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INTERVIEW: Cam'ron Talks Petty Moments, Pink Horse Power, Paid In Full, Peace Of Mind + More
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Podcast Host
This is an I Heart podcast.
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DJ Envy
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Podcast Narrator
The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
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Cam'ron
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.
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Podcast Narrator
Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)
I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt, a young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Cam'ron
Hold up.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Every day I wake up.
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Cam'ron
Wake your ass up.
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Charlemagne Tha God
The Breakfast Club.
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Charlamagne
Morning, everybody.
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DJ Envy
It's DJ Envy.
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Charlamagne
Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lon LaRose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building.
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Charlemagne Tha God
One of the most hustling I ever met in my life.
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Charlamagne
Ladies and gentlemen, Killer Camron is here.
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Cam'ron
What's good, man? How y' all been, Killer? Good morning, everybody. How you doing?
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Charlamagne
How you feeling, man?
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Cam'ron
Regular, man. Good to be back. Ain't been up here in a little minute.
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Charlamagne
Before we go anywhere, I just gotta ask one question.
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Cam'ron
Yeah.
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Charlamagne
Are you gonna do another project, man?
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Cam'ron
Because you.
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Charlamagne
You play too much.
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Cam'ron
You.
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Charlamagne
You rap and then you stop, then you spit, then you stop. Then somebody pisses you off when you rap it. I'm like, killer.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Still got it.
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Charlamagne
Just do a project, Killer.
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Cam'ron
Like for what? Cause you're nice.
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DJ Envy
You're good at it.
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Cam'ron
Nah, pre. Now, of course, you know you my brother, I appreciate that. But it don't be making financial sense. Like if I'm gonna do a project, we're gonna get merchandise behind it. It's gonna be a tour behind it, everything else. But, you know, I do the freestyles on my show and here and there. But as far as doing an actual project, it'll be making financial sense for me. Like, you see, be rapping my age, it's only a few who could really go on tour who's my age be just thinking in their brain they're doing a lot, but they're not really doing what they think they're doing. Because when you. Like, for me, I was on tour up until 2020 when Covid hit, I was on tour, and I just didn't go back on tour after that. But every. Every tour, I had something lined up. Not just the show, it was behind it. You know what I'm saying? Can we curse? Yeah, yeah, it was behind it. But I'll keep the freestyle as far as doing the album. Albums be lasting. Like, a great album is like two weeks. You know what I'm saying? Like that. I'm talking about a great one. Last two, three weeks. Those shits don't last.
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Charlemagne Tha God
But even like an ep, just you and me killing murder.
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Cam'ron
Look, look, me and Mace got some. Now, I would do that. Me and mace got, like, 19 records.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Wow.
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Cam'ron
But I can't put them out. Like. Like I feel like my hands is tied with this. He'll get in the mood, and he'd be like, we gonna come out. Then he'd be like, nah, just wait. And it don't come out. I could play it for y' all when nobody listening. Like, the world ain't listening. But Mace is really, really nice.
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Charlemagne Tha God
What's his reputation?
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Cam'ron
I don't know. I can't tell you. All right? I'm like. He's like. He gets in the mood, and we gonna do. And then you be like, we not gonna do shit. And what we got going on now is too good to even question it. You know what I'm saying?
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Charlamagne
So you gotta worst two slick talkers out there, man.
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Cam'ron
But on some G shit. Cause y' all hear me do the freestyle shit. Mace is like, dumb nice.
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Charlamagne
Get busy.
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Cam'ron
Not like. No, I'm talking about. You know, you ain't hear him really rapping alone. That nigga's nice. Nice. Like a real, real problem. I don't wanna say he's better than me. I wouldn't say that. He's right underneath the paws right there now.
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Charlemagne Tha God
We saw the one where he spit on it, is what it is.
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Cam'ron
I forced him to do that. I had to beg, like, two months for that to happen. But. But do you know what a problem is for me? He sends me the. Where I tell him just stop sending me my. Because I'm getting frustrated. He do. I think he do this to tease me, to be honest with you. Yeah, I'm listening to this. Listen to this, and this never comes out. But I think he does it for therapy. He makes too much of a money besides what we do. Mace makes a lot of money. And I think. I don't. Like. I don't want to say that, but music isn't a priority. I wish it's the priority.
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Podcast Host
I saw you tell Memphis Bleak that Mace told you that. If you and Joel's in music or you and him even do anything that y' all put out, it has to be like a moment because of all that stuff. What would that moment. If y'. All, hypothetically speaking, if it did happen, what would that moment be? Is it a Mace.
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Cam'ron
Anything we do together. Like, Mace, like, if we get booked together. Mason moved for less than a hundred thousand. For him, that's just being nice. Like, he just don't move. He do too much other to where he's like, cam, if I'm not getting a hundred, I don't even call him if it ain't like 200, 000. Because he doesn't. He doesn't care. Like, he really doesn't like what he got going on. He doesn't care about doing anything else. So I'd be like, yo, Mace. Yo, listen. So and so on, the book is for like125,000. Like, you want to take 25? And I'm like. He's like, scam. You have to realize it's a moment when we're together. We haven't been speaking for 25 for 10 years. Why would we take that money? I'm like, mason, just a look. It's not a good look. So more of the story is he basically says, we haven't been speaking for a while. We getting older. Everything that we need to do needs to count. So kind of like when you heard me say that with Jewels, same thing. Juels has sent me into a record. Sent a record for me to do. Probably five, six months, maybe longer than that. And it was a good record, but it was like, you gotta be spectacular. We ain't do a song in 15 years, so that's kind of what you heard.
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Charlamagne
How did you and Mace get back together for people that don't know? Because there was. Y' all were going back and forth.
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Charlemagne Tha God
For years, and then Gillian Wallow, right?
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Cam'ron
Yeah. Absolutely. Shout out to Gillian Wallow. He went on Gilly and Wallow's show to. I guess his artist was saying that Mace was stealing from him or whatever. And when he was up there, he just was like. He basically, like, shouted me out in the cool way. He's like. Cause, you know, he did a diss record, and it was kind of crazy, the Oracle dissing me. He's like, I didn't really want to do that to Cam. And I was like. But he said in the cool. He's like, cam's my man. Then I went on Gillian Wallow. And then we talked, and then when we spoke, we spoke and we just kept it moving, but all because of Gillian Wallow, basically.
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Podcast Host
Click.
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Charlamagne
So, well, how'd the show come together from there?
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Cam'ron
So the show actually came together. We supposed to do a tour after we got cool, me, him, and Jada. That didn't work out. And so many people were inviting me to do podcasts. Like, yo, Cam, do a podcast? When you gonna do a podcast? And I'm like, I don't really want to talk to niggas for a living. You know what I'm saying? Like. Cause, like, I don't want to have to talk to nobody. But I do like sports. So I look at the phone I'm arguing with. Every time I hang the phone up, it's just say two and a half hours of me arguing with a. About sports. So I was like, maybe this is something I want to do. And I built a state, I gotta say, on stage. I built my own set out. And I said, I'm gonna do ESPN Meets the Hood. So that's why we wear suits on the show. But it was a professional setting. And then after that, I invited Mace on the show as a guest, and he's like, cam, what's going on? I'm just shooting this. I said, I got a budget. I'mma reach this budget and see if bike pause. And he's like, you want to be partners? I'm like, after I get my money back on what I spent, we could go 50. 50. And he's like, all right, bet. So we did about 10 shows, and a bunch of people called. So we ended up doing, like, 30 shows and ended up getting a really good deal. But after I did, like, five shows, he's like, my fifth guest, and he's like, be partners. Because I have nobody consistent doing it anyway. So that's how I came together.
