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Honey German
On Thanksgiving Day 1999, five year old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?
Charlamagne Tha God
Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with.
Honey German
Him or stay with his relatives in Miami.
Charlamagne Tha God
Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.
Honey German
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Kate Max
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Honey German
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Just Hilarious
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Charlamagne Tha God
The Breakfast Club.
DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne Tha God. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Ladies and gentlemen, Ferg.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hey, what's poppin? What's poppin, y'all?
Just Hilarious
What's up, my brother?
Charlamagne Tha God
How y'all feeling?
Just Hilarious
So no more asap, Ferg?
Charlamagne Tha God
It's still ASAP is on my chest. ASAP is forever. I'm always striving and prospering, but Ferg is like, you know, Diddy changed his name. It's a funny name. It's a funny title to bring up. Diddy, right? Yeah, it's like. But, you know, it happened. Yeah, Diddy changed his name a few times, and it represented different eras of his career, and that's where I'm at with it.
Just Hilarious
Is this your baby oil era?
Charlamagne Tha God
Why you gotta go listen? Why there with it? Listen, Diddy is my family, and I love his family. I don't know all of what's going on with this case and everything like that, and it's a bunch of hearsay, really. Is like a thousand bottles of baby oil what that has to do anything with him being a bad man. So, yeah, he just a rich man with a bunch of baby oil.
Just Hilarious
Just a rich man.
DJ Envy
So you did say this is a new, I guess, a new energy in your life right now to take the ASAP off. So what is the difference? Is it asap? Was it cruel? Was it more individual? Is it?
Charlamagne Tha God
Well, I feel like ASAP puts me in group think. You know what I'm saying? You think about the era, the. Which is a golden era, you know what I'm saying? Like, we changed the game, and it's just, like, for me to change the game a whole nother way and in an individual way now. Like, I was known for being Ferg my whole life. Like, I met Rocky as Ferg. I met Yams as Ferg. And then, like, when we came together as a group effort, we all changed our name to ASAP Ferg. Like how Bone Thugs got, you know, lazy bone, crazy bone, Flesh and bone. We just basically took our last names and put them last and put ASAP as our first. So it's just a new era.
Just Hilarious
I know earlier this year with people from the ASAP Mob saying that you were no longer a part of asap.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, Ills Ill said that and he took that, that quote back. Like we talked about it and hashed it and. And all of that stuff. But yeah, Ailes and Bari, they said that. But my whole thing is like, you know, when you doing great, that's what it comes with, you know, people, you feel some type of way. And I didn't do anything to anybody. So.
Ferg
Yeah.
Just Hilarious
Is the Mob still close as they used to be?
Charlamagne Tha God
Close as they used to be. I would say that me and Rocky, we talk every now and then and I always check on his well being, but we so busy just doing our own thing. He got two kids and he's making music and got his career. This is exactly going the way we wanted it to go. Like, you know, I got my land over here, you got your island over here. We big pillars. And then when we come together, it's just like, it just gets crazy. So as far as, like, as close as we used to be. No. Cause we used to basically live with each other because we used to be on tour together. But as far as love, like, I love my brother to death. Like, I would. I always want to see my brother do great and I love what he's doing. And yeah, all my brothers, you know, even Ills and Bari, like, with the whole thing, it just. I always say that people handle fame differently. Like Yams. He handled it the way he handled it, and it cost him his life. And it's a lot of access and, you know, it makes people act different. We don't know. Like, I don't. I know these people and these guys from a point like, when I met them, they was already like teenagers or like young adults. I don't know what happened to them in their life before that. So what shapes and molds these people when they younger years or as young men? I don't know what it was like in their household or whatever. So when we get the fame and the fortune and all of that, everybody's gonna react.
Ferg
Yeah. Where you been at, though? You've been a little quiet. Your Last project was 24.
Charlamagne Tha God
I've been cooking.
Ferg
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Cooking? Yeah. Like, you know, we in a game where it's like everything is so quick. So quick. I never believed in, like, rushing my process for money. Like, I feel like I've done that. I've like, hustled. I feel like after I dropped Trapload on my album, like, the time and effort it took me to create that album, which it took my whole life to create that album. Because up until that point, I was just living it and I created an album. So I had mad life to talk about on that one album. After that, it's just like chasing a hit. So now you listening to the label, yo, put out this, put out that, because, yo, this works for radio. Boom. And then it's like, I mean, I got mad hit records. Not saying that that's enough, but for me it wasn't enough. Like, I wanted to like, really figure out what I wanted to say. Cause you know when you realize you got a voice, you can really make a lot of movement and you want to, you know, as a. As a 36 year old man, you want to create purpose and have purpose driven moves. So that's what I wanted to figure out. Like, all right, you know, I did that. That shit was fun. But where am I going now? Like, how am I gonna lead the people? Or what am I saying to the kids? So that's what I had to figure out. Like, I wanted to grow as a person so the music could evolve. Yeah.
DJ Envy
The name of the album is Daryl.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
DJ Envy
Now why Daryl? Because it seems like it's almost like you're going back to the origin of yourself.
Charlamagne Tha God
I feel like I was running. I was running from myself for a long time. My father was such a great man. Like, I'm not sure if you heard of Street Legend. Yeah. You know, Deferg. Defurg family. Like, there's a whole family of us. T. Ferg, they know him. That's my uncle that's always with me. Deferg. My dad. You got Kim Ferg, Mama Ferg. Kim Ferg used to dance with Teddy Riley. And, you know, she used to be with this crew called the Gucci Girls, where Dapper Dan did like all of their outfits and stuff. So I come from a whole lineage of Fergs. And then now it's just going back to the basics and going back to my roots. Because I feel like I never gave the world that. I only gave y'all mobbing. I never gave y'all the individual.
