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Ben
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Narrator/Announcer
Guaranteed Human.
Papoose
What a matchup we got, y'.
ER (Rapper from London)
All.
Papoose
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DJ Envy
For an ice cold Coca Cola.
Papoose
Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.
Clarissa Shields
Mmm.
Papoose
Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere. And an ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.
Ben
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DJ Envy
Hey, what up, y'?
Papoose
All?
DJ Envy
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Ben
This is where mindset comes in.
Narrator/Announcer
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Ben
Pressure is coming down.
Papoose
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Narrator/Announcer
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Charlamagne Tha God
Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.
DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lauren laros is here as well. And we got a special guest in the building.
Charlamagne Tha God
Papoose. Papoose.
Clarissa Shields
Papoose.
Papoose
Peace.
Charlamagne Tha God
What's up, brother?
DJ Envy
How you feeling, man?
Papoose
I'm maintaining. Can't complain, man.
DJ Envy
See you up here in a long time.
Charlamagne Tha God
Which is.
Papoose
I don't even recognize. Yeah, this is crazy.
DJ Envy
Papoose was the artist that usually didn't call, but always came up and said he had a record.
Charlamagne Tha God
He got open door policy.
DJ Envy
He had open door policy all the time.
Papoose
That's a fact, man.
DJ Envy
And I think since we moved studios, papa ain't know where we were. Cause we ain't seen him in a long time.
Papoose
Nah, that's a fact. Actually, I think it was before you came aboard for Lauren McCain. Oh, the last time I was here. Yeah.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah.
DJ Envy
How's everything going, though?
Papoose
Everything is great, man.
DJ Envy
I see you just celebrated your daughter's birthday the other day.
Papoose
Yeah, I did.
DJ Envy
McDonald's party.
Papoose
Yeah. She turned seven years old.
DJ Envy
That's nice, man.
Papoose
Beautiful thing, man.
DJ Envy
Enjoy. They get big fast.
Papoose
Happen so fast, man. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, it's a blessing.
Charlamagne Tha God
I feel like you. You should have been did Bars on Wheels. Oh, really?
Papoose
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. That's a fact. That's a fact.
Charlamagne Tha God
What is Bars on Wheels, first of all.
Papoose
Yeah. So Bars on Wheels, A journey to save hip Hop, man. It's me basically taking what I was doing on Instagram to the next level, though. I mean, so sometimes when I post the videos of me driving in the car rapping, some people go in the comments and they be like, okay, but where's he going? So I'm like, you know what? Why are you becoming. See, there you go. So I'm on a journey to save hip hop, know what I'm saying? So that's the name of the project, man. And I didn't want to just do it as an album. I wanted to do it as a short film and just do something that was never done before.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, you've always prided yourself on just being a pure lyricist. And, you know, everybody likes to do the melodies and the vibes more than the bars. What do you think Lyric first rappers need to do to stay culturally relevant without compromising the craft.
Papoose
I think just be be themselves, man. I think nobody could do you better than you, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're the only one with your DNA, and you got to utilize that. Sometimes people try to go outside of themselves and you cheating yourself because you could have just been yourself. And you never know what the outcome could be. So to answer the question is just be yourself, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
So when you. When you write today, are you just trying to out rap everybody? Are you just more focused on saying something meaningful because you've always said meaningful.
Papoose
Things in your lives too? Nah, man, it's just I study the craft. I practice my craft so long that it comes out like that. Pause. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to outrap nobody. It happens naturally, you know what I'm saying?
DJ Envy
To be honest, is there a lane for that now? What you mean lyricism in rap?
Papoose
Yes, always. It's timeless.
DJ Envy
Okay, so who would you say that? You look at that now and say, okay, I see what they're doing. Because before, you would see an artist like a Nas, a Jay, and you could say a Kendrick, a Drake. But in the new generation, who do you see that's like, oh, he's that. And can still make hits and still do the same thing, right?
Papoose
Well, it's a kid out of Staten Island. I never can remember his fucking name, man. Every time I'm in front of a camera, they ask me who I like. And this nigga is dope as hell, but nobody don't talk about him. But I'm gonna get his name, that kid. I like a couple of the young artists. I like what you call it, man. I like the girl. What's the girl name that be rapping that you be playing sometimes? No, the other one, she dope as hell, I think. Mellow Brook, Mellow Brooke.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, yeah.
Papoose
I like her energy. I like what's the kid out of New York name? Man, I can't remember their names, but I like a couple different.
Charlamagne Tha God
There's a bunch of lyricist, Ruben Vincent, you know, Marco, plus Chris Patrick. Like, these dudes can really, really rap.
Papoose
I mean, like I said, it's timeless, bro. It's timeless. In my opinion, it ain't going nowhere.
Ben
Now, I know the project is all about saving hip hop, but at the end of your visual, you basically flip it where it's like, you can't save hip hop. And one of the things that you show without giving too much of it is the conversation around, like, you know, the drugs and things that infiltrated the culture. So first of all, I guess, you know, obvious question is, why would you. Why include that? And then second question to that is, if we can't save hip hop, then what's your real mission? Like, how are you?
Papoose
So, you know, I think that played a major part to the demise about a culture of our hip hop. You know, rest in peace to guys like Mac Miller, young artists who just dying from drug overdose. I think all of those things, man, where they glorified using drugs and you got kids ODing on it. So I just wanted to shine a light on that and create awareness to talk about it. And as far as at the ending when I said, you know, can't save them, you know, you got to watch part two to see the. Continue to get the conclusion of that. But that's how I feel sometimes, man. Like when I'm. When I say I'm on a journey to save hip hop, I'm a part of the culture. Like, I live this for real. So anytime I step in front of the microphone, that's my goal, to elevate the game. But it feels helpless sometimes, man. You know what I'm saying?
DJ Envy
So how do we change that? Right? Because of course, hip hop took a turn, right? Where the sellers became the users and that whole thing. But it was still a place where there was negativity in hip hop which kind of hurt hip hop, right? Didn't have to be OD and brothers getting to jail, but I felt like there is a strong line of negative and positive when it comes to it. You feel like that positive is not being heard anymore.
Papoose
Nah, it's not even that. I just feel like, you know, I feel like negative and positive exists in life, period. Sometimes people put too much on hip hop. Like they gotta stop. And if a cat gets. If a cat gets stuck in the tree, all these rappers rapping about cats getting stuck in the trees. This is why this happening, you know, I'm saying, like, I feel like people blame hip hop for things that actually go on in America. America has a problem with. With violence and all that. When hip hop was positive, I seen negativity going on, so I don't blame hip hop for those things, actually. I feel like hip hop saved a lot of lives, you know, I'm saying, you know, how many jobs y' all wouldn't even be sitting here if it wasn't for hip hop. So when people like to blame hip hop for negative things, you know, I don't. I don't look at it like that. I look at it like we have those issues living in this country, period.
Charlamagne Tha God
I saw Robin Roberts ask 50 that about the Diddy Doc. She was like, is this an indictment of hip hop or something? Like what hip hop got to do with nothing.
Papoose
Right, Right. Yeah. See, they always dragging hip, if you notice that.
DJ Envy
And I think no other genre.
Papoose
No, I think part of the reason why that happened is because they don't like that, you know, black billionaires and millionaires are being made out of this. So I think while we got our own kind putting hip hop down so much, they need to be aware of that.
Charlamagne Tha God
How is your perspective on the streets change, pap. Now that you're, you know, older and just more reflective because, you know, as soon as you walked in and we wanted to remind you of when you used to put hands on people, you.
DJ Envy
Know, I didn't say. I didn't say it like that.
Charlamagne Tha God
You did say it. No, no.
Papoose
What was your question?
Charlamagne Tha God
How was your perspective on the streets changed?