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Charlemagne Tha God
I think y' all smoking, man. I think everything that y' all have done in the Media space. What it is, what it is in the Talk with sleep. I think y' all smoking.
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Cam'ron
Nah. I appreciate that. Thank you, brother. I appreciate it, man. It's all natural. It's all fun. And kind of me and Mace relationship is like, just picking up because the. The. We be talking about just regular high school or after high school. You got to realize a lot of our public life was publicized, so Mace got his deal at 21, I got my deal at 21. So a lot of y' all seen Music wise has been since we 21 years old, so.
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Charlemagne Tha God
And I also say, you know, if.
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Cam'ron
You whatever, but thank you for that.
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Charlemagne Tha God
If what you build only benefits you, it's not big enough. I love the way that you've empowered somebody, like Treasure. You know what I'm saying? And I know you got, like, a whole production team there, and she has.
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Podcast Host
Like, a network or something of her own where she can develop content.
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Cam'ron
Well, she has her own show. It's called Check out the Stat. And whatever she wants to do, she's able to do. We don't hold anybody up. We don't stop nobody from doing what they could do, what they want to do. She's big in the streaming world. You know, I'm not really twitching and all that. Like, she's big with Kasanai and her boyfriend's a streamer and everything else. But she just turned 24 years old, so it's really dope to have a dynamic of her being on the show, because we tease her about shit she don't know, and then she'll turn it back on us. Like, y' all don't know this shit, so it's good. Different generations being on the show. But definitely she has a bunch of shit that she has going on. But her show is called Check out.
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Podcast Host
The Step in the Moment with her, you and Adrienne Bronner. That went viral. That caught, like. We had a conversation about it up here, and when I watched the moment, I was so appreciative of it. And I'm not her, just because I know what it's like to not be able to, like, kind of say things or whatever. And when that went super viral, when people were reacting to it, how did you feel watching it? Because it was a natural thing for you to just do.
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Cam'ron
I don't really watch the shows, to be honest with you. We do them shits five days a week, and I keep it moving, so I didn't really. I never watched it, but it's in the moment. You're accent like, in the moment, see a lot of things y' all didn't see. We. We don't. We don't go live. We pre record. So I stopped the show like, six, seven times and asked him to stop. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like just once. It was like six, seven times. Because I know Adrian Bron. I have a relationship with him. So I kept asking him to stop, and he was like, oh, my bad, bro. My bad, bro. And he wouldn't stop. And her boyfriend was there, too. So I was like, yo, bro, you gotta chill. And he's like, not Kim. My bad, my bad. And he wouldn't chill. So basically I just asked him to leave. You know, I didn't really want. It was some of the parts that I wish would have got edited to where when I came back and I was kind of frustrated and I said some shit about him afterwards, which I didn't want the air, but that was just pure frustration. But in the moment, that's like my little sister, you know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, if you keep doing that shit, you're disrespecting her. And then if I ask you to stop, you disrespecting me. So now you're really in my house and you disrespecting me. So I paid him for his time and asked him to leave. Like I said, it ain't like he's a stranger. I know who he is, and we got some mutual friends as well, so. But in the moment, it was just disrespectful because it isn't like we asked you to stop several times, and he.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Apologized, and people were mad at you because they was like, yo, you. I guess they caught you saying something. Why you ain't saying his face?
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Cam'ron
That's what I was talking about. I mean, I was saying that because when I sat back down, I was like, I hate this thing. I don't really want to repeat what I said. And he's like, basically, yo, Cam, this down the third. Why'd you. Why'd you say that? It was purely out of frustration. That's like saying, if y' all walk me out now, and then you sit down, you don't know. I didn't sit down for the edit. And then you like, yo, this nigga. You know what I'm saying? I said a little more than that, but it's like that part should have been cut out. But it wasn't about saying nothing to his face. I said it to his Face. I walked over to him and actually escorted him out. It wasn't about a fighting situation for me or nothing like that. Just more of a. I think he was a little intoxicated, and he just needed to be escorted up.
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Charlemagne Tha God
He held himself accountable.
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Cam'ron
Yes, he did. Yes. My guy.
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Charlamagne
So any artist that comes up there that talks to your coach, you gonna pay him out.
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Cam'ron
The thing about it is, I'm not going if Terrence Crawford's there. I'm not walking up on Terrence. I'm not walking up to Covid. But it's security there. It ain't just us in there. It's other people in the. That's outside the studio. So it isn't just randomly me just putting things out. But I feel me and him was cool enough for me to do that.
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Charlemagne Tha God
And I'm glad you bought that pink horsepower.
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Cam'ron
Oh, yeah?
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Charlemagne Tha God
Yeah. Because I. I can't order it discreetly. I don't think so. I'm glad that you brought it up here.
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DJ Envy
Yo.
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Charlemagne Tha God
What is it?
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DJ Envy
I thought it was edibles. Like, what is it?
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Charlemagne Tha God
She thought to take one.
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Cam'ron
No, she could take one for a man. So basically.
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Charlamagne
And they deliver, too, by the way. You call it.
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DJ Envy
Okay. This crazy.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Told me that you didn't pick on fire. Talk about the honey pack back in the day.
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Cam'ron
The honey pack give you a headache?
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Charlamagne
Don't give no headaches.
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Cam'ron
Yeah, this is all natural, Ambassador. Yeah, it's all naturalist. From Africa.
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Charlamagne
From Africa.
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Cam'ron
I'm gonna show you the video, like, so you can see exactly where I went to get it. Because the thing about it is this. So they have this in the city, different places. But what happens is, I know people in Senegal, and it comes in on the boat, and what happens is when it's on the boat, they water it down. They double or double down, so it's more when it gets here. And basically, I keep a nigga on the boat for two months to watch our stocks so that we make sure we have the highest potency of it. But it's all natural. Leaves, roots, trees. And we just got the best product. It works. We've been doing this for four years. Probably made close to $10 million on it.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Wow.
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Cam'ron
And it's been really, really good. My man Sugar Digger, basically runs everything right now with that shit. But it's been really well. And the thing about. We have reoccurring customers. Niggas coming back. I guarantee it. Like Frank Lucas said, nigga. I guarantee it, nigga. Like, it's really going to work. But just asked me how long how long does it take? I said 10 minutes. I said I wouldn't go. Do that and go to the mall, hang out with your mom. Nothing else. Take that when it's time to go in. It works really fast.
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Charlemagne Tha God
It don't make your heart beat crazy.
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Cam'ron
Nah, everything is good. See? I mean, no, natural.
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Charlemagne Tha God
You never said nothing.
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Charlamagne
That's not a conversation.
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Cam'ron
We're going to have to be honest with you. I don't want to say too much because. But it has good health effects as well.
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DJ Envy
Yeah, I mean, I said ginger, ginseng, turmeric, natural flavor.
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Charlemagne Tha God
I know how y' all do. I'm gonna go ahead and grab mine.
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Cam'ron
Yeah. And take one per day. Cause sometime so drink the whole day. Just leave me with one for the whole day.