Just Hilarious
You know, on Alive, you said, let me go to therapy and I'll be right back. So have you really been going to therapy?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I went to therapy for three years. Like after the. It's a song I got called Pool, where I talk about my hiatus. And I went to therapy after. No, during the Madman tour. That's like Plane Jane is going crazy. I'm doing 150 people meet and greet. I'm changing my outfits twice a show I'm, like, just really trying to, like, I'm trying to take it there. And I'm taking it there. Like, at that time, I'm the face of Tiffany's. First black person and artist, rapper to be the face of Tiffany's. Also, I had a Hennessy Dill, Adida deal, Revlon deal. Like, it's going crazy. And I think that, like, with all of these things that I was doing, it really just bodied me. Cause it, like, it bodied me in a good way, though. It broke me into a new me because I was like, damn, what am I actually trying to reach? And then when I would, like, look at artists that, like, just keep trying to go, go, go, go, go, go, go. And I'm like, what are they trying to reach? Because, like, oh, what are they trying to escape? Oh, trying to escape. And then I had to ask myself that question, like, what am I trying to reach? Like, when is it enough? And also, I want to experience peace. Like, I don't want to have to keep being addicted to working. You know what I'm saying? So. And I didn't know if I was addicted to working, but I just. I was in. You know, when you coming out the hood, and I'm pretty sure you guys came from, you know, a place where, like, you had to kind of fight to get out of there. And then it has to become a time where it's like, you realize you're not in that fight anymore. And that's what happened. I realized that I'm not, like, in Harlem no more, like, fighting to get out of this place. So I had to, like, change my perspective. I had to get around other people that had things to realize, like, all right, I'm not the only one going through this.
Just Hilarious
You know, it's interesting. The reason I asked you that is because, you know, a lot of times when you first start going to therapy, it's not about what you're learning about yourself. It's what you're unlearning. And in a lot of ways, that really does impact your creativity. Cause you, like, well, who the hell am I? I'm trying to figure. You gotta try to figure yourself out all over again. Was that one of the reasons for the hiatus with the music, too?
Charlamagne Tha God
I think it's just growing. I think it's growing. We call it a hiatus, but it's like, that was normal back in the time with, like, Biggie and Tupac, Biggie had, like, four years, like, he dropped, ready to die, and then he came with life after death. And that's all we got from him after that. Like, Lauryn Hill dropped one album and then dropped like a joint with the Fugees. These is real writers. Kendrick took five years off to like, you know, write his album. So when you putting purpose into music, it is not just about making the world go like this. Like, I could do that all day, but like, all right, how ma make the world go like this to the bpm? But also when a motherfucker come off the high or the liquor and they driving back home and they sobered up, how can you make it hit they soul?
Just Hilarious
That's right.
Charlamagne Tha God
Still. So that's me. I've always been a person that wanted to put the medicine in the music. Cause I do believe that music is a spiritual thing. Like, you know, music. We used to sing songs to like, you know, in slavery, we used to sing song to like, tell you how to get out of there. Like, yo, you gotta go to the river and then you gotta get on the boat and then. Cause master not picking up on the slang and the swag and all of that. So, you know, that is. That's what I do as an artist. I figure out how to communicate to my culture what we doing next.
DJ Envy
Now, you were very vulnerable on this album.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
DJ Envy
Knowing you for a long time, you've been pretty quiet. Like, you know, you don't really put your business out there. So how were you able to be so vulnerable and how difficult was it for you?
Charlamagne Tha God
I thought it was like, cool to be vulnerable. I thought it was cool to be vulnerable.
Just Hilarious
Talk to the slaves.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm talking to the ancestors right now. The ancestors came through. Nah, I thought it was cool to be vulnerable because we're in a town where being vulnerable, if you can be vulnerable is cool. Because the kids, they put everything out there. And at first I thought that was kind of like crazy. But then when I like, really got hip to like, what's happening, it's a shift in culture where it's like, it's a lot of information being put out to us. We got Hulu, we got Netflix, we got YouTube, we got all of these outlets. And you have to stand out some type of way. We in a time where it's like we're battling for attention span. So it's like the realest, like real TV changed that, you know, real tv. And then you had love and hip hop and now you have straight up Instagram stories and reels and like that. So. And your music, you have to be honest because it's like, if I'm if you're not saying some honest shit, I'm just gonna look at this dude's story and, like, he's not even rapping. But this is more interesting.
Ferg
Did you. Were you at all worried about how vulnerable you were gonna be? Because you opened up about some pretty tragic things like that happened to you as a kid.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. So, I mean, it took me eight years to write Poole. Like, it was three songs that I had wrote to get to that point. So I wrote a song called We Don't Judge and Chance the rappers on there. I'ma still put that out with Stacy Barth. And then I wrote another song called Innocent Child, which was, like, three different stories about three different. I mean, yeah, three different stories about three different people. The last story was mine's. And then I was just trying to refine, like. And then I linked up with my boy Kirby, who he designed. He's the designer and owner of Pierre Moss. I just love his storytelling through his clothes and how he speaks to the world. He kind of grabs the bull by the horns. And we got in the studio, and he was just like, yo, bro, you itching towards it and you're scratching the surface. And this song, Innocent Child, when you need to, like, really just dive in and just go crazy.
Just Hilarious
That's why you called it pool.
Charlamagne Tha God
I called it pool because of. So I got dressed. I got. Basically, I went to. I don't wanna tell us the whole thing.
