INTERVIEW: Lemuel Plummer Talks 'Love Cabin,' New Song, Ray J, Ye, Natalie Nunn, Chrisean & Tesehki + More

Summary

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The Breakfast Club: Interview with Lemuel Plummer

Podcast: The Breakfast Club (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: August 28, 2025
Episode: Interview: Lemuel Plummer Talks 'Love Cabin,' New Song, Ray J, Ye, Natalie Nunn, Chrisean & Tesehki + More
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guest: Lemuel Plummer (CEO of Zeus Network)

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Episode Overview

Lemuel Plummer, CEO of the Zeus Network, joins The Breakfast Club to discuss his journey from reality TV disruption to billion-dollar network, his first-ever rap single, upcoming projects like "Love Cabin," relationships with controversial personalities (Ray J, Natalie Nunn, Chrisean), drama and responsibility on his platforms, and his own personal life and philosophy. The tone is lively, candid, and at times humorously confrontational, true to The Breakfast Club’s signature energy.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Launching "Baddie Bad": Lemuel's First Song

Timestamps: 02:44–05:14

• Debut Single: Lemuel promotes his new single “Baddie Bad” (feat. Natalie Nunn) as a marketing initiative for the Baddies franchise.
  • “I got a new song out, man.” — Lemuel ([02:47])
  • “That was my first time rapping, man… I had a good time. That was, that was fun.” — Lemuel ([04:41], [04:45])
• Hosts roast Lemuel for venturing into music, joking about CEO rap ambitions.
  • “All that money you getting and you decide to rap?” — Charlamagne ([02:53])
  • “You can’t do everything.” — Charlamagne ([04:03])
• Use of music as marketing, not industry ambition.

2. Natalie Nunn, Ray J & Zeus Network Drama

Timestamps: 06:16–11:04

• Discussion about ongoing tension and a past altercation with Ray J, now cooling down.
  • “Ray and I are… figuring it out. We got something that we’re going to be talking about… publicly.” — Lemuel ([07:00])
  • “I felt like he was disparaging me quite a bit… It was a lot.” — Lemuel ([08:36])
• On public spats being mistaken for marketing.
  • “I honestly thought y’all were promoting something… Ray J rollouts be different, you know?” — Jess ([10:50])
• Willingness to box Ray J for the viewers, but stresses non-confrontational nature.

3. Investing in "Magazine Dreams" & The “Second Chance Network” Ethos

Timestamps: 11:12–14:19

• Lemuel invested in and co-distributed "Magazine Dreams," giving Jonathan Majors a platform post-Hollywood controversy.
  • “I thought that was a phenomenal, phenomenal film…” — Charlamagne ([11:19])
  • “We’ve kind of branded ourselves… as the Second Chance Network.” — Lemuel ([12:46])
• Spotlight on providing opportunities for those written off by Hollywood.

4. Expanding the Brand: Beyond Loud Reality to Awards & Serious Content

Timestamps: 14:21–16:07

• Impact Awards partnership with Jason Lee; moving Zeus towards more positive, culturally impactful projects.
  • “We’re expanding and trying to bring balance… new content to the platform.” — Lemuel ([14:36])
• Showcased billion-dollar network valuation and goals to diversify content.

5. “Love Cabin”: Taking on the Dating Competition Genre

Timestamps: 16:07–17:30

• New dating show "Love Cabin," Zeus’ spin vs. Temptation Island and Love Island.
  • “We think we’ll have similar success with Love Cabin that you’ve seen…” — Lemuel ([16:21])
• Hosts joke about chaotic reality show DNA permeating the series.
  • “Damn. It’s gonna be the same bitches that be fighting on there trying to find love…” — Jess ([17:05])

6. Baddies, Fights & Legalities (Clarissa Shields, Tesehki, Chrisean & Drama)

Timestamps: 17:31–26:41

• Talk of potential Baddies boxing matches and the insurance/legalities of cast fighting.
  • “In the exhibition world… there is some flexibility there…” — Lemuel ([19:01])
• On Chrisean and Tesehki’s sister fallout and the network’s influence.
  • “It was… disheartening… learning things in real time.” — Lemuel ([25:37])
• Maintaining relationships and confidentiality with controversial stars.

7. Zeus Network’s Reputation: Casting, Criticism, and Social Responsibility

Timestamps: 23:27–25:11; 27:26–29:26

• Addresses criticism over lack of African representation in Baddies Africa.
  • “We definitely casted some folks from Africa on the show… that’s false.” — Lemuel ([23:48])
• Talks about balancing provocative content with efforts to expand into positive territory and impact the culture.

8. Personal Life: Dating Shows, Relationships, and Boundaries

Timestamps: 36:34–48:59

• Lemuel opens up about dating cast members, especially Scottie and former partner Janisha.
  • “She and I are definitely… dating. And… developing our relationship.” — Lemuel ([36:57])
  • “Seven years [with Janisha]. And so… we were just at an impasse.” ([39:42])
• Addresses rumors and boundaries with cast (denies sleeping with Natalie Nunn, Jocelyn, etc.).
  • “There’s no universe where I would ever cross those lines with Natalie, Jocelyn, or any of those females.” — Lemuel ([49:01])
• Candid about relationship uncertainties and challenges with monogamy.
  • “I’m just trying to figure it out… life at life.” — Lemuel ([44:26])
  • “I’m finding me.” — Lemuel ([39:06], [44:10])
• Charlamagne shares his own marital growth as context.
  • “It’s not hard when you find your person.” — Charlamagne ([46:14])

9. Culture, Philanthropy & Platform Responsibility

Timestamps: 34:28–36:34

• Lemuel discusses contributions to the Black community and philanthropy outside of the spotlight.
  • “We definitely want to continue to give and donate… we’re sponsoring a lot of things… millions.” — Lemuel ([36:06])

10. Dealing with Fame, Rumors, and Social Media

Timestamps: 49:41–52:22

• Addresses rumors started by spurned former cast, acknowledges cost of doing business in reality TV.
  • “A lot of times they do lie or spread rumors about me when they don’t have the opportunity to be on the network… just part of the cost of doing business.” — Lemuel ([50:03], [50:49])

11. Accountability for Cast Remarks (e.g., Emmett Till comment)

Timestamps: 54:14–57:47

• On handling backlash from insensitive cast comments, encouraging learning and accountability.
  • “We definitely put out a statement… we made sure to educate our cast members on ways to… learn more about African American history…” — Lemuel ([54:17])

12. Future Plans & Network Expansion

Timestamps: 57:47–59:21

• Announcement of new projects, movies (e.g., “Sneaks”), and the search for a scripted series (“Our power, our empire, our insecure”).
• Commitment to moving Zeus beyond drama into broader storytelling.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I’m finding me.” — Lemuel Plummer, on relationships and life ([39:06], [44:10])
• “You can’t do everything.” — Charlamagne Tha God, on Lemuel’s rapping ([04:03])
• “We’ve kind of branded ourselves to some degree as, like, the Second Chance Network.” — Lemuel ([12:46])
• “Don’t start jumping all in front of the camera doing goofy ass shit now… after you get the billion-dollar valuation.” — Charlamagne Tha God ([18:37])
• “It’s not hard when you find your person.” — Charlamagne Tha God, about marriage ([46:14])
• “There’s no universe where I would ever cross those lines with Natalie, Jocelyn, or any of those, you know, females.” — Lemuel, denying rumors ([49:01])
• “A lot of times they do lie or spread rumors about me when they don’t have the opportunity to be on the network… just part of the cost of doing business.” — Lemuel ([50:03])