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DJ Envy
You said they deliver.
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Cam'ron
No, Order you something. Order something. It's like a shot.
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Charlemagne Tha God
You take the shot.
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Cam'ron
Yeah, take a shot, man. Yeah, well, you should take your own.
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Charlemagne Tha God
That's why you got six kids.
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Charlamagne
That's why I got six kids.
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Podcast Host
Kim, what conversations were you having where you were like, you know what, cuz? This what I'm bringing next with the pink horsepower?
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DJ Envy
Like, who was your market study for this situation?
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Cam'ron
The pandemic? That's when I saw that. Like I said, it was on tour. Nobody was doing but at home. And like I said, I knew somebody from Senegal who actually brings it in, and he was giving me some, and he's like, cam, this is watered down. If you want the highest potency, we could go to Senegal. And I'm like, you serious? And I'm like, so I took the trip and I seen how is manipulating it on the boat and how. Because it's a lot of places who say, I got the shadow. They'd be like, I got Cam. What I got. Cam said, we got the same. No, you don't. You are getting it from the niggas that's watering it down, bringing it over here. And we're getting the highest potency possible.
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Charlemagne Tha God
Let me ask you a question. What was your favorite viral news network moment? Was it the 60 Minutes joint? Was it the Bill O'Reilly or the CNN drinking pink horsepower?
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Cam'ron
CNN. CNN. CNN, by far. Because first of all, like, Bill O'Reilly. I didn't know who Bill O'Reilly was. Like, I remember being in Rockefeller. And they was like, cam, do you want to go? Bill O'Reilly, he's like, big. He's on Fox. Y Y. I said, I bet. He's like, But I'm telling you, Cam, he's like, one of these. This you Don't. I'm telling you, don't know. He gonna come at you. Pause. I'm like, good. Let's figure it out. So I had no Idea who Bill O'Reilly was. I just went up there and just debated the like, it. I don't give a 60 minutes. I was mad high. I ain't gonna lie. I was super duper high on 60 minutes. I was wild high. And pardon me, that was cool. But the CNN that just passed, they kept calling me, and I'm like, yo, I'm cool. And they was like, yo, it's gonna be a Puffs. And I'm like, puffs, questions and all that. I'm like, nah, I don't want to do it. Then they said, well, we'll talk about other things. So I was like, bet. Can we pre record it? I'm like, absolutely not. It has to be done live. So in case y' all try reneg on what y' all said, I'm gonna expose the situation because I told you I don't want to be up here answering a bunch of pu. And when we got up there, I said, I do wanted to, but you kept forcing the issue. I bet. Let's do it. Pink Horsepower commercial, the whole. So that's how that went. But that was my favorite one out of all.
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Charlemagne Tha God
I know. Sales was crazy for Pink.
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Cam'ron
Crazy. And to be honest with you, that's kind of how to be honest. How it kind of catapulted because sugar's running around, you know, going hand in hand. But Gilly show, sales went up 400. Then I did. Now, pardon me, Nori show, when I did drink champs, first, it went crazy. Then I did Gilly show, and it went crazy. And that was another reason I started the podcast. I'm like, I could shoot a commercial for this every day on my own. Matter of fact, should get some more backup history. Yeah. So hopefully the sales will be a little better after doing you guys show, man.
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Charlamagne
Now I tell everybody Cam is one of the pettiest people I know, right?
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Cam'ron
Yeah.
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Charlamagne
I said, between cam and 50, they are the two pettiest people I've ever seen in my life.
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Cam'ron
Trying to do better, though.
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Charlamagne
No, you're not. What happened to Omar Gooden? So you trying to do better after that?
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Cam'ron
See, niggas don't be knowing the backstory. So, like, right. Omar Gooden. Pardon me again. Omar Gooden. I was on my show talking about B list actors. Black, black actors. No disrespect to him, but we all know his brother Cuba's the biggest star. And basically I said, Omar Gooding Jr. And he went off. He went crazy. And because I hired him before for a movie, I did like 2011, 2012 percentage. I did a movie with Queen Latifah and Shaqim. Shout out to Queen Latifah and Shaqim. And we hired him. So in my segment of my show, I'm like, yo, it's fucked up for the B class black actor because you got to sit here and wait for somebody to call you for a part. Or if they do, who says you're going to get the part? Like, just sitting around and waiting. And I was actually talking to Rich Paul, and he's like, them should have came up with a network by now. All came together. You know what I'm saying? But I basically was telling y' all when telling him, saying what I'm telling y' all now, right? And I called him Omar Gooding Jr. And he just went crazy. He was like, how the am I junior when Cuba's the junior? You disrespecting. You don't call a man out his name. This down the third. So I'm like, I got him on this page. I said, you can look at the dates. I said, my bad, bro. I didn't mean to offend you. No, no problem. Nah, that. Then he started doing dis records.
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Charlamagne
And I was like, his rapping wasn't bad, though. His rap wasn't that bad.
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DJ Envy
All right?
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Cam'ron
I put it on. I said, just type high. I. I wrote that on his comments. I'm like, yo, I don't want no smoke, bro. This is all right. This is dope. So did another one. I'm like, I bet. So I know how much you cost, bro. You know what I'm saying? So I had a mutual friend. I was like, yo, when you. I haven't used them. Pause in a while. How much are you booking for? He's like, when I need a movie scene, I pay him 1200. Said, but I got three. I got 3000 for the. And that's how that went because he wouldn't stop doing records. And I already said I didn't want a problem.
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Charlamagne
So you said, I'm gonna come up with a fake movie.
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Cam'ron
Yeah.
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Charlamagne
Fake script. So you have to patty to do this.
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Cam'ron
Yeah. But what happened is he signed the paperwork, and so let's just say I. I paid every three. I gave him $3,000 because I know he wouldn't say no because he gets 1200. So I said, 3000. His flight was what, 7 800. And his hotel, let's just say I spent 5000. So once he signed the paperwork, I'm getting 10 times that for the episode. So I win. I spent 5, but I made 45 offer.
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Charlamagne
Gotcha.
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Cam'ron
Off of his stupidity for me telling you I don't want no problem with you, but you won't stop. So now I'm gonna give you 5 and make 45 and this content at the same time. So you was really in the other.
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Charlamagne
Room watching and directing?
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Cam'ron
I was in another room, but I had a ring camera up around the corner at one of my cribs watching the whole. The whole time.
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Podcast Host
And he was trying to say that he was going to take legal action. Is that possible? Or like. Because what documents did you have him sign? Or like whatever, Adam.
- [22:06]
Cam'ron
So basically, my man, who actually they shot my man Bibi, one of my production companies, partners of one of my production companies, we basically had him sign everything. And what he was trying to say he's going to take legal action about everything was cool. But the dressing room. But he didn't realize what he signed was once you walk in, we could use security footage, ring footage, everything that we wanted to use once you walked in the building, any camera we wanted to use. And what I did was he had. We gave him fifteen hundred dollars up front. And when he came, I made sure the other 1500 was in tens and fives. So it looked like he got a lot of money. So when he gave him. We gave him the night, he was. I knew he would just sign anything because, you know when it looks poor, when it looked like it's a lot.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
- [22:53]
Cam'ron
So we paid him like tens and fives. So it looked like he had 20,000 when it was just $1500.