Papoose
Oh, when you say streets change, what you mean, though?
Charlamagne Tha God
Just in just being. Just being an older person can reflect on, you know, how things used to be, things we used to glorify.
Papoose
That's a fact. That's a fact. Yeah. I respect it, man. I respect and I love Grove. I think it's very important I embrace it. I'm all about positivity, bro. You know what I'm saying? If you look at me, you know what I mean? You see me like Emby said, I got my history, but when they really put the light on me, I said, what black love? Something positive, man. I don't wear that. The street shit on my sleeve. I don't need to, you know what I'm saying? I always showcase my talent, you know what I mean? And something positive about uplifting our people.
Charlamagne Tha God
So if you could speak to these young men who idolize discreet life, what would you tell them about the real cost.
Papoose
Yeah, I would say don't. Don't do it. It's not worth it. You know what I'm saying? What I always tell my young brothers who I see in the street, and I always try to point this out to them, you know, look at you. Look at. Look around at your crew. And I got to be honest with them all. Y' all not gonna make it out. You know how many. You know how many individuals I grew up with when I was younger? They're not here no more. I'm sure you got homies like that. They, like, they literally lost their lives. And at the time when y' all was together, y' all was hanging out, y' all was running in the street. You never thought that they would be gone. So I always tell them, yo, look around. Some one of y' all or two or maybe three, y' all not gonna make it. It might be you. So if you think that's worth it, continue in the street. But it. It's not worth it, bro. So, you know, get out of that.
Ben
You mentioned black love earlier. I know Clarissa's here as well, but I wanted to go back to that. I wanted to go back to that time period because I feel like for the longest time prior to your relationship now, you and Remy were like the emblem of black love positivity. And then everything just switched publicly. And I know you talk about even in hip hop, like, you know how things are thrown on hip hop and thrown on us negatively. When that moment was happening publicly with you and Remy, what was papoose feeling? Because it was so positive for so long, and it kind of just changed everything. What were you feeling as everything started to, you know, happen online?
Papoose
It was corny. It was corny. It's always corny to do social media shit. You know what I'm saying? Who wants that? Who wants to be a part of the circus? So I just felt like it was corny.
DJ Envy
You got attacked for black love early on.
Clarissa Shields
Wow.
Papoose
Somebody said it.
DJ Envy
No, you did.
Ben
Yeah.
DJ Envy
No, we used to have conversations about.
Papoose
What love and why we show love.
DJ Envy
We had, you know, behind the scenes conversation. But you got attacked for it. When you got attacked for. Why did you think you got attacked for showing and expressing love to the individual you were with? Like, why do you think that happened and why?
Papoose
It's a couple going, it's a couple different things. So initially, when she became incarcerated, they was killing me. It was like, yo, he holding her down. He's an idiot. He's done all this, right? I didn't care, though, because that's. That was my real life at the time. And then as it progressed, one time, Double XL had reached out to me, and it was like, yo, we want to follow you one day and document your journey. Like, what's going on with you? And they followed me to the supermarket. I went and got groceries for her, you know what I'm saying? Then I went on the visit, brought the grocery. They sat on a visit with me, and they put out that article. When they put out that article, it kind of changed. The outlook kind of changed for. For a hot second, everybody was like, wow. They couldn't believe it, and it was cool. I kept going. But what you kind of talking about is when we did unloving hip hop, that's when you think the change happened. Yeah, yeah. Well, you had mixed. It was mixed, you know what I'm saying? Like, the women were embracing it, but I go through the toll booth and I go get a dude my money. Cause they ain't have the easy pass back, right? And he'd be like, oh, man, you up my household, man. My woman told me I need.
Charlamagne Tha God
By being a good man.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah.
Papoose
My woman told me I need to be more like you. Like, it should change, you know what I'm saying? So the dudes was always hating, but the women, older women, all different age groups, they always embraced it.
Ben
And then you did your own spin off, the black love spinoff, which you guys had more creative control over at the time, right?
Papoose
Yeah.
Clarissa Shields
Why?
Ben
So if you felt like kind of the tide was changing when you guys got on reality tv, why was it important for you to do that, like, second installment?
Papoose
Because, you know, the opportunity was there to show more of us. You know, when you're in love and hip hop, you just got, like, a segment, you know what I'm saying? So it was just that. And people wanted to see more of us at that time. So he was like, all right, cool, let's do it. I think we did the holiday special first, and then it went from there. But going back to what you were saying earlier, like, when I first shot it, I was like, oh, they about to kill me, man, when this come out. Because people never saw that side of me, you know what I'm saying? But it was surprisingly, people embraced it. I think the world was tired of seeing our culture getting put down, drinks getting thrown on each other, and just the. The bad stigma on our relationships, you know what I'm saying?
DJ Envy
Do you ever regret it at all, putting that much of your life on camera?
Papoose
I don't, I don't regret it at all. Because it was real. It wasn't like nothing was rehearsed, nothing was scripted. People just saw what was going on at that time.
DJ Envy
But, you know, the thing with it is like, I get it. But now people are so dialed into your life.
Ben
Yeah.
DJ Envy
So now there is no moment where it's like, hold on, let me figure this out. Because now they're like, nah, you showed me this. You showed me the baby. You showed me the one year old party. You showed me the dance.
Papoose
I love that.
DJ Envy
You showed me this.
Papoose
I love that.
DJ Envy
But then when it's like, when you say, you know what, I need to take a break, they like, nah, you.
Clarissa Shields
Can'T take a break.
Papoose
Oh, no, no. I love it. I'll tell you why. See, this is what happens with celebrities. And I kind of said this before, when it's all good, right? When y' all buying into our careers, y' all watching the TV show, y' all coming to the performances, the appearances, the walkthroughs. I bring you in the room when my daughter is born, you come to the wedding, you see everything. Right? Okay. And then soon as something happened with these celebrities, what's the first thing they say? Y' all don't know me like that. Y' all don't know what's going on in my life.
Clarissa Shields
Correct.
Papoose
So I'm glad that I gave y' all an open book so when someone wants to lie on me. You guys have been there all along. Y' all seen this shit, so that's all you know. I mean, I, I, I embrace that.
Charlamagne Tha God
How much is too much to tell?
Papoose
We signed up for this, bro. We signed up for. You can't, you can't want people to say, you can't open the door to your life and then want to close it when you, when you don't did some. And you don't want nobody to know what's really going on. So that's what's happening with these celebrities. But I'll tell you this, though. I got a new queen in my life, man. And she's one of the best things that ever happened to me.
DJ Envy
I think we know her.
Charlamagne Tha God
Do you think hip hop does enough to model healthy love and accountability between men and women? What you mean just in general? Like, do you think we show enough of those type of healthy relationships?
Papoose
No, I think honestly, and I don't want to do the Soulja Boy, but I think after we did it, it became cool. I felt like people were ashamed to show love to their significant other, they was hiding. And then once, you know, our situation transpired, everybody wanted to be in public with a significant other, which is a good thing. And I was proud of that because we need powerful black families to stick together.
Charlamagne Tha God
To your point, though, you know, that was a thing. Like, they would literally be like, don't tell nobody you got a girlfriend. Don't tell you wedding ring off. Like, that was an industry thing.
Papoose
I see where you going. Like, even when you. When you. Especially a major label, you had to seem available. Why y' all don't want them to know we got the family structure, you know what I'm saying? So I think it was always cool to hide that. And rappers were scared to death to show it because they don't want the side chick to know that they got a wife at home. So they, you know. But like I said, it became cool after that, after us.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think that hurt hip hop, too, because it didn't allow people to grow and tell their real stories.
Papoose
You couldn't be who you. Who you really were, right? Even me, I kept it a buck with y'. All. When I. When. When they first showed it and they showed the. I said, they about to kill me. You know what I'm saying? But it didn't happen like that.
