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INTERVIEW: Dr. Umar Talks FDMG Academy, Trump’s America, Interracial Relationships, Epstein Files, Diddy + More
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Charlamagne Tha God
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
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Charlamagne Tha God
Soon after, I was in their Kohler,
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Dr. Umar Johnson
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DJ Envy
Finished or y' all done?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lola Rose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building.
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DJ Envy
The prince of Pan Africanism has returned to the Breakfast Club.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Dr. Laura Rose. How we doing? Glad to be back. Glad to be back. Been almost two years. I'm good. All is well. It's been a while since I saw y'. All. What happened since then? Number one, I got my Ghanaian citizenship.
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DJ Envy
Oh, okay.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Last January, in fact. The president of Ghana will be at Temple University next week. So I'mma go and check him out. I debated Elon Musk's father at the Oxford Union. Okay, I won that. That was easy work. I was a little disappointed though, because the host group at Oxford Union, they really kept me in the dark about what was going down. I found out the night before the debate that I was debating Elon Musk's father and only found that out because I spoke at Manchester University. And so we going to eat at the African restaurant when we get out of there. And they said, you ready for your debate with Elon Musk's father tomorrow? I said, what you talking about? I'm not debating Elon Musk's father. They pulled out the flyer. Nobody told me that I was going to debate Elon Musk's father. So I didn't really appreciate that. It was bittersweet. I mean, of course I destroyed him, but had I knew I was going against him, I would have been even more ready.
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DJ Envy
When you stay ready, you don't gotta get ready.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Yeah, but still, that's like me inviting you to Africa, you know what I mean? To do a debate. And I never tell you who you're going to debate, you know, so that was a little shady, you know what I mean? But it was still a good experience. Y' all know Malcolm X debated at the Oxford Union, you know what I mean? So that Pan African connect. And on Frederick Douglass's birthday, we completed the renovations at fdmg. So we completely done. The school is done. School is done. Congratulations. We just trying to get an inspection now. The problem is the building inspector for our district is not really a Dr. Umar supporter. I never heard him say that. But based on the way he's interacted with me the past seven years. He's never really been a support, you know. And we did a walk through, through the building about a week ago. Some of his comments was. Didn't really make sense to me. So we got to deal with him. So for example, the H Vac was done and inspected like three years ago. So during the walkthrough he says, you have to get a balancing report. I said, what is that? He said, to make sure that all the vavs that release the air are releasing at the same time. I said, but we didn't already did our inspection for H Vac 2, three years ago. We didn't pass that. So you taking me back to something we didn't already pass. So it's a shame, you know what I mean? But he's the hold up now because he said he was going to get back in touch with me. It's been almost two weeks, I ain't heard from him yet. And remember during the summer they tried to sell the school behind my back, right? So I get a phone call. They say, yo, they're about to sell your school. I said, what you talking about? We own this. They said, nah, there's a sign on the door at the school. So I called somebody down in Delaware, I said, can you get the paperwork off the door? They didn't email it to me, they didn't mail it to me, they didn't call me. So they took it. What happened was the haters, so we got two schools, the haters took the paperwork off the high school, they sent it to YouTube. So YouTube, the haters, the Struggle streamers is doing what they do to get their little two views, right? So then my supporters is like, yo, they're about to sell your school. But you know, they lie so much I didn't believe it. So I said, but let me send somebody down anyway. They went across the street, had another set of the paperwork. They sent it to me. If you don't pay this $40,000 in two weeks, we selling the buildings.
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DJ Envy
What?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
I heard nothing from the city for like five months. So I'm like, wait a minute, y' all could have been told me this. And when they tried to sell the school, it was at the very time that we had just got debanked from citizens. So we get a letter in the mail from Citizens saying we're not doing business with y' all no more. I'll call Citizens. I said, why y' all not doing business with us no more? They never tell me they don't have to. First they told me they was doing the research. So I thought they thought the financial mismanagement. Cause you know, they always said we stole the money. So I said, okay, they going through the go through it, you know what I mean? But then they hit me back and say, no, it's something else. I said, so what? So they running me around for a whole month. And then finally I get the letter saying you debanked. And from what I was told, they don't really have to tell you why. But Donald Trump, who I don't support, but he did sign something recently because Kanye west got debanked. He signed something recently where he said they cannot debank you for your political positions and beliefs or something like that. So I might have a lawsuit against them because the only justification they can have for doing that is for me being who I am. You feel me? Because the paperwork wasn't lying, you know what I mean? So they tried to sell the school while we didn't have access to the money. So it was the 40,000 that you owed, was it tax? Okay, so there's something called vacant property registration fee. So every year that you're not open you have to pay like 1500. But they jumped it up to like seven grand now, right? So anyway, I wanted them to post date when I applied for the. You get a four year waiver if you're a non profit. So I say if they apply this four year waiver back, we don't owe nothing because it was only four years, right? So I'm trying to get them to post dated. They say, we'll let you know. So I'm waiting for them to let me know if you ain't gonna do it. Say that. Yeah, I'm waiting on them. They never tell me no. And the next thing you know, they trying to sell the school when we ain't even got access to the money. But all praise be to the most high, we was able to get the money. Stave that off. We got a new bank account, Black bank. We good.
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DJ Envy
You know what I find interesting, Dr. Umar? People like to say you a scammer, right? And I say Dr. Umar has the school. The school.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
I don't mind the allegations,
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DJ Envy
but the school is there. They can't say you didn't use the money for seven years building to renovate it and all of that type of stuff. But I have heard people say he'll never get accreditation.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Well, here's the thing, you don't need accreditation to be an independent school. You follow? What I'm saying accreditation is a voluntary process. On a university level, it's a little bit more mandatory. But for grade schools, your right to operate comes from the state department of education. So I can voluntarily go and get some white people and ask them what they think about my black school. But being Dr. Umar Ifatunde, I don't really care about the opinions of anybody outside of my community, so we won't be doing that. So if Charlamagne said, you know what? I don't want to send my school to my child, to FDMG because they're not accredited, then send them somewhere else because I know what we about to do. We about to change the whole game.
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DJ Envy
You think the state department of education will ever agree to have this school?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Why not? I got all the credentials of any white person. In fact, I probably got more credentials than any other white person. So why not?
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DJ Envy
Because you're black.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
There may be some difficulties along the road, but the biggest thing that's going to alleviate a lot of that. We are not a government funded charter school. We are an independent tuition base. If you don't pay, they don't come. So remember, the school we have was a charter school. I used to be principal at a charter school. I used to be vice principal at a charter school. And there's so many hoops you gotta jump through in order to keep that funding. It ain't really worth it to me. It's too much. It's too much. And so for me, I'm glad we went the way that we went. It's the first school in American history built exclusively by donations from African people from around the world. Every single continent, nearly every country donated to fdmg.
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DJ Envy
So what, are you going to be
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Dr. Umar Johnson
opening the doors where students can start? Well, we got to get a certificate of occupancy. I can't answer that. You feel me? See, it's always something holding me. If we had it right now, I'm confident we can start August, not this year because you only got a few months, but of 20, 27. You feel me? But the question becomes, here we go again. We're completely done. How long before you give us our paper so we can start planning for the children? And I can't answer that. And with the children, what is your. What are you thinking as far, as, I guess, attendance? Is it going to be paid? Is it going to be tuition? Tuition? So kids, have they got to pay? You don't pay, they don't come and everything. I got you. And it's not Going to be an issue for us because, number one, my popularity, my expertise, but also the demand where we are. If you look at the statistics for black children in Wilmington, if you go across the border and look at the educational statistics for black children in Chester, right? If you go across the border to New Jersey and look at the statistics for black children in southern New Jersey or northern Maryland, it ain't great. You follow me? So the parents in that area, they're looking for an alternative to the charter school system that's always expelling their kids to the public school system. He ain't teaching their kids to the Catholic school system who always looking for a reason not to allow their children in. And we going to be just that.
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Charlamagne Tha God
What do you say to the people that will say, like, okay, once you get the school going, the kids are there. If you do decide to go the unaccredited route, once the kids leave the school, they're going to be. Their education and the time they spent it at school is going to be looked at so different.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
That's not true. And the reason I'm saying that. Good sister, you have parents who homeschool their children from kindergarten to Howard or to Harvard. You follow? They have no accreditation. They've been home their whole life. What they're going to look at is that sat. What they're going to look at is the act. What they're going to look at is our test scores to see is he giving us the same quality of student as these other schools. And remember now, I'm a psychologist who creates the test, the psychologist. I help standardize some of the most popular tests that we use. I know exactly how the game go. So guess what? I don't mind taking their tests. We will take them on one condition. They get graded in front of me. You're not going to take my children's test protocol, you feel me? And grade them behind my back. Because I know for a fact they be felon children who passed. When I spoke at His Majesty, Holly Salasi solely return. In St. Croy, I met a retired educator from New York city. He said, Dr. Umar, you're right. I'm proof that black people pass tests. And they still say we failed him. He showed me his test thing. He took the teacher's test. The praxis in New York to be a teacher. They told him he failed it. He said it never sat right with me. So he went and made him pull out his test, rescore it. He actually passed it.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
They be felon black teachers who pass. They Be felon black kids who pass because it's all about power and control. So if they say, if you want your children to take the Delaware state assessment, let's do it. But you grading it in my face. You are not going to take my test to some white folks and then come back two weeks later and say, y' all below basic. Score them in my face. We'll take the test every day.
