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Hunter
I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt, a young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Nathan King
Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here? How goes lower? From Blumhouse TV, iHeart podcasts and Ember 20 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi and what's the way to find a missing person. Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously. Listen to the hookup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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Martin Luther King III
Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife Andrea Waters King and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilberger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
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Hunter
Join us for heartfelt conversations with remarkable guests like David Oyelowo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and and Billy Porter.
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Mark Seale
Listen to My legacy on the iHeartRadio.
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Martin Luther King III
This is My Legacy.
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Mark Seale
I'm Mark Seale.
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Nathan King
And I'm Nathan King.
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Martin Luther King III
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
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Mark Seale
The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.
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Nathan King
This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seals best selling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.
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Mark Seale
Yes, that was a real horse's head.
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Nathan King
Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun.
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Mark Seale
Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app.
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Nathan King
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Martin Luther King III
When I write y'all all across the USC Compton, Watts Bay to La Pomona, California from valley to valley. We represent that killer county.
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
So if you keeping it real on.
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Martin Luther King III
Your side of your town, you tune in to Gangst Chronicles, Gangster Chronicles.
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Mark Seale
We going to tell you how it goes.
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Martin Luther King III
If I lie my nose will grow like Pinocchio. We going to tell you the truth and nothing but the truth.
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Mark Seale
Gangster Chronicles.
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Martin Luther King III
This is not your average show. You're now tuned into the real MCA Big Stale. This Is strictly from the streets. Hello, we represent the J.
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Mark Seale
Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of iHeartRadio and Black Effect podcast network. Make sure you download the iHeart app and subscribe to the Gangsta Chronicles. For my Apple users, hit the purple mic on your front screen. Subscribe to the Gangster Chronicles. Leave a five star rating and comment. Y'all know what this is? The Gangster Chronicles. It's big. Still with the homeboy Jill. And we was having the conversation earlier today and that's how most of our episodes go. Me and 8 having the conversation and we just go with that. I asked the question, is it every time when someone is too old to gang bang a claim their neighborhood?
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Martin Luther King III
I guess it depends on if, if gang banging is the backbone and the foundation of who you are as a, as a person and what I try to, what I'm. What I mean by that is gang banging been around for a long time and you got to feel some. To some, to some of us, that was our heritage of foundation. Right. You know, you didn't have a, you know, you didn't have a grandfather who had the big farm and generational wealth was passed down or, you know, you didn't have the celebrity, whatever. All we had was gang banging. Right? So that became your foundation because that was what you, you know, I didn't, After I turned a certain age and before I started rapping, I didn't think that, you know, my future existed as of being the man who went to 9 to 5 job and came home, you know, those years between 14 and maybe 30, it was, it was hood representation, you get me? It was khaki suits and, you know, and okay, I started rapping and you're able to acquire a little bit of success or whatever, but that still doesn't transition over to the hood was everything, you get me? The hood, you know, allowed me to, you know, serve and make money good. Allowed me a space to congregate with my peers to where, you know, you felt safe in your neighborhood, to where you wasn't out of bounds or nothing. And so I say a lot of, you know, some who, you know, went away to prison and got that 25 to life and whatever, and they're just now coming home, you're welcome back to the hood, you get me? You're seen as that OG who represented, who walked that line and, and, and who gave, you know, prowess to the neighborhood. So a lot of feel like, yeah, that's, I mean, you know, some come home and like I said, you back to the blockers get killed, go to prison, whatever, blah, blah. And then back to the neighborhood they see us go. Because like I say again, for a lot of who don't change, the mentality of, of the hood is everything. You unable to go out and, and be, you know, regular man and get a 9 to 5 and whatever and then some who still do that, still go back to the hood and represent. You get me?
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Mark Seale
So, well, what do you say about the dude that's a grandpa? No, he's a grandfather. Let's say he don't did a beard, he'll been locked up and he come home after 15 years. He's a grandfather now. He got grandkids. And in some cases, his grandson might be claiming the hood. He might be a little tiny low, a little tiny blood from the hood. You feel what I'm saying? So he's gonna be out there gang banging with his grandson.
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Martin Luther King III
Like I said, he ain't gonna be out there putting work. But when you go to grandpa house, everybody know he was the OG from the set. You, it's, it's, it's like I said, it's hard to decipher because a lot of people don't understand gang banging, the point of it. And so. But yeah, a lot of that is family tradition handed down. I knew, I knew brothers, brothers that I hung with, you know what I'm saying? 30 years ago, they had kids and their kids had kids. Their kids is playing the hood.
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Mark Seale
Yeah, that's crazy. You know what, bro? I guess. And you know what? I should understand gang banging. I've been on the west coast since I was 17, I'm in my 50s now. All my friends, right.
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Martin Luther King III
Don't you know that you hung around like you said you didn't gang bang, but you, you who bang.
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Mark Seale
All my friends are gang bangers.
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Martin Luther King III
With them turn around right now just on the strength and be like, what up, cuz? You know, blah, blah. You know, they still saying where they from, you get me? It's not like you, probably half the, you know, probably still doing that.
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Mark Seale
And it might. And you know what, I'm gonna tell you like this, that's not an all the time thing. Not with a couple of them it is. But with most of them it may be when they get upset about something or it may be with something funny. You see blood did this. That's how it is, right? But they for the most part kind of like stay in this kind of like neutrality about the whole thing. Now somebody come tripping, they gonna let you know this such and Such, you know what I mean?
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Martin Luther King III
Exactly.
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Mark Seale
And they ready to flash at a moment's notice. I'm just saying, man, don't it get a little too old at some point when you become grandpa in the set, man, and your grandson is gang banging and you may have, your grandson, may have a son, man, you, you know what I saw the other day? Shout out to my homeboy Marv, because he takes credit as the oldest living prior, you know. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I told him off and he's a funny dude. I told him Marv is 70 something years old, still look like he in shape. And I've heard, you know, allegedly that I told them still knocked a few dudes out, a few young dudes, put a few young cats in their pocket.
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Martin Luther King III
It's not impossible. Like I said, I guess, I guess being of age and representing the neighborhood, I mean, you, you got OG status, you get me? And then some are, and, and some are accepted for that, you know what I'm saying? Putting in work for the hood, going down, doing a bid, coming home, people still recognize you as that, you know, they might not think like, oh, this man, this finna come home and he finna be on one and hitting corners and. But you're respected because of the line you walked. And I don't know, I don't know it, I don't know why it's a, you know, it's frowned upon. Like I said, when you get a certain age, I, I guess you're supposed to transition, you know, just for anything as a man, you get me, as we get older, we supposed to get more mature, wiser and you know, be aware and steer them on the path of a straight line. But like I tell when that's your foundation, it's kind of, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of difficulty to, to, to just say, you know, all right, you know, I'm 50 now. So the rag is put up, so to speak, because even though you're trying to walk a straight path, there's the always out there who know you used to be from here and might want to test you still. You could have all the respect and whatever you want from. And the OGs love it and whatever, but you know, enemies is enemies and that's what it is. So you just always have to be fearful of that. So that's why I think, you know, because gang banging is that generational, you know, that generational. You get me? If, if I was, if I was still, you know, in the Hood and living in the crib in the hood, you know, because some do that, you know, on a regular. On regular. You know, you grow up in the hood, right? Didn't become, you know, still with the podcast and the football and the. You're a regular and, and you still in the hood. There's, there's, there's, there's a chance that you're not gonna venture out of the neighborhood. If you can rent a house around the corner, coming out of mama's house, you get me? You can rent an apartment around the corner. That's where you gonna go, right? And then you gonna go to apartment, you're gonna be in the hood, still kicking it, whatever, or not too far away. And then you're gonna come to the hood every day and then you'll transitioning of what? Getting around. I got a regular, I got a job, I'm working construction or I'm down at the docks that, you know, whatever, whatever. You still come into the hood every day when you got a lady, right?
