INTERVIEW: Ciara Opens Up About Family, Independent Artistry, Russell Wilson, Rihanna, New Music + More

Summary

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The Breakfast Club Podcast: Ciara Opens Up About Family, Independent Artistry, Russell Wilson, Rihanna, New Music + More

Date: August 22, 2025
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne tha God, Lauren LaRosa
Guest: Ciara

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Episode Overview

This episode features multi-platinum artist Ciara, who joins The Breakfast Club to discuss her new independent album “Cece,” family life as Russell Wilson’s partner, navigating motherhood and a music career, the realities of independent artistry, her evolving relationship with public perception—including memorable moments with hosts—and cherished collaborations. Ciara’s conversation offers a candid look at her journey, the lessons learned in music and business, the importance of ownership and community, and her vision for legacy and love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Reflections and Warmth (02:19–06:18)

• DJ Envy shares a heartfelt story about his daughters dancing for Ciara and the importance of representation for Black kids in dance.
  • Ciara: “I went home and told Russ, I said, babe, these girls... my daughter Cena was there watching them, and I love that she was seeing a girl that looked like her watching your daughters do what they were doing.” (04:28)
• Playful banter about past interactions; Ciara reflects on not holding onto negativity from previous interviews.
  • Ciara: “When you got your energy in a certain place, you can't remember everything crazy that someone does to you or says about you.” (05:01)
• Charlamagne apologizes for his old “Ciara had the crickets” joke.
  • Charlamagne tha God: “It was what I used to say: Rihanna had the navy, Beyoncé had the beehive, and Ciara had the crickets.” (06:04)
  • Ciara: “That's crazy. Well, but crickets are chirping loud, ain't they? Period.” (06:11)

2. Life Changes: Moving to New York & Football (06:19–09:27)

• Ciara discusses her family's move to New York for Russell Wilson's new NFL journey, how her perspective on the city has evolved, and finding community for her kids.
• On supporting Russell:
  • Ciara: “It's organized chaos in our house … But we're having fun right now and I really love football too.” (08:48)

3. Relationship & Public Perception (09:27–11:41)

• Ciara addresses being in the headlines for her relationship:
  • Ciara: “I'm out here living … a part of living in front of the world is people—you're going to be open to people having opinions.” (09:36)
• Being a wife, mother, entrepreneur, and artist—embracing all aspects.

4. The 'Cece' Album: Personal and Independent (10:19–13:33)

• The significance of her album name “Cece,” her lifelong nickname, and its personal connection.
  • Ciara: “It's really more so just my token of appreciation … to have the level of support that I've had is like... just such a blessing.” (11:38)

Independent Grind & Ownership (11:41–13:33)

• The freedom and work intensity of being independent.
  • Ciara: “There's nothing better than owning your masters, right? … There's nothing better than ownership.” (11:51)
  • “Now I get to reap my full benefits of when I do take that big risk and make that big bet. So I like it this way.” (12:49)

5. Music Industry: Challenges & Resilience (13:49–16:01)

• Ciara recounts being underestimated by a label CEO and the satisfaction of her single “Level Up” succeeding afterward.
  • Ciara: “I ran into him shortly after Level Up took off... he was lost for words.” (14:07)
• On facing rejection and the importance of self-belief.
  • Ciara: “No matter how successful you are, you’re still going to hear someone say no or you can’t—that’s just what comes with it.” (15:01)

6. Redefining Success, Adaptation & Purpose (16:01–18:04)

• On “being slept on” and staying sane:
  • Ciara: “The most important thing for me is that when it's all said and done, do I have my sanity? … What is your definition of wealth? Mine is health … my joy, my sanity.” (16:07)
• Adapting through eras in music:
  • “I learned that... I'm built for it, I know I'm walking in my purpose. I think my purpose is greater than music.” (17:15)
• The family’s “Why Not You” foundation—service as part of her purpose.

7. Career Reinventions and Notable Songs (18:04–20:33)

• Looking back: “Goodies,” “Promise,” “Level Up.”
  • On “Promise”: “The CEO was like, ‘This is the worst R&B record.’ … and that week I came out… had my first number one album.” (18:41)
• “Level Up” as a moment of dancing through pregnancy, viral success, and independent risk.

8. New Music, Visuals, and Collaborations (20:33–22:34)

• Visuals for new tracks, filming “Dance of Me” with Tyga and Russell Westbrook.
• Upcoming deluxe album, “Low” feat. Diamond Platnumz.

9. Creative Process and Family Collaboration (22:34–23:58)

• Keeping music selection intentional; relying on husband Russell Wilson’s creative input.
  • “The thing about Russ that I don't think people know is, like, he actually has really incredible ideas that he'll throw my way.” (23:27)
• Russ’s hidden dance moves and playful anecdotes.

10. Public Critique of Russell Wilson & Blended Family (24:22–29:05)

• On “Russell Wilson is corny” critique:
  • Ciara: “Why would I even respond to that? … He's the most amazing human being you could know, the smartest, most intelligent Black man that I have ever known.” (24:32)
• The beauty of a blended family and not engaging in negativity.
  • “There’s beauty in love. … is the child being loved, how they should be loved. That’s all that matters.” (28:10)

11. Black Community, Sisterhood & Collective Uplift (35:09–38:26)

• On Black women’s evolution in entertainment and the need for community support.
  • Ciara: “The more we can support each other, the better we will be… let’s lift each other up, like, in our big moments. Let's celebrate.” (37:39)

12. The Independent Route: Business Insights (46:46–56:51)

• Walking out of a label meeting with her masters for free as a signal of the industry's disbelief—and her faith in herself.
  • “That alone lets you know how much they didn't believe... But it was the best thing that could have happened.” (50:51)
  • Breakdown of royalty splits, the pitfalls of traditional contracts, the value of self-management and lean teams.
  • “I love something that would never love me back how I love it. Damn music will never give me back what I give to it.” (54:30)

13. Navigating the Music Industry, Legacy & Mentorship (57:43–63:13)

• Surviving label changes, leveraging industry relationships, and mentors (shoutouts to Monty Olsen).
• “I'm not doing anything differently than I was doing when I was signed. The difference is just I own my stuff.” (60:46)
• Shoutouts to collaborators on the new album: Lil Baby, Tyga, Frida, Lotto, Diamond Platnumz, Rob 49, Bossman DLo, Molly, Oxlade, et al.

14. Motherhood, Family, and Work-Life Balance (62:23–74:41)

• Balancing motherhood and stardom; support from Russell Wilson.
  • “I've never had to split the two, because that just wouldn't make sense for me where I am right now.” (67:14)
• On motherhood’s impact on definition of success:
  • “Being a mom puts the P in purpose for me. … I think oftentimes in our world, you're constantly chasing success that you forget to live.” (72:58, 73:23)
• Insights and jokes on parenting, discipline, cooking, and plans for more children.

15. Relationships, Friends, and Support Systems (76:31–79:56)

• Responding to the public viewing her relationship as “goals.”
  • “I think it's sweet... we're just like everybody else trying to figure out life… but we do have each other. It's a blessing.” (76:39)
• Maintaining friendships through public divorces (Lala, Kim Kardashian) and supporting each other through ups and downs.

16. Music, BET, and Industry Frustrations (80:06–83:07)

• On being left out of the BET 106 & Park tribute:
  • “Nobody even reached out. … Y’all need to go talk to BET, that’s what needs to happen.” (80:24, 80:58)
  • Reflects on her very first TV performance and the difference in artist development then vs. now.

17. Rihanna, Past Beef, and Reconciliation (83:09–85:38)

• Ciara describes a friendly, supportive interaction with Rihanna at the Met Gala; both mothers, supporting each other's success.
  • “It was the best energy, you know? And Cece got love for Riri.” (83:58)
  • Notes the public Twitter exchanges of the past, but emphasizes growth: “We’re women... like, grown.”

18. At Her Core: The Real Ciara (85:45–86:33)

• Charlamagne: “If you strip away all the titles… who is Ciara at her core today?”
  • Ciara: “She a boss… a woman of ambition on a mission… I'm a woman that loves to serve. I love to give and I love to live.” (85:53, 86:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That's crazy. Well, but crickets are chirping loud, ain't they? Period.” - Ciara (06:11), referencing her past treatment in the media.
• ”There's nothing better than owning your masters, right? … There's nothing better than ownership.” - Ciara (11:51)
• “No matter how successful you are, you’re still going to hear someone say no or you can’t.” - Ciara (15:01)
• “I love something that would never love me back how I love it. Damn music will never give me back what I give to it.” - Ciara (54:30)
• On Russell Wilson: “He is the most amazing human being you could know, the smartest, most intelligent Black man that I have ever known.” - Ciara (24:32)
• “Do I want to say stuff sometimes? Absolutely. But is it worth it? No.... you ain't gotta respond. People respond for you.” - Ciara (26:25, 27:50)
• “Being a mom puts the P in purpose for me… you’re constantly chasing success that you forget to live.” - Ciara (72:58, 73:23)
• “I'm a woman that loves to serve. I love to give and I love to live.” - Ciara (86:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:19 - Ciara joins, banter and stories about meeting DJ Envy’s daughters
• 06:11 - The “crickets” joke; Ciara’s clapback
• 11:41 - Insight on going independent, ownership, and running her own career
• 14:07 - Confronting the label CEO after “Level Up”
• 18:41 - Stories behind “Promise” and “Level Up”
• 24:32 - Defending Russell Wilson’s character
• 28:10 - On blended families and step-parenting
• 37:39 - On communal uplift and supporting Black women
• 46:51 - Walking out of the label deal with her masters
• 54:30 - The challenges of the music industry and why she craves independence
• 60:46 - Differences between being signed and independent: “I own my stuff.”
• 72:58 - How motherhood has changed her life’s purpose and definition of success
• 80:24 - BET tribute exclusion and her first live TV performance
• 83:58 - Reconciling with Rihanna at the Met Gala
• 85:53 - Who is Ciara at her core? (“She a boss…”)

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

This interview’s tone is playful, candid, and empowering, oscillating between deep honesty and lighthearted sisterhood. Ciara’s journey, especially her entrepreneurial pivot and focus on family, is presented as an inspiring blueprint for ownership, legacy, and self-actualization. The conversation is rich with laughs, lessons, and moments of personal triumph, making it a must-listen for fans and anyone interested in the intersections of music, motherhood, and ambition.

