INTERVIEW: Da Brat & Jesseca “Judy” Harris-Dupart Opens up about love life, Motherhood, hiphop History

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Interview with Da Brat & Jesseca “Judy” Harris-Dupart

Episode Date: February 3, 2026
Main Theme:
Da Brat and Jesseca “Judy” Harris-Dupart join The Breakfast Club to discuss their new relationship book "The Way Love Goes," delving into their love story, motherhood, personal growth, hip hop history, and lessons in lasting partnership.

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Featured Guests and Hosts

• Guests: Da Brat (hip hop legend, radio host), Jesseca “Judy” Harris-Dupart (entrepreneur, CEO of Kaleidoscope Hair Products)
• Hosts: DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God

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Episode Overview

Da Brat and Judy bring humor and openness as they unpack the real story of their union, navigating love, vulnerability, marriage, parenting, the pressures of public life, and Da Brat’s impact on hip hop. The couples’ honesty offers listeners a mix of heartfelt wisdom, raunchy fun, and reflections on blending professional and private spheres.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Relationship Dynamics: Online and Offline

• Keeping Love Fresh:
  • The couple is just as affectionate off-camera as they are in public, with DJ Envy reminiscing about seeing them backstage at Jingle Ball Atlanta being “lovey dovey” (03:07).
  • Da Brat: “We just like to have fun, man. Life presents enough bullshit... so we just like to have fun.” (03:37)
• Social Media Challenges:
  • Judy gets Da Brat to take part in social media by convincing her to do short recordings, even though Brat isn’t naturally into it. “Give 'em a little razzle dazzle, you know what I’m saying?” (03:58 – Charlamagne Tha God)

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How They Met & Early Miscommunications

• Initial Connection:

  • Da Brat was drawn in by Judy’s inspiring messages on Instagram before officially meeting at a business event (06:20–07:21).
  • The initial meet-up involved career crossovers and, to Da Brat's surprise, instant chemistry.

• Notable Moment:

  • Judy: “I said, well, I’m interested in you.” (08:47)
  • Da Brat: “My swag left. I was nauseous. I had butterflies. I felt like I was gonna be sick.” (08:54)

• Early Confusion and "Ghosting":

  • Miscommunications occurred due to Da Brat’s work schedule and phone habits, leading to Judy feeling ghosted after traveling to Atlanta multiple times (10:55–11:19).
  • Judy: “Imagine you fly… and then you text and say, hey, you know, what time, whatever. And there’s nothing. And then she don’t respond back until I’m back in New Orleans.” (10:55)

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Vulnerability and Growth

• Transformation through Love:

  • Da Brat describes becoming more open and vulnerable in her relationship, crying more, and being “way more vulnerable now.” (14:51)
  • “Growing up in Chicago, having to defend myself and fight all the time, you… don’t show vulnerability because you show weak.” (14:51)

• Learning Real Love:

  • Both realized they hadn’t truly experienced love before each other.
    • Da Brat: “Until I got this right here, I ain’t never know what love was for real in real life.” (16:54)
    • Judy: “Our love taught me how to take two steps back and try to learn the person and learn their love language.” (17:26)

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Marriage, Conflict, and Communication

• Adapting to Each Other:

  • Judy is a gift-giver; Da Brat values time together (18:04–18:44).
  • Both have strong personalities, often needing to actively de-escalate arguments.
    • Da Brat: “When her voice goes up, I be like, ‘Babe, can you please bring your voice down? You’re yelling.’” (19:54)
    • Judy prefers walking away to cool off, while Da Brat wants instant resolution (20:37–21:09).

• Motherhood’s Impact:

  • Parenthood brought them closer, made Da Brat a more intentional communicator, and fostered mutual respect for “leadership” in parenting (21:23–22:39).
  • Da Brat never expected to have a child or get married: “I just thought it wasn’t in the cards for me… I was just content with living life.” (22:04)

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Keeping Romance Alive

• Intentional Intimacy:
  • Date nights and creative attempts at roleplay keep things spicy, though not always according to plan.
    • Judy: “The one time I tried to role play with her, she was so lost… Eventually she got it right… but she didn’t even let me do the dance.” (27:32–28:18)
    • Da Brat: “I had to tear that thing up. I didn’t even get through.” (28:14)
  • Honest and playful discussions about their sex life, referencing candid details from their book, such as Da Brat giving Judy multiple orgasms in one session (54:39–55:04).

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Misconceptions, Power Dynamics, and Gender

• Who Runs the Relationship?

  • Judy “runs” the relationship and household in some ways, and Brat is happy for her to do so.
    • Da Brat: “I like that in every relationship I’ve had, I’ve pretty much ran… and I like for her to run.” (32:20)
  • Brat emphasizes her lack of desire for “labels” and rejects being called a “stud”: “I am not a stud. I love fingernails. I love makeup. I love panty and bra sets.” (38:02)

• Giving & Receiving:

  • Both struggled to accept gifts due to past experiences, with Judy preferring to give and take care of others rather than receive, and Da Brat turning down luxury gifts because all she wanted was Judy herself (35:14–36:19).

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Hip Hop Reflections and Industry Stories

• Unfiltered Stories:

  • Da Brat shares a legendary story about “kidnapping” Mariah Carey to get Burger King fries, leading to mayhem with Mariah’s then-husband Tommy Mottola’s security team (38:34–42:01).
  • On being the first female solo rapper to go platinum and industry respect:
    • Da Brat: “It is what it is. That’s what I did. That is who I am. It can’t be changed. Nobody else can be the first female rapper to ever sell a million records solo.” (42:17)
    • On Hip Hop Authenticity: “I was just gonna be the person I rapped about… the Chicago that grew up defending myself. That’s who I rapped about being. But with my beautiful, it’s just like… my heart is just cracked open.” (50:20)

• Mentorship and Loyalty:

  • Credits JD (Jermaine Dupri) for looking out for her, teaching her life and career lessons, and maintaining a consistent, supportive big brother relationship (47:09–48:44).
  • Talks honestly and humorously about her “big sister” role with Bow Wow, including discipline when needed (48:52–49:58).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On letting guards down:

  • “My wife and the love from her has made me open up more and know that it’s okay to cry and express yourself.” – Da Brat (15:01)

• On real love:

  • “Until I got this right here, I ain’t never know what love was for real in real life.” – Da Brat (16:54)

• On taking time over gifts:

  • “She don’t care if it cost a dollar or if it cost a million. She… prefers time.” – Judy (18:04)

• On labels:

  • “I am not a stud. I love fingernails… I don’t put a label on myself, period.” – Da Brat (38:02)

• On transparency in relationships:

  • “Communication is very important… Be transparent in the beginning.” – Da Brat (54:11)

• On love’s timing:

  • “It’s never too late for love and not to give up on it. And it finds you when you stop looking for it.” – Judy (53:41)

• On hip hop legacy:

  • “Nobody else can be the first female rapper to ever sell a million records solo.” – Da Brat (42:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:07] – Discussing their public and private relationship dynamic
• [04:29] – On writing openly about intimacy in their book
• [06:20–07:21] – How Da Brat and Judy first connected
• [08:47] – Judy admits her attraction
• [10:55] – Judy describes early “ghosting”
• [14:51] – Da Brat on vulnerability and Chicago upbringing
• [16:54] – Da Brat realizes she’s never known true love before Judy
• [18:04–18:44] – Love languages and relationship adjustments
• [21:23] – Motherhood’s impact on their bond
• [27:32–28:18] – Hilarious failed roleplay story
• [32:20] – “Who runs the relationship?” power discussion
• [38:02] – Da Brat on rejecting gendered labels
• [38:34–42:01] – Kidnapping Mariah Carey for Burger King
• [42:17] – Hip hop legacy and accolades
• [50:20] – Vulnerability and transformation in parenthood and marriage
• [54:11] – Ending advice, importance of transparency

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Final Takeaways

• Love can arrive unexpectedly and transform even the toughest personalities.
• Transparency, vulnerability, and learning your partner’s needs are key to lasting partnerships.
• Career success and accolades can matter less than personal fulfillment and genuine connection.
• The couple encourages listeners not to give up on love—even if it comes later in life—and to be transparent and patient with each other.