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Mark Seale
Okay, let's say you are one of them dudes that, you know, because you got dudes to still claim the hood. But I like to call them kind of semi retired. You feel what I'm saying? If you will, like, they semi retired. They still mess with the homies here and there, but for the most part they go to work and they hanging out with their families.
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Martin Luther King III
They may have, you know, older that was older than me that, that are still around and they still meet up at the park and they still kick it and barbecue and be in the alleys, you know, playing dominoes and it's, that's just what else lifestyle.
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Mark Seale
So would you say that gang banging is a lifestyle?
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Martin Luther King III
Oh, definitely. But it's, it, it's. But the lifestyle has been manipulated, you get me? Because the lifestyle has been monetized. The lifestyle has been openly accepted by those other people now. So. And then it's, There's a lot of craziness with the.
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Mark Seale
Now we were talking about, we was talking about Jim Jones earlier. And Jim Jones is kind of like. I don't seen Jim Jones reinvent himself a couple of times, right? You know, he came out, he was like cams and them. He was like kind of like the executive slash bodyguard slash just the homie that was around the rap every once in a while to where he put out a hit records. When he put, when he put balling out, he had a hit record, right? Then you saw him kind of a scene to where he came with a certified gangster record. You like, okay, this dude is the rap star now, right? He really worked his way up the ranks in the traditional way because that's kind of how it used to be with us, you know, you might start off as a roadie. I know Red man, them started off as roadies for epmd. You feel what I'm saying? At first they was just the homies that, you know, trying to get on, right? Battling cats at the shows. So we see him now, he's kind of like on this hood world tour. He was just out here with Wacko and he out here showing Whack 100. Like, I'm out here in the neighborhood. But the thing is, this Guy's in his 50s, right? And people are loving it, loving it.
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Martin Luther King III
That's because his represent. His representation right now is of the streets. And like I said, you're gonna get tired of a lot of, you know, it just happens in hip hop, you get me? The gang. Banging music was always frowned upon, but it was loved, you get me? And it sold a gang of records. But then music started, you know, basically the doors blew off, right? And basically everything is open with hip hop, you get me? You can be the backpacker, you can be the hip hopper. You could be. You could be lgbtq, you could what, you get me? Rap is open. But the foundation of rap was something different of hip hop. It was something different. So. And for New York to be one of those places who's looked at as the Mecca or the foundation of hip hop was bred on hard New York, you get me? The Rakims and the Big Daddy Canes and the epmds that. That represented, you know, hard music, you know, the Bronx scenario and the Harlem and all that, that represented us in a scene. And when you start confusing that with all kind of, you know, now wanna, you know, be three piece suited and, you know, want to be popping champagnes and Lamborghinis and just want to be maybacks and all that. And you forgetting about the who, you get me? You forgetting about the the on the blocks and the bricks where the foundation of what we. You get me? Because, you know, they started banging and was cripping and blooding and so now you got foundation of street that they missing, you feel me? Just like the scenario when 50 came out, you get me? We had all this sing song ass rap and, you know, was too balling for the jumping out with Louis Vuitton draws on and all kinds forgot the foundation of hip hop. So when 50 came out, it blew the doors because it was something New York was missing like we missing that. That you get me?
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Mark Seale
That greediness.
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Martin Luther King III
I think that with Jim Jones, he's taking it to a place where like, damn. Like we y'all is all trying to be fancy and we just some gritty at the block in front of the bodega trying to make money in. We in the project still. And is we still wearing Timberlands and hanging out on the corners and we not. We not in the high rises and you know, with our feet kicked up with the white executives and you know, I got a 20 million dollar check, you know. Nah, we out here struggling when a represents us makes go that other you get me? So now not only do start looking at it in your section, they start looking at it like across the board. Oh this like y'all trying to hate on it and talk about a old and why he's still in the hood and won't be woo. But you start seeing all the hood respected, you get me? Because they feeling like we got representation for us again. And with the music you give me this talking about I'm from Harlem, all that other. All of this and that Harlem back in Harlem, we did this and did that and he making remember of what it was and so go oh, that you get me so and what not, what not's gonna work more when you get the hood behind you. You get me? Like, come on man, I don't give a. Yeah, okay, you 50. The homie right here 40 and but, but it, it, it. The young cat is 20 something. But then you connecting with all the who still own that. You feel me? And when it comes to that, it don't matter the age. If you representing the block gonna respect it just period. Because you didn't sell out or figured you had to do what the other is doing. That ain't really representing us. Like, I don't know. Started thinking that money made you og, you feel me? And money just make you have money. You still be a with money. You just got money. You ain't hard cause you got money. You just got money.
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Mark Seale
Well, you know what man, I'm gonna tell you. Money became a thing for the sucker to kind of flex on the hard dude.
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Martin Luther King III
Exactly.
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Mark Seale
That became his flex. So it was a time to wear. And it's always been that way. The guy that has money has kind of got a pass because if he had money, he didn't have to be that tough because he could have people hanging out with him. That was tough. It wasn't nobody go bother him because they was. He was Paying these people around him, right? So it really was kind of distant. It was a distant, genuine relationship, right? You hear it all the time that a woman may marry a dude that she don't really love because he got what? He got paper, he got security. Most women want security. They like, man, you know what? That other. He put it down. He, you know, he. That exactly.
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Martin Luther King III
This gotta pay to do it.
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Mark Seale
Hell yeah. This dude right here got a job, he got a home for me and my, you know, she may want to start having kids if she don't got them. So she thinking about the bigger picture. She's like, well, man, that other dude, that's cool. But I'm going over here with the money. You see what I'm saying? I'm going with the money because money.
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Martin Luther King III
You know, money bring happiness. Exactly. But it don't all the time, you get me? No, but I, I've learned it's all about who's. Who's true and who's, you know, it's all about who, who will with you if you got $7 in your pocket or 7 million. And I've learned that, you know, it's only a few of them type of people you get. You get me?
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Mark Seale
But you know what, bro? I'm gonna tell you this, right? I think it's the average person in this country makes $40,000 a year, right? I'm talking about people that take care of families, two or three kids, got a house note or whatever like that. And they make 40,000 a year. They may have a wife that work, she may make 30, $40,000. So they do that, they take care of kids and they manage to make it work. Right. That is the common person in the United States. The whole thing, the whole misconception about everybody being a ballerina is a big ass myth.
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Martin Luther King III
Yeah.
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Mark Seale
Because the majority of the people in this country, bro, make, I want to make sure it's right. Let me look at that. Average salary in U. S. The average salary in the U. S. Oh, I was off. The average yearly salary in the US is $65,000. Right? $65,000. Hold on. And then they say the median annual wage for all U.S. workers is 48,000. That's what I saw. That's more like it. That's more in line with what I was talking about. Right, right. That's the average everyday American. Because 65, 66. I ain't gonna say you upper middle class, but you kind of you. Okay, you feel what I'm saying? You, you are right. You can make that Work.
