INTERVIEW: Bobbi Brown Talks New Memoir 'Still Bobbi', Jones Road Beauty, Entrepreneurship, Motherhood + More

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary: The Breakfast Club — Bobbi Brown Talks New Memoir 'Still Bobbi', Jones Road Beauty, Entrepreneurship, Motherhood + More
Date: September 22, 2025
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, Lauren LaRosa
Guest: Bobbi Brown

Overview

This episode features beauty industry icon Bobbi Brown, discussing her new memoir Still Bobbi, her journey launching Jones Road Beauty, lessons in entrepreneurship, the realities of motherhood, branding, and living authentically. The tone is candid, humorous, and practical, offering inspiration and real-world business advice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introducing Bobbi Brown & Her Legacy

• Bobbi Brown is introduced as the makeup artist and entrepreneur behind Bobbi Brown Cosmetics and, more recently, Jones Road Beauty. The hosts clarify she’s not the singer Bobby Brown.
• [03:27] DJ Envy: "This is Bobby Brown, makeup artist, entrepreneur, owner of Bobbi Brown cosmetics and more. She has a new book out right now called Still Bobby."
• [03:38] Bobbi Brown explains the transition: "Bobbi Brown cosmetics was the old brand ... Jones Road is the new one."
• Co-host shares assumption Bobbi might be Black because her products work so well for darker skin tones — to which Bobbi laughs and details her career-long focus on matching skin tones authentically.

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2. Bobbi’s Entrepreneurial Journey

• [05:07] Bobbi discusses starting as a makeup artist in the 80s when “artificial” makeup prevailed. She saw a market gap for more natural, skin-matching products.
• [05:07] Bobbi Brown: “The makeup on the market sucked ... I met a chemist ... we made it ... started selling it out of my house.”
• The brand's early break came from serendipitous networking:
  [06:08] "I met someone ... said she was a cosmetics buyer at Bergdorf Goodman ... I got into Bergdorf Goodman."
• After four years, she sold Bobbi Brown Cosmetics to Estée Lauder, staying with the company as a corporate employee for 22 years.
• Bobbi highlights the importance of being an "intrapreneur" (innovative within a corporation) and always pursuing side projects to stay engaged.
• [07:43] Bobbi reflects on her 25-year non-compete clause: “I was 34 ... I counted on my fingers ... I’ll be in my 60s, I’m not going to want to work ... I’m 68 right now. So I started this company [Jones Road].”
• She credits health, wellness, and balance—not fillers or cosmetic procedures—for her vitality and looks: "I don't shoot anything in my face." [08:13]

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3. Launching Jones Road Beauty

• [09:09] Bobbi started Jones Road Beauty the week her non-compete expired, during the pandemic, with little certainty of success:
  "I just flicked the light up and did three things, and we launched the brand ... we're celebrating five years this year."
• Jones Road Beauty achieves billion-dollar status; Bobbi asserts the brand is not for sale [09:38].
• Practical approach to business: it isn’t effortless, despite appearances. Success results from common sense, hard work, kindness, and creativity instilled by her family.
  [10:04] "Everyone worked really hard ... Everyone had to be nice ... creative with your thinking ... When things didn’t work, do something else."

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4. Family, Motherhood & Balance

• [11:06] On working with family: Bobby’s son Cody is now CEO at Jones Road, his wife heads the brand, and their grandkids are involved.
  "It's about having your community, your posse, and putting your heads together and figuring out what to do."
  "The most important thing in my life is not to piss them off because I want to see those grandkids every single day."
• [12:29] Motherhood influences her multitasking abilities, helping her juggle numerous roles: "The greatest thing about being a woman and being a mother is we know how to multitask."
• The memoir is dedicated to her husband, her “light”:
  [13:33] "He is the light of my life. He’s amazing ... We’ve been married 37 years. It’s not easy, guys. Nothing’s easy."
• On marriage and partnership:
  [13:58] "I can't do anything without him ... He’s like, calm down, breathe ... That’s what he said to me on my way out the door this morning."

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5. Reflections from Writing Her Memoir

• [14:23] Writing the memoir was cathartic and revealing.
  “When people ask you questions and you’re talking about your journey, you start to tie things together ... I realized some of my entrepreneurial spirit is from watching all my family members.”
• On why she documents her journey and writes books:
  [15:46] "All I wanted to do when I was a kid was be a teacher and a mother. So I’m kind of both, right? ... I hope this book is going to serve as many different things for people ... you don’t have to be perfect."

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6. Advice for Entrepreneurs

• [16:49] “Try to work for someone first ... just think of it as being in school ... go work for a company that you admire ... don’t over invest.”
  • Emphasizes learning workplace basics, team skills, and building slowly.
  • [18:19] “It’s okay to work with people you don’t like, because you have to learn how to do it ... we’re learning things.”
• [19:07] On creating products: Make sure your product is genuinely needed and test it locally before scaling.
  “Don’t just go out there and do what other people are doing ... you gotta have a point of difference.”

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7. Views on Beauty Standards & “Authenticity”

• Actively avoids cosmetic injectables and artificial enhancements. Prioritizes wellness and self-acceptance.
• [21:02 & 21:05] On lifelong learning: “I’m learning so much ... learning how to hip hop ... there’s nothing I like better in life than dancing. Have you ever seen a Jewish girl dance? It’s not pretty, but I do it anyway.”
• [32:41] The name ‘Jones Road’ came from a random moment on Waze, not a deep strategy:
  “I saw Jones Road and I said, ‘Jones Road makeup.’ Instantly, I thought it sounded like a British bespoke brand ... I can’t use Brown. I might as well use Jones.”
• [32:44] On contouring:
  "What's wrong with your face that you need to contour?"
  "I think people are beautiful as they are. They don't need to change the shape of their nose."
• [38:02] Defining authenticity:
  “Just be yourself. Be real. Just be yourself. Be real. And all of a sudden now it's a trend.”
• [38:14] "I've gotten much more comfortable with who I am. And that's a good part about getting older. ... I tried on everyone else and it didn't work."