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Transcript

[Interviewer]

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[DJ Envy]

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[John Hope Bryant]

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[Shock Incarceration Host]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Ciara]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Every day I wake up.

[Shock Incarceration Host]

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[Ciara]

Are y' all finished or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess. Hilarious Charlamagne, the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa is here as well, and we got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good morning.

[Ciara]

What's up, y'? All?

[DJ Envy]

Before we start, I just gotta. My daughter sent a message to you. Charlamagne.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What was the message?

[DJ Envy]

So the other day, my daughters were dancing and they. My. My youngest one sent me a text that said, I met Sierra. She spelled it S I E R A. And I was like, I don't know who that is. I said, you mean the singer, dancer, Sierra? She was like, yes. I said, go tell them that you. That my dad knows you. So she went, and you were very nice, and she danced for you and everything.

[Ciara]

Oh, my God.

[DJ Envy]

But she came back with a message. She was like, dad, Sierra said, make sure that you and Charlamagne are very nice to her when she comes on the show. And then she says, why are you and Charlamagne not nice to her?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, God.

[DJ Envy]

And I was like, that was so long.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So now you got problems in your household.

[Ciara]

Let me tell you, your daughter is insane. Both you have two daughters, am I right? Yes.

[DJ Envy]

You go to your dancer.

[Ciara]

They are incredibly dancing and gifted.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, thank you.

[Ciara]

Like, I'm telling you right now, like, I mean, this. I know something special when I see it. Them little girls are special. And everyone listening. Remember what I said to you, Those little. I'm telling you, it's insane. Like, my daughter Cena was there watching them, and I love that she was seeing a girl that looked like her. Watching your daughters do what they were doing. And I think they hadn't been doing it for too long.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Two years or no, if it was salsa in their Dominican.

[Ciara]

It's in their blood. It's in their DNA. No, they were doing gymnastics and they had two different styles of dancing. They both showed us their shows. They were preparing for some performance.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. For the next season. I haven't seen their dances yet. Cause I want to see it the first time it.

[Ciara]

Oh, no, no. You got something special going on.

[DJ Envy]

They get busy.

[Ciara]

Telling you right now, they get busy. So it was beautiful to see.

[DJ Envy]

You know what? I love seeing it. Just because when I go on these dance competitions, it's very rarely black fathers or black kids dancing. Very rarely fathers. So when they get on stage and they get busy, like, they practice all day long, that's all they do. And they get busy. And it's so crazy to see people saying, like, pointing at them and them winning. Cause that's. That's my best thing. The DJing in. This is cool. But going to see them dance is, like, special. Thank you so much.

[Ciara]

No, I literally went home and told Russ, I said, babe, these girls, because we're new to New York, so I'm trying to figure out the places for our kids to, you know, get active and do what they love doing. And I'm like, that was so powerful to see. And especially because again, the girls look. My daughter look. They look like my daughter. And she gets to see that. So, yeah, you should be proud.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Ciara]

But don't be coming in crazy at me like your daughter sitting on. I'm ready for whatever are we mean to you? What?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean, what are you dumb?

[Ciara]

Listen, I'm really asking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't remember.

[Ciara]

That was a good question. Listen, you know what? When you got your energy in a certain place, you can't remember everything crazy that someone does to you or says about you. But I definitely would always remember Charlamagne along the way in my journey, coming up as an artist. But, you know, Charlamagne was being Charlamagne.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So I was on drugs.

[DJ Envy]

That's a lie. You was not on damn drugs.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You was just ugly back then. And don't try to act like that. No, that was not drugs.

[Ciara]

That was you.

[DJ Envy]

I went back down some of the pipeline. And we won't say it, but I think you owe her an apology. Cause you was crazy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You said you went down Diddy's pipeline and what happened?

[DJ Envy]

I didn't say.

[Ciara]

Wait, what?

[Charlamagne tha God]

What did you say?

[DJ Envy]

I didn't say nothing.

[Ciara]

Y' all look crazy.

[DJ Envy]

What did you say? Diddy didn't come up. I didn't say nothing about Diddy's pipeline.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Listen, I have. If I. If I did do anything that. That really offended you and hurt you, hurt you in any way, Sierra, I do apologize sincerely, but I really. I'm not even joking. I really don't remember everything. I only remember one thing. I really.

[Ciara]

Do you remember one thing which you want to say the one thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It was what I used to say. Rihanna had the navy, Beyonce had to beehive, and Sierra had the crickets.

[Ciara]

Oh, my.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's the only thing I personally remember.

[Ciara]

That's crazy. Well, but crickets are chirping loud, ain't they? Period.

[Lauren LaRosa]

They sure are.

[Ciara]

Still here. We still here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Well, how are you feeling?

[Ciara]

I'm feeling amazing. I'm feeling. Feeling real blessed. Feeling real blessed. Feeling excited. This is release week, so it's kind of. It's crazy. I've been doing it independently, so it's a beast. Like I'm literally non stop. I'm like, I'm out here grinding like it's the 2000s right now. So it's just. It's crazy. I really feel excited, though. I'm ready to get this project out and I'm happy to be here.

[DJ Envy]

How was your move to New York?

[Ciara]

It's Amazing. You know, it's different when you come to New York. You know, it's one thing to come as a performer, but to come here, you know, to live, like, it's a whole different, like feeling like it's a whole different perspective. And then also seeing New York through our kids eyes, it's really cool, you know? You know, Sienna was. We were preparing the clothes that we were packing and Sienna had this really fancy pink outfit. And she goes, I said, cece, mama, that's a lot going on. She's like, mom, we going to New York, you know, like, she's. She ready. She like, what we doing? You know, but to be able to be here with our family, obviously football is the reason why we're here. It's exciting, you know, but it's. New York feels more calm from this perspective because I think if like you're a visitor, like New York is like bright lights, all this. But now it's like, okay, wait, how are we going? How are we going to survive? What are we going to be doing? Like, how are we going to live? Like, hold the perspective. But I love it. We love our date nights here, the food. They say you'll never have enough food in a lifetime eating in New York. So I've been loving the restaurant options. There's so many. I didn't realize how much community that has grown. The community, the communities that are creative have grown here. Like with playgrounds and stuff. There's so many playgrounds. But you only see that because now I have kids, so I see it differently. So I'm just excited. And everything you needed, you want to find is right here. The beauty, supplies, like everything is all here. So I'm excited.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I will say it's calm now until the Giants start losing.

[DJ Envy]

Shut up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's why I feel like Russell deserves, like, seriously, the Giants are going to be terrible.

[Ciara]

No, they're not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's not going to be his fault.

[Ciara]

Let me tell you. No, no, no, no. Let me tell you right now. I love you dearly, but you cannot look at me and tell me that the team my husband's going to be on is going to be terrible. I'm just not going to allow that. You can feel what you want to feel, though. It's all.

[DJ Envy]

Cowboys are trash.

[Ciara]

I understand. Listen, I understand, you know, the history that franchises, they evolve and they go through things, but we gonna speak life over here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think he's gonna have a great season. The Giants, though.

[Ciara]

Nah, nah, Giants. It's all right. You can feel how you feel but it's gonna be great.

[DJ Envy]

We're gonna be good.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Is there a part of you that ever wants him to retire?

[Ciara]

No, I, I want for him to do it when he wants to do it, but I think he still has a great story to tell. You know, he's been so fortunate to, you know, done all that he's done and, you know, defy many odds. And so I think he's still got a lot more amazing football left in him. And so I'm just excited, you know, to support him. But whenever he wants to do that, you know, it's where it's organized chaos in our house, you know, because his world goes, my world goes. So it's, it's like a really, like crafting of schedules to make everything like, you know, work and make sense. But we're having fun right now and I, I really love football too, so I enjoy it. I enjoy watching him do his thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, sometimes, sometimes people say, like, you know, Ciara has more headlines for her relationship than her music. Does that bother you or do you just lean into.

[Ciara]

No, I think people are entitled to what they feel. I mean, that's up to you and what you want to feel. But I'm out here living, you know, I'm living my life and I, I mean, a part of living in front of the world is people. You're going to be open to people having opinions, but that's all right. You're entitled to it, you know, so I don't really worry about those things because I am doing a lot. I am a mom, I am a wife, I am an entrepreneur, I am an artist. So you're going to say many things about me and that's all good, you know.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So you have been outside. It's been great seeing you in these spaces where you dancing. God grew up to you dancing. And that's the thing. You have not aged a bit, by the way.

[Ciara]

But thank you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You have really been like doing your thing when it comes to promoting Cece. Right, so let's get into the act album.

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The name of it is called Cece and that's who you are.

[Ciara]

That's my nickname.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's personal to you. Right, so in this album we're going to be getting an inside look on.

[Ciara]

Yeah. So it's really more so just my, my token of appreciation, you know, it's been 21 years since my first album, you know, and so to be sitting here with the same passion and joy that I had as a little girl growing up starting off my career and to still be here with opportunity and to still be, you know, fortunate to have some of the best fans in the world. You know, people see me in the streets, they say, well, hey, cece, I'd be like, hey, girl. But it feels real personal when someone calls you by your nickname. And my fans have done that. And honestly, like I said, doing independently, I would not be here if it wasn't for my fans. I would not be here if I didn't have the love and support that I've had over the years. And so it's just really a token of appreciation from me to my fans to give them this project, but also, again, tying it back to Cece, because that's what they call me. So it's real personal for me, but it really is, like, it's an attitude of gratitude. Like, it's not easy to, you know, to stand tall and to be still going at this rate and to have the level of support that I've had is like, it's just such a blessing, you know? So you can't listen to the Charlemagne of the world. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Because if you do, then you won't. You know what I'm saying? You won't level up. Right? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So.

[DJ Envy]

But do you like the independent route? Because everything goes on you now. It's not. I love it longer labels no longer label pushing the record. You got to go out there, kiss baby, shake hands. You got to do all that.