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Martin Luther King III
Yeah, you could. You could survive and not be worried about paying the cable bill next month, you know?
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Mark Seale
Exactly. But when you making 40, 48, 000 a year, having cable of luxury, homeboy.
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Martin Luther King III
Exactly.
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Mark Seale
That's gotta be the first bill getting cut off every month. You know, you're not gonna let your lights get shut off the wife's tv.
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Martin Luther King III
And depending on what your mortgage or your rent or your lease is, you anywhere between two and 4,000.
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Mark Seale
Oh, man. Out here in LA, you know, my son, he live in a cool area, but he's staying Long beach, right. He stay off, you know, a few hours down from the beach. This dude is in a 1. It's not a studio apartment, but it's one of them little apartments where you got your separate little kitchen, you got your living room, but then the other half of the living room is like a little bed where you can put your little bed at or whatever, man. He paying 2900amonth for that.
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Martin Luther King III
Yeah. Because it's LA county and it's Long Beach. And when you down in Long beach by the water or wherever, in a nice area. Yeah, that is. Is ridiculous. Like I said. So you.
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
You.
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Martin Luther King III
You definitely. You definitely would be in a predicament, you get me? And that's for a young kid just starting out.
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Mark Seale
And that's him, you know, you got to remember. And he made good income, right? So he hang out with all of the firemen and he like it down there because half the places they go, like, you got them little bars that go on the Huntington beach and stuff that's right down the street from there. And he go hang out with his, you know, fireman boys, and he's safe and he kicks it. He has a good time because he told me all of my sons, all of my kids are total opposite. Stefan is the square, straight, lace one. He always knew he wanted to be a public servant. He was going to be a police officer or a fireman. And he's a fireman. Right. Chris always played football, but Chris played with a bunch of dudes from Compton, Watts, Long beach, you know what I'm saying? The projects. So he kind of emphasized a little bit more. Even though he wasn't the hood dude farthest from it, all his boys are. That's who you also he played with. Even at St. John Boss, we played with dudes that was from the neighborhood. He played with dudes that had the eggs to him. You feel what I'm saying?
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Martin Luther King III
Right?
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Mark Seale
Whereas Jasmine, she's a mixture of both. While she appreciates all that stuff, she's still like, oh, I ain't doing that. That's ghetto. You feel what I'm saying?
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Martin Luther King III
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mark Seale
So they all extremes. Stefan don't want to be around that stuff. He thinks all that stuff is just like the worst stuff in the world. Chris think everything got a motive. He think everything got a reason. Jasmine, she kind of in the middle. She think it's ghetto, but she like, whatever, you know, Right? So the average dude out here that. That Eels kind of keeping it real, so to speak, he's going to identify with more people because that's who the average person is in this country. The average person in this country is the person that's kind of living check to check.
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Martin Luther King III
Oh, definitely.
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Mark Seale
It ain't no whole bunch of balling going on. And I think Jim always identified with the common man because he said some one day that I kind of as a dude that got a mediocre career, you feel what I'm saying? You living cool, but you're not really. You know, it's not a steady thing, right? He says something one day. He said sometimes he got to tell a wife and them a, you know what? We can't get Louis Vuitton and go do this and go on trips and all that now, but we could be back to balling in about five, six months. I got to get these projects together, I got to do this and do that, then we go get back to it, right? That's the reality for the average entertainment, bro.
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Martin Luther King III
Yeah, you. Like I said, you gotta. You gotta have somebody who understands the situation. And like you said, if you dealing with the common man in the common hood, everything is a hustle. You feel me? So, you know, we gotta learn that we not. We might not be 10, 50 million dollar rich, but you know, we can climb that ladder.
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Mark Seale
Oh, yeah, man. And it's just a. I think in the age we in, man, I was talking to one of the homies. You know, we always having conversations, right? I was talking to a couple of the young homies. They close to getting them a little situation, right? And I was kind of managing the expectations and telling them what to expect. And I was telling them, like, don't believe these rap, these music videos. Don't believe none of this stuff because all of it is kind of. All of it is kind of a lie, right? All of it is a myth. Hey, y'all, I'm Maria Fernanda Diaz. My podcast, when youn're Invisible is my love letter to the working class people and immigrants who shaped my life. I get to talk to a lot of people who form the backbone of our society but who have never been interviewed before. Season 2 is all about community organizing and being underestimated. All the greatest changes have happened when a couple of people said, this sucks, let's do something about it.
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Hunter
I can't have more than $2,000 in my bank account or else I can't get disability benefits. They won't let you.
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
You succeed. I know we get paid to serve.
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Mark Seale
You guys, but like be respectful. We're made out of the same things.
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Glasses Malone
Bone, body, blood.
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Martin Luther King III
It's rare to have black male teachers.
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
Sometimes I am the lesson and I'm also the testament.
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Mark Seale
Listen to when you're invisible as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Hunter
I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered Black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one mission. Save our Girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered Black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Nathan King
Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here?
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
Ow. Go slower.
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Nathan King
From Blumhouse TV, iHeart podcasts and Ember 20 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend and Santi was gone. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi and what's the way to find a missing person? Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously.
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Mark Seale
Hmm.
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Nathan King
Pillow talk. The most unwelcome window into the human psyche. Follow our out of his element hero as he engages in a series of ill conceived investigative hookups. Mama always used to say God gave me gumption in place of a gag reflex. And and as I was about to learn, no amount of showering can wash your hands of a bad hookup.
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
Now take a big whiff, my brah.
- [30:22]
Nathan King
Listen to the hookup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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Martin Luther King III
Snakes, zombies, public speaking. The list of fears is endless.
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Mark Seale
But the real danger is in your hand.
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Martin Luther King III
When you're behind the wheel, distracted driving.
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Mark Seale
Is what's really scary and even deadly. Eyes forward. Don't drive distracted.
- [30:44]
Martin Luther King III
Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council.
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Mark Seale
We got the homie Glasses Malone in the house. He just came through. He gonna love this conversation. So we kind of got away from it a little bit, bro. The question was, is it ever too up late for a dude to be out there gang banging or pushing the line in his neighborhood?
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
What do you mean pushing the line for his neighborhood?
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Mark Seale
Like a dude is just saying he a gang bang. He from the hood. He may be. He may be a grandfather. He may got. He may got grandkids that belong to the neighborhood. Now, he may not be out there active, but he's in his late 50s, early 60s, out there still pushing the line for his neighborhood.
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Maria Fernanda Diaz
But you don't really push a line for your neighborhood like you really push a line for your friends. So I don't know if there's ever an age where pushing the line for your friends you can get too old, but I think there's a rhetoric about pushing the line for your neighborhood versus pushing the line for your friends. Do you ever get too old to stand up for your friends?
- [31:46]
Mark Seale
No. I knew your ass was gonna have some kind of, like, common logic to the stuff. You and they both eight, pretty much said the same thing you did, by the way. No, you don't never get too old to take care of your friends, take care of your homeboys? No.
- [32:04]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
So a lot of gang banging is kind of frowned and made to think like it got something to do with the. The name of the street or the sign at the park. I don't really have nothing to do with what this thing is about. This is about your lifelong friends. Most of the time, if you, like, really from where you from, these are your lifelong friends. So right now, if Russ live around the corner for me, right now, Russ said he not even. Like he did some time. He don't even feel like he want to be apart. But if he called me and needed me, you know, at 45, him, I'm going around there and take this pistol around there just in case I got to get active to save his life and stand up for him. Yeah. Hell no, I ain't got too old for that.