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8. Practical Beauty Advice & Market Research

• [39:04] On product development and market research:
  “I didn’t hire a market research company. I just asked people ... When I made my first lipsticks, I’d go to the park ... [nannies] from all over the world ... would try things ... That was another focus group. It's just common sense."

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9. Legacy, Brand Identity & Future Projects

• On being the brand—Bobbi Brown the person vs. the company name:
  [31:02] "People get confused. They think I am still with the brand, and I am not ... I don't own my name, so I can't just, you know, slap my name on things ... but it's okay." [31:40] "Bobby Brown the person is the Jones Road brand."
• [40:01] Hopes for the memoir:
  "I hope it gives them encouragement to ... live their life their way ... it’s not as difficult as you make it. ... Be naive. Be positive. ... just work hard and keep at it and just be nice."
• [40:32] On what’s next:
  “I did a series on YouTube that I can't seem to get enough eyeballs on called I Am Me ... I had a podcast with iHeart ... I don't know. Maybe I'll do something else. I don't know.”
• Bobbi is passionate about storytelling (her own and others') and recently launched “Beauty Stories” with Jones Road to explore diverse beauty narratives from real people.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [07:43] Bobbi Brown: "To be successful, you know, and not be good in school I think is something to consider."
• [08:13] Bobbi Brown: "You know why [I look good]? Because I don’t shoot anything in my face."
• [10:04] Bobbi Brown: "You had to be nice. There was no excuse not to be nice."
• [16:49] Bobbi Brown: "Try to work for someone first. ... Don't over invest ... make sure what you're doing is different than what's on the market."
• [19:07] Bobbi Brown: "It's ... why Jones Road ... is successful ... it's what I believe in, which is makeup that ... you just look better and you don’t know why."
• [32:44] Bobbi Brown: "Because what's wrong with your face that you need to contour? ... People are beautiful as they are. They don't need to change the shape of their nose."
• [38:02] Bobbi Brown: "Just be yourself. Be real ... now it’s a trend. Being authentic is a trend. Okay, great."
• [40:01] Bobbi Brown: "It's not as difficult as you make it. ... Just be naive. Be positive, and ... work hard and keep at it and just be nice."
• [41:45] Charlamagne Tha God: "Nah, I love Bobby. I love Bobby and I love her husband Steven. And ... you bring people together ... and I think we need those kind of safe spaces in this world that we're in right now."

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• 03:18 — Bobbi Brown’s initial intro and clarification about her identity
• 04:02 — Bobbi’s approach: Create foundation to match your skin
• 05:07 — Origins of Bobbi Brown Cosmetics
• 06:08 — Getting into Bergdorf Goodman and the Estée Lauder acquisition
• 07:43 — Dealing with a 25-year non-compete, starting Jones Road
• 09:09 — Launching Jones Road Beauty post non-compete
• 10:04 — Fundamental business values from family
• 11:06 — Discussing working with family in her business
• 12:29 — Motherhood’s impact on business philosophy
• 15:46 — On the drive and reason behind writing books
• 16:49 — Advice to aspiring entrepreneurs
• 19:07 — Jones Road’s brand positioning
• 21:02 — Bobbi on constantly learning, even at 68 ("learning how to hip hop")
• 25:21 — Skincare tips for young makeup-wearers
• 27:04 — Family sacrifices and parenting lessons
• 32:41 — The story behind the “Jones Road” brand name
• 32:44 — Hot take on contouring and body/face positivity
• 38:02 — Bobbi on authenticity and personal growth
• 39:04 — Unconventional, practical market research approaches
• 40:01 — Memoir’s intended message
• 41:45 — Bobbi and Charlamagne reflect on celebrity, connection, and community

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Conclusion

This episode is a one-stop masterclass on entrepreneurship, branding, and self-awareness, all grounded in Bobbi Brown’s real-life experience—her mistakes, choices, and victories. With humor and directness, Bobbi demystifies her business journey, explains how family and authenticity anchor her work, and encourages others to build their own path through honesty and persistence.

Final Quote [40:01]:

"Be naive. Be positive, and ... work hard and keep at it and just be nice." — Bobbi Brown

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For more inspiring stories and practical advice, Still Bobbi is available everywhere books are sold.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Guest Announcer / Promoter]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Co-host / Interviewer]

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[DJ Envy]

You feel me?

[Co-host / Interviewer]

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[Guest Announcer / Promoter]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Bobby Brown]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa is here as well. And we got a special guest in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The building, the legend Bobby Brown. Hello?

[Bobby Brown]

Which one?

[DJ Envy]

Now I gotta tell people which one. This is not new edition Boston.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My prerogative, Bobby Brown.

[DJ Envy]

This is Bobby Brown, makeup artist, entrepreneur, owner of Bobbi Brown cosmetics and more. She has a new book out right now called Still Bobby.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, hold on now. Bobbi Brown cosmetics was the old brand.

[Bobby Brown]

Oh, yeah, that was the old brand. That was the first one. Jones Road is the new one.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

I love that you have Jones Road. I'm just let you know right now. I hope this is not offending you. I thought you were black. I ain't gonna lie to you because your Bobby Brown wine honey is so good for my skin. Our skin. You know what I'm saying?

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

And usually, you know, you know, we only, we're the only ones who know our skin. But it's like, baby, Ms. Bobby, I'm.