Charlamagne Tha God
Now, there was one thing that came out of that, and you said you wrote 90% of Remy's raps, including Conceited. Was that true?
Papoose
No comment, man. You know what I'm saying? I wish her the best. And that's all I'm gonna say, you know what I'm saying? Like I said earlier, I never wanted to be a part of that. But sometimes your hand is forced, you know what I'm saying? And you gotta do what you gotta do. But I wish her the best, man. You know? I mean, I got an amazing best friend in my life right now, and we happy, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
Can you pull up a chair for somebody? Pull up a chair, man.
Papoose
Pull up a chair.
DJ Envy
Somebody said, you know, that was a depressing me, that it was a hard time because we know y'.
Clarissa Shields
All. Yeah.
DJ Envy
You know what I mean?
Papoose
So it's like, no, but y' all know us. But sometimes people pretend like they don't know us. That's what get on my nerves, I.
Ben
Think, from most people, like, what happened.
Papoose
Like, I mean, like I said, y' all was there every step of the way. Y' all was there when I was riding up there to the prison. Y' all seen me fighting court officers getting thrown out of the courtroom. It was it was in the newspapers. You know what I'm saying? Y' all seen everything. How can I come to y' all and say something didn't happen? Y' all gotta stop, man. Like, come on. So I think during that time.
DJ Envy
Well, I know for myself, I just wanted y' all to fix it, because I've known y' all so long and not fix the relationship, just the friendship, the parenting. Just fix that part. That's what.
Clarissa Shields
That's.
DJ Envy
That was the most important thing, right?
Clarissa Shields
That. That takes time. Like, it's. It's a divorce. It's not something that just happens overnight. You know what I'm saying? But people. Life don't stop because of that. You know what I mean? It's papers. It's time. It's all this stuff that got to happen. But at the end of the day, we move forward with our lives.
Papoose
Like, I wish it. Like I said, I wish you the best. We got some great, amazing things going on. Like I said, this is my best friend right here, man. We. We living our life.
Clarissa Shields
We've been together over a year and a half now. It'll be two years next year in September. We. At the end of the year. Some of this stuff is just so old, you know? It's so old to talk about, to bring up, to keep harping on it. It's like they're separated. She got somebody, too. Like, don't act like you're just over here. Like, she's happy, we're happy, and that's it. Like, I don't know.
DJ Envy
Is it cordial? Is it cordial? Are you just like, Nah, I'm just. It is what it is.
Papoose
I'm always culture, bro. I'm called you with everybody. Like, come on, bro. I'm not problematic, man. You know? Y' all know this stuff, man. Yeah. Can I ask y' all a question? Man, You've evolved. Let me just go out and say, why would something happen? Y' all, like, y' all know people like.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like every.
Papoose
I know Envy like cars and We Got Dogs. He's a dj. He from Queens. So when somebody come over here and say, I saw Envy doing X Y. I've been watching this 20 something years. I never heard that next to his name. Like, certain things, they can't put on your jacket, you know what I'm saying? I know Charlemagne. He. He speaks about mental health. You know, I mean, he's into different things. He's into his relationship with his wife. So, sir, like, if I've been watching this, man, 15 years, like, certain Things I might hear. Charlemagne did that, man. If a tell me a was up here rapping and Charlamagne told the to his face, you whack. But I think that's what I'm gonna say.
Clarissa Shields
He did that. You can't hold.
Papoose
Let me finish. You can't just come with some left field that I never heard in 20 years of me following this man career since he was on Wendy Williams, right? Nah, that. That don't go with him.
DJ Envy
Rumor Papua's punching somebody in the face, I believe.
Papoose
Doing that to Patience.
Clarissa Shields
I'm saying.
ER (Rapper from London)
I don't care what I'm saying.
Ben
Wait, Pap. Like, to your point. And, champ, I know you mentioned, like, it's old, but I think the reason why people bring it back up is because we saw so much and we knew you. And then when everything happened, there's claims of, like, you cheating and, like, all.
Papoose
These things, but that's what I'm saying. So, like, if it's a new artist, I get it. We don't know him. All these years incarcerated or. That should never been on my name ever.
Clarissa Shields
You can't just ask.
Papoose
Y' all was out here with me. I was coming to the old school.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm gonna tell you something. That is a good point that Pat making, because, come on, all them years she was incarcerated, we never heard of a shut up. Out in the street.
Papoose
All of a sudden, boom, out of nowhere, an asteroid hit. Like, come on, man.
Ben
So that didn't happen because she said she had, like, got into it with somebody over some allegations.
Papoose
And like I said, man, I wish her the best, man. Me speaking about that, it goes into, like, a whole. And I ain't here to do that. You know what I mean?
Ben
And, Clarissa, I know on your side of it, like, people always, like, push back because it's like, he's still married, and he's this and he's that. You're like, they're separated. We're happy for you. Trying to move forward in this new relationship. Like, how tough is that when that conversation comes up for you?
Clarissa Shields
I don't know why they act like people don't get divorced. It's the craziest thing to me. Like, everything. The. The most thing that happens in life, people act like we don't. We don't understand is breakups and relationships. You can never. You never gonna break up with your family because they your blood. You got to deal with them. Your mom, your daddy, your crazy sister, your outrageous cousin. But when it comes to relationship that breaks up all the time, marriages in all the time. Divorces happen. I don't know why. It's like, oh, divorce is. Is impossible. When they don't. When it's divorce filed public, whatever the heck that was. It's like. And we're together all the time, every single day. EBONY Awards, fights, walkouts at home, cooking. Like, I don't. I don't know. It just. Maybe it's just. It's. It's actually this. It's harder for the fans that followed them to let go than it is for. For them. I. I feel like.
Charlamagne Tha God
Gotcha.
Papoose
I will say this, though. I will say this because I don't think this is wrong towards anybody. I will say this. None of that shit was true, man. None of it. All of that was fugazi. I come from a big family. Like, if you. If you really follow me and you're not just around for the gossip, you see my daughter, you see my sisters, you see my mother, you see so many beautiful women in my life who love me to death. I mean, not only because I was there for them when they need me. I fought all they battles. I don't just do it for the person that I'm with. I do this for my children. Like, I don't. I've had to put hands on my daughter's boyfriends to protect them. I'm being honest. I'm a protector, bro, and the provider. So anything outside of that, it doesn't. It doesn't go with me. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's very impossible. My grandmother has 17 kids, man. So I got over 90 cousins, a very big family. And my family looked to me for those things I'm saying, as a provider and a supporter and all of that. So it's hard to put that on. It's like, it doesn't go.
DJ Envy
But I think the main thing. I think it doesn't add up when the fans follow your life. And like you said, we don't know what goes on. We only know what we see. And then all of a sudden, on Tuesday, we start seeing these tweets and these Instagram posts.
Papoose
We like, what the. But that's not how it happened, though. See, that's what I'm. That's another one. I know, but you said it earlier, right? You said, yo, Pat, put hands on somebody. Right? Y' all seen all of this happen right in front of your face.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. And you rap about it.
Papoose
None of this was said when that's all this was going on. See that? Y' all making me get into this I don't want to do it.
Ben
I'm trying to figure out clarity because, like, there's, like, so many questions. Because it's like, one day, literally, you just wake up, and then, boom, we're in. We're in.
Papoose
But that's not what happened, though. I don't know why y' all starting it from there.
Ben
Okay, so let's back up, because what you're referring to is the allegations that she was cheating.
Papoose
I don't. I don't even want to. Like I said, I wish her the best. I got nothing bad to say about her.
Clarissa Shields
But that's not where.
Papoose
Let me make that. No, but I think y'.
Clarissa Shields
All.
Papoose
I think y' all know y' all just want to get amnesia.
