INTERVIEW: Christopher 'Kid' Reid & Full Force Talk 'House Party' Legacy, Brooklyn Unity Fest + More

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Interview with Christopher 'Kid' Reid & Full Force

Release Date: August 1, 2025

Introduction

In this special episode of The Breakfast Club, hosts DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, and Charlamagne Tha God sit down with Christopher 'Kid' Reid and the legendary production group Full Force. Celebrating the enduring legacy of the iconic film House Party, the discussion delves deep into the movie's 35th anniversary, Full Force's role in shaping hip-hop and R&B, and upcoming events like the Brooklyn Unity Fest.

House Party Legacy and National Recognition

The conversation kicks off with Celebrating the 35th anniversary of House Party and its induction into the National Hip Hop Museum. Charlamagne Tha God expresses disbelief at how the cast members have aged differently since the film's release.

Charlamagne Tha God [01:47]: "Be honest with you, man. Y' all look younger now than y' all did in House Party. I can't believe they tried to make us believe that y' all was high school."

Kid acknowledges the nostalgic elements of the movie while reflecting on its over-the-top nature.

Kid [02:17]: "But you know what? In a weird way, it kind of worked. I mean, the whole movie was kind of over the top... People weren't really complaining or noticing it as much."

Behind the Scenes: Casting and Creative Process

The hosts delve into how House Party came together, highlighting the collaborative efforts between Kid and Play, Full Force, and director Reggie Hudlin. Kid shares insights into the script development and the pivotal moment when Full Force was integrated into the film.

Kid [05:27]: "Reggie Hudlin, the director, one of the producers, used to... it was his idea. He used his Harvard thesis and turned it into a full-length feature script."

Bow Legged Lou recounts how Full Force was initially written into the script and how they developed their characters organically on set.

Bow Legged Lou [08:50]: "The original script had Full Force described, but we weren't even cast at first. Then Robert Ford suggested getting Full Force, and that's how we came together."

Contributions of Full Force to Music and Film

The discussion shifts to Full Force's significant contributions to music and their seamless transition into acting roles in House Party. They emphasize the synergy between music production and on-screen performance.

Kid [06:13]: "Reggie Hudlin benefited from our individual talents. Tisha and AJ could create dance routines, Full Force provided the beats, and Kid and Play delivered the rap battles."

Paul Anthony highlights Full Force's versatility and their ability to blend seamlessly into the ensemble cast, enhancing the film's dynamic.

Royalties and Financial Insights

The conversation touches upon the financial aspects of their contributions, specifically royalties from House Party. There’s a candid discussion about how the earnings were split and the ongoing nature of these royalties.

Anthony B. Fine [02:42]: "Except with house party royalties. Except house party royalties."

However, Bow Legged Lou clarifies the actual split among the Full Force members.

Bow Legged Lou [01:22]: "We don't split it six ways. It's just the three of us."

Issues with the Biopic 'Lisa'

A significant portion of the episode addresses the controversial omission of Full Force in the Lisa Lisa biopic, leading to fan backlash. The group expresses disappointment over their exclusion despite their pivotal role in Lisa Lisa's career.

Bow Legged Lou [24:26]: "We weren't in it because they wanted to avoid confusion between Cult Jam and Full Force."

Paul Anthony elaborates on the cultural significance of their collaboration with Lisa Lisa and the missed opportunity to showcase their contributions.

Paul Anthony [34:13]: "Without Full Force, there wouldn't be Lisa Lisa. We had the sound; we just needed the right artist."

Music Legacy and Royalties

Full Force discusses their extensive work in music production, highlighting hits like "Roxanne" for UTFO and their ongoing royalties. They emphasize their role in shaping the sound of the late '80s and early '90s hip-hop and R&B.

Paul Anthony [40:53]: "They're still coming in, but there's always more to get. Like basketball, we cover basketball."

Impact of Streaming on Legacy

The group reflects on how streaming platforms have renewed interest in House Party and their music, though they express mixed feelings about the medium's influence.

Anthony B. Fine [33:36]: "It's a beautiful thing that it transcends everything."

However, Bow Legged Lou voices concerns over incomplete royalties and the ongoing struggles with streaming revenue.

Bow Legged Lou [40:58]: "Sometimes they don't know. There's always more to get."

Current Projects and Brooklyn Unity Fest

Promoting their upcoming performance at the Brooklyn Unity Fest, the guests outline the event's significance and their anticipated performances alongside other local artists.

Bow Legged Lou [32:22]: "Brooklyn Unity Fest is happening this Saturday, celebrating 35 years of House Party with performances from Kid and Play, Full Force, Faith Evans, and more."

They also discuss new projects, including reunions, documentaries, and upcoming book releases that aim to further document their legacy and personal journeys.

Personal Anecdotes and Relationships

The episode is rich with personal stories, including anecdotes about near-public fights, their bond as brothers, and their lasting friendships within the industry.

Kid [43:24]: "Yo, one time me and Play almost had a fist fight in public... but we're still blood brothers."

They share fond memories of appearing on shows like Wild 'N Out and Celebrity Family Feud, highlighting the fun and camaraderie they share off-screen.

Conclusion

Wrapping up the conversation, Kid commends The Breakfast Club for their unwavering support and acknowledges the deep chemistry that has sustained their collaboration over the years.

Kid [50:00]: "The chemistry, I mean, y' all incredible. Fit in seamlessly."

Full Force reiterates their gratitude towards their families, collaborators, and fans, emphasizing the importance of unity and continued support as they navigate their enduring legacy.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Charlamagne Tha God [01:47]: "Be honest with you, man. Y' all look younger now than y' all did in House Party."

• Kid [05:27]: "Reggie Hudlin... used his Harvard thesis and turned it into a full-length feature script."

• Bow Legged Lou [08:50]: "The original script had Full Force described, but we weren't even cast at first."

• Anthony B. Fine [02:42]: "Except with house party royalties. Except house party royalties."

• Paul Anthony [34:13]: "Without Full Force, there wouldn't be Lisa Lisa. We had the sound; we just needed the right artist."

• Bow Legged Lou [40:58]: "Sometimes they don't know. There's always more to get."

• Kid [43:24]: "Yo, one time me and Play almost had a fist fight in public... but we're still blood brothers."

• Kid [50:00]: "The chemistry, I mean, y' all incredible. Fit in seamlessly."

Key Takeaways

• House Party remains a seminal work in hip-hop culture, celebrated 35 years later for its influence and enduring appeal.

• Full Force's role in music production and their seamless transition into acting significantly contributed to the film's success.

• Issues surrounding the omission of Full Force in subsequent biopics highlight ongoing challenges in accurately representing collaborative contributions in the entertainment industry.

• Streaming has revitalized interest in classic works like House Party, though it brings its own set of financial and artistic challenges.

• The upcoming Brooklyn Unity Fest serves as a testament to the lasting impact of House Party and the ongoing contributions of Kid and Full Force to the music and entertainment landscape.

This episode offers a nostalgic yet insightful look into the making of House Party, the pivotal role of Full Force, and the enduring bonds that keep the legacy alive in the hearts of fans and the music industry alike.