[Bobby Brown]

You know, my background is I'm a makeup artist. I spent my life doing makeup and I had this crazy idea that you should put a foundation on that's the exact color of your skin.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Girl, the skin stick, the corrector man, everything. The, the foundation with the sunscreen, the spf.

[Bobby Brown]

Thank you. Yeah. Jones Road is even better. Okay. Jones Road is even better. But you know, I've, I've, I've done so many, so many different makeup, so many celebrities, so many women. And you know, it took a while to kind of teach women that you just want to look good, you want to look like yourself. I mean, I used to do Whitney Houston's Makeup. She did not like the makeup to look natural. She wanted a lighter foundation. And I used to fight. I'm like, you can't. It's gotta match your skin.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Especially under them lights. So thank you, Ms. Brown.

[DJ Envy]

But welcome, welcome, welcome.

[Bobby Brown]

How are you feeling?

[DJ Envy]

How are you doing?

[Bobby Brown]

Oh, I'm great. I'm great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want people to buy the book still, Bobby, but I do want you to give them a little bit of your history. Like, you started as a makeup artist. How does a makeup artist go from that to creating her first billion dollar brand, Bobbi Brown?

[Bobby Brown]

Well, I was a makeup artist that when I started in the 80s, it was all really artificial makeup and just really not attractive. And I started doing makeup a different way. But the makeup on the market sucks. It was not good. I used to have to fix everything. And one day I met a chemist and I said, hey, I've always wanted to make this lipstick. And he's like, I can make it for you. So we made it. And I said, I bet I could sell this, you know, And I. Then I thought about 10 colors and I made it and I started selling it out of my house, you know, when I had my first baby in my hometown of Montclair, New Jersey. And I would be going into the city to do fashion and Vogue and all that stuff. And then it just kind of grew from there. And one day I met someone and I talked to everybody because I think most people are nice and interesting. And I said, what do you do? She said, I'm a cosmetics buyer at Bergdorf Goodman. I'm like, oh, I have this line of makeup I'm working on. And I got into Bergdorf Goodman. Didn't shop there at the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Bobby Brown]

But I sold the makeup there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the rest is history.

[Bobby Brown]

And the rest is history. And then we sold the company to Estee Lauder after four and a half years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, see, I don't want to give too much away, but just break down the details of that situation.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

I didn't even know that.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah. After four and a half years, we sold to Estee Lauder. I stayed as a corporate employee 22 years. You could read the book, you could text me afterwards and ask me other questions, but, you know, so that was the first brand. And then I, you know, while I was. I think the only reason I was able to stay in corporate America because I am the least corporate person you have ever met. I don't break the rules. I just make up my own is I used to do all these cool things on the side I was an intrapreneur, you know, so I did a lot of different projects and you know, became a on Elvis Duran. I became the beauty editor of Elvis Duran.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Salute to Elvis.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah. And you know, by the way, that's how I met Charlemagne. I was lucky enough to sit next to him at a wedding. Elvis's wedding. Yeah. Which I guess is like six years. I think he just celebrated.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think so.

[Bobby Brown]

Something like that. And you know, and I just liked this guy and I'm like, let's have dinner. And he's like, all right, great. And we made dinner plans and the rest is history.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We've had a few of those since then.

[DJ Envy]

What foundation does Charlemagne use?

[Bobby Brown]

Well, he's got such beautiful skin. He doesn't wear any. That's his secret.

[Podcast Host]

The best of us don't.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

What would be the shade back then? Did you know him before that?

[Guest Announcer / Promoter]

I did not.

[Bobby Brown]

I did not. I did not. I did not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I love that you had a non compete for 25 years.

[Bobby Brown]

25 years. And so when we sold the company, I was 34. And when my husband said we got this non compete, I mean I always got Ds in math that I'm very proud of. To be successful, you know, and not be good in school I think is something to consider. But I counted on my fingers, I said, well, I'll BE in my 60s, I'm not going to want to work when I'm in my 60s. Fast forward. I'm 68 right now. So I started this company.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

You look really good. I'm sorry, I did not mean to.

[DJ Envy]

Say this damn like that.

[Bobby Brown]

You know why? Because I don't shoot anything in my face.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm shocked.

[Bobby Brown]

You look really, really freaking honestly. It's the truth, I think. But, but I'm also into health and wellness and fitness and you know, so.

[DJ Envy]

Let me ask you about that because it seems like that's the new trend now. If you watch any show on television is all about lip fillers and fillers and Botox and this tox and that tox and detox and red tox. What do you think about some of this?

[Bobby Brown]

I don't like it. I don't like, I don't like any of it. I don't, I don't feel it looks natural. I don't think it looks good. And I think, you know, the is how you feel and your lifestyle choices. I mean, I like to have fun like everyone, but I know how to balance and I know what to do to make me feel better. And when I look bad. I don't run to the doctor to say, fix me up. I look at myself in the mirror and say, what have you been doing that's not working? And change it. Wow.

[Podcast Host]

So how do you implement.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on. You cut her off? She was a grown woman. And you launched another brand.

[Bobby Brown]

Oh, yeah. I launched another brand when the day my non compete was out and which was literally a week before the presidential election. You remember that time in the middle of the pandemic, I just flicked the light up and did three things and we launched the brand. Didn't know what was going to happen. And this, we're celebrating five years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Bobby Brown]

This year.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Amazing. It's.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, it's been amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now Jones Road is a billion dollar brand.

[DJ Envy]

Now Estee Lauder is like, I got to buy this one now too, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, you're not going to sell. No, not.

[Bobby Brown]

We're not for sale.

[DJ Envy]

No.