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DJ Envy
Have you. Have you ever made any mistakes with the money that you've raised?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Mistakes with the money?
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DJ Envy
I'm just saying, have you ever. And could you. And could you own the money?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Give me an example of a mistake with the money. I don't know.
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DJ Envy
That's what I'm asking.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
I would say, was I too trusting of certain contractors to do what we paid them to do? Yeah. But every contract that we use came highly referred. I didn't get people off the street. They sent me to the plumbers and electricians in the H Vac who do everybody else work. But when it came time for them to do Dr. Umar work, maybe because I was from out of town, maybe because I was from Philly, maybe they hate what I stand for. Whatever the case may be, we got scammed a whole lot. Wow. And it took us a while. And like I said before, once we got the white contractors, we got the work done. So you use black vendors. And black vendors would have won that. Yeah, we got scammed by own people. Hands down. We got scammed by own people. And when I write the story of fdmg, I'm going to talk about that. I'm going to talk about that. Because what they did was wrong. You stole from the people. If you weren't going to do the work, don't take the money.
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DJ Envy
What do you say to people who say you could have been further along a long time ago if you wouldn't got assistance from other people?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
I would have. If I would have went to the white man, the white bank, the charter school route, I would have been further along. But I am a Garvey. I'm a Pan Africanist. We believe in independence. So if it ain't gonna be independent, we don't want it. Because you don't control your destiny. And with regard to FDMG proper, nobody ever did this before. So what are you comparing me to? Right when they say it's taking too long. Taking too long according to who? Nobody in the history of the United States of America has ever built a school. Right. With no money, that's operating in a real building, not a church. Not a basement, not a storefront, not somebody's house. Real school, okay? With donations from every African community on the planet. Show me somebody else. It's never been done. So when people say it's taking too long, are you comparing me to a government funded charter schools? Charter schools are controlled by the white man. They're not controlled by the black man. Nobody never did what I did. So what are you comparing me to? That's my follow up today.
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DJ Envy
And it always bugs me out too, when I see people who have so much criticism, especially black, and ain't done
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Dr. Umar Johnson
nothing for the race.
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DJ Envy
Not not only done nothing, ain't done
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Dr. Umar Johnson
nothing for the race, but have they
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DJ Envy
reached out to you and, and been like, yo, can I provide some assistance?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Now see, here's the donation, here's the issue. You got your black bourgeoisies. These are negroes who made a whole living off of seeing black kids get miseducated in their city, right? Who could have done what I'd done and didn't. So now you envious because he is the first one to say, I'm gonna do this the right way. You could have done it, but you was comfortable getting your summers off as a teacher. You was comfortable making your quarter of a million. You was comfortable having more holidays off from work than any other professional in America. You see? So even though you might have cared about the children, you didn't love them enough to build a school for them. And so there's an envy there with the black bourgeoisie, right? And then when you come to the conscious community, New York City, the biggest one, right? Because I am the most popular person in black consciousness in the world, people are jealous of the fact that, that this man is more popular than all of us, busier than all of us, and he still found time to build a school for the children. So what do that say about you? Who on the YouTube all day, but you don't do nothing for the people? What that say about you on YouTube all day? Who don't do nothing for the people? I'm more popular than all of you put together. I'm more requested than all of you put together. It's not even close. And I still had time to do this. So what does it say about you? So they don't want FDMG to come because they like, he already here. Now he even gonna be here. Well get mad. Cause I ain't gonna stop because we're gonna have FDMG Detroit, FDMG Chicago, FDMG Ghana, FDMG Jamaica, FDMG Haiti, this is my life's work. You feel me? You can't change everything, but you can change something. So for the rest of my life, I'm dedicated to building this global Pan Africanist Independent school district. So if you decide to move to Ghana, we got a school for you there. You don't miss the curriculum. You follow me? Because when you transfer your child from one school district to another, there's an instructional loss there because no two school districts are at the same place. You follow? So if your baby is in New York and you decide to move to Atlanta, there's going to be some instructional loss because no two school districts are in the same place. We don't have a national system. Every state does their own thing and then every district does their own thing. So I want to make it globally so no matter where you go, your child don't lose a space.
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DJ Envy
Are you open to collaboration or do you feel like you have to lead everything yourself?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Well, this is my project, so why would I collaborate on my dream? What I'm gonna do? Sit down with a bunch of snow bunny hoppers and see what they want to do.
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Charlamagne Tha God
For what?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
A bunch of pretendions? For what? A bunch of FBA ADOs? For what? That ain't me. I'm RBG. Collaborate on what? Are you a Pan Africanist? Are you serious? Or do you just want to work with Dr. Umar to get known off my name and then stab me in the damn back like most of them do?
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Charlamagne Tha God
What's a pretendian?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
A pretendian? Let's talk about this. You have a growing number of self hating blacks in America who are claiming that they did not come from Africa. Their ancestors were already in America before Columbus and they have no African DNA. So let me clarify. We were in America before Columbus. How do we know this? Columbus said it. Christopher Columbus came to the Americas. He had about four journeys. The second one is the most important one. 1492 was the first. 1493-1496 was the second. Columbus said when he got to Haiti. And mind you, Columbus never came to America proper. He only came to the Caribbean. Vespucy was the first Caucasian to walk in the States. When Columbus got to Haiti, he said that native Americans told him that they were engaging in trade with with black skinned people who came on ships from the southeast. If we go to the New York waterfront and we go southeast, you hit West Africa. They furthermore told Christopher Columbus that we were trading in gold tip spears that were mixed with a copper silver alloy mix. Columbus said they must come from Guinea. How Did Columbus know they must come from Guinea? Because before Columbus sailed in 1492, guess where he was? In West Africa. And you've been to Ghana? I don't know if you've been to the Elmida Dungeon. When you take the tour, they tell you Columbus spent a week here before he sailed. Our ancestors taught Christopher Columbus how to get here. But guess what Columbus did? The gold tip spears that the native Americans gave him. He sent them back to Spain to have them study. And so Spain separated them and they saw the pieces of gold, the pieces of silver, the pieces of copper, and they said this came from Guinea. And the word that the Native Americans used when they spoke to Columbus was guanin. G U A N I n. Do you know what guanine is? It's the Mande word for gold. Who spooks Mande? The Mali Empire. And I don't know if you ever heard of King Abu Bakari ii. He was the king. He was one of the greatest kings who ever lived. His younger brother was Mansa Musa, the richest man to ever live. In fact, Mansa Musa never gets the throne if Abu Bakr II doesn't give it to him. And the reason Abu Bakari II gave Mansa Musa the throne is his second voyage to the Americas. He led it himself and never returned. His first voyage was in 1310. He sent 200 ships to the Americas. He wasn't the only African king to come here. Ramses III of the twentieth dynasty of ancient Egypt, he led an expedition here. Nico ii of the 26th Dynasty, he led an expedition here. Africans been coming to America since the beginning of time. So when these pretending say we didn't come from Africa, you're a lie. Listen. There's six stages in modern man. The first three stages of modern man, they never left Africa. They never left Africa. Africa is the only continent where you can find a complete set of six stages of man. You don't find them in America. The only stages you find in America are the fifth and the sixth. You know what that means? You came here. You see, you would have to have the whole six to have been here. If God created you in North America, you would have the whole six set. You don't. You only got the last two because you came here. Remember, modern man is 300,000 years old. The first stage of man to leave Africa is. What is this? I'm forgetting the name of that. What did they call him? What did they call him? What did they call him? I'm forgetting it. But nonetheless, here's what I Want to say modern man, 300,000 years old. Modern man doesn't leave Africa until about 70,000 years ago. Do you know what that means? That means African people were the only people on the planet for a quarter of a million years in length. That's why we're the first Europeans. That's why we're the first North Americans, South Americans, Australians, Chinese East. Wherever you go, you find us because we was on the planet alone. Envy for 250,000 years old. But these sick pretendings, they hate being black so much, they want to be something else. Well, I'm a Cherokee. I'm a Choctaw, I'm a Chickasaw, I'm a Seminole. You might have some of that blood in you because maybe one of your enslaved African ancestors married into them. Or maybe they owned them because all five of those Native American tribes owned blacks. In 1842, there was a slave uprising by enslaved Africans who. Who was owned by the Cherokees. And guess what they did to our ancestors? They lynched them. And why did the white man call them the Five Civilized tribes? Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek and Seminole. Why do they call them civilized? Because they adopted the white man's beliefs, the white man's principles, and they supported black slavery. And they owned us themselves. So when a Negro tell me, I'm Native American, which one? Because the United States government recognizes over 400 different tribes, which one do you belong to? And here's the thing, Jess. You. You may have Native American blood. I have some. You may have some with your high cheekbones, you might have some. Envy. Might have some. But guess What? You got 16 great great grandparents. 16 bloodlines. So if. Jess, if you tell me four of my great great grandparents were Cherokee, okay, you a quarter Cherokee, you're still 75% black. Envy, if you tell me I got four great great grandparents who was Blackfoot Indian.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Cool.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
You still 75% black. These Negroes will find one Indian in a tree. Do you feel me? Charlamagne. You got one Indian in your bloodline, and now you not black no more. Stop lying. We were not already here. We were here before the white man. But we came from Africa.
