INTERVIEW: Eva Marcille Dishes On 'Top Model' Doc, Self Love, New Film + More

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club

Episode: INTERVIEW: Eva Marcille Dishes On 'Top Model' Doc, Self Love, New Film + More
Date: February 26, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guest: Eva Marcille

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Overview

In this vibrant and candid episode of The Breakfast Club, Eva Marcille—model, actress, and reality star—joins DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, and Charlamagne Tha God to discuss her experiences with America's Next Top Model in light of the new documentary, the realities of branding as a model, her journey toward self-love, mental health in reality TV, her new Lifetime movie "Pushed Off a Plane and Survived," and updates on her personal life and relationships. Eva's honesty and humor shine through as she reflects on past challenges, her take on the Top Model legacy, and the importance of growth and representation for Black women.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Press Shyness Around the Top Model Documentary

[03:16 - 04:47]

• Charlamagne points out how many Top Model alums are avoiding the press while the documentary is out; Eva is candid about this dynamic.
• Eva shares: “Doing Top Model definitely puts a scarlet letter on your back… I changed my name to Eva Marcille, which is my legal middle name... so they’d just see Eva, and I’d get the role. Later, they’d realize oh my God, that’s that girl from that show. But I can tell you about 10,000 doors are closed, for sure.” ([04:31])
• She explains how being associated with reality TV came with mixed opportunities vs. stigma: “It was an odd time because a big transition happened where reality stars became the big thing. But it didn’t change when it came to Top Model because it was a TV show first for them. For us, it was a competition.” ([05:43])

2. Evolution of Reality TV and Branding

[06:26 - 07:56]

• Eva credits Tyra Banks for early emphasis on branding, noting, “She put you through a boot camp. If you get this done, you go out into the world, you’re gonna be a star. And then we went out…and they were like, ‘I’m sorry Mr. Star, when are you gonna twinkle?’” ([06:26])
• On the real aftermath: “They were like, no, we gonna give you $100,000... Not quickly.” ([07:38])
• She affirms she got her “hundreds,” compared to some contestants who had payment issues. ([07:56])

3. Representation, Identity, and Era Context

[08:24 - 10:21]

• Eva highlights how Season 3 cast stood out for its unique representation and star power.
• “I think that it was just a great group of stars. They got women that were bona fide stars in their own right. I don’t know if the producers knew exactly what it is they were gonna tap into and really make that star twinkle, but they taught us how to shine, and they had stars, like it or not.” ([09:00])
• She lovingly references Takara and Yaya as continued standouts.

4. Missing from the Documentary & Defending Tyra

[10:53 - 14:31]

• Eva was not invited to speak in the documentary and anticipated a negative skew: “After 22 years of a show, there’s no way you can actually do a positive documentary speaking about the way this woman truly changed the modeling game without talking to the people that helped do so.” ([11:06])
• She defends Tyra Banks: “I rock Hard Body with Tyra Lynn Banks.” ([11:49])
• Eva illustrates how context and times have changed: “We don’t do ourselves a proper service when we look at something like Top Model, which was so historic… Did she stumble along the way? I don’t see anybody at the Olympics who didn’t. We all stumble. To air is to be human…” ([12:36])

5. Mental Health & Criticism in Reality TV

[17:51; 18:02-23:48]

• Charlamagne asks about mental health: “What did the show get wrong, especially with young women?”
• Eva reflects: “I think what we forget is that we were all young. We were very, very young and we were very impressionable...This show gave us a promise of a dream and of a career. I think somewhere inside of ourselves that we knew that wasn’t really true.” ([23:39])
• On harsh directness: “Truth and honesty and hurt are all different things.…Truth without compassion is cruelty.” (Charlamagne, [24:07])
• Eva recounts Janice Dickinson’s harsh advice post-win: “After winning, she was like, ‘Thank God, now you can finally get your nose job.’” ([24:29])

6. On Self-Image, Confidence, and Family

[24:51 - 26:25]

• Eva addresses how criticism affected her: “I didn’t know what was wrong [with my nose], so I didn’t know what to make right. Which was the hardest part.” ([26:03])
• She credits her family for grounding her confidence: “My parents were very militant. The computer room was exactly that because we read Encyclopedia Britannicas every single day... Straight A’s, Dean’s List, scholarships. That was me.” ([25:25])

7. Updates on Love and Personal Life

[26:48 - 35:46]

• Eva shares a vulnerable update on her relationship with Mike and their family life post-divorce: “He will always be my forever because we have children together... Now we can joke. We shoot pool... We are at such a different space and I think that is more important than the labels.” ([33:12], [34:50])
• She values authenticity over appearances: “What world do we wanna give them? The world of labels and ideas of what the world thinks we should be, or the truth—mom is there for every holiday… That is the forever.” ([35:22])

8. New Lifetime Movie: "Pushed Off a Plane and Survived"

[27:22 - 39:12]

• Eva describes the plot: “It’s about a woman named Janae…serial entrepreneur…does extremely well for herself. The one thing she has never focused on is love.” ([27:22])
• On survival and trust: “The movie is a lesson about trusting someone too soon as an accomplished woman. But when is too soon?” ([30:28])
• Fun behind-the-scenes: The hardest parts were the drowning and falling scenes—“You can’t fake drown. So you have to really drown. The drowning scene was absolutely insane.” ([38:10])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On stigma of Top Model:

  • “I changed my name to Eva Marcille…so they’d just see Eva…I can tell you about 10,000 doors are closed, for sure.” — Eva Marcille [04:31]

• On Tyra Banks’ legacy:

  • “I rock Hard Body with Tyra Lynn Banks.” — Eva Marcille [11:49]
  • “Did she stumble along the way? I don’t see anybody at the Olympics who didn’t stumble. To air is to be human.” — Eva Marcille [12:36]

• On mental health and criticism:

  • “Truth without compassion is cruelty.” — Charlamagne Tha God [24:07]
  • “After winning…Janice Dickinson was like, ‘Thank God, now you can finally get your nose job.’” — Eva Marcille [24:29]

• On love after divorce:

  • “He will always be my forever because we have children together…Now we can joke. We shoot pool…That is the forever.” — Eva Marcille [33:12], [35:22]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Top Model Press Fears & Branding Stigma: [03:16] – [06:26]
• Reality TV Brand Evolution & Tyra’s Influence: [06:26] – [08:24]
• Season 3 and Black Women Representation: [08:24] – [10:21]
• Missing from the Doc & Defending Tyra: [10:53] – [14:31]
• Mental Health in Reality TV: [17:51], [18:02] – [23:48]
• Self-Image & Family Foundation: [24:51] – [26:25]
• Personal Life & Relationship Update: [26:48] – [35:46]
• Lifetime Movie ‘Pushed Off a Plane and Survived’: [27:22] – [39:12]

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Tone & Language

• Eva is honest, thoughtful, humorous, and authentic, seamlessly blending vulnerability, intelligence, and wit.
• The hosts balance supportiveness with playful teasing and occasionally deep, empathetic questioning.

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Conclusion

This episode offers an insightful look into Eva Marcille’s journey post-Top Model, her views on the changing landscape of reality TV, the reality of branding and representation, and her own path towards healing and self-affirmation. Listeners gain a deeper appreciation for her resilience, nuanced perspective on legacy and growth, and learn about her new role bringing another complex Black woman to the screen.

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Transcript

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[Eva Marcille]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building.

[Eva Marcille]

Yes, we do.

[DJ Envy]

Eva Marcel, welcome back. How you feeling?

[Eva Marcille]

I am blessed and highly favored. How y' all doing today? Good to see you looking like false coops and melanin.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's good to see you, Eva, because you one of the few people that's doing press right now because everybody and their mama that was on America's Next Top Model is scared to death to do press while that documentary is out. I'm not gonna say who, but there was a person who told us.

[DJ Envy]

We said it on air, but go ahead.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, there was a person who told us that they weren't coming up here unless we put in writing that we didn't ask them about America's Next Top Model.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Eva Marcille]

Oh, really? Were they promoting other things? Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Winnie Hollow.

[Lauren Sivan]

She's the CEO Club that she's in right now.

[Eva Marcille]

Winnie's popping. And you know what? Shout out to Winnie Harlow. And I can absolutely appreciate her sentiments, and I can tell you why. One of the young ladies on the documentary, if you saw it, Dani, Drop dead Gorgeous, she was one of the winners. And she said something that I think is. Well, I know it's very true. It's something that I try not to talk about a lot because I'm very grateful for where I am. But doing Top Model definitely puts a scarlet letter on your back. I mean, to know me, y' all knew me when you did. When you were with Wendy, y' all knew me as Eva Pickford. I changed my name to Eva Marcille, which is my legal middle name. But I changed it so that when I went to audition, I walked in rooms. I wasn't prejudged. They just saw a girl named Eva. It's not that uncommon of a name. So they see Eva M. Let her read for the role, and so then I would get the role. And later, they would realize, like, oh, my God, that's that girl from that show. But I can tell you about 10,000 doors are closed, for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, it would be a good

[DJ Envy]

thing, wouldn't be a bad. And why was it a bad thing?

[Eva Marcille]

Okay, can I tell you why? Yes. It's because we live in a new day. We live in a day today where to be a reality star is to be a Kim Kardashian. To be a reality star is to amplify a brand. And so when you put someone like a just hilarious on something, you already know that you're going to get automatic clicks because we're coming to see you off the top. And so if you're selling athletic wear, we might mess around with outfit, but we're gonna watch it because of you. When I came up, there was no social media charlamagne at all. My interviews came through you, so my voice came through you. And so me being a part of a brand took away from the brand because y' all came to see me. And if you're breaking out as a designer, you're not trying to worry about the girl that's walking down the Runway. We're hangers. You're more so worried about the designer and the looks.

[Lauren Sivan]

And.

[Eva Marcille]

And so it was an odd time because a big transition happened to where reality stars became the big thing. But it didn't change when it came to Top Model because it was a TV show first for them. But for us, it was a competition, Right? It was a competition that said, if you win this show, the baddest person in modeling, the queen of modeling, Tyra Banks, has said, you are good enough. She put you through a boot camp. That said, you can do the rigors. And if you get this done, you go out into the world, you're gonna be a star. And then we went out into the world, and they were like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mr. Starr. When are you gonna twinkle?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you and Takara and like a Winnie, y' all found a way to brand yourselves. And Tyra always talked about Brandon. Like, she always used branding. Like, even before, it was a buzzword. So I feel like. Did you learn that there at American school?

