INTERVIEW: Doechii Talks New Project, Kendrick's Praise, Bisexuality, Sobriety + More

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Interview with Doechii

Episode Title: INTERVIEW: Doechii Talks New Project, Kendrick's Praise, Bisexuality, Sobriety + More
Release Date: December 6, 2024
Host: DJ Envy and Charlamagne Tha God
Guest: Doechii
Knowledge Cutoff: October 2023

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Breakfast Club, hosts DJ Envy and Charlamagne Tha God sit down with rising hip-hop artist Doechii to delve into her latest projects, personal journey, and the various facets of her burgeoning career. The conversation navigates through her artistic evolution, personal struggles, and the recognition she's been receiving from industry heavyweights like Kendrick Lamar and Beyoncé.

Career and Recent Successes

Doechii opens up about her whirlwind year filled with significant milestones. She shares her excitement over a recent Grammy nomination and receiving the Hip Hop Disruptor Award.

[03:44] Jessie Woo: "You were receiving a Hip Hop Disruptor award."
[03:47] Doechii: "They just made that. You know, it's real."

These accolades underscore her impact on the hip-hop scene and validate her innovative approach to music.

New Project: "Alligator Bites Never Heal"

The centerpiece of the discussion revolves around Doechii's new mixtape, "Alligator Bites Never Heal." Charlamagne probes into the meaning behind the title, leading Doechii to explain its deep, spiritual significance.

[04:34] Doechii: "It's about the never-ending cycle of life... patterns... accepting that there's always going to be more to discover about yourself."

She elaborates on the metaphorical nature of the title, emphasizing themes of continuous personal growth and healing.

Artistic Identity: Rapper vs. Overall Artist

Doechii reflects on her identity within the music industry, acknowledging herself primarily as a rapper but also as an overall artist.

[04:05] Doechii: "I think an overall artist. But first, a rapper for sure."

This duality highlights her versatility and commitment to evolving her sound beyond traditional genre boundaries.

Inspirations and Collaborations

The conversation shifts to the high-profile praise she's received from influential artists:

• Kendrick Lamar: Doechii discusses receiving what she describes as Kendrick's "hardest out," signifying his respect for her work.

  [10:53] Doechii: "He did say that he had the same feeling that he did when Kendrick dropped Section 80."

• Beyoncé: She shares her admiration for Beyoncé and the validation she feels from being recognized by such a global superstar.

  [28:02] Doechii: "She did. That was crazy."

These endorsements not only elevate her status but also inspire her to continue pushing artistic boundaries.

Personal Growth: Bisexuality

Doechii candidly discusses her bisexuality, addressing societal perceptions and personal experiences in her relationships.

[08:16] Doechii: "I’m bisexual. That’s cool. I’ve dated a bisexual man."

She emphasizes the importance of honesty and acceptance in relationships, challenging the double standards often faced by bisexual individuals.

Sobriety and Personal Struggle

A significant portion of the interview focuses on Doechii’s journey to sobriety. She recounts her past reliance on alcohol and partying as a coping mechanism and her decision to embrace sobriety to reconnect with her true self.

[06:09] Doechii: "I was always drunk, always drinking, always partying... I need to sober up."

She credits music as her new therapeutic outlet, allowing her to channel her experiences and emotions into her art.

[25:42] Doechii: "The new crutch is music. I am...sobriety. It feels better to be sober right now."

Relationships and Support Systems

Doechii highlights the unwavering support from her family and the importance of her relationship with fellow artist Scissors. She speaks highly of TDE's artist development approach, which fosters growth and collaboration among its members.

[36:47] Charlamagne tha God: "She seems like the type of person you could talk to about everything you're experiencing now."
[36:51] Doechii: "Absolutely. I could call her...which is fire."

This camaraderie within her support network plays a crucial role in her personal and professional development.

Mental Health and Anxiety

Addressing the pressures of fame, Doechii shares her strategies for managing anxiety and maintaining mental health. She emphasizes the importance of grounding herself and setting boundaries to preserve her well-being.

[35:11] Doechii: "I'm trying to ground myself right now...I need to calm down, you're safe."

By utilizing tools like Do Not Disturb (DND) and prioritizing "me time," she effectively balances her public persona with her personal needs.

Music and Artistic Vision

Doechii discusses her commitment to authenticity in her music, aiming to reflect real-life experiences and emotions rather than succumbing to industry pressures for materialism and distraction.

[26:30] Doechii: "I think especially in hip hop right now, it should be reflecting real life situations and real things that are going on."

Her dedication to truthful storytelling resonates through her lyrics, setting her apart in a saturated market.