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Highlighted Segments & Timestamps

• Lemuel’s first rap single, “Baddie Bad”: [02:44–05:14]
• Ray J beef and Zeus drama explained: [06:16–11:04]
• “Magazine Dreams” & Network philosophy: [11:12–14:19]
• “Love Cabin” dating show details: [16:07–17:30]
• Chrisean & Tesehki, cast fights, Baddies drama: [17:31–26:41]
• African casting and cultural criticism: [23:27–25:11]
• Personal romance, workplace boundaries, monogamy talk: [36:34–48:59]
• Public figure challenges, rumors, fame: [49:41–52:22]
• Controversial remarks by cast, network accountability: [54:14–57:47]
• Upcoming projects and future ambitions: [57:47–59:21]

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Candid and comedic: The hosts keep the questions direct and sometimes playfully irreverent, roasting Lemuel about his new song and romantic entanglements.
• Transparent and reflective: Lemuel’s openness about personal life, leadership, and the challenges of running a reality TV empire.
• Ambitious and growth-focused: Vision for Zeus to expand beyond drama, with a willingness to course-correct when controversy arises.

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Final Thoughts

For fans of modern Black media, reality television, and culture, this interview delivers a behind-the-scenes look at the business strategies, controversies, and human side of running Zeus Network. Lemuel Plummer emerges as a pragmatic, ambitious, and sometimes self-deprecating leader, candid about both the highs and messiness of his platforms and personal life.

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Transcript

[Lamel Plummer]

This is an I heart podcast.

[Hunter]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt, a young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Emily Tish Sussman]

Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman and on she Pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers.

[Lamel Plummer]

I'm Gretchen Whitmer. Jody Sweetie, Monica Patton, Elaine Welteroth.

[Hunter]

Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them.

[Emily Tish Sussman]

Listen to these women and more on she Pivots now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was diagnosed with cancer on Friday.

[Lamel Plummer]

And cancer free the next Friday. No chemo, no radiation, none of that.

[Warren Campbell]

On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy winning producer, pastor and music executive to talk about the beats, the business and the legacy behind some of the biggest in gospel, R and B and hip hop professionally.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I started at Death Row Records.

[Warren Campbell]

From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture Raises us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lamel Plummer]

Hey, I'm Kurt Brown Oehler.

[Scotty Landis]

And I am Scotty Landis. And we host Bananas the podcast where we share the weirdest, funniest real news stories from all around the world and.

[Lamel Plummer]

Sometimes from our guests personal lives too.

[Scotty Landis]

Like when Whitney Cummings recently revealed her origin story on the show.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

There's no way I don't have rabies.

[Lamel Plummer]

This is probably just my why my personality is like this. I'm. I've been surviving rabies for the past 20 years. New episodes of Bananas drop every Tuesday. The Exactly Right network.

[Scotty Landis]

Listen to bananas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lamel Plummer]

Hold up. Every day I wake up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wake your ass up.

[Lamel Plummer]

The Breakfast Club Finished or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, Charlamagne. The God we are the Breakfast Club. Lola Rose is Here as well. And we got a special guest in the building from Zeus Network. Ladies and gentlemen, Lamel Plummer. Welcome, brother.

[Lamel Plummer]

Thank you, man.

[DJ Envy]

How you feeling?

[Lamel Plummer]

I'm feeling good. How about you? I'm a little. I'm a little under the weather, but I'm hanging in there.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

I'm be coming in this city.

[Lamel Plummer]

I'm trying to take off this cough drive.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They told me you here to promote music. I know that ain't true.

[Lamel Plummer]

I got a new song out, man, so.

[Noah De Boraso]

You right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's start. Let's play. I want to hear it right now.

[DJ Envy]

Daddy, Daddy must be bored.

[Lamel Plummer]

He said must be boring.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where is it? All that money you getting and you decide to rap?

[Lamel Plummer]

I know, man. Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where's the record?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, let's go. Let's play it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We got the record. You got it?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, it's on Spotify and itunes.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Told y' all it was out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's it called?

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Yeah, it's called Baddy Dad.

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, no, no, no. It's called Baddy Back.

[DJ Envy]

What is it called?

[Lamel Plummer]

The song is called Baddy Bad.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Baddie Bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, it's on Apple.

[Lamel Plummer]

It's on Apple, Spotify. It's everywhere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Baddie Bad.

[DJ Envy]

Pull it up right now.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Baddie Bad. It's a promoting mother. Look. He a marketing jeans. This said.

[Lamel Plummer]

Look.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm a hottest show featuring Lamel Plummer. It says Natalie Nun, though.

[Lamel Plummer]

Natalie got me on the song. This is my first song. No, come on, come on. Let's hear loud.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Let's hear loud.

[DJ Envy]

Let's hear.

[Lamel Plummer]

You gonna pull it out. You can pull it out.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, let's hear it the right way.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I'm not about to rap.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Start it from the beginning, please.

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, well, my verse is towards the end.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm gonna listen to the whole.

[Lamel Plummer]

2 minutes, 8 seconds. Let's go, actually.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Oh, that's cool. That's cool. It ain't long.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know why you doing this.

[Lamel Plummer]

I know. I don't know why either, man. They he's on board.

[DJ Envy]

I want to get that rich track and just start rapping for no reason.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

All this money you get, I might as well do a song, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't do everything.

[Lamel Plummer]

Hey, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I haven't even heard the song yet.

[Lamel Plummer]

Let's prove him wrong. Here we go.

[DJ Envy]

All right, let's listen.

[Hunter]

You as bad as.

[Lamel Plummer]

Big money, best dress call me CEO I be cutting all the chains yes. Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. If you know you baddies wanna fold right now I'm in Bali with the.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Baddies this a Promotion for Baddies. Cut your TV on. That was the last slide.

[Lamel Plummer]

That was my first time rapping, man. He's on board, you know, make too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Much money to be doing that.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

You sound like Christian Combs.

[Lamel Plummer]

You do.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

You look like you could be diddy. Older son, too. Anybody tell you that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are you proud of yourself?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I am, man. You know, I had a good time. That was. That was fun.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I liked everything about the song except for y'.

[Lamel Plummer]

All. Oh, gosh.

[DJ Envy]

That's the whole song.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I like the beat, and I like the concept of it, because I think that's a dope record to flip. But if you do it, you should have got, like, Webby on it. Like, actually put Webby on the record.

[Lamel Plummer]

You know, it wasn't my call. That was Natalie's call. Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Were you rapping before?

[Lamel Plummer]

No, she. She asked me to be on the song, so, you know, I told her I'm not a rapper, you know, but for you, I would.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

You came in here rapping, you switched out the glasses.

[Lamel Plummer]

Now you say, I know.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

I didn't see you.

[Lamel Plummer]

I'm sorry. I knew y' all was playing the song, so. But, yeah, no, I told her.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Felt embarrassed when the song was playing, didn't you?