- [22:59]
Charlemagne Tha God
I don't know why you waited so long to do the killer comedy show. And I don't know why you're not on stage.
- [23:08]
DJ Envy
Exactly.
- [23:08]
Cam'ron
Nah, I just don't be bothering people. And then I'll be like, yo, leave me alone. Because I know where I could go with it. And this is what happens, basically. But yeah, thanks. Thanks for even bringing that up. We got the killer comedy show. It's today. It's tonight at the Beacon Theater. At the Beacon Theater. Shout out my man Johnny Shipes in the building. He's the one that put everything together. D Ray's gonna be there. Jay Fowl's gonna be there. Tony Rock, Corey Holcomb. Yep. Sorry, I don't know if y' all still beefing. Will Mills and Ray Ray.
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DJ Envy
So Jay Farrell Too.
- [23:43]
Cam'ron
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. And Ferg performing, Fergus performing as well. Definitely y' all are all welcome to come. I don't know what you guys are doing, but y' all more than welcome to come. But we actually put that together because I did. I got a cameo in a movie. Happy Gilmore too.
- [24:00]
Charlemagne Tha God
Oh, yeah?
- [24:02]
Cam'ron
Yeah.
- [24:02]
DJ Envy
How did that come about?
- [24:04]
Cam'ron
So, yeah, Joe Vessi, he's a comedian and writes with Adam Sandler. He's a big fan. He's the one that kind of got us in the movie. Adam Sandler is my man too.
- [24:10]
DJ Envy
Yeah.
- [24:11]
Cam'ron
And he has a stand up and he wants me to put it out. I guess he's not going through the right channels. And I'm like, johnny, like I said, we're gonna put that out. But he was like, let's just do a whole comedy show. We got with Outback they sponsored. That's how I go. And so we gonna go on tour with it. That's that easy. But shout out to Joe Vessi for even giving me the idea to want to do it.
- [24:32]
Charlemagne Tha God
Oh, salute to Joe. That's my man.
- [24:34]
Cam'ron
Yeah.
- [24:34]
Charlemagne Tha God
What. What made you want to get into comedy now, though? Because you always been funny, right?
- [24:38]
Cam'ron
Always. I'm beyond it was Joe Vessi. Okay, I'm not even gonna say and hold you when he said he had us. So he has a stand up that's done, and he just wanted to put it into my lap and say, cam, do what you could do with it. And I'm like, he's not on this show. Because paperwork kind of took a while, but it was purely when he had a standup. And I'm like, I'm gonna find a home for it. But why not put a show together after that? That's kind. It's really totally Joe Vessi that gave me the idea to put a comedy.
- [25:04]
Charlemagne Tha God
Show together, you know? You know his dad, Peter Vess, one of the best sports commentators ever.
- [25:08]
Cam'ron
Hey, Joe Vessi's like a street basketball player and all that shit too, man. So shout out to him. That's how it came about.
- [25:14]
Charlemagne Tha God
Dope.
- [25:14]
Cam'ron
No more, no less, man.
- [25:16]
Charlamagne
I gotta ask, where did the friction with you and Dame come from? How did that happen?
- [25:21]
Cam'ron
I don't know. Dame like.
- [25:24]
Charlamagne
Cause he was a manager, a partner with you at one time, right?
- [25:26]
Cam'ron
Dame like. Dame did a lot for me, you know what I'm saying? Today's gonna be my last day. Dame dashing us too. Us too. Yeah. Cause it's annoying, you know what I'm saying? So to be honest with you, pardon me to Be honest with you. I feel like I got set up. It felt like Dame had all this, all these problems with me and never said it and was looking like a reason to say it. I was in a terrible deal of Epic Records. I grew up with Dame, and Rockefeller was up and he helped me get out that deal. And then I actually saw me to Rockefeller that helped me get my group on. Rockefeller put out a platinum album. The Diplomats was born. It was a great. It was great. And he did a lot for me. So I always attribute that. Not only I knew since I was like 10, 11 years old, you know what I'm saying? And when Rockefeller fell apart, he's still my man. He's on my man last year. You know what I'm saying? He's been my man this whole time. But to me, it's like a setup. Because no matter what, so publicly, I've been giving this man props for 25 years, and it hasn't been a smooth 25 years. But that's always been my friend. I've never ran to the Internet and talked about you, whether we was having good time, bad time, whatever. What I do do over the years is take breaks from you. When I say that, it's like, I didn't call in Dane for a minute. I'll call him next year. This, that, and the third. And when he started talking about me on different. On different podcasts, I'm like, bro, what is the is this about? But he was. Guess he was saying, cam is not a man. He ain't calling me this. Yo, bro, everybody's not built for your personality. I am. I just know how to take breaks from you from time to time because I know your personality now. I want to deal with it right now. But for him to go to the Internet, start talking about me, it was like, really? That's what the we doing? And when I seen that, I was like, this is crazy. He kept doing it, kept doing different interview. Yo, Cam, this Kim that came this. And I'm like. And then he talked about the last thing was he said, I didn't promote nothing. We were supposed to go partners on with Honor up the movie. And we did an album with a track. And he said, I didn't promote it. And I finally gave feedback on why I didn't promote it. I'm like, I didn't want to be in it. You know, I'm saying no disrespect, but this how it happened. From there, Avalanche, he just went crazy. Started going crazy. Kim this, Kim that, Kim this. So even point where it's like bro, now you stretching the truth, you lying about a few things. But that's where it all started from.
- [28:06]
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Cam'ron
All I know is what I've been told and that to have truth is a whole lie.
- [30:00]
Podcast Narrator
For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story I'm telling you.
- [30:17]
Cam'ron
We know Quincy killed her.
- [30:18]
Podcast Narrator
We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.
- [30:27]
Cam'ron
Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.
- [30:34]
Podcast Narrator
My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, producer and I Wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.
- [30:44]
Charlemagne Tha God
I did not know her, and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff.
- [30:49]
Cam'ron
That y' all said.
- [30:50]
DJ Envy
They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.
- [30:58]
Podcast Narrator
From Lava For Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame America.
- [31:09]
Cam'ron
Y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.
- [31:17]
Podcast Narrator
Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava For Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [31:38]
Cam'ron
For me, Disrupt. But to me, if you wanted this, my art or my movies or my music or whatever, cool, you start getting personal. And so I take a mad personal shit. I'm like, we know too much about each other to be doing personal, because this could get nasty. Because I know a lot about you, you know a lot about me. And I'm mad funny, like, I don't want to rag doll my man on the Internet. Especially, like, that's about talking about. But who the is you around to come out with a passion teeth, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would never let you do that. Cause you my man. I texted him. I'm like, yo, bro, whoever you around, they. You, they. You're not around. No real. Because they would not let you come on the camera like that. And that's kind of how it started when I dishonored. When it just got personal. And it was to the point where I'm like, yo, listen, man, this kind of. This could get nasty. And I spoke to Daniel. I know Daniel was up here with him. Daniel cool with me, too. And so he kind of mediated it. And he was like, yo, this shit is down. A good look for Harlem. Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. I was like, cool. I said, listen, it was a Thursday. He said, look, I said, listen, I got something coming out tomorrow. It's already done. If you tell him, listen, this is coming out tomorrow. But I won't say nothing else about him on the Internet. Cool. He says, cool. He said, cool. He's still talking about me on the Internet yesterday, right now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
- [33:10]
Charlemagne Tha God
Cam capone's on part 1517 right now.
