INTERVIEW: Dr. Cheyenne Bryant Talks New Book ‘Live Your Promise’, Healed Bonds & Marriages, Her Doctorate Degree, Ignoring Negativity + More

Summary

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The Breakfast Club – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant Talks "Live Your Promise," Healed Bonds & Marriages, Credentials, Ignoring Negativity, and More

Date: May 12, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, Lauren Laros
Guest: Dr. Cheyenne Bryant

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Episode Overview

This engaging episode of The Breakfast Club features Dr. Cheyenne Bryant, renowned psychology expert and life coach, discussing her new book Live Your Promise, her professional journey, handling public criticism, her approach to healing and relationships, and clarifying her academic credentials. Candidly addressing controversy around her degree and online backlash, Dr. Bryant unpacks her perspective on authenticity, setting boundaries, emotional intelligence, and the importance of staying true to oneself. The conversation is warm, celebratory, and at times unfiltered, spotlighting both personal triumphs and industry challenges.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Dr. Bryant's Approach to Life, Career, and Public Persona

[02:47–05:18]

• Recounts humorous party moments with DJ Envy to show relatability and versatility beyond her professional image.
• Discusses owning one's individuality and agency, especially as a successful Black woman who faces frequent judgment, especially on appearance and choices.
• Insights on refusing to chase the approval of those determined not to understand or like her:
  • Quote: “My goal is not to sit up here and try to convince folks who have already made up their mind to either misunderstand me or dislike me to like me. ... You live in dogma, and dogma will eat your ass up alive.” — Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [04:12]

2. Handling Backlash and Industry Critique

[05:18–08:20]

• DJ Envy notes she is frequently attacked, especially by others in her field.
• Dr. Bryant sees criticism as part of success, particularly for Black women excelling against the odds.
• She introduces the idea of “pretty privilege” and “pretty punishment,” expressing the complexities faced by attractive, successful women.
  • Quote: “People don't always want to occupy your space. They want your territory.” — Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [05:43]
• Emphasizes that external attention does not shake her belief in her purpose.

3. Creating Her Own Lane: Healing & Credentials

[08:20–16:36]

• Dr. Bryant’s focus is service, healing, and empowerment, not fame or fitting traditional professional molds.
• Explains her fieldwork, background (including NAACP and other service roles), and the nature of her psychology/life coaching services.
• Opens up about criticism regarding her credentials, her “non-traditional” route (not being a licensed therapist), and being a disruptor who created a new lane.
  • Quote: “I've always been the woman that said, hey, if everyone's doing left, then I want to go create right.” [13:02]
• She distinguishes between Marriage and Family Therapist (MFT), Licensed MFT (LMFT), and her academic and honorary degrees.

4. Licensing, Ethics, and Her Approach to Helping

[16:36–21:25]

• Shares why she chose not to pursue licensure: flexibility, ability to connect deeply, and use loving, boundary-breaking approaches not always permitted in traditional therapy.
  • Quote: “My approach as a life coach, I’m very loving, I’m very nurturing. I hug, I say I love you at the end of our sessions. And those small things... have been life changing for my clients.” [17:03]
• Emphasizes that everyone—client or practitioner—should find the lane best suited for their needs and gifts.
• Her effectiveness is rooted in deep empathy, self-awareness, and commitment to authenticity.

5. Responding to Criticisms About Personal Experience

[21:25–23:49]

• Addresses the critique: “How can she coach marriages or families, when not married/having kids?”
• Clarifies she doesn’t teach people how to be married, but teaches how “happy, healed people make happy, healed marriages” by first addressing one’s own traumas and issues.
  • Quote: “I teach you... how do you process through your trauma so you don't bleed on your wife.” [22:06]

6. Healing, Sabotage, and Personal Growth

[24:06–31:00]

• Discusses healing from abandonment and self-sabotage and teaching others the tools that worked for her.
• Notes “love” as a key, transformative factor; shares how past relationships enabled rather than challenged her dysfunction, inspiring her to grow.
  • Quote: “If you don’t have love, healing is nearly impossible. ... You’ll be a mansion that's homeless.” [31:05]

7. Boundaries in Love

[32:28–34:52]

• Explains the importance of boundaries and mutual self-respect in loving relationships.
• Stresses the need for partners to love themselves enough to set boundaries, rather than enable negative behaviors.
  • Quote: “You just can't talk to me like that because that emasculates me, and I'm vertical in who I am. ... You cannot emasculate me, meaning shrink me, and expect me to be big enough to carry you.” [33:11]

8. Mother Wounds, Trauma Bonds, and Relationship Patterns

[34:52–38:32]

• Expands discussion on unaddressed “mother wounds” among Black women, and how that impacts relationships.
• Explores complex motivations behind behaviors like becoming a “side chick,” emphasizing that trauma isn’t always just about fathers or men.
  • Quote: “Sometimes, women are saying, if I could be with this married man and hurt his wife, then it's my way of saying, ‘F all women,’ because my mother is a woman who I despise.” [35:25–37:11]

9. Polyamorous Relationships and Healing

[37:11–38:38]

• Clarifies her stance on polyamory: it’s a valid lifestyle if chosen honestly and with mutual consent, but deception causes harm.
• Personal preference is monogamy, because she is “territorial,” but doesn’t judge others’ consensual choices.

10. Live Your Promise: Book Structure and Principles

[38:32–41:00]

• The book is divided into three parts: thinking, feeling, behavior.
• Emphasizes “alignment” as the key to manifestation and healthy living.
  • Quote: “If a person can't govern their emotions, they can't govern anything. ... Your emotions create your appetite. ... Our behaviors are the only thing that creates results.” [39:03]
• Includes toolkits at the end of each chapter for implementation.

11. Walking the Walk: Using Her Own Tools Every Day

[41:00–42:50]

• Dr. Bryant says she constantly practices what she preaches, including meditation and faith-based principles for emotional regulation.