Clarissa Shields
Everybody knows that before I came into the picture, it. Now it's just these two in the picture. Y' all know where it started. It had. I had nothing to do with anything as far as in. When me and him got together, he was. He was already separated. So y' all know what happened before that.
Ben
So what. What I'm.
Charlamagne Tha God
I got the green. I beat rappers up for go.
Papoose
Green. Available all digital platforms out now.
Clarissa Shields
Man, get bars on Wheel, Dragon, save hip hop.
Papoose
So you trying to tell me that when those. When the day she referring to you turn to me. That's the first day you heard about this. You ain't see. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on a second. You ain't see everything that was going on for a whole year before that. The battle, the whole.
DJ Envy
I'm tell you why.
Papoose
Why y' all only want to start.
Ben
You said you didn't want to go there.
Papoose
It's very confusing because I didn't even know how that was going on.
DJ Envy
No, before. Before Clarissa was in the picture. You hear rumors, but then when you look at your lives, you don't see any. You don't see any turbulence. Turbulence. So it's not like you see anything or you hear anything. You know, I held it down. Even when I heard rumors, I would reach out to Joe just like, yo, just checking on and making sure. Just checking on.
Charlamagne Tha God
Good.
DJ Envy
He was like, bro, they good. So I didn't hear him too. But so you know, with rumors. Cause they say rumors all the time. I mean, the rumors. Charlamagne gay. We know he ain't not well, I don't know. But there's rumors all the time. So it's like when you didn't. Y' all didn't confirm or deny. I'm like, all right, cool. And then when that day happened, on the tweets, it still was like.
Charlamagne Tha God
But before the tweets, before the tweets, we heard that Pat put hands on.
Ben
The guy in the battle rap.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
Ben
And even that. I tried, Tried to figure that out. I reached out to certain people that was facilitating things and no one would comment on it. So we can't. It's like, what do we speak to? And that's why now you're here and we're asking you, like, okay, so what was before that? Because there were allegations that she was dealing with the block. Easy. The block captain guy, prior to us seeing them together, whatever the situation is now with them. Was that what was happening?
Papoose
I mean, you said it yourself. You heard that, you saw the allegations. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not here to bash her man, or say anything about it.
Clarissa Shields
He not the type to talk. Pap. Don't do a lot of talking. Like, I got a way bigger mouth than him.
Papoose
Okay.
Clarissa Shields
I mean, like, no deal. Whatever you want to say, whatever how you want to put it, but he's not like that. Like, he's. He's really like about, like family and friendship and fixing things. Like, he's. He's really about that. You know, I'm saying, like us as women. Well, women, yeah. We will tell it all because. Because I love the truth piece of.
Charlamagne Tha God
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DJ Envy
Hey, what up y'?
Papoose
All?
DJ Envy
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Narrator/Announcer
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Clarissa Shields
Max, you know what I'm saying? I put the truth out there. And the thing is like, when like come to the truth, it's like he likes to keep his stuff and handle his stuff privately, you know what I'm saying, and respect this stuff. And he's always going to be like that, you know what I'm saying? He's not ever going to change. Even now, like, this whole conversation is like y' all getting a lot out of him because he don't do this. He don't. Because he's moved so forward. We're like just so happy. And he just, whatever happened, happened. We all know that you go through things through it. We all been through a breakup before. You may not been through a divorce, but you've been through a breakup. Been with my for a long time. You got to go through your own stuff. He's healed, he's moved on and he just in a better place. So it's just like with that when people put stuff on your name like, oh, you want to defend it. But even him, he don't even want to defend it because he like, he is who he is.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
Papoose
I mean, you know, like I said, who wants to be a part of the circus, man?
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, Nobody. Nobody be a part of circus.
Papoose
When you ever saw us doing that? Never happened before.
Clarissa Shields
I had a movie coming out. I definitely didn't want to be a Part of it. My movie dropped just a couple days on Christmas, Christmas Day. I was like, what?
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, that was.
Clarissa Shields
I'm like, oh, my. I was losing my mind. I'm like, what going on here? So even me, I'm like, let me just get far away from this as possible. But I'm still with him. You know what I'm saying?
Charlamagne Tha God
So now I hit Clarissa, like, promote that movie now.
Clarissa Shields
But it's like, you know, okay, all right, Boom. I'm in a different. I'm in a different tax bracket than that to have to use that to promote my movie. My movie did well. It's still doing well. It's up on Prime Video if you haven't seen it. The Fire Inside. But I don't want my name connected to stuff like that. I never have before. This thing with him, you never seen. You might see me into a couple little beefs online with a couple fighters and stuff like that, but you never seen nothing about, like, relationship, being with a dude who got somebody. You never seen that. I'm not type of woman. If a man with me, he with me. I don't do second place. I never have. I got two Olympic gold medals, 19 world championships. Why would I have to be second place to. To another woman for, like, what do I look like? You know what I'm saying? So, hey, look, that's my thing of.
Papoose
Like, bars on wheels. A journey to save hip hop out now. Produced by my brother Sean. Two miles, by the way. He did the whole project.
Charlamagne Tha God
What is Win? What is. When is Win a a record label? Is it a sports agency?
Papoose
When records is a record label and we do a lot of great things, man. Actually, we've been doing a lot of concerts, so. A lot of concerts you see with a lot of your favorite rappers. You might not know it, but it's by Wind Records. We got some amazing artists. Shout out to Khadijah, the whole family. My brother, Big Rube. And recently, we just did the big deal with Clarissa, you know what I'm saying? Along with Salita Promotions. So we're doing a lot of big things.
DJ Envy
I want to ask, you know, you talk about it before. That papoose is different than anybody you ever dated before.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah.
DJ Envy
What makes him different? What's different from anything that you've seen before as far as himself? What did you see different that you didn't see in any other man?
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm going to show you a picture. It's gonna be your fault.
DJ Envy
I'm not talking about physically.
Clarissa Shields
It just. He's like he's like the cheat code to life almost, you know what I'm saying? It's like he been at the top, he signed big deals, you know what I'm saying? He's had kids, he's done the whole thing. And then like when it comes to our relationship, it's just like he's already know what to do and. And he know how to deal with me. I'm not easy to deal with and I. And I can say that because I. I seclude myself from like friends and family and everybody. Just keep everybody away from me. Because where I'm trying to go in my life is so big. It's like anybody getting my way, even a little bit, I'm like a dog. I bite your head off. He knows how to keep me calm.
DJ Envy
It's the first time you ever seen jealousy in a relationship because you are a star, you are a world champion.
Clarissa Shields
I have seen jealousy in a lot of my relationships, but. But not. But not here. It's probably because he both pisces his birthday March 5, my March 17. But it's like he's just so supportive. I like that you like, he's a nice guy, but he also is a guy like that you don't mess with. I hate a guy who talk like he can fight, but he can't fight. Like he can rap, but he also too can put you on your ass if you need to. I don't gotta. I don't gotta. Whenever I'm. When I'm walking with Pep, it's like he my security guard, you know what I'm saying? I just be chilling. I wish the would.
Charlamagne Tha God
I think both of y', all, you know, dominate in. In disciplines, right? That. That demand extra focus. Like you need to be extra focused for what you do. You gotta have to focus for what you do. How do you support each other's greatness without competing for space?
Papoose
Naturally, man, naturally. I've been a fan of her before I even met her. Like, I'm a. I'm a big boxing fan. So when I met her, I was like, oh, that's Clarissa Shields. So the fan, to be honest with you, like the fan in me is like, damn.
Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
Papoose
I gotta make sure I can help and add on because, you know, we're dealing with knowledge itself. We always. You gotta add on, yo. I need to add on in many ways as I can. But then when I'm able to meet her and fall in love with her, it's like a whole different level of caring and concern. So I naturally Want to see her win. And I feel like it's the same vice versa.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, I'm like a little assistant, you know, when he was shooting his video, the Bars on Wheels, I brought him food, you know, I helped him change it to his police outfit. I'm getting behind the scenes footage. I'm Jackson. Hey, do you need anything? I'm more of like, people got to understand when, like come to relationship. When it's your time to have your. Like to have your time, that's your time. And when it's the other person's time, it's nothing wrong with you taking a back seat to your person because like, you really right there, you like you beside them anyway. But it's like the better he do, the better we do. The better I do, the better we do.
Papoose
It's.
Clarissa Shields
It's a team thing. I don't know why this whole relationship thing, I. I get it, you know, women want to be pampered, all this stuff like that. But I'm in a lane in the field in boxing where I've always taken care of myself when I say taking care of myself, get my hair done, get my nails done, buy myself the clothes I want. You know, I've always been a lane like that. I'm happy that now he do a lot of it right. But it's still like, I'm still going to take care of. Take. I'm still gonna take care of myself. And I require what I require. So it's like, oh, if you don't get my nails done, I'm not getting my nails done. Like, what type of crap is that? Like, I've always had my own and he got his own. And together we just like, just feed off of each other. Like when he goes to the studio, he may be going to the studio for him, but I'm sitting back there, I'm watching him. I'm like, well, I'm trying to. I'm doing my little rapping stuff too. So I'm learning. Then I'm like, hey, I gotta be. When you get done with that one, let me go in here and do this one. And it's like some of the stuff I do was good. And then some stuff he just was like, it's cool to have that, you.
Charlamagne Tha God
Know what I'm saying?
Clarissa Shields
And we do so much together. Like, he hit the pads. Like, y' all always seem holding the pads to me, but that's because he don't want y' all to see what he really working with. Why, why he hit the pads Now I gotta ask.
DJ Envy
No disrespect, Pat, right?
Clarissa Shields
Oh, here you go.
DJ Envy
You issued a hundred thousand dollar open challenge in December.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, I did that Christmas time this year.
DJ Envy
How many rounds I gotta make it out around with you to get? 100,000? I got six kids, so how many rounds I gotta make it out to get that 100,000?
Papoose
You said you got a. I gotta win. That's crazy right now.
DJ Envy
I thought I could run a couple rounds.
Clarissa Shields
It was like these girls, like, well, how much do I get if I don't get knocked out? How much do I get if, you know, I do. Okay. It's like we giving out participation awards now. I didn't know we did.
DJ Envy
So I gotta win.
Clarissa Shields
You got to kick my ass.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what I hate, Clarissa? I hate how people disrespect the science of box.
Clarissa Shields
They stupid.
Charlamagne Tha God
Like, you don't play boxing. Like, you don't just get in that ring with somebody. You can die.
Clarissa Shields
Yep.
Papoose
That's.
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what's gonna happen tomorrow night? Anthony, Joshua, Jake, Paul. Like, that really should not. All jokes aside, that should not happen. Nope.
Clarissa Shields
You know, but boxing is in a weird space. Like, boxing is in a space right now that if Lauren woke up tomorrow was like, I want to fight Clarissa. They'd be like, let's do a pay per view. Let's do it like boxing.
Papoose
Because it's a popularity contest. It was about the sweet science. Like you said before.
Ben
What's the craziest? Like, because you announced that you got to do the four fights for $80 million, right?
Clarissa Shields
Eight. Eight fights.
Papoose
I like.
Clarissa Shields
I like when you mess up and say 87. I always do it. We speaking into it.
Ben
I know last time I did it, she was like, girl, it's eight, $8 million.
Clarissa Shields
Right.
Ben
So what's the craziest? Like, hey, I think I'm interested in doing this fight with Clarissa. I saw that she has some fights that she got to get out the way offer that you've had come your way. Like, who's the most random person that we'd never think of?
Clarissa Shields
It's like a.
Ben
A boxer don't even got to be a boxer because now it's influencers getting in the ring.
Clarissa Shields
Oh, I don't get crazy calls like that. Like, people really don't want to get in there with me. For real.
DJ Envy
I don't play with her.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, no, no.
Ben
I saw some of the Zeus girls trying to, you know, not.
Charlamagne Tha God
They want to die.
Clarissa Shields
You want to get trained.
Ben
Okay.
Clarissa Shields
Because I thought it was to get trained.
Papoose
Oh, train. Okay.
Ben
Who, which, which girl was it?
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, the real fighter or the Zeus fight?
Ben
No, the Zeus girls. One of the Zeus girls that was trying to act like she wanted to get in the ring. And then it turned around where you were up there training somebody else. I think you were training Diamond Body. Who were you training? You were training. I thought there were. I thought that that started because a girl was acting like she wanted to get in a ring with you and you were saying that they didn't give you insurance, she wasn't going to do it.
Clarissa Shields
Not I'm trying to figure out. So this whole hundred thousand dollar challenge been around for like years. That's a fact I think I talked about.
Papoose
She had the whole deck before I.
Clarissa Shields
Got like a deck. It's gonna be a reality TV show. Like I got like a whole thing. So it's been a thing for a while. Every time I mention it, you get like a bunch of girls who never fought saying that they want to fight me. A couple baddies saying, oh, I love to try it, but can you train? Blah, blah, blah. But the only girl who's ever really like, tried to get inside the ring with me and disres, like, disrespectfully was the girl I beat up on. You was the girl I beat up at the gym that one time. Fantastic. And honestly, if I can go back to that time sometime, I think in Internet world everybody got such a big mouth, right? Because y' all can sit up in here, y' all got. You got security at the door, maybe you guys, but either way, go. They can just run their mouth and don't and don't get touched. They, they go in the room and set up their camera and talk about everybody call them out their names, I'm not their fangs, about their clothes, they hair, and don't nothing happen. The thing about me is I'm a real fighter. So I felt like I needed to make an example out of her. And I've opened the door. Like, listen, if any girl come to the gym or any girl want to fight me for the honey K, you come to my gym. The fastest way to get your ass whooped is, is to come to my gym while I'm training for a real fight. That's the fast way. I had her out of there in 30 seconds.
DJ Envy
We see it, she looked crazy.
Clarissa Shields
But it's like, if any other girl think that they're gonna come, I want to set an example. Like, no matter where we at, listen, I don't want to put my hands on you because I know what I can do, but I'm not taking disrespect from nobody because these. These hands do fly. And up at heavyweight, I've been and put a on her back. So I don't. I don't like people like that. So it's like, that was that reason that I did that. And I go and I. If I can go back in time, I think I'll do it again.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hold on. I want to ask you about your fight that you got coming up on February 22nd, but what happens. What happens in the Jake Paul Anthony Joshua fight?
Clarissa Shields
I told Pep last night, I said, listen, I know boxing is in a weird space, but I swear to God, if Anthony Joshua lose to Jake Paul.
Charlamagne Tha God
Come on, Clarissa.
Clarissa Shields
Which I think there's. There's no way in hell.
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
Clarissa Shields
Like. Like, did you see what did to Francis and Ghana? But I'm saying if. If Jake Paul get his hand raised over Anthony Joshua, I'm flying to the UK myself, and I'm gonna punch Anthony Joshua as hard as I can in this jaw. Jesus Christ. Like, you. You. You better not. It's gonna be so, like, one. I don't understand how this fight is happening. It's like, just like in my mind, I'm like, how is this happening?
Charlamagne Tha God
But the money.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, the money. But it's like, come on, man. Come on.
Papoose
Like, money. How can you turn it down?
Charlamagne Tha God
They say we're getting 90 million a piece. That's what they say.
Clarissa Shields
That's what they say.
Charlamagne Tha God
The person is 90 million a piece.
