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DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne, the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa's hanging with us today as well. And we got some special guests in the building. Ladies and gentlemen, Jagged Edge.
Charlamagne Tha God
How y'all brothers doing, man?
Brian Casey
Good, man.
DJ Envy
See y'all in a minute.
Brian Casey
I know it's been a minute, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
Growing up a little bit.
DJ Envy
That's right. I always like to say this. This is one of the groups that y'all guys don't break up at all, huh?
Charlamagne Tha God
Y'all?
DJ Envy
But how we see every RB group, there's always a breakup. There's always a.
Brian Casey
How do y'all stay so tight, man?
Brandon Casey
We.
Brian Casey
We like each other. I mean, half the group is us, so we love each other.
Kyle Norman
Right? Little easier that way.
DJ Envy
Brothers is the one that be fighting.
Brian Casey
We be on the same page.
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely, man. No doubt.
Brandon Casey
Our fighting day is over with. You get grown, you don't fight.
DJ Envy
You don't fight no more.
Brian Casey
Just make money.
Kyle Norman
And you never know, though.
Wingo
And all of y'all still are in Atlanta.
Charlamagne Tha God
All of y'all atl.
Brian Casey
All of.
Wingo
And that's where all y'all originally from?
Brian Casey
Nah, me and him originally from Connecticut. Connecticut.
Wingo
Connecticut, y'all.
Brian Casey
We all up here on the road.
Kyle Norman
Yeah. Shout out to Hartford down the street.
DJ Envy
I always like to start from the beginning when you guys come here. So how did y'all guys form the group for people that don't know, how did Jagged Edge form?
Brian Casey
All right, whoever wanna take this.
Kyle Norman
Well, me and my brother was in the womb, you know what I'm saying? We had this group when we first got to Atlanta, you know, we was about 15 years old. Oh, I don't know why. So we. We was in another group when we first got to Atlanta. Not when we first got there, but when we first started singing. And it was two. Two other guys. And we sang at this church picnic. Kyle was at the church picnic. He came to us at the church picnic and said, listen, man, I got a group. Why don't y'all drop the other two and come get. He even have a group. But we didn't know that, though. We used to see Kyle around anyway. Cause me and him was. Was basketball players, and his. His cousin was playing on our team. So we knew each other from that in passing. And then once we actually sat down and talked and we realized he could sing, too, we put it together. It was another member at first, and he fizzled out somewhere along the way. And we picked up Wingo and, you know, I mean, been together Ever since. Since we bought 15 now we've been in this group.
DJ Envy
Now, where did the name come from?
Brian Casey
The name came from, if y'all remember. Think back to. I think I want to say, like, 91, 92 was a group came out of Atlanta called A Few Good Men. They were signed to LaFace.
DJ Envy
Yep.
Brian Casey
So just the name of their. Their group got me looking at movie titles. And during this time, I was. I happened to be at Candy House, right? And she had all these movies, like, all these just, you know, rolls of movies. And I started looking at the. At the movies, and when I seen the movie Jagged it, it's almost like it jumped out, like, hey, yeah. You know what I mean?
Kyle Norman
And so I.
Brian Casey
And so I said to them, and everybody was like, yeah, like, not one person pushed back. Everybody was like, yeah, that's a dope, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's it.
Lauren LaRosa
And this was after y'all were already signed to, so. So definitely. So you had a relationship with Candy before?
Brian Casey
Yes, only like a year. Like a year prior to us signing. Yeah.
Lauren LaRosa
Okay. And what was the relationship? Was it just like music stuff or like, how did you went to school?
Brian Casey
We ain't gonna went to school with Candy. They was in high school together.
Charlamagne Tha God
We graduated the same.
Brian Casey
So when we did our demo, he. He had took it to Candy House. Just playing it for just like, you know, getting her approval. Wasn't even trying to get a deal or nothing. She liked it so much, she was like. She called Winga one day, like, you still in that group. Y'all still. Y'all still trying to get a deal. He was like, yeah. So we made the deal with Candy. If you get us a deal, you can manage us. That's what it is. She got us a deal. So she was our first manager.
DJ Envy
She's our first manager.
Lauren LaRosa
She get to the money and the business side, though. So how was she as a manager in the early days?
Brian Casey
I mean, she was getting her feet wet as.
Charlamagne Tha God
But I'll always tell anybody, like, as far as being an active artist and trying to manage, you know, managers is somebody's like, having kids, right? You know what I mean? You gotta be up for them. 5, 30 phone calls and. And it's just a lot. You know what I mean?
Kyle Norman
So, you know, and also too shout out to Tiny too, because she was just as instrumental without Tiny. She was like the direct link to JD on the business side. You know what I mean? So without her, it wouldn't happen.
DJ Envy
Did y'all want to sign a social death at the time? Was that the Goal, like, that's where y'all wanted to go.
Brian Casey
I mean, we had to be honest. We had a couple deals on the table. It was Rowdy Mercury. Mercury at the time. Remember Mercury? It was Rowdy Mercury. And then Soso Death came in there at the end of those offers. And I just think, you know, Candy did what she said we was what she was gonna do, and that meant a lot to us. So we. We was gonna do what we said we was gonna do.
Wingo
Yeah. How instrumental was Jermaine Dupree with y'all now? Like, do y'all still, like, call him about music, you know, for all the original parts, Volume one. I know.
Brian Casey
I mean, you know, Jermaine, my man, that's our guy forever. But, you know, much as I love Jermaine, I hit Jermaine about all kind of shit. But, you know, it's rough to get Jermaine do some shit for you, right? I'll be honest with you, if he ain't a part of it, you know what I'm saying? I've had a tough time getting his involvement in things that he wasn't really spearheading, honestly.
Kyle Norman
Jermaine is why we are writers and producers. Well, at least producers. We was always writers. But through dealing with him, we not like, you can't just put us on no back burner. We not. You know what I mean? You can't tie our hands. You can't. So we figured out how to go make beats ourselves, you know what I mean? Learn how to play keys ourselves, learn how to do this stuff. So he's a big reason why. And I'm not saying in a negative way, just understanding that it takes more than just one man to stop what we trying to do, you know what I'm saying?