[Podcast Host]

I forget what I was like. I guess now that we're here in this, in that part of your journey, like, business wise, like, what are your go to? Like, here's what I always rule of thumbs in business because you make it just seem so effortless. Like, oh, I met a woman at Bertolf Goodman and boom, we're in the store.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, it's not effortless. That's why you gotta read it.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, I know it's not, but. And not giving away too much from the book, but like, what are those things that you, you kept very near and dear to your chest at.

[Bobby Brown]

Honestly, every time. Honestly, I like, it's common sense. It's just doing things the way you do things. And it's doing things the way my parents taught me, my grandparents. I grew up with this loving family. Complicated but loving. But they were. Everyone worked really hard. Everyone worked really hard. Everyone had to be nice. You had to be nice. There was no excuse not to be nice. And you had to be a little creative with your thinking. And when things didn't work, you're like, all right, that didn't work. Let me do something else. That's how I lead business is like the same way I would lead my life. And I'm like, right to the point. Like, I don't, I don't mess around. I don't like when people are like talking about what they should do and how and strategizing. I've already done it. Yeah, I've already done it.

[DJ Envy]

Now, how do you work with. I know your son is the CEO of your new company. A lot of people say, you know what? I don't want my family a part of the companies because family usually mess things up. You can't talk to family. But you took a different route, so break that down.

[Bobby Brown]

I did not choose to work with my family, and my husband and I have always done everything with my husband, but our kids were not interested. Three boys. None of them were interested in beauty or business, really. And it just kind of happened. Our second son, Cody, who I named Dakota, which I thought was the coolest name, but he's Cody. He came to work with us on some growth things. He knows a lot about digital marketing. He's. He's. Now people meet us and they're like, oh, my God, your son is the. You know, is the guy. I'm like, yeah, I'm so proud of that. But so he started helping, and we had a C, a coo, we had a president. One by one, Cody started doing their jobs. And so it's like. It seems like the more we get rid of people, the better our team is. It's about having, like, your community, your posse, and putting your heads together and figuring out what to do. And he's been incredible. I mean, he's just been incredible. And it's not the easiest thing, working with the family, I'm sure. On top of that, my head of brand is his wife, which is amazing. And she's a very beautiful, tough, smart woman. And they have my two grandkids. So I've learned, you know, the most important thing in my life is not to piss them off, because I want to see those grandkids every single day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How has motherhood influenced your philosophy in business? Our beauty.

[Bobby Brown]

You know, the greatest thing about being a woman and being a mother is we know how to multitask. If I ask my husband or my chiropractor or any guy a question, they stop what they're doing and answer. You women, you ask a question, you know, we're on the phone, we're getting our nails done, we're chopping vegetables. So it's. You know, I just think being a mom, I have figured things out, you know, how to get the kids ready for all the things. I mean, you tell me, how's it like, you know, having four daughters and watching your success, man, and how do you fit it all in? Well, I know how you fit it, and you have the best wife in America.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's how I was about to give her all the credit. I'm just here, like, she. She handles. She's the CEO of the household.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And she makes our lives that much Easier.

[Bobby Brown]

And she just loves you, man. She does.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, so if I told my daughter that last night, my 10 year old, I was like, this is the most important woman in our life. Then my wife goes, all right, stop gassing it up. And I'm like, who else would it if not you? And I really feel that way.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

It's evident you dedicated your book to your husband.

[Bobby Brown]

He is the light of my life. He's amazing. And by the way, we've been married 37 years. It's not easy, guys. Nothing's easy, right? Is there anything easy in this world? Nothing's easy. I work really hard.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

How has he impacted that journey between the woman you are, your professionalism, business owner, all of that? How has he impacted that journey?

[Bobby Brown]

You know, he's. Look, I can't do anything without him because I'm the one that's like, oh, my God, how am I going to do this? I'm only four hours sleep. I just got back. And he's like, calm down, calm down, breathe. That was what he said to me on my way out of the door this morning. He said, breathe. I don't. I didn't. That was my first.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was there anything you discovered about yourself? You know, maybe something that even surprised you in the process of writing this book? Reflecting on.

[Bobby Brown]

Actually, yes. And I suggest everyone writes a memoir at some time in their life, even if it's not to be published, because it's very cathartic. You know, it's not like being in therapy where you discuss things, but when people ask you questions and you're talking about your journey, you start to tie things together. And I realized how watching Papa Sam and his car business, who came from another country, you know, watching my dad kind of go through different. He was a lawyer, but then he kept hating it and doing other things and then coming back to it, because that's what paid the bills. I realized some of my entrepreneurial spirit is from watching all my family members.

[Podcast Host]

The girls who are like, starting today, where they're not doing, like, magazines because everything's digital and they're trying to grow their brands like physical products. What do you advise them to do? Because everybody's online with a product now, right?

[Bobby Brown]

Well, you just, you know, I have a lot of, you know, female founder friends and male founder friends, and I help them all. And I tell them the same thing my husband tells me is breathe, first of all, and just keep doing it. You just gotta, like, how do you start? You just start and you just keep doing it. Put a Post up if it didn't work, figure out what you're gonna do next and, you know, and, and, and meet people. You know, get out there and meet people.

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna ask, you know, why is it so important for you to document a lot of this? This is your 10th book, like to share a lot of knowledge. Why is that important to you?

[Bobby Brown]

Well, I think somehow, you know, all I wanted to do when I was a kid was be a teacher and a mother. So I'm kind of both, right? I mean, I'm a mother. I'm definitely a teacher. I like to learn. I'm, like, notorious for, like, wanting to try new things and learn new things. I like to surround myself with really smart people to teach me things, but I also like to surround myself with young people that I would like to teach certain things, you know, how you can have. And I'm hoping this book is going to serve as many different things for people. But for a young person to read and say, wow, you can do these things and you don't have to do everything so well. You don't have to be perfect.