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I was actually. We've been playing it all weekend. Did you rap before?

[DJ Envy]

Were you a rapper before as a.

[Lamel Plummer]

Kid and was like, no, I've never been a rapper. Never.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

What made you say yeah to him?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're still not a rapper now. Lamel.

[Lamel Plummer]

Stop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Still not one now. I mean, what made you say yes.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Ever when she said, yo, I got this track I want you to be on?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I told her, you know, Baddies is a huge hit for us, so we always try to find unique ways to market the brand. And I know me being on there, you know, probably would have gave it a little bit more, you know, exposure and earned media. So we got a little bit in our world.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Natalie Dunn and Webby would have been a good combination.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? With all the Baddies girls in the videos.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, that's true. That might be true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Lamel Plummer]

I don't know. I tried it, but thanks for the feedback, man. I appreciate it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about Ray J? Did you think about putting Ray J. Did you ever think about it?

[Lamel Plummer]

I might. You know, I might.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Oh, God, he might do it. You never know.

[Lamel Plummer]

Ray J. I might put Ray J on it. You know, I might.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

All right, so Love Cat.

[Lamel Plummer]

Love Cabin.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Please let us know what this is about. Man.

[Lamel Plummer]

What is wrong with preview? What is it why I come in.

[DJ Envy]

Like I had an option.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I hate these.

[Lamel Plummer]

But I keep coming back. I thought.

[Noah De Boraso]

Wait, made up.

[Lamel Plummer]

I'm sorry.

[Noah De Boraso]

Y' all made up?

[Lamel Plummer]

You know him and who?

[Noah De Boraso]

Ray J. Cuz I know it was a fight, right? Yeah. Cuz he said he might get on the record. I'm like, oh, y' all made up?

[Lamel Plummer]

No, you know, we. We. We figuring it out. We got something that we're going to be talking about Ray J and I publicly, so. Oh.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Oh, okay.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, we were looking at discussing our issues publicly.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

On your platform or on Tronix?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, on Zeus. On Zeus.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

On Zeus.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I mean, not like that, but, you know, Ray and I are.

[DJ Envy]

So y' all spoke after the little spat you had outside that time?

[Lamel Plummer]

Initially, yeah. Cause I didn't know what was going on, and he just kind of. He was serious. I was joking. And it just turned into a real situation to some degree. I mean, you know, I understand the marketing and, you know, of it all, but I think he got a little too. Too excited and, you know, it just became a thing. And, you know, when he. When he. When he reached out and kind of, you know, swung at me, I kind of reacted, you know, because I'm not really a confrontational person. So more. More of a talker, you know, let's. Let's figure it out.

[DJ Envy]

You in the boxing. Would you go in the ring with Ray J?

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Full.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. I'll buy. I'll. I'll box Ray J. I'm an athlete. I mean, you know, I'm not. Respectfully, I'm not afraid of any. Any man. But, you know, I think. I think I. I think that'd be an interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let them swing at you, though. Like, you were. You roll like the President.

[Lamel Plummer]

Like, how did they.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did Ray J even get a.

[Lamel Plummer]

Know. Ray and I have had a. A great friendship for many years. So, you know, at the time when he was promoting his platform, he was kind of. I felt like he was disparaging me quite a bit, and, you know, just.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's an understatement.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, you know, I mean, I saw him on the Breakfast Club talking, you know, about me and Zeus, and it was. It was. You know, it was a lot.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

But did you reach out to him after that?

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I never reached out to him when that happened, when he. When you guys had interviewed him. But I didn't. I really didn't understand the initial, you.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Know, like, where does shit come from?

[DJ Envy]

Beef or Pontiac?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, the beef or the issues. And, you know, a lot of this stuff for rumors are made up. So I just. I just. You know, what am I gonna say? I'm not gonna respond, you know, create more, you know.

[DJ Envy]

Did you think it was jealous? You think it was just Ray J being Ray J?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I think. I think Ray J was trying to tap into the streaming space, the svod, you know, streaming space. And he's been wanting to launch his network, and I think, you know, he made it very clear he was going to come after Zeus, and I think he just went a completely different direction that I wouldn't have imagined him to go in. And, you know, he came after me personally. And, yeah, it just became a thing and. But, yeah, I don't. I don't know. It was. It was. At first, it was. It was very disheartening and disappointing, but I. You know, again, I responded, I think, to one of his social media posts, and then I kind of left it alone, you know? But, you know, he kept going, and it just became a thing. And then when I saw him, I'm like, hey, what's up, man? He was just like, nah, man. What's up? I'm like, what's up? Yeah. And my security, you know, they. They. Hey, they. I don't think in their right mind, they would have thought that Ray J and I would get into any type of public, you know, they knew Ray.

[DJ Envy]

J, so they let him get a little closer than most people would.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, of course. And. And we. And then he got out of the car, and he kind of, like, got in my face, and I'm smiling. I'm like, you all right? He's like, nah, man. And I'm like, what's going on? And then I think my security told him to back up, and then he got in his. My security guard's face, and then he kind of swung at me. And then I'm like, hey, are you serious? And then it just became a. I.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Thought y' all both was joking. I honestly thought that y' all were promoting something.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe we were.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Cause these rollouts be different, Ray J. Rollouts be different, you know? So I thought that y' all were actually both.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Like, playing around.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm glad y' all got over it. I'm glad that y' all sitting down and y' all squashing it.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, we're gonna figure it out. We're gonna. What happens.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do want to give you props for something, though. I loved that you stepped in and got behind magazine dreams.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought that was a phenomenal, phenomenal film, man. And if Jonathan hadn't gotten his little Hollywood kerfuffle, he'd have won an Oscar for that.

[Lamel Plummer]

I agree. I agree. It was a phenomenal film. And Jonathan had reached out to me and they needed additional funding for the film to be released and theatrically and just, you know, in the VOD space. And so I didn't. I didn't really know too much about the film. And then when I watched it, I was like, oh, we gotta get behind this film. And I understood that they kind of, you know, they didn't have a lot of folks supporting him in the film. So we just kind of took that chance and invested quite a bit in the. In the. In the money, I mean, in the. In the film. And we co distributed the film with Briarcliff and ultimately ended up working out exclusive distribution rights on Zeus. So it's currently on Zeus. It did really well theatrically.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you got your ROI back.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, for sure. Definitely, Definitely, definitely. But more importantly, I was happy that Jonathan was able to get his film out there. I thought his performance was incredible and a lot of. A lot of interesting components to the film that I felt dealt with a lot of real life issues that people go through.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mental health issues. Yeah, absolutely.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Man. He killed that movie.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I think so. We've kind of branded ourselves to some degree as, like, the Second Chance Network. So, you know, we've given quite a few folks that I feel, you know, Hollywood and traditional media has kind of undervalued or has kind of canceled to some degree. We've given them that opportunity to, you know, tell their stories and I believe, generate more income and revenue than any other network or studio that, you know, that they're. That they've currently worked with.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Should people give you a second chance at rapping or should they cancel?

[Lamel Plummer]

You know, hey, look, give me a second chance, man. I think you should give me a second chance.

[Noah De Boraso]

Not a second chance story, but I like you doing the partnership with Jason Lee, too. Just providing a platform for the Impact Awards. I think that's fire, too.