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DJ Envy
So you don't think that no indigenous black people were already here in America?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Negro, did you just hear what I said? Yes, we came. Abu Bakr bought them.
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DJ Envy
But I'm talking about. I'm talking about not even not being
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Dr. Umar Johnson
born just here already in order for that to. Okay, you mean created by God as a cradle of civilization, there's few things that black scientists and white scientists agree on few, right? Guess what's one thing that we all agree on? Africa is the birthplace of mankind.
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DJ Envy
That's a fact.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Every human family has been genetically traced to Africa. If the black man never leaves Africa, you don't get white people. If the black man never leaves Africa, you don't get Chinese, Arabs, Mexicans, Native Americans. If we don't leave the continent, nobody else ever exists. And they don't. And we don't leave the continent until 70,000 years ago. First of all, the white man is only about 30,000 years old because remember, he's the youngest, right? And the blonde hair, blue eyed white man is only about 15,000 years old. So he's the youngest of the youngest. So these pretendings once again. And they don't want to take no DNA test or you can't give a pretend. Giving a pretending DNA test is like kryptonite, the superman. Because if they put some of that blood, they going to see that you ain't no Native American, you're African. So the next time a negro who look like Kinte tell you he a native American, smack the melon out of his ass for me, please.
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DJ Envy
Damn.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Wow.
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DJ Envy
I do. I just want to ask this final thing about the, I guess the school, but what would it look like? What would it look like, hypothetically, for you to step back and let somebody help build division?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
What do you mean help? I have a team, okay? I can't do it alone. You got your teachers, you got your assistant principals, you got. There's a team, okay? Here's what people don't get. I'm very private. I gotta be, because I'm the front man. So I take all the darts.
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DJ Envy
Got you.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
If I put everybody helping me on the Internet, they would have been fired. They would have lost their jobs. You see what I'm saying? So I can't put them out front. You don't see them until the school open and they have employment with us. I can't put that. They can't afford to do what I do. I was born to do what I do. They were not. They were. They're here to help. You see what I'm saying? So everybody can be out front. Some people got to be underneath, you see? Strategy. I'm not an underneath guy. I'm Garvey, I'm Douglas. I'm out front, but I got to protect my people.
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Charlamagne Tha God
So what happens when the schools are
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Dr. Umar Johnson
open, right, all over, globally and I become the superintendent? Meaning I fall back, right? You the principal in Detroit, hypothetically. He the principal in Chicago, he the principal in Jamaica. Envy the principal in London. You feel me?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
And then I become the superintendent. That's my vision.
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Charlamagne Tha God
But okay, so even with that setup, right, you still, Dr. Umar is super popular in the space that you're in. The darts and the controversy still gonna keep coming your way and that'll trickle down into the school. Like how? What's your plan to fight back against that?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Now remember, now you're right, right. But if you're producing a well educated learner, I mean, you still get your darts. But that's because of who I am.
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DJ Envy
Right.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
But if we have a product that shows these kids are learning and they passing these white man tests, we good. You see what I'm saying? The parents are concerned about the quality of education. They're not concerned about who like or who do not like Dr. Uma. And to be honest with you, because I am who I am and we're educating children to benefit our race. It's our race we are concerned about, not the outsiders. Now, if a white person want to send a white kid to the school, we'll consider it. If the Latinos want to send a Latino kid to the school, we'll consider it. But you better understand, we teach an African spirituality here. So if you see Harriet Tubman floating down the hallway, don't get mad at me.
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DJ Envy
If you had multiple schools, I don't know what they would, what they would Criticize you for, Dr. Umar? Yeah, I really don't.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
I don't know why. Because the criticism is not based on truth. They're not after the truth. They want to slander you because they cannot replace you. You know, I wanted to ask, you know, when you look at all these, these artists, athletes, these black people riding for Donald Trump, asking Donald Trump, what's your thoughts? What's the first thing that comes absolutely insane. Like when you see Nick, you either you're either a coon or you're politically uneducated. Donald Trump has spent the entire first three months of this term eliminating as much black history as he possibly can.
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DJ Envy
That's right.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
He didn't sign executive orders where you can't teach about slavery, you can't teach about racism. He came down to Philly and had them stripped down all the history about the enslaved Africans that George Washington owned. And it wasn't until the good mayor of Philadelphia, Sherrell Parker, she sued him in court and forced them to put it back up. He went into the Smithsonian Museum in D.C. and made them take down all kind of exhibits he hates black people. He hates black people. He is going to go down in history, is one of the most anti black and all of it was anti black. Even Obama, in my opinion. But he's going to go down in history as one of the five times most anti black presidents in American history. And he's doing it on purpose. So how a black person still supports Donald Trump, especially after he eliminated dei, which he struck out the day he got inaugurated. Donald Trump eliminated DEI on Inauguration Day. He didn't even go home and have dinner. He cut it out. And as a result of that, 300,000 black women lost their jobs. And we talked about this before, I told you, there's really no black middle class. There's only haves and have nots. The black middle class is a creation of the government. What do I mean by that? Teachers, police, firemen, the post office, you feel me? Government jobs, white capital, don't hire black people. So if the government don't hire college educated black people, there is no middle class. And that's why when he eliminated dei, you saw the middle class fell right out. Because there is no black middle class. That is a myth. The government created the black middle class and Donald Trump just eliminated it.
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DJ Envy
Now, people, we always hear you speak so strongly against Trump, but you didn't speak strongly for Vice President Kamala Harris.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
I did not. And you don't encourage Kamala Harris, don't care about black people either.
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DJ Envy
But you don't encourage voting, period though, right?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Sure, if you got something to vote for, I voted. But you got to have something to vote for. Kamala Harris was asked specifically, specifically what is your position on reparations? And she said, y' all heard her. I'm not going to do anything just for black people out of her mouth. But you sat by and let Joe Biden give the Native Americans an anti hate bill. You sat by and let Joe Biden Give the LGBTQs a hate bill. You sat by and let Joe Biden give the immigrants a hate bill and give women all kind of bills. So his whole presidency, he taking care of specific groups. Nothing for blacks. Kamala Harris sat in there, did nothing. And then when you get asked about reparations, you say, emotionally she was emotional too. I'm not going to do anything just for black people. And she not going to get my vote until she shows me a black agenda. Y' all know the problems. Miseducation, mass incarceration, police extermination, homelessness, economic apartheid. If you don't deal with the big five problems, that black people have. I'm not voting for you. And we got to stop being suckers, Jess, by listening to what people say. And look at who financed them. All you got to do is look at who financed them. Look at Donald Trump. Who's Donald Trump? Top campaign contributors. Envy. Elon Musk. Miriam Adelson, one of the 50th richest people in the world. She is a casino mogul. She's also a pro Palestine Occupation supporter. Right? Guess who else donated to Donald Trump. Timothy Mellon. Have you ever heard of Carnegie Mellon University? Mellon bank that became Citizens Bank. That's the Mellon family. They created Gulf Oil. You ever see the Gulf Gas? G U L F? That's Mellon. He gave Donald Trump over $100 million. Miriam Adelson gave Donald Trump over $100 million. I think Elon Musk gave him more than $300,000. And guess who gave him a nice $25 million donation. Who? Vince McMahon of the WWF. Why is that important? Because while everybody was riding Sean Puffy Combs, Vince McMahon was accused of worse things than Sean Puffy Combs. While they kept showing us the Cassie video of Puff stomping out Cassie, which was wrong. No man should ever put his hands on a woman. But Vince McMahon was defecating on women. Vince McMahon had people holding women down and they was forcibly assaulting them. Just. It never made the TV. You know why? Because he gave Donald Trump a $25 million don three weeks after Donald Trump got inaugurated. Envy. The federal investigation into Vince McMahon disappeared. Not only that, Jess, Guess who becomes Secretary of Education? And she's still there right now. Linda McMahon, his wife. She never been a principal, a school psychologist or nothing, but she's your Secretary of education. See what $25 million will buy you. This is not a democracy. This is a slavocracy. It is a mediocrity. It is a pharmaocracy. The rule of drugs, the rule of media, the control of black people. And it is an aristocracy. The rule of the rich.