Just Hilarious
You heard it in the song?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, but, yeah, I want y'all to go to listen to it because that's where you'll get, like, the really finite detail of the song. But basically, it was an incident that happened in a pool when I was a young kid and everybody's around and everything like that. And, you know, for me, it was, like, weird. And then I was like. And it was, like, one second, but I'm like, why? And it just made me ask why? And I wanted to basically create a piece of art that my kid could find or, like, kids could find and listen to it. And I'm still jiggy. I'm still this person or whatever. And let them know that, like, the things that happen to you really happen for you, but the things that happen to you can. It doesn't make. It doesn't define you.
DJ Envy
It doesn't define you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, exactly. So I was like. And then also I was thinking, like, all these rappers and people just to be like, yo, we on demon time. We on demon time. I'm like, when has that ever been cool to be on demon time?
Just Hilarious
That's real.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, that's, like, not cool. Like, to be on demon time. Like, we on demon time.
Ferg
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
People don't even know where that energy comes from. Like, you just took him by. Yo, we on demon time. Yo, this is just. Is what it is. And I understand. Cause, like, I got homies that's in it. Like, so sometimes you forced to be in it, but if you're not forced to be in it, then it's like, why you want to be on demon time? Like, we should be, like, wanting to help each other. So, yeah, that was just what I was creating that song for. And, you know, a lot of people say we on demon time, and they don't talk about the demons. Like, let's open this up.
Ferg
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, let's. Let's. Let's dissect what the demons is. Like, let's sit at a table. That's what hip hop is. Hip hop is religion. Hip hop is our spirituality. Like, hip hop is this. Like, if. When this Microsoft, when the. When the cameras is off and, you know, we going. We giving each other files and shit like that, we're going to talk about this conversation. Like, that's some real shit. Like, but why we can't talk about the real shit on camera and have these discussions? Hip hop is the thing that unites religions and kids. You know, there's Muslims and Jewish people that's warring with each other. I went to Jerusalem, had a show. I seen all of them turning up together. I got back home, like, they let me have it on. Like, this is how I knew it was a problem. Cause I'm not knowing. Like, I'm making music, but, like, I'm not knowing that I did something, like, powerful. But, like, when I get back home, I check on my dm. They like, yo, how you gonna perform for the Muslims? How you gonna perform for the Jews? Da da da, da da. And I'm like, yo, the kids don't wanna fight. The kids wanna, like, unite. The kids wanna see the light.
Just Hilarious
The kids are caught up in something bigger than them. Something that's been going on longer than them.
Charlamagne Tha God
Exactly. But, like, who's really having that conversation? Like, why are we not having that conversation? Like, I don't know.
Just Hilarious
Was it difficult to pin. To write the words for pool? Is that why it took eight years? Because just being. Just publicly addressing, you know, what happened to you? You know, it's hard to address molestation period. But also, if it's molestation from the same sex, was it just.
Charlamagne Tha God
First of all, I just had To. I was looking at the. The news that y'all put out the other day, and I had to, like, research molestation. And, like, molestation sounds so crazy to me. Like, it's like, oh. Like, you know, it could vary, like, what molestation is regardless of what it is. It can. Like, how old were you? I was nine years old.
Just Hilarious
How old was the person?
Charlamagne Tha God
The person was way older than me.
Just Hilarious
I used to think this. I got molested by.
Charlamagne Tha God
I read your book when I was 8.
Just Hilarious
I used to look at it the same way. Like, oh, that's not.
DJ Envy
Cause you think of the worst when you think of molested. Like, you think of the worst, but it's still.
Charlamagne Tha God
But it's still molested. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you got different levels. Like, you know, I was touched. Like, I. To be clear, like, you know, it doesn't make it no different because, you know, everything affects. I was, like, groped, basically, and it. I just found it weird because it's another dude. Like, absolutely. Like, what?
Ferg
The older dude.
DJ Envy
Were you scared?
Charlamagne Tha God
That was mad weird. Like, you. Yeah.
DJ Envy
Were you scared to tell your family because your family comes from the street. I know. You said you told your cousin. Were you scared? Cause you knew that if your family found out.
Charlamagne Tha God
I told my cousin because he was my age, and I didn't want to. I didn't want to feel weird. Like, I'm holding this thing to myself. So I had to tell somebody. And then years later, I told my mom after seeing the Precious movie, and then people was, like, standing up. We went to. I don't know, we seen, like, a. We went to, like, a premiere of the Precious movie, and people was, like, standing up and telling their stories after the thing. And then I told her, like, on the train, and she was just like, what? For real? When? I'm sorry. Like, she just felt like a bad mom. But, like, you know, we in the hood, we going to the pool, we going to the park. You just never know. Like, weirdos could just creep up in the mix, and you can't hold your kid by you 24 7. Like, so that's a. And then the hood. I mean, and not just in the hood. Everywhere. I feel like this shit is going on and people just not gonna talk about it. And I'm like, yo, what am I talking about? Like, I didn't make that happen to me. Like, that shit ain't mine to, like, be trying to hold inside, Like.
Just Hilarious
And it's powerful that you sharing it.
DJ Envy
Absolutely.
Charlamagne Tha God
A lot of brothers.
Just Hilarious
I think the only other person I even heard talk about that in rap. Was Common. No, Common. And Denzel Curry over there.
Charlamagne Tha God
People say that Kendrick says something about it, but I think that was about his mom.
Just Hilarious
I don't remember.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, he has a song on his album, the Big Steppers. Is it called the big steppers?
Just Hilarious
Yeah. Mr. Morale.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. Yeah.