[Ciara]

No, it's amazing. Listen, now it's a grind. Like I said, I'm grinding like it's a 2000. Like we outside, like, I go from the stage to the classroom to the football field to support Russ, to be here this morning with you guys. And then I hit my son's teacher up, talk about his Spanish exam thing he has to do. Like, it's nonstop. But I. I love the independent route because one is nothing better than owning your masters, right? There's nothing better than ownership. Like, you think about the math of what it is for us as artists. It is hard to do the traditional route for a long time. To me, it's not sustainable for long term purposes. So mathematically it's definitely much better. But I love that when I have an idea, I can activate on it when I want to, how I want to, and I may not get it right. I may swing, I may fail, but I like my batting average, you know, being able to do it my way. And I've been very fortunate that over the years, even when I was signed to majors, all my big moments, I was like, this is the moment. Like, I've always been that voice. I've always betted on myself, but now I get to reap my full benefits of when I do take that big risk and make that big bet. So I like it this way. It's like I said, it's not easy, but it's. It's a good feeling that I feel empowered, like, more than ever in my life. And also, too, you know, like, where there's sync opportunities. Like, Level up is a song that keeps on giving. It's almost three times platinum. I don't know how many billion streams of that song alone. I say it's a gift that keeps on giving because I get these unique sync opportunities that just don't stop. And I don't have to go through these channels for approval. I don't have to, like, get someone's like, you know, is this okay? Is it not? It's like, no, I like it. I want to do it. Let's do it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Ciara]

You know, and so it's. It's a great feeling.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I just want to remind you, too, I was on drugs and alcohol and retarded and a little bit ugly, like Jess said. I just want to keep stressing that.

[Ciara]

He might have sipped a little something this morning, you know, you coming in hot.

[Interviewer]

I saw this story that you told in Forbes about the CEO from the label that you left to become independent, who you didn't really feel. He wasn't really caring for you. You were trying to drop music. Has that CEO ever reached out to you now that you. The story's out there, and it's the success after leaving the label and been like, I apologize.

[Ciara]

So I ran into him shortly after Level up, like, took off.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, that was a song.

[Ciara]

Level up song. It was Level Up. And, you know, I ran into him shortly after, and he was lost for words. And it's funny, because I almost didn't recognize him. Like, I was so, like, in my zone. I didn't even realize who I was looking at because my period that I met with him was short. Like, he was a new CEO that just come in, you know, and he was like, you know, trying to put the plans together. And I had to talk with him, share my idea, see if he's gonna like it, like, try to convince him. And he literally looked at me like. And I was like, okay. And that motivated me. So when I saw him. His face wasn't the most familiar for me because I was already like, you know, I was where I was at, you know, mentally. But he was lost for words. So that said a lot, you know.

[Interviewer]

But it was crazy because you were Sierra at that point. Like, even like that, that's like such a sign. Sign of disrespect, like.

[Ciara]

Yeah. You know, that happens, though. You know, the music industry is, you know, is. Is not. It's not cut for the week, you know, and that's what comes with it, right? You're going to be told no. I've been told no a lot more. A lot of times. You know, I'm not gonna say not a lot more than yes, but at one point especially, you know, you hear a lot of no's, but it motivates you. And no matter how successful you are, you're still going to hear someone say no or you can't. Like people. That's just what comes with it. I don't know one great that I have admired that hasn't been told they can't or hasn't been chopped down by the world or hasn't been said like, you know, like they can't. I don't know one great that hasn't experienced that. So if you think about it, it's just like the path to success. Like, you're going to be told no along the way. You're going to be told you can't. You know, that's why you have game changers that make things become possible that they said weren't because you believe in yourself. So it all comes back to. To me simply believing in you. And we all have to find that, like, within ourselves. Like, whatever path you're on, you all have to tap into that. No matter how successful or you find your way, we all can relate to that.

[DJ Envy]

You feel like you slept on because of that. Like, that people say no or they don't believe right away or you have to fight through. Do you feel like they always sleep on?

[Ciara]

Cece? You know, I think. Listen, would I say there's times. Yeah, but I don't really worry about that. You know, I just. I like what I've been doing and what I'm doing, and I'm happy with that. The most important for me, most important thing for me is that when it's all said and done, like, do I have my sanity? Like, do I know who I am? Like, you know, I think sometimes you can be chasing a certain level of success and you may get there. You may not get there, but, like, what is your definition of success? What is your definition of wealth? Mine is health. Mine is my joy. Mine is my sanity. Mine is, like, you know, I like living life in the most, least chaotic way possible. Like, those are different success metrics for me. So, you know, all I can do is, you know, do my best, you know, and I can always be proud of that, you know?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, you had to adapt and survive a lot of different areas of music. You had the R and B and crunken B and pop records and dance records. What did you learn about yourself each time you had to adapt?

[Ciara]

That I can adapt. I. I learned that. You know, listen, I'm built for it, you know, I know I'm walking in my purpose. I think my purpose is greater than music, you know, And I do feel like over time, I'm starting to really find it even more, you know, or not find, but just, like, learn more. Like, God, why am I here? Like, even through our why not you foundation, like, being able to impact so many lives, being able to raise millions of dollars to, you know, save lives, and, you know, be on that journey with Russ, like, that's a gift. Like, that's a blessing. Like, why did God give me, out of the billions of girls in the world, this position? Right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Your prayer.

[Ciara]

So you said what now? Yes, I do pray. That's right. No, but you ain't lying. I do. Y' all know I'm about to pray. I'm about praying, shall I say? But, yeah, I know. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do you think your biggest reinvention was, like, the one that, like, truly shifted how people saw Sierra?

[Ciara]

My biggest. Well, obviously, the beginning was the beginning, but I think Goodies was such a significant moment for me to step out into the world so boldly, you know? And that song was obviously my first song, and it went number one, you know, for eight weeks long, which is a blessing. Obviously, the second album was significant for me, too, with the evolution. Right. What I loved about that moment, I was just telling someone the other day, is that I had a song, the song promise. And I remember that time the CEO was like, this is the worst R B record. What? Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And they always been hating on you.

[Ciara]

Actually. You may be thinking about something. I'll get to it. But I remember him saying that to me, and I'm like, okay, you're gonna see. So Polo produced that record, and we actually leaked the record, and the record was a hit record. And that week I came out, it was Eminem, Gwen Stefani, and it was A crazy week. And I had my first number one album. So I remember that moment. And just like, again, betting on myself. And that was a special moment. If I fast forward to. I think a really special moment was Level up for me because I again was entering my chapter of ownership. But I remember sitting in an office and someone questioned me and they were like, how are you going to stay young? How are you going to stay relevant? How are you going to do? And it was almost like they were questioning me, like, with my life also as a mom, you know, and all these different things. And I was pregnant as ever. When I was recording Level up with my friend Teron, we were writing that record and it was produced by JR Wrote them. And I'm just like, man, it's a gift when you can dance, right? The power of dance to me is kind of ageless. So I feel so gifted that I can do it. But I knew Level up was going to be a game changer. And again, I was betting on myself. And then fast forward to literally within 48 hours. I'd never seen anything like it. All these videos were uploaded with people redoing the performance. In my video, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, period. Yeah. And so you fast forward to. It's like at that point, almost, I don't know, 18 years or so. No, maybe like 16 years since the beginning for me at that point. And to, like, see that love, like. Like, it was all new for me was like, okay, we onto something. Like, let's stay the course. You know what I'm saying? So I think that was another big moment for me. And I think I can't wait for you guys to hear this project.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, well, first of all, I already got two favorite songs. Be right back and run it up.

[Ciara]

Let's go, girl. Let's go.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Are we getting any visuals? Are we getting any?

[Ciara]

I'm excited because in this visual, first of all, I know I'm from the atl, but, you know, I jumped in my west coast bag real heavy with this record. It's my song Dance of Me featuring Tyga. And I had an amazing time on set. And then I got really. We got blessed. Or I could say I got blessed to live out one of my dancing dreams. Like, this is. This may sound random to some, but my boy Russell Westbrook joined me. He be saucing. So we got together. And, you know, because he always goes viral with his dance. Yeah, the dances. And I'm like, babe, I told wrestling babe, can you get the other Russ you know, and so Russ hit up. Russ. We got the group chat going, and then he jumped in and he was like, just amazing. And so I'm excited for this moment because, again, I've always wanted to do this, but I mean, I've never danced the way I'm dancing in this visual. So. Talk about reinventing. I really love that I challenge myself to be a little, like, out of my normal comfort zone. And I'm. I mean, we walk in and everything in this video, so I'm excited about that. And then there's a lot of other cool visuals. And I have visualizers, as they call them, that will go along with the project. And then I want to stay focused on the moment of today because it is release day. But the deluxe album, if anyone has already pre saved or pre downloaded the album and purchased this album, you automatically get the deluxe version on the 25th. And there is this song called Low featuring Diamond Platinums that I want to play you guys a video before I leave out of here if I can. Yes. It's rough, but I want to show you. I'll show you guys both videos, but I'm excited about this. Diamond Platinum Platinums is from Africa. From Tanzania, to be exact.

[DJ Envy]

He was supposed to come last week, right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yep.

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Get up here.

[Ciara]

But he is, like, so dope. And the vibes are just like, I'm just so happy. And I do feel like you will feel growth for me as an artist on this project.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So, yeah, just to see the excitement in your face when you talk about your music. Like, you. Have you ever had a moment, right, where you're. When somebody plays something for you, but even the making of this album, right? And you were like, eh, no, yeah, no, we.

[Ciara]

We have those moments. But it's funny because you know how you hear artists say, like, they have hundreds of records. I don't record tons of records. I've never done that. I've always been very intentional about the songs that I've written or record for my records. So I don't have a lot of leftover records, but if I start a record, I'm not feeling it. I'll just be like, eh, like, nah. You know? And sometimes you do get songs where you're like, that's not for me. So, yes. Do I have those moments. But I will say, all in all, I'm lucky that I get to write on a lot of my records. So, you know, if I'm not feeling the vibes, I'm just gonna cut it short, you know?

[Lauren LaRosa]

But yeah, do you preview your music for hubby or your husband?

[Ciara]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay.

[Ciara]

He knows and sees everything. Like, even when I'm, like, in the process of thinking about stuff. The thing about Russ that I don't think people know is, like, he obviously isn't. He's amazing on the field, but his creative mind is, like, insane. Like, he actually has really incredible ideas that he'll throw my way. And, like, he's in it with me, which is so fun.

[DJ Envy]

Russ don't seem like a dancer to me. It don't seem like.

[Ciara]

He doesn't seem like he danced. Listen, I say he dances really nicely in the pocket.

[DJ Envy]

Okay?

[Ciara]

You know what I'm saying? But he actually has a nice little groove. It was funny because the other night, him and all the QBs, he had invited the fellas to come out the QB room to come out, and they were all jamming, and Jameis was like, russ, I didn't know you had that in you. Like, you. But he can sauce a little bit, you know, it's cute.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Question. And this is not how I feel, so don't take no. When you hear people say he's so.