Brandon Casey
And one thing about us, man, we not petty. You know what I'm saying? We kind of respect the blessings.
Charlamagne Tha God
He took a chance with us, man.
Brandon Casey
He took a chance. So we respect the blessing and keep it moving. But we was already a self contained group. We was already writing. We was already like what we're going to wear on the show. So we really didn't need anything but the money. I guess.
Brian Casey
We need nothing but everything.
Charlamagne Tha God
Other than that much love.
Brandon Casey
Self contained, but, yeah, but much love.
Charlamagne Tha God
To JD that's our family forever.
Brandon Casey
We just know there's a lot of bashing when it comes to.
Kyle Norman
Yeah, nah, nah, nah, yeah.
Brian Casey
None of that. Yeah, we ain't doing it.
DJ Envy
And when did y'all leave? So.
Brian Casey
So death and why we actually so. So def. Left us Right. You know, he had a situation with Columbia. They couldn't get on the same page, so he left and went to. Where did he go?
Kyle Norman
Ariston first. Right.
Brian Casey
So he went to Arista and Colombia. Basically told him, like, right, if you want them, you gonna have to pay for a football team, you know? And JD was like, I don't want them that bad.
Kyle Norman
I done made me smart. Yeah. They wouldn't let him take us and Bow wow. So we wanted to go, but you know what I mean, wasn't in the cars at the time.
DJ Envy
So when y'all left at that time, that's when it completely stopped. He never said, I'm not writing for y'all producing because y'all weren't on the label at that.
Brian Casey
No. We got back together with Jermaine two different times. We went to Def Jam with Jermaine and then we did an album with E2 with Jermaine. So, yeah, I mean, we've. We've. You know, music. The music game in itself is a complicated business. And I think, you know, keeping your relationships tight is something that you have to do. But at the same time, if you can't get on the same page with somebody, you have your own goals, your own dreams, and that's what you got to follow. You know what I mean? And. And that's what we did. Yeah.
Wingo
Knowing that y'all still got hits like let's Get Married and Promise and all that, like, how does that feel to. To know that I just saw a video that went viral where somebody had proposed to their girl and they had to sing Married.
Kyle Norman
Did y'all see that?
Wingo
What are y'all reactions from that other than it being funny and they should have picked somebody else, like, but, like, knowing that that shit still hit, like, it's love, man.
Brian Casey
I love it.
Kyle Norman
It's an amazing feeling. Like, you know, we talking about this the other day, like, we definitely didn't get it to be a one hit wonder, right? And we definitely wanted to have a, you know, a career that was, you know, filled with, you know, longevity. So when you see things like that, you realize you done hit your mark a little bit. You know what I mean? But we ain't done, though. But yeah, it feels good, though.
Lauren LaRosa
Y'all celebrating 25 years of the JE heartbreak. Let's get married.
Brian Casey
This.
Lauren LaRosa
What are some likes story like? Because I know you guys have probably been, like, just reminiscing because it's 25 years you celebrate. And what are some stories that, like, we probably never heard in the making of Some of the iconic songs. So let's get married. He can't love you like that. Like, Brian, you laughing. I'm sorry, Brandon. Sorry.
Brandon Casey
You was close?
Kyle Norman
One or the other.
Brian Casey
How does he feel? Like, we got so many stories, but it's like, how many of them is really suitable for tv?
Lauren LaRosa
The thing that this goes on TV through t tubi, though, so it's a little different.
Brian Casey
You can say whatever the hell you want on air.
Lauren LaRosa
Would you guys like me to pour you a drink? Are you comfortable? All right.
Wingo
I saw in an interview, Beyonce dad, like, threw y'all off of a tour bus. What happened with that?
DJ Envy
Not trying to holler at Beyonce.
Brian Casey
You know, it's so amazing. Like, when it happened, somebody said to us, y'all gonna be talking about this for the whole. The rest. And then they was, damn right. Like, y'all still be talking about.
Wingo
I know what happened.
Brian Casey
So basically, we was on tour with. With destiny child, and at the time, Matthew was our manager. So we were sharing the tour bus, us and Desi Child. We all on one tour bus.
Charlamagne Tha God
How big was that bus?
Brian Casey
And so, you know, I think it's probably well documented that latoya has had different issues with, you know, the crew this particular night. Latoya's mom was on the road. Ms. Pam, shout out, Ms. Pam. And Ms. Pam obviously had issues with the crew. So Matthew called, even though he wasn't in the city. He called back to the road manager, like, you know, Ms. Pam ain't getting on that bus, right? And we was like, well, we not leaving her out in the middle of Louisiana, right? So she is gonna get on the bus. That dude had the police called on us, had us remove. So, yeah, I mean, but, you know, we just felt like, whatever the issue is, it can't be that serious that you going to leave somebody out here.
Kyle Norman
And you're not even here.
Brian Casey
And you're not even here.
Charlamagne Tha God
It was somebody if it was your mom. You know what I'm saying? The same way.
Kyle Norman
Come on, man.
Brian Casey
Exactly. We did what was right.
Brandon Casey
Hey, man, you know, we from. I mean, originally, but we from the south. And, you know, you feel what I'm saying? So we kind of felt that. Like, man, we mama's boy. So we had a obligation. But we want to whoop Matthew. She catch you by the bathroom at one of your concerts. We gonna your ass out. So shouts out to Matthew for not going by that bathroom.
Lauren LaRosa
The story goes. So because you were dating Latavia at the time, Brandon. And then so she told the story on a Radio station. She was saying that you stuck up for the group. Like, you. You were the one about to go off. So you was at the bathroom.
Brian Casey
Well, we all did, but I definitely. I went in the room with the girls. You know, I just seen it, like. Like I said, like, if it was my mother, it would have been worse than that. Like, I would have turned. It would have got nasty and ugly. So I didn't want it to go that far. So I tried to have a conversation with the girls. I couldn't talk to Matthew. He didn't make himself available. But, you know, I tried to make the other girls who, you know, was in the group with Latoya, you know, support her. And they all just kinda let me know that they had different issues with latoya and her mother, and that's why it was this bad.