[Eva Marcille]

Absolutely. See, for me, and I can only speak for myself, I come from South Central Los Angeles. I come from. You gonna hustle. That's part of who you are. And then I went to college and I went to Clark Atlanta University, home of W.E.B. du Bois. And the motto was, find a way or make one. So between coming up in the hood and knowing I had to get mine in the paint and then going to college and understanding something scholastically what that meant and putting that into to work. After doing Top Model, I was like, oh, okay, cool. So Tyra said I wasn't good enough, and I won the show. I'm popping now. I gotta do the work. And that was one thing that I was never confused about, one thing that Tyra did instill in me. And I believe the rest of the girls, how much they picked it up or not, I think that they believe that as soon as you won't, the stars would open and you'll get a billion dollars in your bank account. They were like, no, we gonna give you $100,000 sprinkled. Not quickly.

[DJ Envy]

And did they fight for that 100,000?

[Eva Marcille]

Well, see, no, I didn't. And I know I've heard other stories, and I cannot discount anyone's story, but Eva Marcille Pickford got her hundreds.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said sprinkled those over, like, 10 every two weeks.

[Eva Marcille]

Yeah. It was like, you get your initial money, and then when you came in, I had the privilege of actually signing one of the only girls to sign to CoverGirl. So after getting that initial 100,000, they're like, okay, now we want you to sell mascara now. You know what I mean? And so it went on from there, but the work never stopped. The work is 10,000 times more than anyone expected. And I think that's not what's talked about.

[Lauren Sivan]

What do you think made you and Takara's experiences with Top Models so different? Because I feel like y' all are the only two girls that talk completely positive about everything. And even when you talk about the negative, it's not. Not nothing like with the other girls.

[Eva Marcille]

No, no. I mean, the negative is. Is. Is. It's. It's life. Right? Like, that's why I say we you. I mean, you have Sharpies here, but you usually learn how to write with a pencil. That's why they have erasers. Because to air is to be human. You're not going to always get it right. And it's not just me. It's. It's Yaya DaCosta, who played Whitney Houston on Lifetime. Yaya went on to do, I mean, five seasons of Chicago Med. She did Lincoln Lawyer. My girl is popping. Yeah. And a lot of the women are a bit biased to say season three. We definitely stood out. And the black girls for sure stood out. But I think that that's what they were casting at that time. They casted an early season. Season three, they didn't really know what they were doing. It wasn't even called reality TV. Like, if you really think about it, back in 2003, there was no reality TV. You had Survivor and you had Real World, and that was it. And then you had Top Model and American Idol. I won the same year as Fantasia, so that's how long. I know. That's how long ago it is. And so to answer your question, Lauren, I think that it was just a great group of stars. They got women that were bona fide stars in their own right. I don't know if the producers knew exactly what it is they were gonna tap into and really make that star twinkle, but they taught us how to shine, and they had stars like it or not. And Takara walked in there. F, A, B, O, L, O. I mean, when I tell you that girl is fabul to this day.

[DJ Envy]

I love the fact that you spelled fabulous wrong, but I love it.

[Eva Marcille]

That's how she spelled it.

[DJ Envy]

B, O, L, O, U, S, S.

[Eva Marcille]

I mean, that's how she spelled it when she walked in. She's like, F, A, B, O. I was like, I mean, fabulous, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Your hair looks amazing.

[Eva Marcille]

Oh, my God. Oh, listen. It's a shout out to the one and only napstar Annette out of New York City. She got five shops, but Annette, she does me for my TV show, All the Queen's Men. Yeah. Yes, that's Annette. And thank you for that. Representation means a lot. That's why I'm here today to talk about my movie and. And. And Top Model and all the things that I use to represent who black women are. And I fight like crazy for my natural hair.

[DJ Envy]

Were you invited to talk on the. The documentary that they did? Were you invited because we didn't see you in the documentary?

[Eva Marcille]

No.

[DJ Envy]

No one even invited.

[Eva Marcille]

I was not invited to talk about the documentary. I was asked when I realized that the documentary was coming out and they started promoting it. I was asked by, you know, New York Times, everybody, like, you know, what do you think? What do you think? It's hard to think when you don't know what you're watching. I had no clue how they were going to skew this, what they were going to do. But I am intelligent enough to know that after 22 years of a show, there's no way you can actually do a positive documentary. Speaking about the way this woman truly changed the modeling game without talking to the people that helped do so. So I kind of knew they were going to kind of skew it in a way that Wasn't that was a bit biased. And I'm not here to say that that tire is perfect, but I will be the first person to say I rock Hard Body with Tyra Lynn Banks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't have some of the biggest

[Eva Marcille]

stars on because we most likely all have positive things to say. And so you can't skew a documentary either. They didn't call it Takara, I believe. I'm not sure if they called Yaya to do it or not, but I

[Lauren Sivan]

tried to do an interview. I mean, I reached out to your rep prior to it, and he said that you wanted to watch it. I reached out to Yaya's team and they said, no, she's not doing the Top Model conversation. Me and Takara did an interview, but one of the things that I saw, because I saw you do the interview with. Was it CBS Mornings? Yes, you were on CBS Mornings, and people were upset about feeling like you were defending some of the things that happened in the interview, even though you said you were horrified. How do you feel when you see that? Because I know you've said, tyra's done so much for me. You're not gonna get me to a point where I'm doing what we see a lot of the other girls doing.