[Ciara]

Funny because he'd be over there waiting.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like, just wait.

[Ciara]

No, not to be real. What you want to ask.

[Charlamagne tha God]

People say Russell Wilson is corny. What's your honest reaction?

[Ciara]

Oh, my gosh. I don't have to even reply to that because, you know, like that. Why would I even respond to that? You know what I'm saying? Like, I know what I know, and that's all that matters. But he's one of them. He is the most amazing human being you could know. The smartest, most intelligent black man that I have ever known. You know? And when you. What you see with him is really who he is, you know? And so it's beautiful. It's different, you know? But I don't.

[DJ Envy]

Does it bother him? Does it bother him? Because I feel like he gets it because he takes care of his.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And we've had conversations up here.

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

As men saying, like, I don't understand why he's be. Why he gets called a simp.

[Ciara]

Well, I think it depends on who's the man saying it. No, no, we ain't gonna call no names.

[DJ Envy]

He's like, what kind of guy is saying it?

[Ciara]

I'm not gonna go down a specific lane because I don't wanna. I'm just saying, who's the man saying it? Right? It's like someone saying a person doesn't love someone, but have you ever loved someone? Right. Have you ever been loved? Right. So sometimes people to me speak out of pocket because they just don't know. So for me is. Versus being mad about it. Just like, God bless them, you know? Like, you know, God bless them, you know, I'm saying, like, so.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, because it's obviously something that they're lacking.

[Ciara]

It's just, you know, every again, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it's like, you don't. We don't have to live. I don't have to live my life to prove anything to anybody. Right. And so I think, you know, sometimes too, people have a perspective just because of how they see life. And that just may be their way. But you know, to me, too bad for them if they want to live life a certain way and love people a certain way.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right?

[Ciara]

Too bad for them.

[DJ Envy]

The Atlanta never wants to come out of you. Like, one time, like, the Atlanta just say, yo, suck my from the back like that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

First of all, that's New York in Atlanta. That's a good time.

[Ciara]

Listen, listen, listen. Oh, my gosh, you are silly. Let me tell you. Do I want to say stuff sometimes? Absolutely. But is it worth it? No. What Michelle say when they go low, we go take it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

To hell with them too, though.

[Ciara]

Yeah, but is it really worth the breath like, you think? I think about how many people I've seen come and I've seen go when I leave it there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So. So you're telling me Sierra got a prayer, but she don't got a curse?

[Ciara]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Curse somebody out.

[Ciara]

Like, dude, she don't got a curse. No. But will she curse? Yeah, yeah. You know, pull up on me a certain way, I might pop out. But no, no, no, no, no. Honestly, I don't know, man. I'm. I. I don't know. I just. Or how I'm trying to live my life. It doesn't have space for, like, a negativity. It just doesn't. Like, you cannot, like, if you're trying to go to a certain height and climb certain mountains, like, that stuff is like, down there. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, I. I cannot, if I choose to entertain those things. And I'm taking away time for myself, going where I really want to get to. Like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

So why would I do it? And then also wisdom has showed me, like, you ain't gotta respond. People respond for you. Like, just watch those that have things to say about you, just watch it. Like, they will respond. They'll respond for you.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Ciara]

They'll do it to themselves. You know what I'm saying?

[Interviewer]

I was gonna say, I saw that a lot. People responding for you and taking up for you guys. When people were having a debate about Russ being a stepdad or not, like, early on, and people were like, why is that an issue? Like, why. Why is their family unit an issue for you? A lot of people had that conversation. And you stay quiet the whole time. You handle that.

[Ciara]

Yeah. You ain't gotta talk about that. You know, there's beauty in love. It all comes back to love. I think people, when they talk about that type of stuff, they forget about what matters the most in the situation. It's the child. Right. It's not about the adult conversation of it all. It's is the child being loved, how they should be loved. That's all that matters. Right? And I think that obviously, I know, like, the beauty in a blended family. Right. There's no greater feeling than my kids all feeling together and waking up and feeling love the same. All of them feeling love the same. That is a blessing, you know, so. And I think that every child deserves to feel, you know, that kind of love that I get to see my kids have, you know? And so, you know, I think when things are new to people, it just creates great conversation. But sometimes conversation is great, you know, because sometimes conversation also opens up things for people to.

[DJ Envy]

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[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing, murdered Black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting Black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tamika never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One Podcast, one Mission. Save our Girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered Black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ciara]

A foot washed up, a shoe with.

[DJ Envy]

Some bones in it.

[Ciara]

They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good.

[Shock Incarceration Host]

From the that not a whole lot was salvageable.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.

[DJ Envy]

He never thought he was going to get caught and I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like ah, gotcha.

[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at othram, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brown Ambition Host]

Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part. When you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan. Starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months, you can have this much credit card debt. And it weighs on you. It's really easy to just, like, stick your head in the sand.

[Ciara]

It's nice and dark in the sand.

[Brown Ambition Host]

Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it's make it even worse. For more judgment, free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Ciara]

Really talk about things that they probably wouldn't talk about, right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

You know, maybe like I said at my time when I was a single mom, I think a lot of women were able to see my journey to be able to be like, you know, just me finding my way as a woman, right? And I thank God that he's blessed me with this special love that I have. But I think there's like, again, it goes back to, like, why do I have this platform, right? It's like, if I can inspire someone in any kind of way, like, that, to me, is success. Right? And so I think oftentimes you don't know what that's like until you're in that position, right? And you're like, oh, this is my life. Like, okay, let me figure this out. But I mean, it's a gift when, you know, I think women can know, like, life doesn't stop at a situation for you, right? You know, life can evolve and grow how you want it to. And as it relates to families and men, right? There's a difference between boys and men, okay? And to me, men love a certain way. They. They have a certain standard of how they love and choose to love and do things, you know? And I feel blessed that when I look at my husband, that standard is like, it's top tier, right? It's like my dad's love, right? That's the truest love I've known from a man, you know? And so to see that is such a blessing. But I love that my kids, when they look up at each other and, you know, future al. Him. Him and Amora are like our baby girl. Like, he's the sweetest with her, Sienna. And just how, when and how they all interact with each other is love. That's all that matters, right? So conversation is good, though sometimes it opens up things and hopefully it helps others.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I would like you to say that is the most perfect ponytail I've ever seen.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Like, Dr. Strange cape, you know, Dr.

[Ciara]

Strange.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Kate moves with him.

[Ciara]

No I'm Dr. Strange. Cave. What is that? Dr. Strange. What is that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Marvel.

[Ciara]

Okay. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Had a life of its own. So it's like certain times when you.

[Ciara]

Talk, it's in its own words.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's like it's moving with your emotions.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's not stiff. That means.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It'S unbelievable. But I want to ask you, you said something earlier that made me think about something. Do you think black women in entertainment are allowed to evolve gracefully, or do we only celebrate them when they're, like, young and messy?

[Ciara]

No, man. I think. Do I think people, like, when people are sad? Yeah. But I think about, like, you know, women that are rocking it, like, think, you know, people do celebrate you. You know, I think as a community, though, you know, just outside of artistry, I do think that the more we can support each other, the better we will be. And I think historically, because of what we've been through, like, historically, as a culture, as a race, you're conditioned to go, my, my, my. You're conditioned to, like, you don't want to share so much. And what I've noticed in my communities of friends, sometimes that don't look like me, they will call me and be like, hey, Sierra, do you need help with. How can I help you? Right. That's a very common question I get asked, you know, and I feel blessed to have the friends that I do. And it makes me want to do that for people that look like me, because we need that. Like, it's a real thing. Like, think about just, like, why we always be fighting crazy in our communities. Like, we have more fights, I think, you know, and again, I could be wrong, but just the culture of us, like, we got. We got that rah, rah. It's just in us. And I think there's something about history that's predispositioned us that way, where it's like, how do we evolve, like, together? Like, how do we eat together? Right? Like, it's a real thing. Like, my. I feel very blessed to have the friend circles that I do. And, like, you know, it's like Jewish community, like, the way that they, like, rock with each other is crazy amazing. Like, the Latino communities, like, the way they rock is, like, beautiful. Like, by the way, I'm Lexican. Like, I'm learning my Spanish. So I say I'm like, black and Mexican. I like my Spanish.

[Lauren LaRosa]

My daughter is black skinned. It's her birthday. Yeah.

[Ciara]

Come on. Okay. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right. Hola. Okay. Charlemagne is. No, that was a curse.

[DJ Envy]

That was a curse.

[Ciara]

No, but you think about that love, right? Like, it's a community thing that I think we as a whole have to continue to evolve and grow together with. Like, let's lift each other up, like, in our big moments. Like, let's celebrate. Like, celebrate each other. Let's not even, like, don't worry about. You know, I think sometimes you can get, like, a little distracted if you don't feel like things are moving at the pace you want them to. But it's like, celebrate the next one. Like, your time's gonna come. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, that perspective, that's a real thing. And I do think our culture and the community of us, we're just kind of. We were kind of predispositioned to, like, bark at each other and fight. And, like, sometimes it's hard to, like, celebrate. But, like, the more we can do that together, the more we win.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, the only reason I asked, because you said, I don't know if it was the CEO or somebody told you, how do you stay young? And I'm like, why do you have to stay young?

[Ciara]

Yeah. No, no, it's. Yeah. No, it's crazy. But the thing is, is, you know, you got to grow. You gotta evolve, right? And you go with your times. But it was very honestly, like, I never wanted to, like, walk out of a meeting in my career. Wow. And I felt like, yo, why you coming at me like that? And then my thing is, too. It's like, what you asked me earlier is, like, why can't she be a mom, a wife, and still be great at what she does? Like, I'm a working mom. Like, that's just simple, like, the everyday working mom in the world. My job isn't being an entertainer, but I'm a working mom. And all of us are trying to figure that this out. Okay? I don't like cursing, but, you know, when I get passion, I gotta, you know. You know. So, like, that's a real thing. It's like, why y'? All? Why are you questioning me on, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, why are you even coming at me like that? And then, just for what it's worth, like, you know, to your point, like, legacy is what legacy is. You can never erase my legacy. Like, never. Like, that's just facts. So, like, you can't take that from me. So don't come at me crazy like, I'm somebody that I'm not. Like, that's how I felt in that moment, I'm like, hold up. Who are you talking to? You know what I'm saying? Like, that was kind of crazy to me, but it was actually, you know, she came around to me later, you know, and she spoke, you know, kind words, and that was a real interesting place to be in. But people, we do get questioned. I think sometimes as women, you get questioned even more.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

You know, so. Yeah, you got a lot of titles.