Conclusion

The interview wraps up with a celebration of Doechii’s achievements and her unique place in the music industry. Hosts DJ Envy and Charlamagne praise her for her resilience, artistic integrity, and the impactful messages she conveys through her music. Doechii’s journey of self-discovery, coupled with her professional successes and personal growth, positions her as a formidable force in contemporary hip-hop.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• On Sobriety:

  [07:04] Charlamagne tha God: "When did you get to that point, though?"
  [07:10] Doechii: "I have to make a change... let's make the album Bada Bing, Bada Boom."

• On Bisexuality:

  [08:34] Doechii: "I'm bisexual. That's cool. I've dated a bisexual man."

• On Artistic Authenticity:

  [26:30] Doechii: "I think especially in hip hop right now, it should be reflecting real life situations..."

• On Mental Health:

  [35:26] Doechii: "No, I find myself... trying to ground myself."

• On Music as Therapy:

  [25:42] Doechii: "The new crutch is music. I am...sobriety. It feels better to be sober right now."

Final Thoughts

Doechii’s candid and heartfelt responses provide listeners with an in-depth understanding of her as both an artist and an individual. Her commitment to personal growth, artistic integrity, and mental health serves as an inspiring narrative for aspiring artists and fans alike. This episode of The Breakfast Club not only spotlights Doechii’s impressive career trajectory but also underscores the importance of authenticity and resilience in the face of fame.

Transcript

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy.

[Dochi]

Jess.

[DJ Envy]

Hilarious. Charlamagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. And we got a special guest in the building that came in here so delightful and bright and nice, ladies and gentlemen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She was lying.

[DJ Envy]

She was not lying, ladies and gentlemen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Definitely came in lying.

[DJ Envy]

She was not lying, ladies and gentlemen. Dolce's here.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Good morning, Dolce.

[Dochi]

What's up, baby?

[Charlamagne tha God]

How are you?

[Dochi]

Good morning. I'm great, man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It feel good to see you.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because the last time you was here, no label reps were with you.

[DJ Envy]

Nope, none of you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But when you see the whole label here with you, that's when you know you really doing good. So congratulations.

[Dochi]

Thank you. Thank you so much. It has been a while. I think last time I was talking about fighting, it was a lot going on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you get a call after that? Did that person call you?

[Dochi]

Oh, my God. They didn't call me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Dochi]

They didn't call me, but it doesn't matter. We don't need to discuss it. I learned my lesson from last year. That's just not.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How much has life changed?

[Dochi]

It's changed. I mean, a lot. I've been nonstop, like on the go. I've been really, really busy, in a good way, performing a lot. I just got off tour, which is incredible. Grammy nom. You know, a lot of very well deserved by. A lot of things have been happening. I feel good.

[Jessie Woo]

You were receiving a Hip Hop Disruptor award.

[Dochi]

Yes.

[Jessie Woo]

How that feel?

[Dochi]

They just made that. You know, it's real. When they gotta make a name, right? They gotta make an award.

[Jessie Woo]

You in a lane of your own.

[Dochi]

It feels good. I mean, I'm just like, wow, Hip Hop Disruptor. That. That resonates with me heavily. Feels good.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Do you consider yourself just a rapper, though?

[Dochi]

I think an overall artist. But first, a rapper for sure.

[DJ Envy]

From Tampa. Remember we talking about artists from Tampa, Florida.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah, but Dolce's sound is just different.

[Jessie Woo]

When I listen to her, I don't know where she from.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She just.

[Jessie Woo]

The galaxy is different.

[Dochi]

Thank you.

[Jessie Woo]

I will always say Spooky Coochie is my favorite song. I know you ain't talking about Alligator Bites Never Heal, but like, girl, that's my jam.

[Dochi]

Thank you.

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Let's talk about the name of the album.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Or mixtape. Is a mixtape. Or album.

[Dochi]

Mixtape.

[DJ Envy]

Mixtape. Alligator Bites Never Heal.

[Dochi]

Yes. Why?

[DJ Envy]

Why is the name of that? And you talk about it all the time, but this is a different group. This is A group of people.

[Dochi]

I know. I mean, today it's like, it's about this never ending cycle of life of you always have a series of truths that you have to constantly come to within yourself over and over again. It's about patterns essentially. It's like when you get over one hurdle and you cool in, then you have another one to jump in and it's another one. And it's just about accepting that there's always going to be more to discover about yourself. There's always going to be more things to dislike about yourself or like about yourself the more you go on in life. And that's what it's about. Ultimately, you'll always be wounded in some type of way, and then you'll always heal.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, when did. When did you get bit by an alligator?

[Dochi]

Chill.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And why did it never heal?

[Dochi]

Chill.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you go to the doctor? Did you even try to go to a hospital to see.

[Dochi]

I have never been bitten by an alligator. Okay. I would hope that would never happen to me, but I'd be around him all the time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Cause you from Tampa? Yeah, Florida. What came up with that? Even that concept, like, just to. Even the. I don't know what you call it. A metaphor or whatever.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What made you come up with that?