[Eva Marcille]

It's not more so about how much she's done for me. It's about how much Tyra has done as a whole. I think that we, as onlookers with media journalists, I think it's very easy to look on the outside in and to point and call a flaw, especially years and eons later. If I was to look back at Golden Girls, the first three episodes, they had a very, very cute and flamboyant gay man who absolutely disappeared after episode four. Where is said best friend? He's nowhere. The world wasn't ready for it. We don't talk about it. We don't deal with it. Now, if we look at today's landscape about diversity and inclusion and where we should be. Look at Friends. It took, what, eight seasons for them to get a black girlfriend? And it was Aisha. I mean, we can look back at a lot of projects and think about where we were and look at where we are, what we can affect and where we can go. But I think that we don't do ourself a proper service when we look at something like Top Model, which was so historic, that was a brainchild of a very audacious young woman that decided to go out and do something great. Did she stumble along the way? I don't see anybody at the Olympics who didn't stumble. We all stumble. That. I mean, to air is to be human, But I think that it's very easy to point a finger. But it's hard and it's easy to say all of people's flaws. But what good did she do? I know what good she did. Winnie Harlow was wearing the runways out. I have multiple businesses, organization, things that I do. And despite what I've had to hurdle over, I mean, Kerry Washington had to hurdle over, and she didn't do Top Models. So I count it all, Joy. I'm not. I don't. I don't live in the woes of yesterday. We all have our trauma. The beauty of me is that I've healed from mine.

[Lauren Sivan]

Have you talked to Tyra since the doc? Cause she hasn't said anything.

[Eva Marcille]

I haven't talked to her since the documentary. I went to lunch with Mr. J just the other day and we chatted for a while. Yeah, I feel for everybody a part of the documentary because they don't know what life is like to live under scrutiny. You know, I know y' all know, but most don't know that are in the early 2000s, what it really feels like to get trolled daily.

[Lauren Sivan]

How's Mr. J holding up, too? Because now the conversation. I saw publicist. What's her name, Katron. She made a statement and said basically, like, he does this every few years to try and get his name in the media and throw things Tyra's way in a negative way.

[Eva Marcille]

Oh, really?

[Lauren Sivan]

And that's been a conversation about. Cause how their friendship ended and, like, what are his intentions or is he just telling his story?

[Eva Marcille]

Watching the documentary, I learned about the friendship. I had absolutely no idea, per my understanding. These are, you know, like, besties. Like me and my bestie, we rock hard to the core. So I had no idea about the severance. Him wanting to leave and then staying and then kind of maybe feeling like he might be blackballed. Like, that was all big news to me. I think it's sad. I'm a loyalist. I'm a Scorpio to the core. Unless you do something just absolutely egregious, we gonna rock this thing till the wheels fall off. And so to watch this all play out, he wrote a book called the Bitch to model the meltdown a while ago. It's a novel. And I mean, his experience is his experience. I. I use the word gobsmacked because I. Gobsmacked.

[Lauren Sivan]

That was the word.

[Eva Marcille]

She said she was gobsmacked. Was so mad at you for saying gobsmacked.

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm like, I ain't never heard you talk like that. It felt like you was on. Was it CBS this Morning?

[Lauren Sivan]

CBS Morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm like, why did she go on CBS this Morning and code switch a little bit?

[Eva Marcille]

No, I didn't code. I was. I was bamboozled. I was led astray. I was bamboozled. I said that first.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you said that first.

[Eva Marcille]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sorry.

[Eva Marcille]

I said all of those things.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Eva Marcille]

But you also have to realize, Charlemagne, I went to school for speech. Communication. Speech is actually what I do. Vernacular is my thing. Gotcha, girl. On the Ricky Smiley Morning show, they call me syllable Marcille. Like, I enjoy words. I enjoy syllables. Beyond monosyllabic English that we're used to, I think we as people have a way of being extremely expressive in a lot of things we do. And I think that words should be one that we exercise more oftenly. So I was. I couldn't find a word beyond a curse word. I was. Yeah, I was in awe because to find out that you were a part of a situation and had no clue, it was just. Oh, it's a bunch of. A bunch of hibble giggle. It was just. That's a bunch of hibble giggle. It was. And. And. And flabbergastry.

[Lauren Sivan]

And.

[Eva Marcille]

And I was just. Oh, hebble gibble. Yeah, yeah. I was taken aback.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, there's been a lot of conversation in recent years about reality TV and mental health. Like, when you look back, what did the show get wrong? Especially with, like, young women.

[Eva Marcille]

Oh, so many. How long do we have? I think what. What we forget is that a. We were all young. We were very, very young and we were very impressionable. And though even Ken, usually on this

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Okay, I don't think that's true.

[Host of Secret World of Roald Dahl]

I'm telling you, the guy was a spy. Did you know Dahl got cozy with the Roosevelts, played poker with Harry Truman, and had a long affair with a congresswoman? And then he took his talents to Hollywood, where he worked alongside Walt Disney and Alfred Hitchcock before writing a hit James Bond film. How did this secret agent wind up as the most successful children's author ever? And what darkness from his covert past seeped into the stories we read as kids? The true story is stranger than anything he ever wrote. Listen to the Secret World of Roald Dahl on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Heather Dubrow]

Almost 30 years together, four kids, and some of reality TV's most unforgettable moments. We know a thing or two about living life out loud. We're taking you behind the scenes in our new podcast, Between Us with me,

[Terry Dubrow]

Heather Dubrow, and me, Terry debrow. Between Us isn't about perfect lighting or curated Instagram grids.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's the unfiltered behind closed doors conversations you wish you could eavesdrop on. Equal parts smart, funny, and a little bit scandalous.