Just Hilarious
Did you and Denzel have those conversations when y'all was recording Demons?
Charlamagne Tha God
Nah, I didn't even tell him what to write about. I Actually, that was the last song. Cause that was just me by myself at first. And then I was like, how can I turn this up? But he heard the context. Like, me and him have, like, a telepathy that, like, we don't have to talk to each other to know what it is. So he got it, and he understood the assignment.
Ferg
How did y'all end up piecing up? I know y'all had, like, a little beef.
Charlamagne Tha God
I never had beef with him. I'm not the beef type person. Like, I rather like. I'm not. I just don't have to talk to you. What we beefing for?
Ferg
How did y'all connect with that after that, though?
Charlamagne Tha God
I took Denzel on tour on Madman Tour. Was. It was on the first wing. It was Playboi Carti and somebody else. Oh, I think it was idk. And I had, like. I had came off tour during that time. Cause I got. I was just mentally in. Physically drained. And then I came back on, and then I think he came on for the second wing. But me and Denzel always been cool. Like, super cool. We was the type of dudes talking like, I don't know what they doing. Like, they tripping. But yeah, that's my buddy. Like, I love Denzel. He's my favorite rapper.
Ferg
Yeah.
Just Hilarious
Now you said, is it hard to have these conversations? Could always think about, you know, when you sharing so much of yourself and you being so vulnerable about certain things. But then you do gotta go out here and do interviews, stuff like that. Is it hard to have those conversations?
Charlamagne Tha God
No, I just think that it could be challenging on how to. Because, you know, you get ridiculed and all of that stuff. And people love to take sound bites and take it out of term, and I have to be cool with that. But I think that is really on how I convey it. That's what I focus on. I thought about this interview months before I got here, and I was like, yeah, I'm like. Cause I'm gonna. I knew I was gonna have to talk about this stuff. So I was just like, how do I talk about It. And, you know, this is not, first of all, easy. You don't hear. This is like the first type shit. Like, somebody talking about this. This open.
Just Hilarious
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
You get what I'm saying? I'm, like, leading the pack for a new way right now. Like, and it's not easy. So, yeah, it's like, it's gonna come out the way it come out. But I just try to figure out, like, all right, how can I best, you know, paint the picture exactly the way it is in my mind?
Just Hilarious
And they're coming from Harlem, which is DePaul's capital. Do you even have that conversation without somebody?
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm grown. Like, yeah. Like, that's neither here nor there. Like, you know, and yeah, pause. Like, it's still pause. Pause. Like my gay friends stay pause.
Ferg
They gotta be from New York. I feel like they probably the only gay niggas that say pause.
DJ Envy
Yeah, I was gonna ask. You said that you feel like you should be in the conversations when it comes to Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, and Drake. But then somebody would say, but it takes you too damn long to put out a project.
Charlamagne Tha God
J. Cole, the same thing. That's what we do.
Ferg
What was your mindset behind. I thought I was dead.
Charlamagne Tha God
They thought I was dead. I never thought I was dead.
Ferg
Okay, well, tell me the mindset behind that.
Charlamagne Tha God
The mindset behind that was the Ills comment. You know what I'm saying? He said I was, you know, I was burnt out. Trap, Lord, can't get it right. I remember that. I remember that so vividly.
Just Hilarious
Crazy. You the most active from asap. Well, to me. Musically.
Charlamagne Tha God
Musically, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said that when I had, like a song on a billboard with Nas, the Spicy joint, and a song with Nicki Minaj. But I love Ills, you know, I love him even when he don't know I do. Or if he don't think I do.
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Just Hilarious
Hey, what's up?
Charlamagne Tha God
This is Ramses Job and I go by the name Q Ward, and we'd like you to join us each week for our show, Civic Cipher. That's right. We're going to discuss social issues, especially those that affect black and brown people, but in a way that informs and empowers all people to hopefully create better allies. Think of it as a black show for non black people. We discuss everything from prejudice to politics to police violence. And we try to give you the tools to create positive change in your home, workplace, and social circle. Exactly. Whether you're black, Asian, white, Latinx, indigenous, lgbtqia, you name it. If you stand with us, then we stand with you. Let's discuss the stories and conduct the interviews that will help us create a more empathetic, accountable, and equitable America. You are all our brothers and sisters, and we're inviting you to join us for Civic Cipher each and every Saturday with myself, Ramses Ja Q Ward, and some of the greatest minds in America. Listen to Civic Cipher every Saturday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Tereza
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, that fueled me, and I was just like, you know what? This is great. Cause for so long, I felt like nobody was trying to fuck with me. Like, I needed somebody to, like, poke me. Like, poke the beer so I could get better. Like, so I just used the fuel to just create. And. Yeah, and then also I was looking at Deion Sanders team. They just kept losing. So I'm like, I'm gonna create an anthem for them. And just for any. But then it turned into for anybody who was doubted, I wanted to create this anthem for feel like the album.
DJ Envy
Is kind of like that. Like, you feel like a lot of people doubted you in this album, and it's like, this is my way of giving y'all the middle finger and telling y'all I'm back.
Charlamagne Tha God
Nah, it wasn't really. It's a few. It wasn't a lot of people. Like. Cause I know I'm lit. Like, that's not a question in my mind. It's just. I'm talking to a few people.
Ferg
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
And you can hear it, like, you know, I say some names. I'm sly with some things. But you. You get a. I'm very transparent on this album.
Ferg
Now, you said that. You corrected me.
DJ Envy
You.
Ferg
You never thought she was dead. But you have a song called Alive with a sad face next to it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Alive Unhappy. It's called Alive Unhappy.
Ferg
Okay.