[DJ Envy]

I want to ask. We hear a lot of people all the time, women and men, that's trying to create their own company, right? Their own lipstick line, their own hair line, and it's very difficult, right? What would you tell that young entrepreneur that's trying to break through the doors and they're having problems? Target won't take their calls. Bloomingdale's won't take their calls. Macy's tells them no or they don't have enough stock. What do you tell that young entrepreneur?

[Bobby Brown]

Well, first of all, I tell everyone, try to work for someone first. Try to spend a year and, you know, just think of it as being in school. Go work for a company that you admire. I don't care if you have to be the receptionist or a social media manager. Just see how things are. And when you're ready to launch your own business, don't take and don't over invest because then you're going to be stuck. People think it takes a lot of money and do it really slow and make sure what you're doing is different than what's on the market. And if you don't know if it's going to work, just make a couple things figure out. You know, people come to me with these big decks and they're the most beautiful decks. I'm like, oh, this sounds amazing. Can I try the product? Well, I don't have the product. Well, how do you know it's going to work. I mean, you know, I had this one girl with a Harvard degree come to me with this beautiful deck. I said, all right, let me try it. She was a woman of color. She wanted to make this special sunscreen that looked. She didn't even know where the lab was. I'm like, how could you do all this until you actually know the product works? And you know, when you do have one that you think is great, put it in little containers and start giving it to all your friends. If they like it, then give it to other people. Like, just start slow. You don't need, like, people think you need it all figured out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you hold on. I want to say this is a woman who built $2 billion brands telling y', all it is okay to have a job.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, okay.

[DJ Envy]

No, she's saying, work for a year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So that's what I'm saying. But most people will be like, we have. We know a lot of entrepreneurs that be like, no, no, I don't want to have a job. You shouldn't have a boss.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah. First of all, you got to learn things like arriving on time, saying hello, or if you're late calling and saying, I'm so sorry. I. How do you learn those things? And you also have to figure out how you can work with other people. And so, you know, it's okay to work with people that you don't like, because you have to learn how to do it. Like, all these things in life, we're learning things.

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna ask. With makeup, it seems like it's a difficult industry. Right. And the reason I say that is, like, the red lipstick. Right. Charlamagne puts it on his lips, and he might have a reaction to it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a fantasy of his Bobby.

[DJ Envy]

No, it's not. Or, you know, something like that. You never know what product works with somebody's skin. How do you go around that to make sure something can work for, I guess, everybody? Or do you say, I'm looking for a particular market, and I'm gonna focus for that?

[Bobby Brown]

You know, either one of those work. It doesn't really matter. I mean, Jones Road is a clean makeup brand, so I know people are not gonna have problems with it. You know, I also know the only people that aren't gonna like Jones Road are people that like artificial makeup. If you like artificial makeup and want to look like that, you're not. There's other brands for you. So I don't have to be everything for everybody. But what I. You know, what I want, it's it's, you know, why Jones wrote, I think one of the reasons why it's successful is because it's what I believe in, which is makeup that when you put it on, you just look better and you don't know why. It's almost like magic. You're like, oh, my God, what happened? Because it looks like you. You look less tired, your skin looks more even, it looks fresh. But that's my esthetic. It's not every makeup founders aesthetic. And my biggest warning to people that want to start their own brand is don't just go out there and do what other people are doing. It's. You got to have a point of difference or you're just going to sit there and you're going to invest too much money. You're going to borrow from everyone, you know, and then you're going to be like, well, this don't work.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I saw your, your masterclass. And most people hearing that you want to be a teacher makes a lot of sense. Most people who teach while teaching, you're still learning a lot from other people. What are you still learning today with all of this success?

[Bobby Brown]

Oh, my God, I'm learning so much. First of all, I'm, you know, I'm learning a lot. I'm learning, I'm learning how to hip hop. That's, you know, the most important thing, which I need some help with. I love. There's, there's nothing I like better in life than dancing. You dance and I'm. Have you ever seen a Jewish girl dance? It's not pretty, but I do it anyway.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You.

[Bobby Brown]

Bout the dance, huh?

[Podcast Host]

I thought you were getting up the dance.

[Bobby Brown]

No, but that's how I wake up every day is, I put, I follow this guy in the UK who's a hip hop dancer, and I. And it just gets my brain going in the morning. But I know that wasn't the question. What was the question? Please, just.

[Podcast Host]

What are you still learning today, like at your, with all your success?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was the answer?

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, it was, you know, just trying.

[Podcast Host]

New things, I guess.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, I mean, just trying new things and just being curious and you never, you never know who you're gonna meet and what interesting things gonna happen because of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't say learning how to hip hop, though. Just say, I'm learning hip hop.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, I'm learning hip hop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Learning how to dance hip hop.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah. It's like the stuff I say to my husband about golf. You know, something. Oh, you're playing. Whatever I say, it's never the right.

[DJ Envy]

Thing about Golf I wanted to go back to your artificial makeup. What is the difference? And does that affect skin? Right? Cause my daughters dance.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And they have to wear makeup.

[Bobby Brown]

Oh yes.

[DJ Envy]

You know. Cause it's like hairs, back, lipstick and I always wonder will that makeup that they put on affect them later on?

[Bobby Brown]

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[Bobby Brown]

Learn [e-mail] they wash their face before they go to bed. Most of the time. If they miss it a day or two, they're going to be fine. But no, as long as you take care of your skin, then you're going to be fine. And it's not even the makeup on your skin that makes problems.

[DJ Envy]

It's like you see people with the craters sometimes I always wonder if that's like an effect of makeup.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jerry Curls used to do that too.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, no, I think I don't have no Jerry Curls. Look at your head.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm saying Jerry Curls used to do that.