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For listeners seeking an authentic, insightful, and entertaining look at modern love, hip hop history, and personal reinvention, this episode delivers with energy and realness true to The Breakfast Club’s legacy.

Transcript

[Judy]

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[Da Brat]

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[Da Brat]

Hold up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every day I wake up.

[iHeartRadio Announcer]

Wake your ass up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess, Hilarious Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got Some special guests joining us today.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, indeed.

[Da Brat]

We got the Brat and Judy.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

The Way Love Goes. A guide to building a beautiful and everlasting relationship. They are here. Good morning, guys.

[Da Brat]

Good morning. How y' all doing? Morning.

[Judy]

It's cold as shit out here. Why the snow dirty? I thought snow's supposed to be white.

[DJ Envy]

The first day is clean.

[Da Brat]

I thought snow was white. They start scooping it. Looking at us like that yourself. No dirty questions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They start plowing it and moving it.

[DJ Envy]

Around and the rock's off and all that. It gets a little dirty.

[Judy]

I'm sorry.

[DJ Envy]

How y' all feel?

[Da Brat]

She from New Orleans.

[DJ Envy]

You know, I love to see y' all together, right? Cause some people have a relationship online and they just show the love online. Right?

[Da Brat]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

But to see y' all behind the scenes and see y' all together when no cameras are there and how lovey dovey y' all still are with each other. So we were up at Jingle Ball Atlanta and the Brat was performing. And behind the stage, y' all just couldn't keep your hands off each other. Y' all hugging, pumping, dancing on each other. I said, I love this. How was the relationship? Still so fresh like that. Y' all still. It feel like you're a newlywed era.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, we just like to have fun, man. Life presents enough bullshit, you know what I'm saying? In the world today. So we just like to have fun. She got me making videos and stuff.

[DJ Envy]

I seen that.

[Judy]

She hate that, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like the brat. I can tell.

[Da Brat]

I'm getting into it. I'm getting better.

[Judy]

But that engagement be high. She don't be doing nothing on social media. And you gotta give him a little tinkle trip, you know, give him a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Little razzle dazzle, you know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

Now, Judy, how did you crack the brat when it came to that? Cause the brat is usually tough exterior. She ain't effing around. She ain't with the social media. And you got her doing dances, so.

[Judy]

Well, I tell her, beautiful, I need you to Marv, I need you for like 30 minutes. And I don't tell her what we doing or nothing. Right before it's time to shoot, I said, okay, this is an example. And she be aggravated, but she kind of do it. And as long as we can do it in one or two takes, she with it. But when it's 2, 3, 4, she out the door.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did y' all protect the private parts of y' all relationship while writing this book?

[Da Brat]

What private parts? We kind of just let it all out. Whatever we talked about, we went deep into it and just talked about it.

[Judy]

For real.

[Da Brat]

For real. Like, whatever happened, that's what happened. You know, we protected the name of the people or whatever, but it's our lives and it's our situation. So everything that happened in those stories we told is what happened.

[Judy]

Absolutely. Now, one thing that I was surprised about, though, I was, she talked about our sex life, like, so openly and candidly.

[Angela Yee]

I got it on the page right here, right?

[Judy]

Openly and candidly. Because she does it. She's real timid, shy, especially when it comes to stuff like that. I was like, so you gonna tell them all of this? And she just let it loose. So I said, okay.

[Da Brat]

That's what we doing kind as well.

[DJ Envy]

How did y' all meet? Cause we know you drew super duper entrepreneur from New Orleans, right? That's the first time we met you. The brat, of course. Atlanta hip hop legend.

[Da Brat]

Chi Town.

[DJ Envy]

Chi Town. Chi Town to Atlanta shot Lana. Now, how did y' all meet?

[Da Brat]

Well, she was doing this. I was doing promo for Miracle Drops, for Kaleidoscope for the company. And that happened through, like a makeup artist, blah, blah, blah. But I had never met her. But the first time I initially saw her, she was on Instagram. And I was going through some crazy, and I saw this lady and she had this message. And the message just drew me in, and I was like, oh, my God. It, like, really helped my soul feel better. I was like, who is this lady? She had gray hair. And I was like, okay. So I started following her fast forward. She was on a tour, Judy Dropping Knowledge tour or whatever. So I was like, okay. I was coming from somewhere and I landed in Atlanta. And I was back in Atlanta. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna stop by there and check her out. Because I had never met her. So I was like, okay. I pull up to this place, it's like five, 10,000 people at a conventions. I could cuss right at a convention center. And I'm like, okay. I definitely didn't expect that because I was coming from the airport. I wasn't ready to see people have to sign autographs and pretty much work. But anyway, I got in there. So I asked her people, you know, could they get her standing there 10, 20, 30, 45 minutes, waiting on this lady to come through the crowd because she's signing autographs and taking pictures? I'm like, well, I'm the brat. I'm not gonna be standing up here all my waiting on this lady, right? So I'm like, okay, so I'm being patient because, you know, I do work for her. I do do some promo and stuff for. So I just really wanted to meet her. So she finally made it to me and she was like, hey, how you doing? You know, we talked, we hugged for a second and I was like, man, it's so crazy how I was like, let's link later. You know what I'm saying? Because obviously we can't really have no conversation right here. But when I meant by let's link later is let's shoot some more promo videos. Let's, you know, let's. Whatever you like.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, right.

[Da Brat]

I really did. That's not what I heard. I didn't even know. First of all, I didn't even know she liked women. I didn't even know any of that. You know what I'm saying? I didn't need. Yeah, so go ahead, tell us.

[Judy]

So, well, she. Let's clear it up. I didn't know that she was there, nor did I know she was coming, nor did I know she was waiting. She talked to my team. So when I finally got to her and I was like, oh, hey girl. Cause she had been in my comments, she had been on my live. And I was like, oh, she friendly. So then when she said, let's link later, I said, oh, she friendly, friendly, friendly, you know. So she told me to meet her at so so def later on. And I did. I went to the studio and it was just me by myself. She was like, where's your team, child?

[Da Brat]

This lady pulled up, hopped out the car by herself in this FL ass little tight outfit. I guess anything she wear gonna be tight. Cause the way her body is made. But she had a long draping ponytail. She had a jewelry on. I was like, where is you going? You could have been coming to a studio with a thousand niggas. You know, Atlanta studios. It be all kind of people everywhere. And it be 10, 15 studios in one big studio. And I was like, you shouldn't be out here by yourself. Where's your security? Where's the team? Where's the camera people? And she was like, I came by myself. And I was like, you said you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wanted to link.

[Da Brat]

But I was not like coming. And I didn't. Wasn't flirting or saying, come, let's link, Link. Then she pulled up to the studio. I was like, oh, shit, this bitch is fine.

[DJ Envy]

Big booty Jew.

[Da Brat]

But when we was in the studio, we was just talking. I still had no idea. I'm still dumbfounded. I still had no idea. We was talking about all the shit we. The shit we liked and the things that we were interested in.