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DJ Envy
I, I, I do want to correct one thing about Kamala Hire. She, she did make those statements. They were kind of out of context.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
But last, what's out of context of saying I'm not going to do nothing specifically for black people. Charlotte, what's out of context?
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DJ Envy
She was speaking in regards to. She was speaking in regards to why she, why she wouldn't. I don't know why. I don't remember. I can't. I want to tell you. I want to tell you new.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Listen, listen.
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DJ Envy
I want to Tell you this, quick quote, listen, because this is what she said to us. I think there has to be some. When we asked her straight up, do you believe reparations? I think there has to be some form of reparations. And we could discuss what that is. But look, we're looking at more than 200 years of slavery. We're looking at almost 100 years of Jim Crow. We're looking at legalized segregation and in fact, segregation on so many levels that exist today based on race. And there has not been any kind of intervention done, understanding the harm and the damage that occurred to correct the course. And so we are seeing the effects of, of all those years play out still today. So she did say this was last year, 2024. I'm sorry, I think there has to be some form of reparations.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
And she didn't give you a single strategy as to how she was going to implement that. Stop playing.
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DJ Envy
But she still said she there should be.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
I'll tell you, she might be the next president because after Donald Trump and the trust he broke with conservative white folks, they might flip Democrat in 2026. But I'm going to tell you what Kamala Harris going to do. Envy. Let's look at New York City. Mayor Zoran Mandami is his name. Black people went crazy over him when he ran. He got elected, got inaugurated in January. Right. I got a question for all y' all right now, Black people are 20% of New York City's population. There are 2 million blacks in New York City. It's the largest black population in the country. Mayor Mamdani appointed five deputy mayors. Five. One of them is a Lebanese. One of them is an Iranian. One of them is Chinese. One of them is something else. None of them are black. Don't stop there. Then he had five commissioners. One of them is a mixed race. Filipino, Puerto Rican. Two of them are Mexican. One of them is a Haitian American. Shout out to my Haitian Africans, but he don't look Haitian. I don't know if he mixed race, which is fine, if he identify with the race, but he don't look Haitian. Okay? And the only black person who got a job, Jess, out of five deputy mayors and five commissioners was a brother who I think may be an American. African Freedman. Okay? And guess what? Mandami put him in charge of the prisons. So you mean to tell me, Jess, Mexicans are only 5% of New York City. Mexicans are only 5% of New York city, and you gave them two commissioner jobs. The Arabs are only 2% of New York City. You gave them two deputy mayorships. Chinese are 7% of New York City. You gave them a deputy mayorship. You gave a Filipino, Puerto Rican a commissioner job. We. 20%. Jess. If you add up the Mexican percentage with the Arat percentage with the Filipino Puerto Rican percentage. And then he also gave.
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DJ Envy
Jess is married to a Mexican.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Yo, chill. Yo, we'll talk about that in a second.
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DJ Envy
Yeah, she's married to a Mexican man.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
So that's why speaking our language kind of. Stop, stop. No, wait. Finish this off first. Finish this. Okay, hold on, hold on.
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DJ Envy
Yes.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Butter almond. Is he telling him so. Let me finish that. So, Indy, if you add up the percentage of. Yes. Mexicans, Arabs, mixed race, Filipino, Puerto Ricans. Yep. And then he also put an Ecuadorian in one of the commissioner spots. And respect to all these communities, by the way. Respect to the Arabs, respect to the Mexicans, respect to the Filipino, Puerto Ricans, respect to the Ecuadorians. But if you add up their percentage of the population, Lauren, it don't even equal to 20% that black people are. And the only job he gave us was the jails. So, Jess, you're telling me, out of 10 spots, the only thing you thought black people were good enough to do in your government is lock people up the hell out of here. And that's exactly what Kamala Harris gonna do. See, when y' all keep talking about Trump got rid of dei, which was wrong. Kamala Harris is going to put it back, Jess. But guess what? Those 300,000 black women, they're not going to get their jobs back. Some of them will. You know who going to get the jobs, Lauren? East Indian immigrants, Chinese immigrants, Latino immigrants. Kamala Harris is going to do exactly what Zaran Mondame is doing in New York. And then he had the nerve to say, charlemagne. Immigrants built New York. Oh, really? Mr. Mayor, do you know your history? Slavery in New York started in 1626 under the Dutch. Remember, New York and New Jersey was under the Dutch. Harlem is a Dutch word. Bedford Stuyvesant is a Dutch word. So we slaved under the Dutch from 1626 to 1664. Envy. Then we slaved under the British from 1664 to 1776. And then we slaved under the Americans from 1776 until New York City outlawed slavery in 1837. That's 201 years. He said immigrants built America. If Mayor Mondani believes immigrants built New York City. Excuse me. If he believes immigrants built New York City. DJ Envy. Where were the East Indians from 1620? 6 to 1837? Where were the Chinese in New York from 1626 to 1837? Where was the Ecuadorians and the Filipino Puerto Ricans in New York City from 1626 to 1837? Black people built New York for 201 years. And you got the nerve to say immigrants did it? And you got the nerve to appoint nine people who not black and only give us control of the prisons when we 20% of the population. He don't like black people no more than Kamala Harris or Donald Trump.
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DJ Envy
When he says immigrants, does he. Doesn't he mean people from Africa?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Well, he also apologized.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Words to me.
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DJ Envy
But doesn't he mean people from Africa?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Negro, we were not immigrants. We were imports.
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DJ Envy
Okay? Imports. Okay? I get what you say.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
We came here against our will. Immigrants come freely.
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DJ Envy
Okay?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
He wasn't talking about us. And then the sister checked him. He had a little podcast interview. Little chocolate sister checked him. And then he said, well, I apologize. He knew what he was saying. Lauren, you know what? He knew what he was saying. Because when you look at his 10 appointments, we only got one. The jail cells.
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DJ Envy
Damn. So let me ask you a question. If. Cause you said, and I want my
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Staten island black freedmen and my Queens black freedmen and my Brooklyn black freedmen and my Bronx black freedmen and my Harlem black freedmen to demand a meeting with Mayor Mondami, a peaceful meeting, to talk about how we got overlooked, even though we delivered him the black vote in this city. And if he does not appoint some more deputy mayors who are American, Africans, who ancestors built this country, he don't get reelected. But then again, Charlemagne, why are we surprised he did this? Jess, do you know where his parents come from? Respectfully, no. They were living in Uganda when the British colonized Uganda. They brought East Indians there from 1895 to 1903 to build the railroads. DJ Envy. And guess what the British did in Uganda and many other African countries and all throughout the Caribbean, including Nicki Minaj's Trinidad. I'm a hold on that they gave the East Indians control of all the petty shops. So if you go to Uganda Today, just today, 1% of Uganda is East Indian. They control 70% of the economy in 1972. Edi Amin, y' all remember him, the great big black dictator, but he was a Pan Africanist. I don't excuse everything he did, but do you know what he did in 1972 when Mayor Mandami's parents was there and one of FBI Director Cash Patel's parents was in Uganda? IDI Amin went to them and sat down with them and he said, listen here, East Indians. You guys are charging my people too much money for the products. You're not hiring no black people. You're not training no black people. You're smuggling your goods into my country. So we're not getting the taxes we need to support the country. You're sabotaging my government. So I need y' all to make some changes. And they basically gave him the finger and said, we ain't doing nothing. And guess what Edi Amin did. He said, y' all got three months to get out of my country. Every last one of you. He made him get out because you was undermining the black community. Now, I'm not demonizing all East Indians. I got East Indian fans. You understand me? I'm not saying they are bad people, but I'm saying historically, there is no history of East Indians supporting Africans. Even Mahatma Gandhi when he was in South Africa as a lawyer fighting for East Indians against apartheid, he refused to help black people. Show me where the East Indian people ever helped us. Hey, we voting for Mondami and voting for Kamala Harris. I'm voting for myself. My flag is red, black and green. Well, they're telling me that Mdani hired Kamar Samuels. He's the New York City Schools Chancellor leading New York City. New York City education is a state function envy and they also telling me that I'm just telling you what the said. What's up?