[Podcast Host]

If your hair is dirty and it touches your face, you're like, my face Will.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, you've got it. You've got to clean yourself. But you also have to really realize so much of skin. You know, skin's an organ. It's the food you put in your body. And if you're eating junk food all day long every day, you're going to look like junk.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Damn. What about fried chicken? Bobby?

[Bobby Brown]

You Know what? Just do. First of all, I also went back to school, got my degree as a health coach. So fried chicken, french fries, those things that taste good, just do less of it. Just don't have it as your everyday diet unless you don't care about how you feel. I mean, maybe you feel good. I don't know. I don't feel good when I eat junky food.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Same.

[Podcast Host]

That's interesting to hear you talk about going back to school because a lot of entrepreneurs, especially in the beauty space too, will say they don't do school because it doesn't. Like nothing creative comes out of being in college and being in a classroom. A lot of people feel like that as well.

[Bobby Brown]

Well, I went to my third college, which was Emerson College in Boston. I went because I wanted to study theatrical makeup. They let me, they didn't have a course. They let me make up my own course. Well, I didn't know the word entrepreneur back then. I still don't know how to spell it, by the way, but they let me make it up. So I learned how to kind of craft my own road by, by going to school. So I have a degree in theatrical makeup. Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The thing I love about still Bobby the most is like, it just shows how rooted in family you are. And when you think about the two, you know, major brands that you've built and you raised a family, what were some of the hardest trade offs you had to make?

[Bobby Brown]

It was tough. I mean, you know, I, I, when you commit to a certain trip, if something comes up, I couldn't cancel it. You know, I once was supposed to do like this big fashion show and I said yes to it. It was confirmed. And then my kids and my husband said they're going skiing their whatever break it was. I canceled the fashion show. And guess what? They never hired me again. Oops. Oh, well. So every year I made sure I went to the principal the first day of school with lip glosses, say hi, you know, here's some, a gift for you. Could you please tell me what are the dates? Like when is the school sing along? When's, you know, the teachers conferences, because I wanted to be there. And I put them in my calendar, so I blocked those out. And I never missed one. I think I missed one out of all the years of the three kids, one of their sing alongs. And my kids are wonderful, but they got no talent. But I was at every sing along. None of them could sing, none of them could dance, but I was there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Looking back, would you change how you balance those Roles?

[Bobby Brown]

No, I got really lucky. I really did put my family first. And, you know, my kids might say I wasn't there all the time, but for a working mom, I was there. I was the class mom almost every year for at least one of them, you know, and it was so stressful for me because I don't know how to type and how could you be a class mom and not know how to type? I don't know how to type.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What would you say to women who feel like they can't have it all? Like they can't balance it all?

[Bobby Brown]

You do what you can. I mean, I got better as I got older. Like, I was not this Bobby Brown when I was a 30 year old, you know, worker or mom. I got better and I just learned. I, like, hacked my life. I just, you know, I hacked my life. Things that were stressful, like, you know, realizing your kid has a birthday party on a Saturday and you didn't buy a gift and you run out. You buy a gift and then you come home and you gotta wrap it and you gotta get the kid ready. I'm like, this is stupid. I went to the local bookstore and I bought gift certificates for ten and twenty dollars. And every time they had a birthday party, I just threw a couple in an envelope. I'm like, I'm done.

[DJ Envy]

I've been doing that one.

[Bobby Brown]

I know, but I didn't think of that.

[DJ Envy]

No, that's an easy one. A bunch of gift certificates.

[Bobby Brown]

All right, go ahead.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

We have six.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

I have six kids.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, my wife got six.

[Bobby Brown]

Wow.

[DJ Envy]

Married 24 years. Yeah. Six kids. Logan's number two, Madison is older.

[Bobby Brown]

I didn't know you guys were married.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, no, no.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Bobby Brown]

I was like, no, you look.

[DJ Envy]

She has a Mexican. She's married to.

[Podcast Host]

I don't own.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

I don't have a Mexican.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that sounds crazy.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

That sounded like saying my husband, black and Mexican crazy. We have two kids.

[Bobby Brown]

Two kids.

[DJ Envy]

Me and my wife have six.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

And I'm glad.

[Bobby Brown]

And you have four.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Four. Yeah.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

And I'm glad that Charlamagne asked you that question because that's what I'm trying to do now. Trying to balance, you know, the work, the mom life, everything I have going on in celebration.

[Bobby Brown]

Don't worry, when your kids are out of the house, you'll have it together.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Bobby Brown]

And you know what? So what? You don't have it together. I remember, you know, and I had to be a corporate person and dress up and show up like, you know, like I was Melanie Griffith and working Girl, you know, I didn't know anything. And I'll never forget Tina Brown, who was this big editor in chief was on stage once and someone asked her how she did it. She goes, oh, my God, it was a shit show. It was always a mess. I always forgot things. And that just gave me permission to be like, yeah, to be real. Like, that's my advice. Be real. Yes. Sometimes it's a shit show. And tell your boss if you're going to be late. Tell them if there's a reason you're not your best self. Maybe the kid didn't sleep all night. Whatever it is, yeah, you know, thank you. Yeah, be real and don't worry about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How important is people knowing Bobby Brown the person to Bobby Brown the brand?

[Bobby Brown]

Well, I think people get confused. They think I am still with the brand and I am not. The book tells the whole story. And yeah, it was hard, you know, I don't own my name, so I can't just, you know, slap my name on things or use it the way I want. But it's okay, you know, I've been able to. My husband, I have probably sent 20, 25 kids to college. So it's okay. I'm glad, you know, I'm at peace with it. And Jones Road, you know, just came. I found it on ways when I was giving my husband direction and I'm like, oh, that sounds like a cool name.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I feel like Bobby Brown the person is the brand now.