[Judy]

I said, well, I'm interested in you.

[Da Brat]

Yes. So it fucked me up.

[DJ Envy]

Cause you would probably be the one.

[Da Brat]

Like, I wasn't used to that. You know what I'm saying? I just wasn't used to that. Like, out of the blue, I had no. Usually I have some type of inkling or some type of idea. I didn't know. So when she said it, it me up. I was like, what? Interested in who, man? And she was like, I'm interested in you. And it. First of all, my swag left. I was nauseous. I had butterflies. I felt like I was gonna be sick. Then I tried to light a blunt. I was like, okay, calm yourself. Calm yourself. Get you a blunt. Roll your blunt like that. I lit the blunt. The cherry fell on.

[Angela Yee]

Damn.

[Da Brat]

Couldn't even smoke the blunt. I said, damn. Okay, so I'm gonna give me some Hennessy. Got me some Hennessy.

[Judy]

And I'm like, yeah.

[Da Brat]

Just trying to keep my cool. You know what I'm saying? Cause I was nervous as fuck. Drink the Hennessy. Shit. Poured all down my mouth. It's my whole mouth. I know. Like, the swag.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What was you thinking in all of this?

[Judy]

I thought it was cute.

[Da Brat]

That shit was cute.

[Judy]

I thought that she. You know, it was like. It was cute that she was shy and she was timid. But then. Let's skip to the next part. When you had me come to Atlanta two, three times, and you ghosted me. W. Damn.

[Da Brat]

First of all, wow, she was a person.

[Judy]

You were able to talk to her. But come about 3 o' clock, ish, she would go missing in the afternoon.

[Da Brat]

At 3 o' clock ish.

[Judy]

Something like that. Exaggerated. She was doing Dish Nation.

[Da Brat]

Oh, my God. Damn. Actually, my phone stayed on silent. Cause I did a morning show and I did Dis Nation, so my phone did have to stay on silent. And Rickey Smiley kind of like, taught us to. Because I used to be hooked on my phone, like, worse than she is on hers. Just 24 7. So he was like, y' all gotta learn how to put y' all phones down. So I had finally trained myself to, like, put my phone down when I got home. So when I got home, I put my phone down and didn't look at it again until I felt like looking at it. Until I did all the things I needed to do at home. Unwound and all that. But she was like, well, I came To Atlanta. And you ghosted me out of maybe 10 times that might have happened.

[Judy]

Three out of. Imagine you fly, you get your ass up from your house, you get in the car, you walk through the airport, you check the bag, you board the flight, you land where you going? You check into the Airbnb, you put the suitcase up, and then you text and say, hey, you know, what time, whatever. And there's nothing. And then she don't respond back until I'm back in New Orleans. And that happened. You heard her say three times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I ain't never called a radio station. You should have called Ricky Smiley show.

[Da Brat]

She did all that airplane and bagging, packing bags and all that. She was flying back and forth to Atlanta.

[Judy]

No, but I flew those times for you.

[Da Brat]

Cause she was doing the celebrity thing with the promo.

[DJ Envy]

Why'd you come back after she goes to you? Why'd you say, you know what? Let me give this another shot?

[Da Brat]

Because she acted like we never talked in between there. We were talking in between there. That did happen a few times, right?

[Judy]

We talked in between. But then at some point, I was like, I don't. This is too unstable. And if she really was interested, she wouldn't just have me keep coming out here for this bullshit.

[Da Brat]

But we linked up. We met up a few times. We met up a few times. You act like that happened every single.

[Angela Yee]

Time in Atlanta or out of town when y' all linked up, okay?

[DJ Envy]

You should have did that to her in New Orleans. You said, come to New Orleans. You should have ghosted ass in New Orleans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can I ask a question? How often do y' all argue about this?

[Da Brat]

It seems like a free flow how I feel about it. And I say, what happened.

[Judy]

She still feels to this day that. Cause I moved on. So. She still feels to this day that I should have moved on and told.

[Da Brat]

Her and didn't tell me.

[Judy]

I'm moving on. When she was ghosting me.

[Da Brat]

I wasn't ghosting her. I had some shit to clean up. You know what I'm saying?

[Judy]

She said, oh, say it.

[Da Brat]

But you couldn't tell her she had like, six, seven. I couldn't tell her. Cause I didn't want to lose. I knew what I felt, and I.

[DJ Envy]

Knew I had stuff to clean up.

[Judy]

She still lost me, though.

[Da Brat]

She still so.

[Judy]

But had she been transparent, it wouldn't have been that thing in between.

[Da Brat]

But how did I know that I didn't want to take that fucking chance on losing you and telling you, you know what? I have a few situations I need to, you know Clean up in, close out, whatever. Before I come to you with all this baggage. You'd have probably been like, bitch, bye. You probably would have said bye sooner. I didn't know you was gonna say what you said.

[Angela Yee]

So how did you get her back?

[DJ Envy]

How did you.

[Angela Yee]

Cause you left. You moved on.

[DJ Envy]

How did you.

[Da Brat]

She moved on. So I'm. I'm. First of all, we still were talking, okay?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Da Brat]

I'm looking at Instagram. I go to her page. It's some nigga on her page. I see the back of this nigga head, heart, nails and stuff, all on this nigga neck. I'm. What the is going on? A. Yeah, she like. And oh, okay. Well, I did too. I did too. So anyway.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She'S like, I'm not the only one.

[Da Brat]

So I'm looking at the page and I'm like, damn. So at least for damn near a year, I stalks this page. I'm like, this nigga gonna be gone soon. Yeah, this nigga. I'm about praying this nigga away. I'm like, this nigga gonna be gone soon. Every time I looked, I had to stop looking every day and try to look like, once a week. Ca. He seemed to had not been going nowhere. I'm like, damn. So finally, at the. Maybe seven months, eight months. I don't know how long did I stalk the page and watch to see if this was gone? Because a few times I was like, oh, I don't see him. I don't see him damn near that. Go. He wasn't on there. He wasn't on there. And she had erased all his pictures. I'm like, yep, that gone. That is gone. It's time for me to shoot my shot. So I DM the light. Hey, how you doing? Like, oh, my God. How you doing? How you been? She had blocked me. Damn. Judy had blocked me. Cause the nigga had seen our conversations. So he, you know, she had to do what he said do and she had to block. Why you gotta say it like that? Cause he asked you to block me and you did.

[Judy]

I was respecting my relationship.

[Da Brat]

Fuck that relationship. Fuck that nigga.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, da brat. You said love changed you. So what parts of yourself did you finally allow? I guess. I guess to soften.

[Da Brat]

Oh, my God. Like, I'm way more vulnerable now. Like, I cry more. You know, growing up in Chicago, having to defend myself and fight all the time, you. You don't. You don't cry. You don't show weak. You don't show vulnerability because you show weak. Then people take advantage of you more, they see you sweat, they go in harder. That's how it is in Chicago. So my wife and the love from her has made me open up more and know that it's okay to cry and express yourself. Like, when we was doing Brat Loves Judy, I really didn't want to see me have an argument with her, because I had never did that, like, on tv, and I definitely didn't want to see me cry. Like, I'm a rapper. I talk about shooting people in my songs. I talk about, you know, I'm tough girl in Chicago. I'm like, I'm never gonna be able to sell another record. But anyway, we had an argument, and I was like, no, make the cameras leave. Put them out. She was like, no, we had an argument for real. We gonna resolve it for real right here on. On. On camera. And I'm like, oh, my God. So when he was talking, I ended up crying, and. And I was like, oh, my God. This is gonna just ruin my whole life. But it just taught me that it's okay to. To be vulnerable. It's okay. I'm human. It's okay to have feelings. It's okay to express yourself, you know, and it's okay to open up a little, you know?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do either one of y' all think y' all were in love before each other, like, real love, now that y' all have each other and experience with you?