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Charlamagne Tha God
I saw someone named I looked up give me the title deputy mayor of Ms. Frank but I did so she's deputy mayor.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
But to your what is her ethnicity? I believe because we're talking about jobs for American Africans. What Afua was a chief. What is her ethnicity? And commissioner of the mayor's office of what is her ethnicity?
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DJ Envy
The doctor's right. Like none of Mandani's deputy mayors are black.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Give me the ethnicity ending. This young lady is she's black.
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DJ Envy
They did an article.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Is she American? African Black? No, she's not American, okay? I'm talking about American Africans. Listen, I'm a Pan African.
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DJ Envy
None of Mandani's deputy mayors are black. That's a fact. Like exactly. That came out in the New York Times in January.
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Charlamagne Tha God
They're listening. This lady a.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
You ain't. No.
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DJ Envy
I mean, I read an article.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Listen, Envy, it's not that I have a problem. No, I'm listening to you with the Mexicans, the Arabs, the Filipino, Puerto Rican, the Ecuadorian. Give them their job but add A few more. You know he has the right to add more deputy mayorships. Yes. Why not do it? And you can say what you want to say about Eric Adams. Most of Eric Adams deputy mayors were black. You see that?
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DJ Envy
Yep.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
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DJ Envy
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- [45:22]
Charlamagne Tha God
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- [45:26]
DJ Envy
who see a path forward.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
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Charlamagne Tha God
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Dr. Umar Johnson
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DJ Envy
Her Jamaican father, Dr. Uma, he was
- [46:14]
Dr. Umar Johnson
an East Indian Jamaican, not an African Jamaican. Jamaica is a nationality. You can't let people just say, oh, I'm Jamaican. No. What is your race, Jim? I could, I could go to a white country and get citizenship in England. Does that make me an Englishman? Jamaica is a nationality. What is the race? Listen, I'm a Pan Africanist, so I don't mind people from the diaspora being given a chance to do what they want to do. That's my family. But you can't take care of the immigrants and not take care of the Africans who built the country.
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DJ Envy
So if Kamala Harris becomes president, right,
- [46:44]
Dr. Umar Johnson
she gonna do exactly what Mayor Mandami doing.
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DJ Envy
But what if she came to you? Because, you know, she did say that, you know, she would lead a conversation about reparation. About what?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Lead a conversation.
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DJ Envy
Listen, about what reparations would look like for black people. So she came to you. Okay, said, hey, Doctor, we're going to
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Dr. Umar Johnson
start with 40 acres in a mule what happened in January 1865? In January 1865, General William Tecumseh Sherman decided Special Field Order 15, we going to give the formerly enslaved African freedmen. And by the way, I don't use fba. I use freedmen because that's the legal term that we were considered after we were freed. So I'm a descendant of black freedmen. Do you feel me? He gave the black freedmen 400, 000 acres. Envy from South Carolina to Florida, just on the seacoast. 400,000. Imagine if we had that today. Abraham Lincoln forms the Freedmen's Bureau two months later. And the job of the Freedmen's Bureau just was to give out every black person, some of them acres. It was no mule. It was just the acre. And it wasn't for free. You had to lease to own it. But General Tecumseh Sherman said, we will loan y' all some mules to help toil the field. And guess what happened? Abraham Lincoln gets assassinated. President Andrew Jackson takes his space, takes his place. And what does Andrew Jackson do the moment he takes the presidency after Abraham Lincoln gets assassinated, he undoes special order 15. And he said, all that land goes back to the white man who owned it. So envy for me, we gonna start right there.
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DJ Envy
And gave slave masters reparations.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Yes, he did. And paid them for each slave that got free. But we going, I want my 400,000 right there on the water. Give me that back. I want control of all black music. I want control of all black inventions. We don't pay no more taxes. Also, black people are concentrated in 10 states. New York, New Jersey, California, Illinois, Maryland, most of them are on the east. We control that seaport. Anything coming into that seaport, we get a tax. Anything going out, we get a tax on that. Here's the point that I'm getting at, y'. All. Anything we ask for in reparations should be things that never expire with time. Because the benefit of American slavery was. Will never expire. Charlemagne, when I hear Negroes talking about money, remember Bob Johnson, who sold BET? And now Tyler Perry just sold his percentage of BET? Bob Johnson said every black person should get about $250,000 for 246 years of slavery. Negro, are you crazy? Money runs out, but the benefit of our ancestors, labor, will never expire. So whatever we get, envy should never run out. I don't mind if you got money on the list, Jess, but money can't be up top. Yeah, because if the list is right, envy. If the list is right, we can make all the money we want from what we already got. Why are you listing money but our people so materialistic. We don't think deep enough. The American money doesn't have a mineral equivalent. There's no gold equivalent for the dollar no more. They took the US dollar off the gold standard years ago. It's a promissory note. So if we get paid in cash. You know how they can sabotage reparations in one day? Just inflate the dollar, drop the value of the dollar. And whatever they paid you, let's say they gave us $2 trillion in one day. It's 1 trillion in one month. You almost got nothing. You don't play with money. We want concessions, resources and control. Now you also asked about.
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Charlamagne Tha God
She don't believe in direct cash payments.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Who?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Kamala Harris.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
She don't believe in nothing.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Well, she said that she wanted it.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
See, the problem with you Democratic party plantation slaves. Listen. Black queens forever. Snow bunnies, never. The problem with you Democratic Party plantation slaves. You see, Jess, they can't let it go. We've been so hypnotized by the Democrats. Y' all can't let it go. Bill Clinton locked up more black people than any president in history since the end of slavery. And we still cryin Democrat. You don't have no friends. I don't want a blue wing or a red wing. Cause I don't eat chicken wings. Now you gotta talk about. You know, we stopped you. She's with a tall Mexican.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yo, relax over here.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Listen, I gotta ask you something too. No, no, respectfully' cause this is my sister right here. Even if she bunny hopped, I'm gonna ask the ancestors. Not a bunny hopper. Is he Mexican?
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Charlamagne Tha God
He's black too. He's Mexican.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
He's a black, but he's more black. Okay, so one parent is what? Black American? African. African. From the continent.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
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DJ Envy
Over there.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
They've gone to somewhere, you know. They. You sure? Yes.
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Charlamagne Tha God
African.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
And his mother is half black African, right? Not no White African.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
No. Hell no. We ain't got none of that straight.
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DJ Envy
She told us the other day where his daddy was from. It was not no Africa. What you told us what he was from.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
His father is.
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Charlamagne Tha God
His father is African. Like for real.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Real.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Like up and down to the ground like dashi, like. You know what I'm saying?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Okay. And then the. The.
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Charlamagne Tha God
His mother is half Mexican. Her mother is Mexican and her father was black.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
So you saying 75%?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
And if I saw a picture of him, I'm gonna say that's a brother. Yeah.
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DJ Envy
I never heard this equation,
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Dr. Umar Johnson
course locks. You know what I'm saying? Yo, he might identify as a black man full time. Up and down. Full time?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
He don't even speak. He don't speak Spanish. Nobody in my house even speaks Spanish.
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DJ Envy
We went to a concert one time and I like the brother. He's a great brother. He walked in, hey, kids don't play charlamagne. Where the tacos.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
That's. Look, cause he don't.
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Charlamagne Tha God
He don't like fried food.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
All he had was.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Was chicken strips and fries. We don't eat fries. You know, we trying to.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
You know, I'mma take your word.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. No, for real.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
If his father black and his mom half black and he identify full time as black.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
He get a pass. He don't even.
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Charlamagne Tha God
He. When people say Mexican, he be like, what?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
So if he came to a Dr. Umar lecture. Yes. If he came to a Dr. Umar lecture, he would not feel out of. Out of place.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Hell no.
- [52:26]
Dr. Umar Johnson
He want to come to one.
- [52:27]
Charlamagne Tha God
He wanted to come today because he
- [52:29]
Dr. Umar Johnson
knew you was coming.
- [52:30]
Charlamagne Tha God
He was mad you didn't come yesterday.
- [52:31]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Okay, because the next one of you black women give your yoni verse to a non African. I'm a bust a gasket. I'm tired of the bunny hopping. No ice.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I have a question.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
No rice.
- [52:42]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's right.
- [52:42]
Dr. Umar Johnson
No spice. No sand. No salsa. Y' all know the rules.
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DJ Envy
She just got off the rice.
- [52:48]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Are you serious? I said, where was she dating? She was on the race.
- [52:54]
Charlamagne Tha God
I said, I've always dated black men. I said Travis Kelce was cute. And now they think I like white men. Cuz I said Travis Kelce was cute.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Kelsey, that was her.
- [53:02]
Charlamagne Tha God
Chad Hanks was never mentioned. Y' all made that up.
- [53:05]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I don't have a problem if you think they attractive as long as you don't cross the line. She tried. I've seen attractive white girls. I've seen attractive Latino girls. You seen attractive white girls? Sure, I've seen attractive white.