[Bobby Brown]

Bobby Brown the person is the Jones Road brand. Yeah. It's not. I know. It's complicated, right? It's complicated. But, you know, there's Calvin Klein, there's Armani, there's all, you know, Donna Karan. So it's, you know, it is the way of the world. But, you know, yeah, Bobby Brown. I mean, who knew people were brands? Yeah, but we are, apparently.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

I was always Jones Road. The significance behind that is just. You just saw it on Waze.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah. My husband said if I didn't have a name by Monday, it was a Friday, we were driving to the Hamptons, and my husband always has me look at Waze and Google Maps. Cause God forbid we're five minutes late even though we have nowhere to go. So my head was down and I saw Jones Road and I said, Jones Road makeup. Instantly, I thought it sounded like a British bespoke, you know, brand. And I thought, oh, that's a cool name. And I can't use Brown. I might as well use Jones. So he said, I like it. And it was available and that's how it became Jones Road.

[Podcast Host]

Why don't you believe in contouring?

[Bobby Brown]

Because what's wrong with your face that you need to contour?

[Podcast Host]

I think when you contour, it just gives you like this, like slim, like pull together. Like, I see the difference in photos when I contour, when I don't, my face is fire either way. But I do see the difference. But I do see the difference.

[Bobby Brown]

A lot of people that contour, first of all, it makes them think there's something wrong with their face.

[DJ Envy]

What's contouring?

[Podcast Host]

First contouring is. Oh, well, you go ahead.

[Bobby Brown]

Contoured is when you put something dark to make it recede. Like, I like to contour my stomach. I'm sorry. Put something nice and tight on. I will contour that all day. But my face, well, first of all, I don't have a lot of fat in my face, so I like to use blush to make my face look a little bit fuller. And I don't know, I think people are beautiful as they are. They don't need to change the shape of their nose.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, that's the thing I see online where they put the dark online and makes their nose look thinner.

[Bobby Brown]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

And you deal to your cheeks too.

[Bobby Brown]

And you know, you didn't have to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get a nose job. No, you got a nose job a couple years ago.

[DJ Envy]

I did not get a nose job. Yes, he did not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, he did. Right up here. Tell her what happened.

[DJ Envy]

No, I did not. I was snoring a lot. So when I went to the doctor, they removed the polyps. That was it. There was no nose job. It's the same nose.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nose just came back slimmer. I'm not judging.

[Bobby Brown]

I'm saying it's not. Did you have yours fixed? You have a beautiful nose.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm keeping mine.

[Bobby Brown]

How you lying?

[DJ Envy]

He does his eyebrows, though. You see that way, his eyebrows. You never did your eyebrows.

[Bobby Brown]

Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In high school. See, nothing to do with me being an adult.

[Bobby Brown]

And you know, guys are allowed to groom. Guys are allowed to groom. It's not a bad thing. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What was the most difficult memory or chapter for you to revisit while you was writing stories?

[Bobby Brown]

You know, it's really funny because I had a. You know, it's an audible book too right now, so I had a. I had to read it and I cried once and it was talking about my mother in law that I just adored her. And I just, you know, the hard part, the hard weird thing is all the people that were my family are not alive anymore. Right. Like my original Chicago family. I mean, my dad is 90 right now and he's still there, but he's the only one. You know, I lost a brother, I lost a mom, I lost my grandparents, you know, and it's like. And my 94 year old aunt Alice is still there, sharp as a tack. She has a boyfriend who's 95.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Bobby Brown]

And she's interviewing me on stage in Chicago when I come there at her retirement community. Wow. That's what I'm excited about, this book tour.

[Podcast Host]

When are you going to Chicago?

[Bobby Brown]

October 10th or something.

[Podcast Host]

Got you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did that make you look at your own mortality?

[Bobby Brown]

You know, look, it's weird because I know My parents were 20 and 21 when I was born. So I'm like, I'm just 20 years to go, right? I mean, it's like, you know, I hope to live over 90, but it's like, shit, you know, 68 guys. Like, it's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's young.

[Bobby Brown]

Well, keep it totally young.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Keep learning hip hop. It'll take some years off.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah. I think I'm gonna text Flo Rida to come DJ my birthday.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

And it's Flo Rida's birthday today, actually.

[Bobby Brown]

I can't believe it. I hopped. One of my best memories of my life is hopping on stage with Flo Rida.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Amazing.

[Bobby Brown]

He put his chains on me. And I also hopped on stage with salt and pepper. Ooh. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

So you did the apple bottom jeans? You did all that?

[Bobby Brown]

I did.

[DJ Envy]

And then you did Push It.

[Bobby Brown]

No, we didn't do Push It. We did get low. I got low with flow. I did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God.

[Bobby Brown]

Well, you know, my dad's name is James Brown. So when you meet my dad, you'd be like, James Brown. He's like, yeah, I feel good. How are you saying that for 90 years?

[Co-host / Interviewer]

James Brown. About James Brown and Bobby Brown, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Great.

[Podcast Host]

Part one of your book is Know where youe're From. Talking about yout Family. And then you go into your nana and your papa, Right?

[Bobby Brown]

Why?

[Podcast Host]

Why is knowing where you're from or how has that been so important in every brand you've created?

