INTERVIEW: Pacman Jones Talks Politely Raw, Gucci Mane Beef, NFL Drug Policy, Trump, Recent Arrest + More

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – INTERVIEW: Pacman Jones Talks Politely Raw, Gucci Mane Beef, NFL Drug Policy, Trump, Recent Arrest + More

Episode Details:

• Title: INTERVIEW: Pacman Jones Talks Politely Raw, Gucci Mane Beef, NFL Drug Policy, Trump, Recent Arrest + More
• Release Date: March 18, 2025
• Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
• Guest: Pacman Jones

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1. Introduction and Welcome [02:49 – 03:12]

The episode kicks off with DJ Envy and Charlamagne Tha God warmly welcoming Pacman Jones back to The Breakfast Club. The hosts acknowledge Pacman's previous appearances and set the stage for an in-depth conversation.

• DJ Envy: “Ladies and gentlemen, Pac Man Jones.”
• Charlamagne Tha God: “You definitely been here a couple times.”

2. Gucci Mane Beef and Atlanta Respect [03:32 – 05:03]

Pacman delves into his longstanding beef with Gucci Mane, highlighting the mutual respect within their Atlanta community despite their rivalry.

• Pacman Jones: “Gucci have never made more money than me. Not per year. Like any year that he's been born, that I've been born, he haven't made more money than me.” [04:19]
• Pacman Jones: “I'm from the west side of Atlanta. Gucci, bro. It ain't no questions coming in hot.” [04:32]

3. Introduction to Politely Raw [06:36 – 07:13]

Pacman introduces his new venture, Politely Raw, explaining it as a platform where he speaks candidly yet respectfully.

• Pacman Jones: “I came up with the Politely Raw. Like, all right, I could be like, not an. But I could just tell it in my way and not cut it.” [06:39]
• Pacman Jones: “I'm politely raw. I'm a little nicer than y'all.” [06:46]

4. NFL Drug Policy and Drug Testing [09:52 – 15:56]

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the NFL's drug policies, particularly the ease of beating drug tests and Pacman's critique of the system.

• Charlamagne Tha God: “I agree sports leagues should stop testing for weed.” [10:53]
• Pacman Jones: “They give us all these Percocets... I can't even smoke weed.” [11:01]
• Pacman Jones: “I figured out the cups. That's the first. That was the smartest thing I did.” [21:21]
• Pacman Jones: “I'm undefeated, bro.” [24:34]
• Pacman Jones: “They don't even know how to work with each other.” [05:03]

Pacman shares his methods for bypassing urine tests, emphasizing the simplicity and widespread nature of cheating within the league.

5. Mental Health and Addiction [16:11 – 22:54]

Pacman opens up about his struggles with mental health, addiction, and the stigma within his community. He discusses his annual sabbaticals for mental reset and his advocacy for mental health awareness.

• Pacman Jones: “I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi...” [Referencing his fictional podcast advertisement interlude]
• Pacman Jones: “I deal with post traumatic stress. Fucked up. For real.” [16:11]
• Pacman Jones: “Our community do not talk about mental health.” [19:00]
• Charlamagne Tha God: “Everybody gotta tell their story.” [19:18]

6. Views on Trump and Political Stances [26:09 – 35:43]

The conversation shifts to Pacman's political views, particularly his support for Donald Trump. He discusses his agreement with Trump's business policies and criticizes mainstream media for bias.

• Pacman Jones: “I am a Trump supporter. I agree with Trump.” [26:09]
• Pacman Jones: “I understand that part, cuz I know how to get Clipblade.” [33:15]
• Charlamagne Tha God: “I don’t believe in none of them but you know.” [27:05]
• Pacman Jones: “I think it's going to get back up.” [27:05]
• Pacman Jones: “Somehow media twists it to sell papers.” [33:14]

7. Recent Arrest and Legal Issues [39:32 – 43:49]

Pacman recounts his recent arrest following an altercation after a fight, detailing the incident and his interactions with law enforcement.

• Pacman Jones: “Some racist ass Mexicans.” [40:40]
• Pacman Jones: “I was standing at the bar and I backed up like this...” [40:46]
• Pacman Jones: “I hit the police officer...” [41:24]
• Pacman Jones: “They locked me up for some bullshit.” [42:12]

8. Family, Marriage, and Parenthood [49:31 – 56:58]

Pacman discusses his marriage since 2014, the evolution of his relationship, and his pride in his children's achievements.

• Pacman Jones: “She stuck with me through. She brought...” [49:35]
• Pacman Jones: “We got Zanaya, my oldest daughter. She just ran in the SEC championship...” [52:39]
• Charlamagne Tha God: “I'm all for black nepotism.” [55:02]
• Pacman Jones: “I got 10 friends. I don't really do friends.” [43:58]

9. Reflections on Wealth and Happiness [45:00 – 47:23]

Pacman reflects on the relationship between wealth and personal happiness, emphasizing that financial success does not equate to mental well-being.

• Pacman Jones: “At the end of the day, like, how much money do you need to be okay?” [45:00]
• Pacman Jones: “You can have whatever you want, but, like, mentally, you got to find your spot.” [47:17]
• Pacman Jones: “I feel more content and happy with where I'm at now.” [45:02]

10. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts [56:58 – 57:05]

The interview concludes with final thoughts on Black nepotism and the importance of cultural influence within the community.

• Charlamagne Tha God: “That's the one thing I hate about the media nowadays...”
• Pacman Jones: “Shout out to BET Online. We need a bag.”

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Pacman Jones: “Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun.” [01:56]
• Pacman Jones: “I'm smart as. That's what people really don't know about me.” [10:53]
• Pacman Jones: “I treat business like that too. Like, I'm not doing certain things to make... just to make some money.” [47:21]
• Pacman Jones: “At the end of the day, you ain't gonna die with the money.” [45:00]
• Pacman Jones: “Our community do not talk about mental health.” [19:00]

Insights and Conclusions

• NFL Drug Policies: Pacman's candid discussion reveals significant flaws in the NFL's drug testing protocols, highlighting how prevalent cheating is and the minimal consequences faced by players.

• Mental Health Advocacy: Pacman emphasizes the critical need for mental health awareness within the Black community, advocating for open conversations and the elimination of stigma.

• Political Views: His support for Trump centers around business and economic policies, but he critiques media bias and the corruption he perceives in mainstream reporting.

• Personal Growth and Family: Pacman's journey from a troubled past to a more stable present underscores the impact of supportive relationships and personal introspection on achieving mental peace.

• Wealth vs. Happiness: The discussion reiterates that financial success does not inherently bring happiness, advocating for a balanced approach to life where mental well-being takes precedence over monetary gains.

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Transcript

[Damien Hirst]

Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here?

[Pac Man Jones]

Ow.

[DJ Envy]

Go slower.

[Damien Hirst]

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[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Mary I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficulty and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bob Pippman]

Hi, I'm Bob Pippman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like Chairman and CEO of Health Beauty Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.

[Pac Man Jones]

Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun.

[Bob Pippman]

And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing.

[Pac Man Jones]

I figured out the formula. I just have to work hard, then that's magic.

[Bob Pippman]

Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and Magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm Mark Seale.

[Bob Pippman]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Pac Man Jones]

This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli. The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.