Kyle Norman
And even to be fair to them. Cause I talked to Kelly about this after that, and it got to a point where she even felt like, well, at this point, it's out of my hands. Once Matthew took control of it, they didn't feel like they even had much of a say anyway. So. You know what I mean?
Charlamagne Tha God
It is what it is.
DJ Envy
I did want to ask, too. They used to put pit 112 against you guys, right?
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely.
DJ Envy
And it was. It was a thing. Was it ever a beef or was it just always fun?
Kyle Norman
It was. Charlemagne did it, man.
Brian Casey
You know what, man? It was never a real beef. Like, I don't know how many people notice, but them guys like brothers, though. Like, out of all the male groups we've been on shows with or just been around or in our era, I should say, 112 is our closest friend.
Wingo
Wow.
Brian Casey
So, yeah, it was never a real beef, but it got a little testy. At what point?
DJ Envy
At what point? And what happened? What was the reason?
Brian Casey
When we was coming back from a tour we was on and we was pulling into the city, me and Kyle.
Kyle Norman
Was getting dropped, and we heard y'all.
DJ Envy
Kicked him out the bus.
Brian Casey
We just heard them on the radio talking some. Talking some trash. And me and Kyle just made a beeline of where they was at.
Brandon Casey
I was taking my brain.
Brian Casey
It was just me and him. We knew how far we was there. We didn't even care. We. We was ready to do whatever had to.
DJ Envy
What did they say that was that bad?
Brian Casey
It was a live remote.
Brandon Casey
V103.
Brian Casey
Ryan Cameron playing the Hollywood.
Brandon Casey
He was playing the Hollywood. So you know how old that is. Planet Hollywood. So they was doing their album, I guess, a release.
Kyle Norman
No, it was. It Was.
Brian Casey
Doing something. They was doing something.
Brandon Casey
They was doing something.
Brian Casey
And a live remote.
Brandon Casey
They was subliminally talking and he said, well, you know, 1:12 or the.
Brian Casey
No, he said this. I remember. I never get it. I don't know if Ryan Cameron had asked him the question, but Q said something like, how could Jackie be the best group? They got two. They only got two lead singers, a cheerleader and a rah rah man.
Brandon Casey
And I said, hey, wow, I'm the rah rah.
Brian Casey
Nothing happened. Like, nothing happened, man.
Brandon Casey
It was.
Kyle Norman
I guess I was sleep that day. I don't know what happened.
Brian Casey
We ain't wake nobody up. We went straight there.
Charlamagne Tha God
And I honestly think, like, Ryan, because they was trying to p. They was really trying to put us on tour together. So Ryan was trying to create something to like, to drive the traffic.
Brian Casey
But nobody can't do it.
Charlamagne Tha God
See what I'm saying?
Brian Casey
So we was taking offense to everything they was doing.
Charlamagne Tha God
We could talk shit back really good. You know what I mean?
Kyle Norman
But y'all wouldn't say that when we was in the room nowhere.
Brian Casey
So that's the issue too though.
Charlamagne Tha God
I mean, because I actually. I was the first person to ever seen that group before. You see what I'm saying? I'm the one turning them on to their management. They had to do before us, you see what I'm saying? So it's almost like. Just like Brandon, he was almost in one twist.
Brian Casey
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like they were gonna try to put me in there for a second. They were like, you know what I mean? Again. And this was before I was in Jagged Edge. You see what I'm saying? So again, like, we've known these guys since yay high, but again, so. But like I said, you can't start something without letting us know. And you're like, come on, bro.
Brandon Casey
Like that was that era with the fake beef. A lot of people, we ain't doing that shit, man.
Brian Casey
I don't even know how to.
Wingo
That's probably why they ain't tell y' cuz y'all wouldn't have been with that.
DJ Envy
Like as R and B singers. Cuz, I mean, I've seen y'all go crazy turn up a lot of times. Do y'all feel like as a R and B singer, you think people take y'all as soft and you sometimes you gotta prove yourself.
Brian Casey
They can take it however they want.
Kyle Norman
A different situation.
Brian Casey
Fuck around and find out your ass gonna get jumped. You.
Brandon Casey
You hit one of us, your ass getting jumped. Pretty much. Not the love, but no, I feel you like.
Kyle Norman
And I talk about this sometime, you know? Like, that stigma to me is number one's played out number two. I don't know them R and B. Who y'all be talking about?
Brian Casey
Who is them niggas? Like, I don't know who they are.
Kyle Norman
You know what I'm saying?
DJ Envy
Every dudes I see all get it in.
Kyle Norman
I don't know.
DJ Envy
They all go crazy.
Kyle Norman
Come on, man.
Brian Casey
Come on, come on.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, he's a martial artist.
Wingo
Like, fight.
DJ Envy
Yeah.
Brian Casey
No, he's a martial artist.
DJ Envy
Of course we know Trey.
Kyle Norman
Come on.
DJ Envy
We know Crazy Ass Chris.
Kyle Norman
Come on.
DJ Envy
Every R and B person.
Brian Casey
Hey, G, J, listen, Pleasure, P, everybody you can think of, I really know.
Kyle Norman
I don't know them, who they be talking about.
Brian Casey
It's not going to be no easy win.
Charlamagne Tha God
And what it is is we're from the same places around the same.
Brian Casey
We grew up in the R and B hood. That's RB hood at.
Lauren LaRosa
How often do people bring up the. The Cisco fight?
Brian Casey
That one don't matter. He spared that, man.
Wingo
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Cause that's my man.
Charlamagne Tha God
Cause you know, we from Baltimore.
Brian Casey
What the.
Wingo
What happened?
Brian Casey
Do some flips in there.
Brandon Casey
How you say? Up top. I had to sun him, had to son him.
DJ Envy
What was it about?
Charlamagne Tha God
It wasn't about nothing. Just messing around.
