The Breakfast Club Interview with Dr. Umar Johnson Date: March 23, 2026
Podcast: The Breakfast Club (The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts)
Episode: Dr. Umar Talks FDMG Academy, Trump’s America, Interracial Relationships, Epstein Files, Diddy + More

Episode Overview

In this engaging, wide-ranging interview, Dr. Umar Johnson returns to The Breakfast Club after nearly two years to update listeners on the status of his much-publicized Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey (FDMG) Academy, his Pan-Africanist vision, and his outspoken views on Black politics, community, interracial relationships, and more. With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, and Lola Rose at the helm, the episode dives deep into topics including harassment faced during the founding of FDMG, Dr. Umar’s stance on the American education and political systems, reactions to Diddy’s legal troubles, and an explosive critique of the handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Key Discussion Points

1. Dr. Umar’s Recent Milestones (03:12–06:00)

• Ghanaian citizenship: Dr. Umar shares his pride in recently becoming a Ghanaian citizen, connecting it to his Pan-African mission.
• Debating Elon Musk’s father: He recalls last-minute notification about debating Errol Musk at Oxford, "Of course I destroyed him, but had I knew I was going against him, I would have been even more ready." (03:46)
• FDMG Academy update: The school’s renovations are finally complete, pending a certificate of occupancy: "We're completely done. The school is done. We're just trying to get an inspection now." (04:03)

2. Struggles With the System (06:00–10:00)

• Obstacles and opposition: Dr. Umar details bureaucratic hurdles, alleged city interference, an unsupportive building inspector, and surprise notices demanding $40,000 in fees while his account was "debanked" without explanation.
• Funding transparency: "Every single continent, nearly every country, donated to FDMG." (09:30)
• Fends off accusations of being a scammer and addresses skepticism about the school’s accreditation.

3. Accreditation & Independence (08:31–11:45)

• Clarifies that accreditation is not mandatory for independent grade schools and is a voluntary process.
• States he refuses outside validation: "I don't really care about the opinions of anybody outside of my community, so we won't be doing that."
• Insists FDMG will serve Black children specifically, tuition-based, uncompromising, and offering an alternative to charter/public/Catholic options.

4. Defense Against Critics (13:21–17:45)

• On being targeted: "Was I too trusting of certain contractors?...We got scammed by our own people. And when I write the story of FDMG, I'm going to talk about that." (13:31–14:12)
• On taking the independent route vs. mainstream funding: "I'm a Garvey. I'm a Pan Africanist. We believe in independence. So if it ain't gonna be independent, we don't want it." (14:28)
• Dismisses accusations of slow process, noting the uniqueness of his school and global community contributions.

5. Vision for Global Pan-African School Network (17:45–18:15; 26:21–26:37)

• Outlines a global network: "We're gonna have FDMG Detroit, FDMG Chicago, FDMG Ghana, FDMG Jamaica, FDMG Haiti...this is my life's work." (16:04)
• Explains leadership structure: local principals, while he becomes "superintendent" overseeing the movement.

6. Collaboration & Community Divisions (17:47–18:15)

• Refuses to collaborate "just to get known" or with "pretendians" (self-hating Black Americans denying African ancestry), noting the importance of Pan-African unity.

7. Rebuttal to ‘Pretendians’ and Black Origins (18:16–25:21)

• Dr. Umar delivers a passionate monologue dispelling the myth that Black Americans are indigenous to America rather than from Africa, drawing on historical, genetic, and anthropological arguments.

  "These Negroes will find one Indian in a tree...You got one Indian in your bloodline, and now you not Black no more. Stop lying." (23:37)

• Emphasizes genetic findings and ancient migrations, rejecting the "pretendian" narrative.

8. Politics: Trump, Kamala Harris, and Black Representation (27:38–42:39)

• On Trump’s America: "Donald Trump has spent the entire first three months of his term eliminating as much black history as he possibly can. He hates black people." (28:13)

• Kamala Harris:
  Critiques her and Biden for doing nothing explicitly for Black people: "She said...I'm not going to do anything just for black people: out of her mouth." (30:00, 33:04)

• Voting:
  Supports voting only if there's a clear Black agenda: "If you don’t deal with the big five problems Black people have, I’m not voting for you."