Transcript

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[Kid]

Every day I wake up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club.

[Kid]

Y' all finished or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests in the building, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Legends, man.

[DJ Envy]

We have the legendary Kid from Kid and Play. And we have Full Force. Welcome, fellas.

[Bow Legged Lou]

What's up? What's up? What's what's up?

[DJ Envy]

Some og, Some legends in the game. How y' all feeling?

[Bow Legged Lou]

Good.

[Kid]

Chilling. Light skin. What up?

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all celebrating so much, man. 35th anniversary. A house party. And y' all are being inducted into the National Hip Hop Museum. Kid and Play.

[Kid]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Paul Anthony]

Wow.

[Kid]

Congratulations.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And Full Force. Y' all still getting money?

[Anthony B. Fine]

Yeah, yeah, we doing our thing.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Splitting it six ways is cuz full. The three of us are the Full Force Brothers. Bow Legged Lou Paul, Anthony B. Fine. Then we have our three cousins, Baby Jerry, Shy Shy and Kurt. Six Way Collective. Full Force.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Except with house party royalties. Except house party royalties.

[Kid]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, y' all don't get none of those.

[Paul Anthony]

No, the three of us.

[Bow Legged Lou]

This is just the three of us. And we don't split it Six. Gotcha.

[Kid]

Right.

[Bow Legged Lou]

But ain't my type of hype. The song in the house party.

[Anthony B. Fine]

That's six.

[Bow Legged Lou]

That's six.

[Kid]

Gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Be honest with you, man. Y' all look younger now than y' all did a house party. I can't believe they tried to make us believe that y' all was high school.

[Kid]

Jesus Christ.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't understand that.

[Anthony B. Fine]

The cafeteria.

[Kid]

But you know what? In a weird way, it kind of worked. I mean, the whole movie was kind of over the top.

[Just Hilarious]

Yeah.

[Kid]

You know, all that. All that colors. So. Yeah, I mean, I hear more about that now than we did then. Yeah, people weren't really complaining about or, you know, noticing it as much. You know what I mean?

[Carlos Miller]

As you guys are celebrating this anniversary. What are Some of the things that you instantly think back to because, like, being on set probably was just like an experience. Experiences. So.

[DJ Envy]

But before you answer that, how's play doing? Where's play at?

[Kid]

Play had some. How would we classify it?

[Anthony B. Fine]

You were that.

[Kid]

Yeah, yeah. He had some accommodation difficulties this morning. So shout out to play. He's here with his hotel. He's here in spirit. Yeah, his hotel was.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Okay, well, don't give the name of the hotel, but I think you told me that there was some mice in the hotel.

[Kid]

Mice?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just saw the tail.

[DJ Envy]

I seen play a couple months ago in the airport.

[Kid]

All right.

[Carlos Miller]

Did he really have hotel accommodation issues or. That was a joke.

[Just Hilarious]

Oh, y' all playing.

[Bow Legged Lou]

I was joking with the mouse thing.

[Kid]

I don't know. That part is. That part. That part is real. So, you know, but I. You know. I know, you know, we all go back a little ways here, so. But he's. He's definitely here in spirit. But to your question, I guess with each anniversary, each milestone. Cause you get to, like, it was 10, then 20, then 25. We're actually at 35. It's kind of. It's kind of a bug out. And now you're at the point where. Okay, well, who's still here? You know what I mean? We didn't lost some. Some of the soldiers and whatnot. But I think. But to your point, a lot of it. And we were talking about this. The other guy or the other day is. It's. It's stuff like that happened on set. I mean, for a lot of us, it was our first film. We wasn't making a lot of money. We didn't have a lot of money then or whatever, but it was kind of the joy and the camaraderie of. Of doing it, and it stood to this day, which is a bug out.

[DJ Envy]

How did that. How did it come together?

[Anthony B. Fine]

How did.

[Kid]

How did.

[DJ Envy]

The whole house party didn't come together. Y' all were young, y' all were fresh, y' all were just kicking off. How did they decide we gonna do a movie based on y'?

[Kid]

All?

[DJ Envy]

And how much did y' all get paid back then? I'm just curious.

[Kid]

Well, well, DJ and V, you know how hot Kid and Play was in the city at that time. Okay, we was, but. No, we were. We were. We were. Play and I were hot. And not just the music, but the videos are really starting to bust. And our look and sound and vibe. So Reggie Hudlin, the director, one of the producers, he used to. It was his idea. It was his Harvard thesis that he turned into a full length feature script. And he would occasionally step to us in the clubs because he wanted us to do our music. He wanted to do our music videos. But we were cool on that. We had somebody for that at the time. Then he started pushing the script. I read the script. We read the script, and it was the first thing that we had gotten that had been submitted to us. That was really. It was close. It was 100%, but I felt like it was like 70, 75. And I was like, I thought we could get it the rest of the way. And that's the cliffnose version. And I think there's a famous story going on at that time where it could have been us or it could have been Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff.

[Carlos Miller]

I saw that.

[Kid]

Yeah, there's something to that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I feel like y' all predated them just a little bit, though.

[Kid]

Right around about the same time, though, Charlamagne, if you think about it, you talking about 87, 88. Matter of fact, Willingham blew up nationally, I think a little bit ahead of us, to be honest. Remember, they had the party lines and all that kind of stuff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Rush rap group to win a Grammy.

[Kid]

Yeah. But, yeah, definitely. And so we're definitely that same era. And guess what? To this day, I'm sure they would have did a great job. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can't see House Party without you.

[Just Hilarious]

Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, I mean, that's kind of crazy to say that in hindsight, I guess.

[Kid]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just can't see it.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Yeah, the chemistry was crazy. We talked about that. We did a. An online tribute to see AJ from Africa and Tisha and everybody and girl, we talked about was the seasoning of the little things that. That makes it really whole and the chemistry that we all had.

[Paul Anthony]

Everybody spoke of, you know, their parts. Right. And all of us didn't know everybody's journey. Like, we started asking Tisha, so, Tisha, how did you and AG hook up? And they was like, the school days. Then Zach and well, what made y' all do that dance scene? And Tisha said, I didn't do that, B. AJ choreographed the whole thing. And then it was just so much things that we were just like, finding out, you know?

[Anthony B. Fine]

So to your point, that's the chemistry.

[Kid]

Yeah, yeah. And also too, Reggie Hudlin, he had the benefit of leaning on all our individual talents, you know what I mean? You know that Tisha and AJ could just come up with a, you know, with a dance battle routine like that to go up against, you know, the dances that Play and I was doing, you know, that doesn't necessarily come in the package. You know, you need a battle rap. Well, you know, Kid and Play can provide that. You need a big song like Ain't My Type of Hype for the dance battle. Full Force can provide that. So, you know, I think, you know, he definitely benefited from our. Some of our superpowers that we kind of brought to the table. But like I said, being so young, we were just like, you know, we weren't like, you know, being asked to do something extra. It wasn't like, oh, well, yo, I need to get. Let's just do it. Let's do it. And, you know, we'll see at the top.