[Bob Pippman]

This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seals best selling book of the same title, Leave the Gun, Take The Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire, and many others.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Bob Pippman]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun. Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Pac Man Jones]

Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, indeed. He's back.

[DJ Envy]

Ladies and gentlemen, Pac Man Jones.

[Pac Man Jones]

Welcome back. Hey, I should just be on this goddamn show, bro. Like, I'm sorry for my words, but like, I'm, I've been here a couple times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You definitely been here a couple times.

[Pac Man Jones]

For keeping it real.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every time a camera go on your face, Pac man, or a microphone goes in front of you, you say something.

[Pac Man Jones]

You do the same.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is true.

[Pac Man Jones]

So I took, I, I, I watch you and now. Oh, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think I've ever just straight up said a person though.

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, like, you know, you might have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I don't think so.

[DJ Envy]

Let me think.

[Pac Man Jones]

Ain't nothing wrong with no, ain't nothing wrong with it. But, you know, I'm from the, Bro, I'm from the west side of Atlanta. Gucci, bro. It ain't no questions coming in hot.

[Just hilarious]

What is the problem? Coming on like, what is the problem though with it?

[Pac Man Jones]

Baby, I ain't got no problem, you know what I'm saying? But I just, I sit and hold a lot of in my pocket and then I decide when should I let it out? You know what I mean? So I was at a up point in my like life, like I was really like, like outside when he was. I don't want to my career up and do all that, but like, I, Gucci have never made more money than me. Not per year. Like any year that he's been born, that I've been born, he haven't made more money than me.

[Just hilarious]

Is he out here saying that he has or he's.

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, he said he want to his career up and end up like Pac Man Jones but on my side, you know what I'm saying? I ain't talking about 40 mews and egg either at that time. 10.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How long. That's how long ago was that lyric.

[Pac Man Jones]

Though, man, I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When was that? Oh, that's what I'm saying.

[Pac Man Jones]

I don't even remember when it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why you bring.

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, how did the beef start? Was the beef. That lyric really, like, I just like. Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Both from Atlanta. So usually people from Atlanta, when an.

[Pac Man Jones]

Artist comes out of Atlanta, being from Brooklyn and being from Queens, There we go. You know what I'm saying? We respect what y'all got going on over there, but, like, we ain't fucking with that on our side of town. You know what I mean? So.

[Just hilarious]

But, like, you haven't seen him. Y'all haven't had a conversation. Y'all haven't.

[Pac Man Jones]

Actually, I got a call the other day about a conversation, and I ain't gonna air everything out right now, but decent conversation.

[DJ Envy]

But you had a conversation, decent, and.

[Just hilarious]

You still up here talking about, Fuck Gucci, man.

[Pac Man Jones]

You said. Did you hear what I just told you?

[Just hilarious]

I did.

[Pac Man Jones]

All right, all right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You also said you don't with the whole Decatur, though.

[Just hilarious]

God damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's one thing to have beef with one person, but the whole Decatur, the whole.

[Pac Man Jones]

It's just that side of town, bro. Like, you just have to, like, you like, on the west side, like, we all kind of, like, stick together, work with each other. That side over there, stingy as. They don't even know how to work with each other. You got a couple of them. Like, I don't like. Only probably two people. Three people. I with indicator. That's Big D, Ike and Jody. You're right. That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jody who? Jody Bree.

[Pac Man Jones]

Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who?

[Pac Man Jones]

Jody rapper. Oh, okay, 160 Jody. But besides that. Nah, man, I don't with nothing on the east side.

[DJ Envy]

Pac, man, you 40 years old.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

41, bro.

[Pac Man Jones]

Let me be young, bro. I don't feel 40, bro. Fuck you talking about? Look at me, bro. Hold on.

[Just hilarious]

Look at me.

[Pac Man Jones]

Do I motherfucking look faulty? No, you don't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't look fy.

[Just hilarious]

No, you don't.

[Pac Man Jones]

Now, this bag might look faulty. Cause this motherfucker heavy right here. You don't look faulty either. I'm outside like, my life is fucking amazing.

[Just hilarious]

And you here for Politely Raw. But you. Ain't nothing polite about you.

[Pac Man Jones]

You don't think so? You don't think that was polite, sir?

[Just hilarious]

No. Explain what that is, though. How did you. What is Politely Raw? What is it?

[Pac Man Jones]

So I came up with the Politely Raw. Like, all right, I could be like, not an. But I could just tell it in my way and not cut it. Speaking of Polite Raw. Shout out to my team@betonline ag. But, like, my show, Pacman Jones show. Polite Raw. It's just me, like, what y'all are. I don't know if y'all politely raw. But y'all are raw. I'm politely raw. I'm a little nicer than y'all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think so. Did you hear how you started the first 31st, bro?

[Pac Man Jones]

You should not even tell.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right, bro.

[Pac Man Jones]

You are all the way wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right? You're right, you're right. I'm trying to be a better person, though. I'm trying to be, but like, more.

[Pac Man Jones]

You got to do your job, bro. Like, I always tell people, like, when I get locked up, I know people going to talk about me, cuz that's their job to do. Now I get to talking about whether I like their music, whether I like the way they playing or they not playing good. How this play, look, what they did over here in pll. How was the hockey game? Like? And I just, I. I try to kind of keep it a little different than everybody else. Like, I had a good chance to like, Pat McAfee is one of my best friends. His shit is way different. Like. And if you watch Pack show, you can tell, like, all right, he just got his own little. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I fuck with it.

[DJ Envy]

His own lane now.

[Pac Man Jones]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Especially on espn.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, yeah. But like. And I try to take a little bit of what he done put in me or show me I should say. And like, doing it my own way. And like, I'm 90% right about 90% of the shit that I say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think Stephen A. Smith was right? Since he has a job to do, Was he right to say what he said about Bronny James and how did you feel about LeBron confronting him about it?

[Pac Man Jones]

Love, bro. Ain't got to confront him. That's his fucking child. What are we talking about, bro? Like, Stephen A. Got a job to do too. The only thing I would critique what Stephen A. Is, all right, you can talk about the play and how you do it, but don't get into the family shit. Like, there's no way I would have did now if I would've said, all right, Bernie suck. That's cool, but I don't need to say. And your dad, I don't know what he's doing. Got your fucking. You can't do that. Cause then that goes. You ain't really critiquing the play. You critiquing us as a father. Father. And that's a problem. I would've smacked the fuck out of Steven Smith if he would've said that about my son. Like, that's just me. GP all right, cool. What is. Let's go and take this ride. But I'm finished. I'm time I seen him. It would have been premeditated. Like I was telling my cousin Earl, I'm like, it wasn't really about what he said about br. It's all the other that he said to connect everything. You get what I'm saying? The article wasn't even about brain. The article was about what he said about Brian to bring it to Brandy. So that's what I think about. I think critiquing this play is not wrong. The way you critique the play is. I think he could have handled that a little better. Like, why do you even need to throw all the other in? It just say he sucked. Like. But when you start throwing different things in there, then it become personal. Like. Like it's a personal vendetta. Steven ain't know what he was doing, though.

[DJ Envy]

When you talk about you politely raw, you know, some. Some people gonna be mad at the things that you say, too.

[Pac Man Jones]

Now, I don't give a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have you ever confronted somebody about what they said about you, Pac man?