Clarissa Shields
I don't know. And you teach, what's the reason for fighting if you make a 90 million a piece?
DJ Envy
If it.
Clarissa Shields
I mean, I made 90 million. Y' all not gonna see me no more.
Papoose
It's over.
Clarissa Shields
Promise. I'm out of here.
DJ Envy
You teased us a little bit, though. We really thought that you were. Yeah. That you and Layla Ali were planning this together. We thought it was like putting these videos out. We thought we was like, oh, they gonna announce at the last video, they gonna say they fighting this date and then.
Papoose
Nah. Yeah, I seen you trying to make sense.
Clarissa Shields
I would have loved that.
DJ Envy
Damn. It was a good setup.
Clarissa Shields
But, you know, we turned down 15 million. You know what I'm saying?
Ben
Still nothing.
Clarissa Shields
Like, no, Listen, I'm fighting February 22nd against Franchian Cruzern. This is our rematch. French on Cruz is a great fighter. Very, very, very skilled. I think some of y' all on here. Do y' all know Shadasha Green or whatever? Well, well, well, well. Hell, yeah. Franchise Green Keep that in mind, we want to erase history, but history don't erase, especially when it's in black and white. That's like saying, I don't got two Olympic gold medals, but today she got her ass by Franchine Cruz. And now I'm fighting Franchise Cruz. And I think she didn't want this fight to happen between me and Franchise, because now it sheds light on. You lost already. Stop talking like you undefeated and you a star player. When you was warming the bench, Coach put you in, and you. The game up, you lost.
DJ Envy
They should be on your ass.
Charlamagne Tha God
Is she gonna be one of those.
DJ Envy
Four fights on your ass? Please fight you so bad.
Clarissa Shields
And guess what? She gonna get her ass whooped like the rest of them should. They should. Oh, she all husky and all that, man, please. I'm. I know boxing, for real. And when she was 190, I was kicking her ass. So I don't know why she think that. Oh, now she with Jake Paul, and she's husky, and she like.
Papoose
I was trying not to laugh.
Clarissa Shields
Get out of here.
Papoose
It's a confidence, let me just say.
DJ Envy
Cause how you deal with your haters.
Papoose
I'm telling you, bro, I'm being honest with you. I think. Cause she got people that love and support her. Like, she do great things with children, all kind of stuff, right? But I think her haters, I think they intimidated by her confidence. I think it's a beautiful thing, man, just to see a woman that confident. I hope the next generation be inspired to be confident. Like, I always walk humble, and she tried to get me out of that. But I really do admire her confidence, man. I'm watching it. I'm like, this is why they mad.
DJ Envy
Y' all ever spar at this store? No.
Papoose
She killed me, man. Come on.
Clarissa Shields
You know.
DJ Envy
You know, sparred.
Papoose
You put it on my spot. I stay in my lane, man.
Clarissa Shields
I'm not telling him. I really have to show you what I got. For real. Cause when I get inside the ring of Spar, it's like, no name, no face.
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn.
Clarissa Shields
So it was like, I love him dearly like this.
DJ Envy
Just gonna put him on his ass.
Clarissa Shields
He's gonna hit me back for sure.
Papoose
But you know what?
Charlamagne Tha God
I knew Clarissa was really crazy when I saw her sparring with men and one of the men dropped you, I'm like, oh, they not taking it easy on her. Like, she really in there banging with it.
Clarissa Shields
I love that you brought that up. Right? And I'm gonna speak on this briefly. Out of 19 years at my whole boxing, out of my Whole boxing time. Boxing. I've been dropped twice, both in a week of each other. First week was by that guy who you talking about, who gloves was worn and he barely had no padding in them. Right. And then the next week when I fought my world championship fight against Hannah Gabriels, those are the only two times in my career where I was dropped ever. So now that we speaking about that, this dude that I sparred was a nobody, right? And everybody's somebody, but he was a nobody. I already had pieced him up the week before. And I hate that people think. And then. So. So you said it correct. I got dropped. I didn't get knocked out.
Charlamagne Tha God
No.
Clarissa Shields
You know, from the footage that people be posting. Oh, I got dropped and I was laying there. 1. I probably never been hit that hard with, with like a bare knuckle before. And that's. And that's what happened. But as I got back up, I spotted another guy. Four rounds, Harold, who was highly ranked at 140 pounds, 147 pounds. And then when I got out, I spotted the first guy first who dropped me. He dropped me like in the third, fourth round, he got out. I sparred Harold four rounds. And then he got in with Harold and sparred Harold when he got out and he sparred Harold, Harold said, hey man, what's up with your gloves? Because you wasn't hitting like that last week. We all had sparred the week before. So now that he said that, I go up to the guy myself and I grab his gloves and I'm like, what the hell? It's literally nothing in them. It's. It's like worn gloves. It's literally no pattern. So now me, as a fighter who've been doing this all my life, I done sparred against the biggest and the heaviest men you can think about. I've never been dropped, wobbled or none. So now to get dropped like that, it was like something is up. And it was something with his gloves. I don't have to lie about that.
Charlamagne Tha God
You don't have to make no excuses. It was a man.
Clarissa Shields
You was.
Papoose
Being there.
Clarissa Shields
No, but it don't matter though, because since the time I was 11 to now, I'm 30 years old, I've sparred 95%. Men in my sparring pep have seen me spar. Dudes, paps, see some of these dudes warming up, he looking at me like he was talking about he a protector. He looking at the dude like, you better not hit my girl, but I'll be in there, hey, they be coming with it. And I'll be coming with. I send them all my sparring clips and. Because if he's not there, but I'm like, hey, today was hard. And then I, and then I started like Sparta, guys. Next, like the next couple days, send the footage. He like, damn, you figured it out. Because that's what I do as like a, as like a fighter. So don't ever just do going around. Oh, he, he knocked me out. He dropped me. Everybody feeling sorry. Oh, I got fighters get dropped in sparring. It's not, nothing new to the game. Just because I'm a woman sparring against some. Against a man. And then it happened one time. It didn't deter me from sparring other men. That happened when I was going for my second world title.
Papoose
Basically, she spawned the dude. She pieced him up. He came back with some amazing new strength.
Clarissa Shields
He from a different culture. Him getting beat up by a woman. He was embarrassed. So him and his coach conspired with those gloves and his evidence and his people that was there who know about his gloves. So it's like me having to talk about is like, I'm not embarrassed because of that. I still spar men now. I still get ready for my fights. I'm a 19 time world champion and I've accomplished more than that cheat will ever accomplish in his life. I'm not, I'm not ashamed of that. So when they bring that up, I kind of just laugh it off. But it's like, I wish one of these trolls that be talking like that would really like say it to my face because I dropped their ass.
Charlamagne Tha God
They be trolling you about it.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, I'm trying to tell you, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
Guys, what are we talking about here?
Ben
Don't be on X, but I be seeing it be that they be on you any.
Clarissa Shields
I be anything.
Charlamagne Tha God
I had a totally different perspective when I watched that video. I'm like, boy, Clarissa is she spawns.
Ben
With men because you're sensible and you're in reality. These people don't be.
Clarissa Shields
Some of these guys are so intimidated that I'm just so strong and so confident and so great at what I do. They're intimidated that they think like, dang, if I was to fight her, she could probably beat me up. That's intimidating for a man. I don't go around like, oh, I beat up these men. What's up with you, Charlamagne? You want to fight? You want to fight? DJ Envy? What's up?
DJ Envy
Don't want to fight.
Charlamagne Tha God
You want to fight Keith Thurman and Who was the other person? I forgot recently? Not recently, but no.