[Judy]

That's a good question. What you about to say?

[Da Brat]

Because you. You. When we was dating and had got back together, she had moved to Atlanta. She had a condo in Atlanta. And I was like. I had sat down next to her. I was like, you know what? Let me just fucking tell her. I was like, I think I'm. I think I'm in love with you. Like, I think I'm, like, falling in love with you. I think I, like, love you. She. And then she was like, I know I love you. So she trying to tell me she said it first. I said it first.

[Angela Yee]

But you saying you felt it first, but you didn't speak on it.

[Da Brat]

She lied. I felt it first. I felt it first.

[Judy]

But I didn't even say that. She just said that.

[Da Brat]

That's okay. You think you felt it before? I don't know.

[Judy]

I just don't know where you felt it. But his question is, do you feel like you ever had. That you were in love prior to now? Like, if. Or do you feel like our relationship.

[Da Brat]

I did think so before I thought I was in love. All the little relationships you get in, you be like, oh, I'm in love. I love them. I love him. But until I got this right here, I ain't never know what love was for real in real life. Like the way that she loves me. I've never felt anything like it in my whole life, in my whole relationship, in any relationship. So I'm very grateful for that. That's what made me be like, oh, I don't want nobody else. This is what I want. This is the real feeling right here. I had never felt the real feeling.

[Angela Yee]

That's amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about you, Judy?

[Judy]

I don't. I think I care for people deeply prior but I think this, I think our love taught me how to take two steps back and try to learn the person and learn their love language and learn, you know, how to stick it out and how to do the tough things and to also know that it's not always peaches and cream, you know, And I think I was. I'm happy that I didn't give up on it. Cause you know, they had some shitty shit that happens, you know.

[Da Brat]

Right.

[Angela Yee]

What did you both had to unlearn to be able to be in this marriage or to be, you know, with each other?

[Da Brat]

Unlearn?

[Judy]

I had to. I'm a gift giver, right. Like, and she likes acts of service. So I'm like, let me do this big extravagant thing. I've checked the box, so you know, I've done it. But she, she don't give a fuck how much it costs. She don't care if it costs a dollar or if it costs a million. She don't give a fuck about that. She cares about time. She would prefer time. Like the thing that we did recently, like that really moved her was I set up the movie theater and we put some pallets, like, I put some pillows on the floor, put some blankets on the floor, and it was me, her and our baby and she just absolutely loved that. She don't give a fuck if I do all of this extravagant shit and have all of the decor and have the private violinist. She don't give a shit about none of that. She just wanna be.

[Da Brat]

I do care.

[Judy]

She want the time. She want my phone down. She want, you know, But I know.

[DJ Envy]

Why that, that's cause she's an artist and she's been on the road since she was young. So now it's like you just went to town even now. Me and Charlamagne talk about it all the time. I just want to be home with the family.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me and Charlamagne do this all the time.

[DJ Envy]

I didn't say we'd be at the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Movie with the violin.

[DJ Envy]

Know what you were thinking?

[Judy]

I would say that we prefer time.

[DJ Envy]

With the family that means the most than anything else. Money doesn't matter. Just that time is everything.

[Angela Yee]

And Brett, what did you learn? Learn you felt like, I don't know.

[Da Brat]

I don't know if I were you.

[Angela Yee]

Ever toxic in previous relationships. What's something that you noticed that you did better in this relationship?

[Judy]

Yeah, like she. She tell me all the time, oh, you know, like, I'm so much better now.

[Da Brat]

Like.

[Judy]

Like cuz that. So sometimes I might have an inappropriate tone.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, you better watch your tone sometimes. That tone. That tone. When she talks, both of y' all.

[DJ Envy]

Tones could go there.

[Da Brat]

But I.

[Judy]

She feistier.

[Da Brat]

I bring my tone down. And Lord knows it took a long time to be able to do that. Cause I'm a Chi town bitch. And I'd be like, motherfucker, who the fuck you think you talking to, nigga? You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

And I'm sure she do the same thing with that New Orleans accent.

[Da Brat]

So when her voice goes up, I be like, babe, can you please bring your voice down? You're yelling. If both of us start yelling, it's gonna be a problem in here. So let's not do that. You know what I'm saying? And she'll bring it down a little, but then she'll go back up and then she'll walk the out. So then this ain't resolved. Whatever we was fussing about is not resolved. I hate that. And she can go do some other and be all right. I don't like that. I like to get it resolved because I don't like to go to bed mad. I think it's tomorrow. It's not promised, and I think we need to fix it. But she will go walk off and take some time and then go doing something. Go start doing something for like, Kaleidoscope or some other, and then put my little to the side while I'm still sitting over here upset, you know what I'm saying? But she doesn't start doing some other shit. So that's something we still working on.

[Judy]

Because she I. I prefer to digest. Because she. I prefer to digest. And then not only that, I don't want to. I don't want to talk to somebody when I'm angry because I know I. I know I could say something that cuts deep that I don't mean. My brain goes automatically to. You know how Cardi say, go to hell? I Go under hell.

[Da Brat]

So she never did that to me.

[Judy]

And I don't ever want to be in that situation where I have. I've also been in a relationship where I hit somebody first. And my ass don't know how to fight, so I don't even know I hit him. Forgot a black eye and everything.

[Da Brat]

That's. Cause when you get so mad, you get so mad just to see me. I'm serious.

[Judy]

I understand how to contain my anger and how to contain stuff. So I just walk away from the situation. And I learned how to compartmentalize. Like, I put it to the side, digest it, and try to talk about it later.

[Angela Yee]

How has motherhood helped with that, though?

[Da Brat]

Oh, my God. Motherhood is everything. I love, love, love, love being a mother. I love it. It's my everything like it is. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. It's the best thing that's ever happened to me. And I'm so blessed that God allowed me to have and carry a child at my age. I think motherhood has brought us closer, like, because she's a mother of three old, grown children already. I should say older children already. Like, she knows a lot of stuff, but she lets me lead when it comes to our son. So I love it. I, I, oh, my God. And it's brought us closer. It brings us closer. It makes our bond stronger.

[Angela Yee]

I think you are so in love with your son, Brad. I have seen y' all with him. Yeah. Did you ever see kids for yourself?

[Da Brat]

No, I ain't seen no kids. I ain't want to be married. I ain't see no kids because. And, you know, I grew up in church, so two women wasn't getting married growing up in church. That just wasn't happening, so. And it wasn't never, no, that I was so in love with that. I was like, oh, I'm gonna mar him. So I just thought it wasn't in the cards for me. I thought marriage or children was not in the cards for me, and I was cool with that. I was just content with living life.

[Judy]

However, go ahead.

[Da Brat]

And I wasn't looking for love like that. And that's when she ended up talking about some I'm, I'm interested or whatever. And then it grew from there. Just don't do that.

[DJ Envy]

How was pregnancy for you?

[Da Brat]

It was good. It was good. I didn't have, like, no pains. I didn't have no cravings. I didn't have. I didn't go into labor. I had a C section. Only thing, I had some carpal tunnel. My ankles swelled Up a little bit. And I really didn't have a bad pregnancy at all.

[Angela Yee]

Like your nose wasn't fat enough.

[Da Brat]

None of that happened.

[Judy]

Yeah, she didn't have no more than sickness or nothing. I was like, bitch, what is. What kind of magic, right?