[Bow Legged Lou]

And, you know, the original script with me and my brother's. The original script, when Reggie wrote it, it had Full Force described in the script as descriptions. We weren't even cast. Then it said something that Kid and Play are accosted by droopy Jheri curl guys with great physiques. Somebody like, Full Force. That was literally in the script. So Robert Ford, who used to co produce our music with us, it was a good friend with Reggie, said, reggie, why don't you just get Full force? And then that's when he made a phone call to my brother Paul. The three of us got together. Now in the script, I think we were the first ones to start bum rushing the script. The original script. After we did the table read, I told my brothers, I said, man, we're just like bullies with no personalities in this list. My brothers were supposed to be Pee Wee. I said, I'll be Pee Wee. You're Zilla, you're Stab. And I'll talk like this throughout the whole movie, you know, kicking some fucking ass and all that stuff. And then we just create our own roles and. And we created our own scenes. And then we showed Reggie and Warrington Hudlin. They came to see the three of us do our thing because we're blood brothers anyway, so our chemistry is great. And Warrington, as soon as he saw what he did, Warrington Hudlin said, keep it. And then Reggie Hudlin said, you heard my brother, Keep it.

[Kid]

And so there wasn't no. Yeah, there wasn't no kick your ass. There wasn't no I smell.

[DJ Envy]

I made all that up on.

[Just Hilarious]

It's not like y got a producer credit then.

[Carlos Miller]

Was there ever any?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, this man says that randomly for no reason. I kick your for no reason.

[Paul Anthony]

That happens in the street.

[Anthony B. Fine]

That happens everywhere.

[Carlos Miller]

People walk up to y' all like.

[Anthony B. Fine]

That all the time.

[Paul Anthony]

Oh, yeah.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Every time. All the time.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Sometimes I say it before they say it. Just I know you want me to say it.

[Anthony B. Fine]

And on the set, Martin was like a little brother, everybody. And the best word that describes that whole experience was unity, which is a smooth segue into why we here.

[Paul Anthony]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So wait a minute. Who wrote the jailhouse rap? Cause you told me you said Reggie. Okay, all right. I'm like, there ain't no way Reggie wrote that.

[Kid]

No, no, but this is typically, like, I said, Reggie would come to you the night before or two nights before and say, hey, man, we need a rap in the jail. Hilarious. You know what I'm saying? You gotta write a rap in the jail. Herbie did a little beat, you know, when he said, yo, we need a rap battle. Trust me, all that stuff wasn't in the original.

[Paul Anthony]

To his credit, though.

[Kid]

No. He recognizes. So by the time we into the movie, now we a few weeks into the movie, and he's seeing really, who he's working with. He's like, man, I ain't nothing. I can't throw these dudes. These youngest is down for whatever. Yo, we need a battle rap. Okay? So that means I have to write it and Play gotta do. Excuse me. I have to write it. Play has to perform it. Herbie gotta do. Do the beat within a. Within a couple of days. So, you know, I mean, when you look at it now, I mean, to your. To your point, just a lot of times people would have been like, all right, well, you know, that's. That's. That. That didn't come with the original. Right, right. You know what I mean? But that's just not what the mentality was back then. The mentality was like, let's go. Let's just do it.

[Just Hilarious]

Make something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was in here with murder, murderers and stranglers. You guys are just a bunch of rump wranglers. That's when homophobia was hilarious.

[Kid]

Yeah. I will say that. This, that, that, that. I will say this. Stupid.

[DJ Envy]

See how excited he got?

[Kid]

That's the first. Remember the jail rap?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jail rap is hilarious.

[Kid]

When you listen to. I'll say this. The jail wrap has not aged well. Wait, to the point where one time I was watching, I was flipping, and I see house party on VH1. And it got to the point where the jail rap supposed to come up. Went right to the commercial and cut that out. This is like, you know. You know them executives at vh. Oh, no. This is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But what's funny. When you young. I was 12 when House Party came out. When you young, you thinking to yourself, man, that's what jail is. So I. I just looked at it from the perspective of you was just trying to protect your butt.

[Kid]

Right? But now when I look back at.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It, that shit is hilarious.

[Kid]

That's number one priority. If you remember, there was. I think I said one line was, I'm coming from the heart, from the center. The sign on my ass says do not enter. And guess what? We did this. We shot it in 89, it came out in 90. Nobody batted an eye. They were like, yeah, man. Freaking broke Wranglers.

[Paul Anthony]

The only thing we fought for in that movie is that New Line Cinema. Out of nowhere, they wanted to make it PG 13. We went nuts. I couldn't have been old past all of us. They would have watered it down.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Oh, my God.

[Kid]

You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

[Paul Anthony]

Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

[Kid]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because to B B always makes his point, and rightly so. You know, the vernacular. You know, even in a jail, rap or I smell pussy, the cuss words. I mean, that's how we all spoke, especially at that time in our lives as teenagers. You know what I mean? And that's why it holds up. It holds up to this day because it wasn't just about Kid and Play. Kid and Play was top line, but this became an ensemble movie. So you went from kid and play, you went to full force. You went to Robin Harris, you went to John Witherspoon next door talking shit. You turned to George Clinton, you went to Tisha and AJ Showing that bond between homegirls. And this isn't that. Darrell Chill rivalry. Darrell Chill Mitchell and Groove, may he rest in peace.

[Paul Anthony]

Groove Allen.

[Kid]

That's right. So, you know, and that's how. That's how it evolved. And that's why it's stood so strong to this day.

[Carlos Miller]

In all the writing that you did, did you write for Play as well, or did he write things that he did in rap himself?

[Kid]

Well, in that particular movie, in terms of the battle, I wrote both parts because. And early on that would happen from time to time, he and I were so tight that I knew how to write for him to put him in the best position possible. You know what I mean? Obviously, we're together all the time. I know how he thinks and stuff like that. And also too, you can't just think of the rap battle as a battle, per se. You have to think of it in terms of it, you know, theatrically and how you're writing it. You know, Play has to. He has to take the early lead. He has to be, you know, he has to be whipping my ass, basically, the first part of the battle. And then in the end, you know what I mean? I come. I come riding in on the horse to kind of take it in the end. You know what I'm saying?

[Bow Legged Lou]

Yeah, but she didn't ask about the chemistry. She just basically said, so all this time in your career, you've been the ghostwriter for Play?

[Kid]

No, no, no, that's. Well, that.

[Paul Anthony]

That would be.

[Kid]

That would be inaccurate.

[Carlos Miller]

That is not what I. That's not specifically what I asked, but I was gonna go back and ask a second question because I didn't. I wouldn't want to.

[Kid]

Yeah, no, that was down. That would be inaccurate. I mean, some. Some. I did a lot.

[Paul Anthony]

A lot.