- [53:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
When you see them, because I don't say nothing.
- [53:18]
Dr. Umar Johnson
What do you mean?
- [53:18]
Charlamagne Tha God
What do I. I'm just wondering, like, if could you.
- [53:21]
Dr. Umar Johnson
In my. These white women are so narcissistic. They cannot believe that there's black men who don't want them.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Right?
- [53:28]
Dr. Umar Johnson
The curvy ones, the five. Five thick in the thigh. They be in my box, sending me everything.
- [53:33]
DJ Envy
They trying to set you up.
- [53:34]
Dr. Umar Johnson
That's what that is?
- [53:35]
DJ Envy
Yeah, they want.
- [53:35]
Dr. Umar Johnson
It's FBI, CIA, Cash, Patel, something.
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Charlamagne Tha God
So never like, even back in the day. Never even Cause I know some black men who've, like, tried it.
- [53:44]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I had a white girl in college who was in love with me. Her name was Beth, and she had the fattest white cinnabuns I ever seen in my life. We was both psychology majors. And I never bent Beth over because it's against my principles.
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Charlamagne Tha God
That's right.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Ain't no white woman on this planet can ever say Dr. Umar had any of their honeycomb hideout. Okay? Shut up, envy. Shut up, envy.
- [54:09]
Charlamagne Tha God
Can I ask you a serious question?
- [54:11]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Sure. This is serious. If I catch you bunny hopping, I'm gonna snatch your melodies.
- [54:17]
Charlamagne Tha God
You don't gotta worry about me.
- [54:19]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Talk about I love a brown girl grinding. Are you trying to grind on a Caucasian colonized?
- [54:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
I am grinding. Wait, whoa. My grandma listens to the show. She knows I'm not bringing her. Yes, she is. Very. And she don't play that. She knows. Okay, my man is black, honey and chocolate.
- [54:35]
Dr. Umar Johnson
What's your question?
- [54:37]
Charlamagne Tha God
My question is. Oh, why they keep putting you and Suki, like, together? Y' all took those couple pictures. Now, they said, like, shout out to
- [54:44]
Dr. Umar Johnson
my sister Suki, who's also Wilmington, Delaware.
- [54:47]
Charlamagne Tha God
My sister as well. Yes.
- [54:48]
Dr. Umar Johnson
She actually graduated from the school we now own when it was the Moyer Academy, Black charter school.
- [54:53]
Charlamagne Tha God
I be telling people she went to school in Delaware, and they don't be.
- [54:55]
Dr. Umar Johnson
She went to the Moyer Academy. Yeah. Suki is a friend of mine. I'm not the father of the child.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Okay?
- [55:00]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Okay. She's happy and looking forward to being a mother again. And of course, I support her as her brother now down the line. Cause I don't have a son down the line if I need a heir to the throne. Because I need a prince of Pan Africanism, Junior. If I ain't wifed out, Suki might carry that baby from me.
- [55:22]
DJ Envy
That's Kiana.
- [55:23]
Dr. Umar Johnson
That's interesting, because Suki is conscious.
- [55:25]
Charlamagne Tha God
People don't know that about her either.
- [55:26]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Now, don't get me wrong. She would have to make some changes to be mama of the prince, right? But Suki is very much conscious. And I'll be honest with you, if something happened to me, God forbid, she is one of the few women I know who I do think would raise my son the way I would want him to be. Do you feel me on that? Because a lot of women date US activists and us Pan Africanists. But the minute we go to jail or something, they go get Mike Mike and Tay Tay selling dope on the corner. How did you go from a damn revolutionary to a dope boy. You see what I'm saying? I don't think Suki would do that. Like, her character to me suggests that your son gonna be the way you wanted him to be.
- [56:03]
Charlamagne Tha God
When I first met her, I literally tell people this all the time. When I first met her, everything about her was super conscious. It was super. Like, it was so different than what?
- [56:11]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Absolutely.
- [56:12]
Charlamagne Tha God
What she was on.
- [56:13]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Absolutely.
- [56:13]
Charlamagne Tha God
So when I tell people that, they're like, it's no way. And every now and then, she'll sit down and do an interview, and it'll. And people will hear it, and they're, like, amazed. I'm like, this is how she was since I've ever known her.
- [56:23]
Dr. Umar Johnson
The conversation blew me away.
- [56:24]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
- [56:25]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I couldn't believe she was the same sister from the video. You feel me? Intelligent, brilliant.
- [56:30]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
- [56:30]
Dr. Umar Johnson
And I'm saying to myself, and so
- [56:32]
Charlamagne Tha God
pro us how you end up here. Very pro us she is.
- [56:35]
Dr. Umar Johnson
But I know. I know. I have faith in her. I have faith in Sister Sukihana, and I believe that before it's all over, she gonna shock the world.
- [56:41]
DJ Envy
How did she end up here? Was it just performative just to get high or what is it?
- [56:45]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I don't know. I didn't ask her. I didn't ask her, but I. I don't think she's staying there. I don't think she's staying there.
- [56:50]
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think so either. She has too much inside of her that has stayed there from.
- [56:53]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Too much to offer. Talented. You know, I got a lot of faith in that, sister.
- [56:58]
DJ Envy
I saw Drew ski apologize to you because he was.
- [57:01]
Dr. Umar Johnson
He better apologize. Autumn views. I got him on that episode. Gonna sit up here in the Breakfast Club and tell y' all they had to get me off the set. Negro ain't a negro. You never pull me off no set nowhere. That episode I did with Drew Ski went crazy. Shout out to Drew because he told the church about the black church.
- [57:17]
DJ Envy
Apologize because he was sitting courtside with a white woman.
- [57:20]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I didn't sweat that because I don't know if they was dating.
- [57:22]
Charlamagne Tha God
They were dating.
- [57:23]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Oh, they are. He's a Bunny Hopper. Drew Ruski. You got 500 lashes coming. Jesus dang it. Did you see. Did you see Nicole Curtis? When Nicole Curtis was up here by any chance? Who's Nicole Curtis?
- [57:33]
Charlamagne Tha God
The fart nigger lady.
- [57:35]
Dr. Umar Johnson
What?
- [57:35]
Charlamagne Tha God
She said fart.
- [57:37]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Y' all had her here. Why?
- [57:38]
Charlamagne Tha God
Charlemagne said she can come up here because she.
- [57:47]
Dr. Umar Johnson
What are you. What the. Actually, I wanted n play for him.
- [57:54]
DJ Envy
He. I wanted her here with you. I want. But you had rescheduled that day. I wanted her here when you was here.
- [58:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
Why?
- [58:02]
Dr. Umar Johnson
It's my last one. Oh, fart. What the Is that that I just said? Nick, you got to. You got to. Can you kill that? I wish you had a real version. Where was she at? She wasn't in here when she said that. She has an aggressive TV show. She was doing remodeling, and she was screwing something in, and she missed the
- [58:22]
DJ Envy
screw and she said, fart.
- [58:24]
Dr. Umar Johnson
What did that mean? Fart What? Why the fart? What that got to do with the screw? The farting part?
- [58:27]
DJ Envy
She don't even know. She said she got a bunch of sons and they say fart for everything. So she makes up words, and she says.
- [58:32]
Charlamagne Tha God
She usually says, fart bigger or fart knock and gel together, because that's when
- [58:37]
Dr. Umar Johnson
you accidentally say what you really meant. Nah, that's not acceptable. Nobody should be using the N word. Not even us.
- [58:43]
DJ Envy
I agree.
- [58:44]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Not even us.
- [58:45]
DJ Envy
But it's so hard, though.
- [58:46]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Why is it hard?
- [58:47]
DJ Envy
Because these.
- [58:47]
Dr. Umar Johnson
It ain't hard for Chinese not to use the pejorative words used against them. It ain't hard for Jews not to use the pejorative words used against them. Why are we the only people who can't let go of the slave instinct?
- [58:58]
DJ Envy
I know, man, but, God, these.
- [59:00]
Dr. Umar Johnson
That word was used to dehumanize us. It wasn't just a name. They said we were not people. Before we could fight to get free, we had to fight to prove we were human beings. They said we were not even people. Animals.
- [59:10]
DJ Envy
You know the N words I'm talking about, though, man?
- [59:13]
Dr. Umar Johnson
No, we got to come up with another word.
- [59:14]
DJ Envy
Even the Youtubian struggle screamers.
- [59:18]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Even them.
- [59:19]
DJ Envy
It's hard not to call them that.
- [59:20]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I know, I know. But we got to work on it because we don't want another generation of black children using that word. We got to kill it at some point.
- [59:26]
DJ Envy
You're right.
- [59:27]
Charlamagne Tha God
So this is not about the N word and the people. I have a question about your daughter, Lisa. So that unfolded online.