12. The Doctorate Degree Controversy

[42:50–48:48]

• Addresses critics questioning her doctorate from Argosy University after claims that the dissertation is unfindable:
  • School was accredited when she attended and completed her program; it later shut down, and third-party records only held for two years.
  • She kept personal copies of her syllabi and transcripts but official verification is now impossible due to school closure.
• Stresses that she could pursue licensure based on her master’s credentials if she chose, reinforcing the point that her academic background is sound.
  • Quote: “If I chose to go get a license... I have my hours. I can just take that and say, hey, let me submit these... I don't need a doctorate... to get licensed.” [46:24]

13. Impact of Online Criticism on Career & Personal Life

[48:48–55:20]

• Despite criticism, her career and client roster are thriving; controversy only brings more clients and recognition.
• Shares gratitude for support from friends, clients, and industry colleagues (including a shoutout to Charlamagne Tha God for supporting her book).
  • Quote: “Most people knew who I was. But for the ones who didn't, they now know. ... Good or bad attention is still good attention when you have a brand.” [48:48]
• Cites advice from Shaquille O’Neal: “Good or bad attention ... you want it all.” [53:42]
• Explains that great success attracts criticism, referencing Oprah, Tyler Perry, and the Kardashians as examples.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You can't miss what's yours. ... I just show up and be me.” – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [05:43]
• “There's pretty privilege, but I've learned there's also pretty punishment.” – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [08:36]
• “I've always been the woman that said, hey, if everyone's doing left, then I want to go create right.” – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [13:02]
• “If you can't govern your emotions, you can't govern anything.” – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [39:03]
• “You can't have what God has given me. It don't work like that.” – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [22:08]
• “Good or bad attention is still good attention when you have a brand.” – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [48:48]
• “You don’t put in all this work to get here and then live in fucking dogma. ... I'm gonna still run my plays the way I want to.” – Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [55:39–57:50]

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Key Timestamps

• Relatability & Image: [02:47–05:18]
• Handling Criticism: [05:18–08:20]
• Credentials & Becoming a Life Coach: [08:20–16:36]
• Why She Isn't Licensed: [16:36–21:25]
• Response to “Not Being Married/Parental” Critique: [21:25–23:49]
• Healing Trauma/Self-Sabotage: [24:06–31:00]
• Boundaries in Love: [32:28–34:52]
• Mother Wounds & Trauma Bonds: [34:52–38:32]
• Polyamory & Relationships: [37:11–38:38]
• Book Structure (Thinking, Feeling, Behavior): [38:32–41:00]
• Daily Practice & Faith: [41:00–42:50]
• Degree Controversy & Transcript Issues: [42:50–48:48]
• Criticism as Free Marketing: [48:48–55:20]
• Success, Jealousy, "Running My Plays": [55:20–57:50]

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Final Thoughts

Throughout the episode, Dr. Cheyenne Bryant remains unapologetically herself, drawing from faith, personal experience, and a commitment to healing while navigating controversy and criticism. She passionately believes that authenticity, boundaries, and self-work are the foundation for both personal and relational success. Her new book, Live Your Promise, distills these lessons for anyone seeking a roadmap to self-healing and fulfillment.

Closing Words:
“You know I'm gonna come here and bring the truth.” — Dr. Cheyenne Bryant [58:00]

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Transcript

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[Robert Smigel]

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[Clifford Taylor IV]

What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor iv, and on my podcast, the Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff like being an Internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Time out. Look, quarterback on off is blue 42. Hey, Rhett, my mama wants you to wave at her.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Clifford Taylor IV]

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[Dr. Maya Shankar]

Hey, I'm Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist and host of the podcast A Slight Change of Plans, A show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wish that I hadn't resisted for

[Dr. Maya Shankar]

so long the need to.

[DJ Envy]

We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can have opinions, you can have

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

like a strong stance.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then there's your body having its own program.

[Dr. Maya Shankar]

Listen to A Slight Change of plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Hold up.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Every day I wake up.

[Robert Smigel]

Wake your ass up.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

The Breakfast Club.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Y' all finished or y' all done?

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Morning, everybody.

[DJ Envy]

It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy we are the Breakfast Club. Lauren laros is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Her new book is out right now live youe promise. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Cheyenne Bryant. Welcome back.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Listen, Breakfast Club fam. I love. I love being here. I be seeing. Seeing you out at the Diddy Trial, seeing you out at the Boosie Jeezy. Let me tell you, there was music playing and then there was music playing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you tell the people he really be DJing?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

No, no, I go out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When he go places, I go. Cause I always have a good time. But they be trying to play with him up here. Like he don't be knowing what he doing.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Envy, did I not come behind that stage, tap you and say, listen, the entire party concert was jumping because he was on fire.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

At the DJ booth, I looked up, I'm like, who is that? And I was like, aw, that's DJ Envy. Yeah, you killing it.

[DJ Envy]

And I think you need a new name, right? You Dr. Cheyenne Brian here. But you need like a shy shy. Cause she was shy shy that weekend. No, no, you don't understand. Every boosie verse and record, she knew from head to head to end.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

You talking too much.

[DJ Envy]

Every Jeezy, every yo. You understand, I'm gonna tell one story.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

You gonna just start off messing with

[Clifford Taylor IV]

her own words in there, right?

[DJ Envy]

So you know, Jeezy, I'm the realest nigga. She be like, I'm the real doctor in here. You already know. I'm like, shot, shot.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Why you gotta see, this is why. You gotta have everybody sign the NDA.

[DJ Envy]

Damn it.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Everybody gotta sign the NDA.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, I love that for you,

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

it's called a hybrid. I gotta be able to have a good time.

[DJ Envy]

I ain't mad at you.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I gotta be able to be relatable to people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why do the people be mad when you are out having a good time? Cause that made me think of when you went to Jeezy's concert and it was a whole discourse about your outfit at the concert.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

So Jeezy, they weren't mad because the doc was having a good time. They were mad because of what I wore. Yeah, it was black tie to me. It wasn't black tie to some other people. And you know, this is the thing. I have agency over a couple things. One of those happened to be me and what I wear. And so I'm always wear what I want to wear. And again, you know, my clients, my doc squad, my fan base, those are My people, those are my village. My goal is not to sit up here and try to convince folks who have already made up their mind to either misunderstand me or dislike me to like me. I will spend my entire life having to continuously convince them to, like, understand. And that's just a responsibility that I'm not going to take on. I don't think anybody should do that. We all have our village, and our job is to cater to, love and nurture our village. Once you start going outside of that, then you have to spend your whole life trying to make sure these people continuously like you. And then you live in dogma, and dogma will eat your ass up alive. And it's just not worth it. It's just. It's a bill that you don't want to ever have to pay.

[DJ Envy]

Does it bother you at all?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Which part?

[DJ Envy]

The way that people attack you because you get attacked a lot, you know, and you know, you know what's crazy? You don't. I don't realize the amount that you get attacked. And we're going to dive all into it until you come up here about your book. And I'm starting just doing research on your book and I'm like, God damn, do they not like Dr. Cheyenne Bryant?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I be seeing it in real time.