[Kid]

I didn't. But if you're talking about that particular thing. Yeah. I mean, look, we. We all. Between myself, Play and Herbie Lovebug, we were all together, we were a team, but everybody had their own kind of superpowers. My thing was the lyrics, you know, on the music tip. Play's genius was, you know, he's the reason we look the way we look. He's the reason why we look cool. He's the reason why we dress the way we dress. He's the reason why the album covers, which were very important at that time, were. Were styled the way they were. He was the one with the concepts in the music videos. Herbie oversaw everything. Herbie made the beats. Herbie was the one that you brought. You brought the record to him when you thought it was done, and he's like, no, it's not done. I mean, Herbie was Diddy before Diddy, you know, musically and, and creatively. So that's the thing. So when. So when it was time first for each one of us to kind of lean into those, our little special power, we know we did that. As long as we win in the end.

[Carlos Miller]

What about.

[DJ Envy]

I want to ask, what's your flat top?

[Kid]

Right, right.

[DJ Envy]

You didn't have a typical flat top. Yours was like foot long pause.

[Kid]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

When you got that flat top and you came home with that, what did your mother say at that time?

[Kid]

Like, Right.

[DJ Envy]

What did your family say?

[Kid]

Well, my mother had passed by then, God rest her soul, so I would have gave that white woman a heart attack. Okay. But no, my, my, my. I was raised by my Jamaican father, so he was none too pleased. He's like, Your ear look like Abraham Lincoln's hat. And my father was. He was not. Although he was Jamaican, he was not a proponent of the hip hop lifestyle. Yeah, you just love this black life, don't you? You just. He never called it hip hop music. He said, yeah, I just love this yoga. Yoga music. Yeah. And then after every thing blows up, you know, he retired. I took him to the dealership to buy him a car. He was like, I always believed in you. Always believed in you. Give me the black Lexus with the leather interior and throw some Ds on that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that why you locked it up a bitch?

[Kid]

No, I just. You know what? I had to. I wanted to use the same instinct that told me to do the high top in the first place. I always trusted that the same instinct would tell me when it was time to move off. So we had an opportunity when we started doing the movie Class act, where I knew there was gonna be an opportunity to move to a different hairstyle, being the twist or dreads or what it eventually became. And so that's when I made the move. And I almost got in trouble for it. We almost got in trouble when Warner Brothers signed us for that film and they heard I was thinking about changing High High Top. They threatened to sue us because they felt like we buying everything, we're getting all this. You know what I mean? So we went back and forth when we compromised in terms of I would start the movie with a high top and then. And then go to the twist. And then I never went back. And so this is shooting in, like, 91, 92. So I haven't worn it since then, but it's still ever present, I think. I think someone's working on a. A tombstone that looks like a high top I will eventually be buried in. But that's one of those things you can't. You can't anticipate that either. That. That's gonna resonate so many years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to ask the brothers the full force. You know, y' all were always known as producers and musicians, right? When y' all started playing the villains, comedic villains in House Party, when did you realize that you had to have versatility in entertainment?

[Kid]

Wait not to cut you off, but that's kind of. I think that's kind of what you did in House Party because you kind of. You kind of played that role in Crush Groove.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Right, Right.

[Kid]

You know what I mean? Everybody was in Crush Groove.

[Paul Anthony]

Well, a lot of people didn't know. Is that from kids? You know, we were always acting, always doing skits making our parents watch. And Lou, like, for five Christmases in a row, from the time he was 12, he would get the same thing for Christmas. Kenna give a show projector. So he was always, like, filming and making us. I mean, he was making us do these plays. So when we. When we started acting and doing it as we got older, people didn't know, but for us, it was like nothing. Like, if you remember the scene with us in the lunchroom and I'm punching kid. And then Ludus goes, wait, wait, wait.

[Kid]

Okay. No, no, no, no.

[Paul Anthony]

None of that's in the script. As a matter of fact, a lot of things we did happened right there on set.

[Just Hilarious]

Improv.

[Paul Anthony]

And we're just winging it. The rap, all of that. But that's because us as kids doing it, we kind of know what he's gonna say, or if we don't, we play off of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So y' all always understood the power of versatility?

[Paul Anthony]

Yes, absolutely.

[Anthony B. Fine]

And it was a natural progression for us. That's why Hollywood looked for so many rappers, because you were so authentic. My dad always tell us, don't you know, don't sing the song become the song. When I was producing, when I'm doing vocals with Patti LaBelle or Latoya Jackson, Lisa, I always say, don't sing the song become the song. So acting was the same thing. It was just a natural progression for us. So we knew that you had to have versatile energy.

[DJ Envy]

You ever think music could get back to the time where it was fun?

[Anthony B. Fine]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Like, where y' all were dancing. Like, you look at now, and you go to the club now, you're not gonna see people dancing. Like, the way you guys dance.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

Or the way we dance. Like, you just don't see it anymore, do you could get back to that funness?

[Anthony B. Fine]

I think so. I do think so. I think. I think the first thing is. Well, I think so, because I think music is getting back to real songs. That's why you hear rapper samples. I hear real melodies. I think melodies are coming back. And singing has come back. When I do hbcu as appearances, I mean, they're dressed like us, they're dancing like us, and they're looking for that old flavor. And they doing some of the old dances and the old vibe and old energy. I think it's coming back.

[Paul Anthony]

It's going to be. To see. Because technology is just different. I mean, when we all came up, even you know that we're significantly older than some of you here. You might have caught that last wave of like those house parties, those basement jams. Yo, those. Those were real. I mean, those were our club. I don't think it's going to come back in that way. I mean, everybody's buried in their phone, even at the parties. And you know, and dance was everything, you know, even when you had those parties, you had the hood rock dudes, you had the people that you know could dance. You had dance battles. I mean, this happened at every party. That type of texture is not the same.

[Kid]

I remember.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Yeah, I think it's coming.

[DJ Envy]

Remember the last 10 minutes of a party, be R B and you go grab that girl for the last.

[Paul Anthony]

Days. When you were like just waiting for the slow jam and you're eyeing out the one you're going to go to. The slow jam didn't come on yet. That, that I brothers joint or. Or heat wave, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get back to what year y' all talking because the reality I don't even got.

[DJ Envy]

It could be the early 2000s like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We used to like dancing has never gone anywhere. I think to your point.

[Kid]

No, it hasn't.

[DJ Envy]

Listen, we go to clubs now, they don't see nobody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's my point. They may not dance in the club, but they just dance like Tik Tok. That's where everybody dances. And then in the south, we never stopped dancing in the South. We was creating the dances and y'.

[Paul Anthony]

All New York was hating on it.

[Just Hilarious]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's what he saying though. Like, like the part dancing at a party, people dance in front they each other and all of that, but actual, like the actual feel of a house party where nobody in their phone, they just all having fun. You know what I mean? That's what, that's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We need affordable housing then. Cuz people don't have housing.

[Kid]

And then it's. And then it's about the interaction between people. People, you know, it's why, it's why the, the kid and play dance is still. People still enjoy that because yeah, you got to do it with somebody. It's a celebratory dance, you know what I mean? You, you got a new job, do the kid and play, go work. You just bust a nut.

[DJ Envy]

If you got some energy.

[Anthony B. Fine]

But the Charlemagne point, if you go down south, go to Virginia, go to. Oh yeah, they still rocking, they still dancing, they still doing in the clubs, in the schools, everything. It all depends on where somebody's on the ground.

[Kid]

I don't know. I mean.