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna say. You got a lot of titles. You gotta. You gotta add matchmaker to titles.

[Ciara]

Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's where I was going. Yes.

[DJ Envy]

Now, Lauren, right here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, Lord, not there.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who did see Eric hook up to? Who's the matchmaking?

[DJ Envy]

Donovan Mitchell.

[Ciara]

Okay, wait, listen. Okay, so wait. Okay. Norms and dk, that's family to us. Like, DK is like a brother to both Russ and I. You guys know, Normani is like a sister to me. So we can say proudly that, you know, we. We just knew. Let's leave these two at the table and let them do their thing. Let's make sure these two get to the table so then we can let them do that.

[DJ Envy]

That was one.

[Ciara]

Okay, so check. So Coco and Donovan, firstly, shout out to them. And I love Coco. She is so sweet and so funny, that girl, and so talented. But actually, Russ and Donovan were doing their thing. Like, I gotta give the fellas their props because they were talking about, like, Russ knew about Donovan's plans for a while. And, you know, Russ actually has. He has a. What do you call it? Like, a luxury company that he's building where you help, like, book travel and all that kind of stuff. Luxury travel company and called West East Lux. But anyways, Donovan was talking about his game plan, and then him and Russ linked up. And then, like, it was a beautiful, you know, moment that came together. But again, Donovan led. So we gotta shout out Donovan for leading. That was all him wanting to make the best plan for his girl. And the fellas linked up.

[Interviewer]

Does his company find the location?

[Ciara]

Yeah, so they helped find the location and everything. And then fast forward, Donovan ain't tagged the company. No, no, we ain't got it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, I just made that up.

[Ciara]

That was so silly.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[DJ Envy]

So how many of you?

[Ciara]

So random. No, wait, guys, wait, wait, wait. Donovan actually did show love, though. Like, he reposted, you know, the fellas. But anyways, it's not about that, though. It's the moment is, you know, beautiful. So amazing, and I'm so happy for them. And Coco is my girl. And they. They call we FaceTime. And her ring was blinging, and it's awesome. So we're so happy for them. But we do love. We do love matching people, though.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Ciara]

Like, we're really big on. Like, I'm always like, if somebody be like, they're single, I'm like, so. Okay, let me learn a little bit more about you. Like, what you. What do you hope for?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

And then my brain starts working, and then we're just fortunate to have, like, amazing friends within their souls. And we run across a lot of people that we can be like, maybe y', all, too, should, like, link up. So we like doing that kind of stuff.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What about Tracee Ellis Ross? That should be the next person that y' all hook up, because she had just sat down and she has told somebody that she is single. She don't want to be single forever. But she said her friend Obama, she had broke up with somebody, and she saw Obama.

[DJ Envy]

Why are you breathing so hard?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because I gotta get this out.

[Ciara]

Okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She had walked past Obama, and she was like, yeah, well, you know, I broke up with such and such. He was like, I could have told you that, you know? So I think that's bad because he was a bad friend on that part. But you can help Tracee Ellis Ross.

[Ciara]

You know what? I love Tracy. I love her. She is amazing, though. Like, beautiful. She is like, what the heck? Like, talk about, like, black don't crack.

[DJ Envy]

Yep.

[Ciara]

Like, she's amazing. You know, that's my girl. I'll just leave it at that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's an easy one.

[Interviewer]

What about Jim Jones and Chrissy? Y' all didn't hook them up, but.

[Ciara]

You pushing for the wedding date, like.

[Interviewer]

Where is that at?

[Ciara]

Y' all done double dated with her. She's so passionate in the moment. Cause I haven't watched, you know, those shows in a while, so I just picked up where I left off.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, they've been on some shows, by.

[Interviewer]

The way, rewatching reruns, and it was.

[Ciara]

Like, hey, I just remembered, you know, and then I think Chris. Chrissy said something recently. I did see something. She recently talked about something, because I just think she's so dope.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, my God.

[Ciara]

I think she's so beautiful, you know, And I think as a woman, I think for all of us, like, you know, when you get to see someone live their life, like, on the screen in the way that they have, you do feel connected to someone sometimes. So again, it's just, like, you just want love for people. And. And what I see is, like, you know, where you come from in life doesn't determine how far you go. I've always said this, right? Like, you're not limited by your circumstances. Like, you know, and there's no perfect way to love. So that was my greatest thing is like, yeah, people mess up. People don't get it right all the time. But love is love. Like, you can't beat that. So when I saw Jim, you know, I just got excited, you know. Cause I also was like, you know, I just want good things for them. And, you know, and we got to see how they've, like, done things a little bit, you know, in the bits that they've shared with us. So, you know, I'm rooting for. I'm rooting for the Chrissies of the world.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I love that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I want to get back to your music, but I just do have one more question. Did somebody come hook you and Russ up?

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Who was it?

[Ciara]

Nobody. A good friend. A good friend.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. Okay, Got you. So you mentioned Goodies, right? And we were having this conversation yesterday. I feel like Little John is the most unappreciated, underrated producer and cultural figure in hip hop. So how was it getting with a guy like him to make a R and B smash?

[Ciara]

Oh, it was amazing. You know, at that time period, he was just, you know, entering the scene with his special sound. And at that time period, it was just really amazing energy. Like, there were a lot of songs that came out of our session. Songs like Freak A Leak was produced in the same session. And so, you know, Lil Jon was on to something so special. And, you know, it's a Southern thing, right? So when I'm listening to the record, I'm like, oh, this is different. Like, we gotta figure this record out. Like, it literally took me a month to complete that record. So I started out with a song. It was called Cookies. Because, remember, back in the. There was some song that was like. With Cookies, it was a Florida song. I forget what the song was, but the keyword was Cookies, and it was really popular. And I liked that word, so I was trying to play with it, but I'm like, that's just not, like, broad enough. Like, it's not right. It's not quite cutting through. Like, it needs to, like, how do we make this thing, like, expand? And so literally, Goodies was, like, the word I landed on, like, probably a month later. But I would ride in the car, and every melody on that hook was so important to me. And I would play the track over and over and over and, like, go line by line to make that song. But Lil Jon is special. You know, the era that we release music in, you know, through his production, was so special. And the cool thing is it's timeless. And Lil Jon has evolved. Like, he's out here killing DJ shows. Like, massive meditation.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Ciara]

You said what now?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Pushing meditation.

[Ciara]

I'm so good. Yeah. You know, the growth, the level up is real for John, you know, So I just feel blessed that I was able to be a part of such a special moment because that blessed me, you know, in a big way. Coming out as an artist, like, it was a big moment for me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What was your intention back then?

[Ciara]

My intention was to set the tone. Set the tone, set the base layer, foundation. You know, it was just the beginning for me, you know, coming out. So it was like, okay, what am I going to say to the world? How am I going to say it? How are they going to receive it? Like, I was really intentional on all of that, and I just wanted to make sure that when I planted my feet, I said, I'm here. Like, that was really my ultimate goal. And then I wanted to. I wanted to put on for my city, you know, coming from Atlanta, it's a city that made me. And I just wanted to make my city proud because there was so much talent that came from Atlanta. Like, it's such a special place. And to be able to be put alongside the many amazing artists that have come from my city, like, is. That's special, you know, I'm glad you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Said that, because it does feel like your debut shaped the whole generation of young women in R and B. Do you feel like today's artists understand the responsibility of influence the same way you did coming in?

[Ciara]

I. I don't know, to be honest with you. I think that this social media world makes things feel more light, taken lightly, you know, I think some artists get it. You know, I've been fortunate enough to meet some amazing artists that are young and coming up that get it. And I think some think it just, like, falls in your lap. It's like, if y' all knew what we had to do, like, before we had the digital age, like, we was hopping on planes to go to London. I would be talking today, and I'd be on a plane to London tomorrow. And then we're planning to go to Japan the next week. And then just to move everything. And you still do travel, but the social media world makes everything move faster and makes everything feel like bigger, you know? So I think it can give you a false perception of where you really are and I do think that the rise to fame can happen, like, even faster because of social media. So sometimes you can lose perspective on, like, reality, you know? So I do think that this new age does make things kind of flow like that sometimes. And then there's some artists you meet that, like, they get it, you know? I actually have a song on the deluxe album with Molly and Oxlade. And Molly is, like, this really sweet, like, bright young girl. She came to me at the Liberty Game here and she wanted to do a TikTok thing for a song. Move on to the next. If you're done with your ex, move on to the next. So I did the thing with her, but I loved her humility. I loved how sweet she was. And, you know, I think about artists like her, like, just have such good attitudes and, like, the hunger, you know. So some artists, they. They do get it, you know? Shout out to Lady London as well. And my. My John Blanket. My girl. My girl. Oh, my gosh. Lady London, my other girl. What the heck? Why am I trying to blink right now?

[Lauren LaRosa]

She from New York.

[Ciara]

Why am I trying to blank right now? These are my girls.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Lady London and.

[Ciara]

Oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry. I can't even. Like, this is literally my mind not working. My mind was glitching because that's my girls. I know. I just literally had a brain fart. But I gotta shout out those girls because, like, the sweetest souls, like, and so humble and hungry, you know, like, so some artists, they get it.

[DJ Envy]

They both dope.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What do you think R B needs right now to reclaim, like, that same cultural dominance it had, you know, back in. Back in that era?

[Ciara]

I think the more we can. I don't know if. I don't know if it's, like, originality. The more we can, like, keep. I don't know. I think back in that time, it was like a comedy. It was so raw, something you can ever go back and, like, recreate that, because I was going to say originality, but I think there's such, like, so much great talent that's actually, like, doing dope fresh things. And I think things happen in seasons too, right? It's like, there's a time where hip hop is dominant, and there's a time when, like, R and B is super dominant. And I think the most important thing is, like, just stay consistent, you know? Like, every genre rises in this moment. Like, country is, like, such a big moment, right? Like, that's just, like, the waves of music. But the thing you. What we do know Is R and B will never die. It will never die.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

That's what we do know.

[Interviewer]

Is it true that meeting that we keep talking about, you walked out of that meeting with your masters for free?