[Dochi]

I don't know. It really was deeply spiritual. It just came to me. Like, I always had the name before I even had a project put together. I was like, one day I'm gonna do a project. It's gonna be called Alligator Bites Never Heal. And the music will make sense with it one day.

[Jessie Woo]

Oh, so you've been thought of this?

[Dochi]

Yes, ma'am.

[DJ Envy]

Now you talk about changing and things that you like about yourself and don't like about yourself.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

What did you see that, that you didn't like about yourself?

[Dochi]

I think when I was creating this project, I was always drunk, always drinking, always partying. And I couldn't recognize myself at all because I wasn't really myself. I was intoxicated. Whether I'm smoking, I'm drinking, or whatever. And I wasn't liking the person that was reflecting back at me. And I was like, okay, I think it's time to like, sober up. And I need to just get away from people and figure out who am I right now? Because I feel like I was carrying this version of myself that I had been since I was like 2021, you know what I mean? And it was no longer serving who I was to become. And when it was no longer serving me, I was like, okay, let's make A change. And I felt heavily inspired, and I made the album Bada Bing, Bada Boom. Now I'm in a theater suit, you know.

[Charlamagne tha God]

When did you get to that point, though? Cause, you know, in Denial Is a River, you talk about that a lot. You talk about, you know, being in, I guess, that. That. That. That dark period, but, you know, also being caught up in the fast lane of being a rapper. So you had to be lying to yourself for a while. The name of Denial is a River. When you get to the point where you was like, you know what? I am kind of fucked up out here.

[Dochi]

I don't think I was ever lying to myself. Denial is a River. I titled it that because I was dealing with somebody who was lying to themselves. But anyways, I came to that point when I realized that I couldn't create music without drinking in the studio. And that was my breaking point, where I was like, oh, I have truly forgotten the source of my creativity, the source of who I am. And I'm looking for things outside of me to be myself. That's weird.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did Wendy Williams influence the Niles Room?

[Dochi]

Yeah, that quote.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So you was in a situation like that?

[Dochi]

Yeah. Well.

[DJ Envy]

Don'T say that again.

[Dochi]

Like that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Dochi]

Isn't it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I mean, no, not in 2024.

[Jessie Woo]

Not really.

[Dochi]

That's not shocking.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No. How do you deal with that? When a person.

[Dochi]

When you find that out, I mean, that it's. That was never the problem. I think the problem was that you cheated on me. You also could have let me know up front, you know, what your style was. I'm bisexual. That's cool. I've dated a bisexual man.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No problem. It's different when it's a man.

[Dochi]

Let me know what it is up front. Yeah, let me know what it is up front. I'll accept you for who you are. It doesn't really matter. I think it's like cheating on top of lying in secrecy about just who you are as a person.

[DJ Envy]

So you wouldn't have a problem dating or you dated a bisexual man.

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[Charlamagne tha God]

That's what the song is about.

[Dochi]

It's like, how can I be bisexual? And then I'm gonna not date somebody who el. Who's bisexual. Why? Because he's a man?

[DJ Envy]

Because people look at it differently. People look at it differently in this world. It's okay for another woman to be with another woman, but for a man to be with another man? People look at that differently in a bisexual relationship.

[Dochi]

Absolutely not. I hear that all the time. I don't see it that way. I really don't. I think that sexuality is fluid, and.

[Jessie Woo]

I really don't give a damn because then that's contradicting.

[Dochi]

It is.

[Jessie Woo]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Dochi]

Yeah. How could I sit up here and be bisexual and be like, oh, no, he bisexual. I can't, girl. Whatever.

[Jessie Woo]

So what's your relationship like now? Because I saw where you said you have a girlfriend now.

[Dochi]

Yeah, Wonderful.

[Jessie Woo]

Oh, she giddy?

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Does she trust you?

[Dochi]

Oh, my God. Yeah. I would hope so. Jesus. Yes, she does.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. Okay. Okay. I love the fact that you also name songs after things that I love. Because I'm from the South.

[Dochi]

You literally look like you just don't age. You look fantastic, by the way.

[DJ Envy]

That's a goddamn vibe.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Tell me more.

[Dochi]

Okay. As you were saying.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But no, you. You named. You named the songs after things that I love. Like boiled peanuts.

[Dochi]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Catfish.

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[Dochi]

Where you from?

[Charlamagne tha God]

South Carolina. Hey, come on now.

[Dochi]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Talking about fireflies, like, what made you pay homage to those things?

[Dochi]

Just the little things that I like in Florida, the little things that make up the swamp. Just things that I think are cool.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Even bullfrogs. You gotta be from the country to even know what a bullfrog is.

[Dochi]

Yeah, I hate those things.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I've never. I only hear.

[Jessie Woo]

Know what that is?