- [32:48]
Mark Seale
See, that's the thing. You talking about looking out for a homeboy right now, holding somebody down right there. There's nothing wrong with that. That's to be suspected because, you know, any one of y'all call me and need my assistance, I'm gonna be there, right? I'm talking about the dang dude. You know what I'm talking about the dude that still got the rag on his head. He still got the rag on his head. He's out there. He still got a. He still got a pistol in his waist. He's still doing his thing. Is that dude too old to be gang banging?
- [33:19]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I still. I know it sounds like I'm being disingenuous or misleading. I'm telling you the truth. I don't see it the same way. You said, like, well, you can ask the question.
- [33:29]
Mark Seale
So you can't tell me you ain't seen a dude in his 50s, early 60s with a rag on his head. And he's still out there pushing the line.
- [33:36]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I mean, pushing the line. Like what? Like he is a. A proud representative.
- [33:42]
Mark Seale
Yeah, but a proud representative of what that means. He's still a hardcore gang banger.
- [33:49]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
What do you think that means still?
- [33:51]
Mark Seale
I think that means he's a man that's still stuck in his childhood, that's trying to relive his childhood, and he has been stuck in his childhood. That's what I think a lot of them dudes is. I think it goes further than a dude is representing his neighborhood. I think these are men who still are. Are still caught up in being a juvenile and they've missed.
- [34:09]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
They missed their childhood.
- [34:11]
Mark Seale
Huh.
- [34:12]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
You feel that way about Fombie?
- [34:14]
Mark Seale
No. Fobby is not a dude to walk around with blue rags on his head or do this, do that. Father is a dude that owned a business. He owns a business.
- [34:22]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
He's a proud from insane crib right now.
- [34:25]
Mark Seale
He see, you know what I'm talking about, man? Don't do that. Walking around. Finally. Not walking around with a Raiders jersey on and. And a black raider rag.
- [34:36]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Raider jersey right now, today.
- [34:38]
Mark Seale
Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure he do. That's just one of his favorite teams. I'm pretty sure. Finally do that right now. But the thing is, he's not out there with a rag on his head. Just out there, just calls just in the middle of the hood, just causing the stir.
- [34:51]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
A Raiders jersey is a rag for somebody from insane.
- [34:55]
Mark Seale
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He don't do that all the time. Most of the time I see farm. He got a polo or something on.
- [35:02]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
What about trading. You think trading too old to be.
- [35:06]
Mark Seale
Man trade D is a man of intellect. Tradie, he's a man of intellect. He don't wear no whole bunch of. I actually, I've never seen him outside of him when he do his performances, I ain't seen him wear a whole bunch of raider stuff. And he don't be dressed like a gang banger. He kind of be dressed clean cut, got a little fade. You know what I mean?
- [35:25]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
On your mind. Gang bangers dress a certain way.
- [35:28]
Mark Seale
I'm talking about dudes that's just active. Gee, I ain't talking. All my friends are gang bangers all the time.
- [35:33]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Trading. When he wasn't a Raider jersey, he wasn't active.
- [35:37]
Mark Seale
Huh?
- [35:38]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Are you saying whenever Tradie is not wearing a Raiders jersey, he's not active?
- [35:44]
Mark Seale
I didn't say that. See, I didn't say that because the Raiders could just be his favorite team too.
- [35:48]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Or it could be the fact that this is the. The.
- [35:51]
Mark Seale
It could be a fan and it could be that too. But I ain't talking about the dude that's just over the top, man.
- [35:56]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
It's just like I'm naming dudes over the top.
- [36:01]
Mark Seale
You think. You think trading over the top trading.
- [36:03]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Is a insane crip to the day he dies. Same for Pondy.
- [36:08]
Mark Seale
Yeah, but they don't walk around with the with no blue, red, with no.
- [36:13]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Rags on their head jersey with a blower and a blow your head off. If you play with them or they friends right now, trading ain't gonna be like, oh, I'm a grandfather right now. You could play with me. I ain't gonna let you play with him. Being a game, being a gang member still is all saying, will you take the law in your hand to advance whatever? Would you take that?
- [36:38]
Mark Seale
Would you.
- [36:39]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Will you go beyond the laws, rules to. Would you go beyond the laws rules to advance your cause? I don't think you ever get away from that. If you, like, grew up how we grew up, I don't think Tracy. I don't thank Fombie. I don't think Dantana. I don't think none of them people you could play with them, they not gonna wake up and be like, I'm a grandfather. You know what? You could just punk me. That ain't happening. And if you play with them, they may not call the proper authority still to get with you, they might give you the justice you asking for right now.
- [37:18]
Mark Seale
Let me ask you this right here, right? You brought up find me, right?
- [37:25]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Yeah.
- [37:25]
Mark Seale
Fobby is More focused on increasing his revenue than he is on anything hood related. Every time I'm talking to him, you know he got that car shuttle business he got going on. He do security for trading. He traded security foam. Be always handling some business.
- [37:41]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
What makes you think that's what we wasn't doing as gang members when we was gang banging every day? You remember you found what Fondy was doing when you first met him was advancing his finances.
- [37:54]
Mark Seale
Yeah, we was kids though. We were doing it in a legal manner, in a legal fashion. Now he's doing it legally because he doesn't want to go back to jail again.
- [38:03]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
It ain't worth going to jail for that. Now there are certain things to Fombie, I'm sure if you ask Fondi, if you ask OG Fombie, is there things worth going to jail, he going to give you a list of things that he would go to prison over.
- [38:17]
Mark Seale
Gee, it's everybody with everybody has a point that they will risk it. All right? No, I got a point to where I risk it all. I go to prison to protect my family and mine.
- [38:26]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Because you knew you wouldn't go to prison for that.
- [38:29]
Mark Seale
I wouldn't go to prison for what? For protecting my family.
- [38:32]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Yeah.
- [38:33]
Mark Seale
I go to prison for self defense. Like. Like a. Hell yeah.
- [38:37]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
That's why you reference it as self defense.
- [38:41]
Mark Seale
Yeah. I wouldn't have to go to thing. The thing is I would do everything I can to protect my family and.
- [38:48]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
My loved ones within the laws.
- [38:51]
Mark Seale
No, sometimes man, sometimes the laws ain't man. Like the thing is this. If I got a blower, right. Let's say I got a blower, right? And that might not be legal. It might not be my race.
- [39:06]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
No.
- [39:06]
Mark Seale
But let's just say the situation is like that. Pretend like the situation is like that where I grab this pistol. You think I'm gonna be grabbed in the mix of stuff happening. Oh, I wonder if this heat is legal. This is not my registered gun, so I can't use it. No. I'ma bust dude down and worry about the repercussions later on.
- [39:21]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
You're not going to get an illegal blower still.
- [39:25]
Mark Seale
I might be at your house, dog, and somebody might have did something to you and I might have to grab your strap and get busy.
- [39:30]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
You're going to come with your legal blower then?
- [39:34]
Mark Seale
Yeah, it's good to have a legal blower. Because I don't want. Why? Because I don't want to go to jail.
- [39:40]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
So you asking me the difference between you and let's say MC8 is. MCA is not going to worry about if this blower legal. If he needs the blower, he. That's not the first thing on his mind. You know what? This ain't legal.