Charlamagne Tha God
I just thought that'd be cool to, like, use an emoji as a part of the title. Another thing with the. The title. And I'm gonna get back to what you was asking. The title reads. It's basically a summary when you read it down, of what the album is about. So you can. Light work.
Just Hilarious
Thought I was dead. Alive. Allure Demons. Messy French Tips. Dead homies. Catherine Spells. Fool Chosen. Daryl.
Charlamagne Tha God
Exactly. Yep. So what, you asked again, what was that?
Ferg
I was saying because.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, Alive Unhappy.
Ferg
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
All right. So basically, now that leads us here. Light work. Because I'm a light worker. Like, I sat down with these mediums, and they told me I was a light worker. I come to shed light in a place of dark. And I was like, you've been doing.
Just Hilarious
The work work, huh? For a while, yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, I'm not playing. We here to fix things. So. Light work. I come to shed dark. I mean, light in a land of dark. So. But in Harlem, we be like, oh, that shit is light work. That shit is easy. So I'm like, thinking like, yo, this is light work. And then I had my little cousin do that on a song. This is light work. So light work goes until. They thought I was dead. They thought I was dead. Cause I've been gone for four years. And then you go to Alive Unhappy, which Dapper Dan is speaking on an intro. And then Alive Unhappy is basically just saying, like, no, I'm not dead. I'm alive, but I'm unhappy. And that is the why I've been gone. So a lot of unhappy. And then it goes into why the allure with me in future. The allure of the game, the money, the fame, the drugs, the booze, the everything. You know, we have five people die out of asap. Yams, China, J, Scott Pressy, and Josh. I won't be surprised if it's like somebody I'm missing, but yeah. So alive, unhappy. And then you go into allure and then allure. With the allure of the game comes the demons. Now we talking about the demons now. What? I said rappers want to talk about demons and how they on demon time, but they don't open it up. And I'm not coming at no rappers. This is just a pamphlet on or a blueprint on what we need to do. Open those demons up and let's talk about it. So I start talking about the demons. I see demons everywhere Demons from the pain Demons in my cup Demons in my brain Demons in the food Demons with the fame Demons in the sun Demons in the rain she on demon time she don't need the vibe no, I got a girl she don't even mind I don't got a condom I don't need to find Demon in my mind Telling me it's fine so we go into demons and then we go into messy, messy, messy. Because with demons, shit get messy and then messy, it goes into French tips, you know, getting messy with my girl, I'm fucking up all of that shit. But, like, I'm also showing gratitude towards my lady and that song. And then we go into casting spells.
Just Hilarious
No dead homie.
Charlamagne Tha God
No dead homie. Sorry, that's another. That's demons too. Like, all my niggas is dying. All of that. I gotta deal with that. And then we go into casting spells, which is like more about, like, manifestation. What we talking about? Power of words. Power of words. That's why they call it spelling. It's like casting spells every time you talk. So, you know, Young Thug was locked up at the time, and he was locked up behind bars for his bars. So I did a painting. I painted all of my cover art too. So I did a painting called Young Thug. And then it has, like, bars, like gel bars. And then it has Rico and blood behind bars. So I was like, put the Rico behind bars because we getting locked up for our bars. So, yeah, so we got casting spells, then we go into pool. This is when it start getting real in the skin, into the. The spirit of what this album is about. And then we go into Chosen, because that is an affirmation to myself. I'm the chosen one. And then we go into Daryl. I arrived to myself for myself.
Just Hilarious
On Alive. You talk about how you only got one more album with Sony.
Charlamagne Tha God
Now that's on Thought I was dead.
Just Hilarious
Oh, thought I was dead. I'm sorry. Yeah, son. Thought I was dead. What's important to you at this stage of your career, when it comes to just renegotiating, if you even want to.
Charlamagne Tha God
Renegotiate, just more freedom, more money. I got signed. I had three partners basically in my pocket. It looked easy and breezy. I never talk about business. I never talk about family business. I might talk a little bit about family business and songs get trouble. Get in trouble for it sometimes. But yeah, I had, you know, three partners and I had to work through that for 10 years. So everything that you see, I have. I had to work like 10 times harder to get it. So now, you know, I have one more album. I want to make some more money. You know what I'm saying? Point blank period. I got things I need to do.
DJ Envy
I noticed on the Law, people were talking about futures verse. People were assuming that he was talking about Gunner. Of course. When people send you verses, do you listen or do you not care? That's their own artistic way of feeling.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, I definitely listen. I'm listening and I know what people is talking about. But yeah, artistic freedom, I'm not allowing nobody to like. It's words at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying? It's words like we see. I think Future and Drake just got linked back up and they cool again and.
Just Hilarious
Nah, they said that wasn't real.
Charlamagne Tha God
That wasn't real. Oh, okay. Well, you know, I met Gunna through Thug, so I'm loyal to Thug. Whatever Thug say is good is good. You know, I love Thug and I've grown a love for Gunna and when I see him, it's love, but at the same time, it's like, whatever Thug say.
Just Hilarious
Have you spoken to Thug since he been home?
Charlamagne Tha God
I haven't spoke to Thug when he was home, but I went to his girl's show and we had spoken on the phone or.
Ferg
How was it working with Marjorie Blige? You got her on two tracks.
Charlamagne Tha God
Mary is the queen.
Ferg
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Mary is literally the best in the world. Like, we are the same spirit, like uptown energy. Her remixing, like, Roy ear songs. I love Roy ears. Yeah. It's just like it was a dream for me to work with her. She actually chose four songs to jump on. She wound up getting on two.
Just Hilarious
Wow.