[Dochi]

I've seen them.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Yo, you people in the south like, the little.

[Jessie Woo]

I know. I'm lying over here like fireflies.

[Dochi]

You people beautiful. O.

[DJ Envy]

What you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You showing off your white side. We don't want to hear you say no more. Speaking of that. Speaking of that, Kendrick send you the hardest out?

[Dochi]

He did.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How that make you feel?

[Dochi]

That was great. It's Kendrick. I was like, God damn. Yeah. He didn't say she hard. He said the hardest out period with a period. And men don't even be using periods, so that's a big deal.

[Jessie Woo]

These. They do.

[Dochi]

But.

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Has he given you that validation off. Offline, too? Like, just.

[Dochi]

We've actually never met in person. I haven't. I haven't met him in person yet, but he has given me my props publicly, which is incredible. And the day I meet him, ciao. It's going to be a really good.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Had y'all spoke before that or. So you've never even spoken?

[Dochi]

I've never met Kendrick.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Never met him, never spoke to him. No, nothing. He just randomly posted. Wow.

[Jessie Woo]

And you were signed to TDE for four years and you didn't drop. You didn't drop anything with him?

[Dochi]

No, I didn't. It Took me a really, really long time to figure out the direction of where I wanted to go with my music. And I think that we were dropping singles, and it's like it had. Time had been. Time had gone by, and I was trying to discover who I was musically through singles, and I couldn't discover that through a full body project. And I was like, I need to drop a mixtape and get something out so that I can have a project to measure up to. You know, you have artists that are single artists, and then you have artists that are, like, conceptual album artists. And I think that I'm that type of artist.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely.

[Dochi]

And I could. Couldn't see that because I had never dropped a project before. So it was like four years went by. I got 10 singles out. I was like, listen, we gotta let something go as soon as possible.

[Charlamagne tha God]

But, yeah, was it a fight? Was top and Punch like, against it or.

[Dochi]

No, I don't think that. I actually don't work with Punch, but okay. But no, it's not that they were against it. It was just a lot of back and forth about what it is that I wanted to say. And do we. Do we want to go this direction? Do we want to go that direction? Do I want pop? Do I want it? What type of artist do I want to be? And it took me a minute to kind of figure that out.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How big is TDE that you don't.

[Dochi]

Work or Punch, I mean, punches heavily in with SZA, and, I mean, SZA's a global superstar. She's busy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So SZA shows you mad love, though.

[Dochi]

Yeah. That's my girl. That's my girl. She's incredible.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So when you're creating, it's just you in the studio? Like.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wow.

[Jessie Woo]

Damn. Yeah, that's even.

[Dochi]

No, I don't like anybody in the studio.

[DJ Envy]

Now, there's. There's rumors that, you know, you haven't met Kendrick, but there's rumors that you're going to be meeting him soon because they said that you possibly are going out on tour with Kendrick and Scissors. Is there any truth to that?

[Charlamagne tha God]

You can lie about everything else, but you can't keep that one.

[Dochi]

Y'all, please. I have not met Kendrick. I don't know what Kendrick has up his sleeve. I don't know what's to come, but I know that I am prepared to receive any opportunity that comes my way. But truly, I have no idea.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I heard you on his deluxe album or the next project he was dropping.

[Dochi]

I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm on it. I ain't never Even met him. I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

Y'all can send records back and forth.

[Dochi]

I have no idea where he has us sleeve. I don't know what's going on.

[Jessie Woo]

You going to the Super Bowl?

[Dochi]

I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

You performing at the Super Bowl.

[Dochi]

I have no idea what is going on.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I love your song bloom too. And you talk about, you know, constantly neglecting important aspects of your life, like checking on your family, making time for yourself. You've only gotten more busy, you know, you're only getting more money. So how are you, you know, balancing those things now?

[Dochi]

I am balancing them. Listen, I use DND to the fullest of my potential. When I'm off work, I am truly off work. That's how I have my balance. When I have my me time, that's my me time. And if I need three days where it's nothing and nobody, I'm gonna take that time. So that's how I keep my balance. It's just shutting everybody out when I need me time.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Has family gotten more aggressive? Cause they, you know, they aggressive. I mean, you're more visible now. Like, people see you now. A lot of people talking about you, and, you know, sometimes they think that you got more than you got.

[Dochi]

People's families get aggressive.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, yeah. Like, let me get it. We used to be $100.

[DJ Envy]

Especially about the holiday season.

[Nissan Advertiser]

What about the holiday season?

[Dochi]

Nah, not my family. Not my family. Our family's very, very supportive of me. They hold me down like, big time. I was just at my Tampa show. My entire family came. Like, half my family was the goddamn audience. I was like, y'all are pushing my fans out the way, so. Nah.

[Jessie Woo]

Did your label really tell you not to put out so much rap back to back?