[Da Brat]

Maybe it's because I was older or something, I don't know. But I didn't and I'm grateful.

[Angela Yee]

That's amazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We saw you with the custom jersey with the baby bump a few years ago. Whose idea was that?

[Judy]

You might. You be a mess. It was my idea. And. Okay, I'll take two steps back and say it might not have been the best choice. I mean, it was all over everywhere. I thought it was cute. Yeah, I thought it was cute.

[Da Brat]

She loved it too. Chicago Bulls. It was, you know, Michael Jordan. My.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was it comfortable?

[Da Brat]

Yes, absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So, Judy, you did that to a lot of her clothes? A lot of clothes.

[Da Brat]

Absolutely. No, just that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Da Brat]

Charlamagne business. That was my very last performance. Dr. Jackie was like, you can't go nowhere else. This is your last performance and you shouldn't do this one. So she wanted to make it like super duper special because that was the last time I could fly or perform before I had the baby.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to go back to what y' all was talking about when y' all talking about just having little conflicts. Like, how do you handle conflict now versus when y' all first got together? Like in the beginning of y' all relationship.

[Da Brat]

We still a work in progress. She still will walk the fuck away when we. When we have a disagreement. And I still will be wanting to fix it. Sometimes we fix it and sometimes we go to sleep and we sleeping on the edge of the bed. So, you know, we still a work in progress.

[Judy]

I think it's better than it was, though. Cause before it just would be the yucky feeling. Like it would be yucky. Like we would talk about it, but then talking. That's another thing that happened. We talk about it, but talking about it didn't get to resolve. I feel like now that I've learned how you are, You've learned how to. How I am. I think we've been able to.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, we just don't be mad in the middle of the day, like, but it still be there until we decide to talk about it. We just learn how to keep doing stuff throughout the day.

[Judy]

Right. But even the disagreements, I think it's almost like kind of how y' all listen. We was in our mommy and me room and our son, I think he tripped over something. She's in the bathroom right there. And she's like, what you did to my son. What did I do? And I no, but in that moment, and instead of choosing to be like, bitch who? You realize that that's our child. I had to take two steps back and like, you know, she's new mom. This is whatever. I was like, that's beautiful. He tripped over that thing right there. So I think it's just, you know, being intentional about considering where the person is coming from at the time, you know, that you approach with hostility.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do that too, Brad. I ain't gonna lie. I'll be like, don't talk to my daughters. Like, I was wondering.

[DJ Envy]

You say you let her lead with the baby. Why? Because you've done it before. You know the mistakes. You know that why you let her leave?

[Judy]

I want her to continue to have a great experience as a mom. I don't want her to feel like she's making bad decisions. I want her to make a decision based off of her feelings. Because your gut instinct is always good. I feel like oftentimes when you have the opinion first, like the thing that she does in our relationship. Whatever I want is what we doing.

[Da Brat]

I hate when you say that shit because remind me of coming to fucking America. Whatever you like.

[Judy]

That's true. I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's we buying a car, we buying a house, where we go to eat. It's whatever I want. And so I wanted to make sure that in this, that it's specifically how she wants it. Now if it's something that I feel like beautiful. He not supposed to have have this much juice during the day. I will have a conversation with her that, hey, I think we should probably look at how much juice he's drinking. Maybe we should, you know, maybe you should look it up and see what's the intake or ask the doctor. But I'm not going to be like, you know, gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What does marriage look like for you two? On the days when love feels more.

[Da Brat]

Like work than anything else, That's a lot of days it just looked like work that day. You know, she's on the computer and the phone 247 and. Well, and then sometimes, you know, in between there, we do. We get to spend time with our son. But then I have to make calls and then I have to work, so it just be work, you know, and at the end of the day or night time, when we get to, you know, pillow talk and our son asleep, you know, we spend Time with each other then. But other than that, work is work. You got to get the work done. You got to pay the bills and get done.

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna ask, how does. I'm sorry. How does sexy time work? Right. So. Because you got to keep it sexy. You got to keep it spicy.

[Da Brat]

But we have.

[DJ Envy]

We have date night work and all that. I have date night.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, we have date nights. And then we have the night time when he sleep and we have any time when he sleeps.

[Judy]

Yeah. Intentional stuff.

[Da Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

Like the one time I tried to role play with her, she was so lost. She was so. Okay. I text her, now you gotta tell.

[DJ Envy]

Me what the role play was.

[Judy]

I was a stripper. And then I had to realize she don't really like strippers anyway. That kind of probably was. Anyway, so I text her and I said, I'm about to text you as somebody else. She was like. And I was like, I had a great time last night. Maybe we could link up up at a hotel later in the week. And she's like, what? What are you talking about? But eventually she got it right. So I set up the hotel like we. There was this hotel that we used to go to all the time when I used to come down here. So I set up something at a hotel, had the. You know, the roses and all the rest of that. I prepared a little dance and she got in the room and she didn't even let me do the dance.

[Da Brat]

I had to tear that thing up. I didn't even get through.

[Judy]

I was like, I could have did the 1, 2.

[Da Brat]

I didn't know it was supposed to be a dance. Man.

[Angela Yee]

She prayed.

[Da Brat]

I poured a little liquor. I had got a polar camera, like.

[Judy]

So she could take pictures and do.

[Da Brat]

All the things I saw that I didn't know there was supposed to be like a schedule.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you rent a poll too?

[Judy]

No, but she.

[Da Brat]

She had on some fly ass. I was like, damn, the heels, the fish nets, the lingerie, the.

[Judy]

I had the stuff to feed her. Ain't none of that shit happened.

[Da Brat]

Damn characters and all kind of shit. I grabbed some of them grapes and it was like, let's get to it.

[Judy]

That's so cool.

[Da Brat]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think it's one misconception about your relationship that the book finally clears up.

[Judy]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Da Brat]

Oh, that's a good question. I don't know. Let me see. What's any misconception, though?

[Judy]

They think I run.

[Da Brat]

They do sound like you do just a little bit. I better have her way. I, I, I like that, you know, I like that in every relationship I've had, I've pretty much ran. And, and I, I like for her to run. I think it's absolutely cute. And I love the fact that she's such a boss that she can run. Yeah. And I ask her everything. Like I need her advice forever. She does run. Pretty much ask her. I ask her advice for everything. She know how to handle money better than me. So I asked what should I do with xyz, you know, so, yeah, that, that is absolutely right. She do run, but I let her run.

[State Farm Announcer]

Shit.

[Da Brat]

I, you know, and I like that, that I don't want her to do anything in the house. I don't want her to wash a dish. I don't want her to have to cook, but she loves to cook. I don't want to have to her to wash clothes. I don't want her to do. I do all that. I love doing that, man. I love a good turkey burger. I love, I love what's, what's my, I love salmon patties. Oh, I love salmon patties. Yeah. I make, I make quite a few things. You know what I'm saying? My, my grandfather was a chef before he passed away. And both of my grandmothers could really cook a lot. But my wife cooks too. To. But I don't be wanting her to have to do nothing. She do so much work and she'd be so busy and consumed with the business and having to run that like, I don't ever want a business. I don't ever want to be the CEO of a business. I see the things she has to go through and the is, it's a lot, you know, when you have a lot of different people working for you and one thing falls short, it falls on you and you have to know how to do that thing as well. So she got to know how to do a million things, make sure the money right make sure the people doing what they doing. Make sure the. The bottles are right. She got to sniff the products and smell it and make sure, like, it is so much. And. And it is. It's. It's a lot.