- [39:53]
Mark Seale
It ain't the first thing of mine either.
- [39:57]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Still, yes, it is. That was separation. That's what separates you from being a gang member. The only. I keep telling you, our lives ain't that different, right? We all grew up in street urban culture. Only difference is people like me and 8 decided to thug with our friends. You thug by yourself to some degree, but you also grew up and you're like, you know what? Most of this ain't worth going to jail. People like me, 8 tradie, we still think there's reasons to go to jail. 8 don't think to himself, you know, I got grandkids now. You know what? Imma let this do this to me.
- [40:29]
Mark Seale
No, bro, it ain't about me saying you just let a just do something to you. It don't work like that, dog. What I'm saying, if you a dude that's just out there, you 65, damn near 70. You pressing people, you banging on people. Where you from, fool? And all this and that. You don't think that's too old, dog.
- [40:47]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Still, they even oppress is understated, bro. You don't press people to say where you from. You press people if you think they're a threat to where you at. Where you from is a way to identify who is this foreign person within my realm. It's not like you just trying to be mean. You walk around.
- [41:03]
Mark Seale
Hold on. Ain't trying to say something. His thing ain't. No, no. Yeah, we still can't hear you, bro. But anyway, man, it is fools. That's too old to gang bang, G. It ain't never.
- [41:14]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
It ain't never an age still to change. Look, it's up to you. The day you don't ever want to go to jail for nothing is the day you done as a gang member.
- [41:25]
Mark Seale
Well, see, I'm saying this right here, right? I have legal guns, right?
- [41:29]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Sure.
- [41:30]
Mark Seale
And I do that because that's the right thing to do. That's a logical thing because I understand that we live in a time in society to where you should. Should have weapons in your house because there's people outside that could be coming. You don't want to be up there, right? You know, you don't want to be unprepared. You feel what I'm saying?
- [41:47]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
No. You don't think it's right to have Guns, you have to abide by the law. And that's your goal as a.
- [41:53]
Mark Seale
But that's all right as an American citizen to have guns.
- [41:57]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I'm not looking for America to. Being a gang member means you're not looking for America to give you rights. That's all.
- [42:04]
Mark Seale
You're trying to give me a hard time right now, bro.
- [42:06]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
You know what? I'm giving you a hard time, big bro. You know, I'm not, you know, I'm dead serious.
- [42:10]
Mark Seale
You know, some of these are too old to be out here doing the stuff they doing, man.
- [42:14]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
What are they doing? Still assessing a threat by saying, hey, where you from? Are you from around here? That's not too old to ever assess a threat. If you around the way.
- [42:22]
Mark Seale
If you. So you somebody's grandfather and somebody some his little grandson bring his friend home. And that little dude got some red strings in this show. You think grandpa should ask him like, hey man, where you from?
- [42:33]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I mean, is he active? Is. Is his grandson friend active?
- [42:41]
Mark Seale
Colors, huh? The thing might be his. It might be his. It might be his school colors.
- [42:52]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Okay, so then once you. Once you assess the threat and ask this man where he from, then you gonna know.
- [42:59]
Mark Seale
Say something.
- [43:00]
Martin Luther King III
One, two.
- [43:01]
Mark Seale
Yeah, yeah, you on now. What was you saying, man? We saw your mouth moving.
- [43:06]
Martin Luther King III
I was saying that I don't think that, you know, necessarily that you got 70 year old, you know, putting bandanas on their head, pulling up on like, yeah, bloody cuz where you from, homie? Like, like Glasses said that's only gonna be in the. In the expectation of. I already had an issue with this dude. Or it's, it's. It's a situation to where I might need to have some words. But at 70 years old, I don't think no dude who's still in his neighborhood is going around actively. Like, I'm gonna jump in the car full deep with the homies and we gonna put bandanas on. And you know, that's comical still.
- [43:55]
Mark Seale
I'm gonna tell you now, the homie, I told him, Marv just got at somebody. I ain't gonna get to talking on this thing too much. But he stocked the out.
- [44:04]
Martin Luther King III
But like I said, that's probably. That's probably some other. That's probably some other deep rooted issue.
- [44:10]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Marv is older than gang banging. Marv is a fool. It has nothing to do with gangs. Like, Marv is the real deal. Nut. He is serious. Marv is older than the first Crips. The first Crips was born in 53. I think Marv was born in 49. You can rest assure whatever margin.
- [44:30]
Martin Luther King III
You ready to call him up and see what he done did your ass.
- [44:33]
Mark Seale
You.
- [44:34]
Martin Luther King III
You was. You was messy and crazy.
- [44:38]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Listen, whatever. Marv is that way.
- [44:41]
Mark Seale
I want to put you on here real quick. I told them, Marv, when the last time you don't suck somebody out. You trying. I'm gonna put you on the podcast right now. Is that cool? Oh, it's against the Chronicles. I'm just gonna put you on for five minutes. Just real quick. I want to ask you a question, all right, sure. Hey, y'all, we got the homeboy Marv here. Marv, just for the record, how old are you?
- [45:03]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
75.
- [45:05]
Mark Seale
75. When you turn 76. That's glasses Malone. He said when you turn 76.
- [45:12]
Glasses Malone
I. I just. I just turned 75 February 4th.
- [45:17]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
What Marv got going on, Marv is for real. This don't got nothing to do with gang banging. Marv just not playing. You keep chalking more behavior up to something to do with gangs. Marv was on some period. If gang stopped today and there was never no more gangs, Marv's still gonna be on the shitty own. They don't have nothing.
- [45:34]
Mark Seale
Did you hear that, Mark?
- [45:36]
Glasses Malone
Huh?
- [45:37]
Mark Seale
Did you hear what Glasses said?
- [45:40]
Glasses Malone
He said?
- [45:41]
Martin Luther King III
He said.
- [45:41]
Glasses Malone
Yeah, I heard what he said about what's the discussion about?
- [45:45]
Mark Seale
We're talking about, is it ever a time for somebody to be too old to be. Be active?
- [45:51]
Glasses Malone
What do you define active? Sitting in the park holding your nuts ain't active.
- [45:56]
Mark Seale
I'm talking about where you really out there pressing people. Do you think that because, see, Marvin, the thing is, you're not out there pressing people. You actually a well spoken man. You're not out there pressing between nobody.
- [46:06]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Trying to make game makers like they.
- [46:08]
Martin Luther King III
Just after a certain time.
- [46:10]
Glasses Malone
You ain't gonna press nobody nowhere. 45, 50 years old, you're gonna get your ass beat. These youngsters ain't playing.
- [46:21]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I mean, they some.
- [46:23]
Glasses Malone
It ain't no more punching me. Ain't the bully like life is over. You know, they say, old man for council, young man for war. Ain't no more OGs. Emojis that you call OGs is hanging in the park, slapping dominoes, talking about what they did in 77 80. Nobody care about 77 80. It's 20, 25.
- [46:44]
Martin Luther King III
What are you doing?
- [46:44]
Glasses Malone
Now?
- [46:46]
Mark Seale
That's real spit, man. That's real spit.
- [46:49]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Yeah, but can you hear me? Hold on, hold on. Can you hear me, Mark? Yeah, this glass is big dog. I'm trying to tell Steel, I'm trying to tell Steel who you are don't have nothing to do with Elm Street. You not playing with nobody, period.