[Bobby Brown]

Cause it's who I am, right? It's. You know, being from Chicago has made me like a much, I think a much more like stable person with my feet in the ground. You know, I know Charlemagne talks about where he comes from. I just think it's important. And by the way, some people say my childhood was complicated. And I don't look at it that way. I mean, things happened and I moved around It. And I, you know, I take the good stuff, and I don't blame anyone for. For anything. Right. I mean, my mother. There's a story in the book where she told me I was really pretty, and I said, thank you. She said, but you'd be gorgeous if you had your nose fixed. Damn. And I didn't, clearly. And I just. It didn't define me, but it did push me to help people appreciate who they are.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so that. That. That's what steers you away from the contour, I think.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, I think so. And, you know, every time I'd go to Asia and I would tell the women they're beautiful, they would just say, oh, no. My eyes are this. And my. And I'm like, no. And, you know, in women of color, it's like, guys, you have this beauty that we don't have. Like, appreciate it. Your skin color, your features, everything. And, you know, to my fellow friends with lips, small, you know, that match their faces, leave those things alone. Right?

[DJ Envy]

People look so stupid with them.

[Bobby Brown]

Lip fillers and lips, it doesn't work for. Even when you just, oh, I'm just going to do a teeny bit. No, you look like a duck. I do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How do you define authenticity?

[Bobby Brown]

Just be yourself. Be real. Just be yourself. Be real. And all of a sudden, now it's a trend. Being authentic is a trend. Okay, great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Has your definition of authenticity ever shifted over time?

[Bobby Brown]

No. I think I've gotten much more comfortable with who I am. And that's a good part about getting older. You're like, you realize, I tried on everyone else, and it didn't work. That's right.

[Podcast Host]

I was gonna ask about your lightweight makeup approach. Like, that's like your. Your calling card. How do you deal with people who are on the other side that feel like lightweight makeup isn't as substantial or doesn't show up the best? Or, like, when people are complaining that.

[Bobby Brown]

Things are so light, it's fine. Stop complaining. Go use something else. It's fine. Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, like, not everything works for everybody, and that's okay.

[Podcast Host]

You have such a simple approach to everything.

[Bobby Brown]

Everything is simple to me. For real.

[Podcast Host]

It seems so like, to get to where you are and what you do, especially with product.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, you.

[Podcast Host]

It feels so heavy when you're trying to do it, but you are sitting here just like, no.

[Bobby Brown]

Well, first of all. And also, don't forget about your people around you. Ask their opinion. Do you like this? Like, that's how I started. I had these little, you know, I made Miracle Balm. I didn't know it was going to be this big company. It was during the pandemic. I put it in little things and I sent it to all my friends, and they would call me up and say, what is this? I need more. And it was during the pandemic. They would call and say, all right, I need more. I'm coming to your house. But they would stand outside and I'd have to throw it from my porch to them. And I knew I had something. But that's how I started my market research. I didn't hire a market research company. I just asked people. And when I made my first lipsticks years ago, I would go to the park, and the nannies were from all over the world. They had all different coloring and all different color lips. They would try things, and I would see how it looked on them. That was another focus group. It's just common sense.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

Amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you hope readers take away from Still Bobby?

[Bobby Brown]

You know, I hope it gives them encouragement to, you know, to live their life their way. And, you know, and it's not as difficult as you make it. Yeah, and just be naive. Be positive, and, you know, just work hard and keep at it and just be nice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I know this is just the first week of the book, but now that you've shared this memoir, what's next? Like, what are you excited to accomplish or create moving forward? Not even just in the beauty world, just in life.

[Bobby Brown]

You know, I try things. Like, I did a series on YouTube that I can't seem to get enough eyeballs on called I Am Me, which I interview all these really cool women. You know, I don't know how to get more eyeballs on it, but that's fun. You know, it was sponsored by JP Morgan, which is cool. And I'm like, all right, I'll just keep trying stuff. You know, I had a podcast with iHeart. It was cool. It was fun. I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I'll do something else. I don't know. Don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You get eyeballs on it by going on Mel's show. You go on Mel Robbins show and you tell everybody you have podcast into YouTube.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Co-host / Interviewer]

All right.

[Bobby Brown]

Well, that's on my list. I have her, and I have one other one, and then I'm good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, I wanted. This was on my list, so thank you for this. And by the way, when I became times 100th this year. Thank you. And they said, we're gonna reach out to someone. You Know who would you like to write this thing? And they said, we need five people. And I ranked them and number one said, yes, it was Charlamagne. But so I. So there I was, walking the red carpet, you know, Bobby, look here. Bobby, look here. People didn't say, how do you feel about this award? You know what they said to me? How do you know Charlemagne? How did you get him to do this? Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, I love Bobby. I love Bobby and I love her husband Steven. And the thing, I like that you bring people together. Like, you know that dinner you had with all of these different people from all different walks of life, the masterclass.

[Bobby Brown]

And just making everybody like Salman Rushdie was at that dinner. I'm like, I'm sitting there with like Charlamagne and Salman Rushdie, you know, and Don Garber, the Major League soccer czar.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Amazing conversation. Everybody, you know, put their phones down and just talk. And I just think that does so much in bringing people together, man. And I think we need those kind of safe spaces in this world that we're in right now.

[Podcast Host]

That's what your sit down conversations are like too. All those people. I'm like, I've never would have even known who these people were.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah, people are interesting. By the way, I love people's stories. And Jones Road just launched something called beauty stories because I want to share people's beauty stories. You know, think about your grandma, your mom, your aunt. Where did you learn and what things kind of stay with you.

[Podcast Host]

I love that.

[Bobby Brown]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Still, Bobby, a masterclass in leading an authentic life is available everywhere. You buy books right now.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. So make sure you pick it up. And we appreciate you for joining us.

[Bobby Brown]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

And thank you so much.

[Bobby Brown]

Oh, my pleasure. Thank you for having me, Bobby Brown.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club show.

[Bobby Brown]

Y' all done.

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[Podcast Host]

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