Brian Casey
Yeah, right.
Charlamagne Tha God
And it ended up getting, you know, they how you play. And then ended up, I guess he end up getting serious kind of play.
Lauren LaRosa
He said he.
Brandon Casey
Yeah, yeah, he was getting. I was chilling, right? And I ain't finna do all that. I know I wasn't the aggressor, okay? But I wasn't with the either, like, hey, man, chill out. And if you can. It's on the video, right?
Kyle Norman
Chill out if you can.
Brandon Casey
See, I'm like, yo, man, chill out. And he was trying to like, oh, man, I'm losing this. You're gonna lose.
Brian Casey
He didn't throw. Not one part.
Kyle Norman
He spared him.
Brian Casey
He wasn't really doing them dirty or nothing.
Charlamagne Tha God
I was like, y'all, if I'm gonna walk out, I left their ass in there by.
Brian Casey
And me and him was already gone.
DJ Envy
So y'all squash all y'all. Y'all, y'all, man.
Brian Casey
You know what, though? You know what, though? Quiet as it's kept. We fought with all the groups. Some of them have had issues with us. So we fuck with everybody, man. Straight up. We fuck. I got respect for all of them.
Brandon Casey
All of them.
DJ Envy
Now, there was a time where I feel like R and B died out a little bit right now. It's back like crazy. Everybody's doing an R and B party.
Kyle Norman
R and B tour. The biggest parties in every city.
Charlamagne Tha God
R and B Jones.
Brandon Casey
Yeah.
DJ Envy
So during that time when R and B died a little bit, how did you guys survive? Cause I seen tours slow down, music slowed down for R and B. Everybody was saying R and B died. How did y'all?
Brian Casey
None of it did.
Charlamagne Tha God
Us, not our record.
Brian Casey
We never had a period where we wasn't booked.
Kyle Norman
Right.
Brian Casey
You know what I mean? I think that's probably why the music hasn't come as often as it should. Cause we've been on the road. You know what I mean? So at this point, we kind of looking at our career like. Like, would we be happy, like, just touring for the rest of our lives? No, because we creators and we really. And we really are musicians. So.
Wingo
Yeah.
Brian Casey
You know, that's why we. That's why we came with this album.
Kyle Norman
And I ain't gonna lie. I never respected it. No way. You can't just shut down a whole job. What's your complaint? What? All R B sound don't. All hip hop sound don't. All country. Like, what does that mean?
Brian Casey
That's why it's a genre, right?
Kyle Norman
Exactly. That's exactly what genre.
Brian Casey
Everything that fits gonna be inside that genre.
Wingo
So what is gonna be. What can we expect different from all original parts? Like, where did that title come from? And just for the record, y'all know, they not bumping this in no trans disco. All original parts.
DJ Envy
Yo, you stupid.
Wingo
I don't know who made that up.
Lauren LaRosa
I was like, what? And then I was like, oh.
Brian Casey
You.
Wingo
Know they gonna come for y'all. Like.
Charlamagne Tha God
No doubt. That's too funny. I know.
Brian Casey
Yo, it just signifies the fact that, you know, even.
Kyle Norman
Not even.
Brian Casey
Not even just our era, since groups have been a thing, right? They've all broken up, right? You know what I mean?
Kyle Norman
And Jackson's broken.
Brian Casey
Even though Jackson's broken, right? So, you know, us being the one group who's never broken up, we wanted to kind of capitalize on that. That's why it's called All Original Part. Love that.
Lauren LaRosa
Do y'all ever get worried that. Oh, go ahead.
Kyle Norman
No, no. Good.
Lauren LaRosa
Do you guys ever get worried that, like, trying to top the. How big your other songs are, like, nope, nope, nope.
Brian Casey
I mean, I guess, you know, there's a possibility that we might not ever have songs bigger than.
Wingo
It's a possible, you know, music like that ever again.
Brian Casey
Right? But I just think we don't let it stop the creative process. It's the same for us because it just might have.
Charlamagne Tha God
You see what I'm saying? Like, on the top, you never know.
Kyle Norman
And I mean, we was we. People understand, like, we 100 responsible for our music. So it's the same. Same chemistry, same guy, same. You know, same wheels on the car. You know what I'm saying? So we don't look at. We just go in there and do what we do.
Brandon Casey
And to add to what Brian is saying, I mean, we. This album. Like Brandon, Brian said the other day, we was at an interview. You can't look at this 11th album, all original parts. Like, you look at je hard heartbreak. You feel what I'm saying? Like, give yourself a chance to sit down, listen to the song, and just let it flow.
Wingo
Yeah.
Brandon Casey
You feel what I'm saying? Cause certain songs grow on you slow, and before you know it, you be like, yo, this my shit, right? You know what I'm saying? At first it wasn't, but now you know what I'm saying? So please don't come up to us talking about, this ain't gotta be.
Kyle Norman
It ain't supposed to be.
Brandon Casey
If you want to hear that, take your ass back.
Wingo
Stream that.
DJ Envy
Remember when y'all made some of those classic records? And did y'all know they were gonna be smashes as soon as you made it? Like when you made let's Get Married or you made Promise, did y'all know, like, oh, this is gonna be it?
Kyle Norman
We did kind of. I ain't gonna lie. Like, we did, you know? And you know, even when you look at songs like He Can't Love youe, Right? Every song we ever put out, we understood what it should be doing. Like, we understood the only reason to drop he came before let's Get Married Married was because he can't. Sounded like nothing on the radio at the time. We knew let's Get Married was gonna be the bomb. But we knew if you come in a song like this, it sounds like nothing. It's gonna make that role for let's Get Married even bigger and easy. You know what I'm saying?
DJ Envy
Let's Get Married is gonna be that legacy song that when y'all going, your kids going. Your kids, kids going.
Brian Casey
This man was mad that we dropped he can't love you first.
Charlamagne Tha God
Let's get mad. They just did something to me, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, what?
Brian Casey
He was mad at us and the record label, man. Y'all want to drop this off?