[Pac Man Jones]

Nah. Cause I don't give a. And I. I respect people like, you do your opinion. Like, yeah, I do certain. Certain things. Like, your opinion. What you say about me is your opinion, bro. I've been locked up a hundred times. You don't say some about me. I ain't never confronted you about apac. I mean, hey, bro, you know, you could have said this a little. I. I was. I was innocent on that. Did you know that? Like, but that's a part of the game, bro, so. But I come from a place where if you ain't been talked about, you ain't you. Irrelevant anyway. I don't mind nobody talking about me. And I like talking, though. I'm probably one of. I'm smart as. That's what people really don't know about me. No, I'm dumb. I should say people. I got a lot of common sense over here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

One thing you said recently that I do agree with, I agree sports leagues should stop testing for weed.

[Pac Man Jones]

100.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What are your reasons for saying that?

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm saying, bro, they give us all these Percocets. Like, I got a script of hydrochron right now. 150 pills a month.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Pac Man Jones]

So you telling me what, because I had C3, C4 neck surgery, I'm up, okay? Like, I'm like. My body is in a lot of pain. But what I'm saying is, like, they rather give me the perks and the hydrocodones and. And then I can't even smoke weed. But I can go ahead and piss on this test before a game with these perks and hydrocodones in me, and that. That's gonna affect me way more than the weed. You take a Percocet and all this before the game, you might feel a little jittery and like that gonna have you loot.

[Just hilarious]

No, you. That's a opioid. Yeah, that smoking a joint you can't even perform on. No, don't say that.

[Pac Man Jones]

Don't you say, I know a lot of people that perform on perk.

[Just hilarious]

On 30s.

[Pac Man Jones]

On 30s, they can play a whole game.

[Just hilarious]

Damn.

[Pac Man Jones]

Damn, Florida.

[Just hilarious]

What they mix the perk with?

[Pac Man Jones]

Nothing. Gatorade. What perk? 30 and Gatorade say no names. I swear to God. I swear to God, like, I've had. Honestly, if I saved the team, I might, uh.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, you confessing right now. You confessing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're not in the league no more. It don't matter, do it?

[Just hilarious]

I need to see some funny up.

[Pac Man Jones]

But I swear to God, I've seen people take a perk 30 and play a whole game. You wouldn't even know it, though. Wouldn't even know it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what's crazy? I wonder, does the NFL help you if you get addicted to that shit? Like, if you end up getting addicted to perks long after your career?

[Pac Man Jones]

This is what I will say, though. The NFL will help you if you want to get help. You hear me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pac Man Jones]

If you don't want to get help, they ain't stun your ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They don't even give a.

[Pac Man Jones]

No, they don't. Damn.

[DJ Envy]

You were talking about beating the urine test.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You're giving out some of the exclusive to people out there, the secret.

[Pac Man Jones]

So now you see everybody talking about, well, I never even pissed. Why in the hell have just me, little, little bitty me come up with a conversation? I was saying, sitting in the studio with Dion before I did his show, and I'm like, hey, Pop. He was like, man, you get over everything but that weed, huh? I said, boom. And I was just sitting there thinking. I was like, oh, so let me really. I could tell him now I don't play no more. You know what I mean? Like. And I was just sitting there, right here, like, how we sitting before I went and did the show? And I was like, you know, I never used my own piss. He's like, yeah, you know, dealing him. Cause he like, yeah, nigga, I know that. How you know he's like, well, shit, you were smoking the whole time.

[Just hilarious]

Ain't never tried to hide it, huh?

[Pac Man Jones]

He's like, bro, you've been smoking the whole time. And I was like, oh, okay. And, like, I sat there and I thought about it for a second, and I was like, you know what? Let me tell these people. Like, and I can really tell everything because I ain't want to give everything away. But it's just so funny how trends set and time. I said, everybody else said, oh, yeah, we did the same thing. Same thing. I heard a lot of good stories, though, over this last week of how different people did it that make me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wonder, how much does the NFL even care if it's so easy to beat? But if it's so easy to beat.

[DJ Envy]

I thought they would follow you into the stall and make sure that you are using your own urine.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, they do, bro. Bro, you just gotta be. It's, It's. It's all, you know, I'll tell you like this. If a go to jail, he can find out how to light a match, right? All right, just think about it like that, all right? If I'm going to be getting drug tested for 14 years, and it's already for, what, three years in college? Like, it don't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. But, like, all right, I know the piss got to be warm first and foremost. I know that. The cups that they're using, I already googled them. Boom. I done ordered these already. You get what I'm saying? So it's, It's. It's simple, though. It ain't really that hard. Just think about if you pissing me right now and I'm pissing, boom. You see me pissing the cup, we walk. You ain't really worrying about nothing really, after that point, after you see that. And like, I had it to a tea, like, I would.

[Just hilarious]

So you can't. You can't. You can't go into it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man Pac man be thinking about his own and be like, boy, that was some. I can't believe I got a birthday.

[Pac Man Jones]

But it's interesting, as you advocate.

[Just hilarious]

You advocate, though, that that shouldn't be tested in any sport, though.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, that's what I'm advocating.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I'm big in.

[Pac Man Jones]

I own, like, two dispensaries. One of the biggest in Ohio is King City Garden. I'm a part of cookies. Like, I'm. I'm a part of a lot of that when it comes to we. I'm an advocate of wheat, right?

[Just hilarious]

What would you say the benefits are having THC in your system for any athletic. I mean, for any athlete.

[Pac Man Jones]

Every. All the other athletes. But me, like, I deal with post traumatic stress.

[Just hilarious]

Polar post traumatic stress.

[Pac Man Jones]

Fucked up. Like, for real. For real. And I can admit that. That's why I'm at a place where I'm at right now. But I rather smoke and take all of the stuff that they trying to prescribe to me. I went to Cleveland Clinic. Everybody know this about my life, but every year I go to like a two month rehab and just to like, mentally reset my. Reset myself from everything else, you know? I mean, not like, oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no. It's basically me cutting every thing off in my life. And like, you have a lot going on. My tools together.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Smart.

[Just hilarious]

Dealing with smart.

[Pac Man Jones]

Just get myself together. You know what I mean?

[Just hilarious]

Yeah.

[Pac Man Jones]

So normally I go to McLaren, which is in Boston, and I just take that time. And then I realized, like, damn, is way different now. You gotta remember they're prescribing me a lot of.

[Just hilarious]

Yeah.

[Pac Man Jones]

Like, as far as meds. So like. And I'm not really a big mega. I'm totally the weed guy. All levels. I might take it like a muscle relax or some like that, but I ain't really into all that other. Like, I've always been like that. I ain't never smoked till I got my own back. Like, all my was smoking in here. I'm like, nah, bro, I ain't doing that. Because all of them was bums. None of them made it. And like, we had Tyson. Remember Tyson? Tyson was the number one player in the country. And two days before signing day, they bust the projects, got three pounds of weed. Damn. In the crib, they take a scholarship. Damn. He was the number 1D tackle in the country, bro. So I always looked at different things, like, all right, I'm a wait to do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And like, going back to the story, why I didn't even know, like, my mom. This is how I found out. Like, my mom was bipolar. I'm calling, I'm at McLean Hospital, and the, the. The doctor asked me, he's like, man, do you got anybody in your family that's like dealing with bipolar or dealing with anything? I'm like, no, we already, you know, I mean, so he's like, call your mom. This is real. I call. I'm like, mom, you ever deal with bipolar? She's like, yeah, well, I've been taking that mess my whole life.