[DJ Envy]

So does that bother you at all?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Um, it doesn't bother me. It comes with the territory. And I think that any of us who are either in the industry, in media, a celebrity who has a certain level of fame, or even just came from the inner city, right, and knows what it is to be an attractive woman in the hood in the inner city, you get a lot of rhetoric and you understand that the outside chatter is a part of being successful. And then I say this with humility, but it's the truth. And you add on beauty, you add on being articulated or educated and, you know, beating a lot of the statistics and the odds that come from being an inner city, you know, little girl or boy, it comes with the territory. So I always say that, you know, Jesus served, the church, died for the church and the church, Judas, his disciple, set him up. The people he loved and he served set him up to be crucified. So why do we personalize when people, that is our disciples, our folks who were never our disciples and our people have an issue with us, try to take us down or set us up for failure. That is a part of being great. That is a part of people witnessing you be in your lane and do what you do. And them saying, I either don't have the capacity to do. So I would love to do it. And what I've learned, y', all, is that people don't always want to occupy your space. They want your territory. And if you understand that, then you occupy the territory that God has given you. Because no one can take what God has given you. You can't miss what's yours. And if your faith, which is an action word, stands on that, then what are you personalizing when people have an issue with you? One, number two, people literally pay for the kind of Internet attention that I get. They create storylines for the headlines and the blog attention and the virality that I get. I don't pay for any of it. I just show up and be me. And so, no, it doesn't bother me. What I will say is there's times where Dr. Brian has to check Cheyenne on some of my clapbacks, because some of my clapbacks be like, you know, well, your mama. And I say, you can't say that. But then I'm like, you can. But I'm like, don't. So it has stretched my bandwidth. It has really shown me how emotionally intelligent I am. And it also has shown me where I have some growth in the emotional maturity space when I'm thinking of clapping back or saying something that could really gut people.

[DJ Envy]

Well, how does it feel? Because a lot of the backlash come from people in your field. Right.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Come on.

[DJ Envy]

Other doctors, therapists, life coaches. And what I say is they say the reason that you don't get questioned or tested as much is because of your quote, unquote looks.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Mm.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

You know, envy. I said this last time I was on. You might be my alter ego brother. Because some of the stuff you say is just right up the alley of what needs to be addressed. So there's pretty privilege, and I've learned that there's pretty punishment. And I didn't really understand that term until I got into my field. And I want to say this. I didn't get. I've been in my field for 18 years. I didn't get into this field to become famous, to become a celebrity. I got in this field because I was a little girl from the inner city who was tenacious, determined to make it out. And I had a lot of broken pieces and abandonment. And when God provided me tools that helped me take my broken pieces and make peace from it, go from my wilderness into my promised land, which I talk about in my book Live youe Promise, I thought, wait a minute, I gotta make sure I give everybody. I come in Contact with these principles because everyone deserves that freedom and that healing that I'm experiencing. What I call God's peace. All right? And so with that, people got a whiff of it. And you know, the found base, the folks made me famous, made me a celebrity. I did not grow up and say, hey, I want to just listen. I'm a good looking woman. I've had access to the industry for my entire life. If I wanted to be famous, I would have went maybe the actress route or the modeling route. Easy, easy call for me. It would have been so easy. I've never had an agent, I've never had a manager. So what I'm saying is this came to me and I had to continuously remind people I'm in a field where I am taking on people's luggage, I am unpacking it, and I am helping them process through their stuff so they can have a better quality of life, they can have mental health and they can actually have tools to sustain their well being. So none of that. No one goes to college and gets multiple degrees to say, I want to be famous. Now do I love it here? Yeah, I love it. I'm grateful for it. I appreciate it. So. And the other thing is, you know, I created my own lane as a psychology expert life coach. So when people see that they went into a group that wasn't a lane, they just fell into being a part of a group and they're looking at this other woman who they're like, wait a minute, you know, she created her own lane and she's totally killing it. It's like, yo, there's only room for me in the lane that I created. And I would like. If y' all put your blinker on when you're trying to get over, because a lot of times they're trying to just get over in my lane. It's like. But doesn't work like that. If folks would concentrate on either, asking, buying books, looking at my videos, booking a session to say, doc, how did you do it? I'm not a gatekeeper. I love putting people on. The quickest way to wealth is through serving people. I'm in a service position as a psychology expert life coach. I am serving people all day long. As prior to president of NAACP, the biggest civil rights organization in Los Angeles for 14 years. That is a service position. We don't get paid to run a civil rights organization. That is volunteer work I've done for 14 years. I am in a service position. I'm a commissioner at home for our assemblyman. I Have been a Democratic California state delegate. Those are all elected official servant positions. And so if folks would focus on Doc, how did you create your own lane? I don't want to be you, but dammit, I want my own lane to occupy. I would give them the tools like I'm doing in my book Live youe Promise about how I did it, how I went from the hood to the hills. Was it hard? Yeah. Is it possible? Absolutely. Am I the only one that can do it? Hell no. The tools I use, if you apply it, you will get the same result. Just like baking a cake.

[DJ Envy]

Well, you know, I want to start off with cause, doing research. I mean, when I say the amount of people that's attacking you, it just opened up a Pandora's box. I was like, Jesus, I thought people didn't like me. They don't like you even more.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Wait, they don't like you either?

[DJ Envy]

Well, sometimes.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Sometimes.

[DJ Envy]

Sometimes. But you know, I wanted to start with what you do. The thing I see online is she doesn't do this under her license. She's not a quote unquote real doctor. She has an honorary degree. She didn't earn it. So let's talk about what you do as far as being a life coach and a doctor. Do you have a license for what you do? And is a license needed?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I love that what I do. A license is not required. One, number two, when I was in my undergrad, which is a degree in psychology. My master's is a degree in Marriage, Family and Child Therapy. My doctorate is in Counseling psychology. Those are all academic. I have four academic degrees. The other one is in Pan African Studies. There's two honorary doctorates. One is in behavioral science.

[DJ Envy]

So you have an earned doctorate.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Yes. And the other one is in humanitaries. Honorary doctorates are to praise you and give you your flowers for your body of work. Okay, they're not academic, but it shows your body of work is effective enough for them to honor you with an honorary doctorate. Now, going back when I said I worked under a license. See, all of this is terminology. The people will open up their ears and do what school teaches therapists to do. I'm not a therapist, but the group of licensed professionals who have an issue with this, they teach you all something called active listening. None of y' all seem to be actively listening. Working under a license means I'm working under a supervisor's license. If anyone went to school for therapy. Psychiatrist, psychologists, you have to accumulate practicum, you have to accumulate hours before you can graduate. It's not an option. So I accumulated thousands of hours underneath the supervisor's license working as a marriage, family, and child therapist. So an MFT is what I was not a lmft. LMFT is Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. MFT is Marriage and Family Therapist. As I worked under that license, I did diagnose, I did treatment plans, and I seen clients regularly. My goal was never, ever to obtain licensing. Ever. I did not go to college and say, I want to become a licensed therapist. Let me put a disclaimer out there. A licensed therapist. There's nothing wrong with that. There are absolutely effective, amazing therapists, counselors, psychiatrists, psychologists, and life coaches. Absolutely amazing. It's all subjective. What works for where you are in your life, what works best for the season you're in, what is it that you need, and what clinician or coach is best fit for what you have going on the season you're in, and whose tools and principles will most be effective for where you're trying to be and for your healing? That's what it boils down to. Neither is better. One's licensed and one's not. For me, I have all of the training and I have the academia, and I have the education. I'm going to say it one last time. I had zero desire to ever become licensed. As a young girl, I've always created my own lanes. I'm a disruptor. Y' all can't see that by now. I've always been the woman that said, hey, if everyone's doing left, then I want to go create right. If everyone's doing black, I want to go create white. I'm doing it now. It works for me. So my goal was to be able to create a huge platform and be able to heal people, bless people at a large level, not to be licensed or bill insurance, diagnose or treat or have patients. I don't do or have any of those. I provide effective tools, principles, and I have clients and I have sessions, and that is exactly what I do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why did you start off not wanting to be licensed where most people would be licensed? And then I have friends who've, like, gotten licensed, have experienced some things with what you have to do once you're licensed and have said, I'm okay with not renewing or not going forward or whatever. Right.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