Charlamagne Tha God
But, yeah, I do a whole album with her. She's amazing.
Ferg
That's good.
Just Hilarious
How has therapy kept you grounded?
Charlamagne Tha God
More poised. It gave me tools to work through, thoughts. It's like I look at my therapist like a life manager. Like, we got managers for our money, we got managers for our work, and, like, we need managers for Our mind. And you might need a spiritual guide, too, to, like, guide you through the unseen. So it's like, that's how I look at therapy is just like a life manager. It helps me put things into perspective. Like you said, unwinding things and breaking conditions and, like, understanding where things is rooted. So you could kind of look at it and just be like, oh, that's popping back up. Let me. Let me dive in. And then also, like, meditation. I've been meditating for about five years now. Like, religiously, when I had, like, heavy anxiety, I was meditating for 30 minutes in a day as soon as I wake up, and then 30 minutes before I go to sleep. And then that shit. Literally that and the therapy. Like, I used to go into the therapy office, and my leg was moving like this. I used to watch my father do that all the time. And when I first walked in there, he said, you see your leg moving like that? And I was like. And then I just stopped. He was like, yeah, that's anxiety. And anxiety also don't only have to be from trauma or whatever. It can be. You're happy. You're excited.
Just Hilarious
Yeah. Your album just came out today. You want to see what it's going to do, how people react to it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, when I walked Kendrick through Harlem, my anxiety was through the roof. Cause I'm like, kendrick, one of my favorite rappers. So it's like that right there was like. That was cool. That was some cool shit. Niggas can't do that. Yeah. Nah. You know what I'm saying? And he was protected. Nothing happened on my watch.
DJ Envy
That's what you was more nervous about.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, make sure I wasn't even thinking about that, T. Ferg really thought about that. Cause I just don't think shit gonna happen to me at all. Like, yeah, but, like, yeah, talk about that.
DJ Envy
We walking him through Harlem.
Charlamagne Tha God
So I had went to his show, and he was like, yo, I got a day off tomorrow. I'm like, are you trying to go to Harlem? And he was like, yeah, I'm down. And then Dave free called me. He was like, yo, this n. A really trying to pull up to Harlem. So I had to, like, put a whole itinerary together. It randomly wound up being dapper Dan's birthday that day. He didn't even know I was coming to see him. And I brought Kendrick to Melba's and then we went to Dapper Dan. I brought him to my hood, showed him, like, the stoop that I used to hang out on, and it was like, he's like, you know they don't got hydrants open in la. So he's like touching the water and shit. This nigga acting like that's holy water. Yeah, I just thought it was cool. And it kind of like I seen the kid in them. Like, we walked through two fifth, like from like seventh to eighth, and you know, like we walked past the Apollo, he looking at the DVDs that they got on the table. And it was early, so all the kids was in school. So it wasn't like crazy mayhem. We was like low. He was like, damn. Like, where everybody at? And then I crossed the street, we went and we got like some mangoes from the Mexican lady. So it was cool.
DJ Envy
And that's what. Is that the video where he did the pull ups?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, that was the video where he did. He beat T. Ferg in the pull ups. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got it. They gotta do a rematch. We said we gotta go to Compton and they gotta do the rematch. Cause we can't go out like that East Coast.
Just Hilarious
You heard another thing people were talking about earlier this year. I don't know if you spoke about this anyway, but when they was looking for Rocky to be on Romello, and then when he put it out, he wasn't on there.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think Rocky Low key used that verse for another song. Yeah, yeah. So that's what happened. But he ain't tell me that.
Just Hilarious
So you had to take him off.
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't take him off. The Virgin still exists. We could still put it out. Yo, everybody. All the fans go hound Rocky to drop his version of Romelo. Cause whatever other song he dropped, we don't remember that. Go drop the Romelo verse. We need that. That back and forth is crazy on some Jada and Styles going back and forth. Crazy.
Just Hilarious
You know, people always talk about your face when they. When they did the. They show that video of Rocky talking about fighting in jail.
DJ Envy
Yeah, that's classic.
Just Hilarious
For whatever reason, that goes super viral on Tick Tock all the time. And they always doing it on your face. What were you thinking in that moment?
Charlamagne Tha God
I was just listening. I wasn't even thinking. And I didn't even realize I was doing all of that with my face until I seen that. Like, I was like, yo, I seen a mic dropped like this. And then I'm like. And I'm like. Because this is news to me. Like, I never. First of all, Casanova, when he first came home, he told me he was locked up with Flaco. And I didn't know that Rocky was locked Up. So that was news. And then when I think I brought it up or he brought it up during that interview, and then he started going to the details. This was all news to me. So I'm just reacting to the news, like. And I didn't know I was looking like that.
Just Hilarious
Did y'all talk about it afterwards, like.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, we laughed about it. Rocky likes shit like that. He's silly like, he. Rocky is. Yeah, he. Rocky a different type of dude. Like, he ain't tripping about none of that shit, at least to me.
Just Hilarious
Do you miss that, just having the whole gang around?
Charlamagne Tha God
Uh, no, I don't. Cause it was a time. It was a time when we was kids. A lot of it was fun, but a lot of it, I was just like, man, I can't wait till I have my own bus. I can't wait till, like, it's my time to, like, pick out people who I want to roll with me and do my thing. Cause I don't smoke weed. I don't. I don't do a lot of the things. Like, I mean, the girls, yeah, we was doing a lot of the things, but we, you know, it was some fun moments in that. And I like to leave it like that. Like, it's legendary. Like, I wouldn't want to, you know, if it's a thing where, like, any of my brothers need anything, Like, I could pull up on 12e, work through stuff, or, you know. But, yo, that's 11 years in front of y'all, but, like, you know what I'm saying? But before that, we, like, in Harlem doing the same thing, but not in front of the world. So, you know, all together is probably, like, 17 years of just us. I'm ready for new things, like, you know what I'm saying? And like I said, if any of them need anything, I'm here when yam. I do. Sorry to cut your wisdom, but I do feel like we gotta get this ASAP movie together, and we gotta get the yam stuff together and tell a story, because we are getting of age, and it's that time. Yeah.