- [47:08]
Mark Seale
He said he ain't from Elm Street Garden.
- [47:10]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I'm sorry, Mark. Who you are has nothing to do with Pyru.
- [47:16]
Glasses Malone
Yeah, Our neighborhood. I'm from my street. I was born on Elm Street.
- [47:25]
Mark Seale
Yeah.
- [47:25]
Glasses Malone
Equal treetops first, and then they turned into cedar blocks.
- [47:29]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Facts. So what? I'm telling him more. You was this way before anybody told you they didn't have to organize you to be this way. Marv, you was already this way. I'm telling. Still, I don't think he heard your story that you was in the penitentiary when gang banging started. He was in trouble already when gang banging started.
- [47:52]
Glasses Malone
When it's so. When the first Crips came to Y. I was already there. When Cunningham, after the balloon killing, he was the first crypt that came to San Quentin. I was there.
- [48:05]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Still, he not playing. This don't got more of not playing.
- [48:09]
Mark Seale
I know Marv ain't playing. See, I think y'all confusing what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about Marv. Marv's gonna be walking around with no rag on his head, slapping dudes in the back of the head, talking crazy. I've seen dudes trying to do that.
- [48:20]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Nobody's 75. Slap nobody in the back of the head still.
- [48:25]
Mark Seale
I ain't saying, oh, 75 people in their 50s, Marv, would you agree this A lot of older men out here faking the funk.
- [48:36]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
People 55, 56, walking.
- [48:38]
Glasses Malone
Around, slapping years old, hanging out with 20 year olds, talking about what you did back in the day. If you did what you said you did, you'd still be on death row. So it's a lot of false scenarios. That's why we're in the position we in as blacks. Because we got 30 years of OGs not being able to relate, Joe. And you got these old dudes misleading, misleading kids or what gang activity or what the. The creation of. I can only speak for Pirou from Compton. What bloods do in la, it's a whole different entity. All right? For the Compton car. We don't have enough education on us giving the real of what is supposed to be done. I ain't got no IBS on blocks in prison. All my enemies was peck of woods and Mexicans. I ain't never done nothing to a black. Ain't had it coming. I don't just shoot at folks. I. I ain't got no Crip mad at me for Killing another crip Mine all been economics for these dudes. And I feel the same way. Produce been down 20, 30 years and get out here calling themselves OGs, but you can kill the black, but you ain't killed no white boy or Mexican independent in 30 years. What kind of sense that makes?
- [49:57]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
There you have it.
- [49:58]
Mark Seale
Still there you have it, Marv. I appreciate you, man. And we got to get you on mar. When you gonna be back in town?
- [50:09]
Glasses Malone
I leave on the 8th. Going to. I'll be back from the 15th until the 30th.
- [50:14]
Mark Seale
All right, we go hook up, man. I won't hook up with you, Big Dog.
- [50:17]
Glasses Malone
Oh, for sure, man. Love you, man.
- [50:20]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Much love, Big Dog. Love you too, man.
- [50:22]
Glasses Malone
Yesterday.
- [50:23]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Yes, sir. I'm on you. When you get back, man, we're gonna make sure we politics, okay?
- [50:28]
Glasses Malone
For sure. All right. Thanks for calling, Steve.
- [50:31]
Mark Seale
For sure. Be safe out there, Big Dog. That's my boy right there. See, he's just living on man stuff. See, that's not him gang banging on.
- [50:39]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Nobody gang banging his man stuff. You thought it was something different, and that's what I'm saying. You persecuting some. You don't realize. I don't persecute.
- [50:47]
Mark Seale
I just asked. I just asked. Is there. Because I didn't start it. We talked about 8 made a reference to Jim Jones, right? He said that Jim Jones is winning right now because people love authenticity. They see him going to these neighborhoods and they like it.
- [51:02]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Yes.
- [51:07]
Martin Luther King III
I speak on the fact that anytime somebody see, you know, some of this gray or know that your career was, you know, 20, 30 years ago, and then first of all, it's attention because all go. You are old. You feel me? That's the first thing with. With the hip hop.
- [51:32]
Mark Seale
The.
- [51:32]
Martin Luther King III
The tag is that you get a certain age, then you shouldn't be rapping anymore. And so it's kind of a. A up situation when a lot of your music was neighborhood music. And now you're 50 years old. And so people frown upon, oh, this was hanging out with the on the block last night. And this was in Compton with the Bloods over at Gonzalez park or this day. And then they frown upon it and they go too old to be gang banging.
- [52:13]
Mark Seale
This is how I feel, right? I'm speaking him saying about people, you know, calling people old and telling people what they're too old to do first.
- [52:21]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
You know, right now.
- [52:23]
Mark Seale
No, listen, hold on. But not. This is a whole different thing, bro.
- [52:26]
Martin Luther King III
I mean, because if I turn around right now, the seen me on the corner with some Cortez on and some khakis and a white T shirt. First thing they gonna say is, that ain't too old to be gang banging out here. And they got to spell, like, putting on some Cortez and some khakis today. But that fits the demographic of I used to gang bang or whatever, and I used to rap or whatever, and I talked about the hood and all that. So what you. You. You too old to be doing that. You should be uplifting the. Or you should be telling, you know, how to come up and get up out of this, get up out of that, and get up out of that. So they tag us to a certain extent of. Of, of, of. And I say the winning because it's still in the hood. It's still in the hood. And they don't look at it like that. They look at it like we got representation of us, and we love that type of. But everybody frowns on it. It says, too old to be done.
- [53:35]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
My big homie plugs 60. That's my low right now. If I hit him up, he gonna be like, what up, cuz? If I hit iced tea right now, cuz was born at 58, you're gonna be like, what up, G?
- [53:45]
Martin Luther King III
Cuz?
- [53:45]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I love that.
- [53:47]
Mark Seale
Like, see, that's just them being who they are. Gee, that's. You know what I'm saying, bro, you're just trying to exist.
- [53:53]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
No, I'm telling you, I think you have this negative perception, like an outsider, even though you saw it up close and personal. So I think that's the disingenuous part. Like, we was talking.
- [54:03]
Mark Seale
Let me say something.
- [54:04]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Talking about it earlier today, where you was talking about how Fabian and brought you in. They made sure you ate. They made sure you made some money. They looked out for you. They showed you genuine interest. I'm sure it come with some other, but it comes with love, right? Because that's just how we live.
- [54:20]
Mark Seale
But if you really just genuine people.
- [54:24]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
No, that's what most homies is. Most homies is like that there are situations that break down, and you get the worst of some people who've been through a lot. And that's just what comes with being from a poor community, period. People been traumatized, people friends been shot, people mom died, people mama on drugs. A lot of mental things is happening to people traumatically. And then that becomes a representation of what people think gang banging is. But no, that person just a fractured person. I got homies. My homies right now was grown and all adults, them take care of their family. They Take care of their grandkids. They do all of the same thing any man do. No different than eight go to their kids football games. They do all the same. And if you play with them, they'll hurt you. That's still gang banging at that age. They still representing the community.
- [55:12]
Mark Seale
To me, that's just being a man.
- [55:13]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
That's all gang banging is still.
- [55:15]
Mark Seale
I've seen some. See, I think me and you. You know what I'm talking about? You know what I'm saying, right? The thing is, gee, that's man stuff to me. If you mess with something, I'm gonna do something to you.