- [33:13]
Cam'ron
Exactly. And it was like, bro, you. I thought we wasn't going to talk about each other.
- [33:18]
DJ Envy
Cool.
- [33:19]
Cam'ron
That ain't no problem. But to me, to be honest with you, I was tapped out when the issued a 300 million dollar lawsuit. And then he tells Daniel to tell me, yo tell Cam to give me a million dollars and we might let it all go away. I'm like, you trying to quietly start me like, what are you talking about? Send you a million off the 300 million? I said let's go to court.
- [33:42]
Charlemagne Tha God
A real lawsuit. It was Chad GPT. I know that sign from the dash group. We got one of those two.
- [33:46]
Cam'ron
Yeah, no, but it wasn't a lawsuit. We got the fact that a even that's supposed to be my man even do some like that. Like yo for a million they'll go away. I'm not sending you a million dollars.
- [33:57]
Charlamagne
Well, I'm glad he didn't take your show off revolt. Because he could.
- [34:01]
DJ Envy
He was your boss.
- [34:02]
Charlamagne
Yeah, he was your boss.
- [34:04]
Cam'ron
That's the point. Like the, the the be talking about to me just like to me it's semi disappointing because I looked up to him. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just a point where I don't wish them wealth, health and success. But I can't no more because like you said in the can component, all that you at a point where you said as long as your name say in the algorithm, even if it takes beefing with your man to be in the algorithm, that's where you at in life. And I'm like, I see. Why be curving? You got to think about this. Not just artists. If you sit there and think about the artists that he helped and put on, it's phenomenal. You sit there and think about Kevin Hart or Jay Z and Kanye or myself or whoever, and nobody with you. Is it the artist or is it you? You know what I'm saying? Not only that, your day one don't with you. Daniel. Not saying Daniel ain't his man, but like rel Mac, all the bigs. It's like from your hood don't with you. So I don't mean this in a bad way because I know you're gonna take this and this will be last another three, four months for him. You know, he'll take a spin at this kid and then I'll be seeing like to me, bro, you try to defame my character to where it's like, for what? My Kim's a civilian. All right, Dane, whatever. I'm a civilian. We tried to give you a million dollars last year when you was in the News for owing $800,000. We Mace Mason Dame don't even got a good relationship. They don't even with each other. But Mace felt bad, and he's like, kim, you want to spend 500,000? 500,000. Just so we. This don't got no debt. I'm like, I don't know. I'll do it. But I don't really know if we gonna make our money back. But for the. For the sake of Dame, yeah, I'll do it. And then when the didn't go through, we suckers. Because you want to wait on YoungBoy, NBA or Drake or whatever other deal you had, we try to give you a million dollars just to clear your debt up. And you. You basically gambled yourself out waiting on more money.
- [35:58]
DJ Envy
Remember he was saying that you called his son.
- [36:00]
Cam'ron
So basically, y' all probably be lost with all this that he be on. So he brought it up here. He brought it up a couple times when he's up here, he's like, cam is running around with this named Larry, and y' all probably don't even know. Yeah, exactly. So do you even remember him saying it? He kept bringing up like, Let me give you a backstory on Larry. Larry had a grow in Vegas, where he was meeting a bunch of rappers and everything, paying everybody to promote his grow in Vegas. Dame met Nori. Pardon me? Nori introduced Dane to Larry. Like, Nori knew Larry first, and he introduced Dane. Larry was paying Dane 5,000amonth to promote his weed. Dame ain't Snoop Dogg or Wiz Khalifa to be like. But he's still giving the the bread. Like, I hear supposed to give him 3% of coming. I don't really know about that part or whatever. But anyway, not only that. Larry's paying you to promote his weed. Larry lives in Vegas. Not only that. Your son lived with Larry as a grown man. So boogie. His son lived with Larry for two and a half years because he wasn't with Dane. You know what I'm saying? Or they didn't have a good relationship. I don't want to say he wasn't with him. They didn't have a great relationship. Right. He's sitting there, is like, can be with Larry now. Can't be with Larry now. Larry puts up $50,000 for a movie. Dame hurt up $50,000. Supposed to put $50,000 for a movie and another put up 50,000 for movie. Movie. Supposed to be 150. Dame tells Larry, when this lady calls, allocate the money to her. So she may want 12,000 now, 6,000 now, 7,000 now whatever. When it gets to the 50,000, he calls Dame and says, yo, I gave the lady the 50,000. Dame goes off of you dumbass. You a Vegas bama. So I call this a bunch of names, talking about, I didn't tell you to give. I didn't see, this thing is crazy. Yeah. I didn't tell you to give her 50, 000. He's like, I don't know this lady. How did I get a number? Yada yada, yada yada. Larry hangs up on him. He calls me, said cam, I've been dealing with Dan. I deal with his insults like this the last straw. Been paying this man this promote the weed. I gave him 50, 000 for a movie. Etc. I just can't. I'm tapped out. Dame calls me after we not with Larry. I said, why not? He said, he hung up on me. That's not what real men do. Real men don't hang up on like how many times me and you argue. You never hung the phone up on me the same time I said, damn, I know you. Everybody's not built for your verbal assassination or whatever the you want to call your verbal assault. Everybody can't take that. You know what I'm saying?
- [38:57]
Charlemagne Tha God
Verbal fair one.
- [38:58]
Cam'ron
Yeah, yeah, there you go. You did a good job. So yeah, he's going crazy on me. Me hanging out with because I feel Larry didn't do nothing wrong. That man looked like your son lived with him. He was paying you to do weed. He put up $50,000 for a movie. And because he hung up on you because you started insulting him about $50,000 where he allocated it to, where you want to be allocated it to. He's a Vegas bama. I can't jack that, bro. I'm not. He's a good. He's a. When we get to when we. I stay in Vegas now before we come in big time gambler, we have to pay for no hotels. Comps at every hotel. Take, I take my, my, my sprinters we didn't have to pay for when we went to Vegas. And because he hung up on them. Now he's not a real man, but he's trying to spin the narrative. Remember I was telling you three people doing the movie. The third person is suing Dane for the movie. Cam is hanging out with a. Who's suing me? I don't know this. Who's suing you? I know Larry's not suing you. He's just taking the l on the 50, 000. You know what I'm saying? He like, yo, I'll take the l. But Dane going around Kim running around with a. Who's suing me? I'm not running around with a suing you. Larry's not even suing you. But that's the narrative that he's pushing. So when he's talking about some me doing something with son, his son called. So Larry's a. A producer on talk with flea on my show. Boogie. Dame son called Larry asking for money recently. Asking for money. So, like, like, yo, you want to get boogie on the show? I'm like, I don't give a. He's like, we gonna give him 5,000. I said, all right, cool. You interviewing them. You were sinking. Interview him. I don't give a. I text Boogie for the producer for our writers. What do you want to talk about on the show? He says, his music and his movies. I have to text message. I said, cool. I give it to the writers. Two days later, Cam trying to do with my son. That nigga's foul. D d d d d d d How you going to reach out to my son? Your son reached out to Larry and said he was up. Larry asked the do he want to come on the show. He said, yeah, he took the deposit. He sent the deposit back. But now you spending it again to where you with my family. Yo, my. Nobody called your son. Your son called Larry. Larry asked him if he wanted to come on the show, and that's the gpl.