[DJ Envy]

And then y' all changed it with the switch was even crazier because now if you get a girl into a, like, switch, you gonna write to that one you want, right?

[Paul Anthony]

Yeah.

[Kid]

But I don't know what happens now because the, The. The bottle service generation kind of moved out. The dance generation. But all the information that I'm getting online in social media these days is that that bottle stuff is. Is. Is kind of flaming. Yeah. So what are, what are people supposed to do now? You know, I'd still travel around the country either doing kid and play stuff or doing stand up. So, you know, they'll take you around to the clubs and whatnot. And I don't know. I don't. You know, they'll. They'll put me somewhere. I'm just, I'm just looking. I feel like I'm a. I'm a head of state. You better not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm gonna show you a video.

[Carlos Miller]

We're gonna ignore this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on.

[Carlos Miller]

For you guys. No, I don't know what he's talking about. Question for you guys. I saw. Well, it was. It was some time ago, but the Lisa. Lisa documentary or biopic, you guys not being included and the people were really upset about that. How did you guys feel personally, though? Because you guys have been in all the videos and.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Right. I'll speak on this. Try to make it nicely. What happened is that at the time, I didn't know there was any type.

[Kid]

Of.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Negativity or anything like that until I saw Lisa and Tony Minaj, who's her manager, do interviews together. I was kind of surprised at that. But as far as the movie, we weren't in it. You know, it's their movie. Tony and Lisa, they executive produced it. Cult Jam now was in it and culture was mentioned. Cult Jam wasn't down with all of that because nobody came to Cult Jam, even though in interviews they said, well, you know, Cult Jam in Full Force, everybody's confused. That was the reasoning. They said that they didn't mention Full Force because people would get confused with Cult Jam and Full Force. And that's why they.

[Anthony B. Fine]

As a collective, we all have different personalities through us, but we come together. I'm a little boy. More direct. In your face. So we wanted to still do a reunion. We did a show. We did a show. And when I. When they asked us a question, I said, to quote my dear brother Bernie in heaven, some. She just don't make no sense. I said that on stage because it was okay. That's what it was. How can you do something like that without us? Yeah, okay, but I understand what they did, but it was just bullshit.

[Bow Legged Lou]

No what it was that they wanted to interject Tony the manager into the Lisa Lisa and co Jam career to tell her story too. And she's. She's, you know, she's a nice person. Talented also. But at the time in the movie, that timeline, Tony wasn't there in that timeline because Cult Jam, they. You can go on YouTube and you'll see. YouTube says cult jam sets the record straight because they wanted people to know. Know the scenario at that timeline. It was just Lisa Lisa in full force in Co Jam at the time. Like, Tony didn't come as far as managing Lisa by herself until down the line, maybe five, six years before that, you know, but. But after all of that, we weren't mad. You know, there was a backlash by a lot of fans and stuff like that. Like, how could you do that? My thing is that life is too short. Let's have a nice Lisa Lisa Cult Jam and full force reunion together on the stage. Because the fans.

[Paul Anthony]

The fans would love.

[Bow Legged Lou]

That's gonna be.

[Anthony B. Fine]

I'm a little different.

[Kid]

Fans would.

[Paul Anthony]

I know, Louis.

[Bow Legged Lou]

We tried to do it before.

[Anthony B. Fine]

It's okay. We're gonna make it happen.

[Carlos Miller]

I think. I think to his sentiment, it's like, when people tell the certain stories, there are certain things that you have to mention. So I think the oversight was, like, intentional.

[Kid]

That was blatant.

[Anthony B. Fine]

And I know. I know Lisa wasn't gonna go too, too over the top. Her and I always had a special bond. That's why she wore the headband like me all the time. But, I mean, some stuff just doesn't make sense. You can still get a point, of course, without shoveling the.

[Kid]

You know what I mean?

[Anthony B. Fine]

So, yeah, be that as it may, moving on, it's all good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did they say anything to y'?

[Kid]

All?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, how did they explain that to you?

[Anthony B. Fine]

They apologize nicely afterwards. After got. No, not to us. But we got word that they. After the backlash they were getting, they would say, yo, they put out love them and all that, you know, it's all good.

[DJ Envy]

Though they talked about it earlier. I was just curious. Y' all get tired of the. The things that people know about you the most, right? Like, do people come up to you in the airport, but, like, let's do a kid and play Kickstart? Like, do people come to me, I smell like, do y' all hate that? Or is it one of those things that just shows love?

[Anthony B. Fine]

Yeah, shows love. And it never gets old. And I appreciate the blessing every time, you know, that's how we're going to extend and Live forever with stuff like that.

[Kid]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you really think about it, you know what I mean? Sometimes I'll bug out, you know what I mean? I remember I was, I was, I think I was still in college and I was working at this fucked up bank, Greenpoint Savings bank, you know what I mean?

[Paul Anthony]

I'm out there in business still.

[Kid]

But I was just miserable. I had a supervisor that was really hawking me, man. She was really jockeying it. So every time she went to the other side of the floor, I'd whip out this notebook and that had all my rhymes in it and a lot of the stuff that became the songs on our first album. And I just remember saying to myself, I gotta get, get the fuck outta here, man, you know what I mean? And now to see.

[Carlos Miller]

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[Kid]

Just words on a page to, to, to, you know, to conquering the toughest rap environment and most crucial rap environment ever existed. You know, we came out to Tri State. That wasn't, no, that was no small feat back then. Envy. You know this, y' all know y', all, y' all know this. We had to, we had to. You know, we, we going to and performing at the Latin Quarters every weekend. It wasn't just a test of your, test of your skill, it was a test of your manhood. It was a test of going to Union Square. You could get stabbed up, shot up. But we came back every single weekend, this and that. So yeah, it's the words that Took life. It's the dances that people still do to this day. It's hairstyles and stuff that people still talk about. It blows you. It blows your mind to be honest. So, so, so when it gets, when those references are made to all of us, I think I can speak for, for the fellas and for Play. You're like, man, we appreciate it. You know what I mean? Timing's everything though. When you do make.

[DJ Envy]

I ain't go front when I see Play in the airport. I almost just did the kid in Play cuz it's just like how many airports?

[Kid]

But then.

[DJ Envy]

And then just remember that.

[Kid]

Yeah, then also too this thing, this thing has been so good. It gets passed on. I was in Atlanta, I'm hanging out with with a hurricane takes me to some, some barbecue and we're out there and this middle aged black lady, she's running around with this little girl. Girl must have been about five, six years old. So we're standing over there on the side and the little girl gets a look at me. She goes, oh, oh, oh oh oh oh oh oh. Run all the way over to me. And I'm like, yo, what's going on? She said, daddy, you got a whopping better than that. She said, she said, you got a whooping. I said, I got a whipping. I said, who gave me a whooping? Yo, pops. I said, how this six year old know what's going? She said, my auntie don't work. She, she watch that movie all the time. She don't work.

[Just Hilarious]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every diamond is always on.

[Kid]

He blew it up. No, but, but, but this is the gift that's getting passed on, you know, I mean older brothers to younger siblings, parents to, to, to their children. And so that this is what we're a part of and hopefully this is what we'll be celebrating this weekend. You know. Come, come on, come on. Children's free.