[Ciara]

Yeah, I did. Yeah. So, no, they didn't believe. Oh. It was a. It was a total blessing. So it was like, so you own all your masters? Not all. I'm close to owning all of them. I have a few more years before I get the whole thing and I'm counting the day.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Ciara]

No, but what. I was in that, that meeting. I said after I had that meeting, I, you know, I walked through it and I was like, you know what? I feel like I'm about to go into my independence chapter that I was really wanting to do. Like, I really was. I was like, man, I can't wait to be independent because I just really think it's going to be so much better. And it's funny because Russ and I were up late night, 3 o' clock in the morning. He was researching with me, like, who's had labels before, blah, blah, blah. Like, we were doing a whole thing digging before this meeting happened. And then that meeting happened and I was like, shoot. Well, I know. I believe this level up record is going to be special. Like, I got the video. I'm like, I know this is something. So I'm asked if I can just. Can you just give me my masters back? And they gave them back to me for free. And so that alone lets you know how much they didn't believe. You know what I'm saying? Like, it lets you know, like, oh, you really didn't believe in me. Like, it's crazy, but it was like one of the most unfortunate moments happening in one moment and then the most fortunate moment happening right after it all in the same breath. Because that was the moment that I was praying for. Like, talk about praying. I was praying for that moment and I couldn't have been more ready to do it. And like I say it goes back to the fans. Because what I learned in that moment, I learned the power of my platform. I learned the power of the connection to my fans because literally I was intentional about building my connection with my fans through my. My platforms. No label told me to do that. And then within one click of a button, the fan, my fans stood up and the world, like, rock with me. Yeah, right. And that bypassed the opinion or decision of any CEO, do you know what I mean? Like, it bypassed that chain. Like that whole channel of, like, flow you had to go through. It's like, no. Then it was probably like, honestly, at that time period, one of my low. I didn't spend that much money on the visual, just to be honest with you. You know, Paris Goble will tell you, today's price is not yesterday's price. You know, she really. She went off and she's doing her thing, but, I mean, I bet on myself real big, you know, and it's just amazing to see, like, when you do that, like, you can take a big risk and you. Again, you may not get it right, but when you do, like, oh, my God. You know what I'm saying? So, no, it was just really. I'm so glad that I did it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why did you want to be independent?

[Ciara]

I was just tired of the traditional ways of doing things. You know, I felt like. Like that. That process of sitting in meetings and, like, everybody having to say, if they like it. If they don't, then, like, are we going to roll with it or we not? Then if I invest my own money, y' all reap the full benefits. The royalty rates are dumb. Like, just think about the math, right? Okay. You have. Depending on your structure, which I don't have traditional management, I kind of manage myself, but I have an amazing team shout out to my project manager, Dimples, as well, and my boy Marcus Grant. But I have a small group of us, and I actually like it. Like, it's way more lean, and I'm still building what's going to say here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The royalties are dumb.

[Ciara]

Yeah. So you. So you go. So basically, if you have traditional management structure, in the beginning, it's a big percentage chunk. Okay. Then you have an attorney. Okay. Then you may have an agent. Okay. Then you have to pay your team. Then you have to pay your taxes. Like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Yes.

[Ciara]

Think about, like, what that. Like, that is real.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

And then if you don't have. You don't have ownership on your publishing, you don't write, which I did, thankfully, and I do. You don't have ownership in your masters, where you busting your butt. Like, you working hard, Like, I'm talking about for the passion. Like, I learned. I said I love something that would never love me back, how I love it. Damn music will never give me back what I give to it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, no, you love music, but the music business is different.

[Ciara]

That's what I'm saying. The industry, right. The music will feed me, but that's correct, right? The industry. Like, so when you understand that, like, it's like, what are we pumping for? Like, what are we doing? That's real. So it's like something has to change. Like the traditional structure has to like adjust, which I think labels are going to. Mark my words, it is changing a lot. Like, and you see it like, unfortunately there's many jobs that have been lost. It's a real thing, like ownership to me. I encourage any person, like to know that, listen, I'm not going to like knock systems because I don't want to be that kind of person. You do what's best for you. But the most important thing to me is a deal you have and if you can own your masters, like your platform is significant. Like, think about all these artists that have now broke. Like, this is one thing I do appreciate from the platforms is how it's given people opportunities to go and be their own self made millionaires or self made. Like artists like no one will be able to find. They might not be able to find a Teddy Swims, like, you know, like that easy, you know, if he didn't have his platform to like go and like build this whole thing. Like, you know, like it's a real thing. Like there's this actress I was talking to on the Today show I was hosting with Jenna Bush and I hate that I'm forgetting her name, but she's in a really big movie right now. But because she started being doing her comedy on her Instagram. So, like, your ownership is right there. Like you starting it. Just make sure you have the right distribution partner, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what I would encourage someone to do because these labels are trying to find it. And to be truthful with you, oftentimes the labels look at you like, tell me to plan. I'm like, you telling me tell you to plan?

[Interviewer]

You get all the money.

[Ciara]

We got 50 people in this building and y' all trying to tell me to tell you to plan it. I'm gonna tell myself to plan under my own rules, you know, and I'm gonna do it my way. Like, that's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I tell them that all the time. I literally told somebody from the label last week. That's why all of y' all keep getting fired. Because they don't have a plan for these artists.

[Ciara]

You gotta have a plan.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And these are like some, like some of these artists have amazing music and there's nobody helping them to push it.

[Ciara]

Yeah. And then it comes back on you. And then guess what they do? They shelve you. Like, that's crazy town. Like, that's a crushing place for someone to be in. You know what I'm saying, like. And I've had moments where I remember. I actually remember talking to an executive. I just remember this when I was. It was back when I was signed to Jive and I was a little girl, like, baby girl. But I was, like, so afraid of being shelved, and I had to ask to be let off. I didn't ask for my masters then because I wasn't ready for the independent chapter. But I just remember, like, being this young girl, I'm like, okay, I got to find my way through my emotions. And I'm like, we're not seeing eye to eye. I really don't rock with how y' all doing stuff, but that's not the way to walk into the meeting. And luckily, I was able to get off and, like, you know, in a good way, you know, so. But yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you ever feel like the industry was trying to push you out? Because it felt like there was a stretch where it felt like they. They did just stop betting on Sierra.

[Ciara]

No, I wouldn't say the industry was trying to push me out. I think it probably was just more so seasons with people, you know, but not the industry. Like, you know, I do feel blessed that, you know, I can call many people, you know, for a favor or advice or for anything. Like my. To me, one of the most important things you have to have as an entrepreneur is your relationships. And I've always taken pride in my relationships, and I feel fortunate to have the Rolodex that I do. And I've been also. I've had great mentors in the industry, too. You know what I'm saying? So I wouldn't say the industry. I think it's just. It's ebbs and flows. Like I said. I don't know what great. Like, you name one, tell me what great that has either sat in this chair, has, you know, had tremendous success, has been told you can't do it again. Right. It just comes with it, you know, so did I have a moment like that? For sure. You know, and I plan on climbing higher heights, so it might happen again.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But isn't that whack, though, because you have an executive that might have believed in you so much, you had the success.

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And then for whatever reason, they stopped believing.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, he gets fired.

[Ciara]

Well, the thing was, at that time period, it was. Yeah, it was. The person that signed me was different than the person that came in.

[DJ Envy]

That's how it always is. Yeah.

[Ciara]

So that's also not fun, too, is going through the rotating door, the changing of the guards. Like, it's like, okay, wait. We were about to go at this project, and mind you, I was pregnant when I signed that deal. So I got a shout out. My guy Monty, who was the A R at that time over at. At the label, he said to me, I said, I was so scared. I said, babe, because we were supposed to sign the deal way earlier, and then it was taking longer. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, now we're carrying. They ain't gonna want to do this deal with me, you know? And then, you know, Monty was like, sierra, don't worry. Like, you go do what you need to do. Monty Olsen, I want to. Gotta get his name right. There's several Monty's, but Monty Olsen, he's like, you do what you got to do. We got you. We'll move wherever you need to move. So that was amazing. I had a champion on my project, and the CEO at that time was all connected with him. But then that guy changed. So then I'm like, okay, now I have to sell this idea all over again to the new person. And the new person came in with new energy, and it wasn't alive, but it was the best thing that could have happened. Because now I sit here talking to you, and like I said, Level up is almost three times platinum. It's billions of streams, you know, at this point. And just my projects in general, like, I'm looking back at my catalog that I proudly own, and it's just continuing to grow every day. Like, it's kind of crazy. Like, my song how we roll with Chris Brown is almost platinum.

[Lauren LaRosa]

My God, girl, that is my jam.

[Ciara]

Okay, thank you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

From the song to the visual, all that.

[Ciara]

Yeah, it's almost platinum, right? And. And so. But here's the thing. She said she's also one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

A huge Chris Brown fan, of course.

[Ciara]

But let me tell you, though, I think about this when I reflect on everything, I'm not doing anything differently than I was doing when I was signed. The difference is just I own my stuff. Like, I was always running around, like, trying to figure it out. My features I made happen. Like, I made phone calls to my friends, you know, like. And I gotta shout out everyone that showed up on this project. I gotta shout out Lil baby. I got a shout out Frida. I got a shout out Tiger. I got a shout out Lotto. I gotta shout out diamond platinums.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You said Rob 49 is on it as well.

[Ciara]

Rob 49.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Boss man. Dlo.

[Ciara]

Oh, yeah, boss man. Yeah. Yeah, boss man. Yeah, boss man. Yeah, boss man. D. I Gotta shout him out. Just everybody. Everyone pulled up and showed up for me in such a big way. That's respect is lit to me. Like, that's love. And I said, molly and Oxlade diamond platinums, man. Like, and I. It's like. And I feel so good because it's like we're doing this. Like, I'm actually. I'm living out my dream. Like, when you do what you love, you never work a day in your life, right? I feel so blessed that I wake up every day doing what I said I wanted to do. Like, that is the best feeling in the world, right? And so to be doing it my way, listen, who knows how it goes? I'm proud of what's happening, you know what I'm saying? And I know that I'm building and working towards something even greater. And most importantly, I'm having fun.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And that lady asked you how you was going to stay young. Cause I ain't got to deal with y' all's kids now. So now look at what you're doing.

[Ciara]

Like you said. Oh, it's crazy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You're not doing anything different than you were doing. The difference is you own it.

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And by the way, you killed Color Purple.