[Just hilarious]

Damn.

[DJ Envy]

You had no.

[Pac Man Jones]

Damn. You don't want to let me know so I can at least try to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why.

[Pac Man Jones]

That's why I gotta jump the line or something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why I'm you though, man. Because, you know, in order to eradicate the stigma around mental health, everybody gotta tell their story. Like, you know, we don't tell our stories, we won't know. My dad was the same way with me when you found out I was dealing with anxiety and depression. Now you want to tell me that you've been on, you know, 10 to 12 different medications. Now you want to tell me you was going to therapy your whole life? Damn, you could have been told me that.

[Pac Man Jones]

And now that I look back at, I'm like, damn, I had a lot of different triggers. Now that I know. But like, I'm like, once I start, once she told me, I'm like, oh, fuck, why not just smack the hell out of him? You know what I mean? But like, it's crazy. Like, our community do not talk about mental health. Our community don't talk about when you're having a bad day. Our community is all Instagram, like, everybody is rich. Everybody having a great day every day. That is cap as a motherfucker. The white folks, bro, they gonna send screens. They got doctors. I mean, it's okay to tell a motherfucker that. You ready to jump bridge? It's okay to tell them, hey, I just. I'm going through some today. And then like, we don't use the resource. Well, we don't. We really don't know about the resources. Career. So.

[Just hilarious]

Yeah.

[Pac Man Jones]

So, like, I don't want nobody to know really what I'm going through because I don't want nobody to look at me different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We just getting around to using the language. Yeah, we just realizing the language now.

[Pac Man Jones]

Crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So now we got to start actually going out there to get some real healing.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why I'm glad when you said that you taking your two month sabbatical, that's dope to me.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh, yeah. Gotta do. I do every year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every year, regardless of what's going on.

[Pac Man Jones]

Every year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's damn, that's hard.

[Just hilarious]

Anything else?

[Pac Man Jones]

First two months of Joe, huh?

[Just hilarious]

Therapist. I said anything.

[Pac Man Jones]

Y'all talk to the screen every day. Sully watch it come.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every day.

[Pac Man Jones]

Every day.

[Just hilarious]

About to call him now. Damn.

[Pac Man Jones]

He in Vegas. He might be. I normally don't call him till like 10:30.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He gonna think something wrong. Don't call him right now, he gonna think so.

[Just hilarious]

You right, because that means it's 6:36.

[Pac Man Jones]

I might be going through something.

[Just hilarious]

Right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Let's see if he answer you. So, hey, this is good. If he don't answer, so what if.

[Just hilarious]

He going through something?

[Pac Man Jones]

He used to scream, shrinks got strengths.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You shouldn't even go to a shrink. You shouldn't even go to a therapist that don't have a therapist.

[Pac Man Jones]

Sully is good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Finish telling us how you passed the test, though.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh. So, yeah, so I would go like, boom. Like, first of all, I figured out the cups. That was the first. That was the smartest thing I did.

[DJ Envy]

The cups.

[Pac Man Jones]

So the cups, cuz can't get them cups from everywhere. You know what I'm saying? So I had ordered, like, maybe 200 cups.

[DJ Envy]

200 cups?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah. I mean, I like, I had them, like, damn near to the teeth. Like, same bag, same everything. But before then, I would, like, have my boy go up there and let him take the dude and I would just take the cups. But they caught on to it because I ain't got nothing about 10, 15 cups in there. You get what I'm saying? So that's how initially, I was just going there and take them down. They catching on to that. Let me go order the cups. So by that time, I had done figure out the size, what the cups was, where they was getting shipped from. Boom, boom, boom, boom. So I would take the cup. I would already have my piss, like, in the cup. Go to the steam room, make sure the motherfucker hot. You know what I mean? Cause that's the first thing that they check. Temperature, Temperature. So if the piss cold, it's a bad day. But, like, I had it down to a T, bro. I would go warm my piss up. Boom. Always wear wards, like jogging pants. I would let him see me piss. I want him to see me piss. You get what I'm saying? But I got some right here for his ass, though. You get what I'm saying? So on the way back, it's just a quick flip, like, boom, boom. By the time we've already there, I'm already there with the other cook. And he got to put the stick on it because they don't put the stick on. So while we walking, I'm already.

[Just hilarious]

Okay, bro.

[Pac Man Jones]

I made so much. I ain't tell this part. I made a lot of money doing that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What, selling piss?

[Pac Man Jones]

No, helping people pass people.

[Just hilarious]

Yes. Nice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So why you giving the game away for free now? You can still.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm saying, like, I ain't giving y'all everything. I ain't telling. They know. They know. Anybody get caught, man, just Imagine how many got suspended for weed, like, during our time. Like, I played from 2005. I was the first defensive player pick. I retired in 2:19. It's a long time to pass the pit. I'm talking about. I don't want to say no names, but I. Bro, I've helped and I. You want to tell what I used to charge you?

[DJ Envy]

What you charge me?

[Pac Man Jones]

How much do you think I told? But. All right, so we only get pissed one time. Just think about this a year.

[DJ Envy]

One time.

[Pac Man Jones]

One time. If you pass it.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Pac Man Jones]

All right. What you think that piss worth 50.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To 100 your career?

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm thinking, of course, 25, 35. 35, 35. What? Next day, what? Who. Who at 6 something, baby.

[Just hilarious]

Who. Who has reached out to you from the league? Anybody else reach out to you from the league after this revelation?

[Pac Man Jones]

Anybody say something like, as far as.

[Just hilarious]

Me, like, right now, like. Well, because you've been in the media, like, before now talking about this. How many people recently called, put me on?

[Pac Man Jones]

Like, I'll say, like, three players.

[Just hilarious]

Three. Okay.

[Pac Man Jones]

Like, that's playing right now. But did anybody get caught out of my crew?

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Pac Man Jones]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Nobody.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm undefeated, bro. Oh, wow. And like, I had one, like, close run in. In Nashville. And I won't say the person name, but, like, I end up paying him. And, like, he got a private script, like, Runway pad for his plane. I won't say the name, but, like, I kind of gave a little bit away just then. But, like, I was pretty good. I was. But I had client clientele.

[DJ Envy]

I should say he had clientele.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, now I see why people just did cocaine. Cocaine only be in your system four days.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In the 80s.

[Pac Man Jones]

I see why. Like, that's. That's funny. You said it all the brothers, 90% of them. And the other out of 100. I would say the other 10% of the white boys, everybody smoked dope. Like, everybody. Even the coaches. I done gave some coaches some weed before, but I ain't gonna say no names. But, like, couple places I went to, they were smoking heavy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have the policies changed? The policies did change, right? They got a little lighter, didn't they?

[Pac Man Jones]

It's a little lighter. It's the same, though. It's like, I think, what, 10 now? It used to be 15.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Pac Man Jones]

Now you get you. It's basically like, I think if. If you don't smoke walking in right now, you should be good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That ain't fatal. Especially if you live in a state that's got it legal. Recreational ambulance.