DJ Envy
Let's.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's why I never put my opinion On a record like that again, you know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, I knew He Can't Love you was super dope. It was a smash. But let's get married and I'm, you know, again, I'm one of them anxious guys. You know what I mean? It's the setup. It's about the setup.
DJ Envy
Never go broke. Cause unless get married.
Kyle Norman
All praises to the most high.
Lauren LaRosa
My brother, who were y'all doing those songs?
Brian Casey
How.
Lauren LaRosa
What was that time?
Kyle Norman
See, right?
Brian Casey
People understand.
Kyle Norman
Like, we was writing no song. We 18, 19 years old.
Brian Casey
Some of those. He was even 17.
Kyle Norman
Listen, so we talked about. One of the reason we went that route is because what preceded us was what Jody freaking. You are Kelly Freak me. That was. It was so prevalent that that was the thing we like, how do we.
Brian Casey
We don't want to do. We don't want to just fit in with.
Kyle Norman
How do we come through.
Brian Casey
Even though we wasn't saying that back then, it's more.
Wingo
So a lot of that was sex. You know what I mean? Y'all was on some grown mansion, and y'all. Y'all were young, like babies and promise. Brandi, you wrote that for Batavia, huh? No, not. She tapped somebody different. He said, I wrote it for me.
Brian Casey
Cause I've been feeling this question since she did that interview. Listen, we're a team song. We're a songwriting team. So no matter what my piece of the song may be about, that don't mean the whole song is about that. You know what I'm saying? Because I think when you're a songwriter, it's not always an exact story. Sometimes it's pieces of a story that you're turning into one story. So, yeah, there was a piece in there about latavia. Yeah, okay. Absolutely.
Kyle Norman
Yeah. But my part wasn't. No, but I love Tavia.
Brandon Casey
But I'm just saying my part was about that.
DJ Envy
You know what I was gonna ask. Do y'all have a problem? I feel like nowadays brothers don't beg for the vagina no more.
Brian Casey
They don't got to.
Kyle Norman
We never did.
Brian Casey
The girls don't make them.
Wingo
There you go.
Brian Casey
The girls don't make them.
Wingo
It's not even that they don't. It's that the girl. Don't make him know me.
Lauren LaRosa
He can't love you.
Brandon Casey
Foreplay.
DJ Envy
He was outside her house.
Brandon Casey
It was foreplay back then. You know, you had to lead up and just like, you know, it's gonna take about an hour and a half.
Brian Casey
You had to work for it. So you was like hell pressed to not let it go. So it's just a lot different now, man.
DJ Envy
So how does that affect it right now? Because now nobody's begging for nothing no more.
Brian Casey
Right? Right.
Charlamagne Tha God
I mean, get over here. See you next week.
Kyle Norman
I mean, with us, you know, we trying to, like, even on one of our last independent releases, we had a song called. I forgot what it was called, but we talked about it. Talked about how, you know, love ain't cool no more. Our goal is try to make it cool again.
DJ Envy
Now you a simp. If you love too much, you a.
Kyle Norman
Simple to me, that's.
Brian Casey
How can you loving somebody make you a simp crazy?
Kyle Norman
That thought is some simp shit, if you ask me. Like that don't make no sense to me. You know what I mean? So that's where we still coming from. We was coming from then, and we still coming from that same point of view, you know what I mean?
Brian Casey
I think that's, you know, it's too much homeboy love out there, man. It's all good to have your homeboy love. Necessary. Like you need your team, right? That's a necessary thing. But you don't want to put too much attention there and then. And your girl feeling some type of.
Brandon Casey
I mean, I ain't. Not to cut you off. I mean, but you sit in the club, I mean, VIP section full of. Full of girls. Like back in the day used to.
Brian Casey
Be, you see like everything. Cuz. Cuz like sometime I see them talking, they be like, man, I'mma kill these when I hit the streets. And then we used to be like, I'mma kill them hoes. When I.
Wingo
That's right, that's right.
Brian Casey
It's totally different. It's totally different.
Wingo
And then how y'all used to dress back in the day? Hey, they used to dress like them up.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying?
Wingo
Originally, when you think of like a R B group, you know, it's nice and, you know, used to dress like they about to shoot a dice game. Like some thug love type stuff. I used to love seeing them outfits in the videos.
DJ Envy
All right, now you got into a car accident. We broke your neck. Yeah, man, break that down. What happened? Happened.
Wingo
Not break that down. After you said, come on, Andy, break that down.
Charlamagne Tha God
Comedian.
Wingo
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Kyle Norman
Well, I was in two.
Brian Casey
Two car accidents inside of like nine months.
Wingo
Damn.
Brian Casey
The first one, I just broke my leg in two places. I had some wrist contusions and a knot on my head. And in the second one what happened in the car?
DJ Envy
Did you fall asleep or did I cut you off?
Brian Casey
I was coming down the street, right? You know how Atlanta. We got all those. You know, do a U turn to turn. So I'm coming this way. There's a car sitting right here. And I'm. I'm knowing he see me. I see him. And as I get this close, then he wants to turn. So even though I stopped my brakes as hard as I could, I still hit him. He was at fault, like I said. Just told my car up to me up. But the next one was really. That's what really messed me up. My got jack knife life. No t to call it T bone when it's somebody right in the middle of your car. I was sitting at a light, and on that accident. I'm sitting at a light, right? And I hear these shots ring out. And next thing you know, I guess the person who got hit, he lost control of his vehicle and he just swerved right into my vehicle.
Charlamagne Tha God
And on the driver's side. His side.
Brian Casey
I broke my neck.
Kyle Norman
Jesus.
Brian Casey
I had five broken ribs on this side, one on this side. I got a scalp laceration right here. A lot. It was a lot with that one.
Lauren LaRosa
I know it was pretty emotional for us on Tamara hall. When you talked about it, you got emotional for the rest of you guys. When y'all heard about the second car accident, like, what were you guys reactions and, like, kind of. What was that like for y'all?
Brandon Casey
I was. I was scared because I didn't know what to expect.
Brian Casey
Me too.