- [55:27]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Yeah, but you're gonna do it within the laws. Ramification.
- [55:31]
Mark Seale
No. When I get on your ass, I'm really gonna get on your ass. Ain't gonna matter at that point.
- [55:38]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
It is gonna matter, because that's the only thing that makes you not a gang banger. That's the only thing that makes the everyday civilian not a gang maker. The law becomes the ultimate standard of how they gonna live their life. People like that come from our walk of life. They're not. The law is not the ultimate judge of how they're gonna live their life. They're not just.
- [55:56]
Martin Luther King III
We didn't think about. We didn't think about. I know if I get caught in the alley selling rocks that whatever, I'm going to jail. You feel me? I know if I jump in the car and we go do this busing and I'm going to jail. Like, there was no. Like, should I do this? Because I could get time and I could. We going to mount up. We going to mount up. If there's no thinking. And in an average citizen like you, you gonna be like, yeah, I'm gonna jump in the car with y'all. But then while we rolling, I'm gonna be out there, I'm gonna be Cuba, and I'm gonna be too late. Let me the out y'all. My. But you know, I'm not doing it this way because you in my neighborhood and we doing that. Oh, you about to claim the hood. You're gonna be from the hood. Or it's gonna probably be some conflict when you say no, because now is looking at you like you the whole.
- [56:59]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Making money over here.
- [57:01]
Martin Luther King III
You serving with us, you eating with us. Come through and bust. You pulling out the deuce, deuce and busting back. Why you ain't from the hood? And then when you start going, now I'ma start thinking something is the problem.
- [57:17]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
You just taking advantage of us.
- [57:18]
Martin Luther King III
You might garner a Few enemies in the hood now because of that.
- [57:22]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Because now you're just taking advantage of us, man.
- [57:25]
Mark Seale
You know what though? I'm gonna tell you the honesty God truth. She finally told you. The day the fondly got locked up was the day he was playing. He told me. He said we was gonna put you on. You was gonna be from Long beach insane. We was gonna beat your ass. You was gonna show up, we was gonna jump your ass, we was gonna jump your big ass and rush you to be from hood. Because everybody said this dude is always with us. How come he ain't from the hood?
- [57:47]
Martin Luther King III
Yeah, yeah. Back then, man, back then, loyalty was everything. Like, you ain't coming over here drinking up the 40, making a couple of dollars off the corner and you ain't trying to be from insane.
- [58:02]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
America, America, America the same way. Hey, when it come to a draft, they like, what, you ain't trying to fight you. You benefit off this country.
- [58:11]
Martin Luther King III
Exactly. Oh, you finna go? If you joining up right now or.
- [58:18]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
You going to jail.
- [58:20]
Martin Luther King III
Yeah, which one you would do? You would go to jail. Jail or you gonna drive, you gonna join up? Put that green rag in your back pocket in this.
- [58:29]
Mark Seale
Tell me all the time, he say, if I wouldn't have went to jail and they'll be from insane. I'm telling you, he's dead serious. He said we was gonna beat your ass.
- [58:37]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Oh, them taking care. Listen, I keep telling you, being a gang member is not the. The dumbass thing that people think. It's really just everybody you knew growing up, for the most part, these all the same people. Y'all committing crimes together. Don't always be about crimes. Most of the days in the hood is like Friday. You just chilling and you joking with you trying to make some money. Somebody lying about something you calling out online, you may fight, you know, I mean, it ain't the way everybody think. It's a really a camaraderie. I'm not trying to sell it to people that because if you ain't grew up where we from, I really think you shouldn't be able to be from the hood, man.
- [59:13]
Mark Seale
I almost lost my football stuff G behind that, man. I started hanging out with them dudes so much, man, doing what I was doing that I stopped going to class. I would go to practice, but I might stand out there all day and catch the bus to practice and ride back one homies and go back. Because it was fun though. We did stuff. I made money, man. I had some influence. I had. It was. It was good, dog. It Was fun. I can see how a young dude is attracted to that, but.
- [59:44]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
But you not really supposed to. It's not really like, I don't know how somebody gets put on a gang that didn't grow up with the people. Like, how do you even motivate yourself to go shoot for a bunch of strangers? You might as well join the army or the marines at that point. At least they gonna pay you. My homies is different, you know, I mean, I knew them my whole life, the young ones, I raised them. The older homies raised me even before I wasn't doing nothing. When I was going to school, I would see them every day. For me, the people my age, we would play as kids. So that is the motivation when something go wrong to go stand up for them. It ain't got nothing to do with that sign at the corner. That's just what we call each other. That sign don't mean nothing. The blood running through my homeboy body means something. The sign don't mean nothing. The sign means us. That's all it means. And we gonna be that way even when we somewhere else. It don't have nothing to do with that. So I think a lot of the perception of gang banging is rooted in ignorance. People don't know, so they think it's something more than just really some people from this area coming up together, trying to make something of themselves. So when you sending me somebody at 65 gang banging, I'm looking like, what do you mean what are they doing? Are they out there selling dope? Do you think I see something wrong with somebody 65 selling dope? How else they gonna make their money? What are they doing? What else could they be doing? Are they out there? Did somebody do something today to their little homie and they busting at 65, you a cold if you 65 hopping in the car to go get somebody. I'm not playing with him that serious. And this for sure got to be his 30th time doing this. Because you don't just pick up the heart at 65 to do this. That means you didn't got away with this a lot of times or you just got out of jail for doing this. Either way, I'm not playing with that man at 65. That's gonna hop in the course still. So when you ask, you know what.
- [61:31]
Mark Seale
I just thought about?
- [61:32]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Too old to put somebody.
- [61:34]
Mark Seale
You know what I just thought about, right? Yeah, the Italian mafia, right? Them dudes don't usually get made until they in their. Either they 30s or they they older, right? And they move on up most of the bosses and mafia is who older people, right? Do you think it's a double standard when it comes to that?
- [61:54]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
I think you being. I think yes, you are. I think yes, y'all are racist and prejudice when it comes to black people and how we grew up together as poor people. But y'all watch the movies with them old white men and y'all look up to that. Y'all. Oh, they cool because they wearing suits. Man, them suits murder them murder everybody. The man gang banger can't compete with no mafia. The mafia people will put a hit over your ass on everything. They will. And they not. They not like you guys be a.
- [62:21]
Martin Luther King III
Hundred eating linguin in the restaurant and don't tell a soul. Like the just laying there dead at the table just got smoked. They buried you somewhere and just don't say nothing. So our. Our reputation of gang banging is always frowned upon, I think just because it's a black thing. I don't know. You know, anything we do as a people is frowned upon. Gang banging, playing sports and they get to dancing in the end zone is frowned upon. And oh man, why they doing that? Oh, why you came? They just frowned upon Kendrick at the. At the super bowl. You get me? But you know it. We. We take it on and keep it pushing because we know who we are as a people. That's all.
- [63:12]
Mark Seale
What was you gonna say about Sammy G?
- [63:14]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Sammy, they murdered over 20 some people. PB doing people podcast right now. He didn't told on people. Murdered all them people. And he'd be sitting on podcasts and everybody looking up to him. But you see a crib he didn't probably shot two, three. You like, oh, this come of the.
- [63:30]
Martin Luther King III
Earth or he the snitch. The biggest snitch or rat or whatever they want to go. He live comfortably every day, don't he ain't worried about a look on his YouTube information.