[Pac Man Jones]

I Don't know. You know how that is. Like it's a private entity.

[Just hilarious]

I can't wait to hear what you're gonna be talking about on Politely Raw. This is crazy.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh yeah, you doing political stuff too?

[DJ Envy]

Cause you're, you're a Trump supporter, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes, I am. I don't give a who don't like it. Like my opinion is my opinion, who I like. Like I was somewhere like two weeks ago and the dude said, man, I seen you with that Trump hat on. I said okay, what is your problem? And he just went in, I'm like, he is trying to take away Social Security. I said, okay. Oh that's cool. You done it. Malpeen is malpin. As far as business wise, I agree with Trump. I got paper and, and all my folks that, that was in the hood. They good. You got the economy fucking me, huh?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got the economy.

[Pac Man Jones]

It's going to get up. You know that shit going to get up. You know that shit going to get up, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Pac Man Jones]

You don't think so? Well, the last two motherfuckers ain't this shit for you. It was down when they was in this motherfucker.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't, I think, I don't believe in none of them but you know.

[Pac Man Jones]

I just think it's going to get back up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Pac Man Jones]

I think so.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Only reason I say that is because we have 11 recessions in this country.

[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Today available features, compatible device service and consumer activation of Nissan Connect services package required use only when safe and legal. Subject to third party service availability.

[John Lee Brody]

For more information see nissanusa.com Connect legal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Apple CarPlay is a trademark of Apple Inc.

[John Lee Brody]

Intelligent all wheel drive cannot prevent collisions or provide enhanced traction in all conditions. Always monitor traffic and weather conditions.

[Damien Hirst]

Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here.

[Pac Man Jones]

Ow.

[DJ Envy]

Go slower.

[Damien Hirst]

From Blumhouse TV, iheart podcast and ember20 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. And Santi was gone. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi and what's the way to find a missing person. Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously.

[Pac Man Jones]

Hmm.

[Damien Hirst]

Pillow talk, the most unwelcome window into the human psyche. Follow our out of his element hero as he engages in a series of ill conceived investigative hookups. Mama always used to say God gave me gumption in place of a gag reflex. And as I was about to learn, no amount of showering can wash your hands of a bad hookup.

[Pac Man Jones]

Now take a big whiff, my bruh.

[Damien Hirst]

Listen to the hookup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Emila]

I started to live a double life when I was a teenager. Responsible and driven and wild and out of control. My head is pounding. I'm confused. I don't know why I'm in jail. It's hard to understand what hope is when you're trapped in a cycle of addiction. Addiction took me to the darkest places. I had an AK47 pointed at my head. But one night, a new door opened and I made it into the rooms of recovery. The path would have roadblocks and detours, stalls and relapses. But when I was feeling the most lost, I found hope with community and I made my way back this season. Join me on my journey through addiction and recovery. A story told in 12 steps. Listen to Crumbs as part of the Mike Ulura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Pac Man Jones]

Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new Star Wars Rebels Rewatch podcast. I'm Vanessa Marshall. Hi, I'm Tia Sircar. I'm Taylor Gray.

[John Lee Brody]

And I'm John Lee Brody.

[Pac Man Jones]

But you may also know us as Harrison Dula, Spectre 2, Sabine Wren, Specter 5, and Ezra Bridger, Specter 6 from Star Wars Rebels.

[John Lee Brody]

Wait, I wasn't on Star Wars Rebels. Am I in the right place?

[Pac Man Jones]

Absolutely.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Each week we're going to rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and.

[Pac Man Jones]

Share some fun behind the scenes stories.

[John Lee Brody]

Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests like Steve bloom voices Zaborielio's Spectre 4, or Dante Bosco voices Jai Kell and many others.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

Sometimes we'll even have a lively debate.

[John Lee Brody]

And we'll have plenty of other fun surprises.

[Pac Man Jones]

And trivia, too.

[John Lee Brody]

Oh, and me. Well, I'm the lucky ghost cruise stowaway who gets to help moderate and guide the discussion each week. Kind of like how Kanan guided Ezra in the ways of the force. You see what I did there?

[Pac Man Jones]

Nicely done, John.

[John Lee Brody]

Thanks, Tia.

[Pac Man Jones]

So hang on, because it's gonna be a fun ride. Cue the music.

[John Lee Brody]

Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ten of them have been led by Republicans. Yeah, and the economy does do better.

[Pac Man Jones]

When they're the Democrats. Not when Trump was in there last time, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hell, yeah, we was right there through recession. Only thing that stopped the recession was Covid.

[Pac Man Jones]

No, only thing stopped recession was Trump getting checks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Covid. He gave him the check.

[Pac Man Jones]

Covid was playing. You see, they got. Damn. Getting rid of his ass, huh? Who?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Covid?

[Pac Man Jones]

No, the Fauci? Yeah. Oh, you don't want to talk about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know if they can.

[Pac Man Jones]

So you don't think Fauci put Covid, like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Pac Man Jones]

Drop this shit in here. How you think Covid got here?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It leaked from a lab in China, man.

[Pac Man Jones]

Leaked from Fauci?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, and I could have been a.

[Pac Man Jones]

High foul to get all that money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Could it have been a biological warfare? Yes, but it came from a lab in China, The Wuhan lab.

[Pac Man Jones]

It came from Fauci.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think? Well, he was in the crib.

[Pac Man Jones]

Hey, bro, he made a lot of money off that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Pac Man Jones]

The test and everything. Bro, is the COVID test really real? I'm just asking y'all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know what's real no more, man. I ain't even gonna lie to you.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh, no. Like, I still, like, got, like, six home tests, and I swear to God, the other day. This is no, like, three, four months ago, when they was talking about all this was coming back, I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna take one of these to see if I got Covid. Surely shit is come back positive. I'm like, I'm not even coughing right now.

[Just hilarious]

When did you do that?

[Pac Man Jones]

This is like, three months ago.

[Just hilarious]

Come on. Come on, nigga. Why you had to come up in here? Cause I'm. You could be asymptomatic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But no, even during. Even during COVID people tested positive and didn't. Didn't have symptoms, bro.

[Just hilarious]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you didn't find. You didn't figure out a way to beat the COVID test? You could have really made some money with that.

[Pac Man Jones]

We would have made killing with that right now.

[Just hilarious]

I understand what you're saying. Okay. You being a Trump supporter, cool. But that, do you agree with all of his policies?

[Pac Man Jones]

No, I don't.

[Just hilarious]

Okay.

[Pac Man Jones]

All right.

[DJ Envy]

You just care about the business stuff, the taxes stuff, corporate stuff.

[Just hilarious]

Yeah, smart business, man.