Brandon Casey
You know what I'm saying?
DJ Envy
And.
Brandon Casey
I'm gonna keep it real. I don't have my license, but don't worry about that.
Brian Casey
This man never had a licen.
Wingo
But.
Brandon Casey
But, I mean, you know, my wife was like, you know, once I heard it, I'm like, babe, I gotta get out of here. I'm damn near falling down the steps.
Brian Casey
Yeah.
Brandon Casey
To get in my Uber. And. But in my mind, I'm just praying. I'm like, lord, please don't come. I mean, it's such a cliche, like I say, to hear about artists. Plane accident, motorcycle accident, car wreck. So I'm like. And then it's like, this is the second one. You know? And so we got up in. When I got there. Cause I know the other guys were showing up. I seen him, and I was like, okay, okay. He's not. What?
Kyle Norman
It's still him.
Brandon Casey
He's still him. Because he wanted to take his nick brace off, right? He like, man, take this shit off. I Said, oh, well, my nigga good.
Kyle Norman
He cracked a couple jokes when I got this. So I'm like, well, he good. He was in pain, though, you know what I'm saying? And like, for me, you know, it was the worst day of my life. I ain't gonna lie to you. Because the way I heard the call, somebody told me. First they told me he got shot. Cause they heard the gunshots. They said he got shot, then he got hit. So, you know, you know, this is my guy. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you know what I mean? I can't talk about it either.
Brian Casey
But.
Charlamagne Tha God
For me, I mean, you know, again, I'mma always say this, man. A family that prays together stays together. You know what I mean? So I immediately just dropped on my knees, man, and sent one up, you know what I mean? God fixed this.
DJ Envy
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I'm saying? That's all. Leave it and put it in your hands.
Kyle Norman
Facts.
DJ Envy
The guy that got shot, did he make it or. Or.
Brian Casey
I don't know.
Wingo
Yeah. What kept you during your healing process? Like what?
Brian Casey
My girl, My kid?
Kyle Norman
Yeah.
Brian Casey
No.
Brandon Casey
Yep.
Brian Casey
I ain't going to lie. They took care of it. Absolutely everything. It was when I first got to the house.
Kyle Norman
It's all good, man. Been a hell of a year, man. All.
Brandon Casey
All of us.
DJ Envy
So serious, cuz. When you hear breaking neck, you just.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, real talk, bro. Yeah.
Kyle Norman
And like I said when I got there, you know, one thing about him, you know, he was trying to be in the best spirit still. It was hard, but he was trying, you know what I'm saying? So that got me too, just seeing how strong he really is, you know what I mean?
DJ Envy
Do you look at life differently as a group and just people? Because it has to change the way you look and the way you move. The way you move.
Brandon Casey
Absolutely.
DJ Envy
When you say goodbye to your girl and your wife and your kids, it has to change all of that for all of us. You just never know what them when it's that time. And thank God it wasn't, man.
Brandon Casey
Let me tell you something, man.
Brian Casey
We.
Brandon Casey
We so blessed to be here. You got to think like 15. We met each other at 15. You know, we had our little fights and gripes, but we understood the. The mission, and that's to stay together first. Well, keep God first. Stay together first again after that. And. And we love what we do, but we love each other.
Charlamagne Tha God
There you go.
Brandon Casey
And we knew our mission was, like you said, a lot a song back then, R B was a little soft. It was still good songs but still was kind of soft. And then you had something that was kind of freaky. And so we definitely came up with the concept of where we want to speak on the behalf of brothers like DJ Envy, Jagged Edge, who wear Timbones, who wear Jordans, you know what I'm saying? We know we just not throwing on the suit.
Charlamagne Tha God
Be more relatable, man, and be more.
Brandon Casey
Relatable about, hey, I'm hurt. You hurt me, baby. And we need to talk about, you know what I'm saying?
Kyle Norman
Or.
Brandon Casey
Or, you know, I promise to stay there with you, although, you know, you may be going, I want to learn what I need to do better. So we knew that the message was more powerful coming from something real instead of something that the label or the audience kind of expects a little deeper than that. You know, music has a message behind it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I'm super glad of the route we. We took, man. We never wanted to exclude anybody from our music or you know what I mean? Like, exclude this certain sale to this certain our block or this certain type of people, you know what I mean? One thing about we all have in common is we have loved somebody or wanted to love somebody. You know what I mean? And that's a universal language for us. You know what I mean?
Kyle Norman
Love.
Charlamagne Tha God
So that's what we're going to promote.
DJ Envy
And I always want to know how humble. Y'all always stay so humble, right? Been in this industry a long time, and every time I see y'all or you see your fans, you guys always smile, you always take pictures, you always shake hands. And you don't see that a lot. What put that into you? Cause like I said, I've known you guys a long time, and you guys treated me the same when I was on radio, just doing mixtapes, facts, whatever it was. And y'all don't know, but I used to tell people, y'all, my cousin.
Brian Casey
Casey.
Wingo
But you not black.
Lauren LaRosa
The family reunion, they be like, is he here to do the grass?
Brian Casey
Yeah, but I used to tell everybody.
DJ Envy
That was my cousin, for real.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's dope. That's dope.
Lauren LaRosa
Did anybody ever.
Brian Casey
Told us that? One other time he told us that.
Kyle Norman
I ain't going to lie. Somebody said to me, y. That y'all actually could because you are you from up top, too. You from up north, you from up. They're just saying, like, it ain't a lot of y'all up top like that. So y'all might be related somewhere down.
Brian Casey
Like, for real, not just at the.
Lauren LaRosa
Front door of the club. Talk about you don't know me.
Wingo
I'm Jack.
Kyle Norman
Look.
Wingo
Saying that.
Lauren LaRosa
That'S really crazy to admit out loud. Like, really crazy.
Charlamagne Tha God
But that's really, really important to us. Our fans, man.
Kyle Norman
We.
Charlamagne Tha God
We do recognize that. Like, that's. That's one of the main reasons we're still here as well. Fans.