But wait, say that again. Uh, run that back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I have friends who've been licensed that have said, you know what? I'd rather do it the other way. Because their battle with insurances and how they're paid is a conversation but you. But most people start off wanting to be licensed. Why did you start off not wanting to be licensed?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Because I knew that it would create barriers for me in the way that I want to be able to approach my clients. I knew that, for example, when I was working under a license, a Super Vision license, as an mft, not an lmft, I had a client that came in, a young woman who experienced sexual abuse. And because I'm working under a license, I had to make sure that I follow those license ethics and laws in the sense of not confidentiality. I do that now as a. As a life coach and not as boundaries. But there were moments where she needed a hug because she was having a lot of triggers and she was experiencing a lot of her sexual abuse in a way that she needed to be supported. And of course, I asked, you know, is it okay if I hug you in this moment? Is that okay? I asked, I would ask my. My clients now. And she said, I'm not ready for that hug. No problem. A few months went on, and I asked her again, hey, you know, is it okay if. If I hug you? It was our last session. We were actually ending our term together. And she was like, yeah, like, I'm actually ready for that hug now. As a licensed clinician, you are taught in school ethically that you do not hug. Embrace your clients at all. If y' all have ever experienced therapy, I have. That's something. That's a no, no. It's just something you don't do unless you of course, ask. But it's a very, very thin line. My approach as a life coach, I'm very loving, I'm very nurturing. I hug, I say, I love you, have a good day. At the end of our sessions. And those small things that I'm able to do as a life coach have been life changing for my clients. I've had clients, after giving them a hug, stay in my office for 20 more minutes just crying and bawling their eyes out, saying, you have no idea how much I needed that hug document. I've had clients that I've said, I love you. I'm proud of you, who have said, my mother, my father has never said those words to me. And that has been the catalyst to their healing. Some folks don't need to just come and just talk. Some people do. Some people that talk therapy is their breakthrough, and I completely advocate for that if that's what you need. For some people, they do just need to be nurtured and loved through their pain. Some folks Trauma has completely broken them and. And has calloused them to where only love is. What can break down those barriers of callous, of. Of their heart being hardened because they've never experienced that type of nurturing and love. And so, again, everybody has different things that they need. It's about us not focusing on who is better or worse or titled or not titled. It's how can we serve the people that we all are collectively trying to make sure gets tools, gets healing, gets. Gets therapy. If you're a therapist, gets coaching. If you're a coach, how can we make sure those people get what they need? And let's take the focus away from the practitioners or the coaches. Are you effective? Are you changing and healing lives? If so, run those plays. If not, get more training, get more practice, or get up under somebody who can teach you how to do it effectively. Because really, at the end of the day, that's all that we all are trying to do. And I want people to know, I want them to choose what works best for you, not just only as the patient or the client, but as the clinician or the coach. Which lane works best for you? I don't want my hands tied behind my back. I'll land on this. As a little girl, I didn't need to just talk, y'. All. I needed love. I needed someone to see me. I needed someone to hold my hand. I needed someone to pat me on the back. I wanted someone to sit with me, grab my little cheeks and say, listen, I love you with your hurt self, with your pain self, with your trauma self, with your abandoned self. I got you. So I can provide those. Those same principles that works for me. I'm able to do in my lane that I've created and in my capacity, and I've been doing it 18 years, and I'm effective. And it has made me the most out psychology expert life coach in the world today.

[DJ Envy]

What do you say to those people? One thing. What do you say to those people? Like, you told us what you studied and what you did and the schooling that you got and the classes that you take. But, you know, when I said I did a deep dive, some people were like, well, how can she tell me about my marriage when she hasn't been married? Or how can she tell me about my family or my kids when she hasn't been through that, even though you studied it and you got your degree in it? So what do you say to those people?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

So you just gonna cook the whole interview, just gonna cut all your questions,

[DJ Envy]

gonna be Cause you know what?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Cause just.

[DJ Envy]

I'll be honest.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Just tell him that we talked about this pre. Pre interview.

[DJ Envy]

But what I say was like, you know, and I looked. It wasn't like, you know, two years ago. This is like a week ago. And I'm like, jesus Christ, y' all trying to stomp out the Cheyenne Brown like my Knicks did the Phillips sixes. But go ahead.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Yeah. And we know that was a shot

[DJ Envy]

at the Philadelphia 76.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

And we know that's not gonna happen. You know, that's just not gonna happen. You can't have what God has given me. It don't work like that. And you can't be in my lane. You couldn't ride in this lane if I gave you the opportunity to. So whatever star you wishing on, baby, wish a little bigger. Cause that's not gonna happen. Um, but your question was, what? What do I think about people who say, I'm not married? So how can I teach folks? So this is the thing. I do not teach people how to be married. Marriage is between you and your partner. That's your agreement. That's your covenant. And however you two decide to create and curate your marriage, I can't teach you that. What I teach people is how to get out of their own way. Because happy, healed people make happy, healed marriages. Miserable, unhappy people create miserable marriages. Trauma doubt folks create trauma bonds. Healed people create healed bonds. I teach you envy. How do you process through your trauma so you don't bleed on your wife? I teach you. Lauren, how do you get out of your daddy issues? Not saying you have them. Your daddy issues, your parental issues. Okay, well, your dad. I'm on point today. Out of your daddy issues, right? So that you don't point and project your pain onto this man who is loving the hell out of you and doesn't deserve that. If I could teach you how to heal those and how to get out of your way with that, then I have helped you become a better woman for yourself. Which in return is going to do what? Benefit the collective of that marriage. No one can teach people how to be married. We teach you how to get out of your own way so you and your partner can be healthy. That's it. Because no matter how much we teach you the proper tools of marriage, if you are trauma'd out and you're abandonment and sabotaging this thing, those tools will not be effective until I help you get out of your way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I. I want to ask this question and I want to go back to the degree thing because I Have something to ask before we move from that. So on that. Right on that self sabotage there. Another conversation in your community of work is with people feeling like you don't have the educational background that they're like out here searching for or whatever. Right.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Wait, say that again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So with people debating whether you have your degrees and all this stuff. Right. The biggest thing is, is like in a normal situation, if. Because I've heard you say that you're dealing with your own, like, wounds of like being abandoned and like how you'll self sabotage in certain situations.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