[Lamel Plummer]

I think you just sleep on what he's doing. Thank you. Yeah, that was a great, you know, shout out to Jason Lee. I truly appreciate him reaching out and wanting to partner with Zeus to distribute that award. That's our first award show. And it's, you know, we're recognizing and honoring a lot of folks in our culture, and it's a great ceremony. And, you know, it's. It's, you know, I think we've done about three of them now, and it's, it's only increased in production value and talent and, you know, it's. It's. It's an incredible experience. So shout out to Jason. And this year's Impact Awards was. Did really well for Zeus and look forward to continuing to work with Jason on that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a great project. So is that something like. I know Zeus has a. I don't want to say brand, but I guess a certain brand people associate Zeus with. So when you do stuff like the Magazine Dreams and the Hollywood Unlocked Awards, are you trying to go in, I guess, more positive route?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, we're just expanding. We're expanding and trying to bring balance and new content to the platform. You know, I know we've been very loud and provocative, you know, throughout the years with our content. And, you know, I've always felt like it would be important to diversify our content up. And we're doing that and we're. We, you know, we finally are doing well enough to really spend some serious money on these projects. And, yeah, I think we're doing it with films and some of these shows. So, yeah, the network is doing really well. I think the first time I came here in 2021, I announced that Zeus, we were. I kind of projected, and it actually has materialized and manifested into being valued at over a billion dollars at this point. And so thank you, man. Thank you so much. So I was really excited that, you know, the valuation of the company has reached that huge milestone. So. But again, that's why we're able to really invest in all these other projects. And, you know, I think. I think we're truly competing at a higher level than most of the linear networks and most of the traditional networks. So it's a pretty interesting and humbling and rewarding experience to see this and to. To live it and dream it and. Yeah, it's beautiful, man.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

So. So you're here for Love Cabin.

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, am I here for Love Cabin?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I promise you, that's what they told us. They got a single.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

They did come in here and leave with that. But he also here because he got the new series Love Cabin, right?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. You know, Love Cabin, you know, there. There once was Temptation island or still is Temptation island and Love Island. But we're kind of taking our shot at, you know, producing a series around finding love and in this unique format. So, you know, we think. We think we'll have similar success with Love Cabin that you've seen with Love island and some of the other Love Love dating shows, but is really exciting and we're gonna be announcing our host and narrator, which I think you guys will find really interesting on that show. And yes, it's a loud. It's a loud show, but different for us.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Damn. It's gonna be the same bitches that be fighting on there trying to find.

[Lamel Plummer]

Love, I don't think. I don't know if they're gonna be fighting like that, but, you know, some. You know, it's like that.

[DJ Envy]

So it'll be a couple squabbles.

[Lamel Plummer]

A couple squabbles. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. But we're really excited about Love. Love Cabin. We're going to be shooting it in Lake Tahoe and in the woods.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

So, you know, we want somebody fight for real trying to find love in no damn woods.

[Lamel Plummer]

Hey, I don't know. I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

And what happened with Clarissa Shields? Did y' all make her an offer to be on one of these shows?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, you know, we, we. I think somebody on our team might have reached out to Tasiki and, and. And I'm sorry, her name was. Her name again? Clarissa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Clarissa Shields.

[Lamel Plummer]

Clarissa Shields. Yeah. So I think they reached out to her to. To try to see if we could do a exhibition between her and Taziki. And I don't know, Tzatziki needed a little bit more time to train and prep for it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But she'll get knocked up.

[Lamel Plummer]

You think so? Absolutely. I think that would be a good fight. Tasiki is a shield.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris Shields is a professional boxer. You don't play boxing lamel.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I don't. I don't play rap, but. But yeah, I think that would be a box. You box? I. You know, I don't box, but.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You box. No, no, I thought you said that earlier when you said.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, no, I said. I said I would box. Ray J. I would box.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Ray J.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I said I'm an athlete at heart, but I would. I would box. If folks wanted to see Ray J and I in the ring, I would be interested. You know, I think that would be cool for the viewers. I think a lot of folks would subscribe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You have a billion dollar valuation. Don't start jumping all in front of the camera doing goofy ass shit. Now we're jumping on rap records. Like, why? Like, don't start doing that now after you get the billion dollar valuation. You've been good thus far.

[Lamel Plummer]

That's true, that's true. So, you know, we have to be very strategic, but.

[DJ Envy]

Cause I know back to Clarissa, I think she said that she couldn't do It. Because they wouldn't sign off. That if she.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That she won't get jobs.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. That if she gets a chick, they can't sue her.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Yeah.

[Lamel Plummer]

But I think in the exhibition world in space, I think there is some flexibility there. So I think the contracts. We just have to work out whatever potential liabilities. But I think it would be a very entertaining fight. I hear you. You say Tasiki's not a fighter, but.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

He did not say Tasiki.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I mean, not a professional fighter. I'm sorry. You go in the ring with a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Real boxer, you getting knocked out. I'm telling you, I don't care how much you think you can fight on the street.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You get in the ring with a real boxer, you going to sleep.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, that's true.

[Noah De Boraso]

Did you see the video of diamond body training with.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. Diamond. I think she's prepping for the reunion. The last reunion, she got her. Her tooth knocked out by Tasiki. And that's crazy, you know. No, well, it wasn't. She can't sue us. I mean, maybe she could sue to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See. Insurance is the Zeus network.

[DJ Envy]

That's what I'm saying.

[Lamel Plummer]

Listen. Yes, the insurance is. Is a thing, but, yeah, these reunions, the girls, the ladies are. I mean, it's intense. You know, they're going at it, but pretty. Pretty aggressively. But we. We do our best to manage the situations, but in that situ. Like, they both asked to square up, so we. We give him a couple. A couple seconds, you know? You know, just to kind of go ahead. Are you sure? And so she wanted to square up with Tasiki, and it just happened. But I think she. Her and Natalie are kind of beefed. I don't know what's up with you and Natalie, because last time we were trying to come.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

This ain't my interview, nigga.

[Lamel Plummer]

This season. No, I'm just. I'm just trying to. You know, I'm trying to understand. Cause I asked Natalie what was going on. She had no idea. She said she's cool. Like, I don't know what the issue is between you and that.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

No, I didn't like how Natalie I was hosting. This was two years ago. I didn't even have this job yet. Right. She came up here. I don't even know what she was promoting, but she came up here and she said that I chose to not show up because she was on the schedule. Bitch, I ain't work here then. You know what I mean? So the fact that she said that I said. And then she went. She had, like a host in that night. It was like maybe about nine or 10 people in wherever she was at. And she was like screaming and shouting it on the mic like that bitch Jess La. You know, that bitch Jess Lawrence ain't even show up to work because I came up there. She was scared. And I don't like all that clowness. I don't do that. You know what I mean? I didn't have the job yet. And then I don't think they would even schedule us on the same day when I was guest co hosting, you know? So I'm like, nah, she don't deserve to sit with me. When she. When you had interviewed before.

[Lamel Plummer]

And I would love to. I would love for you to make a cameo on Baddies. I'm presenting the offer now, if you're open to her. I would love for her to make a cameo. And we got. We got a real. We got a real bag for you, you know, Listen, no, I would love for her and Nat to work out.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

And y' all had a real bag for me.

