Transcript

[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

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[DJ Envy]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

So we're sitting like, oh God, what do we do? What do we do?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was dumb. People, do not follow my example.

[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Jess. Hilarious.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Wake that ass up.

[DJ Envy]

Charlemagne the God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace to the planet. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. Hump day. Good morning. How y' all feel out there? I feel blessed. Black and highly favored. Happy to be here. Another day to serve our beautiful listeners. Good morning.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. It's Wednesday, middle of the week. Hump day. How you feeling, Jess?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I feel good. God is good all the time. And all the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? God is good. Come on, now. Don't play. Don't play. We are here.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, sometimes. You know how you pray sometimes and, like, you don't know what to say. So if you feel like you get a bad grade on your prayer. But this morning, I was on fire.

[DJ Envy]

You was on fire.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What? What a. All day. I love when the words just flow and I be like, good. Thank you for taking away that little nervous spirit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you know what's so ill about that? God. God already knows what you need. So it's like we get down on our knees and, you know, we may not have the words, but God knows exactly what's in our heart. So let's try to do it however we choose to express. He. God already knows.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I know. I just don't like when I, like, stutter in my prayer. I don't know. I just. Something about that I don't like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, the only time your prayer is null and void is if you fart while you praying. What I want. Yes. A lot of y' all be getting down on your knees and y' all be praying and y' all fart mid prayer. That makes you pray null and void.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's in the Bible? Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

That is definitely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What book is that? Deuteronomy.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Deuteronomy. Hey, y'. All, he is always ready. He is crazy. Go ahead.

[DJ Envy]

Well, we got a great show for you today, man. The icon, the legend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God. My God.

[DJ Envy]

Debbie Allen will be joining us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me tell you something, man. Debbie Allen kissed me twice. I mean, good. You know, it was a sm. Honey, it was twice on. Twice on the cheek, like. And told me how sweet I am. Can't tell me nothing.

[DJ Envy]

He love.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

He love a whole black woman. Yes, he do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, I do.

[DJ Envy]

But she'll be joining us this morning. Salute to Barbie. They honored her with her own Barbie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Barbara.

[DJ Envy]

I said Barbie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Barbie.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You did say Barbara.

[DJ Envy]

They're honoring her with her own Barbie tribute collection doll. So salute to her also. Garcelle Bouvo. Bouvet. Or Bouvo Bouvet. Bouvet will be joining us. Garcelle Bouvet.

[Debbie Allen]

Fancy.

[DJ Envy]

Fancy. That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. She's in the movie business. So she's got a couple movies coming out on Lifetime. Taken at a truck stop. Taking at a truck stop, a black girl missing movie that comes out this Saturday, right? Yes, this Saturday on Lifetime at 8pm so she'll be here to talk about that.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, let's get the show cracking. We got front page news when we come back, so don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody. Is DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get in some front page news. Good morning, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning, Embi.

[Debbie Allen]

Jess.

[Mimi Brown]

Charlemagne. How y' all doing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How are you, Mimi?

[Mimi Brown]

Good, thank you. So this morning marks day 22 of the government shutdown. And for millions of Americans, the impact is getting harder to ignore. Across the nation's airports, frustration is also mounting. The FAA says nearly 19,000 flights were delayed and more than 1600 canceled between Saturday and Monday, with the worst backups in Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas and Newark. Air traffic controllers and TSA officers are still on the job, but without pay. And it's not just airports feeling the pain. This Friday, hundreds of thousands of federal employees, they will miss their first full paychecks since the shutdown began. And starting Monday, federal courts will begin scaling back operations, meaning civil and criminal cases could be delayed and staff furloughed as funding runs out. And another important deadline in just 11 days. Several states say they will no longer be able to fund SNAP food assistance, a lifeline for more than 42 million families. Meanwhile, lawmakers, they are still at a standstill. The Senate failed for the 11th time to pass a short term funding bill that would reopen the government to November 11th. And the House remains out of session. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, they have asked to meet with the president. But the White House says that Trump will not sit down with Democrats until after Congress votes to fund the government, something Democrats call impossible without his cooperation. When asked about it, the president doubled down, though, saying he will not negotiate until the government is reopened. Let's listen to what he had to say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, the country is so hot right now and they've never voted against, you know, continuation. They've never voted again. They've never done that. They're doing this because they have Trump derangement syndrome. But I will, I would love to meet, I would like to meet with both of them. But I set one little caveat. I will only meet if they let the country open. People want to go back to work. They want to be served. They want to. They need the services of some people, and a lot of people need the money, the payroll. So I'll do it as soon as they open up the country.

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah. Well, while Congress goes back and forth over when they will negotiate, the ripple effects are stacking up fast. Missed paychecks, halted food aid layoffs, federal firings, and experts warn the country is headed toward a crisis that we have never seen before.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So, yeah, in regards to the SNAP and food assistance man, I am an ambassador for the food bank in New York City. I also do work the Hope center in Charleston, South Carolina. So I would encourage everyone to find a food bank, a food pantry in your area and do what the government isn't doing. And that's tossed them a couple of. Couple of dollars if you have it to spare, because, trust me, things are about to get really real out here.

[Debbie Allen]

Absolutely.

[Mimi Brown]

And while millions of Americans are waiting for their next paycheck, President Trump says he's the one who's owed money, $230 million, to be exact. And he wants the Justice Department to cut the check. Yep. So he's filed a formal complaint seeking compensation for what he calls years of wrongful investigation, dating back to the Russia probe in 2016 and the Mar A Lago classified documents case. Now, both cases were dropped after Trump returned to the White House, but now that he's back in office, the President says those investigations hurt him financially and personally, and he believes that he is entitled to damages. Now, the tricky part is any payout would have to be approved by Justice Department officials that he appointed himself, including some of whom worked on the cases that we're just. We're talking about right now. So during a press conference at the White House, Trump joked about the unusual situation. Let's listen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But look what they did. They rigged the election. And as you know, we had, in one case, 60 Minutes had to pay us a lot of money. George Sloppadopoulos had to pay us a lot of money. And they already paid, you know, they paid me a lot of money because what they did was wrong. And, you know, when somebody does what's wrong now with the country, it's interesting because I'm the one that makes a decision. Right. And, you know, that decision would have to go across my desk. And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself. In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have.

[DJ Envy]

To decide how much you're paying yourself in damages?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I was damaged very greatly. And Any money that I would get, I would give to charity, man, if he wasn't the president in real life, he'd be my favorite movie villain. Do you hear me? Trump wants reparations, and he's going to get it because the Justice Department is his. He says I got to pay for.

[DJ Envy]

How much I'm going to give myself, which is a weird situation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That White House Bough Ballroom ain't gonna pay for itself. Trump really? Debo. What you got on his ballroom, homie? What you got on his plane? Okay, this is crazy. You realize how unprecedented this is?

[Mimi Brown]

We are in unchartered territory, for real. A sitting president asking his own administration to pay him millions for investigations.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He wants reparations, Mimi, and he gonna get it.

[Debbie Allen]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wish I could ask for reparations for myself.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, you can't pay you, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He gonna get every penny. Every dollar. His Justice Department. I'm essentially trying to figure out how much to write myself. Oh, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

[DJ Envy]

All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's unbelievable. Never seen anything like it.

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah, well, we will continue to watch that Justice Department. They declined to comment on that. So. Coming up at 7, a new study says we're giving too much of our energy away to texting. We'll tell you why. We'll tell you why and why that's taking a bigger toll on your energy than you think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'll tell you one thing. This second Trump term is make America Griff again. Okay? This is the great American Griff. Ain't even a Griff. He's just like, yo, give me me, man. All right? I need a little bit of everything.

[DJ Envy]

It hasn't even been a full year yet. You know what y'. All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all worrying about Project 2025. Wait till January 1st, and he all of a sudden, Project 2026 dropped.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly.

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, phone lines are wide open again. 800-585-1051 is the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is your time to get it off your chest.

[DJ Envy]

800-585-051. We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hello?

[DJ Envy]

Who's this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My name's Juice.

[DJ Envy]

Juice, what up? Get it off your chest, Juice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man, I just got fired from my job like, 20 minutes ago.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Damn. What you do?

[DJ Envy]

What you did?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I. I let these fools get the best of me. It was my fault what happened. I let all these Aldi's and Salkin Valley, Pennsylvania, get The best of me. Tell us what happened.

[DJ Envy]

What happened? Where did you work?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I worked at Aldi. You know, there's a dish. The food store.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. I worked with a distributor. Well, long story short, they kept messing with me. They kept. They kept. They kept, like, all right. They kept putting me in the freezer and tell me I was your best. Best forklift operator. But you giving me the worst room to work with the worst people. And you're doing it on purpose because you. They know how I get, and I let them get me like that. Well, listen, don't do anything crazy. You'll find another job.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, okay. You.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you're. What? Man, I'm one of the hardest workers in America. I'll get another job tomorrow. I just went and got some smoke. There you go. I got some Red Bull to mix in my do. Say, there you go. See, I'm. I'm. I'm 39 now. Back when I was 19, 29, I just went and hit the block. But I ain't doing none of that. All right? I'm just gonna go home, I'm gonna smoke on something, sip on something, and I'm gonna get a job by the.

[DJ Envy]

End of the week.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're gonna be fine, bro. I've been fired seven times in my life. Four times from radio. I already know exactly. I didn't. You'll be fine. Like, you'll be fine.

[DJ Envy]

Just don't do nothing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know I'll be fine. Oh, yo, yo, I called him before. I'm a dude that run the Black Men no Cheek cookout.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, the Cheeks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Black Memo Cheeks.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Black Men don't cheat cookouts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, Black men don't cheat.

[Debbie Allen]

Oh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was like, damn, where the Black. Black what?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Cheeks Black.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. Yeah. You got a lady? Who, me? Yeah. No, no. Oh, but you're just practicing good habits. So when you get you a woman, you're not gonna cheat on her. I got a great resume. All my exes and tell you I ain't never cheated. That's what I'm talking about, my brother.

[DJ Envy]

Well, go home, man. Don't drink and smoke yet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go home. Like you don't drink A smoker? Just relax.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm waiting till I get to the crib. I'm waiting till I get to the crib and roll up. You mean fall back? And then I bet you I'm gonna fill out six applications today. I'm gonna get five phone calls back tomorrow. That's what I'm talking about. I love your spirit. God got you My brother.

[DJ Envy]

Good luck, brother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you. Yeah, your strong. Pray for you, bro. Absolutely. Done deal.

[Debbie Allen]

All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good looking, y'. All.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

He is crazy over there. Gonna close his eyes like he praying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cuz I really did pray for him this time. I'm not one of these people that tell somebody I'm gonna pray for them and don't see. You know what y' all do? Somebody die and y' all jump online and be like, praying is up for the person. How about pray first?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Never ever say that. I say rest in peace or rest in power.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but pray for the person. Like, if he asked me to pray for him, I gave him a quick prayer just now.

[DJ Envy]

You know his name?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, but I said pray for the brother that just called him. God just heard the call.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He told exactly who I'm talking about. Pray for the brother that's smoking the weed and drinking the du. Say who just lost his job, guys. There you go. Okay. Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Pray for juice. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need the vet and hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Ray.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ray, Ray. Yo, Charlemagne.

[DJ Envy]

Envy, what up?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are we live?

[DJ Envy]

This is your time to get it off your chest.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I got an indoor pool.

[DJ Envy]

We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. We can get on the phone right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He'll tell you what it is.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hello?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's this? It's Olivia from Long Island.

[DJ Envy]

Olivia from Long Island. What's up? Get it off your chest.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God. First of all, I love y'. All.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I listen to y' all every day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm so happy to be on but over the limit this morning. What's up, Olivia? Who pushed you?

[DJ Envy]

Oh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who pushed you over the limit? Oh, my God. I can't believe we about to let the army fight.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He's letting him contact the entire US Of A. We cannot pay the federal and government US Workers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But we gonna let him. We gonna line him up to pay himself. I can't take it no more. I'm over the limit. Oh, man, think about this. Lining up to pay himself. Paying for that ballroom just gave $20 billion to Argentina. Uncle Charlotte say it ain't so.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I can't take it no more.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm over my limit. I can't take.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We got. We gotta. We gotta figure this out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We gotta get out of here. We need to respect the president.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I can't take.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, elections have consequences. That's all I can tell people. But, you know, I don't I don't know what else to tell you.