How I have. I used to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I used to.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Past tense.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah. So a lot of people who are in your lane, they're like, okay, if I know that personally about myself, I depend on my education to be able to put that to the side and give you the tools. And I know some people are upset because they're like, well, they're trying to say you don't have the education, but then you also have this. Your own issues in your real life. So how are you separating the two of One thing is their legend is not there.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Yeah, got you. I hear the question. So the work that I've done on my abandonment, that has created a healing in me and really allowed me to identify my pain pockets. Right. So to where I don't sabotage anymore. I'm able to have emotional intelligence, high functionality, and communicate with you even as a friend to say, look, you know how you show up in this relationship, Lauren, it's triggering me. And in the past, I would have sabotaged or just left or not even had a conversation. But I want to talk about this because I honor and I love our friendship. And so when you do X, Y and Z, this is how it makes me feel. I'm identifying my emotion and these are the things that I need from you as my best friend. Can you commit to those things? That's a healing person. Who's talking that?

[Robert Smigel]

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier this week. My guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Who's the worst singer in the group?

[Streeter Seidel]

The worst?

[Robert Smigel]

Yeah.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Me.

[Robert Smigel]

Is there anything to the idea that because you're from Harvard, you only got in because your parents made a huge donation?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

The Yardbirds.

[Timbo (Sports Slice host)]

Right? That's the name.

[Robert Smigel]

The Harvard Yard they're open.

[Streeter Seidel]

Do you have a name suggestion?

[DJ Envy]

We're open.

[Robert Smigel]

Since you guys are middle aged, one erection, listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Humor me.

[Robert Smigel]

I need some jokes to make me seem.

[Timbo (Sports Slice host)]

Last night, a blown call changed the game. This morning, the Internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source. The athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that make never make the highlight reel. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports slice on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice Life 12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

[Kier Gaines]

Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way. With me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kier Gaines. And in recognition of mental health. Aw. I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we done enough. Because people, scoreboard wide life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. Cause you find it important to be a good person while you're here on earth. Are you a good person because you afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

That's two different levels of trust.

[Kier Gaines]

I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kia Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way. Open your free iHeartRadio app search learn the Hard Way and listen now.

[Streeter Seidel]

What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm C.J. toledano. And our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luka and Austin Reed and finding ways win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luka and Austin Reaves, I gotta manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's gonna be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed, he has to guard Julius Randle and then he has to give us everything. He gives us us on a night to night basis on offense. And when it's friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Steve Nash would get that thing, that man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Oh yeah. Get your ass up and down the court and you gonna get the ball.

[Streeter Seidel]

So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

get your podcast is where I am now. Okay? Sabotaging was something I did as a young girl because I didn't even understand that I was sabotaging because I was still trying to get in contact with my pain. I was still trying to figure out how abandonment was impacting me. So the tools that I use to be able to get myself from self sabotaging to communicating and being high functioning and having emotional intelligence and mending this relationship and letting you know what I need, because now I have awareness of who I am as a woman. I'm aware of my pain pockets, I'm aware of my triggers. Those are all the tools that I teach. Those are all the tools that are in my book Live youe Promise. And so I'm teaching folks how to get out of their own way because there was a time where I was in my way and what made it challenging for me to heal y' all was I was in relationships with people who enabled it because they weren't leaving me. They. It didn't matter what I did. They weren't going nowhere. They were still putting rings on my finger. They were still wanting to marry me. They were still loving the hell out of me. And that enabling mechanism doesn't give folks an excuse to still show up trauma to still show up in your dysfunction. You still have a responsibility to love yourself enough, respect yourself enough to say, let me identify what is going on in me, even though this person's allowing it. That I know is not effective for the collective of the relationship or myself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think that that was like them still coming back? Was that their ego of like, you know, men want to be able to conquer, to be able to change and sit you down and, you know, all those things that come with, like when you're a strong woman.

[DJ Envy]

Or could it be because he was just trying to love you through your problems?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, I was going to say. Or was it the opposite? Like, what did you discover more?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

You know what? I think that God just really blessed me with amazing people in my life. Like, I've had some, some amazing parents, I've had amazing partners who I've been in relationship with. I've had friends that just love me down. And I like to say that that's a reflection of who I am and how I love. I love deep. I love hard. I will love you out of your shit. I will love you out of your shit. I'm like that with my clients. And so I just had men who, they just had the bandwidth to love me through my shit. And that taught me that you can have all the tools, you can have the best therapist, the best coach. But if you don't have love, healing is nearly impossible. I don't care what anyone says. You'll be a highly functioning transactional person with like an encyclopedia, with all the tools and the effectiveness and this is how it works and the principles, but internally homeless as hell. Because you won't have the ability to attach, to love, to securely attach, not anxiously attach or avoidantly attach. You will be a mansion that's homeless. And so, you know, people just really loved me through my trauma. And that was amazing.

[DJ Envy]

How were they enabling you? What were you doing? Because the first time they weren't setting

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

boundaries, they weren't saying it back. They weren't saying.

[DJ Envy]

But at what point? Because you know, when people think of enabling, you think of drugs, right? You think enabling to use drugs, enabling them to gamble, enabling them to do something that you feel like will be hurtful to their life. So what was your enabling them?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Not setting boundaries with me. You know, folks, some people bless you. Some people fall so deep in love envy that they start loving the person more than themselves, which puts an eclipse up from them realizing that there needs to be a boundary set right now.