[Dochi]

Who said that?

[Jessie Woo]

Online. There's a bunch of stuff online. Yeah.

[Dochi]

Rap to rap back to back.

[Jessie Woo]

Like, no. Not to put out so much rap back to back. Like, not to so much hip hop music. So much. Yeah. No, they didn't. People be lying.

[Dochi]

Why would they not want me to rap?

[Jessie Woo]

That's the point. I don't know. I just. I seen it. I wanted to hear it from your mouth.

[Dochi]

Yeah. No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Do you still have a Nissan Ultima?

[DJ Envy]

Hell, no.

[Dochi]

No. But it's crazy. I actually just. I got rid of it. The video that we shot, that was when I got rid of it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Why would you get rid of it?

[Dochi]

That was the first car that the label got me. When I first got here, I didn't have a car, and they got me.

[DJ Envy]

The label bought you a Nissan Altima. When you got to New York?

[Dochi]

He got me a Nissan Altima.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Altima. What year was it?

[Dochi]

He didn't buy me a Nissan, Al.

[Charlamagne tha God]

He just said, drive this.

[Dochi]

They gave me a Nissan. I didn't have a car. I didn't have no money. It was like, look, little lady, you need to take it easy. You got to crawl for your balls.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's. That's good, though.

[Dochi]

Gave me a Nissan. I crashed it. It was horrible.

[DJ Envy]

And that's the reason they gave you that damn drive?

[Dochi]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Damn it.

[Dochi]

I had never had a car before either. And I. I didn't drive.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So wait a minute. Come on now. Explain this to me again.

[Dochi]

When I. Before, I got. I never had a car before, okay? And I didn't drive. So I came here and I was like, I need to learn how to drive, and I need a car. I need to get around. So they were like, here, you can just try your best with this one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did you have a license?

[Dochi]

It was horrible. I did have a license.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Dochi]

But I didn't drive.

[DJ Envy]

How'd you crash in New York?

[Dochi]

What you mean in New York?

[Charlamagne tha God]

From the country. It was a culture shock when I first started driving LA. Oh, LA.

[Dochi]

Okay, LA. LA is stressful driving. It's too much. I get anxiety even to this day. I don't drive. It's too much. But, yeah, I wrecked the car. It was horrible.

[Jessie Woo]

So it's. Look, no, they said they didn't want a ton of hard rap songs back to back. Like, they wanted you to spread them out.

[DJ Envy]

Just like, you gonna learn this rumor.

[Jessie Woo]

This is what they saying. So. All right, all right. So she said no. All right.

[Dochi]

No, no, no. No CD is going to always push me and want me to rap. Like, that's the core of the label.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So on the song Nissan Ultima, you say she's munching on the box while she watching Hulu?

[Dochi]

Absolutely.

[Jessie Woo]

How she do.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So who's. Who's. You know, I'm old, so you got to school me. When you say she, you talking about she's munching the box while she watching Hulu. But she watching Hulu is you.

[DJ Envy]

It could be more than two girls.

[Dochi]

It could be. Yeah, you never know. You don't know what's going on. It's a lot of girls in there. It could be two, it could be three, it could be six.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because if she watching Hulu, how she munching the box at the same time.

[DJ Envy]

It could be one.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You gotta focus.

[Dochi]

That's not true.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, she's terrible. At her job.

[Dochi]

Women can multitask.

[Jessie Woo]

You got to do a visual for this song.

[Dochi]

Women can multitask. You would be surprised what can go down in these lesbian relationships. You can do a lot. You could save world hunger and still eat the box at the same time.

[Jessie Woo]

I know that's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

Nah, it's just interesting. That's why I said I love the titles of your songs because it's like. It's clearly just a feeling, right? Like, you write these records, and you're like, what does this record feel like? Yeah, this record feels like a Nissan Ultima.

[Dochi]

Mm. It does. I was like. Cause that record, to me, it feels like when you, like, freestyling with your girls and you just smoking in the car and y'all freestyling, that's what it gives me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I also wondered, too, with tde, was there ever, like. I don't want to say pushback, but it's like they have a scissor, right? So it's like, if you started. When you do like to sing sometimes, do they ever discourage you from doing that? Like, no.

[Dochi]

Just stick to never, never. They don't. My label does not bother me in the studio. Like, I don't like people in the studio with me. I like to record alone. I'm by myself. Nobody's interrupting me. It's just like, do your thing. I sing. I sing. I got what it is. That's nothing. That's a full singing song. There's no rap on there. Like, whatever.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The reason I asked is on Boombap, you was like, I just can't sing a little bit.

[Dochi]

No, because literally, I felt like with Boom Bap, it was like I'm internalizing all of the chatter that I'm getting from fans, from haters, from major label, from the guys. Like, oh, yeah, we really like when you rap. Nah, we really like when you sing. She should keep doing the pop. She should keep doing this. And I was just too focused on what everybody else wanted for Dolce versus what Dolce wanted for Dolce. Is that a diamond tester?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yes.