[Lamel Plummer]

It doesn't have to be you guys fighting. It could just be you guys talking.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

About, she ain't gonna touch me. So that's the thing. But I know y' all got the real bags. Cause you blessed me with a great bag when I did the show, Jocelyn's cabaret reunion. So I already know you ain't playing about the money. It ain't about the money. It's just, like I said, morally, you don't play with me. I don't do no clown shit, you know? And then the shit at Tycoon at the weekend. Remember we in Houston. She got mad cause you was like, yo, let's take a picture. You offered me a shot. And she was trying to get up. Get up out the chair. She couldn't get about the chair quick enough. You know, it was the thing. Scotty walked through my section. I was like, no, go around. Don't walk through my shit. And it was. It was all of that. It was. It was. It was a lot.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

How much we talking?

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That was my next question.

[Lamel Plummer]

That was my next question. I don't know what you tell me.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, look, if he throwing numbers.

[Lamel Plummer]

Come on, Jazz, you tell me. Whatever the number is, you tell me. I'll make it work.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

But what. But what are you looking for? For what? For me just for you guys to.

[Lamel Plummer]

Sit down and discuss whatever altercation. I mean, whatever issues you have.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

I. I don't know. She ain't know. But that was. That was that. That's why I said no.

[Lamel Plummer]

She don't deserve to come up my.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Job and sit and talk to me on the mic. Hey, had to lying about it. You know what I mean? I ain't like that, so.

[Lamel Plummer]

Well, I think it will be a good look, and I think the fans will love to see it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You a messy nigga.

[Lamel Plummer]

I know. I think it'd be great. I'd be great.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

We'll figure it out. We'll talk about it off air.

[Lamel Plummer]

Save us. Yep.

[Noah De Boraso]

Listen, I was gonna say, speaking of Zeus mess.

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, gosh.

[Noah De Boraso]

So Baddies, Africa, y' all were getting a lot of criticism because people felt like there weren't any African girls casted.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, we casted a few African one. I think she was one. One of our cast members was from South Africa, and then I think the other one was from Nigeria.

[Noah De Boraso]

I think people felt like there should have been more.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They were saying, you bought them from America, too.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, no, no, no, no. We. We had an open. Well, you know, we casting. The shows are always a thing with baddies, so, you know, we opened it up for online submissions and auditions, and we try to cast at least a few folks and bring some reoccurring cast members back. So, you know, I felt like it was. I felt like it was a pretty good look. But, yeah, we definitely cast. We definitely casted some folks from Africa on the show, and I think they did their big one. I don't know. I don't know where that rumor came from. That's false.

[Noah De Boraso]

And what about Zeus network and Chrisean? Where y' all at now? It was good. She was supposed to have the show with her son.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. You know, Chrisean is. I love Chrisean. She's great. She's got a lot going on, and sometimes it's hard to get her to focus on, you know, specific things, but she's a hard worker. She loves to stay busy. And, you know, I think we. We. The relationship is solid with Chrisean, and, you know, she. She was on Baddies. She had her own show with her and Blueface. And so, you know, it's just really finding that right project or, you know, I want to see her back on Baddies. I think she'd be great, you know, to come back and if. If she were to come back and. And participate. So, yeah, solid.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

See her make up with her sister. Like, if y' all could facilitate that, you know, I really. I'm all for them making up, man. Cause, like, that got real crazy. It got real messy. And was it ever a part of you that Was like, maybe it was the wrong move bringing Tzeki. Or maybe it was the wrong move. Like, how did you feel when you seen them fall out as sisters?

[Lamel Plummer]

It was pretty. It was. It was a bit disheartening, like, you know, to see both sisters kind of at odds. You know what I mean? They were very close, but I don't. I don't really, you know, we were. We were kind of discovering and learning things in real time. And so, you know, hearing about that on the show, it was kind of like, whoa, wow. You know what I mean? So if, you know, if they had gone through some things in the past prior to us shooting, and so it kind of seemed like a lot of things were, you know, happening. Yeah. And unraveling. Yeah. You know, so we were just capturing those moments and. Yeah. Just. It is what it is. But, you know, I think they're. I think they're developing a better relationship right now. I don't know exactly where they are, but, you know, I know it's always been a little up and down with them, but seems like. It seems like they're. They're in a good place right now. I think, you know, they. They posted that they were going to be doing some bookings together.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Oh.

[Lamel Plummer]

And I think they had some FaceTime call on. On social media. So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How much did you get paid? 5,500.

[Lamel Plummer]

Say it again?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

5,500.

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, I have no idea what they get paid. You know, that. That's not a part of.

[DJ Envy]

That's a pusha T line.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you hear that line?

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You juice network, you hear me lie to increase.

[Lamel Plummer]

Clear.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get these 5500. A100 Houston out of here.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. Now, did you take that as a dis. You know, there's so many as he fix his arms and. Right. So many. So many little, you know, lines and bars out there referencing Zeus or Baddies or Jocelyn and all these shows. I can't keep up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you want to disembark.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That's my girl, though.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, not at all. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks, man.

[DJ Envy]

You watch all the shows on your network?

[Lamel Plummer]

I can't watch every episode of every show, but I do try to watch as many episodes that we release, definitely the premiere episodes, the earlier ones, but we have a whole cruise control now. Yeah, I mean, we have a whole team. We're pumping out shows and content, you know, at a. At a rapid pace is very accelerated, you know, and I think that's why we're kind of outperforming. A lot of traditional networks turnaround time. Our release, Our release on these episodes and shows are pretty fast. Very fast, you know.

[DJ Envy]

What about you and Yeezy? You. You and ye doing something?

[Noah De Boraso]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lamel Plummer]

We talked about some. Some. Some projects he had reached out and wanted to do. Originally, we talked about doing Sunday. Sunday service on Zeus, and then we had some, Some other discussions about things that he wanted to do. And, you know, we're exploring that stuff. So, you know, conversations. Say it again.

[DJ Envy]

Just in conversations.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. Yes, definitely. Definitely. You know, he. He's, you know, he's. He's an icon. He's, you know, extremely, extremely smart. And, you know, he understands this space. And so, you know, we're trying to figure out what makes sense as far as a Zeus collaboration between, you know, his company and Zeus, but put them on baddies.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He got titties.

[Lamel Plummer]

That's crazy. I can't participate in this part.

[DJ Envy]

What?

[Gretchen Whitmer]

No, he is crazy. Has there ever been a shortage? Well, is there a show that you won't greenlit? Something that you won't do? Something that you be like, nah, that's a little too left. I ain't, you know, we already got girls fighting and all of that, but have you. Is it something that you won't do?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, you know, we. Yeah, I mean.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

No, it's not. Let me just say.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, no, I think, I think. I think we. We try not to get involved in politics, so that's not really our thing, you know, but, you know, we. It is important to, you know, have a voice in that space, but we try to stay away from those type of things. And I know this guy doesn't, you know, he's pretty loud in that area, but we, yeah, we're not really picking up a lot of content in that space, but, you know, we. There, we've. We've been experimenting with a lot of different formats and shows. Some things just don't work for Zeus because, you know, you're asking people to pay to watch your content. And so, you know, sometimes it just. It has to really, really move the needle. And it has to be loud enough for them to stop and say, okay, I gotta watch this.