Clarissa Shields
So, look, they asked me questions, and I answer them. The question a long time ago was, who is a male fighter I think I could beat in a boxing match? I said, Shawn Porter and Keith Thurman. Why? I like they boxing skills. They both big, strong men. I respect both of them. But when I look at how they box and how I'm boxing, I'm like, man, if I can shake and bake and go to the body and do my little stuff, I feel like I'm better skilled than them. Am I stronger than them? No. But, I mean, have I really ever been stronger than a lot of people? It's like, strength is not my thing when it comes to a fight. Strength is not my thing. It's about skill, precision. And I. And I know how to win, but I got some power, too. But no, I'm not trying to knock everybody out. Like, I'm a. I'm a box them. You know what I'm saying? And move around and move my head. Like, I'm pretty skilled in all the departments. That's why they call me the female tbe.
Charlamagne Tha God
Y' all better leave Clarissa alone. When you fight your days, is it gonna be before the baby or after? Baby? After the baby.
Clarissa Shields
I'm fighter before. Okay, Fight it before. I want to get. I want to fight Franchise, and then we can get Shadesha after. That'd be a great party.
Charlamagne Tha God
So what Franchise on February, what she does? Yeah, some of.
Clarissa Shields
Hey, you know, whenever she get unsuspended.
DJ Envy
But she's spinning.
Clarissa Shields
Oh, I know she was. Yo, okay, all right, I'm sorry. I ain't mean. Oh, she say that Savannah bust her. Bust her eardrum and. And broke her nose. That's what she say Savannah did to her. What she think I'm gonna do to her? That's crazy. But I say that to say. You say she been on my ass, right? And she wanted to get this fight. How can you get a fight and make a fight with me? And you're spending. You can't fight nobody. So was you really calling for a fight, or was you doing it for clout? I think it was just clout. I think she didn't want me to. She wanted to. To stall me and make me not even think about Frank trying to keep all the attention on her till she got through her little suspension that she kept a secret from everybody.
Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't know she got suspended.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah. You're gonna box right now. Go on. She ain't that big yet. So she ain't gonna be on no Google. Go to Box wreck. That's where you go. And on box rec, you're gonna see Shadesha Green picture, and it's gonna say, indefinitely suspended.
Papoose
This is funny, because February 22, y'. All. February 22, Sunday, y'.
Clarissa Shields
All.
Papoose
Little Caesar's arena.
Charlamagne Tha God
Against Savannah Marshall.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, because Savannah bust her eardrum and broke her nose.
Ben
Oh, that. In a July fight.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah.
Charlamagne Tha God
You suspended for that?
Papoose
That's what I said. I was like, I. I studied boxing. I never knew that. I never knew that.
Ben
Injuries or pds.
Clarissa Shields
Listen, I didn't know what it was. I just was like, she suspended. But she put all the attention on her. On herself, though. But let's not lose focus, you guys. Pap just dropped the album. Bars on Wheels. A Journey to Save Hip Hop.
Papoose
DJ Envy played the music. Oh, that's love.
Charlamagne Tha God
Then the guy put him in check.
Clarissa Shields
Look at that.
Charlamagne Tha God
He's from.
Papoose
I know that. My bad.
Charlamagne Tha God
He raps, and Envy knows him. He's been.
DJ Envy
Don't say why, because then you're gonna see.
Charlamagne Tha God
I'll tell you, but I told him I was gonna let him rap for you.
Papoose
Oh, word.
Charlamagne Tha God
While you was here. Okay, I want to bring him in.
Clarissa Shields
He here?
Charlamagne Tha God
He's here.
Clarissa Shields
He's here.
Papoose
A word?
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, yeah.
Clarissa Shields
He wants a glass.
Charlamagne Tha God
Go get him Brandy. Oh, he's a cool dude. He really. Yeah, he really takes his craft serious.
Papoose
He does.
DJ Envy
He's Moroccan.
Charlamagne Tha God
If you tell him he's whack or you don't with him, he can't come up here. Right, right, right.
Papoose
He did what I did when I was trying to get on slay and we had.
Charlamagne Tha God
Russell recently was talking about how he came up here and he rapped and it changed his trajectory. And so a lot of people see that now. So they want. So I'm like, yo, introduce yourself.
ER (Rapper from London)
What's good? What's good, people? I'm ER from London Store.
Charlamagne Tha God
Say what's up to Pap. Say what's up to Clarissa.
DJ Envy
We've known our man a long time, and he's a rapper. His records are starting to take off. He showed me his video nose and all that other stuff, and we're gonna.
Charlamagne Tha God
Let him take a deep breath. Okay?
Papoose
That's love, man. Opportunities up there.
Charlamagne Tha God
You got the beat.
Papoose
What was the other.
DJ Envy
The other dude that came up here and one guy signed it was Josh.
Charlamagne Tha God
And it was Josh and Don Tolliver.
DJ Envy
Don Tolliver used to come up here all the time.
Papoose
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben
You need a beat. You acapella.
ER (Rapper from London)
I'll send you that beat yesterday.
Clarissa Shields
Oh, okay.
Charlamagne Tha God
I said that. Yeah, we got it. Yes. Yes, we can play.
DJ Envy
All right, let's go. No pressure.
ER (Rapper from London)
You can turn it up.
Charlamagne Tha God
You want some headphones?
Papoose
No, no, no. I need headphones.
DJ Envy
Matter.
Clarissa Shields
Yo.
ER (Rapper from London)
It all started with a dream I left home at 17 I come from south London, baby you don't see that on the screen they used to tell me that you'll be someone that don't achieve I used to tell myself that's something that I won't believe when it came from my family it really hurt me deep so I lock myself inside the bedroom cry before I sleep Told them that I wanna be what I wanna be but they rather me inside the cell or see the boy deceased Lost both grandmas in six months why they leave? When that girl broke my heart I was crying on my knees but that's karma Cause I done the same to mom and now I see life balancing out life and really it's a beast so I'm sorry mommy Cause I know you couldn't rescue me I was fascinated by the streets Ain't worth want me no degree Imagine having you a child that speaks the way I speak I'll probably go and lose my mind and turn my back on me Crazy how I talk about myself like this so casually Cause my self esteem is low My trauma scar so mad for me couldn't figure out a path to take I found it gradually Last time a girl she said she loved me I said actually love ain't satisfactory I'm closer to insanity every day a battle I just want to see my family but I can't cry I chose this life so I have a seat Everybody talking about me in the street okay, all right, all right.
Clarissa Shields
What you think? What you think, Cap?
Papoose
Nah, he did his thing, man. That was tough.
Clarissa Shields
And where you from? Morocco.
Charlamagne Tha God
Right?
ER (Rapper from London)
Morocco. That's where my parents are from, but they moved to London in it and that's where I was born. I moved to America when I was 17.
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, bruv.
DJ Envy
All right.
Charlamagne Tha God
Hey, bruv.
DJ Envy
Yeah, bro. That's what you call him now, bruv. He's going to a breakfast club, I would say. For what?
Charlamagne Tha God
A long time?
ER (Rapper from London)
Yeah, to get up here still.
DJ Envy
Yeah. This is record. Where can they follow you and all that stuff?
ER (Rapper from London)
Me and 22 on the socials, Spotify. You can catch me everywhere. I've got a little song that's doing some numbers right now, so keep adding to it. I appreciate it.
Charlamagne Tha God
Might be One Records next artist who knows?
Papoose
Yeah, N Definitely Sound tough. I love to hear some of your music, man. Keep doing your thing, man.
ER (Rapper from London)
Appreciate you.
Clarissa Shields
For real, man.
Charlamagne Tha God
And you used to do that, Pat.
Papoose
That's a fact. I used to do the same thing you was doing.
ER (Rapper from London)
Kind of clocked it for you. Used to be outside, hot night. Seven with K sleep.
Papoose
That's right. That's right, man. Yeah. Nah. So I know what it's like, man. When you got that hunger, you just like, yo, I wanna. I wanna get on, man. You got it for real, bro. Gotta do it yourself.