• New York City government:
  Denounces lack of Black representation in city leadership under Mayor Mandami, arguing Black Americans are relegated to running jails: "Out of 10 spots, the only thing you thought Black people were good enough to do is lock people up—the hell out of here." (36:08)

• Global politics:
  Suggests increased Indian-American/East Indian influence in US government is a geopolitical concession.

9. Reparations: Beyond Direct Cash Payments (46:56–49:44)

• Calls for land, resources, and enduring institutional power, not just cash:

  "Whatever we get, Envy, should never run out...money can't be up top. The American money doesn't have a mineral equivalent." (48:06)

10. Interracial Relationships & "Bunny Hopping" (51:30–54:09)

• Dr. Umar reiterates his disapproval: "Next time one of you Black women give your yoni verse to a non-African, I'ma bust a gasket. I'm tired of the bunny hopping." (52:31)
• Comedic exchange about Jess’s husband’s Black ancestry and "bunny-hopping" men in the entertainment industry.
• Asserts never having "crossed the line" himself:

  "Ain't no white woman on this planet can ever say Dr. Umar had any of their honeycomb hideout." (53:55)

11. Viral Rumors & Notable Moments

• Sukihana rumors: Clarifies friendly but platonic rapport with Suki, suggests she'd be fit to raise his heir, citing her "conscious" side (55:00–56:57).
• Family struggles: Addresses public disputes with his daughter, Lisa, and explains the difficulties of Black fatherhood and family court bias (59:26–63:36).

Deep Conversations & Quotes

Desensitization to Sexual Violence & Epstein Files (63:44–74:06)

• Dr. Umar links psychological experiments on obedience and desensitization to the handling of the Epstein case:

  "They used the negroes as crash dummies to desensitize the American people. So by the time they got around to Epstein, you don’t even care." (63:54)

• On systemic failures:

  "The American people are desensitized to sexual violence against children...And as a result...you're going to see more of it." (69:13)

• On media double standards (regarding Diddy and Vince McMahon):

  "If Vince McMahon ain’t got to go to jail, why is Puffy in jail?" (69:46)

On Awards and Hollywood:

• Claims a racist double-standard in major awards, using the film "Sinners" and other Oscar examples as case studies (71:07–74:39).

On Reparations:

"We want concessions, resources, and control...money can't be up top." (48:06–49:44)

On Community and Identity:

"Black queens forever, snow bunnies never. The problem with you Democratic Party plantation slaves..." (49:48)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:12 – Dr. Umar’s Life & FDMG updates
• 06:00 – City and bank obstacles/debanking
• 08:31 – Accusations of scamming & accreditation
• 11:45 – Admission & test scores/standardized testing
• 13:21 – Missteps with contractors & Black business
• 16:04 – Vision for FDMG globally
• 18:16 – “Pretendians” and African origins of Black people
• 27:38 – Black Trump supporters & Trump’s record
• 30:00 – Kamala Harris, the Democratic Party, and reparations
• 36:08 – Black political agency and representation in NYC
• 46:56 – Reparations: historical context and Dr. Umar’s blueprint
• 51:30 – Interracial relationships and “bunny hopping”
• 55:00 – SukiRumors & Black activism motherhood
• 59:26 – Personal family struggles with daughter Lisa
• 63:44 – Epstein Files/Desensitization experiment
• 71:07 – Hollywood, the Oscars, and Black representation

Memorable Quotes

• "If you want your children to take the Delaware state assessment, let's do it—but you grading it in my face." (13:00)
• "Ain't no white woman on this planet can ever say Dr. Umar had any of their honeycomb hideout." (53:55)
• "Bill Clinton locked up more black people than any president in history since the end of slavery...You don’t have no friends. I don’t want a blue wing or a red wing, ‘cause I don't eat chicken wings." (49:46)
• "They used the negroes as crash dummies to desensitize the American people. So by the time they got around to Epstein, you don’t even care." (63:54)

Closing

Dr. Umar Johnson delivers a provocative, unapologetic conversation, covering education battles, political critique, and the continuous assertion of African identity and independence. With fiery rebuttals, cultural commentary, and calls to action for Black communities, this episode makes clear why Dr. Umar remains a lightning rod for controversy and inspiration alike.

Contact for donations and questions:

• PayPal: paypal.me/FDMGacademy
• Email: princeofpanafricanism@gmail.com (Africa with a K)
• Phone: 215-989-9858

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