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[Lamel Plummer]

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[Lamel Plummer]

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[Lamel Plummer]

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[Lamel Plummer]

I think the industry is changing significantly and you're seeing changes happening every day with how people are consuming content in different ways of how they're subscribing or not when it comes to things that they want to watch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I truly am happy for your success because regardless of what the content is or whether people agree with it or not, it's still hard to do what you have done to build a network from the ground up the way that you have and now have it at a billion dollar evaluation. That's impressive. Thank you. But do you ever feel like with the type of content that you have, I have to do so much more for the black community?

[Lamel Plummer]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And thank you. I appreciate that. You know, yeah, we, you know, we, we are, we are trying, you know, it's hard because, you know, it's just finding those right. Right. Shows, you know, we only have so much bandwidth where, you know, we're able to create high quality, premium content. So, you know, we, we don't want to just put anything out there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But not even just with shows like philanthropy.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, we, we definitely, you know, are, you know, donating to many charities. We're a part of different, you know, philanthropic organizations that, you know, we, you know, give to these different, you know, charities and foundations. Yeah, we do it every year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm gonna give you a list.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, no, please, please. You know, we definitely want to support. We definitely want to continue to give and donate, and that's a big part of Zeus. I mean, we may not show it as much as we, you know, promote other things, but we're definitely giving. We're sponsoring a lot of things. We're donating. We do it all year round. Not just one specific time, but all year. And I mean millions. So, you know, it's really important for us to do that.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Please tell me. What. Look, are you really with Scottie?

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, God.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

You know, I'm an ex. Look, I get all the tea from my little sister. She is a Zeus fan. Fan.

[Lamel Plummer]

Fan.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

We, you know, we watch. Of course. You know, I watch y' all since Cabaret. But she watched all the shows, right? And she's like, he coming up there. Ask him, is he really with my girl? Cause, you know, my sister loves Scottie. You really were. You know, they know, you know.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I would say I appreciate you asking me that question. Scottie is absolutely amazing. She's beautiful. She and I are definitely, you know, dating. And, you know, we're figuring out, you know, we're developing our relationship.

[DJ Envy]

He got a show with his. That's not on tv, right?

[Lamel Plummer]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

She is one of the baddies, though. Yeah, she is. Yeah. She is one of the best.

[Lamel Plummer]

So. No, but real talk, she's. She's great. And we're developing our relationship, and we're. We're seeing where it takes us, but.

[DJ Envy]

That sounds like an HR problem right there.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, no, no. She's great. But. She's great. She's great. And hr.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the fuck?

[Lamel Plummer]

No, she. She's amazing. And, you know, I know. I know, folks, and I. I want to be careful because. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of things I haven't addressed about my personal life, because I do like to keep it private.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Yeah.

[Lamel Plummer]

But I do want to say how.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Let me be putting videos and shit out there, girl. Twerking.

[Lamel Plummer]

Well, that's, you know, that's.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That's throwing money.

[Lamel Plummer]

That's. That's. That's marketing. We're a loud, provocative platform. You know, we. We generate a lot of views. That helps with our subscribers, the CEO. And that's okay. You know? It's okay. You know, I ain't saying nothing wrong.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

With it, but I'm saying when I see a video of you and your sweet throwing a bread and Scottie, you know, listen, Scotty Bag.

[Lamel Plummer]

Scottie is sexy. She's sexy.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Very much so.

[Lamel Plummer]

And, you know, sometimes folks like to see her doing her thing, you know, and she's. She's fun. She likes to have A lot of fun. She likes to. You know, she's a sweetheart. She likes to have fun. She's great. But I do want to say, could.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You be with one woman?

[Lamel Plummer]

You know, I've said I'm. You know, I'm at this place where I'm. I'm still.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, shut the fuck up. I'm answering a goddamn question.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, listen, I'm being honest. I am.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just say no, man.

[Lamel Plummer]

It's okay. I am. I am. And I've said it before. I am finding me. I'm finding me. And I think that's important. I do. I do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I never heard that one.

[Lamel Plummer]

I'm finding me. And I think.

[Noah De Boraso]

I don't tune into everything baddie, but I remember when it was the son of girl claims, and then the whole thing. You were in a relationship with. Her name is Janisha.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah.

[Noah De Boraso]

And she was one of the producers.

[Lamel Plummer]

On the show, so. Janisha. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Noah De Boraso]

I'm just trying. Okay, so.

[Lamel Plummer]

So Janisha. Janisha and I, we were in a relationship for seven years. We were in a very traditional girlfriend boyfriend relationship for seven years. Janisha is absolutely beautiful inside and out, and I love her. She's great. We're friends. And, you know, she's doing her thing. I think she's dating. I don't know. But she still works for Zeus. She's hosting. She's working behind the scenes. She's not only, like, you know, a host, but she produces. She's handling and overseeing our social media department. So she's. She's doing incredible things. I love her family, that we're great. You know, seven years. And so I think, you know, for me, it was just a situation where we were just at an impasse. And, you know, and I know there's a lot of rumors out there.

[DJ Envy]

They think it'd be a politician.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, it could be a politician. No, there's. There's a.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

She's fine as hell.

[Lamel Plummer]

She's pretty. So I will say, you know, Janisha is great. And again, we have a great friendship, a great relationship, and she's doing her thing, and I'm proud of her. But I do see a lot of rumors out there about Scottie and Janisha. You know, again, I will just say, oh, he's still looking at.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

He's looking at both.

[Noah De Boraso]

The issue is, is that people have conversations about there being overlap. And that's why I was confused. Cause I was like, I thought you came out and said you weren't dealing with any of the baddies. And then we Were listening.

[Lamel Plummer]

Listen, here's the thing. Let me. Let me say this. Let me say this. First of all. First of all, can I. Can I just say this? Janisha is absolutely beautiful. Scotty is absolutely beautiful. They're both beautiful women. They're both beautiful women. And, you know, I hate to see people coming at either one of them. You know, it's not fair. It's not okay. Because if anything is, it is on me. You know what I mean? It's on me. You know, I make every decision as it is. It pertains to my personal life. And, you know, and, you know, sometimes people don't always agree on where you are in life. And so for me, when I was saying I was finding myself, I'm not really saying that as an excuse to do whatever. To do, just whatever. It was really, you know, like, I. Honestly, at that time, you know, again, seven years with Janisha, we had our ups and downs, but, you know, just like any relationship, and it was a situation where, you know, I was finding myself when it came to my spirituality, when it came to, you know, relationships. And really what that meant, because it was like, you know, monogamy is one thing. Polyamory, polygamy, you know, all these thoughts are coming to your brain. I don't. You know, I've never been married. I've never been engaged. I've never known Janice and I that.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Y' all were married.