- [59:34]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Yes.
- [59:35]
Charlamagne Tha God
Right.
- [59:35]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I was in Sweden, and I'm in Sweden getting ready to speak last year. A year now.
- [59:40]
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay. Yeah, a year.
- [59:41]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Last week.
- [59:41]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
- [59:42]
Dr. Umar Johnson
And my daughter goes live, and she says, I'm looking for my dad, and I want to have a conversation with my dad. He's never been in my life, and I just want to know why. And I'm sitting there watching her in Sweden, envying, saying, look at my beautiful daughter lying like the gospel. First of all, we've been in contact throughout her life, by phone. And every time I try to get to see my daughter, she never shows up. Why? Because her mother raised her to not like me. And the reason her mother raised her to not like me is her mother told me to my face, God is my witness and my ancestors are in the room, if you do not marry me, it will be both of us or neither one of us. She told me I would not be in my daughter's life. I took her to court. I got all the paperwork. A file like this, contempt of court orders. Because I was in my daughter's life up until about 5, 6, 7. That's when the mom stepped it up, right? I guess she found a man. You know how that go. They don't want you around when a man around cause he might feel insecure. So they keep you at your kid's life just to please the man, whatever the case may be. And the court would never arrest her. They would never find her. I remember one day the judge said, y' all got the biggest file in my court. I said, you, Honor, if you punish her, maybe she'll stop keeping my daughter from me. But if I file contempt, and every time I come down here, y' all don't do nothing but tell her to stop, why she gonna stop? But my daughter knows this. Because we've spoken before. And she texts me about once or twice a year. And every time she texts me, I want to see you winning. Where? In fact, since she came out last year, Envy. It's been a year, right? Guess what? I ain't seen her yet. But you told the whole world you want a conversation? You told the whole world you got some questions. Well, guess what, princess. Your daddy been trying to meet with you face to face since you call yourself exposing me. And I ain't seen you yet because it was never about meeting your dad. It was about becoming a struggle. Streamer. When that Drew ski episode blew up, she probably said, hey, maybe I could skate off my dad name, too. And that's exactly what she did. But I love my baby. She's a baby. I'm gonna let her. It's gonna take time. I don't think she's gonna come to me until she's out of her mama's house. Because her mama don't like me. You follow what I'm saying? So I just gotta be patient. But I ended up in that situation. But I fought it. I fought it, and the courts never back me. I fought it with lawyers, without lawyers, and maybe it's just the city of Philadelphia. And there's a lot of brothers there who will back me up. They don't do a lot to make sure you see your child. They give you the paper. I got the custody paper. But who going to enforce it? I can't kick in the door. You see what I'm saying? Grab a mom by the throat, then I'm done, Right? So it's a shame, but I take full responsibility for it. Because if I don't get her pregnant, I'm not in the situation. And the one thing I say to black men is this. Black women, y' all don't have to take responsibility for what y' all didn't know about a man. If your child's father does you wrong, you don't have to take responsibility for what you didn't know about him. But if we. If a woman does us wrong, we got to take responsibility for what we didn't know about her. Because we are the men. You follow what I'm saying? We're the leaders. I can't use the excuse that I didn't know her mother would do me like that. I didn't know her mother would do me like that. But if I don't get her pregnant, I'm not here. And so what I try to tell the young brothers, forget the excuses. It don't matter. Are you a man or are you not take responsibility for your decisions. If I don't impregnate that woman, I'm not here today with this problem.
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Charlamagne Tha God
How old is she?
- [62:50]
Dr. Umar Johnson
22,002. Right? To 22 is 23, 25. She'll be 24 on May 6th.
- [62:57]
Charlamagne Tha God
So what is her life?
- [62:58]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Same day as Martin Delaney, grandfather, Pan Africanist.
- [63:00]
Charlamagne Tha God
You said when she gets out of her mother's house. So, like, normally at that age, kids are like, college or like, what is she doing? Like, why is she not.
- [63:06]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I haven't spoken with her, Okay? I want to see her face to face. And I told her that I don't want to do a bunch of phone calls. You feel me? You said all this on the Internet, face to face.
- [63:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
Your father, and you said you want her mom in that meeting when y' all do.
- [63:17]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I would have liked to, but she don't have to be. See, I know the mother. The purpose of the mom was to clarify the history. Yeah. You feel me? I wanted her mom to tell me to my face. I never tried to be in my. I wanted her to say that to my face. Right? That was only for the history. Mom ain't gonna do that. Cause mom know I'm gonna expose her. So forget Mom. I don't mean that disrespectfully. Right.
- [63:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
I get what you mean.
- [63:36]
Dr. Umar Johnson
I'm just saying it's for me and my daughter. She's 24. She will be, God willing. It's time for us to do what we got to do.
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DJ Envy
Now, I want to. I want to end on this note, Dr. Umar. Cause I always think.
- [63:45]
Dr. Umar Johnson
And we.
- [63:46]
DJ Envy
We got. What else we got.
- [63:47]
Dr. Umar Johnson
Negro, you ain't hit. We ain't talk about the Epstein.
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DJ Envy
Okay?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
And then I want to know why you said ugly people should only date ugly people. So go ahead, Epstein, go. Okay, let's go with the Epstein. I want to give you two psychological experiments. In 1961, there was a white psychologist from Yale, Stanley Milgram. He did an experiment called the Milgram Experiment. It was to test people's obedience to authority. He had about 40 guys. Some were students, some were the teacher. If. Jess. If it was God. So I'll say Charlemagne, if Charlamagne get the answers wrong, I have to. I have to shock you. Every time he get another answer wrong, the shot gets stronger and stronger. Now, here's the thing. I don't want to shock him. And I know the shock is dangerous. It could end up killing him. They don't really know that. It's not a real shock, though. You feel me? But because authority kept telling them to do it, what the research showed. Charlemagne. Envy is. People will voluntarily give up their principles and their morals to be obedient to authority. I'm a tie this into Epstein. Stay with me. There was another research experiment, 1984. It tested men's desensitization to sexual violence. They showed college male sexual violence on the TV when they first saw it. I can't watch this. This is disgusting. This is evil. Right? But the more they saw it, the more desensitized they became. By the end of the week, it didn't even bother them. Just why am I bringing this up? Let me tell you what they did with Jeffrey Epstein. They knew they was going to have to release the papers. You feel me? But they said we got to desensitize the American people first. Because if we roll this out right now, they gonna want justice for all 300 millionaires and billionaires who are listed in them papers. Remember? 6 million pages, 3 million documents, 180,000 pictures and 2,000 videos. So guess what they decided. We gonna roll out Bill Cosby first in 2018. We gonna let them feast on Bill Cosby. And then we're gonna roll out R. Kelly. And then we're gonna roll out Sean Combs. And then we're gonna give him a little bit of sexual accusations against Tyler Perry and a little bit of sexual accusations against Smokey Robinson and a little bit of sexual accusations against TD Jakes and Donnie Mc Desensitizing the American people. Look at this. Look at the timeline. 2018, Bill Cosby gets convicted. 2019, Surviving R. Kelly, Part 1. 2020, Surviving R. Kelly, part 2. 2021, R. Kelly gets convicted in New York. 2022, R. Kelly gets convicted in Chicago. 2023, Sean Combs settles with Cassie. 2024, Sean Combs arrested. 2025. 20, Sean Combs convicted. 2026. You get the Epstein papers? Do you see what they just did, Jess? They used the negroes as crash dummies to desensitize the American people. So by the time they got around to Epstein, you don't even care. Let me ask you a question. If America is so upset about them Epstein papers, why hasn't there been a single protest with more than 5,000 people in it since when the white people thought Donald Trump got robbed of the election. They went to the Capitol. January 6, 2021. People died. People got hurt. They tried to take over the government because they thought Donald Trump got cheated. But you don't do nothing. Hearing about kids being eaten, kids being unalived, women being sexually assaulted. They even said it on papers that they were breeding kids. They had a slave. They were slave farming the kids Charlamagne like a slave farm, so they wouldn't have a birth certificate or SSI number so you couldn't track them. You had a woman's protest the first day of Donald Trump's office when he took office in 2017. Five million women. You just had the no Kings protest last year. Every state had a no Kings Protest. Envy. Over 7 million people showed up. But you mean to tell me you hear about the worst incident of sex abuse in your life and the American people done nothing? You know why, Jess? We don't want to admit it. The American people are desensitized to sexual violence against children. And guess what? As a result of that, Lauren, you're going to see more of it. 170,000 women go missing every year in America. Black women are 40 of that. It's going to get worse. And I can promise you something else. When the American Psychiatric association meet to come out with the new DSM manual right now, what's the age of sexual majority right now? 16. 16 is sexual liberation. I promise you it's Going to go down to 13. If they don't drop it this time, they're going to drop it the next time. You know why? Because they can clearly see that the American people will let us do whatever we want because they desensitize us with Puffy and R. Kelly. Listen, when R. Kelly was being convicted, the Roman Catholic church just came out with a big study in France. They said they had 215,000 kids that was abused. In Spain, they had about 100 and something thousand. In America, they said 4,000 complaints from four. 4,000 different victims. Nobody paid it no mind. Why? Because everybody was focused on surviving R. Kelly. Do you know Sean Combs got arrested the same month in the October of 2024 as Mike Jeffries, the CEO of Abercrombie and F. Did you see what he was accused of? This man was trafficking men, forcing them to have sex with each other. With other men. Sex assault. His 16 counts. How many counts did Puff have? Like three counts. He had 16 counts. And guess what? They gave him a bail of $10 million and repeatedly told us, puffy don't get no bail. Look at that. And look at Vince McMahon, Trump guy. Look at all these white men who did things worse than Sean Combs and they didn't go to jail or get convicted. And so I'm going to say right here, and I don't care who don't like it. Free Diddy. Free Diddy. Because if Vince McMahon ain't got to go to jail, why is Puffy in jail? If all these white men, 300 of them, was on this island abusing kids and women and they was impregnating teenagers against. They will. What? And nobody's going to jail. You heard Cash Patel. We have no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked children to anybody else. Use a lie.