[Angela Yee]

So I will say I'm. I'm very proud of you, Jasmine. Like, you have built your business from the ground up and been doing this for years and years. My niece was one of your. What would you call it, Ambassador for. Yeah, an influencer for Kaleidoscope Man. So I just.

[Da Brat]

And she started that from her phone. That's why I can't say about her phone, her phone, or her computer. Like, she has to be on those things to run the business. So, yeah, she had. Getting the flowers. Don't give her no flowers.

[DJ Envy]

Don't give her no flowers.

[Da Brat]

She hates it. She hates it. She don't know how to take it.

[Judy]

Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

You deserve it.

[Da Brat]

I tell her all the time, like.

[DJ Envy]

Do you sit back and look at the things that.

[Da Brat]

The things that you've done, the things that you do, people.

[Angela Yee]

Why are you like that, though? What about, like, why don't you like accepting your flowers? Why don't you, like, when the spotlight is on you, obviously, you know, giving you recognition for what you built.

[Judy]

I feel like a big part of my purpose here on the world is like, to give to other people. So it's just hard to receive. So as a person that's a natural giver, enjoys giving and not just saying it like, I enjoy giving, it's. It's hard to receive because that's. I enjoy the other side of it. I enjoy giving. Yeah, the compliment.

[Angela Yee]

Has that ever affected your marriage or your relationship prior to getting married that she doesn't. She's not open to receiving.

[Judy]

I had to learn how to. With her. I had to learn how to receive better with her, but she had to do the same.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, she hated getting gifts too. So, yeah, when we was first dating or whatever, I was at the studio recording with JD and all of a sudden, here comes her assistant with, like, like 15 Fendi bags. And I'm like, what? Where. Where they going with that stuff? And it was all for me. And I. I made them take it all back.

[Judy]

Like, I was like, I don't.

[Da Brat]

All I want is you. I don't need a Fendi bag. A backpack, a jacket, a shoe. I don't need. All I want is you. And I think to make her happy, I kept a pair of shades and that was it.

[Angela Yee]

And then I made you fall more in love with her.

[Judy]

Yeah. Because every time she tried to give me something back, I wanted to tint it. I wanted to. To up it. I want. Oh, you don't want that.

[Da Brat]

And as you know, she's upset.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why did you feel like everything you had to give was material, though?

[Judy]

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like that. But if. If I'm going doing something for myself, I'm gonna make sure to do it for you as well. If they. If they were already out getting something for me, grab 10 things for her. So that's. That's what it was. And I wanted to surprise her with something. I wanted her to feel special. I wanted. You know.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Judy]

So I don't think that everything got to be material. But it's just if I'm doing something, you know, I might as well give.

[Angela Yee]

Her not to go back back. Cause this is about y' all now. But have you ever been in a relationship where somebody has taken advantage of that?

[Judy]

She. And I think that's why she's like that. Cause she knows that. Yeah.

[Da Brat]

Yeah.

[Judy]

So.

[Da Brat]

Yes.

[Judy]

But I don't. But I'm not gonna say it's a trauma. Cause I feel like anything that I've ever given, God has blessed me with 100 times. So whatever the person then did, she's so sweet.

[Da Brat]

And people take advantage, and I hate it.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Da Brat]

And even to this day, there's people that take advantage. But I can't say shit because she runs a business. And I have to just. That's what I had to learn to fall back and just be quiet. But that shit is hard when you see and you know, somebody over your wife or they taking advantage of her, or they doing. They ain't supposed to do. Man, you want to go bop they ass like you want to be like, I'm gonna get my lip back for my wife. I don't. I'm. I don't. I don't say anything. I. I'm so much better that I smile in faces that I know them you over. And that's very hard for me. Very hard.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. I got fan mail. Somebody with me to ask you to. Brat. They crazy. Do you consider yourself a humble stud?

[Da Brat]

No. I am not a stud. I love fingernails. I love makeup. I love panty and bra sets. Lace. Pretty. La Perla, period. Like, I. You know, I'm not a student, but I don't have a problem with studs. I got a lot of stud friends. And shout out to the studs of America. You know what I'm saying? But that is not who I am.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Da Brat]

I don't put a label on myself, period.

[DJ Envy]

You know, I wanted to ask one question. This has nothing to do with relationship.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me neither. I want to talk hip hop.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Da Brat]

Okay, let's go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I have a question.

[DJ Envy]

JD Was here and he talks about the time you almost got him killed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, when you kidnapped Mariah.

[DJ Envy]

When you kidnapped Mariah Carey. Break that story down like, so what.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If he died, he died.

[Da Brat]

If he died, he died. No, you know, he took us to her house. I think we were filming a video and. Or either we just went, maybe. I think we filmed. I can't remember, but we went there a few times. When she came out, I think this was my first time meeting her. We was hanging out. She was super cool. We instantly had chemistry in jail and we was laughing about shit, cracking jokes on people. Like, it was just like we had knew each other forever. So she was showing me around the house and she was telling me, me sh. Because in some rooms, like the closet, in certain places, they had microphones in the wall. So she would tell me, you know, when is a good time to talk about and when it was not or whatever. So, you know, she showed me her cars and it was like 15 cars in the garage. Now, mind you, I ain't never seen this type of before. I just been to JD House to seen his riches. I ain't seen else. So I'm at Mariah's house who lived next door to Ralph Lauren with Tommy Mottola. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, so she had a fleet of cars in the garage. And I'm like like, whose cards is these? She was like, they mine? I said, well, let's go. I said, what's near here? And she was like, there's a Burger King up. She. I was like, let's go get some fries. So we get in the car.

[DJ Envy]

What car?

[Da Brat]

Now, I think it was a Cadillac. It was like a pink, old, old school, pink Cadillac. Everything was shined up and brand new. No scratches. It was just clean. I was like, oh, my God in heaven. So we gets out. She never told me she don't drive or she never took the. She never really drove the cars, Tommy, I guess just bought them for. They just sit there. So we in the car, we riding, she driving. I'm chilling. I'm like, yes, I'm having a good time. We playing music. And then all of a sudden, my. My phone started blowing up. I think we had the Sky Tales or something back then. And JD Was like, get back here right now, Brad. I don't know what y' all doing, but you need to get back here. They need you back right now. I'm like, nigga, no. We going to Burger King up the street. What is wrong with you? We going a mile up the street to Burger King. So I see and wanna see you, nigga, when I get back. He kept blowing me up like, brett, no, you don't understand. I need you to get back. I didn't know they had the guns out where JD Was at, making him tell me to get her back here. I'm like, it ain't me that was gone. Mariah wanted to go, too. She the one that drove. So, yeah, that's what happened. So it was Mariah.

[Angela Yee]

Peoples like, it's Tommy Mottola.

[Da Brat]

Tommy Mottola.

[DJ Envy]

They thought they were kidnapping Mariah. So did y' all get the Burger King?

[Da Brat]

Yeah, we got the Burger King and got them fries. But when we came back, they took her away. And I was like, oh, my God. I felt like. Like she was in trouble. Like, Tommy Mottola. It was. She was really like a princess in the castle. Like, it was like on Shrek when the Princess Fiona was in the castle and could not, you know. And honestly, when we was in the house, anytime she would laugh, anytime she would look like she was having fun, security would come get her. Like, it was. It was. It was a horrible but good experience for me, but I hated seeing her like that. But I think in a lot of ways, when we talked and stuff, she got to vent and express herself. We both are Aries. We Both are eternally 12, you know what I'm saying? We started to go. She started to send the helicopter and stuff. We. To go to Disney World and just fly. One ride. One ride and come back just to, like, relax and stuff. Like, she was really, like, trapped in that relationship, and it was horrible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I had to eat the fries at least.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, we ate the fries on the way. Yeah, on the way back. We ate him in the car.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now, when people say that brat was the first female rapper to go platinum, what part of that achievement do you feel still doesn't get fully respected?