[Lamel Plummer]

Janisha and I have never. And that's not to downplay our relationship. We just, you know, we. We were very much in love. And, you know, we still love each other and have love for each other, but we're just not together anymore. And I am dating, you know, Scotty. But like I said, it is a situation where, you know, I was finding me and my, like I said, spirit, spiritually, just emotionally, mentally. And when you don't always agree, you do get to a place where you're at an impasse and you can agree to disagree respectfully, and you got to deal with the hard truths in reality. And so I think having those discussions with Janisha privately, I think even though it was hurtful and I know, you know, disappointing, probably for her, you know, I still had to live my life and, you know, do what I felt I wanted to do. And so that was it. And it was nothing more, nothing less, but I think they're both beautiful queens. I think they are amazing. You know, I have nothing but love for Scottie. I have nothing but love for Janisha. I love both of them. They're great people. But I just hate to see people tearing them apart and commenting and all these rumors and all this stuff. It's just. It's just. It's just, it just. Again, for me, look, I, I. Life is short, and like I said, I've never been married, never been engaged, never had children, and I've just been kind of, you know, at a place where I'm just like, all right, what, what am I doing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, you be with one woman.

[Lamel Plummer]

Lamelle, that's a great question. I, I, I, I don't. I don't know yet. I don't know. How old are you?

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Please.

[Lamel Plummer]

How do I look?

[Gretchen Whitmer]

You look young.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not even joking. Late 20s.

[Lamel Plummer]

Thank you, man.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Looks like, you know, almost.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I'm in my 30s. But I, I just, I feel like, like I said, I, I'm just, I'm just trying to figure it out, man. I. You know, life. Life at life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Women asking you.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I know.

[Noah De Boraso]

They're just trying to find the right words.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you be with one?

[Lamel Plummer]

Can I. Can I. Can I be? I am, I'm being. I am being careful because it is sensitive. But I will say, I don't know. I don't. You know, we're. We're in a new. A new era, you know, 20, 25. And, you know, I have my theories, my thoughts about life.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

I don't.

[Lamel Plummer]

You know, when I think about marriage, you know, it does scare me. My parents were married for over 30 years, and it was very hard to see them get a divorce. And that kind of impacted my life, you know, tremendously. I love both of my parents. My dad is my hero. My mom is my heart. And so for me to see them, you know, separate and divorce and, you know, all of our siblings, we were very close. It was very hard, and it was very discouraging. And so for me, it was a situation where, you know, I just did. After that, it was kind of like, you know what? Like, I don't want to be a cheater in a, In a marriage. I don't want to be labeled that. You know what I mean? And so that's kind of like, you know, I just want to get it all out. Yo, it's not even getting it all out. I just think it's very hard for men to be, you know, in these, In a monogam, like, being monogamous. You know what I mean? I do. I think if you had to be real, like, what is. It just gets to a point where it's like, what is cheating? Is it just physical? Is it mental and physical? Is it emotional? And so I just, you know, thinking about these different things, I just. It's just hard for me to try to, you know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not hard when you find your person. Yeah, I'll say that. When you find your one. When you find your person, it's not as hard as you think it is.

[Lamel Plummer]

So you. You're married, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, sir.

[Lamel Plummer]

And you've been married for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've been married for 10. Yeah, 12 years now.

[Lamel Plummer]

Were you married prior or this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it's my first marriage.

[Lamel Plummer]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I've been with you. Same with you.

[Lamel Plummer]

So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I mean, to your point, I was the same person. I definitely wasn't, you know, always faithful. But, you know, when I did make that commitment to my wife and say, hey, this is what I want to do for my wife and my family and, and myself, and be a faithful man, it's. It's not hard. It's not hard when you find your person.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

No.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. And I. And I appreciate that, you know, that, that, that, you know, feedback and just also, you know, you're, you know, hearing that from you as a man, you know, it's hard for men to, I don't know, I don't want to say to be loyal or to just be with one woman, but I don't know, I just. I hate the idea of hurting someone to that degree. If I'm in. I'm making an oath under God and, you know, my family, her family, it's just. It just feels like, you know, I don't want to say a lot of pressure, but it just. I just. I don't know.

[DJ Envy]

You're not ready for it.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. Yeah. Just like I said, I'm finding me, man. And like I said.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are you being honest like this with these women?

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, yeah, 100%. You know, I've. I've been honest with everybody. I mean, they may not like it, they may not want to hear it, but I think they appreciate the honesty of it all, the transparency. Can you be cool with it? No, not at all. I. I mean, that honesty, I wouldn't support that because, you know, I. I think that you spend too much money on them. Yeah, I wouldn't say I spend too much money. I just think that, yeah, I feel like for me, where I'm at, yeah, I do want to make sure I'm supporting the person that I'm dating and that I'm with, and I don't think it's always reciprocated of what they could do for me. And what I can do for them, and that's okay. You know, I think I do go above and beyond, you know, the scope of maybe what's required in a traditional relationship.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That's what that means.

[Lamel Plummer]

I. I am not a trick. I am not. Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not tricking. I'm not a trick. I'm not a pimp. I'm not any of those things. I've never been those.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Spending no money on somebody that you're dealing with, though.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I think.

[DJ Envy]

Or somebody that you love.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That's what he's saying.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, I think. I think.

[Noah De Boraso]

But he planned to have a cast, though, and he said he can't be with one woman.

[Lamel Plummer]

Not a cast.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Well, look, this is my last question about that. Did you and Natalie sleep together? I seen something. Oh, my God. I saw it on. I saw something. Y' all had, like, a little feud or whatever. I don't know if it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why you always sampling the product?

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, my gosh. First and foremost, there's no universe where I would ever cross those lines with Natalie, Jocelyn, or any of any of those, you know, females. Like, not like that. But I'm just saying they're beautiful women, you know, they're married, you know, and I respect their husbands very much. They respect me, and I just. It's never happened. Not even a slight, you know, anything. It's just never happened. But I would never cross those boundaries in those lines, in that regard. So, you know. But. But no, Natalie's great, you know, and she's. But, no, we've never slept together.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Did you know some of the former. Former cast members of Baddies, they be having it out for you, I guess, once they get put off the show or they can't come back, they start making up stuff or they start saying things that they heard and all of that. Yeah, I saw that. How do you feel about that?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, it's. It's. I don't. I don't get it. You know, it's like, you know, you've done a lot.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

You done bailed some bitches out of jail. You done did some things.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, you know, for me, I've recog that the folks that we're working with are not probably the typical folks that most traditional networks would be dealing with. And so, you know, they're very outspoken. A lot of times they do lie or spread rumors about me when they don't have the opportunity to be on the network or maybe we don't cast them in. I don't get it. I don't. I don't know why they do that. I don't know why they make up these lies or let me sleeping with all these people or he's doing this and he's doing that. You know, I just.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

They'd be upset. They said you got your favorites.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I feel like, you know, I feel like we've been a tremendous blessing to a lot of people. A lot of women, you know, that would have never gotten these opportunities. I mean, when I see it, it's crazy. It's like we've casted these girls on these shows. It's hundreds of people at this point. They've made tremendous amounts of money from Zeus and income, and they've done well. And to see them getting and receiving brand deals or bookings and making money in other ways, their following has increased. I mean, that's amazing. And we've been a blessing to all these folks. You know, I don't. I don't understand why they do certain things. Some of them, you know, some of them are really cool, but, you know, some of them just clout, chase the gaslight. They troll. It's just a part of the cost of doing business, I guess, to some degree. And so I just, you know, I can't respond to every rumor. Everything that that's out there, you know, it's not worth it. And it's. It's a situation where, you know, me responding will give it more life. Yeah. So I just. I choose to kind of. I'll respond when I really am, like, annoyed by something. Like, really, really annoyed. And it's just so ridiculous or egregious. But typically, I just. I. I try not to respond to, you know, those. Those type of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's only gonna get worse. You got a billion dollar evaluation. The more you grow, the more jewelry they see, the more they see you putting on more shows. It's only gonna get worse. You do know.