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Charlamagne Tha God
You had.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
You said you had his black book and then you took it back and said you didn't have the black book. And then Attorney General Pam Bondi said what? She said if we prosecute everybody involved. What did she say? Something like the whole government would collapse.
- [69:46]
DJ Envy
System will collapse. She said it. Not just the government. She said the whole system.
- [69:49]
Dr. Umar Johnson
The whole system. Envy and Sean Combs and. Nah, Free Diddy. But, you know, let him out.
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DJ Envy
But you know the reason why, though.
- [69:54]
Dr. Umar Johnson
What's up? White and black. Oh, of course. But here's what black people need to know. The Epstein island may have just been for the elite whites, but they have sex farms all over the country. Why do you think 40% of the missing women are ours? They are doing Sacrifices on black women and black children, too. Charlamagne. You can't have that many women go missing every year. Envy. That's a system. That's a system. That ain't random crime. That's a system.
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DJ Envy
The Gregory told us that, too.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Yes, it's just that the Epstein island is for the elites. I bet you they got them in New York. They probably got a place in every state where they take kids and do these things. And one of the reasons they do these things is why Charlamagne. They believe that if they drink, okay. The adrenalized blood of children, it helps them live longer. The whole vampire. That's why you got the vampire movie out right now. The whole vampire allegory of Envy. That's real. But the vampires don't live in no castle. They live in your government headquarters.
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DJ Envy
So you think Sinners was government propaganda?
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Dr. Umar Johnson
No, Sinners was. And speaking of sinners, Ryan Coogler got robbed.
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DJ Envy
Oh, of course. Ryan Coogler. Absolutely.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Sinners should have got. Don't get me wrong, I love One Battle After Another. Those are my two favorite movies of the year.
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DJ Envy
I didn't like One Battle After.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
No, I loved it. That was a revolutionary flick. I loved it. I loved it. And I think the three Sisters in it did well. But in terms of best movie, Sinners was more original.
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DJ Envy
Absolutely.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
It was more authentic. Absolutely. You follow what I'm saying? It came from a completely different place with the African culture, with the vampire mythology in it. It was too original to not have one Best Picture and he should have won Best Director. But the Oscars is racist. And we notice because when Hattie McDaniel won her Oscar back in the day, do you know, they had to bring her her award at the hotel? Tell Jess they wouldn't let her sit in the Oscars. So you mean to tell me the Oscars been around for 97 years? Charlamagne. And we only got six male best actors. Holly Berry, 1927.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Okay. They say 98.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Okay, maybe they rounding up or maybe I'm off by one. But 1927, right. All the way to now. You had six men and one woman, and Denzel and Holly won the same year, so I'm counting them as one. That mean we get one best actor award every six, 16 years and zero black directors and zero. And did you see when they received their awards? Go back and look. When Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan. I'm a big fan of yours. You better not be bunny hopping. You better.
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DJ Envy
He used to be a notorious Bunny Hopper. I think he got it.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Oh, he better not.
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DJ Envy
I think he got it.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
He better not. But anyway, if you look at when he received his award, look at the guys who gave it to him. And when Ryan Coogler got his award, look. Look at they face. You can see nothing but jealousy, disdain and envy. Watching that movie. Watch. Excuse me, watching that award show, it felt like a Ku Klux Klan rally. You could cut the tension in the room. They did not want sinners to walk away with all them awards. And they should have walked away with at least Best Director and best movie. Yes, hands down. But one battle after another. One thing I'm gonna say about that, they did show you how the secret societies operate. Remember Sean Penn was going to unalive his mixed race daughter because he couldn't get into that Christmas club if he ever been with a black woman. That's how. And did you see when he go met with the leaders of the Christmas club? He went into a regular house, but it was a compound. That's how Epstein island is. You think you in a regular neighborhood until you get in there and you see this is a whole underground compound. And let me tell you, there's a little, there's a little bit of a conspiracy I got with this too. Envy. Assata Shakur of the Black Liberation Army. She passed away on September 25, Jess. In Cuba, right in exile. Barack Obama raised the bounty on her head, by the way. That's why I have very little respect for that man. He let the FBI raise the bounty on the side of Shakur head to $2 million. But anyway, she dies on September 25. One battle after another comes out the very next day. And if you look at the. The character that Teyana Teller plays, minus the bunny hopping. It's society, Shakur. And even in the movie. Did you hit them? They say when she escaped. What did they say? She went to Cuba. Here's what I'm trying to find out. How in the hell did they know? Is it just a coincidence that Assata Shakur dies the day before that movie come out? And Teyana Teller's character is damn near Assata Shakur. You think they can? I have to wonder, Envy, if they took her out and then made a fool of her, tried to. Cause they can't do that to her. And made a fool of her by having Teyana Teller play her right and didn't have her lusting over all these white men.
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DJ Envy
What about her gave USADA Shakur in the movie the whole thing.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
She was a revolutionary fighting against the government for justice for freedom. Minus the sex with the white man. It was a side of. They even said cuba. You see? And I did not appreciate the fact that they made my beautiful sister, Teyana Teller play a role with all that extra white sex. It wasn't necessary. You got a white man in, Liam. No, no, no, no. Look. No, you saw it, right?
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DJ Envy
You saw it.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
She made him masturbate. Come on. And then she had sex with him in a stall. Come on. And then she already. And every time her and Leonardo go on one of the strikes, she want to have sex in between strikes. Revolutionaries don't operate like that. They very disciplined. Oh, let's do it now, baby. We got a minute. Let's do it now, baby. And then she's pregnant with Sean Penn's baby, but she got Leonardo da Vinci thinking the baby is DiCaprio.
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DJ Envy
I'm sorry.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
DiCaprio thinking he painted the first white Jesus. What is next for Dr. Umar? What is next for doctor? What is next for the Prince of Pan Africa? Well, first of all, I just want to say thank you to my supporters, man, for getting us across the finish line. Like this was a hard journey. We took our first donation in 2014 in St. Louis. We got to school in 2013. 19. And now we. We here now. And what's next for me? Couple books coming out. My For Sisters only book. I gotta finish that second edition of Psycho Academic Holocaust is coming out. What else I got going on, really? It's just the school right now. I won't be traveling as much as I used to. I'll still be traveling, but it won't be like it was. Because now it's time to lock down and get the school ready. So if anybody need to make a donation, hit your PayPal. PayPal? Me. FDMG Academy. Once we get the Certificate of Occupancy, we're going to decorate the school. It's going to look like Wakanda. And then we going to have our grand opening. And then we're going to get ready for the children. We're going to hurt the game. I can't even tell y' all everything we got in store. Once you see what we do, you going to want every black boy at that school.
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DJ Envy
I tell you one thing, doctor, almost
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Charlamagne Tha God
every weekend when I go home, people
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DJ Envy
give you a lot of flack. But I believe that you are who you say you are. And one thing they can't say about you, you love black people.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
And I'm consistent. I ain't never black people. Oh, we ain't even talk about the FBA ADOs thing. Maybe next time. Next time. Okay, but if anybody got to reach me, 215-989-9858. That's 215-989-9858. And if you need to email me princeofpan africanism gmail.com. we spell Africa with a K, not a C. Prince of Pan Africanism. Mail.com. spell Africa with a K. Black power. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you for joining us. Appreciate y'. All. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Hold up.
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DJ Envy
Every day I wake up.
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Dr. Umar Johnson
Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club.
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Charlamagne Tha God
This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.