[Da Brat]

I think I stopped caring. Charlamagne. It is what it is. That's what I did. That is who I am. It can't be changed. Nobody else can be the first female rapper to ever sell a million records solo. Salt N Pepper was the first group group. And I stopped caring about it a long time ago.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a game changer.

[Da Brat]

Yeah. But what I'm gonna do, everywhere I go, ask for respect or ask that. Nobody forgets that. Forget. And. And it is what it is. And I'm not gonna, you know, wear it on a T shirt every day. Like, I know what I did. And if. If people know, they know. And if they don't, they don't. Like, there's nothing I could do about people not respecting that. People don't have respect these days anymore. That's not a thing that. That. That happens like it used to.

[DJ Envy]

Does it bother you at all? Because a lot of times when they mention female MCs, I feel like they don't mention a brat enough.

[Da Brat]

They probably don't, but it don't bother me. It don't bother me. Like, I'll see some stuff and I'll be like, oh, they ain't put me in that. But I don't be, like, mad or offended. It is what it is. You know, people didn't know and respect me and love and appreciate what I did. They love and respect me and appreciate what I did. But those that don't, them, they can look at it in the history books or find out when they hear it because it's there. It'll be there forever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You also helped make space for, like, women who didn't fit the industry's idea, I guess, of feminine. Do you feel acknowledged for that?

[Da Brat]

Nope, I don't really feel acknowledged for anything. I know when I came, when I was coming out as a rapper, MC Light, I looked up the MC Light because I saw myself in her and, you know, Cha Cha Cha and all MC Light songs. I just wanted to be like MC Light. And then Moni Love came along and she rapped fast. And we rap fast in Chicago because of Twister. Like, Twister was my. Twister is my number one goat, in my opinion. I grew up wanting to be twisted. He was in the Guinness Book of World Records. He rapped fast. So I patterned my style after Twister. And then when Snoop came out, I fell in love with Snoop. And then it was the whole Funkadelic thing. And then when me and JD Got in the studio, we did Funk the Flag.

[DJ Envy]

I always wanted to know how was working with Big man.

[Da Brat]

Oh, man, Biggie was everything he was. He was a big old teddy bear. Big old teddy bear. Smoked his back out. Just was sweet to everybody. Had plenty. They talking about. He talking about black, nasty, them love some Biggie. Biggie had some hoes. I be like, damn, Biggie, how you get that one? I'm saying. And when we was in the studio, I had never seen somebody not write their lyrics down. Down. That was the first time I had saw that because I was. We was doing the B side, a song I got with Biggie, and we was at JD's and I was writing my licks. I'm like, I'm finna beat this. I'm right my licks. I'm almost done. He's sitting there smoking. He ain't gonna be. We're gonna be waiting on him. So when I was almost finished, I was like, big, yo, what's up? Where your verse at? He's like, oh, I'm done. I said, you ain't even write it down. You ain't got no pen and pad. He's like, no, I'm done. I said, you ain't done. You just saying that. You're trying to put some pressure on me. He went in the studio, in the booth and laid his verse down. And I was pissed. Like, ah, you really. You memorize that you smoked two pounds of weed just now and you memorized that and went in the booth and did it. So that was one of the amazing things about him, besides his heart. Like, Biggie was a really, really good dude and wanted to help everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did y' all connect his people? Cuz I. I even heard, I think Jay Z a while ago was saying how Big wanted everybody to move to Atlanta. And it's like, he used to play you and JD real close. Y' all was in each other's videos even when y' all weren't on songs together. Like, how did y' all become such cool people?

[Da Brat]

Through jd. Okay, through jd. I think when he was working on the remix for. Was it. It was a remix for Juicy, I think. And on the remix, that's my voice saying, true. Cause JD did the remix or whatever. So ever since then, me and Big just was just cool. We instantly clicked. Him and JD instantly clicked. And we all just hung out and stayed friends, checked on each other, visited each other, looked out for each other, you know, smoked all the time, whether it was in New York or la, LA or Atlanta. Like, just cool people. It's good people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The reason I. I think you should get more credit for, you know, being the first solo rapper to go platinum as a woman is because you were authentic in an era that they. They would tell us wasn't ready for it. Like, everything that they said, you, I guess, shouldn't be as a woman rapper. Yeah, you were.

[Da Brat]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you got rewarded for it.

[Da Brat]

Yep. Even JD told me, don't expect to, you know, only expect to go gold. Because. Cause female rappers pretty much go gold, so it shocked both of us when I went platinum. But, you know, I was just grateful. I didn't even really care about accolades. I just wanted the world to know me, you know, I wanted to do videos and be on TV and be famous and be able to take care of my grandmothers, you know, which I got a chance to do before they passed. So that's all I wanted.

[DJ Envy]

How are you and JD So tight? Still, like, you always see that type of business relationship always mess up, but you're always. Still like big sis to any of the artists on that label. How are y'?

[Da Brat]

All still tired type man? J.D. never. He's always looked out for me and always genuinely loved me. He never tried to cross me. He never did no sneaky. He never had no parties that got me in trouble or no like that. He never even invited me. He never even let me go to the parties. He always, like, looked out, like, when I first came around. He didn't want me even going to the club or hanging out or nothing. He just wanted me to work. And he taught me a valuable lesson. Example. The song give it to you. You. I wanted to go out that night. I wanted to go to Magic City. I had from Chicago. I used to go to. Going to strip clubs. I wanted to see some and throw some money in the air, eat some shrimp and all that. Good. So I go out to the club. I come back, him and Chris Kelly rest his soul. From Crisscross. They had wrote give it to you. And I was so mad because it was such a hit and I could not. I didn't. I couldn't change nothing. And that taught me, stay your ass in and work. Do not go out. So jd he has a way of teaching you valuable lessons by the things that he does, and I really appreciate that, and I'm grateful for that. He's always looked out for me and been like, the best big brother I could ever have. And still today, I don't make decisions in the industry or anything that I do without asking him, without running it past him. We don't get to see each other that much because I've been mommy and stuff and he been super busy. But I love that we text each other every single day. We check on each other. We tell each other I love you every single day. Same with Mariah. Like, I just think it's important to let your friends know how you feel about them. Like I said, tomorrow's not promised, and you want to make sure that you give love to those who love you and who support you.

[Angela Yee]

So that's why you don't like strip clubs, huh? That's why you don't like strip clubs. Because the first time you went, you missed.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, I'm. Yep.

[DJ Envy]

How you did with Bow Wow. I seen you yell at Bow Wow a couple of times.

[Judy]

She like, big sister.

[Da Brat]

You know? Bow, he be doing his own thing. Like, Bow is just a different type of character. I love him to death, but when he fall by the wayside, I gotta get in his ass. And that's just the bottom line. Like, if he do something crazy, and I'll be like, what the is you doing? Like, we not doing that. Don't do that. When him and JD Go at it, I don't like it. I don't like it because without JD none of us would be where we are. If JD didn't sign us and put us on so. So Death and put his energy into us, we would not be here. So when he gets into it with JD I don't like it. I don't give a. If they like father and son and all of that, that's all fine. But don't disrespect him. Like, don't do that, because he's the reason you are where you are. Now. You might have got somewhere with Snoop, but Snoop brought you to J.D. which means he trusted J.D. with. With you. So I just feel like he should never disrespect him. And when he crosses that line, it pisses me off, and I gotta tell him. Or when he does something stupid, I gotta tell him. I'm that girl that's gonna tell him. I'm not the one that's gonna be like, it's okay, pal. No, that's not me.