[Terry Dubrow]

Every week, Heather will bring you an unapologetic take on the headlines, the trends, and the cultural moments everyone's texting about.

[Heather Dubrow]

And Terry will deliver insider beauty, health and wellness insights you won't find on TikTok.

[Terry Dubrow]

Together, we'll tell the stories, spill the secrets, and share the hacks that keep life, marriage, and everything in between feeling fresh and fun.

[Heather Dubrow]

We may live in a gated community, but there's zero gatekeeping here and plenty

[Terry Dubrow]

of did they just say that?

[Host of Secret World of Roald Dahl]

Moments.

[Heather Dubrow]

Listen to between us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Eva Marcille]

Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life, the good, the bad, and

[Lauren Sivan]

the sisterhood, with your hosts, me, Gia

[Eva Marcille]

Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Rush, the recruitment, the ritual, the reality of Greek life has been a mystery for those outside the sorority circles until now. Is it really a supportive sisterhood that's simply misunderstood? Or is there something more scandalous happening on campuses across the country? In this podcast, we pledge to peel back the layers and spell the truth one Greek letter at a time. Pledges and actives, Rush chairs and ritual keepers. Some call it the best time of their life, while others say it's a nightmare. From a perfect rush to recruitment scandals, what is really going on behind the doors of those sorority houses? From Alpha to Omega, we're taking you inside sorority row, including the chapter room, as we explore the fellowship and the frenemies. Let's get dirty. Listen to Dirty rush on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren Sivan]

Hi, I'm Liza Traeger.

[Eva Marcille]

And I'm Kara Klank. We're comedians and your favorite overly invested SVU watchers. On that's Messed up, an SVU podcast, we recap iconic episodes, then talk to the stars who lived them, like the legendary Matthew Lillard, who will never forget his time on svu. I do remember the mustache. I will get a pee. I will get him a meme of that mustache. Like, every, like, six days, somebody would be like, what was this? Each week, we cover the crimes, analyze the plot holes, and insult the outfits. Benson goes to talk to Kelly to, like, tell her the news, but is wearing a beret not the time for a silly hat? Benson, what are you doing? New episodes drop every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to that's messed up on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dun, dun Dun says, this show gave us a promise of a dream and of a career. I think there's somewhere inside of ourselves that we knew that that wasn't really true. And not saying that the business wasn't something that we could do, but there's just no way that all of us were gonna end up being these huge, big stars. And so I think that I prepared myself mentally early on, like, if this doesn't work out, what do I do? I wouldn't be gobsmacked. I was going back to college.

[DJ Envy]

Was being brutally honest that bad? You know, because sometimes people need to hear honesty in a place where people

[Eva Marcille]

are being truthful to Truthful and honesty and hurt are two are all different things. And you always have that girlfriend that's like, oh, girl. I was just keeping it real. No, you were being very mean.

[DJ Envy]

Sometimes people need to hear that, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, truth without compassion is cruelty.

[Eva Marcille]

It is true. And I think that we make a great excuse to be honest while being extremely mean and extremely hurtful. And so Janice Dickinson, for an example. I won the show. And I remember after winning, she was like, thank God, now you can finally get your nose job.

[DJ Envy]

Jesus.

[Eva Marcille]

And I quickly went to a mirror. Didn't realize I had a nose issue at all. I knew that I was too short. I knew I was androgynous, so they called me a man, woman, all these things, but now I wasn't androgynous. Oh, yeah, that's crazy. That's why I was so scared to cut my hair shorter and go blonde. Because they.

[Lauren Sivan]

When you came on the show, it was like your vibe was very, like, la cool, like tomboyish.

[Eva Marcille]

I mean, I'm still here in a suit and like, that's just. I have three brothers. That's how I get down.

[Lauren Sivan]

So you felt away because that was your storyline on the show, and they leaned into it and you were so confident on the show. I didn't know you felt away about them calling you those things.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dudes always thought you was fine, though.

[Eva Marcille]

I didn't know I was mildly attracted until I went to college. I was walking down the quad, someone said, God damn, Chard. And I remember saying, is that a good thing or a bad thing? And he also said, if I ate a little bit more, I'd be fine.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you was in the zombies.

[Eva Marcille]

Yeah, yeah. But I didn't really have an idea of, like, what aesthetics were and what men were into and all that stuff until school. I. My confidence lied in the fact that I knew who I was. My parents were very militant. The computer room was exactly that because we read Encyclopedia Britannicas every single day. Book report every single day. To be to. I had to study to show myself. Approved, like, all. All the time. Straight A's, Dean's list, scholarships. That was. That was me.

[Lauren Sivan]

So the nose job, then, like, that conversation. So you took. You looked in the mirror and then what happens?

[Eva Marcille]

Following all the stuff, like, I definitely had a mild complex about my nose. Couldn't figure out. I didn't see what was wrong, so I didn't know what to make right. Which was the hardest part. Like, you know, like, say if, like, your hair is cut, but you got a little piece Right here. Like, you know, you need to cut that piece. Yeah, I didn't know what to do. Your hair is bomb. Don't listen to him.

[Lauren Sivan]

He's a hater.

[Eva Marcille]

You can grow hair, so there's that. Okay. It's like being single. It's by choice, not by force.

[Lauren Sivan]

I'm not single anymore.