- [63:45]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
It's a Salvatore Sammy the boy Gravano. He got 625, 000 hours. 127 million views. He didn't kill all these people for no reason. Some of these people didn't die for just because some simple. They didn't want to turn over money for their business. And he knocked they head off. And they didn't bury their body. They family still ain't found them. He On YouTube with a million subscribers. And you want to talk to me about old gang maker. He on there that man every bit of 79 on there talking about who he murdered back 1967. You want to talk to me about gaming? Talk about that. I wish old gang banger would. I imagine took you out of channel he wouldn't have a million followers. You gang member. You see what they did to Tookie? They killed Tookie over allegedly robbing a man at 7:11 and robbing somebody and shooting them at a hotel. Allegedly. This. That's two people he got the death penalty. They put that underneath. We changed his life. Wrote books all kind of. They killed that still Sammy the Bull set up. They figured out he set up 20 murders. So you know it's way more than that because they didn't figure them all out. This then went got out of jail after murdering all them people. Right after murdering all them people, got out of jail, start selling dope in Arizona, went back to jail, got out and started a YouTube channel. And you interviewed him. But you want to sit here and ridicule me about is it too old for me as a gang bang told on everybody. He talking to a million subscribers about what he did in 1972. All is hypocrites, but we fry.
- [65:25]
Martin Luther King III
We frown upon our own type. You get me? That's. That's. It's always that, you know, you'll see people like, oh, why this still doing. Oh, you too old. And you don't did this still representing.
- [65:41]
Mark Seale
Yeah, man. First of all, the whole getting old thing, man, somebody told me the other day, man, you getting old. I said, man, this ain't like you say that like you hurt my feelings or something. This is my strength. This is my bags of honor. You know how much stuff I don't been through? You know how much stuff you don't been through? See how much stuff eight don't been through? Yeah, it's like we don't been through some stuff, man. We don't. We don't been through some. Some circumstances to get these grades in our beards, you know? Yeah. So I'm proud of it, man. I see nobody ever tell me he's nothing about being old. It's my strength.
- [66:14]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
That's why. That's why I won't let you convict me on this crippling. Like I'm out here being a great representation. I look at people like Dog and them people being great representation of what we could become and still be proud of everything we've been through. I look at 8, all the older homies and people that. That walk the path that I walk and then made it in the music industry. It changed their life and. And hell no. I Don't think they too old to be where they from. I'm proud that MCA is still mca. That mean the world to me that he ain't woke up one day, was like, you know what? I'm too old. I'm just Aaron. No, that ate right now. That message, his phone say big. Oh, when you see that, that's big eight. I love. When I look at something, I see Snoop Dogg iced tea. Why should we be ashamed of. Of our street cultural experiences? Feel me? If you're a righteous man, I'm gonna. If you the law ain't the ultimate judge in his life. Sammy the Bull got a million subscribers, Damn near on YouTube from talking about telling on these people and killing all these people. And you want me to look at some older black man that's, you know, surviving the best way he can and be looking at him like, man, you too old to be doing that. All that. Them old white man. How old was Paulie when they killed Paulie?
- [67:28]
Mark Seale
Probably on. On the good fellas.
- [67:31]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
No, Big Paulie.
- [67:33]
Mark Seale
Oh, you talking about Sopranos.
- [67:35]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
No, no, Big Paulie. The real Big Paulie that got killed. That when John took power.
- [67:41]
Mark Seale
When John got. Took power. Hold on.
- [67:43]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Big Paulie Collins Castellano. Big Paul died. That man was 70. The one that got killed out in front of Spark Steakhouse in the Lincoln back in the old.
- [68:00]
Mark Seale
Was he 70?
- [68:01]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
70?
- [68:05]
Mark Seale
How was the people and probably some other old men knocked him down, maybe.
- [68:10]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Let them tell it. They say, God, he set it up based off the movies, but they didn't know he. Oh, he gonna move out the way. They knew that man wasn't playing with them. They knew if they didn't take that man head off and try to take his job, that man would have had all them people killing their family killed.
- [68:24]
Mark Seale
Yeah. For real. For real.
- [68:26]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
So when y'all asking me, is there two aids? First off, if you 60, you hit somebody 25 upside their head, they probably gonna whoop your ass. So you ain't gonna be out there slapping nobody upside the head. Part two, if you 65 and you walk around this in a rag, you ain't gonna get away from nobody shooting at you. So you want to die anyway. You're a baby or fool either way. Lord knows, if you 66 and you hop in the car to go put in work, I don't want to say nothing bad about you, period, because obviously you a professional. If you 66 jumping in the car to go shoot at some still, you got to be the real deal.
- [69:00]
Mark Seale
Yeah, man. Shout out to all the OG riders shout out to all the OG riders.
- [69:07]
Martin Luther King III
And them.
- [69:09]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Do I recommend it. I'm not gonna say nothing to that old. That still killing at 66, man. I'll be the last to talk about him.
- [69:18]
Mark Seale
Marv is 70 something. He ain't nothing to play with. I would tell people, do not play with that man.
- [69:23]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
That man is before pot ruined, bro. When gang banging started, he was already in prison. You're not listening to what I'm saying. That means what he is don't got nothing to do with power. He was that way. And this just fit his way of life. He was already who he was. That's who. That's how all of this stuff work. This stuff really just make you more of a man. It don't mean the law is supreme. So you gonna. If you're a raggedy man coming into it, you're gonna be even more raggedy. If you're a righteous, you're gonna have power to enforce righteousness. But the law is just not the ultimate morality. That's it. The law don't matter. The law is not the judge. So you start to take away like. Like somebody. Like OG Fonby, feel me? Like he not finna go to jail for selling no dope no more. Now, I don't know. Now in quarter pieces, if Rocks was back in style and everybody starts smoking crack, he might open up a spot. Cause he gonna eat. You know what I'm saying? But what I'm saying to you is he gonna do what it takes to survive. Because that's what this thing is all about. And he ain't gonna let nobody play with his name right now at his age. Same with Tracy Davis. Tracy ain't gonna let nobody play with his name. You ain't gonna be playing. He ain't. For he might ain't gonna come look for you like he used to. But when he see you, bro, you got a problem. That's the type of line motor homie shady motor homie pluck all my older homies I send they six Them ain't playing a blow your head off. You playing with them, man. Don't play with them people. And I believe in that.
- [70:54]
Mark Seale
That's for real. Well, man 8 Having technical difficulties, man, we about to check out here. Glasses, I thank you, man, for coming and kicking it with your people, man. And always take enough for your cripping man and your gn.
- [71:06]
Maria Fernanda Diaz
Here you go.
- [71:09]
Mark Seale
That's it, man. On that note, man, we out here. Shout out to all the Crips out there. Shout out to all the bloods, all the Pirou's, everybody bang, bang. All right, we go all, all the people, all the human beings out there and we out. Well, that concludes another episode of the Gangster Chronicles Podcast. Be sure to download the iHeart app and subscribe to the Gangster Chronicles Podcast for Apple users, find a purple mic on the front of your screen. Subscribe to the show, leave a comment and rating. Executive producers for the Gangster Chronicles Podcast Norman Steele, Aaron mca Tyler Our Visual Media Director is Brian Wyatt and our audio editor is Taylor Hayes. The Gangster Chronicles is a production of iHeartMedia Network and the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcast Wherever you listen to your podcast.