Kyle Norman
And you know what else, too? The, like, that's part of the reason for us, for our image being what it is. Like, we felt like the acts that came before us was almost like this fairy tale, untouchable thing. We never wanted that. We just folk, regular niggas that same. You know what I'm saying? That's all we wanted to be.
Brian Casey
We want to look like.
Lauren LaRosa
So I know y'all chose the songs that you made because you said you wanted to cut through, but how did you choose who you worked with in the song? It's already four y'all, and y'all are all lit together. But y'all were very particular about who you featured on songs and who you worked with. How did y'all at 18, 19, choose the.
Kyle Norman
That?
Brian Casey
A lot of time was Jermaine who chose that. But when it wasn't, you know, even back then, in our early 20s teenage years, we. We sit down at a. At a table, like a boardroom, and we have ideas and we toss them around. And, you know, some don't make it, some do, but we very intentional about the things that we're doing. So we sit down, we. We discuss it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely.
Wingo
Y'all got a favorite song on the album?
Kyle Norman
Yeah, it changed every day to me.
Charlamagne Tha God
Mine is the single. I'm gonna keep it real. I'm sorry, I'm cut.
Brandon Casey
Y.
Wingo
Cheese guy, who love the singles, that's. That's going.
Brian Casey
I mean, he's like that on every album.
Brandon Casey
He call him Cheeseburger with cheese.
Charlamagne Tha God
And y'all already know we balladeers from. From the heart. You know what I mean? But so anytime we get a man, we get a bop. Come on, man.
Wingo
That's the one.
Charlamagne Tha God
That's it, man. Like, that's a bop, man.
Wingo
So what is your. What. What is the.
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, oh. Just might get it. Be careful what you wish for. Cause your chest might get it.
Brian Casey
Okay.
Kyle Norman
I think for me right now, it's forever love. Forever love for me right now. Okay.
Brian Casey
For me. I'mma go with. She said what she said.
DJ Envy
She said what she said?
Brian Casey
Yeah.
Brandon Casey
She said, somebody just text me and said they can't get past that.
Kyle Norman
She said what?
Brian Casey
She said, it's going to grab you. It's one of Them songs, like, if you ain't ready, you going to be crying. You don't know why.
Kyle Norman
You know, we had somebody crying yesterday when we playing.
Lauren LaRosa
What happened yesterday made you cry? Now is the time to talk about it. Are you guys going to have any, like, special guests on the tour?
Wingo
Hold on, wait, hold on, wait. What's your favorite song?
Brandon Casey
J. Let me tell you something. You turn up loud enough, I, I, I'm not loyal to. To what's favorite because, I mean, we was playing the album the other day.
Kyle Norman
He a song whore.
Brian Casey
He didn't switch, like, anything. I'm a song.
Brandon Casey
Wow.
Brian Casey
Wait.
Lauren LaRosa
He a song for now?
Wingo
I don't know. My bad. L. What you say?
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, special guest on the tour. Like, y'all bringing anybody out? Anybody popping out?
Kyle Norman
All us on this one.
Brian Casey
Yeah. But it's a couple things been offered to us. We just haven't necessarily accepted.
Lauren LaRosa
So we'll see Ultimate Evening with Jagged Ed.
Kyle Norman
Absolutely. That's the whole point of it. And we plan on doing that, you know, throughout the spring. We probably take out a bigger tour later, you know, mid summertime, something like that. But this is just for. To celebrate the 25 years of JD heartbreak and just us still being here. You know what I mean?
Brian Casey
And honestly, you know, this idea was kind of live. It was kind of Live Nation's idea, and we just kind of filled it and we thought, yeah, that would be dope. So, like you said, it's only a few. It's about nine dates on that tour.
Charlamagne Tha God
Right.
Brian Casey
And then when that's over, we probably out for the rest of the summer.
Lauren LaRosa
Now, y'all got some songs that people love that I don't know y'all gonna be able to do on the tour. Not like the Nasty girl, the traded off. And if I come, I just need to know, like, is that a thing? I love our music.
Charlamagne Tha God
Now, you took the words right out of my mouth, because that's the next thing I was going to say, like, we pay attention to our fans. I mean, we've had people hold up signs, like, with Remedy on it. We actually got cussed out one time overseas. A dude was shooting a bird at us in the audience shadow.
Kyle Norman
Shoot a bird in your middle finger. I know they say it like that up here.
Charlamagne Tha God
He was giving us a finger the entire show, so, of course, you know.
Brian Casey
We going to go out the entire show.
Charlamagne Tha God
I mean, well, you know, like, the whole show. I mean, we seen it, you know, verbatim. So we went out in the crowd and after the show, whatnot, and, and we seen dude approach and was like, hey, man, what's going on? Like, you know, we shooting us, giving us a finger the entire show. It was like, cuz y'all. Y'all do my favorite song. And it was for the rest of our lives.
Brian Casey
You know, he said, I know the way y'all was running through those numbers. You. Y'all wasn't gonna do my song. And we was like, what's your song? He was like, rest of us, we don't even do that song.
Charlamagne Tha God
But now we've added that in the show. We've got like a lot of. A bunch of new records in the show along with what we already.
Kyle Norman
But that's not what she was alluding to.
Brian Casey
And I know what she was alluding to.
Lauren LaRosa
I'm asking the question because I think you know people. I know for me, if I come out intimate night with you guys, I do want to hear Trade it all is my song. Nasty Girl is my song.
Brian Casey
Let me just say this too, right? Cause we just did. We just had this conversation last night. Last night, right?
Lauren LaRosa
With each other?
Brian Casey
No, with another. With a. With a radio station. Diddy, that's. You know, that's my brother. That's our brother. Like, we've had a good relationship with. I can't speak on nobody else's. You know, it ain't my business.
Kyle Norman
Right?
Brian Casey
But at the end of that, I could only deal with my interactions with the man.
Kyle Norman
And it wasn't like.
Brian Casey
And I'm talking about plenty of them. After being around him 30, 40 times, I never seen nothing that offended me. He's never offended me.
Kyle Norman
Right.