[Dochi]

All right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You know, these rappers come in here with the fake jersey.

[Dochi]

Y'all check. Y'all clocking up.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Damn right.

[Dochi]

What? That's scary. That's gotta be some form of bullying.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It is.

[Jessie Woo]

He just checked my ring the other day.

[Dochi]

Like, what? You see his ring?

[Jessie Woo]

Crazy. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

I wanted to ask, too.

[Charlamagne tha God]

She checked that.

[DJ Envy]

Now, you talked earlier about, you know, you were drinking and you using drugs and alcohol as a crutch, right? When performing, were you nervous about doing this project? Not drinking? Like, is it gonna. Am I gonna sound the same? Am I gonna sound good?

[Dochi]

I was terrified. I was terrified because I was like, I don't know if people want to hear these dark topics. I don't know if anybody wants to hear this right now. I feel like there was a period in music where everybody was like, shut up with that consciousness. Don't nobody wanna hear all that people just wanna have fun right now. We got out of COVID Don't nobody wanna be sad. Da da da da. And I was like, I don't want my fans to listen to my music and be sad. I want them to feel good about themselves. But it's also like, if I'm. I have to make music for therapy for myself, otherwise I'm doing it for the wrong reasons. And then I was like, well, this is my truth. This is where I am in my life right now. Somebody else gotta be dealing with this shit too. And even if they not, I don't.

[DJ Envy]

Give a fuck what became the new crutch or if there is a new crutch. Like, usually people get rid of drinking and they smoke, or they get rid of smoke and they start having sex or they watch this like, what's the new crutch? If there is one, knock it off.

[Dochi]

I think the new crutch is music. I am. I don't vape, I don't smoke nicotine. I don't do none of. At least right now, in this season of my life. Because what works for me now is what works for me now. I might run right back to the bottle when I turn 30, who knows? And that's my business. But I think that this serves me and my new crutch is just my music and sobriety. It feels better to be sober right now.

[DJ Envy]

Gotcha.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't think your generation knows how courageous y'all are. And what I mean by that is it's like, you know, for us, we weren't talking about mental health. We weren't talking about anxiety, we weren't talking about depression. But, you know, you get older, you start doing the work on yourself. We didn't have nobody providing those soundtracks for us. But it's like now it's the you, it's the Kendricks, it's the rhapsody. Like, y'all are not afraid to put that type of stuff in y'all in your music.

[Dochi]

Yeah, I think that is important too. I feel like especially in hip hop right now, it should be reflecting real life situations and real things that are going on. I feel like there is a overload of distractions and materialism and things like that. We need to balance it with that heart and that consciousness and a self awareness, and that's what I'm contributing right now. I'm gonna be popping ass soon though.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So you say that. What was that song on MPH where you say, I could give him the conscious shit, but I'm too busy, so.

[Dochi]

It'S like there's so many layers to me as a woman, and I'm gonna express them all, all the time. I'm never going to box myself in, like, oh, I'm only going to talk about this. I'm only going to. This is real rap. Because you talk about that. That's not true. I just think that I'm telling my truth right now, and this is my truth, but I'm not righteous. Lock it.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, the yin and the yang of life is righteousness and righteousness. Oh, it's the perfect balance.

[Dochi]

I like that.

[Jessie Woo]

You got anybody you want to collaborate with? Like, you just. It's been a dream.

[Charlamagne tha God]

No, I'm hoping right now I don't give a shit about nothing y'all got going on.

[Dochi]

Nah, nah, nah. I think that I've gotten all my collaborations that I want. That Tyler one really did it for me. That was, like, top of my list. I have always wanted to collaborate with Tyler, the creator. I have my collab. Oh, Beyonce and Kendrick Lamar got you top collaborations. Other than that, I'm cooling.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Beyonce gave you props, too. She listed you as one of her favorites.

[Dochi]

She did. That was crazy.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Have you met her?

[Dochi]

I haven't.

[Charlamagne tha God]

God damn.

[DJ Envy]

You stay in the house?

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Did you speak to anybody?

[Dochi]

I stay in the house.

[Jessie Woo]

But you performed in LA for Renaissance, right?

[Dochi]

I did.

[Jessie Woo]

And. Okay. You just still didn't get to meet.

[Dochi]

Her, but now she didn't meet.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Jessie Woo]

Cause I heard a lot about your performance. It was lit and everything, and I thought you would have been popping bottles in the back.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Jessie Woo]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What time did you go on that you didn't meet Beyonce?