[DJ Envy]

Hello?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's this? This is Larry. What's going on? What's up, Larry?

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your chest, Larry.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How are you, Larry? I'm doing all right, mister. The guy. Yeah, my middle name is Larry. Listen, my thing is, America is a dump anymore, man. It used to be fun to live here. It ain't fun to live here no more. That's not true. Now, come on, cut it out now. We being a little crazy. So tell me a fun to play. Hey, look, this current administration is trying to kill us all. That is true. But hey, the poverty line used to be like 20k or something. I bet you the poverty line is about 50k now. Listen, the Madden level just on 99 right now. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, it's America. Hey, it's built for Tracy. Wow. This whole mental health thing is real.

[DJ Envy]

I got the book, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, I finished it, but I got it. I will. Thank you, my brother. I appreciate you, man.

[DJ Envy]

Hello?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's this?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hey, good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is Crystal calling from Norfolk. Crystal from.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Morning, Crystal.

[DJ Envy]

What's up, Crystal? I'll be out there this weekend. What's up with you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, good morning, y'.

[Debbie Allen]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good morning, Charlemagne.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Jess.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace. J envy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I just wanted to share. Like, I'm so frustrated with this situation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Going on with the government. I'm a federal worker.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I've been a federal worker for seven, eight years. We've been through this before with shutdown.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it has been nothing like this.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's so chaotic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I work in an operating room.

[Debbie Allen]

We are mandatory staff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We still have to come to work. And we know we not getting paid when. The last time you got paid, so.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We got a partial paycheck.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The last time we got paid, so it was two weeks ago. We got a partial paycheck, but my check was short almost $1,000. Lord have mercy. So did you. Were you able to take care of your rent this month and your car note and all that stuff like that? I was.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Thankfully.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm in a situation where my husband.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Works and he's able to take care of that stuff. But there are a lot of people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I work with that have two federal workers in their household.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know, they're both. Their incomes come from the federal government.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So nobody's getting paid.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I know people that are taking out personal consumer loans to take care and so they don't get in first.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think people realize, like, I think it's, what, 67% of the country is living paycheck to paycheck.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So they don't understand how this government shutdown is impacting whole households. Like she just said, one check throws everything off. One missing check. Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

No. I'm so sorry, Chris.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, I hear trying to work two jobs, trying to Uber, and then the cherry on the cake is it's still supporters of this administration at work.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And we got to sit there and.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Listen to them justify how it's the Democrats fault.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Like, it's ridiculous.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm so pissed off going to work this morning every day.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I know I'm not getting paid. It's getting harder and harder to go in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's what I don't understand, number one, I don't understand how Democrats are losing in the messaging game when it comes to something like this when Republicans control every, you know, branch of government. And I don't understand how those people even care whose part. Who. Whose fault it is when they just not getting paid. That's.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But anyway, thank y'.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

All.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I hope y' all have a good day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You for letting me b today.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No problem.

[DJ Envy]

Get it off your street.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's real out here, y'. All.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is really, really real out here.

[DJ Envy]

800-585-1051. We got the latest for Lauren coming up.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We do. With all that going on, the White House has had to take some time to respond to Diddy in the conversations about him being commuted.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, what they say? No, we going to talk about it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

When we come back. They. They said some things would have wanted.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Him to say no.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, oh, my God. Honestly, that'll be crazy.

[DJ Envy]

We'll talk about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

At this point, we wouldn't even care. Like, yeah, okay.

[DJ Envy]

Well, we'll get to that. Next, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Breakfast Club.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Lauren becoming a straight face.

[DJ Envy]

She gets them from somebody that knows somebody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Some. She gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She be having the latest on the biggest, the largest. The Latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes you have facts. Sometimes you have details. Sometimes she have a little bit everything. Well, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club. Talk to me, LL Cool Bay. Brandica, good morning. All right, now, you know, ICE running down on people for wearing counterfeit goods. Now, that ain't real. That ain't real rattlesnake you got on.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's F. It is F. Yes, it is. Because I care about our animals.

[DJ Envy]

Care about the animals.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You need to be can about not getting sick. And you look cute, you look nice. But put something on. I don't need you coming here coughing and sneezing and all of that. It's layered and it's October. Don't cough, Charlie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't do that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You're dirty.

[DJ Envy]

I don't even cover his mouth. You see that, right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, he don't cover nothing. He just all over there. All right, get into the latest because the White House has had to take the time to come out and dispute the fact that President Trump may be commuting Diddy this week. So you guys remember we've reported that TMZ spoke to a high ranking White House official who they say told them that as early as this week Sean Combs Diddy could be commuted by Donald Trump. So a high ranking White House official came out yesterday and said there is zero truth to the TMZ report, which we would have gladly explained had they reached out before running their fake news news. The president, not anonymous sources, is the final decider on pardons and commutations. Now, after this statement hit, TMZ went back and updated their story in their headline and they're standing by their report. So they posted the White House communications office is saying our story is not true. We stand by our story. Our story is accurate. And that headline and that update is still on the site as of this morning. Now I had reached out to the White House trying to get a statement from them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the hell? You know at the White House how you just reach out to the White House? I reached out to the White.

[DJ Envy]

You got connections.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go ahead.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dang.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But also there's a communication office. Okay, so the White House did not respond to me. I did try again this morning. Maybe it's because you're sleazy. You know they don't like you. But their. I thought that their email was interesting. Has nothing to do with Diddy, but I just thought it was interesting. Their email response that is automatic says due to staff shortages resulting from the democratic shutdown, the typical 24,7 monitoring of this inbox may experience delays. We ask for your patience as you work through this matter. As you await your response, please remember this could have all been avoided if the Democrats voted for the clean continuing resolution to keep the government open.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

The press.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The press.

[DJ Envy]

All that came in an email?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. The press office cannot accommodate requests or esque or emails at this time. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh yeah, that's on government websites and everything I'm saying. Yeah, they're messaging. You don't gotta like them as a party, but boy, their messaging is a one when they want to beat a narrative into your head, they will. And the narrative is the government is shut down down because of the Democrats.

[DJ Envy]

So Diddy is, is. We don't know if Diddy is might or might not be getting pardoned. Possibly it was on his desk, possibly it's not. We don't know.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So this happened before. Y' all remember that his attorneys reached out?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, they went on, they did interviews saying that they were having conversations with Trump and then they did other interviews probably the same week saying, oh no, no, no, we're not having conversations with Trump. I think that there is something happening behind the scenes but it keeps making news and somebody doesn't want it to.

[DJ Envy]

So it shouldn't make news. That's what I said the other day. Why are they talking about it? Just be quiet, do what you got to do and when it' you know it's done.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it true that they be charging for pardons? I don't know if that's a real thing, but I always hear that. Right. And it wouldn't surprise me coming from this administration, but I know whatever they charging they going to charge double for Diddy plus tax just because Diddy was been so critical of.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Trump.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. And there are some reports right now which I did reach out and ask the White House about. Haven't heard back yet. I saw a report that Trump is also considering taking this off the table and not doing it because he's worried about his response from his base because Diddy has like so publicly like dragged MAGA and him. They don't he. He's from the report. According to another White House source or official. He's taking this off the table because he doesn't want the backlash from the mega supporters. Yeah. Now in other news, Kevin McCall, he's talking about being on EBT right now because he says Chris Brown owes him money. Let's take a look.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Chris Brown.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah girl your man. Let's take a listen to Kevin.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got an EBT car and made 90 whatever the million and it KKK. Matt, can I get 25000 for them 4 songs I owe you bro. I just want to leave bro. Leading up to who he is. I'm not even tripping though. I got an EBT card like what the bro. I can't even get nothing bro. Man want to see crying here so I can think I'm a.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Fair.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm on Edt bro. Hey, that's why.

[DJ Envy]

Hey, calm down, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I had to go up in that, hide my face with a mask like Covid, bro, don't act like every. Every ain't had no more on the set.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And what's crazy is he about to have that. That is crazy. Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, yeah. Because everything that's happening with the government.

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah, right. That's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I respect the honesty, though. I mean, there's a lot of people in the industry probably in the same boat. And that's why I be encouraging folks to go to trade school. Absolutely. Because with the way the economy is going now, you about to see a lot more people in the industry having. Having to be honest like that. I thought Covid was going to be what, you know, pushed a lot of artists to that. But, you know, the PPP loans came in, the stimulus checks and all them other small business loans, and people was able to front a little while longer. But, boy, the way things are right now.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But Kevin McCall need a little bit more than, you know, trade school. He needs some help. Like, he need to see somebody. Ben needed help. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

But the crazy thing about this, they've been having this conversation for like 10.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

15 years about this.

[DJ Envy]

And Chris said he paid him, and Kevin said it wasn't paid. He wasn't paid. Right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Whatever the situation, Kevin be getting like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Royalties and publishing and all of that.

[DJ Envy]

Because his name is on Deuces. He's a featured artist on Deuces and he's a featured artist on Strip.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, well, there's some big records. I know them records made some money. They definitely got big royalty checking them records.

[DJ Envy]

Deuce is what, two, three times platinum. I think Strip is platinum. So. Yeah, but I just, you know, when you sign contracts, I don't know, you know, who signed off or what it was.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was about to say, you got to kind of know the business behind and how that was like, you know, set up whatever. Well, Chris Brown has seemingly responded. He posted on his Insta story last night. Night. Remember this? You can't walk across a burnt bridge. And you know what's funnier than a troll? A broke one with a like the side smiley face. Young thug also saw the interview and he posted to his ex account, Kevin McCall hit me. I'll give you the 25k you need. And I know CB would give it to you also, bro. He a real one. He said, people are just busy sometimes, my brother.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, Chris is right. You can't walk across a burnt bridge. But if. If I owe you, I don't know if he owes him or not. But if I do owe you, you, bridge burnt or not, I'm gonna still give you what I owe you.

[DJ Envy]

But they've been going back and forth for years, and it's been nasty. It hasn't been like, you know, hey, you owe me this money. Figure it out. Court like they've been he they've been nasty.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But even when it comes though, why not court like why you go to.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Legal route in other places? In the interview, he was talking about things even with like the first thing.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

The forces shaping the world's economies and financial markets can be hard to spot.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Even though they are such a powerful.

[Mimi Brown]

Player in finance, you wouldn't really know that you are interacting with them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And even harder to understand Donald Trump's.

[Debbie Allen]

Trade War 2.0 is only accelerating the.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Process of de dollarization, which in a way is jargon for people turning away from the dollar.

[DJ Envy]

That is where the big take from Bloomberg Podcast comes in to connect the dots.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How unusual is a deal like this? Unprecedented.

[DJ Envy]

Every weekday afternoon, we dive deep into.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

One big global business story. The biggest story of the reaction of.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

The oil market to the conflict in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Middle east is one of what has not happened.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Katie, you told me that ETFs are your favorite thing.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They are.

[DJ Envy]

Explain that. Why is that the case?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And unpack what it means for you. Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples.

[Mimi Brown]

And so they sort of become outsized indicators of inflation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the iHeartRadio.

[DJ Envy]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild, not twice, stunned, but three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our couple retreat from reality.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

They lose it.

[DJ Envy]

They actually lose it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They sort of went nuts until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Helen. Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. His daughter that he shares with Eva Marcel. And he says he hasn't seen her in like years. At this point, he was talking about to start the legal process. It's a couple hundred dollars, but financially he's dealing with so much other stuff. He says the last little bit of money that he got, he bought his mother a house and he paid whatever he back through child support. And he's kind of at his end right now, like, so I don't think, you know, financially it. He can do court right now.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Damn.

[Lauren LaRosa]

From how it seemed in this interview.

[DJ Envy]

So I'm sure Kevin. Kevin will be calling us later on today.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm saying Mama would have seen.

[DJ Envy]

He reaches all out. He reaches out all the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But with the last little bit of money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't remember what you mean what.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You thought he was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Check your Instagram.

[DJ Envy]

I guarantee you he hit you on your Instagram.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, I know Kevin. Kevin is cool, whatever. But you know, but the last bit. Check that he had. He bought his mother.