[Lamel Plummer]

You think so?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. Yes. That's a scary. It's scary. It's a scary, scary thought. I hope not, you know? Yeah. I hope it gets better now. Worse, so.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Well, don't rap.

[Lamel Plummer]

Don't rap.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't rap.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, I won't rap, but don't rap, man.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Nah, it's catchy. I mean, it's marketing. He markets. I bet you any amount of money is gonna be the new theme song for baddies, ain't it?

[Lamel Plummer]

Well, it actually already is the theme song for baddies.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That's what it was. It ain't about no album. It ain't for.

[Lamel Plummer]

No, no, I'm not trying to rap like that, man. I' I'm not. I'm not a rapper.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you like Evil Sean Stockman, you know, from Boy.

[Lamel Plummer]

Oh, my God. Not evil. Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, that is hilarious.

[Lamel Plummer]

That is hilarious. I've heard that before. I've heard, I've heard, I've heard Sean. No, not the evil one. I'm sorry. Right, right. Sean Stocking. I heard Giveon.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Oh, yes. He looked like he could be a.

[Lamel Plummer]

Little bit of damn related. Who? They said I look like you going to get texted. Would they be telling me, no, I'm going to my Instagram. I posted it. I posted it, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nobody ever said you look like Damson.

[Lamel Plummer]

They said I look like Damson.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You look like Damson.

[DJ Envy]

Charlamagne look like Morris Chestnut.

[Lamel Plummer]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You look like Damson Anderson. No, we don't.

[Lamel Plummer]

This is what I posted. They said I looked like Morris Gib.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, that's like G. No way.

[Lamel Plummer]

They said Christian.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Christian. Com.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not even in the.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Do not look like damn dog.

[Lamel Plummer]

Is that Michael?

[DJ Envy]

They just being.

[Lamel Plummer]

I don't know. They give. Yeah. So those are the folks.

[Noah De Boraso]

Summer. Is she come. Is she done Baddies.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

You.

[Noah De Boraso]

You find her? What's happening? And following the Emmett Till comment.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, we were, you know, that was, you know, the Emmett Till comment that was. That was very, very unfortunate. And, you know, we. We definitely put out a statement and we were, we were dealing with it. I mean, we didn't really do anything during production because I don't think we really heard it. You know, I wasn't there, so I didn't really hear it. But by the time the show and the episodes aired, the production was over. So it wasn't like we could have fired her or let her go for that comment, but we definitely dealt with it. We encouraged her to address it head on. And, you know, I think she's been dealing with it. I know she's felt the impact from it. We felt it and we listened to our customers and our consumers and, you know, it was just a very unfortunate situation. And, you know, we made sure to, you know, educate our cast members on ways to, you know, you know, learn more about African American history and just everything we've gone through. Because sometimes, you know, these young girls and these, you know, they don't understand what we've been through, you know, civil rights and slavery and just all sorts of things that we've. We've gone through as a people. So it is important that they get educated on the history of African American culture and the things that we've gone through.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you say you felt it, what did that mean when you said it? I'm sure y' all get backlash all the time for everything. Why did you say you felt this.

[Noah De Boraso]

Way, made a statement?

[Lamel Plummer]

You know, it's scary. You know, it's scary when you see the fans publicly, you know, you know, not only concerned, but just, you know, disappointed. And so, you know, we, we, you know, we as a network, we, yes, we're, we're a little bit more of a loose, free network, but, you know, those type of things are unacceptable. You know what I mean? And she had to make sure she held herself accountable, and so did we. And so, you know, it was, it was just. Is scary because you want to make sure, you know, that the fans and the customers are respected and that they, you know, they're paying for your service. So, you know, you just, you just don't want to disappoint them. And I think that's the scary thing. And, you know, we try our best to respond immediately when we see or hear things like that because there's a lot of things that happen on these shows that, you know, are loud and salacious, you know, conflict driven and could be offensive to our community. So, you know, we do our best to address these things.

[Noah De Boraso]

So she's coming back or.

[Lamel Plummer]

We don't know. We don't know. We haven't cast it for the next season yet, so we'll see. You know, she is a, you know, a very loud character cast member on Baddies, and, you know, she, she sparks a lot of conversations, but if she's given another opportunity, I think she really needs to take it serious this time because this, this would be it. But, but I don't know. We haven't, we haven't really discussed casting for the next season. Currently, you know, Baddies Africa is still airing, so, you know, we'll see what.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Happens with Love Cabin. Already out now. It's already out.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yep. No, no, no. Love Cabin, we're actually shooting in a couple weeks and so we'll, we'll, we'll be, I think we'll be releasing that very, very quickly after we, we wrap production. And so we're excited about Love Cabin and all the other projects, you know, on, on the slate, so it's gonna be great, man. We have some more movies coming out that will be releasing. I don't know if you guys seen an animated film called Sneaks. We'll be releasing that on, On Zeus. Great. Tons of celebrity Appearances on that film. It's a great, great movie and some other, other films that we're looking to acquire or license or invest in. And we are looking for our power. We're looking for our empire, our insecure. We are, we're looking for our next scripted series. We, that's like something that we're, you know, we're, we're actively and aggressively looking for something like that. So I don't know if you guys have any show ideas, let me know. Yeah, you know, we're always looking for new, new content and want to feed our customers as much, you know, new original series as possible.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Well, congratulations on expanding. Just, you know, it's not just reality, it's not just drama. It's not just fighting you. You want to see more for. Well, you are doing more. And I appreciate that.

[Lamel Plummer]

That's what's up. Thank you.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Appreciate that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're an interesting individual.

[Lamel Plummer]

Thank you, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I always enjoy talking to you.

[Lamel Plummer]

Thank you so much. And can I, can I shout out a few people, just if y' all okay with that? Yeah. Well, I just want to say I do appreciate because there are folks that really work hard behind the scenes and there's a lot of folks that, you know, we've been employing like hundreds of people at thousands at this point of folks. But our presidents, you know, Jason Tolbert and L.J. and Shane Norman, you know, I love you guys and I appreciate all the hard work because without them, you know, Zeus wouldn't be what it is as well.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

That's my guy. Lj. My guy.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah, lj, My brother. And he just had a baby, so I'm, I'm really happy for him.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Congratulations, lj.

[Lamel Plummer]

Congrats. And Jason, who's our other president. Shane. So, and just everybody else at the Zeus Network, we appreciate you guys. We love you. And yeah, we're excited about the future.

[DJ Envy]

All right. Lamel Plummer.

[Lamel Plummer]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. You want to rap before you go?

[Lamel Plummer]

Yeah. You ready? Go. B O S. No, I'm not going to Breakfast Club. Hold up. Every day I wake up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club.

[Lamel Plummer]

Do you all finish? So y' all done?

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[Lamel Plummer]

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[Lamel Plummer]

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[Gretchen Whitmer]

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[Scotty Landis]

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