[Angela Yee]

And I love that because it still comes from a place of love.

[Da Brat]

It's like discipline.

[Angela Yee]

And then turn around and let you know you love him because. Because even on the show, I think it was growing up hip hop, I used to always get in his ass when he'll have his little temper tantrums and everybody else around him be. No, it's okay. Here go Da Brat. Look shut shit together. I love and respect that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is this version of the Brat with Judy the version of you that the world didn't get to see because the times weren't ready?

[Da Brat]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be vulnerable back then. I was just gonna be the person I rapped about, and that was like my alter ego. The Chicago that'll you up, the Chicago that grew up defending myself. That's who I rapped about being. That's who the brat is. You know what I'm saying? But with my beautiful, it's just like, you know, since I had my son, I just feel like my heart is just cracked open. Like, I just, you know, I can cry at the drop of a dime. I watch a movie and cry. Watch the Notebook the other day, start crying. Seen the movie 10 times, but I still cry. Like. Like, yeah. So this is the. The to Shantae, you know, that. That the world does not know. And I think that's awesome that I had that to save. Plus, the bitch was in the closet for so long, you know, I had a lot that was hidden anyway. So when it comes to love and relationships and vulnerability, I owe that all to my beautiful for bringing that out.

[DJ Envy]

How difficult was it to do Morning Radio? Because you were probably one of the first artists that said, you know what? I'm gonna put rapping to the side for a little bit and start doing the media side. How difficult was that?

[Da Brat]

It wasn't difficult at all. Like, I really enjoy it. I really enjoy it. Like, I. I just get to talk. Like, we just sit here and talk and make money, and it's so natural. You know, some people can't do it, but we can do it. We're blessed to, you know, to have the talent to do it. And it's so easy for us. So it was. It was easy because every time I used to go to. To Ricky Smiley and. And do, like, drops and stuff, and I would just knock it out. They would be like, damn, have you ever thought about doing radio? And I'm like, no, I haven't. But, you know, he was like, you should come in, you know, and we gonna. We gonna see about you getting in. So I was like, okay. So when I did it, it was easy, and it's a blessing. I've been doing it for like, 10, 15 years now, and it's just so easy.

[DJ Envy]

I love when you curse people out. I heard a prank that they try to do on you, right? And the prank was.

[Angela Yee]

It was.

[DJ Envy]

It was Brad had a day off, right? And Ricky Smiley and the crew would call her every five minutes and ask her for something. And it got to the point that the third time, it was like, yo, yo, motherfucker, stop fucking call. Like, it was like, you could tell it wasn't script. You would have to go to HR after that. The way she cursed me out so bad.

[Da Brat]

But I was trying not to. The first few times I was you know, I tried to keep my cool. Cause I'm like, okay, maybe they need something. That's work I need. Then after a while, it's like, mother, why the fuck do y' all keep calling me? I'll be back. Leave me the fuck alone. Today is my off day.

[DJ Envy]

Yo, she spaz on him like, spaz crazy. I bet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I loved when the brat was hitting on Wendy, and Wendy had.

[DJ Envy]

Wendy who? Williams. Hey, yo, Wendy Williams.

[Da Brat]

You already know. When the hell was this? You already know.

[DJ Envy]

What the hell are you doing?

[Da Brat]

You already know. When we did our interview, she tried to say I hit on her. And I had to be like, no, I love you. You're a nice person. You cool. But you are not the type of. I would holler at.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You are not so funny, man.

[Da Brat]

I was trying to figure out a way to nicely put her down. Like, girl, don't do that. I ain't never tried to her. She talking about she had receipts. I said, I got the same phone bitch that I've been having for years. I got receipts, too. I show you we can compare. Cause I a. You ain't heard shit like. Like that for me. I never tried to holler.

[DJ Envy]

When was this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, back in the day, back 2021, when it was on, when she had a TV show.

[Da Brat]

Yeah, she interviewed me. Talking about I tried to holler. I'm like, no, I didn't. You was not gonna do that to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If readers can take just one truth away from the way love goes, what do you hope it is?

[Judy]

Go ahead, beautiful. Oh, I'm sorry. That it's never too late for love and not to give up on it. And it finds you when you stop looking for it. That's what I think.

[Da Brat]

Okay. Judy is so cold.

[Angela Yee]

I see them chill bumps from over here. That girl was like, listen, it's cold as hell in here.

[Judy]

I said that when I came.

[Angela Yee]

I know.

[Judy]

I don't understand how y' all live in snow.

[Da Brat]

I think they should take away that. Communication is very important. If you got situations in the beginning of the relationship, tell them. Keep. Be transparent in the beginning. You know what I'm saying? Because that was a mistake that I made that I could have lost what I have now. So I don't want anybody to ever lose the opportunity by lying or not coming clean in the beginning. And give that person a choice to decide if they still want to wait for you or not. Because if they really with you and if it's meant to be, they will.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Da Brat]

So. And what else? Make your come 11 times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

God damn. 11 win at one. Time at one. Hold on now. 11 times win in one. At one session.

[Angela Yee]

In one session.

[Judy]

Yeah.

[Da Brat]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. If he didn't make his. His. If he didn't make his wife do it for 10 years.

[DJ Envy]

Not 10 years. I met my wife when I was 16, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wrote it in the book.

[DJ Envy]

But we met when we were 16. So she was my number one, right? So when I. We used to watch think about sex. I never had the birds and bees conversation. F you.

[Da Brat]

I don't care.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I never heard how to brat make her do it 11 times.

[DJ Envy]

What wound up happening is I would watch porn, right? And when you watch porn, you see bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, right? And I could not make her reach orgasm from sex. From the mouth. Yes. So it took me a while until we started learning our bodies and we started having the conversations. But that was when I was 16 and it wasn't 10 years.

[Da Brat]

She is a strong one. That's fair.

[Judy]

And the crazy part. The crazy part is, is she loves. She's a giver. So she loves to give. I'm talking she will. Cause you can't just back to back. You gotta do it. Then give me six, seven minutes.

[Angela Yee]

Give a little break, right?

[Judy]

And then we can start again. Now that I'm thinking about this, did you want the world to know your skills or something? Yeah.

[Da Brat]

What you mean?

[Judy]

Like why you put this in the book?

[Da Brat]

Uh.

[State Farm Announcer]

Oh.

[Da Brat]

Cause we was talking about it. We was talking about sex. And that is like. Well, I only did that once.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell me the name of the toy.

[Judy]

Guys so I can find.

[Da Brat]

It's no toy.

[Judy]

Yeah, it was no toy. Now I will tell you be up though. But at the end of the day, you be fucked up because that. Take it.

[Da Brat]

You don't walk right. You don't walk right.

[Judy]

You don't walk right. But I think it's unfair though. Cause she doesn't. She doesn't give me the opportunity to do that to her like.

[Da Brat]

And the one she's over with one good one.

[Judy]

But she makes me. I'm talking. She will fall asleep.

[Da Brat]

I ain't no good at Brad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You really a nigga, man. That should have been your rap. Named A.

[DJ Envy]

Ladies and gentlemen, the Way Love Goes. A guide to building a beautiful and everlasting relationship to Brat and Judy. Thank y' all so much for joining us.

[Da Brat]

Thank you for having us.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Woke up, wake you up. Wake you up.

[DJ Envy]

Wake that ass up.

[Da Brat]

Program your Alarm to Power 105.1 on.

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