[DJ Envy]

Don't most women want that? Don't most women want somebody that's gonna love them damn, damn more than themselves?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Absolutely, I do. I do. So let me speak for myself. I do. But I want, let me say this as that man is loving me more than he loves himself. I want there to be a healthy balance of him loving himself enough to say, baby, I'm not gonna leave you. But this right here, there's gonna be a boundary put up here. Because, see, I do respect myself. Even though I love you, I love myself, too, as a man. And you just can't talk to me like that because that emasculates me, and I'm vertical in who I am. And the reason why you love me so much and the reason why I can carry you is because of the fact that I respect myself and that I'm vertical. And so you cannot emasculate me, meaning shrink me, and expect me to be big enough to carry you. That is a man who has boundaries. He's not sabotaging you. He's not abandoning you. But it takes a healed woman to say, you know what? You right. Let me work on this. Show me how to work on this. Teach me what that looks like. Because maybe I've never done that. Maybe I've never had a father. It takes a certain woman, women who don't have the bandwidth, the awareness to healing, to respect that kind of man should have enough respect for themselves to leave. Not sabotage, but leave that relationship because she will emasculate him. But a man who was functioning at that high level won't tolerate that, at least for not long. And you shouldn't want to. A man who's loving the hell out of you, I mean, you've got to learn that that is what made me want to be better.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was gonna ask you that made

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

me want to be better.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It be that right there. Because a lot of people will not do, like, the therapy stuff and all of that. But, like, if you get with the right person where you're like, it makes you really face your own stuff. You, like, hold on. Then you start kind of working backwards off of like, oh, so wait, and you talked about mother wounds, too? Cause people, A lot of people talk about daddy issues, and I think that that definitely is a thing, but I don't think people talk enough, especially with black girls, about mother wounds and how that transcend how you deal with your relationships, friends and your, like, your marital relationships, too.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Absolutely. We talk about men with mommy issues and women with daddy issues. Right. We always cross. Cross section it. We don't talk about women who have mommy issues and how that shows up and impacts friendships, how it also shows up and plays a role in how, you know, some women are okay with dealing with married men. Some women are okay with being the side Chicken. Sometimes it's not because daddy wasn't there. Sometimes it's because mommy was competing with you at a young age. Sometimes because mom abandoned you and you have an internal dislike or hatred towards women because of the wounds that your mother created. So sometimes women are saying, if I could be with this married man and hurt his wife, then it's my way of saying, f all woman because my mother is a woman who I despise. We have to look at all moving parts when we are helping or dealing with people unpack their stuff. We can't just say, because, you know, you're a womanizer, automatically mommy issues. Because you process your emotions in a certain way, automatically daddy issues, Daddy wasn't there. I have to be able to say, all right, envy, who was in the house? And I always say this, just because a parent is present doesn't mean they don't present more trauma. Sometimes learned behavior of learning how to become a womanizer is what creates a womanizer in a man. Seeing your father womanize, your mother teaches you that that is a normalcy of being a man. It glamorizes it for a lot of little boys, and they grow up loving and admiring their father, showing up in the admiration of what they see, never being told, nah, son, this is what I'm doing, but this is not the right way to do it.

[DJ Envy]

Well, let me ask you. So you know, we were talking about it earlier, we were talking about Neo and his relationships, right, with his three or four women. How do you look at that relationship for those individual women?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

So polyamorous to me is a lifestyle. So it's a choice, right? It's nothing in secrecy. It's not women saying, hey, I'm dating a man who has a woman or a wife, and I'm doing it in secrecy. And so this is feeding, you know, my trauma of being able to be hidden because I've always been hidden as a little girl. Nobody ever seen me. So this allows me to be in my norm of never being seen. Right? That's one reason why women will become the side chick. Polyamorous is a lifestyle, so it's not for me, but I don't see anything wrong with it for the folks who are choosing it at all, if that makes sense. I don't think polyamorous is a lifestyle that is deemed bad. I think it is only bad when things are deceptive. When there's lies and there's deception, then it's totally, totally out of pocket. It's completely unhealthy. But if this is an open relationship. And we are all happy here. Are y' all happy? Are you healthy? It ain't my thing. I'm territorial. I want all minds to myself. And I want you territory over me. You would be unhappy with me in a. In a. In a house full of anybody outside of me. Very. Everybody will be unhappy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And by the way, all this stuff that we're talking about, even though it's not like, directly mentioned in your book, your book, live your purpose, the way that you set up.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Live your promise.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Promise. I'm sorry, part one, two, and three with like the building of your house.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All of this kind of goes into it because you spend a lot of time on like, accountability, understanding what's actually happened versus not. So, like, I want people to be like, oh, she there for the book. Then they going into all the stuff. No, the book gives you, like a very good foundation of when the stuff is happening.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

100%.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How to maneuver.

[DJ Envy]

Break down the three parts of the book. You have thinking, feeling, and behavior.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Now how does this make up someone's personality?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Yeah. So your three part house is exactly. You know, who you are, how you think, how you feel, how you behave. When it's in alignment. You are healthy, you are whole, and you are manifesting. You are in alignment. Manifestation happens at the point of alignment. So how you think I talk about the first part is, as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he right? And the Bible also says, think only on the thoughts that are prosperous, positive, and praiseworthy. If you wouldn't pray for it, why would you think it? Because we do become our thoughts. Our thoughts then create an emotion. Right. And so if I always say, if a person can't govern their emotions, they can't govern anything. Because your emotions is what creates your appetite. So womanizing, cheating, those are all appetites. Those are all emotionally driven behaviors. If you can't govern how you feel or regulate your emotions, you will always be reactory. They did a study where it shows that folks who are in jail, right. Or in prison who have committed crimes have less ability to regulate their emotions. That means that their decision making at that time was emotionally reactory. It wasn't something that they process before they produce. It wasn't an emotion that they regulated and then said, let me respond in this way because I calculate the risk. So emotions is something we have to learn to identify, regulate so that our appetite and how we show up could be in alignment with what we want to do, who we want to be in our goals, and both of Those create our behaviors. Our behaviors are the only thing that creates results. If we can get them thoughts and those emotions in alignment, how we behave will create the result that we want. And so I teach you not only the tools on this is what you do, but I have a toolkit at the end of every chapter that says, this is how you use the tool. You use this hammer to build this house. You use this hammer to destroy this one if it's not serving you. And I use the Moses journey as a metaphor in the book.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How many times you didn't have to open your own book and work through it again, because the claim the conversations online in the last couple weeks are you actively like going back to your own practices for yourself, though in real