- [41:22]
Charlamagne
Gotcha.
- [41:22]
Cam'ron
So it's just basically what's up. I think Larry's a super cool.
- [41:26]
Charlemagne Tha God
What up, Larry?
- [41:28]
Cam'ron
Yeah. So now y' all know the back. Daddy name is Larry, right? And the thing is, for me, the last thing I will say about this situation with. With Larry anyways, concerned Larry's wife. My mom died of cancer two and a half years ago. I watched her do. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. I watched her die for a month. She was good. January 8th, went to the hospital. January 9th. Says, yo, your mom got about a month and a half to live.
- [41:53]
Charlamagne
Jesus.
- [41:54]
Cam'ron
So she died. He's on this show talking about, yo, Larry need to just be worrying about his wife. Larry, wife died four days after Dame was on the show because, oh, man, I was watching his wife die with the. I like, she was a hospital. She was a hospice center. And she went. She didn't want to die in the hospital. She went home. And so with hospice so she could die home. So Dame is on the show. Like, yeah, this light don't need to worry. He just need to worry about his wife. This is a nice guy. This thing ain't into all the I'm into. I'm with all this dumb. This is a cool. You know what I'm saying? You up there telling this man wife we why I'm literally watching her die every day. So I'm like, yo, bro, you really don't got no boundaries. You this mad at Larry for what? That watched just son for two years and made sure that got a roof over his head? And now you mad cause he's not in a lawsuit? He paid you $5,000 a month and then you put his business out there. Who the said that the want his business out there about his dying wife?
- [42:55]
Charlemagne Tha God
Yeah, that's why OG Dan told him chill out.
- [42:57]
Cam'ron
Yeah, because you know why Daniel wife died from cancer. He watched his wife die on a deathbed from cancer. So he kind of get it. But the end of the day is you talking about, yo, you. You need to go watch your wife. And you don't understand what that scenario is about. And that's why I'm like, I wish you the best. My, but you don't really care, cuz. She died four or five days after the interview.
- [43:19]
Charlemagne Tha God
Condolences. That's horrible.
- [43:20]
Cam'ron
Yeah, that's just a backstory.
- [43:23]
Charlemagne Tha God
There's only two questions I had about the dance situation. I wasn't even gonna bring it up.
- [43:27]
Cam'ron
I don't give a But cuz like I said, it's done for me that you could fight by yourself. I'm not fighting with you when you.
- [43:33]
Charlemagne Tha God
Talk about him bringing up family. I didn't understand why he brought up you having a stripper pole in a house your mother was in. But he was in there partying, having a good time. Did he tell you that he had a problem with that back then?
- [43:44]
Cam'ron
No. First of all, it was a two family home. My mother wasn't on the side with the stripper. Just to give some context of what's going on, I bought my mom a house. When I first got on, she never wanted to move in the house. She's Harlem. You get what I'm saying? So that wasn't my primary house. I had a few houses still do. And she had a stroke and she was like, she's not moving to Jersey no matter what. I'm like, mom, you can't run around Harlem like this. So.
- [44:14]
Charlamagne
But that's a New York thing.
- [44:15]
Cam'ron
Most. Most.
- [44:16]
Charlamagne
My parents never live in Queens. Never.
- [44:18]
Cam'ron
Right. So. Right. So example is basically when she never moved into the House. It's a two family home. I built my studio in there. I had a strip club in there, all that. So I'm like, mom, the house is still there. I'm gonna put you on the other side. House. It's a separate address. It's not even the same address. So my mom is hood and she, she didn't give a. You know what I'm saying? But you're acting like I had her in the bedroom next to stripper code. It's a. Another house around the corner. But no, he didn't have a problem with it. He loved it. But that's what I'm trying to tell you. He's trying to defame my character. For what reason? I have no. I have no reason why.
- [44:55]
Podcast Host
I saw people reacting to that in the comments, like talking about just how low that was, regardless of what he was trying to do. Because I think everybody knows how you were about your mom and what you went through, right?
- [45:02]
Cam'ron
Absolutely. Well, you know what it is, is that. And people might not have seen that part because I ain't posted. And he still shouldn't have said it. But he felt the way. Because when he said that about Larry wife, I was, I was on his comments talking about he ain't one of his kids that he found out like he had not boogie found out he had another kid and he took like eight paternity tests trying not to find one to make an idea.
- [45:31]
Charlemagne Tha God
So he got you all them on playfish. God damn.
- [45:39]
Cam'ron
Yeah, but. And he was mad about it. So I was putting all that in the comments and that's when he did this. So I like I said it was low. I was low, but I was low what he did. But I. I get why he did it. You know what I'm saying? Because I was start spilling a lot of business. That's why I said could get messy about his girl. I was in the comments we see. I was all in there like, bro, I know too much. I don't really want to do it. It's more now I just won't say. You know what I'm saying?
- [46:07]
Charlamagne
So another thing we said viral was the Big L thing.
- [46:10]
Cam'ron
Yeah. Like bro, Big L didn't even like you. My biggest from my block. Right. And big old brothers brother. He had a couple brothers. But his brother Big Lee kind of ran my block. Him and somebody else, a couple other people. And they hated Dame. They hated them to the point where when Big Lee came home, that's big old brother. They ran down. He ran down on Damon Minnesota like, you owe me a favor and name. I took him. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna do the favor for him. I'm like, yo, this is Polite Distortion. I wouldn't do the favor. He ended up dying. Big L's brother, Big Lee, but he did not fuck with you. And to the point where you're even lying that me, you, and Big L was in a car somewhere. It's just. It's stupid. Like, you know what I'm saying?
- [46:54]
Charlemagne Tha God
Okay, why does he lie so much? I don't.
- [46:55]
Cam'ron
I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. And you know what I'm saying? It's to the point where it's like, bro, when that nigga said, whatever I need to do to stay in the algorithm, you just knew it was over from there. Yeah, like, my man sent me a clip to where it's like, yo, you know, not saying me and Jim don't have the best relationship now, and I wish him the best as well. But it's to the point where he's like, yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Jim wore Pink first. Yo, you said that three days ago or two days ago. I'm like, what does that have to do with everything you got going on, bro? This is what I'm trying to say. He's trying to throw me under the bus as much as he can to the point where you'll say and do anything. What I'm taking from it, and I'm just not with it no more.
- [47:40]
Charlemagne Tha God
Another thing I didn't understand when he said you went on the radio to announce you was VP of Rockefeller. He said you did that on purpose. He thinks you did that on purpose because you knew it would cause problems at the label. Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought. I remember you being on the air and you was on the phone. I thought you was on the phone with Dame and you said, Dame gave us the green light. That's what I remember.
- [47:59]
Cam'ron
I don't remember exactly how it happened. I ain't gonna say and lie to you, but you ain't have a problem with it all these years, now all of a sudden you got a problem with it? Like my. I understand May of course friction later, but why the would I want to damage some that's going good, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's probably the height of my music career at that particular time. Why the would I want to damage that? Like I'm saying all the. That he's saying. Now it sound like he has building up and now he's throwing lies mixed in with it. But.
- [48:29]
Charlemagne Tha God
But you didn't make that up though. Somebody told you that you was gonna be.