Just Hilarious
I was gonna ask, do you think yams being yams, he felt like the heart and soul of everything. You think when he passed that, like, changed everything? The whole dynamics of the group or the crew?
Charlamagne Tha God
When he passed for sure. Cause yams was fighting. Like, I watched jams catch a seizure at Coachella. He went to the hospital, and he came back, and he. He's still trying to fight to everybody and talk like, well, he wasn't fighting, but he Was, like, fighting through that, having another seizure, you know, while talking and trying to get everybody together because you got different textures, and, you know, I might be, like, silk and, like, Rocky might be, like hemp and, like, Nas might be, like leather. So you trying to mesh all of these different fabrics together, and that's a tough thing to do, especially coming from Harlem, like. And yams. Like, yams, yams. Yo, every time he talk, it's just like he was getting electrocuted. He. He just catch another. It's not funny, but, like, at that moment, I'm like, yo, bro, you're gonna die. Like, you gotta stop. You stressing yourself out way too much. Like. And I don't miss that. I don't miss that energy, and I don't miss. But it was. It made me into who I am, and I know that that's a very real thing, and that's why I also feel like this album is important.
Ferg
You speak about therapy, like, in past tense, you know, you're not in therapy anymore.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Ferg
Okay.
Charlamagne Tha God
This is my therapy now. Got you, you know, talking to y'all.
Ferg
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
So whenever I need to, like, talk to somebody, I'm gonna come here.
Ferg
Nice.
Just Hilarious
No, you should go to your therapist. You should definitely go to your therapist. Like you said, it's something that you. You keep. Like, it's like a doctor.
Charlamagne Tha God
It's like, nah, if I need it, like, I will go. But it was times where, like, I'll just go and be like, yo, how's the family? And then, like, yo, the family is good. Like, yeah. So how was. Like, how was Thanksgiving? And we ain't got nothing to talk about because I got the tools.
Just Hilarious
I get you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, yeah.
Ferg
Talk to us about Ferg Apparel. You relaunch in. Oh, yeah. Just show it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
Ferg
That's what's up.
Just Hilarious
That was your pops line, right?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Ferg
And you're relaunching it?
Charlamagne Tha God
It was a. It's a family brand from the Ferg empire my father started in 1994. Had a store in 145th between 7th and 8th. And. Yeah, I just thought it was time, like, with, like, this whole me going back to the roots, I just thought it was only right. I never really put the energy into, like, relaunching a brand. I always used the logo, but I wanted to relaunch the brand, and I felt like it was a whole demographic that wasn't getting fed, and that's, like, the uptown energy. Like, we don't got that. We don't got that in fashion. We don't got the stories. And nowadays, kids love going shopping at vintage stores and stuff like that because those clothes hold stories in it, and they want to be in those stories. Now they spend, like, $1,000 on, like, a Selena shirt or, like, you know, Tina Turner. So I just wanted to, like, provide the stories to them because that's important. They would. Like my friend's son, we was all working out. Well, my uncle's son, we was working out yesterday, and his son is 14 years. Well, 17 years old. And he's just asking me, like, yo, when you were 17, like, how you was doing? So they need the information. They need the information, so I want to give it to them.
Just Hilarious
I was watching Head and Gina Views. I saw you on there.
Charlamagne Tha God
On.
Just Hilarious
Effective immediately. You said you got a job at Roc Nation.
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't have a job at Roc Nation. So J. Brown is my manager, and along with Kaylee, and I brought in my Uncle Deion. But I had a internship at Rockefeller back in the day. Well, not Rockefeller, but Rocawear. And, yeah. So we working together, and it's nice.
Just Hilarious
Got you, got you, got you. My last question, man, I saw a quote. Well, you said it's okay to grow up, and that's what I want to show my community on this album. So it just made me wonder, why do you think our community is the one that judges people for something as simple as wanting to grow up or wanting to better yourself?
Charlamagne Tha God
We watch all of the great people do it. Jay Z, Kendrick, J. Cole. I love Snoop. Snoop is my favorite rapper in the world. We got the same birthday, October 20th. Snoop is my favorite rapper because he was the first to show his kids, like, yo, this is my family. This is my kids, and be, like, a gangster rapper. Like, I thought that was super dope, and he could be gangster, but also still be gangster and do a Martha Stewart show and not look like he compromising himself. So I don't know if that's some Libra shit, but I rock with that.
DJ Envy
Yeah, let's get into a joint off the album. What you want to hear?
Charlamagne Tha God
Chosen.
DJ Envy
Chosen.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. All right.
DJ Envy
Well, we'll get into that. Now, the album Daryl is out right now, and we appreciate you for joining us, brother.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes, thank you. It's Ferg.
DJ Envy
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Just Hilarious
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Charlamagne Tha God
The Breakfast Club.
Tereza
Hello, my undeadly darlings. It's Teresa, your resident ghost host. And do I have a treat for you. Haunting is crawling out from the shadows, and it's going to be devilishly good. We've got chills, thrills and stories that'll make you wish the lights stayed on. So join me, won't you? Let's dive into the eerie unknown together. Sleep tight if you can. Listen to haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Honey German
On Thanksgiving Day 1999, five year old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida and the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?