ER (Rapper from London)
Yeah, that's it. Go take it by the.
Papoose
I respect it.
DJ Envy
What song you want to play off the project, Pat? Not the Green. I play that all the time.
Papoose
What's your favorite joint off the project?
Clarissa Shields
You sure you don't.
Papoose
You.
Clarissa Shields
You wanna pick yours?
Papoose
Hers is Chill Button. It's called Chill Button.
Clarissa Shields
Chill Button.
Charlamagne Tha God
You ain't got one.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, no Chill Button. Like, he know that Chill Button is. Well, one. I heard the album before all y' all heard it. I saw the video and stuff, too. I've been knowing about this for months. I just wait. I was about to leak it. He didn't drop it. Hey, y' all ever hear any of Papu's music get leaked? I did it.
DJ Envy
You did it.
Papoose
How crazy is that, right?
Clarissa Shields
Gonna be on Twitter like, oh, who happened? Like, I don't know what happened, but doing numbers, I don't know.
DJ Envy
Let's get into it right now. Bars on wheels out right now. Carissa Papoose, produced by my brother real quick.
Papoose
Can I bring my brother in real quick? He produced the whole project in the studio. We took our time too, man. Win Records.
Clarissa Shields
Yeah, yeah. Oh, and by the way, okay, everybody got their Win Record chain. I don't know why.
Papoose
Just tell them how. How was it producing this project? Real quick. Producing this project. You know, it was epic.
DJ Envy
It was dope.
Papoose
We took our time with it. That's right. And it's real hip hop. Producer and MC man back together doing it strong.
DJ Envy
That's what it is. All right. Well, it's the Breakfast Club. Papoose Shields.
Charlamagne Tha God
The Breakfast Club.
Papoose
You don't finish or y' all done?
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This vibrant Breakfast Club interview brings together renowned rapper Papoose and boxing champion Claressa Shields for a candid, wide-ranging conversation. The pair discuss Papoose’s new project Bars on Wheels, his journey to "save hip hop", navigating public relationships, black love in the spotlight, and Claressa’s status as a dominant force in women’s boxing. The conversation naturally blends music, culture, relationships, and sports, with frequent insights into personal growth, societal double standards, and the pressures of public scrutiny.
[04:28] Charlamagne Tha God: "I feel like you. You should have been did Bars on Wheels."
Papoose details the Bars on Wheels concept as a hybrid short film and album, leveraging his viral car rapping series into an artistic journey "to save hip hop".
The project intentionally addresses substance abuse in hip hop and its cultural consequences:
"I think that played a major part to the demise about a culture of our hip hop... I just wanted to shine a light on that and create awareness to talk about it." (Papoose, [07:29])
On keeping lyricism relevant:
"I think just be themselves, man. Nobody could do you better than you... you got to utilize that." (Papoose, [05:16])
"Is there a lane for that now?" – "Yes, always. It's timeless." (DJ Envy & Papoose, [05:53])
Papoose praises new-gen lyricists and underscores that depth and "bars" in rap are "timeless" and not going away. He laments how hip-hop is unfairly blamed for broader societal issues.
[08:36] Papoose discusses hip-hop’s stigma:
"Negative and positive exists in life, period. People blame hip hop for things that actually go on in America. America has a problem with violence..."
Papoose reflects on personal growth and changing relationships, emphasizing positivity and not glorifying the "street" life:
"I don't wear that street shit on my sleeve... I always showcase my talent... uplifting our people." ([10:16])
Advice to youth about the streets:
"Don't do it. It's not worth it... You look around at your crew... y'all not gonna make it out." ([10:50])
On being an emblem of “black love”:
"It was corny. It's always corny to do social media shit... Who wants to be a part of the circus?" ([12:13])
"When Remy was incarcerated, they was killing me...he's an idiot...I didn't care though because that's my real life..." ([12:45])
Experiences of support and criticism—men and women reacted differently to his public displays of affection.
"The dudes was always hating, but the women, older women, all different age groups, they always embraced it." ([13:52])
On owning his public narrative:
"I'm glad that I gave y'all an open book so when someone wants to lie on me...you guys have been there all along." ([15:53])
"We signed up for this, bro... you can't want people to say, you can't open the door to your life and then want to close it." ([16:05])
Confirms he's moved on from Remy Ma and is happy in a new relationship with Claressa Shields:
"I got a new queen in my life, man. And she's one of the best things that ever happened to me." ([16:25])
Charlamagne asks if hip-hop does enough to model healthy relationships:
"No, I think...after we did it, it became cool. I felt like people were ashamed to show love to their significant other." (Papoose, [16:39])
On rumors of ghostwriting:
"You said you wrote 90% of Remy's raps, including 'Conceited.' Was that true?" (Charlamagne [17:49])
"No comment, man. You know what I'm saying? I wish her the best..." (Papoose, [17:57])
Both address navigating their relationship publicly, clarifying timelines and dismissing cheating allegations.
"When me and him got together, he was already separated. So y’all know what happened before that." (Clarissa Shields, [25:18])
"None of that shit was true, man. None of it. All of that was fugazi." (Papoose, [23:17])
Claressa on relationship norms:
"People act like we don't understand breakups and relationships... marriages end all the time. Divorces happen." ([22:22])
Clarissa details her $8 million, eight-fight deal; addresses trolls and those who challenge her boxing legitimacy.
She talks about issuing open challenges, fighting stereotypes, and being trolled for sparring with men:
"I sparred 95% men in my sparring... I've accomplished more than that cheat will ever accomplish in his life." ([49:02])
"I'm a real fighter. So I felt like I needed to make an example out of her... had her out of there in 30 seconds." ([42:04])
Her approach to relationships:
"He's like the cheat code to life almost... he knows how to keep me calm."
"When it’s your time, it’s your time, when it’s the other person’s time, there’s nothing wrong with taking a back seat to your person." ([37:28])
Commentary on boxing's current state:
"Boxing is in a weird space right now... if Lauren woke up tomorrow, was like, I want to fight Clarissa, they'd be like, let's do a pay per view.” ([40:07])
"I got dropped... but as I got back up, I sparred another guy. Four rounds... Fighters get dropped in sparring..." ([47:51])
[55:06]
“Nah, he did his thing, man. That was tough.” (Papoose, [57:15])
[58:14] DJ Envy: "What song you want to play off the project, Pat? Not the Green. I play that all the time."
Papoose (On hip-hop’s blame for societal issues):
“People blame hip hop for things that actually go on in America. America has a problem with violence…” ([08:36])
Papoose (On advice to young people in the streets):
"Dont do it. It's not worth it. Y'all not gonna make it out. Some one of y'all or two or maybe three y'all not gonna make it.” ([10:50])
Papoose (On public scrutiny):
"I'm glad that I gave y'all an open book so when someone wants to lie on me...y’all have been there all along.” ([15:53])
Clarissa Shields (On fan reactions to relationships):
“Maybe it’s just…it’s harder for the fans that followed them to let go than it is for them.” ([22:55])
Papoose (on their relationship):
“I got a new queen in my life… one of the best things that ever happened to me.” ([16:25])
Claressa Shields (On her mindset and relationship):
“He’s like the cheat code to life…he knows how to keep me calm.” ([35:26])
This episode provides infectious energy, introspection, and honest talk. Papoose illustrates the struggles and purpose of authenticity in hip-hop and life, while Claressa Shields radiates confidence and addresses the double standards she faces as a female world champion. Their chemistry as a couple is palpable, offering real-life lessons in growth, resilience, and love—while still circling back to their respective crafts. Whether discussing music, love, or boxing, both remain unapologetically themselves, paving the way for healthier representation and dialogue in Black culture and entertainment.