- [48:32]
Cam'ron
No, he actually told me that. What he's trying to say is that I jumped the gun and said it publicly when I shouldn't have said it publicly. That's what he's trying to say. But there's no way in the world you didn't tell me that. And what happened was I went to my lawyer to try and negotiate the deal and I think. I don't remember. I think I wanted 750, 000. They was like, no, we was just gonna make you the president. I'm like, nah, fuck it. And then when Jay Z must have came back from vacation according to Bleak, because I shot the Bleak. I did Bleak show rock solid. Yeah. And he was just basically like, jay ain't like that. So that's kind of how that went. But no, it's no way I was making that up. That's exactly what you told me. You told me you wanted to make me and Beans vice president, president. Whichever way it went, I tried to negotiate the deal. The money wasn't right and obviously Jay Z didn't approve it.
- [49:20]
Charlemagne Tha God
But how can he call you out on that and then come up here and say he the chairman of Revolt? And nobody even told him.
- [49:26]
Cam'ron
Crazy.
- [49:28]
Charlamagne
I'm just so glad he didn't take Cam show off.
- [49:30]
Podcast Host
That's how I had to be crazy after that because they probably trying to figure out what's going on.
- [49:35]
Cam'ron
So. So this is what happened actually when all this was going on and this Dead series too, before it happened, Revolt hit me and was like, do you mind if we work with Dame? And I'm like. Because all the was going on. And I'm like, I don't really care. Like, they're like, it wouldn't be till 2026 because, you know, programming wise, the slots and feel. So I have two shows that I could put out starting this month that I want to put out. When that. When Daniel called me, I said, yo, no, not Daniel. I put it on. On Instagram. I told Daniel about it, but I'll put it on Instagram. I had two slots left. I said, revolt might want to work with you, but it ain't going to be till next year. But if you want the opportunity you gave me, I'll give to you. When I got on need to get off Epic Records, you gave me a chance to do music and you executive producer albums. I said, let me give you the same opportunity and let me executive produce your TV shows. You ain't got to wait till next year. And you was going to give Revolt all your content for free. That's how bad he wanted it at pause and I say, yo, I'll even pay you shout out to Big Fendi. That was the middleman for that. So I said, tell Dame this before I put it on Instagram. And Fendi was like, yo, the beginning of the conversation was cool. He was like, I bet. He said. But before I hang up, he's like, nah, that ain't do producing my shows. He can't do that. No, no, no, he can't do that. It's ego. You was ready to do it for free and because you want me to, I can't because I want to executive produce the shows that I don't get it. He's gonna do it for free. Now. You could do it and I can executive producer and give you a check. It's just. It was ego. So then that's when he went on to announce he was the chairman. And I never seen a force his way to try and be somewhere where don't want him in my life. The was wild.
- [51:37]
DJ Envy
Yo. Made it full, right? What. What stage of production or development is it in right now?
- [51:42]
Cam'ron
The series right now. 50's feeling still trying to finish up some stuff in Shreveport, because I believe he wants to do a lot of stuff in Shreveport, but it's probably not going to even be to the point to where we do casting. Maybe not till April or May or something like that. I think he wanted to just make the announcement, get the buzz going, because he's shooting like three TV shows, 1800 movies that. That works. And. And he does shows in between. But if I had to guess a timeline, I would say probably April or May for casting, but I think it's some loose ends. You want to get tighter in Shreveport. Okay.
- [52:19]
Podcast Host
Why did you do my one?
- [52:20]
Cam'ron
Hold up.
- [52:20]
DJ Envy
Because I want to audition. Don't do me like Omar, like.
- [52:26]
Cam'ron
You gotta be careful. I know time, yo, for real. I mean, when it's time, I'll definitely let you know. But yeah, that's why I was telling the 5th when we were speaking. I said, yo, you put this announcement. I know he said he's gonna do it, but you gotta give me some more information, cuz now everybody's hitting me, all right? And no, like I said, not in a good way, not in a bad way, but it's just like, I want. When you Ask these questions. I want to have the correct answers. And I was teasing. I said, yo, you see, I announced out the Vice President Rockefeller and went left. I don't want to be saying the wrong too early and. But definitely, I'll let you know. But I don't want to give saying and even announce on this show a date. I'm just guessing right now.
- [53:09]
Podcast Host
Yeah.
- [53:09]
Cam'ron
If I had to guess, probably April or May last because we talked two weeks about it.
- [53:14]
Podcast Host
So does 50 have the rights to tell the story? Like, is that like, what's that conversation?
- [53:18]
Cam'ron
Because so basically he has the rights to Paid in Full, I guess it was up and he bought the actual rights to it. But he's going to slow the movie down to where you get Alpo when he goes to D.C. you know what I'm saying? You get more of the preacher, the one who actually kidnaps Rich's nephew. You get his story, you know what I'm saying? You get DiMensio. I don't know if y' all even know about dimension, you know what I'm saying? That's one of the people Alpo killed over a girl. You get all these different stories that kind of was sped up in the movie when you slow it down throughout the series.
- [53:59]
Charlemagne Tha God
When you think about legacy, Cam, your legacy. In particular, when you think about legacy versus peace of mind, which one do you value more at this stage of your life?
- [54:06]
Cam'ron
Peace of mind. Peace of mind is everything. Me, like, you know what I'm saying? Like for me to still be doing what I'm doing at this age and even Envy knows, like he been. He's been doing what he's doing a long time for us to still be relevant, having fun and still coming up to like to do like this. You know how many people want to come up here and do this? You know what I'm saying? But for me, it's more like I get the. I love sports. I get to talk about sports all day, watch sports all day and talk about it for an hour. And me and Mace made tens. I don't want to just know we made tens of millions of dollars in the last two years. And then to jump off, pillow off that and then do talk with Flea and make a few million dollars. Like, you know, that's where I'm at. Like where I could do build multi million dollar companies or brands and don't. And be me. I don't want to have to do some. I don't want to do at this point in life. So when you think of Pink Horsepower you think of multi million dollar company or talk Talk with flea. Multi million dollar brand or it is what it is, a multi million dollar company. I just love doing this. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm naming these shits like a hundred other things didn't work. You know what I'm saying? Like, people don't see the. That don't work. So 100 things that don't work. But just to figure it out at this age, like it's gonna be 50 next year. I'll be just.
- [55:33]
Charlamagne
But you figured it out early. Like you. You figured out peace of mind early.
- [55:37]
Cam'ron
Oh, yeah, Peace of mind, absolutely. I get away from. I don't have time.
- [55:41]
Charlamagne
Because when people wanted you, it was like, where's Cam? I don't know.
- [55:43]
Cam'ron
He bought a crib in Florida.
- [55:44]
Charlamagne
He's killing. He not doing nothing.
- [55:46]
Cam'ron
Yeah, cuz, you got to think about this right when you see. And I'm asking y', all, this is a question. I'm asking y. When you see somebody. And like I said, I don't want to bring it up, but I hate keep repeating it. Like I said, it's the last day. Do you. When you see the person like, dame, do you look happy to you?
- [56:02]
Charlamagne
No, no, no.