[Eva Marcille]

Oh, I know.

[Lauren Sivan]

That's right. Last time you were here. Are we gonna get into all that? Cause you got some updates, too.

[Eva Marcille]

We do have some updates, but we wanna talk about getting pushed off this plane, because this is if.

[Lauren Sivan]

No, I really wanted to hear how

[DJ Envy]

you notice you gotta go at a

[Lauren Sivan]

certain time, too, so.

[Eva Marcille]

Well, because they lean into each other. You know, last time I was here, I was kind of giving you an update on love and where I was at. I was not in the most positive place, which is. This is one of the few stops I made because I knew that I would reach all my people and that you guys would handle me with a nice glove.

[DJ Envy]

Kid gloves. She didn't say kid gloves. She just said, nice gloves, a nice glove.

[Eva Marcille]

Nah, it wasn't kid gloves. Y' all had a couple little one, too. But, you know, I had Lauren over here, so I knew I was straight. But this movie, it reminds me of a lot of spaces that a lot of us black women are in. Women.

[DJ Envy]

The name of the movie is Pushed Off a Plane and Survive.

[Eva Marcille]

So Pushed Off a Plane and Survive is about a woman named Janae who is in her late 30s, early 40s, serial entrepreneur, all about her business, all about her money. She owns three different hair salons, does extremely well for itself. The one thing she has never focused on is love.

[Terry Dubrow]

Love.

[Eva Marcille]

So finally you get to that age and you're like, late 30s, early 40s. You're like, maybe I want a man. Maybe I want kids. Maybe I want all these things. And so she goes on the dating apps and all this stuff, and she's trying to find love, and she meets a guy, Tyler Lepley.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cole.

[Eva Marcille]

Yes, Cole for this movie. And this is not Cole and I's first rendezvous. We did a film before called Buried Alive and survived. So for whatever, I love being tortured by him.

[Host of Secret World of Roald Dahl]

You haven't.

[Lauren Sivan]

You.

[Eva Marcille]

I do love. But, see, you know, that's the black woman in me. We gonna survive. You gonna knock us down, but we gonna get up and so get pushed off a plane. His weird hobby is that he likes skydiving. And instead of being a prude, I like pickleball. So instead of playing pickleball, I decided to skydive, which Was the best and worst decision of my life. You have to tune into it on Saturday, February 28th on Lifetime, 8pm 7 Central. It's going down. Tyler Lepley and I back in love again.

[DJ Envy]

Have you lost the same question?

[Eva Marcille]

Damn. God damn.

[DJ Envy]

Don't all that.

[Lauren Sivan]

I want to get out of place so bad.

[Eva Marcille]

Okay, so I've done the simulated one. Like the. Like the one. Ooh.

[DJ Envy]

I sky.

[Eva Marcille]

No. So the way my body is set up is I believe in God and the afterlife, but in this life, the three children I have here, right. I would like to be there with all my phalanges and limbs working.

[DJ Envy]

I did it once.

[Eva Marcille]

How'd it go? He never did it again.

[DJ Envy]

No, I never did it again. So I did it. It was a birthday gift. Surprise birthday gift from my wife to me. So we drove out there the whole time. I made every excuse why we shouldn't be going.

[Eva Marcille]

She love you, but she do not like you. That's crazy. That was a surprise.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We didn't make her orgasm for 10 years, so he had to accept something.

[DJ Envy]

Don't listen to him.

[Eva Marcille]

She needs an O shot.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, she's fine now. She's fine now. That's different. But anyway, we went out there, we jumped out the plane, and then I started looking at all the plane accidents that happened and all the skydiving accidents and was like, why the hell would I do that? Never did it again. But the adrenaline and what it was was amazing.

[Eva Marcille]

It brought your libido back.

[DJ Envy]

No, that has something different. Me and my wife met. She was 15. I was 16.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, God.

[DJ Envy]

Cause you started this, and I gotta.

[Eva Marcille]

She gotta go at 11.

[Lauren Sivan]

So you gonna go through that again.

[Eva Marcille]

You do gotta go at 11.

[DJ Envy]

So I learned sex. Guys don't talk about how to have sex. I learned from watching porn. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. That did not work. My mouth game was good, but the penetration game wasn't. So she. During an argument, she told me, you're

[Eva Marcille]

my age, though, so it wasn't real porn. It was like Skinamax crazy.

[DJ Envy]

No, it was porn. Like, porn used to get to VHS and watch the porn, and that's what it was. And she didn't orgasm in a while. She told me in an argument. We wrote a book about it to

[Eva Marcille]

explain in a while. But you met her at 16. So she had somebody before you?

[DJ Envy]

No, that was her first.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was a decade.

[DJ Envy]

She ain't even know where she was. We met each other first, and he

[Eva Marcille]

didn't show her until 10 years later.

[DJ Envy]

I was able to do it with my mouth, not through penetration. Come on. This is her interview, not mine.

[Eva Marcille]

No, but I love so much right now. Well, the reason why I jumped off the plane, because we did not have any of those problems. He pushed me off the plane willingly. I was strapped onto him all things ago. But I feel like the movie is a lesson about trusting someone too soon as a accomplished woman. Right. But see, the question truly is just when is too soon? Because there is. One of my favorite scenes in the movie is he asks me to stand on this. This. This ledge and fall backward. And you ever seen that? Like, that trust fall? He like, child, ain't no way I'm falling backward. And we didn't have stunts. We didn't have a pat down. And I've worked with Tyler before. I'm a little denser than I look, so I think I'm a little heavier. And he caught me. And it's that feeling of trust, that letting go and knowing that someone has you. And not because you can feel it, but because you don't fall. And I think that is what she's searching for, that high of jumping and not actually hitting the ground.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can another person give you that?