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

life, I stand on these principles. I don't even have to go back because these principles are my principles every day. I'm always reprogramming. I meditate every day for 20 minutes. I'm definitely, you know, scripture inclined. I mean, I stand on faith faces. And faith is an action word. I'm always making sure that my thoughts are the thoughts that I want to create. I'm always reminding myself that everything is working for me that, you know, to call a thing that isn't, as though I want it to be. I'm always making sure that I'm obedient to what God is telling me to do. I even you look, listen, I've had to pray a couple times this week. I said, God, so what I want to say, I'm being honest. I said, God, what I want to say is this. I'm going to pray on it. And in about 30 minutes, I'm going to check in with my decision making my emotions, my appetite to see if this is. I prayed on it. And God gave me three or four people's names. And he said, would they respond like this? And I said, damn it, no. Because he said, so what is your answer? I said, but God, he said, remember Moses? I told Moses to speak to the rock and he hit it. And because Moses wasn't obedient, he got to the promised land and didn't make it into the promised land. Do you want to be in your wilderness for 40 more years or do you want to get into your promised land? I said, I kind of want both. I want to rip them a new fucking tail and I want to get in the promised land. Said, you can't have both because you can't be lukewarm. Make a choice. So I willed back. I use the tools that I provide in My book, Live youe Promise. I emotionally regulate it. I govern myself. And I said, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so this brings me to the question I was trying to ask a bit. Back the conversation about your doctorate because people can't find your dissertation online. How are you responding to that in this new era of your life? Like, what is the answer to number one? Like, why? Why isn't it online? I've also seen claims of, like, there's an alleged, like, chairman from your university saying that you didn't finish things. Whatever. What is, like, can you clear that up for the people who are hearing it from one side? But now we have.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

So I'm going to say this. I'm going to clear it up once on here. I'm not doing it again. And I'm clearing it up for my Dark Squad, for my fan base, for my audience who deserve to hear me address it, for the folks who have already made up their mind to not like me or not understand me. Listen, I don't give a fuck what your narrative is. I would like for you to recreate it, double down on it and run that shit, because I don't give a fuck about it. Now, to my Doc squad, my fan base, my folks, you know, my village, it's very simple. I went to a school, Argos University, completed an entire program. I went back online to get my official transcripts because I was applying to a law school many years ago to be a professor there, and I had to provide my transcripts, right, to. To get hired. And I went to contact the school and said, hey, I need my physical transcripts. I need my entire thing. And there was no school. I was like, okay, I'm confused. I Google it says, this school has been shut down. I said, oh, well, they got to have records. I mean, they were accredited when I attended the school. They were accredited when I finished the program. I go and look, there is a third party that has the records. Why contact the third party? That third party only holds records for two years. I was past my two years, so that means that I had no access to records, to anything. Now, whatever the school did with the transcripts for us, all of us students, whatever they did with dissertations, we don't know. I even went as far as, you know, contacting my cohorts, other students, and they said, look, you know, we're running into the same issue. We're trying to get our transcripts, we're trying to get our information. And then I contacted Financial Aid. You can't make up financial aid. It shows that I paid for a doctoral program alongside my master's program and my undergrad program. And they said, we can fully refund you your money under one circumstance. We give you your money back you don't get credit for. Not a class A course, a program you took in this university at the, at this, this institute. So do you want us to refund you or do you want us not? I said no because I didn't want to risk the chance of them saying, well, we're going to give you back your money and it wipes out your entire program. And so that's just as simple as it is. Luckily, I had, you know, dad do this with all of the schools I had downloaded from the actual student portal, my transcripts at that time. And I was able to get all, just about all of my transcripts, including up to like, dissertation, but everything else, there's no, there's just no holding take for any of our records, which I think is completely, completely effed up just

[DJ Envy]

in general going to kill you online this week. Like I said, she has no records. They just want to hate you regardless.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

No, that's fine. And it's not even that there's no records that I don't. The school had a third party that carry the records only for a limit of two years. So it's not me, it's any student that attended Argosy. Whether they say, they say a student was halfway through the program and they just want to take those units and transfer them because you can. The school was accredited. They don't have records for that. Unless that student was smart enough, like myself, to print out records from an online student portal and say, look it, I have this. Not only that, I also kept all of my syllabus. When you keep your syllabus from any course you've taken, then you are due credit for each syllabus. It has a date on there. It gives you the whole curriculum of what you studied and what it was about and the course. And so I just happen to be smart enough to keep all of my syllabus to be able to print out my own records. The only concern is, you know, the official ones would need to come from, like my degree from Cal State University Northridge. Does my psychology degree come from. Or my master's? Right. Those schools are still operating, so I can go in and say, hey, how you doing, Lauren? I need to print out my official transcripts. But again, it doesn't. How can I say it? It doesn't affect me because if I chose to go get a license as an lmft, I have my master's in marriage from a child therapist. I have my hours. I can just take that and say, hey, let me submit these for licenser, and I want to go sit for my exam. And all I have to do is study. I don't need a doctorate in counseling psychology to go get licensed as a therapist. That's what we're all missing. So if I just want to go get licensed, and we said, hey, the school shut down, so they're not gonna let you sit for licensing because of that doctorate program. School. Well, I have a master's at an institute that is not shut down, that is accredited.

[DJ Envy]

You got a lot of meditation this week, boy. Cause they gonna be on your ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They do everything on you. They do that. It was like a plagiarism conversation. They were trying to say that. It was like you were dismissed from the universe. It's been a lot.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

It's been a lot. It's been a lot of false narrative. And again, I, you know, my thing is, I don't address any narrative. I like people to have whatever narrative that they like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Does that hurt?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

And I don't. Business wise, though, it hasn't.

[DJ Envy]

She said she's booked and busy.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I mean, I'm booked and busy. I'm still on my speaking tour. I'm on my book tour.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Book.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

My book. Yeah, this is my second book. I got a double book deal. I want to thank Charlemagne. Charlemagne. When he's not here. Charlemagne. Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're on Black privilege.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

You know what I mean? Huh? Non publisher, Hay House, Random House. But I wanted to thank him because when folks were putting in their bid to give me a book deal, Charlamagne, his publishing company, was one that was in the bidding war. And I'm grateful for that. I want to thank him because, you know, I appreciate that, so. No, it doesn't. My clients, I still have a full caseload. I actually have a waiting list. Since the rhetoric online has inflamed. I actually have people who have just been booking sessions even more, because now they have an interest in seeing what my approach is and seeing how my sessions go. And so I've had to have other coaches that I have have that work for the Dr. Bryant Institute, take on some of those clients. Some of those clients don't want to see other folks. They want to see me. Yes. When I leave this interview, I was just telling my team that I have a couple sessions that I have to do in between y' all in my next interview. So I'm booked and busy. And what people don't understand is this. Listen, I'm grateful for the free marketing. I'm just keeping it real because most people knew who I were, who I. Who I am and who I was. But for the ones who didn't, they now know. And if anybody who has made it very far in this industry knows, good or bad, attention is still good attention when you have a brand. And so again, it's about how you use it. It's about, you know, if you choose to address it, how are you going to address it? It's also about, you know, when you have folks who are keeping your face and name recognition extremely large, where are you driving those people to? Are you driving them to you just responding to these people, which does nothing for your clients, for your brand and for your name, or are you driving them to your purpose, which is healing speaking? My sessions, my book and all the things that I do.