[DJ Envy]

So what are you doing this week for people that don't know but break down what's happening.

[Kid]

Yeah, go ahead, Lou.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Brooklyn Unity Festival in old balls Boys and girls High school or the old high school Brooklyn Unity Fest is happening this Saturday.

[Kid]

Yeah.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Celebrating the 35 years of house party along with kitten play is going to.

[Kid]

Be performing gang of groups full force is going to be Jada going to be.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Little C's Faith Evans is stopping through and a lot of surprises. A lot of local people performing as well. Giving that Brooklyn and they wanted me to shout the to stop the things. They wanted to thank Housing Works the Empress Empire and the Brooklyn Nets for helping to give back this Saturday and for more information, go to brooklynunityfest.com for info and you can watch it live stream. And we want to give a shout out also to Mel and Veena, part of the Brooklyn Unity Fest.

[Kid]

Nice.

[Carlos Miller]

How is streaming impacted your lives with House party? Being on streaming now, like what's the positive effects and negative effects that you guys see?

[Anthony B. Fine]

You just talked about streaming, weren't you?

[Bow Legged Lou]

No, the positive and negative.

[Kid]

Not a fan. Not a fan music.

[Bow Legged Lou]

You're talking about the film being on.

[Carlos Miller]

Like you can watch it on streams. Where you stream it.

[Paul Anthony]

You can tell they, bro. No, honestly, it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing that, that it transcends everything. You know, my brain is still caught up on the whole thing with the Lisa being that Lisa. The whole thing. That was a, that was a concept of mine. The whole thing to bring that into fruition. Oh yeah, the biopic Lisa, period. Oh, oh, yes.

[Bow Legged Lou]

To bring a Spanish girl to be Lisa. We already had the song written already. Take you home.

[Paul Anthony]

Yeah, yeah. No, I had, I wrote that song and then I knew that there was no Hispanic type of hero. Nothing at that time. It was just Menudo. And the Hispanic community for me was just like, I used to see Hispanic people as just light skinned black people. They were so engulfed in our community, you know. So when I see like, yeah, I'm black. I knew they was going to do.

[DJ Envy]

That, you know, they going to do that.

[Paul Anthony]

I watch all. I knew he was gonna do that. Long story short though, it's just that a shame that they did a story that didn't show how Lisa came to be at all, you know, why there was no Hispanic type of influence out there at all. For me, I grew up with a lot of Hispanic people that were, you know, from playing on the handball courts, we played ball together. When there was always a dance crew, there was always a Hispanic brother in there. When there was a Hispanic crew, there's always black brother in there. So my, you know, being in New York, the Hispanic population with us was like this melting pot. And I don't feel like it really showed that. It didn't show that type of culmination on how Lisa was picked and why she was picked and how important she is to these young Hispanic girls. Before Jennifer Lopez, before Expose, before all it was Lisa. Right? But that was intentional because there was nothing out at that time. I would tease my friends about Yo Menudo and they would get mad. That's my little sister. The Hispanic people that I've grown up with were just like us as far as mannerism, style, flavor, and everything. So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's. It's. It's not even. It's beyond safe to say there would be no Lisa. Lisa without full force, not just you picking her. The songs y' all wrote. I wonder if you can't cry out head to toe.

[Anthony B. Fine]

I mean, we already had. We already had the sound. Now we're just looking for the right artist to put in it. Bea had that written. We had all cried out be with Kenny. So we already had the sound, the right artist. But once again, that lends to the question of why to leave us out of it. It doesn't make sense of the movie.

[Paul Anthony]

Of the documentary at one point. It was a great. It was a great vehicle to inspire other young girls on how she came to be for real, you know, and that's why.

[Kid]

You know what I don't like. And I know you guys have these. These arguments and these discussions sometimes, and it seems to be a hot topic these days, talking about black and Latinos and their particular contributions to hip hop and stuff like that. Yeah. And I'm one of those people, like, I agree with B 100% like that. And that's what I think. That's what made the music resonate when it did. Because these are coming out of real relationships. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I grew up with it. I grew up with a gang of Latinos, just like black people. I'm half white. Nobody had to be one particular thing. People were examining your psyche and your soul. That's what it was about. Can you dance? Can you rap? Can you sing? And we were living side by side with each other. So, yeah, that had been a much more interesting story. And I know that's what the real story is. I know black and brown people built hip hop. I know it. Cause I was there. I'm interested in that. I'm just like, what are we doing? Who's poisoning. We've built all of this to this point. And. And. And I don't know what. I don't. I don't get that. And. Yeah, and I would appreciate it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all had all of those records done already?

[Paul Anthony]

Oh, yeah. Like, all of them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Head to toe.

[Anthony B. Fine]

No, Head to Toe came late. That was on the second album. Okay. But. Right.

[Paul Anthony]

We had to take you home. Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Paul Anthony]

I had Take you home. And can you feel the beat?

[Kid]

Okay.

[Paul Anthony]

We had that before we had the artist.

[Kid]

Right. Because it was crazy. Wow.

[Paul Anthony]

Because I knew what I. What I wanted I knew that, you know, I wanted a Hispanic young lady who echoed New York, you know, because additional quite a few people. And I was like, nah, nah, nah. And then Mike from Cult Jam, you know, he rang my bell one day and said, b, man, I heard you're looking for Hispanic young lady that could sing. You know, I think I got this girl. And he said, and, you know, I'm thinking maybe, you know, if you like her, maybe we could like be like a group, you know, I got Al, you know Al. I said, yeah, I know Al and me and this thing called Cult Jam. Now, the deal is I never was going to use the group called Cult Jam, but our co manager said, well, how about if it works, we use, you know, Lisa and Cult Jamie. And he came up with the name. How about we call her Lisa Lisa? And I went nuts.

[Kid]

Who?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Cos?

[Anthony B. Fine]

His name is Steve Salem.

[Paul Anthony]

He came up with that name. We got out the car, we started south side, yo, it sounds so Spanish, like, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. And he was right.

[Bow Legged Lou]

It was perfect.

[Paul Anthony]

And that's what you want. A lot of people lost track of what artist development is because what would happen, it was intentional that when people went to the clubs, because I remember that record came on the Bentleys. I couldn't believe it.

[Kid]

It was crazy.

[Paul Anthony]

I mean, you know, people would say, yo, play that Lisa Lisa record. And that's what you want. They wouldn't even say, yo, play take you home. They would say, play at Lisa Lisa record.

[Kid]

And then we had identifying the brand and, you know, be fine is legit. You know, he really. There's history because he's still up there using the word Hispanic.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Stuff.

[Kid]

So funny, because when he came up.

[Paul Anthony]

With this, still using Hispanic. When he came up with I wonder.

[Bow Legged Lou]

If I take you home right? And the song was already done. He was so adamant that it must be a Latino girl to do it. So, yeah, full force. It wasn't for full force, there wouldn't be no Lisa Lisa. But B, right from the jump, knew that he wanted to be a Latin girl.