[Pac Man Jones]

I, I agree that women should have their own rights. I agree with all that. I think some things that Trump say and like me being where I'm at right now, I understand how people can take shit and twist it. And when I say take twist it, I'm talking about ABC News, cb, cbs. Like all that shit is, I hate to say it, but like, it's kind of corrupt and I've had a chance to be on the other end. Like I was on ESPN for 60 days when I was around going crazy and back in the food. Like, I wouldn't even allow nobody to even look at ESPN in my house. Like it was like a rule. But like it was crazy. Like certain things now some of it was, was true. But, but a lot of stuff they took and just made their own twist on it and just to sell papers or just to be in the headlines. And I understand that part, cuz I know how to get Clipblade. I know what to say. I know what to ask you. I know what to ask you that's going to say, all right, everybody going to follow this right here. So I understand what they doing to a certain extent. Some of the I can agree with, but like, I just don't believe in tearing a person down or that I know is not true. That's what I'm saying. Like you're, you'll see a headline. Oh, Pac just. I'm just throwing some out there. Pac just beat these folks ass. Da da da da. But it didn't even say, oh yeah, well he was approached by. You know what I mean? And like it's, it's a gift and a curse, I guess.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's the one thing I hate about the media nowadays. You don't know who performing and who being authentic no more.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because of exactly what you just said. People will say things just to get. Because they know it'll make a headline.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah. A lot of people doing it even. I ain't throwing nobody up on the bus. But like when you start talking about your dick on the show and talking about like you having sex and that's what I'm saying. Like, why would you even say that? Only reason you'll say that is because all Right. Somebody's gonna clip this in about. Oh, he got six pills or some like that, like. And you. I ain't saying no names, but y'all know what I'm. I'm trying to get in the circle, but, like, certain things, I don't know, say they saw, I guess, for anything, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn. But what if that really happened to you, though? If you, like. Are you talking about when Ojo single was talking about getting the surgery on his penis?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, the penis surgery.

[Pac Man Jones]

I wasn't talking about Chad. Chad, my boy. I was talking about. I was talking.

[Just hilarious]

A lot of people talking about their dicks.

[Pac Man Jones]

That. That circle, though. Yeah, it was. It was you. You called it, but you ain't. Okay, okay, there you go. You caught it, but you ain't catching. Yeah, but, yeah, like, I just. I don't know, like, certain things. Like, I'm not willing to. Like, what do you get out of telling somebody about what you doing? Sexual?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Depends what the topic is. I don't know the context.

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, tell me what you mean. I'm asking you a question. You said depending on the country.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah. Depending on the topic. On the topic.

[Pac Man Jones]

Why would you tell me about what. Who you and. I mean, what's your dick look like, do you think?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Pac Man Jones]

Pause.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got reason to be telling you what my dick looks like.

[Pac Man Jones]

All right, that's my point, man. Come on.

[DJ Envy]

So you think. You think the Shannon Sharp, the whole live thing, you think it's all cap.

[Just hilarious]

How you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what you're talking about in particular.

[Just hilarious]

Okay, how you not know? You on live. Okay, Shay.

[Pac Man Jones]

Shay ain't doing all that. They funny. They funny.

[Just hilarious]

Okay.

[Pac Man Jones]

You think. You think that video was real?

[Just hilarious]

Oh, no, I told him. He knew he was on live.

[Pac Man Jones]

No, I'm asking you a question.

[Just hilarious]

Do I think it was real?

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm trying to run around the question.

[Just hilarious]

I'm not running around shit.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm telling you, I know he knew.

[Just hilarious]

He was on live.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm not asking you. No, no, I'm not asking you about the live part. See you missing it again.

[Just hilarious]

I'm not missing it.

[Pac Man Jones]

What do you think that video was real.

[Just hilarious]

Seattle?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, let me ask a better question. What reason would he have to fake it?

[Just hilarious]

I don't think he was faking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Reason. What reason would he have to fake it? What would he be trying to. What would he be trying to prove?

[Just hilarious]

I don't. Yeah, I don't think it was fake. I just think that he knew he was on there.

[Pac Man Jones]

Groomer, man. The man been walking around with the little dogs and everything, man. Oh, my God, y'all. If y'all. If Y'all really. If y'all think now y'all smarter, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't do that, man.

[Pac Man Jones]

Bro, I love them, but, like, come on, let's call it a fade of fade.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, bro.

[Pac Man Jones]

Don't do that, bro. Don't do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't call a fade Afro. Goddamn it. A fade is a fade.

[Pac Man Jones]

You know what I'm saying? Jesus Christ.

[Just hilarious]

Because we never seen her, so we.

[Pac Man Jones]

Not.

[Just hilarious]

Like the forest gump. Like the forest gump.

[Pac Man Jones]

Jesus Christ. What are we talking about? Come on, bro. That. That to me, that was funny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You need to go on Nightcap. I'd love to see you on Nightcap.

[Pac Man Jones]

I've been on that show before. But you ain't going.

[Just hilarious]

That's crazy.

[Pac Man Jones]

No, they have. They will have me back because they know what's up with me, what I'm telling you. Yeah, I'm gonna tell him on his own show. Hey, hey, hey.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So with that said, do you think the NFL should get rid of the tush push?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes, I do, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why?

[Pac Man Jones]

The tush push is just like, they. They talking about concussions. And like, that's. That's immediately immediate impact. Like, you, like you getting hit in the top of your head. They all the way down.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, even at a short distance like that.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That still hurt.

[Pac Man Jones]

Like, let me. You run.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me head butt your ass right now.

[Pac Man Jones]

Leave me a head butt your ass. You see which one does have a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Concussion is like inches.

[Pac Man Jones]

But you gotta realize, like, that's it's like. It's like, it's. It's different. Like, me personally, I think that shit should be bad. Wow.

[DJ Envy]

The most difficult thing he had to do in the league, huh? Jason Kelsey said he was one of the most difficult things he had to do.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, because he started this. They started that, like, shout out to Kelsey. That's. He a good dude. I used to chirp his ass every game. Oh, punk ass. Let's go. Be looking around. I'm talking to you, Kelsey.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I thought you said he was saying that to you.

[Pac Man Jones]

I probably smack out him, but I. I was a. Me and him have a really good, like, story from, like, pre game and shit. Cause I was like, mentally, I was trying to see, like, who can I, like, fuck with. That's always been like, a part of my game as far as football wise. Like, I'm a big chirper, and I don't think I played against nobody that I haven't chirped. Like all my friends, my cousin Rashad Jones played with the Dolphins. Never talked to him before a game. When I played against him, I'm on demon time and I've always been like that. But like, Kelsey, Kelsey, he talk a lot of shit too, but we had a good little pre game.

[Just hilarious]

What happened? What happened to you? After the Jake Paul fight with Tyson, you got arrested. What happened?

[Pac Man Jones]

Some racist ass Mexicans.

[Just hilarious]

Racist Mexicans?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah. Damn, I should have smacked the out of him. And I didn't even smack him. I still got locked up. That was the bad part about it. So I'm at the Lowe's Hotel, which Jerry Jones own, of course, which I'm standing up on the. So we. It was after the fight we had the hotel, we in the lobby and. And I backed. I backed into. Like, I was. I'm standing at the bar and I backed up like this and I kind of like, it was a lady and two dudes, and I was like, damn, my bad. And the dude, he just. He just went off, went on. I'm trying to think like, you for.

[DJ Envy]

Real, he was short. Cause you're looking down.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, but it was like six of them, though. So at this time, I was down. I was downstairs, just me and my camera dude. So I'm like, oh, they just think this here is a joke, huh? So he just kept going. He chirped, chirp, chirping. And then, like, it just got to a point where I forgot. Like, I was like, all right, I'm finna fuck him up. And when I went to go fuck him up, if you see the video, it was a police officer that was right there. So what's not on the video is I went to grab him and I hit the police officer, like. So she locked. They locked me up for like some bullshit, but it's all getting happened.