[Ciara]

Thank you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, you ate that up.

[Ciara]

Thank you so much.

[DJ Envy]

I do have a mom question.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, at one point, because you said you was pregnant. At one point during that process, did you ever feel like you had to choose between being Sierra the superstar and a wife and mother? Did that ever cross your mind?

[Ciara]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Because that's all a part of me, right? It's. I've already. I had already done it. I had my first born already. So I was on baby number two. You know, so this was like, okay, how we gonna do this? You know, how we gonna make this make sense? Because, like, this is a part of me. Like, these are the things that feel me, that feed my soul. And I thank God that I have a partner that supports me, you know? Like, he'd be like, go do your thing. Like, he'd be like, if I gotta what? He just. He's in it with me. Like, he'll pull up if he gotta pull up. You know, it's like that. That's.

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[Ciara]

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[Ciara]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Brown Ambition Host]

Hey, sis, what If I could promise you, you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money. Again, welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part. When you pay down those credit cards, if you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now, when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets, I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt. And it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like, stick your head in the sand.

[Ciara]

It's nice and dark in the sand.

[Brown Ambition Host]

Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, and make it even worse. For more judgment, free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your.

[Ciara]

Podcast, where the fun happens. For me, like, I love that, you know, I can pop out a baby and then we can go, you know, go ahead and get it back together and then do my thing. Like, that's a good feeling. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I've never had to split the two because that just wouldn't make sense for me where I am right now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Gotcha.

[Ciara]

You know what I'm saying? Now what I will say is I'm working towards, you know, I have goals so that I can, you know, really spend even more time with my babies and my family. Like, I don't want to be grinding like it's the 2000s every day. I ain't trying to be 60 years old hitting the matrix. I ain't much I do that. You know, that ain't what I'm trying to do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That would be incredible if you can still hit The Matrix At 60 years old, you need to do it.

[Ciara]

Let me tell you, though, now y' all know what they say. Strong knee gain.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Ciara]

Cece, most likely gonna be able to do it it. But you know, I want to choose to do it, not like I have to do it. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I'mma tell you something else. I am, first of all, your snapback game has always been impeccable. But for whatever reason, I'm just finding out you're half Mexican, so now I'm even more impressed. Please don't take that.

[Ciara]

No, I'm saying, cuz I love the Latino culture, and I'm loving my Spanish.

[Interviewer]

I was like, wow, all black women snapback.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We know that.

[DJ Envy]

But I wanted to ask you, though.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I thought she was a Mexican from Atlanta.

[Ciara]

Listen, that mean my Spanish was good. That mean my Spanish.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I was like. I thought that was both, like, the nigga. I'm really impressed by the snapback game.

[DJ Envy]

But I did want to ask, you know.

[Ciara]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

With your daughters and your son.

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Would you want your son to play football? And would you want your daughters to join this industry?

[Ciara]

The industry's always scary for me. More than football.

[DJ Envy]

Really?

[Ciara]

Wow. Yeah. Cause it's not easy, y'. All. Like you said, you really scoring? No, but to be honest with you, I want them to do what they want to do, you know? Like, our kids are so talented. Future definitely loves playing football. When just started playing football, Future can spin that ball, like, the way. Like, I watched Russ teach him how to throw a ball, and it's crazy to see, like, how he done, like, it's just in him. And he can play baseball really well. Baseball is, like his jam, like, just. He got so much swag to him when he's out there on the field, you know, Sienna does like to follow in mommy's footsteps. I don't know if you guys saw the interview she did with me, but she is funny. She's really confident. Like, whatever she do, she gonna run it. You know, she does love music. And she be trying to copy my moves. Too many of them. Y' all don't wanna know, because we were. We were on tour. And I'll never forget, I was, like, getting ready, and mom was like. Cece was like, mommy, you did this move on stage. I said, what was it? She started doing this ride thing. I said, oh, no, no, baby. No, no, baby. You know? But she watched me so, like, proudly. And she looks up to me, which is so sweet. She plays flag, too. We know that's not what she's gonna do, but whatever they want to do, I want to support them. Because, listen, I didn't have much growing up, but one of the greatest blessings that my parents could have ever given me was a chance to do what I wanted to do and to support me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

So that's my greatest thing. I always try to remember, like, my dad would drive to the studio, be sleeping on the sofa while I'm recording in the studio to drive me back home. That was one of the best gifts that my parents could have ever given me because, again, we didn't have much, but they gave me support. So I'm just big on, like, let me support your dreams as long as there's nothing crazy. Like, we ain't doing no heavy metal type stuff. You know what I'm saying? But I'm supporting my babies.

[DJ Envy]

I spoke to you a long time ago, and you were learning how to cook.

[Ciara]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Did you figure it out?

[Ciara]

We should come back to that. Okay. Let me tell you. Okay. No, no, no. Can I cook? Yes. Cam. Cece, throw down 100%. When I. It's been a while. The thing is. It's been a while.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Ciara]

So, you know, like, Russ, he surprised me. Or did I surprise him? It was for a birthday, and we made sushi together, like, and also, chef Morimoto taught us how to make sushi on our anniversary trip that he surprised me with. So we love doing that kind of stuff. I do. Like, I can make a mean turkey. I can make good Mac and cheese. I can make stuffing. I can make everything when I'm focused and I have time. I just don't get the time to be in the kitchen. Like, I'd like to, but. Can I cook? Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So do you cook for Thanksgiving?

[Ciara]

I.

[DJ Envy]

Hell, no.

[Ciara]

Don't do it most of the time. But have I. Yes. No, I have done it. It's been. It's been a while.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

I made Mac and cheese, like, a few years ago, but I like to kick my feet up at that point because we'd be rolling, you know, it's like, that's the time to debrief and just, like, not have to worry about nothing but just eat and go back for the leftovers.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now, last question for me. Do you want more children? Like, do I have, like, a quota? Like, are y' all stopping at any point?

[Ciara]

If y' all ask, Russ, we ain't gonna stop, period. I'm like, that's just disrespectful. You know, literally, after I gave birth to Amora, he's like, so, you know, on the next one, you know, I'm like, what we talking about? You know? No, but I. I think we probably will have one more. God willing, you know? God willing. I think we can get there. You know, the problem, I say, is Russell and I kind of fertile Myrtle together. So it's like. And then when he look at me, my belly starts to grow.

[DJ Envy]

What's it?

[Ciara]

No, he said Mexican. They do have large Families, Yes. Mexican, typically, but yeah, no, I. I think we'll probably get to Walmart, but again, God willing. You know, I don't know when, but I'm down. I'm down for sure.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How's becoming a mother changed the way you define success and happiness?

[Ciara]

Oh, my gosh, it's huge being a mom. Like, it puts the P in purpose for me. It's like, it's. I feel like I'm really doing something, you know, like, when I leave you guys today, I'm gonna go back and be with my babies for a little bit, and then I'll go do something else this evening for work. But it's. It's the best. Like, I feel like I'm really living. Like, it's like I'm. I'm really pumping for something, like, for our family. Like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's different. And I'm. I'll be honest with you guys. I'm so glad that I committed to living. And what I mean by that is that I think oftentimes in our world, you're constantly chasing success that you forget to live. And I think that's how, unfortunately, a lot of people that I've admired kind of lose it, because you're so focused on that that you forget the life part of it. And again, it goes back to, like, back in the earlier days when I first came out, if you had a child, like, you all of a sudden old or you're not as hot anymore, and it's like, wait, we can't live life like that because then we're not living. Like, I remember one of my girls telling me that was two of my girls in the same conversation. They were both really successful, and they were saying, you know, man, I wish I would have just kept going with half my babies. They have, like, one of them had two and one had one. And I remember when they said that to me, I'm like, I would never forget it. And I'm like, I'm gonna keep going because I know what they're saying. Like, because once time passes us women by, we can't go back.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

So, like, we gotta live. Like, you gotta make sure to me, on the path to success and when you're trying to achieve, you know, big things, like, stay focused on it, but you can't forget to live.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Ciara]

In the Bible, it says, what good is it for a man to gain the world and lose his soul? So that's a real thing, you know, Like, I want to know who I am. When it's all said and done and I want to live. And I love being a mama. It's the best feeling in the world. I got the mommy choir popping off. Mommy, Mommy, Mommy, Mommy, Mommy. You know, But I wouldn't have it any other way. And literally, more kids, more issues, Mo tissues, mo problems. Because I swear to you, it'd be like, we all on the right track. Then either someone hit someone or someone is sick. Then the next one is sick, and.

[DJ Envy]

The whole house is sick.

[Ciara]

Then the whole house is sick. And then it's like, but wait. And then you got it. You have the layers of everything. Like, we're about to do school shopping. I like taking them all on their little trips, but you got that. And then they ain't cheap. Everything costs. I'm like, it's crazy.

[DJ Envy]

Wait till they get a little older. Wait till they get a little old. They get worse.

[Ciara]

Oh, I already know.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I already know.

[DJ Envy]

I got six. Charlotte got four. She got two.

[Ciara]

That's crazy.

[Interviewer]

Cause your baby girl that interviewed you. Oh, she's not no girl.

[Ciara]

She is coming.

[Interviewer]

I be seeing her on Instagram.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She know what she want. All of that.

[Ciara]

She is really confident, and she don't take no mess. But, you know, I wouldn't have it any other way. Like, I love that chaos. Like, I. That. That. Honestly, having my family was a part of my dream in my life. Like, and I feel like I'm living out my dream, you know, being this little girl from Decatur, Georgia, you know, envisioning my life as a woman. You know, Like, I just feel so blessed that I, you know, I have what I wanted in my life, you know, with my family and my babies. And I did say years ago in an interview I wanted five kids. So it's crazy, but I don't know why, but I'm only child, so I think, yeah, my desire was, like, I just always wanted siblings, and so I always wanted that, like, you know, love and. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, people see you and Russell and they see our relationship as goals. Do you feel celebrated for that or box in by, like, that narrative?

[Ciara]

I think that's so sweet, you know, but listen, we're not perfect. I do want to say that we're not perfect, but I think it's. I think it's a sweet thing, you know, I think people are just showing love to love, for sure. You know, And I think it's. I think it's awesome. I think it's inspiring. It's a. It feels good, you know, to, you know, run into girls or Guys or couples, and we have couple conversations. Like, I like that. You know, it's like we all kind of feed each other without knowing it sometimes. So I think it's a sweet thing, you know, Like I say, we're not perfect, you know, we're just like everybody else trying to figure out life. And like, we don't, we don't always get everything right, but we do have each other. And it's just a. It's a blessing. And so I think it's sweet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What about your old friend group that's no longer married? Like, you know, like, like, you know, I love Lala. That's family.