Brian Casey
He always made sure if we was in his space, we felt welcome. Absolutely right. And like I said, all the other things that other people, they can have that. I had an uncle went to jail for 11. Let me shout out my Uncle Larry. I had an uncle went to jail for 11 years. He was always still just my Uncle Larry. Then changed to the point where he's some different guy. Cause he did some. Some messed up stuff. He's still my Uncle Larry. And it's the same with Diddy to me at this point. You know, I don't know if he's innocent, if he's guilty, but that's my uncle brother.
Kyle Norman
And that's.
Brian Casey
That's all I can say about.
Brandon Casey
Pray for him, man. Pray for him.
Kyle Norman
Damn right.
DJ Envy
But I do want to ask Trade it all, were y'all surprised he called y'all and not home?
Brian Casey
Listen, I'm pissed the off because really, it's jazz.
Kyle Norman
We got more songs with him than they do. Right. We got, like, three, four songs with bro. You know what I'm saying?
DJ Envy
So it's like, that's why he said the chair leading in the Rah Rah.
Wingo
Team.
DJ Envy
The album definitely pick it up right now. And we appreciate you guys for. Let's get into a joint off the album. What y'all want to hear?
Brian Casey
Go with the singles video out on Friday.
Lauren LaRosa
When did tour start?
DJ Envy
March 2016. Well, ladies and gentlemen, there you have it. It is Jagged Edge. It's the Breakfast Club.
Brian Casey
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Brandon Casey
The Breakfast up.
Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Interview with Jagged Edge
Episode Details:
Overview: In this engaging episode of The Breakfast Club, the legendary R&B group Jagged Edge joins hosts DJ Envy and Charlamagne Tha God, alongside Lauren LaRosa, for an in-depth conversation. The discussion spans the group's formation, enduring success, industry relationships, personal challenges, and upcoming projects.
The episode kicks off with DJ Envy introducing Jagged Edge to the audience. Charlamagne Tha God welcomes the group, setting the stage for a comprehensive discussion about their journey and latest endeavors.
Jagged Edge members reflect on their unique ability to stay together, contrasting with the common trend of R&B groups breaking up.
The members attribute their tight bond to mutual respect, shared goals, and maturity.
Brian Casey details how the group formed in Atlanta, originally hailing from Connecticut. The initial partnership with Kyle Norman at a church picnic led to solidifying the group's lineup.
"We was in another group when we first got to Atlanta... Kyle came to us at the church picnic and said, listen, man, I got a group..."
The origin of the name "Jagged Edge" is explored, inspired by movie titles and a desire to stand out in the R&B landscape.
"It just signifies the fact that... we wanted to kind of capitalize on that."
Jagged Edge discusses their early relationship with Candy House, who became their first manager after liking their demo. They also mention Tiny, who was instrumental in their business dealings.
"Shout out to Tiny too, because she was just as instrumental..."
The conversation delves into their hit songs like "Let's Get Married," "Promise," and "He Can't Love You," sharing anecdotes about their creation and impact.
"It's an amazing feeling... we definitely didn't get it to be a one hit wonder."
A notable moment includes a viral proposal video featuring their song "Let's Get Married," highlighting the lasting influence of their music.
Jagged Edge shares experiences touring with major acts like Destiny's Child and confrontations involving management decisions.
"He went to Arista and Columbia... if you want them, you're gonna have to pay for a football team..."
"We felt like, whatever the issue is, it can't be that serious..."
The group discusses past tensions with 112, clarifying that any conflicts were never serious and stemmed from misunderstandings on broadcasts.
"It was never a real beef... they guys like brothers."
"...we could talk shit back really good."
Addressing the notion that R&B was declining, Jagged Edge emphasizes their continuous booking and dedication to the genre, citing their extensive touring as a key factor in their longevity.
"We never had a period where we wasn't booked."
Jagged Edge introduces their upcoming album, All Original Parts, Vol. 1, discussing its significance and the intention behind its title to represent their unbroken unity.
"It signifies the fact that... we wanted to capitalize on that."
"That's exactly what genre."
The group reflects on their creative process, ensuring their music remains authentic and resonates with their audience.
"Give yourself a chance to sit down, listen to the song, and just let it flow."
Brian Casey opens up about two serious car accidents, detailing the injuries and emotional toll they took on him and the group.
"I broke my neck. I had five broken ribs on this side..."
"I was scared because I didn't know what to expect."
The group discusses the support system within Jagged Edge, emphasizing family, faith, and mutual care.
"A family that prays together stays together."
The members share how their experiences have shaped their outlook on life, emphasizing the importance of staying together, keeping God first, and nurturing their relationships.
"We knew the mission was to stay together first. Well, keep God first..."
Jagged Edge praises their fans and discusses their humble approach to fame, always staying approachable and grounded despite their success.
"What put that into you? Cause like I said, I've known you guys a long time..."
They recount humorous anecdotes about fans mistaking them for relatives, highlighting their genuine connection with the audience.
"But I used to tell everybody. That was my cousin, for real."
Looking ahead, Jagged Edge outlines their tour plans celebrating 25 years of success, including the Ultimate Evening with Jagged Edge tour and possible larger tours in the summer.
"This is just for to celebrate the 25 years of JD heartbreak and just us still being here."
They also discuss incorporating fan-favorite songs into their setlist to enhance the concert experience.
"If I come out intimate night with you guys, I do want to hear Trade it all is my song, Nasty Girl is my song."
Notable Quotes:
"We've been together for 15 now we've been in this group."
"We need managers who are up for them... it's a lot."
"Everything that fits gonna be inside that genre."
"We knew the mission was to stay together first. Well, keep God first."
Conclusion: This episode of The Breakfast Club offers a deep dive into Jagged Edge's enduring presence in the R&B scene. From their humble beginnings and strategic decisions to personal hardships and unwavering commitment to their craft, the group provides valuable insights and heartfelt stories. Their humility, dedication to fans, and continuous evolution underscore their status as R&B stalwarts. Listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of what makes Jagged Edge a lasting force in music.