- [56:04]
Cam'ron
That's what I'm saying. Like, happiness matters to me. Happiness and being able to pay my bills and all this other. You see when. Sometime when you bring my name up to certain, you just get mad and they emotional and they be like. I'd be like, yo, this nigga's angry. This nigga's really mad. I need. I want to be happy. I want to be laughing. Like, when you see me and Mace on the show, we be dead ass laughing to where we edit some of that out because we laughing that much. Like, that is cool to make money, laugh and go home, have a peace of mind. That means more to me than anything else in the world. Especially at this stage in life. What the are we beefing and arguing about? Especially if you're making a couple dollars and then you don't want to be beefing with the. You grew up with it. Cool. And not at this age in life, you don't have to be around. But the end of the day, what the. How long you think it's supposed to be arguing with each other, you know what I'm saying? Or just in general arguing with anybody.
- [56:57]
Charlemagne Tha God
I think a lot of people in hip hop struggle to transition into new chapters of life.
- [57:01]
Cam'ron
So when they.
- [57:02]
Charlemagne Tha God
I'm like, I see somebody like Cam, I'm like, I want to ask you, how did you find peace and purpose outside of hip hop? Is it the other business ventures or.
- [57:10]
Cam'ron
Yeah, because listen, man, I talk about that and think about that all the time. I'm like, yo, and no disrespect to nobody out there. I'm just like, yo, I would hate to have to be in a club for 3, 200 tonight. 50, 49 years old, my yo, that would kill me. Like, yo. But some people, you got to realize, think about this, right? Let's just use a better number. Let's use 5000. 7. 500. I like, yo, I don't want to be in there nobody's club. Then I don't want to be in for Sunday. 500. But if you do that every week and you're this age and just do it three times, you sitting there saying, yo, make 20,000amonth. That ain't bad. You know what I'm saying? That's not bad. Like, yo, it. I made 20,000amonth, and I'm 49 years old, and this is great because you have a regular job and some people don't make that. I don't think that's a bad living at all. I'm just saying that isn't where I want to be, you know what I'm saying?
- [58:12]
Charlemagne Tha God
So definitely peace of mind also, too, with Harlem, man. Yo, Harlem. People talk about Harlem like it's Harvard. What does Harlem mean to you today compared to when you were, like, 18?
- [58:27]
Cam'ron
It ain't the same for me. You know what I'm saying? Not at all. That's a great question. Because it's so gentrified. It's just not the same. And I may sound ignorant for saying it, but I miss the abandoned buildings. I miss the vacant lots and going up, driving, walking to school and almost stepping on glass. Not saying, that's good and you shouldn't improve from that. But that's just my memory of Harlem. When I see red lobster on 125th street, like an H and M, I'll be like, this is crazy. You know what I'm saying? But it's gentrified. And you know, to me, everything. But you gotta think about this too, right? Where I live is gentrified. Niggas like, what this doing over here? You know what I'm saying? So you might got somebody white. Like, yo, what the fuck? Remember when it was all white over here? You know what I'm saying? So it's a balance. But just for me, Harlem isn't what it used to be. I'm not saying Harlem still ain't Harlem today, but just not the Harlem I grew up with. My man, I shoot. I sometimes shoot videos in this building and like that. And he's like, cam, you gotta talk to the building manager. I'm like, all right, who was it? And the dude's white. It's like, yo, I thought you was the man. He's like, no, I sold my apartment to the. And now he's the manager. So now I got to talk to somebody white and go into a building that I've been going to my whole life to get permission to shoot something on a roof. So for me, it's not the same, but I understand it.
- [59:59]
Podcast Host
When you talk about Harlem, I know you mentioned earlier you and Jim's relationship not being the same. That's not like we're never going to get to see that Sit Down Combo reunion, like, anything at all.
- [60:09]
Cam'ron
I don't know. I mean, like I said, I just think that we're in two different spaces in life. And that'll mean I don't wish them well. And I don't mean jewels and everybody. That was part of what we did. I think it was a great movement, but sometimes things just come to an end. So I'm not. I would never say never, but it doesn't look like it's in the near future, but I do wish them brothers well.
- [60:30]
Charlemagne Tha God
What do you hope people say about Cam 20 years from now? In particular, what it is, what do you hope people say you stood for?
- [60:37]
Cam'ron
Well, whatever. If you sit there and watch everything I did since I've been 20, 21 years old, it's about helping people, of course, helping myself as well. But I always tried to make sure everybody, despite what anybody says, tried to make sure people around me had money who was getting money. Because I never wanted nobody to have to ask me for money, you know, it was one of those situations where I'm like, even. Even with Jim, you think about Jim. Jim wasn't a rapper. It's like, yo, we gonna make you a rapper. My. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, you ain't gonna be around and not know how to rap. You know what I'm saying? I think Jim is one of the people that's grown more than anybody from the time he started to where he's at today as far as music is concerned. He didn't know how to rap. We taught him how to rap. He's my hype man. To where he's directing videos. So he had a job at Def Jam, the Way he's doing albums. And I think right now people are respecting him lyrically more than anything else. But it was about always helping people. Even Jewels. Juels was in a bad deal. He's in a group called the draft Picks. I'm like, I think I like you a little better than your partner. I could get you out the deal. Let's try and get you out the deal. Everybody I'm with has made money, whether they kept money or didn't keep money. Even other people that was on the label, which I won't name, it was always about putting everybody on and trying to make sure that they had a couple dollars. Because I didn't want people to have to ask me for money that was around me. So even like this nigga back here, Pink Horsepower. I'm glad he found his lane. Cause he was running out of time.
- [62:12]
Charlemagne Tha God
The killer comedy show, man, tonight.
- [62:15]
Cam'ron
Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.
- [62:17]
Charlamagne
No, thank you for coming. Get your tickets if you haven't got it. And where can they. Where can they order this at if they need ordering.
- [62:24]
Cam'ron
Before you get it? Make sure you go to pink hyphen. Horsepower.net is going to lead you to the new website. Because it's a new website. I don't know it off the top, but it directs you to the website. So pink hyphen horsepower.net and make sure you go order some.
- [62:40]
Charlamagne
That's right.
- [62:40]
Cam'ron
Hold up.
- [62:40]
DJ Envy
You said it's for men or it's for men?
- [62:42]
Cam'ron
For men.
- [62:43]
DJ Envy
I can take it too.
- [62:45]
Cam'ron
No. So listen, the reason I was telling you, if you take it home, not for you to take.
- [62:51]
DJ Envy
Right.
- [62:52]
Cam'ron
Take it home to give it somebody to your. That's what I'm basically saying. But for the last thing. For the last thing I'll say in this. Not 100 closed complex con. If anybody's going to be out there in Vegas. Coming up, me and sexy Red are doing a drop of horsepower. And whatever she got, I don't want to say the wrong name, but we're gonna package it together. We're gonna do a special drop for her sex pill for women, so. Oh, wow. So we'll try and send you some because she has something for women. I got something for men. And then you could take Sexy Reds joint.
- [63:23]
DJ Envy
Makes sense.
- [63:24]
Cam'ron
Yeah.
- [63:24]
DJ Envy
All right, cool.
- [63:25]
Charlamagne
Well, there you have it. It's Cameron.
- [63:26]
Cam'ron
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
- [63:30]
Charlemagne Tha God
Every day I wake up.
- [63:31]
Cam'ron
Wake your ass up.
- [63:32]
Charlemagne Tha God
The Breakfast Club.
- [63:40]
Podcast Narrator
The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
- [63:53]
Cam'ron
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.
- [64:05]
Podcast Narrator
Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [64:19]
Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)
I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt, a young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [64:54]
Podcast Host
This is an iHeart podcast.