[Kid]

And look, I think. I don't think full force gets enough credit. And this look, like I said, this stuff comes organically. Yes, the whole Lisa Lisa vibe, it's organic. Look at another big hit they had. Thanks for my child, Cheryl, Pepsi, Riley. You remember how big that record was. Who makes a record with a girl? They're about to have a baby. This is before Brenda got a baby. All this and that. They're writing records, even slow jams that were speaking to the streets. They Writing slow jams. So I'm always the biggest full force fans. Their versatility was. Was incredible. They working with Backstreet. They working with Samantha Fox. White people we like.

[DJ Envy]

Or. Did somebody ever get y'.

[Kid]

All.

[DJ Envy]

Did y' all get everything with all the songs that you. They written. He just named a couple of them. Did y' all get what y' all.

[Kid]

Was supposed to get?

[Anthony B. Fine]

Pretty much. They're still coming.

[Kid]

Oh, so, yeah.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Members and I don't think we got everything.

[Paul Anthony]

No, they still don't know.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, he said no, no, no.

[Paul Anthony]

When. When. When doing Roxanne. Roxanne. Doing that. No, you know, because when you deal with independent labels, you know how that go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Just Hilarious]

Utfo. Roxanne, Roxanne.

[Bow Legged Lou]

That was our first production.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Utfo.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Roxanne, Roxanne.

[Kid]

And we was on that same label, too. Select Records.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Yeah.

[Paul Anthony]

Oh, yeah.

[Anthony B. Fine]

I know y' all got it.

[Kid]

That means sometimes they select when they pay you. You right. Damn it.

[Bow Legged Lou]

He's right.

[Kid]

Platinum record. I select not to pay you from beginning to end.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's my.

[Just Hilarious]

What?

[Bow Legged Lou]

Thank you.

[Paul Anthony]

Thank you.

[Carlos Miller]

That's my favorite royalties.

[Anthony B. Fine]

They still come in, but there's always more to get. You know, like basketball. We cover basketball. I'm sure there's still some we should get from that, too. That was like, the first verse, like.

[Bow Legged Lou]

You know, you talked about the movie. The movie left out a song. The Lisa. Lisa movie.

[Kid]

It.

[Bow Legged Lou]

Which we had nothing to do with, but they left out the song. They didn't represent. All Cried out in there. Now, we did a duet with Lisa on that full force. But they could have even did the first verse or something. All Cried Out. But All Cried out was mysteriously. Mysteriously not in the movie. And Paul was the one that wrote all the.

[Anthony B. Fine]

That's a true story. That's a standard, you know, so once we had. Lisa was like, okay, cool. We started zeroing in on that. So I even told her, I said, some of these songs you're going to be doing 30, 40 years from now. And All Cried out, you know, when. Our first time. When even Olor did it over. But I heard Mariah saying it. It was Mariah's favorite song, you know, so, you know, all the more reason why when we do our documentary, we will graciously include Lisa. Everybody who impacted our lives, y', all, everything. It's all connected.

[DJ Envy]

How often do y' all fight? Cause y'.

[Kid]

All.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all got so many different temperaments, personalities. Y' all stick in your fight and who wins.

[Paul Anthony]

Well, the deal is it never got physical. You Know, as we became adults, you know, but, yeah, usually it's bump heads with me.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Yeah. And you know something? But here's the deal. I remember me and B, last time we had a knockdown argument, back and forth, everything. And I said, okay, I'm like this. After that. Okay, cool.

[Paul Anthony]

Yeah.

[Anthony B. Fine]

I'm the type that. Okay, okay, y'.

[Kid]

All.

[Anthony B. Fine]

After that, I'm like, okay, I'm going to ihop, B. I got you.

[Paul Anthony]

Who's buying?

[Anthony B. Fine]

Because, you know, that's me. I don't hang on nothing, you know, and that's how it's supposed to be, you know, because at the end of the day, we're on three mamas, boys, and we come together for a mom and everything like that, and that's what counts.

[Kid]

Let's go to the gym, guys. We're still blood brothers, and we still.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Love each other no matter what.

[Kid]

Yo, one time. This is back in the days. So one time me and Play almost had like a. Like a. Like a fist fight, like. Like in public, you know what I mean? Which. Which. Which is. Which never happened. So we're flying in from somewhere. I think we flying in from the west coast and we coming into, you know, Newark back in the days, but before they fixed it up was mad junkie or whatever. I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

Still kind of is.

[Kid]

But that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But I don't know, it was. It was something like really, really stupid. I think we had just gotten off a tour, so we've been up on. Under each other for. For weeks on end and. But the funny part was, you know, we actually got up into each other's face and da, da, da, da. The road manager has to, you know, kind of break us apart. But the funny part was, you know, we're by the baggage claim, and then you could see the fans over there. Oh, my God, kid. And players fighting. So, you know, yeah, those. Those times are rare because, you know, those are. These are the people that. That you go to war with, you know, Once again, shout out to play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wonder how the films impacted how people perceived y' all musical legacy. Like, do they know y' all more from the films and don't really know how big y' all are as producers with.

[Paul Anthony]

With the younger generation. Yeah. Sometimes they're always surprised because when you start writing those certain songs and certain things that we've done, you know, they're very surprised. But that's the deal with. I mean, house party gave us a different kind of life, you know? I mean, up to this day, all of the HBCU colleges, the bands, and hearing them play, like, ain't my type of hype, you know? And so, I mean, it's just beyond humbling, you know? I mean, it's beyond humbling.

[Just Hilarious]

When we had y' all on Wild N Out, yo, everybody was hyped. I remember that. Like, man, when y' all came, that was, like, one of the most fun episodes of the. Of the season. The crowd that Nick. First of all, Nick loves. Nick's love for y' all was, like, crazy. Then me, remember me and Pretty Vee, we did the dance bit that Tisha and AJ did. We did, man. It was just. It was amazing doing that. Yo, we were so honored to have y' all on.

[Bow Legged Lou]

And it was full force. Full force on the red team.

[Kid]

Yep.

[DJ Envy]

And.

[Kid]

We won. We can't get freaking in.

[Anthony B. Fine]

I still got the belt at home.

[Kid]

Yeah, we won.

[Paul Anthony]

Damn it.

[Kid]

I bet you did. Yes. Whenever we do those, like, hip hop game shows, I'm like. I overthink it. You know what I mean? I'm just like. You know what I mean? So that you answer something like hip hop squares. Yeah. Or we're not. You know what I mean? Whenever I go on those things, I'm, like, thinking too much. We did. We did Celebrity Family Feud a couple years ago with. With Salt and Pepper. It was Salt and pepper kid and play. Yeah. And all I'm thinking is just don't it up. You know what I mean? Then. Then the salt picks me to go to do the. The final whatever. Like that.

[Just Hilarious]

The rapid question.

[Kid]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rapid fire whatever. And all you think. Thinking is, oh, God, I gotta. You know what I'm saying? I got. I gotta get it. I gotta get to 200. Yeah. You know what I mean? Which. Which we did. And then after that, I'm like, yeah, but. But, you know, everything gets magnified, and I think you can overthink it.