[Just hilarious]

Was he going off in his language, like, what?

[Pac Man Jones]

No, you can see it in the video. No, he was talking in English for you to understand. For me to understand? Yeah. Like, and like, everybody know what I'm on, bro. Like, one thing I do not tolerate, though, is nothing racist. Like, I got a lot of friends that's white, Jew, any color that you can name. But, like, I went to West Virginia. Like, 90% of my friends are white. And I hate to say it, I don't like, I deal with. But like, all my friends, like, my friends, friends besides my family, I say out of. I'm probably got, let's say 60 friends.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You ever been to 2 this Biscuit World?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yep. Man. My boy owned that. That's my R shot, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That shit's so good.

[Pac Man Jones]

It is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was thinking about that shit this week.

[Pac Man Jones]

That's funny. That's funny. You know what you're talking about? That shit is good. So listen, this is the real truth. My best friend, Chris Harbad, right? So we went to West Virginia together. I took him from West Virginia. He been with me ever since. His dad owned that. Wow. That's funny that you just said that. No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause I was in Rhode Island. There's this biscuit spot in Rhode island called Irregardless Biscuit. And I was eating it. I'm like, man, this shit good. I said, it's the best biscuit sandwich I had since Tudors back in the.

[Pac Man Jones]

Too is good. Like, yeah. That's crazy. Chris Harvard is my man. His dad own. Own that, too. That's funny as that you just said that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy.

[Pac Man Jones]

But, yeah. So out of 40 friends, I say, I don't even got no friends, really.

[Just hilarious]

Oh, my God.

[Pac Man Jones]

I got 10 of them. I don't really do friends. I'm so, like, I'm different, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

At what point, though, even when you.

[Pac Man Jones]

Realize y'all had Gucci up there, he.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Looking right at you. At what point do you say to yourself, like, you know what? I gotta back out of these situations. Cause of who I am. You can't just go on everything, though. Pac Man.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm on bullshit time, bro. I'm. I'm Malcolm X, bro. I'm not Martin Luther King. That's the best way for me to put it for you in plain terms. I stand with the people. I stand by a certain code, and I treat people. I want to be treated. But, like, if you want to be on bullshit time, you're gonna be energy. I got time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So respect gotta be. You won't respect at all times. I get you.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah. I've never been nowhere. I've never been nowhere. And they like, man, this is just so rude. He don't know how to treat people. Never had that situation in my whole entire life. Like, I went to school for special education, so I got a lot of patience.

[Just hilarious]

Yeah. You said something that I. That I love. You said being sound and stable is more important than money.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Just hilarious]

Expound on that.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm saying, like, at the end of the day, bro, like, how much money do you need to be okay? Like, that's just me. That's how I'm thinking. Like. And I been to a point in my life where I'm just like, all right. Then you realize like, God damn, you got everything that you want. You still ain't happy. That's right. Still miserable. It's a lot of these. Like, I ain't trying to shoot numbers up. I'm talking about billionaires. For what, a hundred million? I. Me, personally, the most money I've probably ever had in my account was probably, like, $36 million. I ain't gonna tell y'all what I got now, but what I'm saying is I was miserable as fuck, like, a lot of that time. And, like, it's half if it's doing that. But, like, I'm way more. What's the word? Content and happy with where I'm at now. And, like, do I got money? Yeah, of course I got money. But, like, you gotta find a spot and, like, where you content with yourself? Because at the end of the day, like, we all die. You ain't gonna die with the money. What are we gonna do? Like, our. Our. Me personally, how I look at it, like, all right, I need enough to survive. That's first and foremost. So let's put this up right here, all right? Then I got these kids. Let's put this up for them, all right? How much more do I want to play with or fuck around with? And, like, that's how I look at it. And I got some good people that's in my corner special investment wise. Like, Jerry did a lot for me as far as helping me not worry about tomorrow and have fun today as far as, hey, put this shit up, bro. Put it up. Put some of it up at least, like, so you can be cool. But I just feel like that money, it's cool. Like, everybody need money. I'm not saying this because. Got money. That's why he's saying it. No, not fucking saying that, but I'm saying is, like, you can have whatever you want, but, like, mentally, you got to find you a spot. Like, for you, like, having a peace.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Of mind is way better than the money.

[Just hilarious]

Would you say you are sound and stable now?

[Pac Man Jones]

Hell yeah.

[Just hilarious]

Okay.

[Pac Man Jones]

Hell, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, it goes and it goes up in ups and downs every day, though, right?

[Pac Man Jones]

Well, I'm saying I have ups and downs. That's why I got a strength that I talk to. I got all these other things that let me know when my triggers are coming. Like, I love hard, and I. And I hate hard. Like, it's hard for me to explain, like, mentally, like, how I move around every day. But, like, either it's. It's on and off. Switch is either I with you or I love you or I don't like you. And like, I treat business like that too. Like, I'm not doing certain things to make. Just to make some money. I ain't, I ain't. I ain't doing that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, what's the trigger for you?

[Pac Man Jones]

It's a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you in the club, first day out. Come on. I'm starting off my day with a blunt of perp.

[Pac Man Jones]

Oh, no, no. Hell no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's just a lot of syrup.

[Pac Man Jones]

Come on, man. You don't know. Music don't trigger me. That's definitely not it. Like, I'm way too smart to let.

[Just hilarious]

A rap symbol trigger you.

[Pac Man Jones]

Trigger you. I just, it's just certain. Like, I don't like to be touched, like, at all. Like, and I don't like being like, around a lot of people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how does that. In your relationships with women? Like, you know, is that when you're trying to get in.

[DJ Envy]

We're not talking about touch with women.

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm talking about definitely not with women.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know if you're mad serious too.

[DJ Envy]

So how does that affect your relationship?

[Pac Man Jones]

I'm loving and caring. Bro, Bro.

[Just hilarious]

Like, it's just the Mexicans. You don't like to be touched by them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Pac Man Jones]

I don't like to be with. And a lot of times, and I could say sometimes, like, I let my guard down and that's why a lot of times happen. Like, there's no way I should not be walking around with security.

[Just hilarious]

Yeah, yeah, but you do, huh?

[DJ Envy]

I don't put that out there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not even to protect. To protect you from others, really. Keep you from doing.

[Pac Man Jones]

Worrying about that. I'm worried about me doing something to somebody else. Right. Because if it get there, I'm do whatever necessary to. At least if I. If I got the means of doing it. I shouldn't say this. This is so premeditated. I would not do it. I should not say that.

[Just hilarious]

Are you married?

[Pac Man Jones]

Yes, I am.

[Just hilarious]

Since 2014.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah.

[Just hilarious]

Beautiful.

[Pac Man Jones]

That's a long ass time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a beautiful time.

[Just hilarious]

It is 11 years.

[Pac Man Jones]

It's hard too. Yeah, it's hard. Like, it's hard. But the good part about it is you got somebody that really love you. Yep. Like, it's unbelievable. Like, because I've done a lot of up things. I mean, like, I was a rock star for like the first. She don't mind me saying this, like, the first three, four years of us getting married, she was a rock star too. But you evolved.