[Dochi]

So you didn't even see her? We got that opportunity kind of last minute. I think it may have. I found out, what, a day or two days before the show or something. And again, global superstars, super busy woman. She has her children with her on tour. She don't got time, like, you know what I mean? But I think in the. When it's the right time, we'll meet each other.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Does that recognition and validation mean anything.

[Dochi]

To you from Beyonce? Absolutely.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[Dochi]

Absolutely. I trust her to pick the best talent and the best people that she's. She surrounds herself with. When I went and I opened up her production team, Flawless, her team was incredible. So I knew her inviting me was validation that I'm doing something right and I'm performing to some level of excellence, which was incredible.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How do you deal with your anxiety now? Cause, you know the crowd's only gonna get bigger, a lot more Eyeballs on you. And, you know, sometimes when I see you out, it feels like, I guess that's your bodyguard. You always. It's like you're always holding his hand. Is that like your safety blanket?

[Dochi]

I just don't like people too close to me, and that's all. I think I just hold his hand so that we can move through the crowd. Because sometimes you can just chill.

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So what are you doing to just deal with the anxiety in general, like, before you hit the stage?

[Dochi]

I don't feel any anxiety when I'm on stage or when I'm at shows or. I like this environment. I like my job. I fuck with it. Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What about interviews?

[Dochi]

Hello? Interviews? No, I'm just kidding. I like interviews. This interview, however, made me a little. I was like, I don't know why.

[Charlamagne tha God]

You'Ve been at work.

[Dochi]

You're a bit unpredictable. Yeah, you're a little unpredictable on that.

[Jessie Woo]

Side of the room.

[DJ Envy]

But last time you said we had a great time.

[Dochi]

It was great. It was great. But I was like, I don't. I don't know. You know, I don't know what type of headspace he gonna be on, you know?

[Charlamagne tha God]

Did he take his meds?

[Dochi]

I don't know where he gonna be.

[DJ Envy]

At with it, but I feel that every morning.

[Dochi]

Good.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Top Dog said that alligator bison never healing. He said it had the same vibe as Section 80.

[Dochi]

He did say that. He said he had the same feeling that he did when Kendrick dropped section 80.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Meaning, like, this is. This is our next superstar.

[Dochi]

I won't speak for him, but I.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Told him that, though. He sent me. He sent me the album a while. Like, a while before it came out.

[Dochi]

And I was just like, what'd you think about it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I said, she's out. I was on the air talking about it. I was like, y'all heard, don't you? She's out of here. Like. Like, I literally was like, yo, she's out of here. Like, thank you. She got it.

[Jessie Woo]

Give you props of it, like, all the time.

[Dochi]

And I want to say thank you, Jess, because you do. You always give me my props. Everything that you have said about me is just. You always esteem me, and I really appreciate it. Even before all the hype, you was like, I fuck with Dochi.

[Jessie Woo]

That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah. She loved that Stinky Poochie record.

[Jessie Woo]

First of all, it's not a Stinky.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, no. Stanky Poohika. Just record on the new one called Stanky Poopy Stinky.

[Dochi]

Yes. That's a real Southern thing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Was that like your nickname growing up or something? Is it true that you completed this project a month before it was released?

[Dochi]

Absolutely.

[Jessie Woo]

Damn.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That's all it took.

[Dochi]

No, I needed it. It was something in my spirit that was like, you need to drop this. This project now. If you don't drop this project now, you gonna miss the mark. And I was like, I got to get this out right now. I don't know why, but God was just tugging on my spirit, like, it's time to go.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, I love that.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How often do you. I know it's a stupid question, but how often do you listen to the spirit of God? Because sometimes God will tell you to move and we don't move.

[Dochi]

I only. I'm only not listening to the spirit of God when I am distracted internally. That's why I keep telling y'all. This sobriety thing, I hear from God better when I'm sober and I'm clear minded. So it's like I only veer off of that when I distract myself with other things outside of me.

[Charlamagne tha God]

And sometimes those other things are people. Humans.

[Dochi]

No.

[Charlamagne tha God]

That are with you. When you watching Hulu.

[DJ Envy]

How does it feel when you talk about all the albums that came out this year and they talk about yours as being one of the top five of the best? When they talk about Kendrick's album, your album. What's some of the other albums you named this week? When you talk about the albums came in and her album was like, top five of the best albums that came out this year. Glow, Realism.

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah. Glorize.

[DJ Envy]

How does it feel to be on the top of those lists when it comes to putting out music? Because that's what you do it for. You want people to receive it well. So how does that feel?

[Dochi]

Yeah, feels like they're accurate. They're right. It should be there. It feels really, really good.

[DJ Envy]

You ever feel a moment of. They didn't understand at first and now people are starting to get it.

[Dochi]

I think people are still kind of trying to get it.

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah.