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna say that. Yeah. Do you have that with somebody?

[Eva Marcille]

They can. You know, my wedding song was that Lela James has a song, catch me, I'm falling for you. And it speaks about, I'm ready, I'm about to jump. Now I need you down there, because I do not wanna fall, but I do wanna take this jump. And so I think this is what this movie is about. And honestly, sometimes you get it wrong, and sometimes you get it right. But the biggest part that I took away from it is that most of the time, you're gonna get it wrong. 99% of the people you date, you will not be with forever. So get back on that horse. Try it again. But what about the reverse psychology and all the tactics, the manipulation and all? How do you. That's not your guy. If any of that stuff exists, that's not your Cole. I ain't trying to get a movie away, but I'm saying that. No, but see, Cole, he. He. The flags were there, right? A lot of times the flags are there. You have the. You have sage counsel. Your homegirl is like, friend, I am not feeling this. You know, this is crazy. My sister in this movie, she knew it.

[Ana Navarro]

Yeah.

[Eva Marcille]

But she also was so close to me. None of my relationships worked out. She used to bet on my dates, like, this ain't gonna work. Got $20. He's, you know, he's a dud, so there's that, too. You just have to believe in yourself, trust your instincts, and keep your friends close. Because when he doesn't work out, she will still be there.

[Lauren Sivan]

So you're where you are right now in life. In real life, it does parallel. Cause I know you and Mike got back together and y' all are together, and that is your forever. We saw the, like, you know, well,

[Eva Marcille]

he will always be my forever because we have children together, we have three amazing kids, and there is no life without him since we've had them. So we're always forever. I think that since the divorce and because I'm not very public and not a thirst trap kind of girl and, you know, don't throw a lot of pictures up there, the world's wondering, like, what's going on. And we are at a beautiful place. I think the first time the world saw us together again was, in essence, I was down there hosting the main stage, and he was free and everybody

[Lauren Sivan]

was excited for you also, because we love black love.

[Eva Marcille]

We love love, especially family unity. You know, Mike was adopted, and so when it comes to what family looks like and what DNA looks like and titles, we don't find ourselves too caught up on that. I think that that's what kind of hurt to begin with. Anybody that's dated for a long time, then got married, you realize things change, but nothing really changed but the title. But now you feel the pressure to change things. All that stuff is gone. All that's gone. And I am the beautiful mother of his amazing children. He is amazing father to our children, and we have a great relationship.

[Lauren Sivan]

I have a question for, I guess you, but everybody in the room then. So y' all are married. The pressure comes.

[Eva Marcille]

No, we're not married. We're divorced.

[Lauren Sivan]

So you guys are still divorced?

[Eva Marcille]

Yes, we got divorced.

[Lauren Sivan]

I know.

[Ana Navarro]

And then.

[Lauren Sivan]

But I thought. I don't know what I thought you guys did.

[Eva Marcille]

She was hoping for another marriage on the other side. I mean, just.

[Lauren Sivan]

I didn't know what.

[Eva Marcille]

We don't know.

[Lauren Sivan]

She don't talk about it.

[Eva Marcille]

What happened?

[Lauren Sivan]

So then are you. So y' all are back. Y' all are back together? Well, that wasn't even honestly my question, but we here now. So y' all are back together. So is there going to be another proposal with marriage?

[Eva Marcille]

We are still figuring things out, but we are definitely not where we were last time. I was here last time. I was talking about. And after I was depressed, emaciated, phone conversations Were very minimal. And now we can joke. We shoot pool. Like it's. You wanna come over and have some whiskey? That's important. We are at such a different space and I think that that is more important than the labels. When you think about my daughter who just turned 12, we have a 12 year old little girl, we have a 7 year old son and a 6 year old son. So what world do we wanna give them? The world of labels and ideas of what? Everything we. Everything the world thinks we should be or the truth mom is there for every holiday. I just took them to RAW yesterday and flew here today just to take them courtside to see raw. Like it's just, it's family and that'll never change and that is the forever.

[Lauren Sivan]

But what were the pressures then? Because it seems like you guys have always been aligned like that and that's why everybody was so happy when you guys got together. Even on like when you were housewives. Like it was good to see you in that space. So what was that pressure?

[Eva Marcille]

Oh my goodness. I mean try having two children and being married and being in the limelight, Laura. It is not the easiest thing. And I come from a very, very black family. That is what happens at home, stays at home. And so we are a united front wherever we go. But I was not fit. I didn't fail to be most likely a full on nuisance and irritant to him. And we definitely had our problems like as every married couple. I mean a decade in, three kids later press you're gonna have your problems.

[Lauren Sivan]

Yeah.

[Eva Marcille]

So we definitely had our problems. And I thought I'm not one of those that feel like I want to do this in the public and I'm not one to like string along. Yeah. I feel like separations can get very messy. And so when you find yourself in that space, it's that limbo space that's like you can kind of do what you can't kind of do. But I can kind of clock you, but I can't. Yeah. I am way more madam than you think. That is not safe for anybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Way more madam?

[Eva Marcille]

Yes.