[DJ Envy]

You changed, huh? You evolved.

[Pac Man Jones]

You changed what you Mean by that?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, boy.

[Just hilarious]

Well, she's changed. How about that? There you go.

[Pac Man Jones]

She's changed me too.

[Just hilarious]

There you go.

[Pac Man Jones]

I don't know. What do you mean by change?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You ain't cheating no more. You ain't out here a bunch of.

[DJ Envy]

Other different people no more.

[Pac Man Jones]

He said, excuse me, you asked me, but what. What my relationship was.

[Just hilarious]

Be politely raw, you know what I'm saying? What is it? Is it open?

[Pac Man Jones]

I ain't got nothing. All right. This ain't for everybody to know what I got going on, but okay. Hey, my boy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now you. You see how quick you can start talking about sex?

[Pac Man Jones]

I haven't said anything about sex. How did you come up with that with sex?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just saying. You asked me. You asked about it.

[Pac Man Jones]

Are you still out here? What did you ask me? You just asked me the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fucking a bunch of girls. I was rejected. I'm sorry. That was me the first couple of years of my relationship.

[Just hilarious]

But you did blush when I bought your wife up.

[Pac Man Jones]

I would never ever, like. And I've been around a lot of chicks and shit. But as far as me being with another chick, nah. Far as me taking care of. Nah. Like, she done been through so much with me. Like, she deserved everything, right? I don't. Like, I don't own. She own everything. Like, I give her everything, basically, like. And that's just me because when I was going through all my. It was one that was there with me on them lonely ass days that was like, all right, you okay? I'm like, oh, I'm really not, but okay. And she stuck with me through. She brought. She. But Tish might be the strongest woman I'm talking about, including my mama. Like, she more stronger than my mom, if I'm willing to say that. Yeah, she deserve it back. And I. I enjoy myself if you was asking me that question. But, like, I know I. I ain't. Ain't not now. Getting from me besides her. That's what it is. Like, hey, bro, I need a Hundon humdon. Yeah, a hundred thousand right now. But like, no, she is, she is. She undefeated, bro. Like, and the way she's dealt with all the. That we've been through, I'm talking about like, we and she. Is she a soldier? I'm very thankful for her. Yeah, I will say.

[Just hilarious]

Kids, all that.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, we got. Zanaya's my oldest daughter. She had Mississippi State shout out Naya. She just ran in the SEC championship the other day at Texas A and M. Then I got Trenny and Juny which is by Tish. But, yeah. All my kids are unbelievable.

[DJ Envy]

Just got an offer from Dion.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah. Junior. Junior.

[Just hilarious]

Amazing, bro.

[Pac Man Jones]

Like, he. Is he one of one, bro. Like, this kid is running 13 flat and 100 at 7 years old. Like, this. Unheard of. Wow.

[Just hilarious]

Your boys act like you. Oh, God, he's not.

[Pac Man Jones]

I wouldn't say he hit like, what? They don't act like me because they don't come from where I'm from, the slum of the slum. These got 10, 6 bathrooms in this house. 19, 000 square feet and end up pool. So he better not act like the way I acted. But he have certain characters I shall say that I got. He's competitive as. Yeah, competitive. And I'm talking about anybody. And the other day we was shooting basketball, and we go to the little place up here by the house and we play, like, on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And like, he's crying if we lose the game. Like, bro, these kids are 18, 19. You're the youngest kid out here.

[Just hilarious]

Wow.

[Pac Man Jones]

But dang, he passed me. I'm like, bro, are you serious right now? Football, He. He understand, like, that competitive. Competitive spirit. And like, I always say that, like, if you grew up in it, you get to skip the line. Like, people talk about Shadora. Like, bro, what are we talking about? Bro, what are we talking about? Yeah, his fucking dad was playing a football game and a goddamn baseball game in the same day and putting out goddamn a song. Like, yes, these kids have different characteristics than other kids. Because guess what? He know what it takes to get there. He know the preparation. Because, guys, why he's sitting there watching his daddy do the whole. Whole roller coaster. And I hate when people, like, try to shame some of the kids that dad made it. Most of the kids that come from. I'm talking about, like, when your father's in your life, I should say. But, like, that come from watching or being brought up in that are unbelievable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm all for black nepotism.

[Pac Man Jones]

Me too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

White folks do it all the time.

[Pac Man Jones]

Guess what? The owner of the Bengals, his niece, their granddaughter, guess what? She is the VP.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Pac Man Jones]

She 23 years old.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jerry Jones.

[Pac Man Jones]

Jerry Jones. Every grandson in there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. Like, so Jerry Jones, whole family own half of the.

[Pac Man Jones]

Everybody.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, they all got a percentage.

[Pac Man Jones]

Everybody. It's crazy.

[Just hilarious]

How do you feel about Michael Jordan's son?

[DJ Envy]

I gotta go, people. I know you definitely gotta get my son.

[Pac Man Jones]

All right. Oh, you meant to rap anyway.

[Just hilarious]

Michael Jordan, son. Just tell me Was it?

[Pac Man Jones]

Was it? I like Marcus. I heard he just got caught up with some. I heard. But I like him. I love Marcus. I've had a chance to go on trips and chill with him. He's unbelievable to me.

[Just hilarious]

Nice.

[Pac Man Jones]

You won't hear me say nothing bad about it.

[Just hilarious]

Okay, well, great.

[Pac Man Jones]

Know my people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What I respect too, though, man, is just, you know, you speak about Chris, but that's your adopted son. So that says a lot about you, the fact that you was able to keep him where he. Keep him motivated to get where he needed to be.

[Pac Man Jones]

Yeah, culture, bro. Like, once they see you getting up at 6, 30, 5, 30 in the morning, going through your regular routine when you really. I don't have to work out. I get up to do what I like to do just because it's just in me. And I think when you got kids and shit that's watching you every morning, seeing different things, it's easier for you to put it into it. You know what I'm saying? Cause, oh, yeah, you see me doing the work, you know, I don't have no problem with doing the work. And I will work out with you if I need to. But, like, I think it's been a good, good ride, bro. Watch and see what you be the number one pickup draft.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He going to Ohio State, right.

[Pac Man Jones]

He's committed to Isla.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gonna end up with Deion in Colorado.

[Pac Man Jones]

That's his choice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Pac Man Jones, the politely raw show. On BET. No, on BET Online's YouTube. On BET Online's YouTube.

[Pac Man Jones]

Shout out to BET Online. We need a bag. Another bag. This bag for the kids? Not for me.

[Just hilarious]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Pac Man Jones]

Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

[Emila]

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[Damien Hirst]

Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here?

[Pac Man Jones]

Ow.

[DJ Envy]

Go slower.

[Damien Hirst]

From Blumhouse TV, iHeart podcasts and Ember 20 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi and what's the way to find a missing person sleep with everyone he knew, obviously. Listen to the hookup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Mary Kay McBrayer]

I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now, women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice, and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the Greatest true crime Stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Emila]

I'm Emila, host of the podcast Crumbs. For years I had to rely on other people to tell me my story, and what I heard wasn't good. You really? Last night, it felt like I lived most of my life in a blackout. I was trapped in addiction. I had to grab the lamp and smashed it against the walls. And then I decided I wanted to tell my own story. Listen to crumbs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.