[Dochi]

Still. I don't know. Yeah, I've kind of felt like niche at first. Like, I think people are just kind of like, what's. What's her vibe? What's going on? She's in underwear, she's rapping about this. I don't really get this girl tape on her face. And they're trying to figure it out. I don't know.

[Jessie Woo]

But you do this thing like you. You capture somebody's attention. You make people want to pay attention more because that. That's How I got onto you. I'm like, dang, like, what is this? Like, you know, you are different. That's why I didn't know you were from Tampa till they just was saying it, because you can't put you in a specific place. Like you. You know, and then your. Your projects before, nothing sounds like the previous one. Like, you. You offer so many different, like, a variety of sounds. So I think the fact that they're trying to catch on, that's still good. That's what you want, because you don't fall in the box with nobody else.

[Dochi]

I think that it's like a little alien. They have to, like, you have to digest it. And I think you need context because you'll listen to one song, but then you'll listen to another. And it's like, when you listen to the full project, I think it comes together for people. You kind of got to dive into something.

[Jessie Woo]

So animated.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I think it's dope that they can't put you in a box. Like, if you listen to a song like Alter Ego or Nissan Ultima, you like, what is this? Who is this? I think it's just hard for people because in order to get an understanding, you have to say, oh, well, you know, she sounds like this or she sounds like that. So people know what to expect. But I think not knowing what they expect is even better.

[Dochi]

Yeah, I agree. I think that my goal is to eventually just be in my own lane, my own thing. It's kind of like what I admired about Missy Elliot. When she came out, it was like, Missy Elliott rapped and sing, but she rapped in a way that was just. She's just Missy, you know what I mean? She kind of, like, separated herself, and I think that's the goal.

[Charlamagne tha God]

What type of conversations is Dolce you having with herself nowadays? Are you, Are you? Are you, Are you safe with yourself?

[Dochi]

I am. A lot of the conversations that I'm having is I'm trying to.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Say the right thing in interviews.

[Dochi]

No, I find myself. I'm trying to ground myself right now. It's kind of like a lot of things are happening at once. And that happened to me when I first got signed, and it overwhelmed me. And I'm trying to learn from that and ground myself. I feel like I'm walking on a cloud, like on air, and I need to ground myself constantly and be like, okay, calm down, you're safe. Good things are happening. And because good things are happening, it doesn't mean that something bad is going to happen. This is okay. And that's what I'm practicing.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How do you process your mistakes nowadays?

[Dochi]

Through my music and through honesty and admitting that I made a damn mistake and then talking about it in my music. I don't like secrets.

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah.

[Dochi]

And I have to tell my business on wax. I don't know.

[Jessie Woo]

Have you and Azalea bank spoke since that last.

[Dochi]

Absolutely.

[Jessie Woo]

Back and forth. Yeah.

[Dochi]

No.

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Jessie Woo]

It seemed like you ain't even wanted to be a beef because it's like, nah.

[Dochi]

But, yeah, I know. That tea is stale.

[Jessie Woo]

It's like, what?

[Dochi]

Yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's whatever. You know?

[Jessie Woo]

Yeah. Now back to what I was saying. They were saying that.

[Charlamagne tha God]

All right.

[Jessie Woo]

Don't worry about it.

[Dochi]

Okay.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Have you met Scissor?

[Dochi]

Yeah, of course.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Don't say of course.

[Dochi]

We were just on stage at Flognaw.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay. Because she seems like the type of person that you could talk to.

[Dochi]

Yes.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Because y'all have had a similar trajectory. It's something. It's something.

[Dochi]

Really.

[Charlamagne tha God]

The reason I say that is because I love the way TDE does it with their artists. I know it may seem frustrating to the artist, but it feels like they're one of the last few people who actually do artist development. So you watch these people grow and then become these big superstars.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

So she seems like the type of person you could talk to about everything you're experiencing now.

[Dochi]

Absolutely. I could call her, and I could talk to her about the simplest things, or I could call her and be like, I'm having an existential crisis. And she'll be like, what's up? Don't you.

[Jessie Woo]

That's dope.

[Dochi]

So I. It feels good to just know that, like, I. I still can do that. And she knows she can do the same with me, which is fire.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Oh, we know Dochi is busy.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Well, they told us she had to be out here at a certain time.

[DJ Envy]

Let's play a joint off there. What you want to hear?

[Dochi]

I want to hear gtfo.

[DJ Envy]

Gtfo.

[Dochi]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Let's get into it right now. And we appreciate you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

How you pronounce that name? Cunt Fetish.

[Dochi]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

It says. How do you pronounce it?

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't know, man.

[Dochi]

She's so fired.

[Charlamagne tha God]

It could have been Kunta Fetish.

[Dochi]

Y'all. Check out Confetti. Shout out to her. I'm gonna give her a spotlight in her moment. Check out her music. She's really dope.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

Ladies and gentlemen, it's Dochi. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Wake that ass. Up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

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