[Ciara]

Oh, my girl Kim.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They're not married anymore. Do you. You still mix with them like that?

[Ciara]

Of course. What you mean I still mix with them?

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's crazy as hell.

[Interviewer]

He's.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You don't know.

[Interviewer]

You're not married? I'm not married.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Damn.

[DJ Envy]

Damn.

[Ciara]

What'd you just say to her?

[Interviewer]

He said, first of all, you're not married.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I did not say that.

[Ciara]

Why are you talking to her like that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't mean it like that.

[Ciara]

What that got to do with, I.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don'T know, I want drugs.

[Ciara]

He just want to come. He just want to come out. Hot boy, he be waiting to go.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Ciara]

Listen, I gotta shout my girls out because they some boss.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely.

[Ciara]

You know what I'm saying? Bosses, absolutely. And everybody has their journey, right? Like, that's what friends are for. Like, I've had my journey and I thank God for my friend circle that has been there for me. And like I say, you're not going to always get it right, but it's a blessing when you have boss, bad ass, you know, intelligent, no nonsense, strong girls. And all of my girls, you know, are amazing. You know, all my girls, Kelly, Vanessa, you know, Rena, I just feel blessed to know the girls that I know in my life. And obviously Lala, you know, she's amazing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely.

[Ciara]

You know, and she's the sweetest heart, like the sweetest heart. Like, she's like the life of the party, you know. And so, you know, I'm glad she was there for me in my journey, in my life when she was, because that's huge, you know, to have a strong support circle and system.

[Interviewer]

What was it like for you being there for them during their time when they were. Because it's so public with Kim divorcing Kanye. Lala divorcing, like, what was that type of support, like, from you as a friend in return?

[Ciara]

Listen, I think that, you know, friendship is friendship. You're gonna always be there for your friends, no matter what, you know? Yeah. And just like any friendship, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You never grab your ponytail and say, can't relate.

[Ciara]

No, no, no. Because we've all been through some things. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, we've all been through stuff, you know, like. And nobody's perfect and we don't always get it right. Like, that's the thing. It's like. It's like that's life. Like, all of us in this room do not get it right all the time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's right.

[Ciara]

That's right. None of us like. So it's like we all trying to figure this thing out.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You just got it wrong yesterday.

[Ciara]

Look, I'm like, what happened?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I know, right? But it's all right. It's all right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Ask about this.

[Interviewer]

So you were talking about your legacy earlier, and it made me think. I was at the BET Awards and you weren't a part of the 106 and park tribute. We all thought you were going to be, especially when the. When, like, you. Bow wow came out on like you. Why didn't you hit by the way?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I didn't need you on like you.

[Ciara]

I wanted Ciara to have her own with her.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And I said that on air. I said I did not need Ciara with like you. I wanted Ciara.

[Interviewer]

So two questions.

[Ciara]

Listen, Sean, I do think that would have been amazing to, you know, be able to have my own set. But no, listen, the show was amazing. First of all, I think it was one of the best shows that we've ever seen in BET show history. Wouldn't you all say that?

[Interviewer]

It was great.

[Ciara]

Yeah. And I think programming just happened. How programming happened and nobody even reached out.

[DJ Envy]

You were so big during that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Crazy. From 12 step hold up, Lauren. From 12 step to lose control to oh, what? Ludacris. All the way back to Goodies. We could have had a whole.

[DJ Envy]

It wasn't like he wasn't there.

[Ciara]

Listen, y' all need to go talk to bet. That's what need to happen. That's what need to happen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And didn't goodies debut on 100?

[Ciara]

Yeah. Yeah. So that was actually my first. My very first live performance.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Live performance. That's what it was.

[Ciara]

Live. Yeah. First live television performance. And it's funny because I was. I mean, the world was going so fast. Like, no lives, like, oh, my gosh. Like, and mind you, before that, I hadn't done a lot of performances. So it was like I was 16 years old when I Signed my deal with Arista and I had showcases, but my story was kind of raw. Like, I wasn't trained to do what I did. I just had a gift to do it, and I knew I had a gift to do it. So I've been like, literally learning in front of the world. Like, a lot of my journey and my performances have happened. Like, it's like being thrown into the fire now. Back in the days they had artist development. They don't have that anymore. Yeah, you know, but yeah, I remember, like, the special days of pulling up, you know, here in New York and the fandom. Like, I wish we had that kind of stuff. We don't have that anymore.

[Interviewer]

That was such a missed moment.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How the hell didn't reach out to Sierra?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

We said that today. I didn't know that they didn't actually.

[DJ Envy]

She came out right after.

[Interviewer]

People were so excited to see. You all knew. At some point it was. We were like, even there backstage, I remember people being like, it ended. People were like, wait, Sierra didn't go on stage.

[Charlamagne tha God]

They didn't even ask.

[Ciara]

Y' all are so funny. Y' all been coming in.

[Lauren LaRosa]

How do you plan about that type of stuff with Ucavran?

[Ciara]

Listen, I do like Charlamagne's idea. I do think that it would have been amazing to be able to rock up there with the full on set. You know, we were having conversations about things like that for sure. But again, I. I gotta shout out the team at BET because they really are amazing, you know, Jesse Collins and everyone. I don't wanna ever speak, you know, you know, out of pocket for them, but they're amazing. And, you know, BET is a necessary platform, you know? Cause I know the. The that BET is like, you know, like all networks. It's a journey. So I gotta shout them out. But yeah, I think it would have been amazing to definitely have, you know, to be able to rock rocked the stage in full. But it was a great show. It was a fantastic show. It was.

[Interviewer]

And this is my last question. I'm out of your business.

[Ciara]

What?

[Interviewer]

I want to know what the conversation was with you and Rihanna when y' all patched it up.

[Ciara]

Oh, like, what did that look like? I would say patch it up. Like, it wasn't like a patch up conversation. But, you know, we actually saw each other at the Met gala, and obviously she shared her bump, her new bump with. I think she just had her baby. Am I right? Yeah. Congratulations to Ribi. Because, listen, I think it's such a beautiful thing when we get to live our lives. Right? Especially as a mom. Like, live your life. But when we saw each other, it was so sweet. It was her asap, me and Russ, and we were all just chatting it up and, you know, talking about kids and mo kids and just like normal, you know, just like girls would do. So that was really sweet, you know, it was. It was the best energy, you know? And Cece got love for Riri.

[DJ Envy]

So you didn't even bring up the old stuff. You didn't even bring up.

[Ciara]

No. Because you're like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's so hard.

[Ciara]

Yeah. It's like babies. Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Who y' all are now.

[Ciara]

Yeah. She sent me this really sweet message, like a while ago before we saw each other. And she was like saying, I'm so proud of you, you know, And I thought that was so, so sweet, you know, for her to say that. And I really respect her. Like, I admire what she's doing and what she's done. Like, I remember meeting us, meeting each other for the first time, you know, as babies. And, you know, I started a little bit before her, but to see how she's like, you know, like, leveled up and like, built her empire. Like, to do that in our industry is not easy. And she's, you know, putting on for Barbados, as she would say, in such a big way. And I think us women were just like, you know, we're women, you know, and like, grown, like, you know, so it's all that kind of energy. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But that dumb thugging on Twitter used to be fun to watch.

[Ciara]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I remember when I got punched in the back of the head and Sierra had a field day. I remember that because I was laughing because I'm like, you know what? I deserve it. And she was like, I bet you the medidas you ain't using medidas. That.

[Ciara]

Listen, you gotta get Char with something. Yeah. Cuz this man right here. Oh, my God.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And ugly back then.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That was definitely getting hot back then.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, yeah, Definitely ugly.

[Ciara]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, no, listen, you gotta listen. The Charlamagne's of the world. I tell you, you don't forget them. That's what I do, though. You don't forget them. And you be like, just let something. If something. Not let some. But if something happen, you be ready to be like, hey. Huh? Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wooden crickets now.

[Ciara]

Yeah, wooden crickets, actually, I see the cricket and they ain't saying nothing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

This is my last question. If you script away all the titles, you know, superstar, wife, mom, who is Ciara at her core today?

[Ciara]

At my core. Oh, my gosh. You said take away.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Mom, artist, wife. Just you as a person.

[Ciara]

She a boss.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Love that.

[Ciara]

Yeah. No, she a boss. No, I mean, yeah, she is a woman. I say a woman of ambition on a mission. That's always my jam. She's trying to figure it all out, you know, Just trying to grind every day. Figure it out. She's a woman. I'm a woman that loves to serve. I love to give and I love to live.

[DJ Envy]

Well, let's get into a joint off the album. What you want to hear?

[Ciara]

Let's go. Okay. We're gonna play this song that I'm excited about. I told y'. All the video is out today, and this is my song, dance for Me, featuring my boy Tiger. And check it out right now.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right, let's play a few. What else you want to hear? Let's play Celebrate Sierra this morning.

[Ciara]

There we go. No, tell us what you want.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Be right back and run it up.

[Ciara]

I love being right back too. I love both of those. So wait, can we get to those two today?

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely. All right, ladies and gentlemen, next time you see my daughter, tell her we was nice.

[Ciara]

Oh, my gosh. I'm gonna tell her because she was on me. She's so cute. She said, I think you know my dad. And I said, yeah. She said, DJ Ambie. I was like, yeah, I know your dad. I was like, oh, my gosh. And they showed up. I was like, that might not be your dad.

[DJ Envy]

I definitely can't dance. Like, I definitely can't dance like that.

[Ciara]

I definitely can't dance like that. No, I'm messing with him. I mess with Ciara.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She's like, they look black. That can't be NB Shut up.

[DJ Envy]

Pick up the new album, Cece, out today. Ciara. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Ciara]

Hold up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Every day I wake up.

[Shock Incarceration Host]

Wake your ass up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It's the Breakfast Club show, y'.

[Ciara]

All D.

[Shock Incarceration Host]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you.

[Shock Incarceration Host]

Listen to Shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple plus podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[John Hope Bryant]

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[Ciara]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[DJ Envy]

He never thought he was going to get caught, and I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Charlamagne tha God]

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[America's Crime Lab Narrator]

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[Interviewer]

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