[Mimi Brown]

I was.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Mom would have been living with me especially if you. Was this a long time ago or was this.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He didn't specify the year. But I also, too, don't know what the circumstance was that his mom was like, you know what I mean, like, what her situation was that he needed to go, like, get her that crib with the money that he said he had.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All I know is, man, y' all better not look at that video and chuckle or, you know, anything, because that could be anybody at any given moment. What industry you in. I don't care what it is you do for a living. Living. That could be you in two seconds.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. Wishing him the best. I mean, and that he gets on the phone with Young Thug because it seems like Young Thug wants to help him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's good.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm proud of Young Thug for doing it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what's up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hopefully that helps him out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute to Young Thug.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. All right. All right. When we come back, we got front page news. That was the latest with Lawrence, the Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's DJ Envy.

[DJ Envy]

Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get back in some front page news. What's up, Mimi?

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning, Envy. Jarlamayn.

[Debbie Allen]

How y' all doing?

[DJ Envy]

Good morning.

[Mimi Brown]

Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right.

[Mimi Brown]

Well, we start this hour in New York City where a federal raid on Canal street erupted into chaos as ICE agents moved in and crowds fought back. Now, the sidewalks of Canal street, usually packed with vendors selling knockoff handbags and watches, turned 10. Witnesses say agents, they swarmed the area, ordering people to clear out a shop for and vendors, they scrambled to grab their belongings. Panic spread. People ran in every direction, some falling as they tried to get away and also shouting at officers. Now, federal officials say the operation was part of Homeland Security investigation into counterfeit goods, which agents from ice, the FBI, the atf, they were on the ground to help out with. But witnesses described the scene as a standoff with armed agents in military style training trucks moving through the area. Now, Department of Homeland Security says at least one protester was arrested for assaulting a federal officer. And the NYPD says it had no involvement at all in the raid. But by evening, protesters, they gathered outside of 26 Federal Plaza, where detainees were reportedly taken, calling the calling what happened a show of force, an unnecessary force and terrifying for immigrant workers. Now, at a press conference, city officials, they condemned the raid, calling it shameful and an overreach of federal power hour. Let's listen to that.

[DJ Envy]

There is no excuse for sending military style vehicles and a national law enforcement response for street Vendors.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

None of this is about public safety. It is about fear and chaos. Ordinary New Yorkers on their way home are coming home, stood up and said, what you were doing is shameful. And ice's response to that was escalation and violence.

[Debbie Allen]

Islands.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I didn't know ICE gets involved with folks over counterfeit goods. Like, ain't no.

[DJ Envy]

Well, it's illegal immigrants. They're saying that people that are selling the counterfeit goods are illegal immigrants.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I never noticed that. I'd be down. We'd be down there all the time. We used to work down there. I never, you know, noticed they were illegal immigrants.

[DJ Envy]

But, I mean, you don't know who's illegal immigrant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't know who's illegal. We don't check people's paperwork.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What is an illegal immigrant?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What I'm trying to say is I don't see a lot of mischief. Mexicans down there, y'.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I was trying to say.

[Debbie Allen]

Oh, wow.

[DJ Envy]

Not be Africans out there, though.

[Mimi Brown]

Yes, that's what they were. Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Some of them illegal, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is true.

[Mimi Brown]

They were asking for passports. They were asking for identification. Video shows, you know, people who look to be African being arrested, people who look to be Asian being arrested. So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's been going on for years. Like, they've never hid. Like, they out there in broad daylight. Like, they. They not hiding.

[DJ Envy]

Every once in a while, they run that. Like, cops are coming at everybody, just scatter. But, yeah, they've been there for, like, you said, forever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good. Laid out on the sidewalk, like, yeah, I do want y' all to know, too. If Mandani gets elected, you're gonna see stuff like that all the time. It's gonna be military in the street. It's gonna be ICE agents, every federal authority you can think of. I saw Trump yesterday speaking from the White House, and Trump was like, you know. You know, it looks like, you know, Mandani's gonna win, but, you know, remember, everything goes to the White House. And he was like, well, at least this White House, it does. I was like, damn.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it don't. By the way, everything's not supposed to go to the White House from. On a local level, but he's letting you know, when Donnie becomes mayor of New York City, we gonna be. We gonna be there.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm on your ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm on your ass.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Absolutely.

[Mimi Brown]

Well, yesterday's event wasn't an isolated incident in Los Angeles. There was a separate ICE operation that left two people shot, including a TikToker and a U.S. marshal. And in Chicago, another, another raid led to another dramatic scene. And in Chicago, they now have to wear or a federal judge has ordered them to wear body camera video to limit the. And limit the use of tear gas. So ice rays happening all over the country. And a warning for parents this morning. It's a game that millions of kids play every day. But Florida's attorney general says Roblox has become a breeding ground for predators. He's now issuing criminal subpoenas to the company, accusing the popular online gaming platform of failing to protect children from sexual predators. Now investigators say predators have used Roblox to communicate with and groom minors, even bribing them with the game's virtual currency, known as Robux, to send explicit photos and video. Now, experts warn, is part of a much bigger problem that stretches beyond Florida. The subpoenas will now allow prosecutors to dig deeper, searching for evidence tied to suspected predators victims and whether the company failed to report abuse or put proper safeguards in place. Now, roblox, which has 70 million daily users worldwide, says it takes safety very seriously. In a statement, the company said it blocks images and video sharing, filters private information, and uses AI tools to monitor harmful comment content. But still the pressure is mounting. Lawmakers in both California and Louisiana have already filed lawsuits accusing the company of not doing enough to stop predators. And dozens of families across the US are now joining in similar lawsuits.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That is crazy. Very crazy. But you know what? Shout out to the people. I don't know if you ever seen the people who take med into their own hands where they, they have this guy, these group of guys, they'll pose as kids like on these games and they catch predators like that. I don't know what they do with them, but like they catch them and then they act like they want to meet up with the person and then they actually stream themselves meeting up.

[DJ Envy]

I see that too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, they don't get hurt.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, yeah, because they're not. I mean I love the fact that they catch these nasty ass individuals but they don't get to the point. They're not police. I know they just dudes that's doing this. But yeah, they're gonna get themselves hurt. But yeah, I love the fact that they are catching these. These.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but they don't never catch them and beat their ass like, you know, that's the only thing I never used to like about Chris Hansen. It's like don't just catch him.

[DJ Envy]

Like no, no, sometimes they do.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And like it's a group of guys that they, they be doing It. But they also get locked up doing that too because they stream their self doing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, they need to get some white. White vigilantes. Yeah, yeah, get about three or four white vigilantes with them. You know, I mean, so it looked like a collaborative effort.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, I watch it all the time and I love the fact that they catch these people, but you know, I'm.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just like, I just need some ass whip, that's all.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, but they can still do it. These people need to be in jail, like trying to lure these kids and.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Drop them off to the police station.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got no problem with both forms of justice.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Mimi Brown]

And so while parents are worrying about how kids use technology, adults aren't. Aren't off the hook either. So a new study. I don't know if y' all do this, but I know I have been caught doing this. A new study says the way we communicate online may be stressing us out more than we realize. So if you've ever found yourself accidentally arguing with someone over text and suddenly you're five paragraphs deep and it's way too late to call, well, researchers say there's a reason that that happens. They found that arguments over text last three times longer and get four times messier than when people talk face to face. So the study, which was published in the Journal of Social and Relationships, it says that it all comes down to what's missing. Tone, body language, and real time feedback. Without those cues, messages can get misread, emotions run high, and what could have been a quick disagreement agreement now turns into a full blown text message message marathon. So have you guys ever found yourself like standing and still, like standing still just texting with somebody over an argument?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, because you forget certain things that, that you said, like, oh dang, I gotta say this. So yeah, you got to. And when you in. In the moment and you arguing with somebody face to face, you, you, you on the spot right there. Nah, you get. Let me give me like a couple minutes. I' ma send you some ish. Yeah. Get you out your rock.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You get stupid. But I need to call you. You know what I'm saying? I don't even like to argue over the phone. I need to look at you face to face and see you in the eye. You know what I'm saying? That's what I like. There's nothing better than that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I like both. But I like texting somebody and then blocking them so they can't respond. So when they see me, whatever, I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just caught somebody like that. Too. I've been waiting. I've been waiting a few years to catch this person. I caught him too, boy. I caught him. And I caught. And the crazy part is when they saw me, they was like, yo, I need to talk to you. And what threw me off is that they act like they had something to say to me. And I was like, how? What are. It felt so good to get it off. Oh, it felt so good to get it off.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you, Mimi.

[Mimi Brown]

All right, y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Mimi Brown]

Well, that is your front page news. I'm Mimi Brown. Follow me at Mimi Brown tv. For more stories, follow the Black Information Network, Download the free iHeartRadio app and visit binnews.com.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Thank you, Mimi.

[DJ Envy]

Now, when we come back, the icon, the legend Debbie Allen will be joining us, and we'll be talking to her next. So don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lorna Rose is here as well, and we got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A legendary, iconic guest. Some guests are special, some are legendary and iconic.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. And we have the ic, the legendary Miss Debbie Allen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Welcome.

[Debbie Allen]

Thank you. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How you feeling?

[Debbie Allen]

I feel really good. I'm on New York Times. I'm on New York air. I'm feeling good to be in New York. I like, I miss this city. Every time I come, there's so much happening. Saturday morning I woke up and there was this big protest outside the hotel. I heard all this noise and I looked down and there was like half a million people in Times Square.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Debbie Allen]

And then I went to new restaurants and saw new shows. Two new shows. I love New York, New York.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Condolences, too, on the loss of your mother.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, absolutely. Much.

[Debbie Allen]

I appreciate that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely. And I was. I was thinking about you when you was coming in, man, because, you know, you've built such a legacy, you know, Broadway, television, and film. When you think about the word legacy now, does it mean what you've done or who you've helped do it after you?

[Debbie Allen]

Oh, well, you know what? I would have to say who I'm helping, because that's real legacy. You know, I have so many hundreds of kids that I'm educating at the dance school and across around the world with the, you know, the Internet has allowed us to be international in the blink of, you know, we can have these IG classes. Yeah. Legacy, I think, has to do with the future and what seed your plan what path you have lit that helps people find their way.

[DJ Envy]

When you started dancing and you got into drama, did you know that that was gonna be your career? Did you know that? Was that? Cause even to this day, you know, I have kids. I was telling you that dance. And I always think to myself, well, what does dance take them to? But then when I look at your career, I'm like, there's no. There's so many possibilities. So did you ever think that that was gonna be a career?

[Debbie Allen]

I was determined at 4 years old that that was gonna be my career. Because we were watching television and we were watch musicals would come on every Saturday morning. And I so wanted to replace that Shirley Temple, honey.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I wanted.

[Debbie Allen]

I wanted that to be me going up and down those steps with Bill Robinson and all those glorious musical films. I saw myself in that world. And then it was a challenge to get the training in. In the segregated south where I grew up. But mom was always very resourceful and she found ways. And, yeah, I think children can see themselves. And this is why you have to make it possible for them by letting them see other things. I remember when mom wouldn't let me go to the circus because she wanted me to go and see this East Indian dance company. And I was kicking and screaming. I wanted to see those clowns and those lions. But when I saw that dance company, I saw a whole nother language of dance that I didn't know, had not seen. I was probably 8 years old. But this is why we have to expose our children to more, which is why right now we need more.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

More.

[Debbie Allen]

More education, more cultural problem programs for children, art programs. And just take them on those field trips, take them to see art exhibits, take them to see dance concerts or music concerts or, you know, little plays in at the Y. Anything that is outside of the box of the video games. Talk of it all and television. Mom used to make us think that the television was broke, so we would take our butts outside.

[DJ Envy]

That's what makes it so important to. Debbie Allen. Dance academy, right?

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

25 years. Congratulations.

[DJ Envy]

25 years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Congratulations.

[Debbie Allen]

Quite a landmark.

[DJ Envy]

Let's talk about what that means. Cause as I was saying, when I'm out there on the road with my daughters, a lot of times we don't see too many people that look like us.

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And a lot of that is not because we can't dance. It's because we can't afford it. The traveling, the costumes, the privates, it's a lot. And I didn't realize until I jumped in there My wife said, like, we need another check. I'm like, another check. I know, but it's so expensive. So talk about the importance of opening that school.