[Lauren Sivan]

In control.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like you got. You don't mind.

[Eva Marcille]

You bad. Well, yeah. We live in a right to carry state in Georgia.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm confused.

[Eva Marcille]

I'm just saying I, I just. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was talking about the madam that be having the holes and then she

[Lauren Sivan]

went to the gun because she's in control. She buys her gun,

[Eva Marcille]

she's always holding.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got you, got you.

[Eva Marcille]

And. And quick to follow so that pat

[DJ Envy]

her down before she came in. Making sure.

[Eva Marcille]

Real quick, real quick about the movie. I know you gotta go because I gotta go too. So I'm gonna leave out with you. But come on, J. So what was the hardest thing about filming the movie? Because you had stunts and you had, you know. Okay, so the hardest thing about filming this film? And shout out to Lifetime, because Lifetime is not gonna give you a little stage and make it pretty. They want to get as gritty as possible. So two scenes. One, my drowning scene. Because you can't fake drown. Yeah. So you have to really drown. So the drowning scene was absolutely insane. And then being pushed off of the plane and the falling and the debris and being under. Oh, my goodness. Especially green screening. No, it was real deal.

[DJ Envy]

No, no, no. He mean the. The preview that they sent us. The green screen is still in it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's one split second with a green screen still in the.

[Eva Marcille]

Oh, it won't be on Friday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't worry.

[Eva Marcille]

On February 28th. On Saturday, making sure they can't get you. What happened? Charlamagne, the goddess. You happen to have the luxury of getting the screener prior to screen. So there are certain vfx and if you could appreciate the writer strike that we just had, there's a lot of AI and VFX that go into production now. So you got to see some of the first cut. And the world will see the final cut on February 28th on this good Saturday. Get your popcorn, get your girls, grab your friends, whatever your drink or non drink of choice is. Get ready.

[Lauren Sivan]

That's why Eva ain't worried about doing press right now, because she gonna get through them and get to what she needs.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, definitely.

[DJ Envy]

Check it out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was a star pushed off a place that said earlier, like when the producers of American Next Top Bottle knew what they were doing. And that's why I said you can't stop a star from being a star, regardless of what the platform is that, you know, causes them to be.

[Eva Marcille]

Well, take one to no one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, thank you, man.

[Eva Marcille]

Pimping. I see you out here. I appreciate you. Congratulations.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you very much.

[Lauren Sivan]

You saw the 200 million, yo.

[DJ Envy]

Shut up.

[Holly Frey]

Period.

[DJ Envy]

Jesus Christ.

[Eva Marcille]

I love a brown girl. Grinding. Exactly. Don't do that. And don't be quiet just because he

[Lauren Sivan]

told you no, because I got what I need to get out. And he mad now, so it's fine.

[Eva Marcille]

And I'm. Let me see my face on me too.

[Lauren Sivan]

It looked just like his happy face. He's just angry.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jesus Christ.

[DJ Envy]

Eva.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Marcel.

[DJ Envy]

Ladies and gentlemen, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Eva Marcille]

Love you more

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club Finish or y' all done?

[Erin McCarthy]

The human body is a beautiful machine and keeping it running means understanding how it actually works.

[Holly Frey]

Which is why this podcast will kill you is doing a multi part series on sleep. What it's for, why our bodies don't follow neat rules, and why modern life is not helping.

[Erin McCarthy]

When you consider what we know about sleep in humans, there's one rule that comes out we are predictably unpredictable sleepers.

[Holly Frey]

We'll continue exploring how the body works with a multi part series on digestive function.

[Erin McCarthy]

So listen to our newest series which runs January 20 through February 17 with

[Holly Frey]

new episodes every Tuesday from the Exactly Right Network. Listen to this podcast will kill you on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren Sivan]

When segregation was a law, one mysterious black club owner Charlie Fitzgerald had his own rules.

[Eva Marcille]

Segregation in the day, integration at night. It was like stepping in another world.

[Lauren Sivan]

Was he a businessman? A criminal?

[Eva Marcille]

A hero?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[Lauren Sivan]

Charlie's Place from Atlas Obscura and visit Myrtle Beach. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Eva Marcille]

The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be. So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear? I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to. I would just want you to listen to me more often and evaluate situations with me and lead me towards success. Listening is a form of love. Find resources to help you support your kids and their emotional well being. At sounded out together.org that's sounded out together.org brought to you by the ad

[Ana Navarro]

council and pivotal I'm Anna Navarro and on my new podcast Bleep with Ana Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now we are all cursing and asking what the bleep is going on. Every week I'm breaking down the biggest issues happening in our communities and around the world. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018.

[Eva Marcille]

The Justice Department through we counted four presidential administrations failed these victims.

[Ana Navarro]

Listen to BLEEP with Ana Navarro on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Heather Dubrow]

Almost 30 years together, four kids and some of reality TV's most unforgettable moments. We're taking you behind the scenes in our podcast between us with me, Heather

[Terry Dubrow]

Dubrow, and me, Terry debrow.

[Heather Dubrow]

The unfiltered behind closed doors conversations you

[Eva Marcille]

wish you could eavesdrop on and plenty

[Terry Dubrow]

of did they just say that? Moments. But, I mean, what's the latest rumor? I'm gay, right? First of all, if I were gay, I would be gay.

[Heather Dubrow]

Open your free iHeartRadio app, search between us and listen.

[Lauren Sivan]

Now, this is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.