[Just Hilarious]

Did anybody ever tell you you look like Michael Jai White?

[Paul Anthony]

Yeah.

[Just Hilarious]

Oh, Michael Jai White looks like you.

[Kid]

Yeah.

[Just Hilarious]

I swear.

[Anthony B. Fine]

That's my man. You know?

[Bow Legged Lou]

How did Michael Jai White and his wife dress up one Halloween?

[Anthony B. Fine]

Oh, yeah, they won. They won many, many Halloween parties. He would dress up as me with a ripped shirt, headband. His wife would dress up as Lisa.

[Kid]

Lisa.

[Anthony B. Fine]

And he won many, many things. Yeah, man, look, from Full force, he looks like you. That is.

[Kid]

That's dope, man.

[DJ Envy]

Appreciate y' all brothers for joining us.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Absolutely. It's always fun coming in.

[Kid]

Wait, you got any shout outs? You want to shout somebody at.

[Paul Anthony]

Well, let me just say this before we go, all the acts that we've produced and work with from Lisa, even utfo, Cheryl, Cheryl, Pepsi, Riley, love her. We still love all of them. Right? You know, that little Lisa movie thing has nothing to do with how much we love them still. You know, I mean, for real.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We can call it that little, little, little Lisa move, you know, the black person.

[Paul Anthony]

But the deal is not. It's still love. I mean, and I mean that because I'm the type of person. I'm not gonna say it if I don't mean it.

[Anthony B. Fine]

And I would just like to mention all love to all our families, our mothers, y', alls, including my mom. She's still hanging in there strong, but we rally around her. And then we have a. We're finally getting around to doing our podcast. Also, House of Soul. It's gonna be fun. I'm finally getting around to do my book. It's gonna be called Priceless Private Moments in Time. Y' all can get the Pre [e-mail] I'm gonna talk about certain things that you may not see in a podcast. Certain things in the podcast you may not see in the book. My Private times with beating three cancers in the streets of East Flatbush with Dr. Sebi, with Queen of four, Michael Jordan. Certain things that were never shared before.

[Just Hilarious]

Gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Queen of Four.

[Just Hilarious]

Pierre just had.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Really?

[Paul Anthony]

Yeah.

[Anthony B. Fine]

That's family.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She got her ascension event this weekend.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Yeah. She married my young. My uncle, my mother's young younger brother. So once again, king minded.org that's a site for the pre orders, y'.

[Kid]

All.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Come on.

[Bow Legged Lou]

And recently we're having. The Criterion Collection is doing a house party. They're doing a lot of extras we got together that's going to add to it. It's an extra, a reissue of House Party 4K. 4K. A lot of different things in it. And we did a reunion, a zoom reunion of Hidden Play, Wolf Force, Tisha Campbell, AJ And Darrell Chill Mitchell on there, which was really, really fun. That was just a few days ago. And I just want to give a shout out real quick, too, because for all these years, I just never thought Hitman Howie T never got the. Never got the true credit he has. He's a great producer. But one of our first big hit records is Full Force was a song called Alice I Want yout Just For Me, which was written and produced by Full Force and Hitman Howie T. So I always want that out there. Cause Howie T, now Hitman Howie Tipman.

[Paul Anthony]

Howie T and the Herbie Love Bug to me are two of the most unsung hip hop producers, period.

[Kid]

I agree. Big shout out to Herbie, big shout out to play. Big shout out to my man on the west coast, my man Dante at Golden Artist Entertainment. It's. It's always great to come back to New York. We don't get to come here often enough. One of my daughters still lives here holding it down in Brooklyn. And you know what? I follow you guys. You know, the Breakfast Club is important. I like you. I know when y' all go through your little kerfuffles, you know what I'm saying? You know, I'm like, what's gonna happen? It don't matter if y' all are into it or. And be going through something or whatever like that. But one of the things I've been noticing lately is you guys always seem to stay the course. And there's some days when things look kind of cloudy or kind of bad or things that y' all might not be able to recover for, but recover from. Excuse me, but I don't know what. I don't know what that is. Maybe that's the bond you guys have together.

[Anthony B. Fine]

The chemistry.

[Kid]

The chemistry, sure, absolutely. But, but, but you know what, y', all, Y' all never seem to get. Get upset or perturbed by whatever that initial wave is because everybody coming at you for whatever particular reason. Yo, I like that. That's slow. That's slow and steady.

[Paul Anthony]

Everybody know.

[Kid]

And that's why y'. All.

[Paul Anthony]

I don't think Envy gets enough credit with his sense of humor. You can take it, man.

[Just Hilarious]

I see me taking it.

[DJ Envy]

You know what it is? And I'll be honest. I've been. At first, I couldn't pause.

[Kid]

Right. I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But a few freak off parties, you learned how to do it.

[DJ Envy]

But you gotta realize once you're securing yourself. Cause I remember the first when we started working with each other, it wasn't funny. It wasn't funny at me at first it was funny, but it was one of those things. Like, it's funny here. Yeah, but I don't want everybody else to hear that. Funny.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Okay?

[DJ Envy]

And you start feeling away, and then when you work with him, he doesn't stop. He keeps pounding.

[Just Hilarious]

Because he's. He's a catcher too, you know, he loves the catcher.

[Kid]

Oh, double pause. He's a catcher.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I am a pitcher.

[DJ Envy]

But to answer your question, I love these group. I love these people here. I think we want the best for each other.

[Just Hilarious]

Yeah, for sure.

[Paul Anthony]

Y' all are dope, man.

[Anthony B. Fine]

And the chemistry, I mean, y' all incredible. Fit in seamlessly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I give all credit to God. I feel like God is engineering all of this.

[Paul Anthony]

And the last thing I just want to say that nobody knows is that the last time we was here, I hope I don't get up saying this. Last time we was here, the energy was so good. It was just so. Because we didn't know what to expect, you know? The energy was so good, so positive. And we loved y' all for this, man. And when we left here, we felt so good. We went to see my father, who had Parkinson's at that time, and that was the last time all three of us saw him together. And every time when I see MC Light and when I see you guys, I think I'm a father. MC Light was the first person to work no MC Light. My father was the first person to work with MC Light when she was younger. Yeah, yeah, we always talked about that. So every time I see you guys, every time, and I watch you guys all the time, and every time I see Light, I always think of my father.

[Kid]

Man, that is so dope.

[Paul Anthony]

I always got you guys in a positive light.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you, man.

[Bow Legged Lou]

God bless you. And I just want to say I was born in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands, and Charlamagne also comes from one of the islands.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Which one is that?

[Bow Legged Lou]

Rikers.

[Paul Anthony]

Okay. He goes back all the time, taking it.

[Anthony B. Fine]

Appreciate.

[Bow Legged Lou]

We appreciate you.

[DJ Envy]

You know, you a icon, Bo. Lego called me one time. It was like, I need help with this. I said, bo, look. I said, if I have to buy your tickets for you, like what? I'm going to connect to this thing.

[Bow Legged Lou]

I love you, man. Thanks.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Kid]

Every day I wake up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wake your ass up.

[Kid]

The Breakfast Club.

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