[Debbie Allen]

Well, the Debbie Allen Dance Academy is and cultural oasis that now has a middle school, has programs for boys, elders, cancer patients, but for young people, it is designed to be an open door for whoever it is that has the spirit of the dance can come through that door and find the class and I will get a program for you. I basically said no to competitions. I've been asked year after year after year. And I don't do them because I want children to compete with themselves. I want them to be in the classroom, I want them to be in the dance studio and see where are, where am I? Did I do that turn? Can I balance? Can I do the passe? Can I, you know, what is it that I'm learning? Can I do that tap break? And I think it's great. Like you say, the, the competition world is a great experience. It teaches children, children performance and a lot of things and does cost a lot of money. And so it would be not possible for so many of us. It's just not possible. So where I'm living, I am raising money every minute of my waking life to give more opportunity to the kids. I mean, right now it's very difficult with all the foolishness that's going on in Washington. Foolishness is going on with the non profit world. And I mean, you can't even write a grant now and say you're, you know, focused on brown and black children. You can't even say that. You can't say you're dealing with disabled. You can't. I mean, there's so many. This is ridiculous. So it means that we're going to just become more grassroots the way we were in the 50s, honey, because that's what it was. It was. You have to get your community together. And there's a big community of diverse people who want to see the arts prevail and programs prevail because that's the future. What the creativity that it takes to create a ballet like Revelations is the same creativity that will cure cancer. It's the same part of your brain that we are developing creativity. You have to think outside the box to figure these things out and to come to some, some, you know, understanding or level of accomplishments. And to me, creativity is the closest you can be to God, is to be creative. So the Debbie Allen Dance Academy is a real purpose in my life and my husband Norman Nixon's life, my daughter's life, my son, the whole community. We have a community of parents and people who love us in the nationwide because we have to. To, you know, throw that tin cup out there everywhere. I mean, if I could, say a million people, just send me $2, it would help us get through a whole year of programming and opportunity. We have a program called. We have a program called Sons of Dada, and that's for the boys. I have more boys in my school than any school I bet in America. I don't make them wear the tights. They can come to ballet class in their shorts or sweatpants. But they are there. I mean, I got 30 boys, and there's a program, Sons and daughter, that offers a scholarship for them. All they have to do is say, I want. Raise their hand. I want to come, and then they're there. David Coburn has been very supportive of this program, but it needs to expand. I just don't have enough hours in the day to do all that I know I could do. And I just have to keep working. And I have a great team that is helping me.

[DJ Envy]

And while we're here, just tell them how they can donate, because people listen right now and you talk about the school. If somebody wants to donate that $2, like you said, a million people, how can they donate?

[Debbie Allen]

If you go on the Debbie allendanceacademy.com you'll see there's a program called Rhythm of Giving, or you can just see how to get in touch with Dina Bartella or just how to drop through, you know, PayPal or what you might want to do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's interesting because you've been directing and choreographing for decades. How do you keep your art evolving when the culture itself always keeps shifting so fast?

[Debbie Allen]

Well, that's what's exciting because I'm with these young people all the time, and there's a new language every, you know, couple of years that you have to, you know, I mean, the Afro beat right now is everything I was. I. I have been Mariah Carey's creative director many times, and last year when I worked with Jenna Tompkins to do her show, I introduced the style of dance, the Afrobeat, into the choreography. And it was amazing to do Joy to the World with that style of dance. The dancers were on a respirator child with the first number, because that Afro beat is serious. Yeah, it's fast, but it takes a lot of energy to do it, and they loved it. So it. That's what's beautiful. The nature of the universe has changed, and Anybody that doesn't understand that. Well, sorry, tell them again.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What do you teach. Teach or how do you teach the artists you work with? Like a Mariah Carey or even, like Ashanti, You've been working with her for some time, too, about longevity. And as things change, because things will change, like, how do you teach them how to, you know, relevance and impact? Like, what. The career you have.

[Debbie Allen]

Well, I don't think I have to teach Mariah Carey anything about longevity.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I mean, she's been the songbird.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

For so long, and she's got a.

[Debbie Allen]

New album out, and she is one of these creative geniuses who writes her music. And I've never gone into a production where she didn't have an idea about what she thinks it is. I mean, so I. I don't know if that's. I mean, you're asking me about.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I guess it's like the mentorship, because even the way that, like, people look at you and how you handle just anything you deal with and throughout your career, there's a lot coming your way because of who you are. Mariah Carey has a lot coming her way every day. Day. I guess I'm asking what the mentorship between you and. And these women or men that you're working with that are these big stars, what does that look like?

[Debbie Allen]

It's very personal. It's very personal. I think part of what I bring wherever I'm working is a motherhood embrace, push, knowledge idea. I mean, I just said a lot of things that. I don't know if you got all that, but I. When people work with me, they know that I come with a huge experience in many things, and sometimes it's very intimidating to people. I've had some battles that you would be surprised, and I think it has a lot to do with my expertise.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Debbie Allen]

And ability. I'm an executive producing director of Grey's Anatomy. We're in C and 22. We, you know, Shonda Rhimes put me there to be an integral part of keeping that show in energetic and moving. And I hire all the directors. I hire new directors. Felicia Rashad just became a director on Grey's Anatomy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Director.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She's a new one.

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah, we kind of. We kind of like her. But there to work with incredible showrunner Meg Marinis, who, you know, I read every outline. I'm part of the casting, you know, and I've worked with DPs who are brilliant. I produced the movie Amistad with Steven Spielberg, which will always be a big, big accomplishment for all of us. It's not just me. For all of us to get that movie made, you'd be hard pressed to do it today, the way things are going. But I have such a wealth of experience. That is a big thing that I bring. So I see things very quickly.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Debbie Allen]

I can make decisions very quickly. You know, I'm here doing auditions for Joe Turner's Coming Gone. And I'm seeing such wonderful new talent that I had not known before. But even in that process, I can see immediately this one has the potential, this one is talented, but not right for this part. I mean, it's just experience.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love people who got intention, you know, you said at 4 years old, you knew you wanted to do dance.

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah, I did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did that lead to something like fame?

[Debbie Allen]

Fame.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Debbie Allen]

Well, because I stayed the course and I went and studied and did the work. I've been taking dance class my whole life.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Life.

[Debbie Allen]

I was here at the New York School of Ballet. Richard Thomas, John Boy on the Waltons. His dad and mom had the best ballet school here in New York, the New York School of Ballet. And I was like a little, you know, urchin trucking around the streets and bought my dance card. And in my class, I'd look up and Rudolph Nureyev would be in the class, or Mikhail Barishnik would be in the class. Margot Fontaine. These are icons in the world of ballet. And then right across town, there's Alvin Ailey. You know, you. I don't know. I think my. My effort has proven successful because I've always done the work. When you come up in the dance world, it's like being an athlete.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Debbie Allen]

That's why Kobe Bryant and I were friends. He loved dance, and we had a very, very good relationship. You train, train, train, train, train. You can't shoot enough, you can't practice enough, you know, jump shots, whatever their practice, you know, those drills that they do to stay in shape, you have to do the work. And this is something young people really need right now to understand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Debbie Allen]

That you don't get to get there and stay if you haven't done the work. Work. Misty Copeland. Oh, my God. Misty Copeland. You know, she's retiring tomorrow night from the American Ballet Theater.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Debbie Allen]

I will be on stage with her. She invited me to be on stage with her. But this is not an ending, but a beginning of what else she's gonna do. Yeah, but she trained, trained, train, train, trained. You know, I've had parents come in, you, You. Your daughters and dance. And I've had parents say, well, my Daughter, you know, she's just Ms. Allen. She just feels like, you know, she's doing the same thing all the time. I said, because she needs to.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Debbie Allen]

She has to learn how to point that foot turn out. I say, damn it.

[DJ Envy]

You said you and Kobe were friends. How did y' all get tight? How did y' all get so cool?

[Debbie Allen]

Well, Kobe actually grew up in Italy. Fame was one of the biggest shows internationally. Italy. I Still Can't Walk down the Street. It was that popular. So I came to a Laker game, and he was on the court, and he looked at me and he was like. And I was like. I'm looking at him like, oh, wow. And then that admiration was there. And then years later, he actually was interested in learning how to tap dance.

[DJ Envy]

Really?

[Debbie Allen]

Wow.

[DJ Envy]

Did you teach him?

[Debbie Allen]

Well, we didn't get to that, but we were going to get to that. It was Michael Jackson's death that really kind of brought us closer because Michael was somebody that I was very close to. And I was talking about Michael on television and saying he was. He practiced practice. I said he was like Kobe Bryant. I said that in an interview. And then Kobe called me, said, debbie, Michael and I were friends. I say, what.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What?

[Debbie Allen]

He and Michael had become friends. And so we started talking, and he was writing these incredible books, and we were making plans to turn one of his books into the most incredible Broadway show you've ever. We were making plans.

[DJ Envy]

He.

[Debbie Allen]

He. He had a whole universe that he was creating with animators and composers. And he brought me in because he respected what I do and what we could do together. And when we were building the Debbie Allen Dance Academy, which is now the Rhimes Performing Arts center, because Shonda Rhimes gifted us the building, which was amazing. Amazing. But we had to raise a lot of money to build it. And so we took a meeting, and Kobe was the first one. He was. He put a million dollars dollars towards building the Debbie Allen Dance Academy.

[DJ Envy]

Wow.

[Debbie Allen]

And now we have a wall called the Kobe Bryant Wall of Light that has all the donors and his name at the top of that. And so we had a lot of plans, and he loved dance. You know, we is being an athlete to be a dancer. So Kobe Bryant, Wallace Annenberg, Barry Gordy, Shonda Rhimes, the Ford foundation, they've been our big angels.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Barbie is honoring you with your own tribute doll. What went through your mind when you first got that call? I'm assuming that you're getting your own Barbie doll.

[Debbie Allen]

I know. It was like getting an Oscar. It was like, you know, because I grew up in Texas and we didn't have any dolls that looked like us at all. And I was big on playing with my dolls. And I knew about the. The Barbie tribute collection. And I was so excited when they made Shonda Rhimes the Barbie doll. And I. I was just loving that in Misty Copeland. But then when they called to say they wanted to make me one, I just was so touched because I knew this had more to do with young people than anybody. Although I always. My older friends are buying them up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Child that's buying them up.

[Debbie Allen]

But the kids. I showed this doll to some of the students in my school. I actually videotaped it. It was so precious. They were so proud of it. They all wanted it. It looks like them. Somebody that looks like them that is dancing. That's.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know.

[Debbie Allen]

And so we worked on what she was going to look like and how she was going to dress. And I said, let's dress her like fame. Because I.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That's your idea?

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Amazing.

[Debbie Allen]

Let's do Fame. And it puts me in a one more realm of history. That is very humbling.

[Mimi Brown]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

I gotta ask, you know, this weekend, this week coming up is Homecoming week, right? A Different World was the reason why I went to hbcu. I got to see it. I seen what it was. So I have to ask.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She is not going to teach you a 1212 to go do at the homecoming.

[DJ Envy]

A Different World was based off of what college.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, this is.

[DJ Envy]

Every HBCU talks about it.

[Debbie Allen]

Okay? So let me say this. A Different World existed for a year before I got there. And I was brought in by the creative, the executives to come and see what was wrong and fix it. And I did. Because I had that HBCU experience, which none of the people there. There had. I went to Howard University.

[DJ Envy]

Sorry.

[Debbie Allen]

And Howard University.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm sorry for both of y', all because Delaware State University is where it's at.

[DJ Envy]

Sorry.

[Debbie Allen]

But Hampton is great.

[DJ Envy]

I was messing with you.

[Debbie Allen]

But you know, Howard, we were the school. The first school to take over the A building. The school. Because we were demanding Black studies. We pulled up the ghost gate and threw it on the dean's desk. Hewitt Brown let us. I had my big Afro child, and I was all up in there, honey. In it. Two months later, you know, we. We didn't think about dying or nothing like that. The parents were sending us orange juice and boiled eggs and begging us to come out. We're gonna come out when we get where we want. Then what? How many months later, Kent State did that and four kids were killed by the National Guard. What the hell We Knew. Say It Loud, Black and I'm Proud was our anthem. We had Mary Makeba coming the first.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Mimi Brown]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's behind Elon Musk's trillion dollar payout? There's a sort of concerted effort to.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

Whereas the PCE index that the Fed targets is a little bit broader of a measure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

They lose it.

[DJ Envy]

They actually lose it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Debbie Allen]

We had Stokely Carmichael named them. They all came to Howard. We were in Washington D.C. wow. So coming into a different world, we could no longer do shows about people walking around holding eggs. We had to do shows that were culturally relevant, socially responsible, and still a lot of fun. And we did that. And so Susan fails heal. She is one of the most incredible writers on this planet. She was the showrunner for the real bulk of all it when we did LA Riots, Mammy Dearest. All those shows that are so memorable. It starts with the writing and Susan and. And who else was in that writing room? Gina, Prince bythewood, Reggie Bythewood. They were all in the writers room, along with Yvette Lee Browser, who you know, she is other. There was so much talent and energy and she. Together we just engaged. And I was always in the principal's office. I say I was always called into the network.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Debbie Allen]

Oh, God. Oh, my God. Y' all have no idea what I had to go through. And still. And still, what were their upsets?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Why were they calling you in?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, because you took it from a sitcom to a social movement.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, yeah.

[Debbie Allen]

You know, because we did the first show about aids, Whoopi Goldberg. We. I knew Whoopi was gonna win that Oscar. She's been my friend forever. I said, whoopi, would you come? Debbie, you know, I'm there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She came.

[Debbie Allen]

I had her. They didn't care. I said, aids is killing our people. Your people, everybody. We need to do this. Doing shows about date rape or, you know, I was just always called into the office. Why do we have to do. Why do. I said, chad, we can't just talk about, you know, somebody bumping in a corner. We're gonna do some of that, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what's your process for? I guess, how do you tell hard truths and still keep it entertaining?

[Debbie Allen]

Because that's the way the world is. In the middle of all this, you'll find something to laugh about. In the middle of this, you'll see somebody, you, a kiss. Yeah, that riot is happening. But, oh, baby, look at that boy over there. Who is that? Real life doesn't stop because of it. It will stop you. It makes you think and have to talk and address. But it goes on.

[DJ Envy]

Ms. Debbie Allen has to leave as well, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Guys.

[Debbie Allen]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

You got last one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do have a last one. You know, I mean, like, fame showed what art could be, right? And a Different World showed what education could be. How do you think your work has shaped how young people now see the intersection between art and intellect and activism?

[Debbie Allen]

You know, that's such a good question, and I appreciate that question because. Because Netflix just rebooted A Different World, the original on. And a lot of people are talking to me and asking me, but the mind of young people, the curiosity is what you want. You want them to be curious. And I think when they see these shows, when they see me and I make myself accessible, they feel like they could do something, too. That is really. That's what it's about. They could do something, too. I'm still learning. I'm still at this ripe old age. I'm getting ready to direct August Wilson's Joe Turner's Come and Gone on Broadway in the Spring train.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wow.

[Debbie Allen]

And I am in school because you can't come up there. It's like, you can't direct Shakespeare if you don't understand the language, period. I am up in the August Wilson school of Thought. Deep, deep, deep, deep. So by the time we open in April, that show is going to be amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I can't wait.

[Debbie Allen]

Oh, it's going to be. Child ticks go on sale November 5th.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I had to say that out loud.

[Debbie Allen]

Brian Moreland, who actually produced Othello. Denzel. Othello is our producer.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Amazing.

[Debbie Allen]

But I'm just saying, I'm still in school, so I'm putting together a whole packet of information about 1911. What was happening. What was the music? Who was president? What was happening in Europe? You got to know all of these things. What was happening in Pittsburgh? Where were we with the Great Migration? Where are we with emancipation? Where are we legally with civil rights? You gotta do the work.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Debbie Allen]

And I am still doing the work.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Ms. Debbie Allen, have you ever taught a proper twerk? I just wanna know. I don't know. Through all your lessons. No, you need help through all your lessons. I just wanna know, like, have you ever taught twerkage?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ever?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I love that.

[Debbie Allen]

Well, you know, I don't know if I've taught it, but my husband is always on me to stop doing it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I can do. That's why you've been married so long. Okay?

[Mimi Brown]

That was the secret.

[Debbie Allen]

He doesn't want me to do it in public. I can do it in the bedroom. I can do it at home, but not out of.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes, ma'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Am. Okay.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That's all I answered.

[DJ Envy]

Ms. Debbie Allen, we appreciate you for joining us. If you're out and about, make sure you pick up her Barbie doll. Also, donate to the school. And thank you so much. And please don't be a stranger. Anytime you in the city, pull up on us.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes.

[Debbie Allen]

I'll be coming back here to direct that play. I'll come and visit y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love her. Always. I would definitely be there to see that.

[DJ Envy]

Me, too.

[Debbie Allen]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

It's Ms. Debbie Allen. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Debbie Allen kissed me twice, y'. All. Debbie Allen kissed me twice.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, like somebody.

[DJ Envy]

Aunt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't make it seem like you so handsome, but that's what I'm talking about.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Don't put that narrative.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So sweet. And then Lauren tried to hate. And Lauren was like, I don't know why y' all think he's so sweet.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All the older women that come up here always think he's sweet. And you are not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Guys, I don't want to hear nothing from Brandon Kinks.

[DJ Envy]

Somebody said I look like a high school senior. Dress up. I'm just ready for homecoming.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You got a game tonight. That's how they would dress when they had a game.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, you do look like you would get killed in a horror movie. Damn. Oh, my God. Take a white girl to the top of the hill.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You want die first, too?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, they be behind the blood bleachers.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

True.

[DJ Envy]

Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Man. She gets them from somebody that knows somebody.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She'd be having the latest on it. The Latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes you have facts, sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit everything. Well, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club. LL Cool Bay.

[Mimi Brown]

Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But he was about to say something.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Darby was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, like, no, go ahead, Brandon.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right, so Michael Jordan, he hasn't held a TV role since stepping away from his basketball hall of Fame career until now. So last night he debuted as a special contributor for NBA on NBC, which is celebrating NBC's return to NBA broadcasting for the first time over 20 years. Michael Jordan.

[DJ Envy]

Michael Jordan.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay. Yes. Michael Jordan.

[DJ Envy]

I seen the interview.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. Yes. So he made a debut last night as a part of the opening night of the NBA. The Houston Rockets played Oklahoma City Thunder. And during halftime they aired a special sit down that NBC created called MJ Insights into Excellence. It's hosted by a. By the NBC commentator Mike Tirico. And during this conversation, Jordan basically talks basketball. But you guys know he stays out of the spot spotlight, like purposely stays out of the spotlight, which he's talked about. So they begin to talk to him in this first part of the series about why he's stepping back into the spotlight now and talking basketball. Let's take a listen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why do you want to share what you're thinking about basketball now? Let's pay it forward. You know, I have an obligation to the game of basketball. Not financially. I'm okay. I mean, I think more or less from as a basketball player is to be able to pass on messages of success and dedication to the game of basketball. Still love it, love it like you wouldn't believe. I mean, in all honesty, I wish I could take a magic pill, put on shorts and go out and play the game of basketball today because that's, that's who I am. That's that type of competition, that type of competitiveness is, is what I live for. And I miss it. I miss that aspect of playing the game of basketball, being able to challenge myself against what people see how has great basketball. But it's better for me to be sitting here talking to you as opposed to popping my Achilles and I'm in a wheelchair for a while. So he not going to be on like his Tom Brady where he's like calling games and stuff like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I thought it was going to be like that too. But it is a series that they've created and it'll be different parts. The next part actually airs on October 28th. But he'll be talking basketball and about like where the league and every NBA and all the things are now. They also talked to him, though, about the last time he actually picked up a basketball. He said, it's been years. Let's take a listen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you ever, do you ever pick up a ball and just shoot? I haven't picked up a ball in years. No. Come on, just like walk past. There's got to be a hoop somewhere at your place. You don't see a hoop anywhere around here, right? I, I don't. Seriously, the last time you picked up a basketball and shot, I was at the writer cup and I rented a house from the owner. Sure. He came over to do pictures. He had grandkids. And I was meet and greet. Thank him for, for allowing me to stay in the house. And he had a basketball court. He says, I want you to shoot one free throw. I said, really? So when I stepped up to shoot the free throw, it's the most nervous I've been in years. Stop it. And reason being is those kids heard the stories from the parents about what I did 30 years ago. Right. So their expectation is 30 years prior and I haven't touched the basketball. I hope you switched it. Absolutely. I got the most gratifying that, that, that made my whole week is that I was able to please that kid.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Can y' all imagine if he didn't make it? And they had Michael Jordan all over. Tick tock. Not making the shots.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, Michael. But I, I love that conversation. And it shows how competitive he is that he, like, he said, yeah, I missed the game. I want to get back. I want to put them shorts and that jersey back on and bust these young boys ass. But I mean, you miss Michael Jordan in this game. I do.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Anyway.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How much is Michael Jordan getting paint? And what did we just listen to? Cuz I was confused.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He was going to be sidelined, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or at least. Yeah. Doing color during the game like how Tom Brady does on Sunday.

[DJ Envy]

Nah, this was like halftime conversations. Like during halftime when instead of they going to the, the halftime performance, they went to a conversation, part of a conversation with Michael.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whatever. They don't, whatever. They was giving him the drink during the last dance. They need to give him that because when he was doing the talking head on the last dance, he was phenomenal. Damn. Okay. That right there was, you know, he.

[DJ Envy]

Was just laid back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Give him some brown liquor. The eyes ain't even. His eyes wasn't even red.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

They were, they were, they were.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, they were.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, I don't know.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What do you mean? If you read for no reason.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, whoever was doing the talking head stuff during the last dance, that's who they need. They're talking to mj. Cuz MJ was giving it up during the last dance. That right there was.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is only the first part. So maybe he's going to get more into like some other thing it up. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And also, I don't want to watch the NBA and hear about MJ all day. What you mean if I'm watching games that came on during halftime of the game?

[DJ Envy]

During halftime?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to hear about him talk about the game. I don't want to hear him talk about him.

[DJ Envy]

But that was pre tape, so they would know. But Mello was there. Mellow was there. He was. He was talking game. And they got their rings last night. OKC got their rings last night.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So I get what you're saying, though, Charlamagne. I definitely get what you're saying.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, so that's gonna be at every game.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I don't know how many people parts the series is. I just know it's several parts. And that the next one is airing on October 28th. Yeah. And they'll be talking about load management.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That you going to watch?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, you. Okay.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

All right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, as we wrap up, do I have time for one more?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why not?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. So Free and AJ106 and Park. Former 106 Park. They are on the Tom Joyner fantastic voyage cruise.

[Mimi Brown]

And.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And Free, they were having a conversation with some of the audience there. And Free talks about a moment that she almost shared with Aaliyah that she's never talked about before. Let's take a listen.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So I was asked by Aaliyah to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go on the video shoot.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

The video shoot. But the days got switched up with her schedule, and I had to host a Tampax total utor in LA with the great queen Latifa and sister Soulja. And because I had to be there and they said switched the schedule, I couldn't make it to the thing.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So when that came across the tv.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Knowing that, well, I was gonna let her leave me on the island, I've definitely been with her. It's just. It's something I really held her mom and I have just discussed it, and it's just something I like. So, yeah, Aaliyah. Because Aaliyah, you know, Sasha, that felt safe space. Thank you, y', all, for allowing me to speak that out loud.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I've never spoken that out loud, so thank you. Yeah. So that Clip was circulating yesterday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And on this cruise. And even in that conversation, they're, you know, talking about, like, the. Some of, like the. The highlights of their careers. Things that they won't. Will never forget from their careers. But the cruise itself just brings together, like, a certain era of, like, entertainment and feel.

[DJ Envy]

Explaining the cruise.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm explaining it to people listening who may not know about the uncs. I know y' all know y' all probably went. Have y' all been on the time during the cruise?

[DJ Envy]

I have not.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay. I heard it was a thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cruise outfit right now. And just like you on the time.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They said the cruise. Fake snake skin bathing suits. They be having fun. Sc. Fun on land. They got Neo Cat Williams, Mary. Mary, Tyrese, Cheryl Underwood. The cruise time.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But Tom Jor been doing this forever.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Forever. Yeah, I remember I used to hear on the radio when I was young.

[DJ Envy]

Legend when it comes to this radio thing.

[Mimi Brown]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, that is the latest with Lord.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh. Happy birthday to Jeff Goldblum, y'.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all know him.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

The Jurassic park, man. The one, the Fly. Remember he played the Collector in. In the Marvel series.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute to him.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's his birthday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Happy birthday.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I just watched Fly last night.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, that's our day.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I just watched it last night. It came out 1986.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right.

[DJ Envy]

And don't forget, you can just stream us on the chat. We're on Twitch. It's Breakfast Club am, so head over to the chat. On the. On the chat, they said we look like college students.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

They didn't say we.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, it did. And they said Lauren looked like somebody. Mama.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Is it giving, like, mama with a 401k or like, what type of mama? Like, responsible mom. Like, I dropped my kids off.

[DJ Envy]

Listen, just love the club mama, but donkey today. Who you giving that donkey, too, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Four after the hour, man. We need President Trump to come to the front of the congregation. There's a few things we should bring to America's attention on this fine Wednesday.

[DJ Envy]

All right?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yo, yo, come on. Yeah. Yo, relax. You're not the only one at work here.

[DJ Envy]

What you got flight?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm just saying.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Trying to keep a job.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Not going to have no damn job dealing with this. Yo, we work for black.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Still work. Yeah, we work for Black Effect. If I'm not here, y' all still work.

[DJ Envy]

You got us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You hire us. Black Effect.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

He really shutting that down. He coming right at just his name.

[DJ Envy]

This the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering The United States.

[DJ Envy]

Wouldn't you love to see one of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

These entertainment NFL owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a off the field right now.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's fired. He's fired. Please step up to the congregation. Yes, you are a Trump. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.

[DJ Envy]

They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's a jackass. Listen, Donkey of the day for Wednesday, October 22nd goes to our 45th and 47th President of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump. There's a few things I would like to bring to America's attention. I mean, we are on the third week of a government shutdown, day 21, I believe, okay? The second longest government shutdown in American history. The longest was under the first Trump administration. That was for 35 days and there seems to be no ending site. Okay? Keep in mind this is the man who promised economic change on day one, okay? He said grocery prices, inflation, more money in Americans pockets on day one. Okay? In January, during his inaugural address, Trump promised to put America first. Okay? And he said he would usher in a new golden age for American families. We are 10 months in. And if you ask me, his policies have made things worse for American families. Are you living your life like it's gold? Golden? Huh? Huh? Am I making this up? His administration's signature legislation is delivering the largest Medicaid cuts in US history. 15 million people will lose healthcare coverage, not to mention taking food assistance from kids, seniors, people with disabilities. His nut ass trade policies have made the cost of living in America worse. Some studies show a thirteen hundred dollar tax increase per household this year. And the longer the government shutdown drags on, on essential services are stopped and hundreds of thousands of federal workers aren't making no paper, okay? No money whatsoever. Oh, and did I tell you that SNAP benefits will also stop because of the government shutdown? 42 million people are at risk of losing their food stamps because of the government shutdown. Why am I telling you all these things? I'm telling you all these things because when President Trump said it was going to be a golden age, he wasn't talking about you, Kane. He was talking about the rich. All right? The tax cuts for the rich and bailouts for the rich. First of all, yesterday it was reported that President Trump plans to demand that his justice department pay him $230 million over the past investigations into him. I can't make this kind of stuff up. Let's listen but look what they did. They rigged the election. And as you know, we had, in one case, 60 Minutes had to pay us a lot of money. George Sloppidopoulos had to pay us a lot of money. And they already paid, you know, they paid me a lot of money because what they did was wrong. And you know, when somebody does what's wrong now with the country, it's interesting because I'm the one that makes a decision, right? And you know, that decision would have to go across my desk. And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself. In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have to decide how much you're paying yourself in damages? No, but I was damaged very greatly. And any money that I would get, I would give to charity. I'm gonna tell you something. If he wasn't the president, he'd be one of my favorite super villains, okay? The man is asking for reparations for himself, all right? And he's gonna get it. Why? Because the senior department officials he's asking were defense lawyers for him. And now they are in jobs that typically must approve any payout. Do I have to tell you that this is a conflict of interest? Do you care if you are a Trump supporter, that you might be starving right now, you have no idea how you gonna pay your bills right now? But he is about to pay himself whatever the hell he wants. But it's gonna be $230 million. Listen, okay, that $250 million White House ballroom that Trump is getting built isn't gonna pay itself. But don't worry. Trump said he's using some of his own money for the White House ballroom, but he hasn't said how much. And Trump says the project will be paid for with private donations and that no public money will be spent on the ballroom. So if we're keeping score, that's $480 million, right? Okay, so let's just say you're a Trump supporter. Your defense will probably be. Well, the investigations against Trump are bs, so he should get reparations for what the government did to him. Nevermind. It's unethical. Never mind. He's essentially paying himself. Well, whatever. And then with the ballroom, I'm sure you will say, well, that's not taxpayer dollars. Okay, well, what about this one? A $20 billion payout for Argentina. You heard me. A $20 billion bailout for Argentina. Let's go to Nine News for the report, please. President Trump is now considering doubling his promised bailout to Argentina to $40 billion. The move is now drawing criticism from both sides of the aisle. Trump praised Argentina's president during his visit to the White House, calling him MAGA all the way. The president's words. The president initially promised a $20 billion aid package to help Argentina's struggling economy. But treasury Officials confirmed another 20 billion is now being discussed. Secretary Scott Bessen says the U.S. would exchange dollars for pesos and Argentina would pay it back. However. However, with Argentina's history of debt faults, debt defaults, many in Washington are still skeptical. Doesn't make a lot of sense. You have to borrow the money from China to send it to Argentina. Does that make a lot of sense?

[DJ Envy]

Rather than fix the health care crisis.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Devastating Americans here at home, Trump's doubling down on sending $40 billion to a.

[DJ Envy]

Right wing MAGA strongman in Argentina.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Today, the Treasury Secretary clarified that that extra money would come from the private sector sector, not from taxpayers. Bailouts for another country's economy. At a time like this, is our economy flourishing? Is our economy booming? I thought it was make America great again, but apparently America has been replaced with Argentina. Okay, my fellow Americans, I ask a simple question. What is America first about sending 20 billion to another country while Americans are suffering. Now, some people say Trump is just using US Funds to influence a foreign election, which would definitely be a misuse of public money. Are tax dollars going to influence another country's election? Come on, now. Now, I want to put a button on this thing by letting you know that U.S. farmers who have been, you know, shut out of China's soybean market because of Trump's trade war are really hurting. But when asked about the American farmers who feel like he's prioritizing Argentina farmers more than them, he had this to say. My question is, what do you have to say to US Farmers who feel.

[Mimi Brown]

That the deal is benefiting Argentina more than it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it. They're fighting for their life. Nothing is benefiting Argentina. They're fighting for their life.

[DJ Envy]

You understand what that means?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They have no money. They have no anything. They're fighting so hard to survive. If I can help them survive in a free world. I happen to like the President of Argentina. I think he's trying to do the best he can. But don't make it sound like they're doing great. They are dying. Jesus Christ. Our American farmers not fighting for their life. Our average, everyday American is not fighting for their life. What is benefiting Americans right now? About what's going on in America. Do Americans have money? Huh? How is this making America great again? How is this America first? I just need you all to know that the only thing President Trump cares to make great is his bank account, okay? The only thing he puts first is himself. And I'm just here to make you aware of what's going on. Argue amongst yourself, because I'm not going back and forth with none of you MAGA bots on social media today. Please give President Donald J. Trump the biggest he. All.

[DJ Envy]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even know how you can argue any of that, but I'm sure MAGA supporters will find a way.

[DJ Envy]

All right, well, thank you for that. Donkey of the day. Now we come back from former. From Housewives of Beverly Hills. And now she's in a new movie. Movie taken at the truck stop. A black girl missing movie. We're gonna talk to Garcelle Bouvet when we come back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a just hilarious love story.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, right.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I did not meet him in the damn chat. No, I didn't. He was on a break. No, I was not alive.

[DJ Envy]

You met him at a truck stop.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, I did not meet him. No. Bye, Envy. Shut up.

[DJ Envy]

All right, we'll talk that when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Morning. The Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa is here as well. We got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Envy just insulted her for no reason. That was so disrespectful. It was so ridiculous and out of pocket for no goddamn reason. You should be ashamed. I didn't mean to offend you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You did not offend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How's your family?

[DJ Envy]

I said, mine are good. How is yours? She said, the boys at 18. I said, getting old.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's not what you said. You getting old?

[DJ Envy]

I met the boys are getting old.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Jesus.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Luckily, I'm not that sensitive.

[DJ Envy]

I was talking about the boys.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay, I believe you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, wine gets better with time. And you are fine wine.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How are you feeling?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm feeling really good. I'm really in a great place. Work is, you know, popping. I have this great new movie that's coming out, and I'm producing. It's been really, really fun.

[DJ Envy]

Do you miss Housewives at all?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No.

[DJ Envy]

So you're not coming back at all?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Not anytime soon.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So, I mean, it was great. It was great in terms of, like, I got a new audience, and there were really wonderful things that Happened because of the show, but I think my time was up. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

So. So why did you leave? Because your time was up, or was it contracts? Was it no money or no.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Nothing like that? I just couldn't do it anymore. It was really hurting. Hurting my spirit. I just couldn't do it. Yeah, that was really it.

[DJ Envy]

People try to put you and pit you and Bowles against each other, and they thought that was the reason why.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, not at all. Not at all. I mean, I met with Bose prior to her coming onto the show for lunch. We got along great. So, no, it wasn't anything like that. It was just I couldn't physically, mentally, spiritually do it anymore.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm big on discernment. How do you know, especially in this business, when something does not agree with your sports.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know what I've been really great about choosing me. When. When I'm. When I'm faced with something, I've done it with, you know, relationships. I've done it in other places where I felt like, you know, what, if I don't choose me, it will probably not work out for me. Yeah. So, yeah, I have faith and I. I just knew it was time. Yeah. Now, what is Sutton going to do without you? Girl, I don't know. You heard support, you know, in a lot of ways. So, yeah, you're on your own now. Sudden.

[DJ Envy]

My bad.

[Lauren LaRosa]

When we had Bose up here, I'd asked her about the unfollowing on Instagram because that became a whole thing. You unfollowed some of the ladies.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

All the ladies. When I left.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

When I left.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And I mean, the fans were commenting why they thought it happened, and she said. And she thought maybe it was just like, you know, you go through a breakup, you just want to get rid of everything. That's exactly what's the reason.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I just needed space. I just didn't, you know, if you're. I follow people who. I want to see what they're doing and I want to support, and if you're not in my life, I don't see why I need to follow you.

[DJ Envy]

I don't want to see what they're doing.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, there's no need for it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

There was also the thing, too. When Erika, Jay and Bose were on Watch what Happens Live, and Andy asks about you not returning to the show. Did you see that clip?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I saw the clip, yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

How did you feel about the answers?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Mean girls. That's all. What was the clip?

[DJ Envy]

Because me and Charlamagne looking at each other.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So basically, he asked about how they felt about Garcelle not returning to the show. And they were silent and it was like nobody wanted to say anything. And then when someone. When Erica said something, it was like, won't he do it? Like, you know, it was.

[Debbie Allen]

It was like a.

[Lauren LaRosa]

There was a weird pause and we were trying to figure out what that meant. And the fans hopped in the comments. When Bose was here and said. And said that. That there was no support from her to you. She said that that wasn't true. But did. Do you feel like she supported you through that season?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I really don't want to go back there there. Honestly. I'm here for my movie. I'm. I'm selling shows.

[DJ Envy]

I'm.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I just would like to stay on a positive note.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just want to apologize for my co host. I mean, one of them called you old. Now they bombarding you with housewives questions as if you're not here to promote two movies. This is crazy. I don't know what's going on.

[Lauren LaRosa]

How many times you go places and people. And people are like, we. I think we attach to you so much on the show. Cuz we're in your life is we fans of you and we miss you on the show.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I appreciate that. I. I understand what you're. What you're. You know, I understand it's also your job. That ain't me. I'm still attached to Fancy. Okay. And I know that. I know that you probably like, look, I ain't fancy no more either, but you always gonna be fancy. I loved. I loved that character. I loved that job. Like, I had never really done comedy and. And meeting Jamie and, you know, us having instant chemistry. Yeah. And we thought if we. We did 13 episodes, we would have been golden. We ended up doing 100 episodes. Like, I mean, it's unbelievable. I can't go anywhere without someone saying fancy. He says when he's out, they're like, where's fancy? So it's like people connected with that and that's a great thing.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's how it was when you walked in the room. I don't know if you heard me. I was like, oh. Like, it's like when you walk in.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm like, damn, I can't wait to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bombard her with housewives questions.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

He's not gonna let it go. But God did it. And God is doing it because you have not only one movie, you have two films. But you're up here for taking that. Which also your production company actually shot that as well. Yes. That's amazing. Congratulations. Thank you so much. I mean, doing this franchise, Black Girl Missing franchise, has been an amazing thing, and that's what I'm so grateful for. For getting the platform to be able to put out things that I think will help our community help. And I was sick and tired of seeing the disparity of when black and brown people go missing, that we weren't getting the same coverage, we weren't getting the same urgency or validation. And we put out this movie, the first one, thinking that, okay, if we can get people to talk about it, that's a good thing. And then the numbers went through the roof, and it was trending on Twitter at the time, and. And now we're on to, you know, Movie three. So it's been really amazing and meeting amazing journalists who say, you know what? We take accountability, too, because we can tell you who the JonBenets are, the Gabby Petitos, you know, the Natalee Holloways, but we can't tell you the names of the black girls because we're not featured like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And that's what we want people to do, is to know who we are when we go missing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The black Girl Missing movie subtitle is very intentional.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes. Very intentional. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sure you did a deep dive into a lot of the. The young black girls that are missing, if you can break it down, because, you know, I'm a father of four girls.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Where is the biggest place that these girls are taking for? And what reason? Is it the mall? Is it bus stops? Is it coming from school? Like, what is the biggest. So I can be on more anxiety.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's actually everywhere. It's actually everywhere. The second movie we did was called Abducted at an hbcu, and we're really trying to teach the, you know, not only girls, but boys, too. Like, when you're in college, build a community, you know, so that if you don't show up for classes for three days, somebody's gonna come go, where's so and so. Like, it's about having a community, but it's also ringing the bell. And my niece has girls in college, and she was like, you're scaring me with your movies. And I go, I'm trying to scare you. You know, just so that we're all aware. So it can happen anywhere. The malls. There are guys that groom the girls. I mean, there's all kinds of ways of these girls going missing. I mean, I was just in Vegas at the airport, and I went to the bathroom. I. And when the minute I close the stall There's a whole sign about if you're being abducted, if you're being trafficked. So it's everywhere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was in Alabama this weekend. I took a picture because I just thought it was. It wasn't strange, but one of them was like, if you're with somebody who wants to offer you money, I was like, what?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, yeah. And they also target girls who, you know, sometimes are more vulnerable. And maybe there's, you know, people at home are working, so she's alone a lot, or there's, you know, all types of women ways.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I just took that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

How about that?

[DJ Envy]

Didn't they ask you one time when you was with your daughter, didn't they ask you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I was on the plane and somebody came on the plane, was like, is that your daughter? And I'm like, I hope so.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah. But I'm actually glad they're asking. Right. Just because it's so prevalent when we are, you know, not everyone's aware of that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. In this movie, you talk about community. In this movie, your community, your truck community shows up for you in a big way. And it's through like, not. I don't want to give it away, but they show for you in a big way.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What's the importance of not finding community but knowing how to utilize it best in a high stakes situation? Like once someone goes missing and the cops won't help you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Right. And that. Okay, that's one of the things I will answer your question. But like, a lot of families have to take it upon themselves to look for their family members because they're not getting the support they need. So with the trucking community, by the way, there's a. There's a. The days you move more are the days you need more from your wife. Smart Water Alkaline with antioxidant helps you restore with a pure, crisp taste. 9.5 pH and added antioxidant. Morning workout. Check back to back meetings? Yep. Evening wind down. Absolutely. Whatever your active lifestyle looks like, Smart Water Alkaline is there for the pace you keep from the first thing on your calendar to the last thing you cross off, helping you feel refreshed, restored, and ready for whatever's next. Because hydration isn't just about quenching your thirst. It's about giving your body what it needs to keep going strong. And Smart Water alkaline looks as good as it tastes. Sleek, simple, and easy to take anywhere. 9.5 pH. Antioxidant. Smart. Visit DrinkSmartWater.com to learn more.

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story every weekday. A shutdown means we don't get the data, but it also means for President Trump that there's no chance of bad news on the labor market. What does a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich reveal about the economy? Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples.

[Mimi Brown]

And so they sort of become outsized indicators of inflation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's behind Elon Musk's trillion dollar payout? There's a sort of concerted effort to.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Message that Musk is coming back. He's putting politics aside.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's left the White House. And what can the PCE tell you that the CPI can't? CPI tries to measure out of pocket costs that consumers are paying for things, whereas the PCE index that the Fed.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Targets is a little bit broader of a measure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

In the new podcast Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Not once.

[Lauren LaRosa]

People went wild, not twice, stunned, but three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive, and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our couple retreat from reaction. Reality.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

They lose it.

[DJ Envy]

They actually lose it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

They sort of went nuts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Group of female truckers that are like badasses. And we take it for granted. These people are on the road a lot. They're alone. They're missing out on, you know, birthdays and anniversaries and what they're. And their job is dangerous.

[Debbie Allen]

Yes.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So we wanted to showcase that there's a community in every sector of life. No matter what you're doing, no matter what your profession is, it's like let people know, you know, that you're around. Yeah, Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wonder if the female truck is called. And men, they pick up lock lizards.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

There, there is that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That is a thing. But you know what? I learned a lot like these truckers when they go just.

[DJ Envy]

His husband's a truck driver. That's why she look like that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But he is so. Okay. So narrow minded. Oh, how long have y' all been together? No, I'm talking about this man sitting across from me. No, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you weren't a lot lizard. Yes.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, I was not a lot lizard. No. All the lot lizards. They were before. Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go ahead.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm sorry. No. But tell me about your husband though. How long has he been doing it? So he's been in the business for five years. Okay. Or whatever. But like I met him three years ago, so I was. He was like two years into it.

[Debbie Allen]

When I met him.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And yeah, you know, he had a couple of eyes here and there. You know, when I came in, they left. Okay, great. Yeah. Correct.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just wanted to know what female truck drivers call the men that they pick up. That's all.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know what? I don't know if they have a name for them. I'm pretty sure she didn't do that recently. Research to do this. How do you deal with him being on the road? I'm still trying to deal with it.

[Mimi Brown]

Okay.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, because the. The schedule with my schedule and his schedule, we. We're trying to figure out like how we can balance and then we. We have a one year old. So we're still trying to balance that and still trying to be full time lovers. That's very hard. Very hard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he's Mexican, so you know what everything going on in the world. Yo garcelle face.

[DJ Envy]

It's like, why did I come this morning?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was in a happy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We love you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Are you talking about ice?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That's scary for everybody.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's scary for everyone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Jeff's husband's not really running from ice, right?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, he's not. Oh, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it don't matter. You don't have to run. You. They profiling you like. Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Even if you're really sad, it's a horrible place to be.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, Lord.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But that's another topic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why was it important to add the element of dealing with an autistic. Autistic family member?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

We really wanted to. There's so much misconceptions about autism and what that looks like and what that is. And obviously there's different, you know, there's different stages of autism. So we really wanted to showcase a character that is functioning, but that doesn't mean that just because she has autism that she's irresponsible. But what happened was because she's autistic, she's dealing with somebody online. And, you know, we all share too much and she shared too much. And so then she gets taken, kidnapped. So, yeah, I was.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What do you want? People, the family members and the friends of people who may have been abducted and, you know, have went through these experiences, their family members and friends, there's a level of, like, guilt that can happen sometimes in those situations. What do you want them. The message for them to take from the movie?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

The message is really is that we want them to be seen. We want them to get help. And I think, you know, things happen. You can't feel guilty for that. You know, I think no matter how well you watch your kids, I mean, things are going to happen in life. Right? But it's really about this movie is starting a conversation, making sure the families that have missing family members know that they're being seen and that they should be helped just like everybody else. And I'm not saying we don't need to. To help other people. I'm just saying I want us to have the same urgency, the same compassion. Don't say, let's wait for two days, they'll come back. Because we all know the first 48 hours, the most crucial don't say, oh, they're on drugs, they're runaways. Like, give us the benefit of the doubt as well. That's important to me.

[DJ Envy]

And one of the worst places that I've witnessed was la. If there's a missing person, it seems like they will wait to the last minute. It got to the point where my wife's friend, she actually passed, but we were calling and calling. Please go by the house, check the house. Just that the other day, like, we're too busy, we're too busy, we're too busy. I'm sitting there like, there's a possibility that you could save somebody, right? And it was just like now we're too busy. Too busy. We had to get a family member to actually go out there and actually check. But I mean, I'm sure you experienced that a lot when doing that homework.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, it's opened my eyes a lot, which is why we need to keep doing this. We need to keep talking about it and hopefully one day we won't have to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Kevin Hart and I put out a project called Finding Tamika and it was about a young girl named Tamika Houston who went missing in the early 2000s in Spartanburg. And you know, you, you, you learn that black girls and women get less media attention when abducted compared to white victims. Like this is actual data studies. They call it missing White Woman syndrome.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, actually, yeah. There's a big publication that just did a 10 page spread on JonBenet Ramsey who's been dead 20 years. And we've never had anything like that with the.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I don't know if you've been seeing the news around Kayda Scott, the young girl who was found dead in Philly. I remember when her story first broke, it was only I was watching it on like the local and my grandmother called me about it. And then I remember I started seeing other outlets pick it up slowly. But it was just, you know, just seeing. When I was watching the movie yesterday, I thought about her story because it was. It took some time for people to even know what was happening with her. And they were begging for the public to help and they needed help to find her.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Right. Or even the documentary I just watched not too long ago of Where's Amy Bradley? Amy Bradley, Yes. Been missing for what it would be now for like 20 years, you know, and, but not. No slight to. To her and her family or anything like that. But it's like we don't get documented. People don't look for us. No. That long. No. You know, if they ever do, they just move on. So. Yeah, that's, that's definitely. Thank you for giving me the time because you guys have a great platform and we want everybody to watch this movie and, and let's keep talking about it.

[Debbie Allen]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I need to get the out of here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Tell us why you didn't end up on the View.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, I, well, they just went another way.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay. Cuz I listen to talk all day.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

When is tempted to love coming out. January 31st. January 31st, the first one out. I'm like, okay, when is. Come on, he's coming on board. Okay. Okay. I like my job. I know that's right. How about if I come more button out of me.

[DJ Envy]

Appreciate she like nothing up's enough, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This try to jump in my film. This I like enough. We appreciate you.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you so much.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

Definitely check out taking at a truck stop. Comes on the 25th of this month. That's what? Saturday.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Saturday.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Saturday.

[DJ Envy]

Definitely check it out. Thank you so much.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Lauren becoming a street fan.

[DJ Envy]

She gets them from somebody that knows.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Somebody gets the details.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She be having the latest on the Latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes she has facts. Sometimes you have details. Sometimes she have a little bit of everything. Well, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right, so gospel singer Fred Heymon has had to come out in defense of bishop. A bishop named Marvin Wayans. Waynens. Wayne. Wayne. I'm saying the last name wrong.

[Debbie Allen]

Is it Lions?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Marvin Winans, who is he is in relation to ccbb, the whole big gospel family?

[Mimi Brown]

Yes.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know Marvin Wines.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought you was talking about Marlon Wayne.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Once I say it wrong, it sticks in my mind wrong. So do you have to say it right to me for me to be able to say it right? But thank you. All right, so three.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was about to say something, but.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

We talking about the gospel.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Let the Lord rebuke thee. Okay, so. So he is in trouble or was in trouble. And Fred Hammond had to come out and defend him because there was a video that went viral from a giving service that they had last Sunday. So he serves at a church called Perfecting Church in Detroit. And they had his annual giving day. And they were. He was asking. Asking people of the com. Of the church community to donate a thousand dollars toward the rebuilding and, you know, the continued structuring of the church.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A thousand dollars at a time like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This and to additionally, you know, get other money donated from other, you know, people outside of the church. So let's take a listen to what went viral because he was under fire for people thinking that he rebuked a woman who didn't come with a certain amount of money. Let's take a Listen.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hi. Roberta McCoy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Given faith and stand in unity with the vision of pursuit perfecting Church, of.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Sewing this seed of $11,000 plus $235.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And receiving the blessings to come to all that participated.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now that. That's only $1,200. Yes. Y' all not listening to what I'm saying. If you have a thousand plus a thousand.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay, well, I'mma work on the other 800.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, that ain't what I asked you to do.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So Fred Heyman is like. Well, it's like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That sounded crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, definitely did.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So this sounds crazy. Yeah, it does sound crazy when you hear just cut up like that. And it went viral that way. But if you go back and listen to the full church service and the instruction, what was happening is he had people line up in a certain order. She what he's telling her, not that her money isn't good enough, is that she came in the wrong order. And there was so many people that lined up. He was trying to keep it structured. So let's take a listen to his original instructions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Instruction, we're going to do this a couple of ways. Those that have the thousand plus one, that means you're coming with your thousand that you're giving, plus you've asked someone else to give. Now you don't have to stop at a thousand, and we're going to deal. So in other words, if you say, pastor Winans, I'm coming with with my thousand plus another 3,000, then you'll say that you understand? And if you didn't get plus one, but you maybe came with $250, you're going to come say that this is my thousand plus 250. You with me, and we're going to go all the way down. So I need you in order for this to work. I need you to come when you're called with the offering that you're bringing.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm still confused.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I disagree with all of it.

[DJ Envy]

I don't get it wrong, but it still sounds nasty.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I don't think you should put a number on it. Just let people donate. Let people know what it is that you need. Right. He said he needs something for the church. Well, and then people donate whatever it is they can donate. I don't think he should put a number on it or line people up and say, people with a thousand go here. And people would just go here.

[DJ Envy]

That's what it seemed like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, just let people donate.

[DJ Envy]

I guess he's gonna look at it that I was trying to shout them out for giving that money. But like Charlemagne said, it. It shouldn't matter. It should matter what you give. And if I off, I have is 700 to give, and I give 700, and that's my last. You should be grateful.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, he said. So Fred Heymon, when he came out and defended this, he said organizations and churches raise money for their own all the time. Let them do what they do, basically. And this was taken out of context, but Ms. Roberta McCoy, who was the woman that you guys heard in the clip, and Pastor Winans cleared this up with a little local news affiliate because she was getting threats and he was getting dragged. Let's take a look.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why would she get threats?

[Mimi Brown]

You're the woman in that viral video. He did not rebuke you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He absolutely did not rebuke me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, there's a difference.

[Lauren LaRosa]

There was a correction because.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me clearly state that Pastor gave.

[Debbie Allen]

Instruction on the lines to get into.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was calling because the whole church was giving, and it was our day of giving, and the whole church was coming, and we didn't want people standing, the mothers and all that, so I was calling them by increments, and. And we had someone that had given out of before, and I corrected it, and I told everybody to listen and come when you call, and that's all that was. What happened to passing the plate around?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Nah. N. Then stop doing that. People take it out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about ushers? Like, you know what I mean? Because the reality is you shouldn't make nobody line up because, you know, it's a lot of old people there. If you need the money, you should have people going around collecting the money from folks.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, I mean, I've been to churches where that has happened, you know, and. And like he said, to his defense, churches have a certain way that they do go back and they ask. Like, I've. I've been to churches that I belong to, a church where they will come and tell. Like, they will come and ask you for whatever they need. Everybody sold a hundred dollars a day, and then when they tally it up, if it ain't enough, we're gonna ask y' all to go back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't agree with that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I've never agreed with it, but churches do that, man. I. I can't speak for white churches because I've never been to one. You know, they're a little boring, but I. But the black churches, they do that. They will go back if they feel like not enough was raised.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't agree with that. You can't put a number on somebody's offering.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, what somebody got and.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, what somebody got, and you putting pressure on them, because some of these people will spend their last little bit of money, you know, sowing a seed in the church. Like, just tell me, hey, the church needs something. And whoever wants to offer, offer if you got it to offer, offer it if you got it to donate, donate it. If not, you know, keep it moving.

[DJ Envy]

But that's why I feel like a lot of people don't necessarily go to church, and they rather watch church on television or they rather stream it because they don't have to deal with that. They can give what they want to give, how they want to give, and don't have to feel embarrassed if they are short a little bit or if they didn't, they got in the wrong line and you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If not, I'mma use that excuse anyway. See, this why I don't go to church now.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Stop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, that's probably asking for a couple thousand dollars. No, but. No, that. Yeah, that. That just. In any context, it just sounds. Yeah, nasty.

[Mimi Brown]

I get it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, speaking of taking you to church, as we close out, I told y' all that the verses is going down this weekend in Vegas.

[DJ Envy]

It is going this weekend.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's October 25th at Complex Con with no limit and Cash money. Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's up with you?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm reading something as I'm talking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're supposed to know that off the top of your head.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Now for the verses. Juvenile just dropped a new song.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That record is hard.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That is produced by Swiss Beats. It's called you mad.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, he sound like he dead back in the day.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Lauren LaRosa]

He said, do y' all mess with it? Like, yeah, that's hard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't want to hear that. The verses, though, at the verses, he.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Gotta play.

[DJ Envy]

Even if he no play it first.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Whatever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, I would play it because you got, you know, you got a big audience.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You got to promote it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Then you want to hear high. Back that ass up. You understand? Set it up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Soldier rags.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Soldier stomping.

[DJ Envy]

So who wins that? Who wins that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got that fire. Who wins?

[DJ Envy]

Who wins that? Cash money or no limit. Who are you giving it to?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a tough one. I'm gonna have to go with cash money.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What's happening? What's happening? What's happening with that? That's my song, yo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a tough one, but I'm gonna have to go with cash money.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'll be the only one. Team juvie. I'm gonna be the only one, Team gb.

[DJ Envy]

Cash money, no limit.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean, I. I would say cash money, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a tough one. Think about it all day and moved.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It to the other side.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't say cash money all day.

[DJ Envy]

I was cash money all day for me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying.

[DJ Envy]

Say cash money all day.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Something. But y' all probably it's probably not gonna sound right.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

See, Wayne. Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Debbie Allen]

Go ahead.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Go ahead. I was gonna say, because my favorite rapper, cuz no limit, after a while, some of the songs that they're going to play, it might not still be circulating as much as a lot of cash money songs. What you mean, like, I don't know. I feel like there's certain song like, you know how like, you have those.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Records got joints, bro. They do.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They both do. I think generationally, though, like, when you go to. Because there's going to be a. A huge crowd at Complex Con. So you talking all different ages. Will all those songs go through all those different generations on both sides?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, listen, trust me, they getting ready Cash money.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Everybody who's going is getting ready. They spinning back. Everybody working so they can know what the. What to sing along to. Trust me. Get ready for stuff like this.

[DJ Envy]

Well, that is the latest with Lauren. And this Friday, you know, we throw it back on a Friday so y' all can start hitting me up. I'm going to do a cash money personal limit mix.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You saw that jersey we had on yesterday?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hey, you throwing it back we had.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

On the jersey yesterday, Dic.

[DJ Envy]

No, I did not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

On the back, they said, vic, you.

[DJ Envy]

Took the V out and put a D. That's what you did.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You didn't really have that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? What did I do?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

He took the V out and put.

[DJ Envy]

A D. That's what he did.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That is crazy.

[DJ Envy]

It sounded crazy. Took the V out as.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's get to. Ain't judging you, man. Goodbye, man.

[DJ Envy]

Goodbye.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What in the Are you talking?

[DJ Envy]

DJ Envy? Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a salute to the icon, the legend, Debbie Allen for joining us this morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man. Man, I mean, it's conversations like that. I wish we could just have, you know, more time, but she is a very busy woman. But I told somebody yesterday, the fact that we get to sit down and talk to these icons every other day. That's right. Boy, that's a blessing, man.

[DJ Envy]

That is right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, Debbie Allen is. Is just different, man. Her energy is just amazing. Her. Her sister.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I was gonna say her sister as well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Alicia Rashad. Rest in peace today, Mother. You know, she was from South Carolina.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Did not know that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. She lived to be over a hundred. I think she was 102 when she passed away.

[DJ Envy]

Wow. Amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was 102. Her name was Vivian. Vivian Ayers Allen. Yes, I think she was. I'm pretty sure she was 102 when she passed Passed away.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. She was from Chester, South Carolina.

[DJ Envy]

And also, salute to Garcelle Bouvet.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes, that's my girl right there.

[DJ Envy]

No Fancy, from the Jamie Foxx show, Real Housewives, Beverly Hills, and of course, her new movie, taken at the truck stop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's crazy for envy just to call her old for no, goddamn.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I did not talk about her sons. It was just the way it came out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Oh, and I want to tell everybody, too, man. This Friday, I'll be in Columbia, South Carolina. Don Staley, you know, she put out her book earlier this year, Uncommon Favor. Came out through my book imprint, Black Privilege Publishing, with Simon and Schuster. She's been on the New York Times bestsellers list for weeks and weeks. But this Friday, she will be having a conversation about her book, moderated by me, at the Colonial Life arena starting at 4:30. And then the women's basketball team as an exhibition game versus Anderson right after that. And just announced yesterday, big Asia. Asia. Wolf Wilson will be joining us in conversation as well. So we'll see y' all this Friday at 4:30pm at the Colonial Life Arena. Go get your tickets. I was on Eventbrite just now and Eventbrite got the little flame emoji and it says, few tickets left. So go get your tickets. This Friday, 4:30pm I will be in conversation with Don Staley and Asia Wilson at the Colonial Life arena in Columbia, South Carolina. You know, it's University of South Carolina's homecoming weekend, so we'll be out there all weekend.

[DJ Envy]

And don't forget, this weekend I'm gonna be at Hampton Homecoming Salute to all the HBCUs. I know a lot of people have their homecomings this weekend. I'll be at Hampton on Friday on the yard. I think it's G Herbo. I think it's Bow Wow. I think it's Cash Cobain. And then Friday night, I'm with Wyclef Wale, the Zap Band and Brownstone. So a lot going on. And I'll see y' all and all the alumni at Hampton campus. And then Saturday, I'm going to Dominica.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hey, I know that's right. Do you know anything about Dominica?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, my gosh. I have to teach you some facts. You know, y' all have 365 rivers. That's a river for every day, including the Indian river, which they shot the Pirates of the Caribbean. Really? You're welcome.

[Debbie Allen]

Yeah. Wow.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So when you get over there, be like, yo, where the Indian river at? Yo, they're gonna take you Right to it.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And October 31st for Halloween and November 1st I will be in. No, you what you call a low country.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The low country, that's the low country.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Is South Carolina once. All right, never mind.

[DJ Envy]

Start us over.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And October 31st, Halloween and November 1st, I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Comedy zone.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We got four shows that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

704, that's next weekend. Yes, 704. So get your tickets if you have.

[Debbie Allen]

Not yet.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Jesslorisofficial.com and I'm giving away a cash prize to whoever comes with the best Halloween costume on. Me and Desi are dressing up. It's going to be a fun show. Friday, Saturday we got four shows all together. So get your tickets.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now what you to do? Going gonna be.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You can't. You can't know. I'm gonna be Smokey from Friday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, okay.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

All dickied out, you know what I'm saying? Because I couldn't just go as a regular stud. I mean people already think I'm that. So I'm like, no, I had to. I gotta pop out like Chris Tucker, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna come out like Smokey. So study period. Very much study.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's gonna be your name. Study.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Study for you. Yeah. What you been Lauren for Halloween?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Tony Braxton.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, I know that's right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I just made that that up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That hater.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you going be actually happy for funny man? Cuz people be telling Lauren who she look like and she believes this. So somebody be like Tony Braxton. So now she want to be Tony Braxton.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Nobody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now you want to breathe again ever.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now you want to you so many I could have did brain dear Monica. But I feel like that's an easy giving like, you know what I mean?

[DJ Envy]

What you going to be?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Charlemagne happy cuz he ain't never or straight he ain't never either one of them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm going do that. I'm going wear big ass on my chest just for you. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going be. That's what I'm going to do now. That's exactly what I'm gonna do. Because I'm wearing a big S on my chest.

[Debbie Allen]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who you gonna be? Envy.

[DJ Envy]

I'm gonna be a prominent figure in our culture.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. Lee Daniels. Okay.

[Debbie Allen]

Lee Daniels.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want to be Lee Daniels. Okay. I can't wait to see this. This is gonna be amazing. All right, all right, we'll see.

[DJ Envy]

Give you that positive note.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. The positive note is simply this man success. Always remember the test of success. Success is not what you do when you are on top. Success is how high you bounce when you hit the bottom.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hey yo nah yo nah. Do another one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Power up the fun with exclusive new games like Mario Kart World.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

Chair Powell opened the door to this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kind of like Robin Hood, except for the part where he steals from the rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous.

[DJ Envy]

It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone out there who's ever shot for the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So we're sitting like, oh God, what do we do? What do we do?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was dumb. People, do not follow my example.

[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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