Charlamagne Tha God
Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with.
Honey German
Him or stay with his relatives in Miami.
Charlamagne Tha God
Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.
Honey German
Listen to Chef's piece the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Gracias. Come Again, a podcast by Honey German where we get real and dive straight into todolo actual y viral. We're talking Musica, Los Premios El Chisme and all things trending in my cultura. I'm bringing you all the latest happening in our entertainment world and some fun and impactful interviews with your favorite Latin artists, comedians, actors and influencers. Each week we get deep and raw life stories, combos on the issues that matter to us, and it's all packed with gems. Bun Straight up Comedia and that's a song that only Nuestra Gente can sprinkle. Listen to Gracias. Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
Just Hilarious
Muhammad ali, George Foreman, 1974 George Foreman.
Charlamagne Tha God
Was champion of the world.
DJ Envy
Ali was smart and he was handsome.
Charlamagne Tha God
The story behind the Rumble in the Jungle is like a Hollywood movie, but.
Just Hilarious
That is only half the story.
Charlamagne Tha God
There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. king, Miriam Makeba, all the biggest black artists on the planet together in Africa.
Tereza
It was a big deal.
Charlamagne Tha God
Listen to Rumble, Ali Foreman and the.
Just Hilarious
Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app.
Charlamagne Tha God
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
Kate Max
Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series the Running Interview show where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run high on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Podcast Summary: "INTERVIEW: Ferg Talks ‘DAROLD,’ Therapy, Writing ‘Pool,’ KDot, Yams, Young Thug, Denzel Curry + More"
The Breakfast Club with DJ Envy and Charlamagne Tha God, hosted by iHeartPodcasts, features a compelling and intimate interview with the multifaceted artist Ferg. This episode delves deep into Ferg's personal journey, his creative process, experiences with therapy, and his perspectives on the hip-hop industry and its influential figures.
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DJ Envy and Charlamagne Tha God welcome Ferg as a special guest, highlighting his significance in the hip-hop scene. Ferg introduces his latest project, DAROLD, which marks a pivotal moment in his career.
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Ferg discusses his decision to shift from the ASAP Ferg moniker to simply Ferg, symbolizing a move towards individual artistry and personal growth.
Ferg elaborates on how this change allows him to break free from group associations and explore his unique identity.
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The conversation shifts to the dynamics within the ASAP Mob, reflecting on relationships with fellow members like Rocky and the impact of Yams' passing on the group.
Ferg adds his perspective on maintaining close ties despite individual pursuits.
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Ferg shares insights into his hiatus and the thoughtful process behind creating DAROLD, emphasizing the importance of purpose-driven music over chasing hits.
Charlamagne highlights the depth of vulnerability in the album, particularly in the song Pool, which took Ferg eight years to craft.
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A profound segment where Charlamagne opens up about his experiences with childhood molestation, the challenges of addressing such trauma, and the role of therapy in his healing journey.
He reflects on societal stigmas and the importance of discussing these issues openly.
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Charlamagne and Ferg explore the cultural shift towards vulnerability in hip-hop, contrasting it with older generations and emphasizing its necessity in connecting authentically with audiences.
Ferg concurs, underscoring how personal honesty enhances artistic expression.
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Ferg discusses his collaborations with iconic artists like Mary J. Blige, highlighting the synergy and mutual respect in these partnerships.
He also touches upon working relationships within the industry, including interactions with Denzel Curry and Young Thug.
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The conversation delves into Charlamagne's ongoing practices to maintain mental well-being, including therapy and meditation.
He emphasizes the importance of these tools in navigating the pressures of fame and personal growth.
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Ferg and Charlamagne reminisce about their past experiences within the group, the impact of Yams' passing, and the evolution of their individual paths.
Ferg reflects on the necessity of moving forward while honoring past relationships.
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Ferg introduces the relaunch of Ferg Apparel, a family brand rooted in his heritage, aiming to provide stories and connections through fashion.
He underscores the importance of heritage and storytelling in his entrepreneurial ventures.
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As the interview wraps up, Charlamagne highlights key tracks from DAROLD, inviting listeners to engage with the album's themes of vulnerability, struggle, and empowerment.
Ferg and Charlamagne express their gratitude and excitement for the album's release, encouraging listeners to explore its depth and message.
Charlamagne Tha God ([04:16]): “I feel like ASAP puts me in group think. You think about the era, the golden era... it's just, like, for me to change the game a whole nother way.”
Charlamagne Tha God ([09:28]): “I was holding this thing to myself. So I had to tell somebody.”
Ferg ([07:11]): “I wanted to create purpose and have purpose driven moves. So that's what I wanted to figure out.”
Charlamagne Tha God ([13:27]): “I thought it was cool to be vulnerable because we're in a town where being vulnerable is cool.”
Charlamagne Tha God ([38:59]): “More poised. It gave me tools to work through thoughts.”
Charlamagne Tha God ([50:08]): “We watch all of the great people do it... Snoop is my favorite rapper because he was the first to show his kids, like, this is my family.”
This episode of The Breakfast Club offers an unfiltered glimpse into Ferg's life, his artistic evolution, and his strategies for personal and professional growth. Through candid discussions, he addresses sensitive topics with honesty and encourages a culture of openness and vulnerability within the hip-hop community. Listeners gain valuable insights into the complexities of fame, the importance of mental health, and the power of authentic storytelling in music.
For those interested in exploring Ferg's journey and his latest work, listen to the full episode on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or your preferred podcast platform.