[DJ Envy]

Did it, did it bother you when you had. And I don't. Maybe, maybe you didn't have it when you had friends in this industry that were on your side and you see them changing. Did that happen to you with everything that's going on? Did you see people that you, you thought you were cool with changing, whether they're, you know, people on TV or just friends in the industry?

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

You mean with this situation?

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I love that because it actually showed how many people really were 10 toes down for me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love that for you.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I'm serious. I was like, yo, you know what? I knew people rock with me. I'm like, but people are rocking with me. You know, there were, you know, people who went and did live responses on social media and was like, doc, I need you to address this. I'm like, I'm not addressing shit. I'm not. You know, maybe if someone asks me on an interview and I decide to, I will, but it will be for my people, not for the small group of folks who are extremely low functioning because they're not reading terminology, they're not doing their research and they're showing their card that this is a jealousy envy thing because someone created their own lane and you're in a lane that has you stuck in what you've decided. I'm not in a box and I'm not going to be. And so a lot of folks did that. And then I have a lot of friends who are, you know, a listers and clients who are a listers who do have a brand And I understand that. Who have reached out and said, look, I want to make a statement. How can I do it so it doesn't hurt you? Right. I love that. Doc, what do you need from me? Do you need me to say this? You need me to vouch for you? And usually I say, no, you know, I'm okay. I just. You reaching out is enough. But these times, like you just said, envy show you, you know, who's. Who's solid. And I really, I really just had folks that showed up and showed out and I had a team. I mean, I gotta say, listen, as soon as all this hit my team hay house, you know, my publicist, lakeisha, I mean, everybody text, like, hop on a call. And it wasn't hop on a call. What's going on? Is this true? Is it not? It was. How are you doing? Because you're on stages every other day. You're on your book tour. You are, you know, booked and busy. How are you doing? How can we help you continue to process through this? And so, again, you know, I know this sounds bananas, but people who are successful understand this. This is free marketing. I get attention online that people pay for. And I tell God all the time. I said, God, whatever you did, whatever. It fascinated.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's like when a switch came on, it never turned on, right? Yeah.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I said, if I wear something, if I put a bobby pin in my hair, if my, you know, if my eyelashes is at a 3 o' clock and out of 4 o', clock, baby, they are going crazy in. In online. And I made a joke this morning with my assistant, head of hair. He. He mentioned posting or doing something. I said, no. I said no. I said, we own the Internet. And he started dying laughing. He said, yes, you do. And so I'm great. I'm really, I'm grateful. I'm really grateful for it. And, you know, like Shaquille o', Neal, Shaq's one of my good friends. And I remember a couple years back, there was some. It'd been nonstop. It was something else going on. And he called me to check on me. He said, what's up, champ? You good? I said, yeah, I'm good. He said, listen, good or bad? Attention. Good or bad attention, dog? It's good attention. You want it all. You want it all. I said, I know, you know, but it is a slight adjustment because, you know, you do have. I have to work on more controlling my snapback, you know, because, you know, my mouthpiece and the way I'm set up. I could say things That I have this sometimes. Sometimes it's needed, sometimes it's needed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you do it in a way that, you know, it's. It's very. It fits who you are and kind of what you're putting out at this point. Yeah, a little elevated, you know, every now and then. But I think for me, I'm glad to hear you say people are actually calling you in real life and being like, are you okay? Because when I'm reading the book and you're going from your thinking to your feelings to, like, behavior and how you have to act in real life, and then in real life, you're experiencing this.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I'm like, I know she's human, though, 100%. But let's be realistic. Let's talk about the big, big, big dogs. Talk about the Oprahs. Majority of black folks, for some reason, don't like her. You think O is sitting there thinking about how she gonna clap back at somebody?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She be in her garden with me,

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Baby, baby, I just seen her and Gail in Fashion Week. Mama oden lost about 30 pounds. She is killing it. You think that Tyler Perry claps back at everybody online? He was at Cardi B concert two nights in a row, honey. He's. He's courtside at the game. He's writing, creating a movie. He has Tyler Perry Studios. Really? And I'm gonna go to another name that people absolutely hate, but they are one of the most richest, famous families out there, the Kardashians. You think that family sits around the dinner table and has meetings about how these. How many folks don't like them? They're planning their next deal. They're planning their next partnership. Kim's trying to figure out how she can get another partnership with skims. Kylie's talking about makeup and cosmetics. Kris Jenner is on a private jet somewhere in freaking Mykonos with her. I don't want to say yn, but her young man, Corey. But so what I'm saying is, when you look at the people Obama, how many black folks love and then hate him because he didn't do enough, but he did do one. I mean, so you got all the most successful, affluent, influential people who are hated the most. And if God said to me loud and clear, baby, I'm going to give you much territory, and if you think you're going to occupy this level of territory and that people are not going to attempt to possess it, you have lost your mind. Then you're just not ready for that level of bigness. Because all the folks who are moving in that space. They're moving in that space. They've had to learn what I'm teaching and live your promise. How to think a certain way, feel a certain way and behave a certain way so that the outside chatter doesn't affect how they live. Because you don't put in all this work to get here and then live in fucking dogma. I don't. Not at all. I'm gonna still run my plays the way I want to do them, the way that I've created them in my lane that I've created. That's it.

[DJ Envy]

Well, there you have it. The new book is out right now. Live youe Promise. And we appreciate you for joining us and being so open.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Of course.

[DJ Envy]

Show us so much love. Anytime we see you up here or out and about. We appreciate love.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Definitely do you know, I'm gonna come here and bring the truth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Congratulations on the book. It's a good one.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

I appreciate it. Thank you.

[DJ Envy]

All right, it's Dr. Cheyenne Bryant and she's coming back at all. You out there? It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Every day I wake up.

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

Wake your ass up.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

The Breakfast Club.

[Timbo (Sports Slice host)]

Last night a blown call changed the game. This morning the Internet lost its mind and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. And every episode we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story of behind the headlines. And we're going straight to the source. The athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports slice on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice Life 12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on

[Robert Smigel]

TikTok, another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week. My guests SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

[Streeter Seidel]

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

[Robert Smigel]

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clifford Taylor IV]

What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor the Fourth, and on my podcast, the Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an Internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker. Hey, you know these kids? This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Look, quarterback on offense. Blue 42. Hey, ref, my mama wants you to wave at her.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Clifford Taylor IV]

Where's she at? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dr. Maya Shankar]

Hey, I'm Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist and host of the podcast A Slight Change of Plans, A show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wish that I hadn't resisted for

[Dr. Maya Shankar]

so long the need to change.

[DJ Envy]

We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can have opinions, you can have,

[Dr. Cheyenne Bryant]

like, a strong stance, and then there's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

your body having its own program.

[Dr. Maya Shankar]

Listen to A Slight Change of plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed.