INTERVIEW: Pinky Cole Talks 'Slutty Vegan' Bankruptcy, Bounce-back, Entrepreneurial Lessons + More

Summary

The Breakfast Club — Interview with Pinky Cole

Episode Title: Pinky Cole Talks 'Slutty Vegan' Bankruptcy, Bounce-back, Entrepreneurial Lessons + More
Date: March 31, 2026
Guests: Pinky Cole
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Podcast Network: The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this candid and revealing interview, Pinky Cole, founder of Slutty Vegan and new cast member of "The Real Housewives of Atlanta," joins The Breakfast Club to discuss her recent business challenges, including bankruptcy and buying back her company. Cole opens up about the realities of entrepreneurship, the impact on her personal life and marriage, and how she hopes to inspire others by sharing the less glamorous sides of her journey. The episode is rich with hard-won entrepreneurial lessons, emotional honesty, and a dose of humor and resilience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Pinky Cole Joined ‘Real Housewives of Atlanta’

• Jumping into reality TV:
  Pinky shares that after being a TV producer, restaurateur, and pageant girl, reality TV was another challenge to take on.

  “When the opportunity presented itself, I said, fuck it. I might as well do it.” – Pinky Cole (03:29)

• Timing & vulnerability:
  She was approached right after she bought her business back during a tumultuous period, using the platform as a way to own her story.

2. Public Struggles: Slutty Vegan’s Bankruptcy and the Bounce-back

• Opening up about hardship:
  Pinky details her company’s rapid growth, accruing $20 million in debt, and publicly losing ownership before buying it back 43 days later.

  “Because I could be a testimony to entrepreneurs who are going through difficult times. … What happens in entrepreneurship is everybody got this pride. They only show the highlight reels, but like, I really went through some really heavy times, some really dark times. I almost lost my mind.” – Pinky Cole (05:01)

• Entrepreneurial transparency:
  Cole emphasizes the need for more entrepreneurs to be open about difficulties, noting isolation and suicidal thoughts during her darkest days.

3. Support Systems and Marriage Pressures

• The importance of team and family:
  Pinky credits having a strong team and family, especially as a mother of three, as key to getting through.

  “Like, I need to have people around me that's going to charge me up when I feel depleted.” – Pinky Cole (06:10)

• Marital challenges:
  Her husband Derek’s success contrasted starkly with her struggles, putting strain on their relationship and nearly costing them their marriage.

  “When you're in a relationship with somebody and one is winning real big and then the other one is falling … that was hard. It almost cost me my marriage.” – Pinky Cole (07:57)

  • The couple navigated outside pressures and differences in coping styles:

    “Some people come from a space of love and some people come from a space of survival. … That’s like oil and water.” – Pinky Cole (10:23)

4. Lessons from Rapid Expansion and Bankruptcy

• Cautionary tale about growth:
  Opening 14 locations at $800k–$1M each, raising $25M, company valued at $100M — Pinky warns against signing personal guarantees and expanding beyond team capacity.

  “Sometimes you put basketball players on the golf course. … You got people that do an incredible job in their skill set, but then you position them somewhere else and they can't do what you need to do.” – Pinky Cole (14:41)

• “Assignment for Benefit of Creditors”:
  Pinky explains this as a bankruptcy-adjacent, out-of-court restructuring that meant she didn't own her company for 43 days. When she bought it back, creditors went after her personally.

  “On paper, I ain't got nothing personally and as it should be.” – Pinky Cole (15:44)

• Lessons for entrepreneurs:
  She underscores not putting assets in your own name, being ready for “weatherproof” storms, and using bankruptcy as a strategic tool, not a mark of failure.

  “There is no shame in bankruptcy. You're not broke because you filed bankruptcy … utilize the US Bankruptcy code as a tool.” – Pinky Cole (31:20)

5. Misconceptions, Internet Narratives, and Reputation

• Battling false rumors:
  Pinky addresses media narratives, including claims she lost her house to creditors (explained as a misunderstanding regarding an abandoned investment property and improper actions by a creditor company).

  “I won attorney's fees. … That's really some real reputational damage on somebody when you assuming that they lost their house.” – Pinky Cole (25:56)

• Defending her name:
  She’s pursuing further legal action for defamation and emphasizes that her reputation is her main currency.

  “Your name is all that you have … The currency is who you are. My mouthpiece is a country club.” – Pinky Cole (28:35)

6. Franchising, Looking Forward, and Financial Literacy

• Current state:
  7 active locations, over a dozen franchises in the pipeline. Shrinking back from 14 was due to estate management during restructuring, not performance.

  “All of my stores make money, all of them. … The Estate came in and closed the locations that they just didn’t want to deal with.” – Pinky Cole (23:12)

• Franchise opportunity:
  $40K buy-in; franchisees handle build-out costs (which can range widely depending on location).

  “$40,000 to buy in … it could be $200,000 or $555,000 to a million.” – Pinky Cole (36:24)

• Financial literacy initiative:
  Pinky has partnered with Earn Your Leisure to create a digital series on adult financial literacy.

  “We're going to be doing more of that because I realized that sometimes people don't get it unless you put it on 808s.” – Pinky Cole (37:03)

7. Perspective on Failure, Resilience, and Advice

• Not feeling a need to prove herself:

  “I ain't got to prove none of y'all. I know who I am. I know whose I am.” – Pinky Cole (32:06)

• Turning pain into purpose:
  Pinky frames both her struggles and recovery as weapons in her arsenal and part of her “coaching” toolkit for others.
• Final advice:

  “I want people to learn that you only get one shot. Do not miss your chance to blow, because opportunity comes once in a lifetime.” – Pinky Cole (34:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There were nights where I'm like, it's just me and my pillow and God … it might be better if I'm not here.” – Pinky Cole (05:48)
• “Being on display ain't never mean that it's always going to look good … Sometimes it's going to hurt. … In order to evolve and elevate … isolation is going to come with that.” – Pinky Cole (09:00)
• “Bankruptcy is a tool. … Delta Airlines filed in what, 2005, and … that's the number one preferred airline in America.” – Pinky Cole (31:20)
• “Slutty Vegan is weatherproof. … I'm excited to show what resilience looks like for people who have lost their businesses and trying to figure out the next steps.” – Pinky Cole (33:58)
• “I've been through it all … I know what it feel like to eat on a glass plate, and I also know what it feel like to eat on a paper plate.” – Pinky Cole (34:39)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro & Reality TV: 03:00–04:36
• Business Bankruptcy & Resilience: 04:36–07:00
• Relationship & Marriage Tensions: 07:06–12:22
• Housewives Cast & Dynamics: 12:22–14:06
• Bankruptcy, Overhead & Lessons: 14:06–17:38
• Location Closures Explained: 22:59–24:25
• Misreported Real Estate Drama: 24:25–28:28
• Rebuilding, Name, Lawsuits, and Plan: 28:28–33:43
• Franchising & Financial Literacy Plans: 36:09–37:03
• Closing Thoughts, Resilience, Advice: 33:58–35:46

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Summary Takeaways

• Pinky Cole’s journey is a powerful case study in the highs and lows of entrepreneurship: from building a $100M empire to bankruptcy, public scrutiny, and hard resets.
• She advocates for honest conversations about failure in business, destigmatizing bankruptcy, and learning to use the system strategically.
• Pinky emphasizes the importance of community, strong partnerships, and holding on to personal integrity and reputation.
• She encourages others not to be deterred by setbacks, but to embrace them as lessons and fuel for a greater comeback.

To learn more about Pinky Cole, Slutty Vegan, and opportunities to franchise or gain financial literacy, check out SluttyVeganATL.com and her new educational series with Earn Your Leisure.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

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[Bob Pittman]

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[John Green]

People think that creative ideas are like these light bulb moments that happen when you're in the shower where it's really

[Pinky Cole]

like a stone sculpture.

[John Green]

You're constantly just chipping away and refining.

[Bob Pittman]

Take to interactive CEO Strauss Zelnick and her own Chief Business officer, Lisa Coffey. Listen to Math and magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Pinky Cole]

Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son? And I'm like, who is this person?

[Boys and Girls Podcast Host]

Welcome to the boys and girls Podcast. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show and you're auditioning for your soulmate. And who's judging? Only your entire family. I sacrificed myself to this ancient tradition hoping to find love the right way. And instead I found chaos, comedy, and a lot of cringe. Listen to boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nick Dickenpole Show Host]

On paper, the three hosts of the Nick Dickenpole show are geniuses. We can explain how AI works, data centers, but there are certain things that we don't necessarily understand better version of.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Play stupid games, win stupid. Yes.

[Miles Turner]

Which. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong.

[Nick Dickenpole Show Host]

But hey, no one's perfect. We're pretty close though. Listen to the Nick, Dick and Paul show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy Robach]

Hey there folks. Amy Robach and T.J. holmes here and

[T.J. Holmes]

we know there is a lot of news coming at you these days. From the war with Iran to the ongoing Epstein fallout, government shutdowns, high profile trials, and what the hell is that Blake Lively thing about?

[Amy Robach]

Anyway, we are on it every day, all day.

[T.J. Holmes]

Follow us, Amy and TJ for news updates throughout the day.

[Amy Robach]

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[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

This Women's History Month. The podcast Keep It Positive, Sweetie celebrates the power of women choosing healing, purpose and faith. Even when life gets messy, love is not a destination.

[Pinky Cole]

You have to work on it every day.

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

Keep It Positive. Sweetie creates Space for honest conversations on self worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire, and tell the truth out loud.

[Pinky Cole]

I have several conversations with God, and I know why it took 20 years

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

to hear this and more. Listen to keep it positive, Sweetie, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Cheryl Strayed]

Hold up.

[Pinky Cole]

Every day, I wake up.

[Bob Pittman]

Wake your ass up.

[Pinky Cole]

The Breakfast Club. Y' all finished or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody.

[Pinky Cole]

It's DJ Envy.

[DJ Envy]

Just hilarious. Charlamagne tha guy. We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Ladies and gentlemen, Pinky Cole. Welcome, Pinky.

[Pinky Cole]

Hey, girl. Good morning. How you doing? It's real Baltimore in here.

[DJ Envy]

Now, we know Pinky from Slutty Vegan. We know Pinky from, now, Real Housewives of Atlanta, which starts on the 5th of next month. So why did you jump into that craziness?

[Podcast Host]

I was so surprised.

[Pinky Cole]

I'm surprised, too, because you're very private

[DJ Envy]

when it comes to your family life.

[Pinky Cole]

I don't know. You know, I'm a cat. Okay. I've been a television producer. I have been a restaurateur. I've been a pageant girl. And doing reality TV was just something else to, like, knock off the list. And when the opportunity presented itself, I said, fuck it. I might as well do it. Like, you know, And I'm happy that I did. It was actually a very interesting experience.

[DJ Envy]

Really?

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah, very interesting.

[Podcast Host]

Talk about them approaching you for the show or, like, how. Because I know you worked in casting, too, at one point, right?

[Pinky Cole]

I did. I used to be a producer for the Maury Show. Show. Yeah. And a whole bunch of TV shows. So the. The timing couldn't have been better. You know what I'm saying? Like, this was right after I'm. We saw it, like, I went through the restructuring. My company had $20 million in debt, bought my business back 43 days later. And then right when I bought my business back, it was like the conversation was. The timing couldn't have been no better. And I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna try this. I'm gonna do this. And, you know, doing it really exposed a lot of things in a great way. I got to meet some new friends, and. And so many people like Pinky now. Why would you do that show? And I'm like, I'm a mastermind. That's why. Yeah.

[Miles Turner]

Yeah.

[Pinky Cole]

Were you nervous at first? Like, I don't know if I'm trying to Jump. Jump out there. I don't get nervous. Yeah, I got you.

[DJ Envy]

And you don't mind because you're very a private person when it comes to your personal life, right? Personal life, yes, yes. Yourself, you're open book. But, you know, in housewives, they get into personal lives. Did that bother you at all?

[Pinky Cole]

No. To be honest, at that point, the whole world knew what happened. I literally went publicly and said, hey, I lost my company. I don't own my company company anymore. So, like, you're not just going to laugh at my story. I might as well capitalize off of it my damn self. You know what I'm saying? So when everything happened with my business, I said I might as well, like, because I could be a testimony to entrepreneurs who are going through difficult times. Because what happens in entrepreneurship is everybody got this pride. They only show the highlight reels, like, all the things that are really good. But, like, I really went through some really heavy times, some really dark times. I almost lost my mind. And I did that in private. So because I did that in private, when it was time to go public about it, I'm like, somebody else life can be saved if they hear my testimony and what I went through. You know what I'm saying? Like, there were nights where I'm like, it's just me and my pillow and God, and I'm like, I don't want to do this no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is too much for me. Like, it might be better if I'm not here.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wow.

[Pinky Cole]

And a lot of people don't talk about stuff like that. So if I could be the vessel, right. To show somebody else that, like, you can keep going. You don't give up. People will talk, people will have an opinion. But, like, the purpose is bigger than the circumstance, then somebody else life is going to be saved because of what I went through.

[DJ Envy]

What got you off that ledge.

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah. Having the right people around you. You know how people say, like, you need the right team. Like, it is so critical. It is like an iPhone that needs a battery. Okay. Like, I need to have people around me that's going to charge me up when I feel depleted. You understand what I'm saying? Like, when they say that 10%, when you ain't got nothing left in you, you need somebody that's going to take you back up again. That's relationships, partnerships. It's friendships. It's having a good manager. We all got management, right?

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

Yeah.

[Pinky Cole]

It's having a good manager. If you're around somebody all day, every day. And they like, that's not gonna work. Don't do that. I don't believe in a dream. You just sitting there like, damn, who I got on my side? So having the right team and just, you know, I'm a mom. I got three kids. Four, Three and two. So I realize now, like, all right, this is bigger than me. Like, I can't. I cannot lose. I might throw the towel in, but for some reason, the towel get thrown back in my face because I got so many people looking at me, expecting me to win.

[Brianna Stewart]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

How was your husband during this time? Because his business is connected to your business, which is the family business. So it's not like you can do something that doesn't affect him or he can't do anything that doesn't affect you. So how was he during that time?

[Pinky Cole]

You know, I'm gonna be honest with you. So Derek is doing incredibly well. Like, he's at number 16, going on 30 franchisees. He just got named top six restaurants in the country. He just made the COVID of QSR magazine for the April issue. So, like, he's popping. So can you imagine being young, married to a very successful man and also being very successful, and while my ship is crumbling, okay, he is elevating in real time. So when you're in a relationship with somebody and one is winning real big and then the other one is falling at the same time, we had to navigate that, and that was incredibly hard. So, like, he want to be happy with me, but I'm sitting in the corner sad.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pinky Cole]

You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting in the corner trying to strategize, like, okay, congratulations. But I got this going on. And the reason why I'm being transparent about that, because a lot of people, especially entrepreneurs in relationships. Relationships, they don't talk about the dark side of what happens if one person is winning and the other person is not. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was hard. It almost cost me my marriage.

[Podcast Host]

I'm gonna ask you a lot of times when you hear those stories, especially with how dark things you saying got for you. People don't make it out of that.

[Pinky Cole]

No, they don't.

[Podcast Host]

So what were those days like? Of like trying to make sure that you didn't lose the marriage. And what was the day like when you guys sat down and said, maybe we don't need to do this right now?

[Pinky Cole]

Well, first of all, we ain't got no prenup, so I ain't going nowhere. Okay, sit your ass on the couch. But I realized that I'm only. How old am I? I'm 38 years old. My husband about to be 39 years old. We live in a country club. We. We have a life that people have prayed for. We got a beautiful family. We do. We do beautiful things with our family. And I'm like, it's bigger than us now. So, yes, we have our days, and yes, it gets incredibly difficult. But tell me, when the last time y' all seen two black entrepreneurs who both separately own multimillion dollar companies who have both made history? When the last time you seen that as a Beyonce and Jay Z, but in the restaurant space, you ain't never seen it. So we have the opportunity to really change the trajectory of how black entrepreneurs especially see success in business. And yes, it gets comfortable, but what I believe is, is that God has made us, has put us on display. Right. And sometimes when you get put on display, being on display is uncomfortable. Yeah. Okay. It's just like a merchandiser goes into a retail spot and puts clothes on the mannequin. Okay. But when you're on display, the people who want to see you are going to walk by and say, hey, I want that. So being on display ain't never mean that it's always going to look good. Sometimes it's going to hurt. Sometimes you're going to cry. Sometimes you're going to feel isolated. But in order to evolve and elevate in who you're trying to be, isolation is going to come with that. And we know that. And because we know that, we're so much better off as a couple, we

[DJ Envy]

got so hard because most people would think if. If I'm effed up, my husband got me. My husband, he gonna pad me and make sure I'm good and vice versa. If he's effed up, I'm got him. So what got so crazy? Like, what made it seem like that you almost got a divorce? What was that bottom line? Because both of y' all are in a situation where y' all got each other.

[Pinky Cole]

So you ever heard sometimes where people come from a space of love and some people come from a space of survival.

[Podcast Host]

Of course.

[Pinky Cole]

So when I'm in a space of survival and he's navigating through his space of love, like, that's like oil and water.

[Cheryl Strayed]

Yeah.

[Pinky Cole]

You know what I'm saying? And I'm literally speaking from a place of truth here, because a lot of people won't vocalize this, but, like, it got really incredibly hard where, like, here it is. I Have this hundred million dollar brand, but my payroll is $350,000 a week. Okay. And I'm not getting financially supported by the people on my team so that I can get out of the debt that I'm in so that I can continue to grow. And now my husband is raising money. He's doing all of the things. So you have outside noise, right, that are coming in to try to corrupt and poison the bond that we've created. So we really had to put, like, a barrier over our relationship to understand, like, it's us against the world. Right? We got these five little kids that are looking up to us and expecting us to win. And we're not going to let the outside world win. So, like, whatever it takes, we're going to do. And that's what we're doing in real time.

[Podcast Host]

How is the. The reality show gonna help that, though? Because, like, wouldn't it. It's not gonna bring back up things for y', all, like, re. Trigger situations.

[Pinky Cole]

We are. We already.

[Podcast Host]

We.

[Pinky Cole]

We so solid. We already done been there, done that.

[DJ Envy]

How.

[Pinky Cole]

How long you been married, Envy?

[DJ Envy]

24 years. You've been married at 31.

[Pinky Cole]

You've been married for 31 years. And I'm sure that you and your wife have had your challenges in your marriage, but what did it do? It made your marriage stronger, right? What did it do? It really, like, put a glue within your bond. And oftentimes it takes for you to go through the difficult times in. You just got married, right? Yep. Yeah. So you understand we're newlyweds, right? So sometimes you have to go through those things. Nobody can give you a rule book on marriage. Okay. Every marriage is made differently, and you got to do yours how you do yours. So now that we're on the show, we've already gotten through the hard part. People already talking. Let them have their opinion. So what we locked in. Locked in, like skin. And it is what it is.

[DJ Envy]

Who's your friend on the show? Like, because usually on Real Housewives, you come in as a friend. Who is your friend on the show?

[Pinky Cole]

Well, you know, there's a lot of peaches on the show.

[DJ Envy]

And you have a peach, right? You're not a friend of a peach?

[Pinky Cole]

No, I'm not no friend.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Pinky Cole]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Talk that talk.

[Pinky Cole]

Let's go.

[DJ Envy]

Talk that talk.

[Pinky Cole]

I'm not an ensemble kind of girl. I'm just within an ensemble. Okay. There's some great peaches, some rotten peaches in a mix. But the peaches that I do like, I love K. That's My girl. That's my sorority.

[DJ Envy]

K. Michelle, who's new on the show this year.

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah, that's my girl. So we like who else? Love Kelly. Love Portia. Yeah. Love Shamia. Listen, what I will say is every single woman on this show is dynamic for a reason, and that's the reason why they're on the show. So I could say my personal opinions on how I feel about some of them, but at the end of the day, somebody saw something great in them. Okay? God loves you, and that's why you.

[DJ Envy]

So who's the rotten peach, though?

[Pinky Cole]

Who's the rotten peach that you gotta watch it? April 5th.

[Podcast Host]

You didn't mention Drew.

[Pinky Cole]

You didn't mention.

[Podcast Host]

You mentioned. Mention my girl Shamia. You didn't mention Angela.

[Pinky Cole]

Oh, so I love.

[DJ Envy]

You can see it all in her.

[Pinky Cole]

Oh, I love her facial expressions in

[Podcast Host]

and out this season.

[Pinky Cole]

Cynthia is my girl. That's my girl.

[Podcast Host]

So Drew and Angela Oakley are not.

[Pinky Cole]

No. What'd you say?

[Podcast Host]

Drew. Drew Sedora.

[Pinky Cole]

Who?

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Rapping with Drew.

[Pinky Cole]

I don't like.

[DJ Envy]

Why y' all like oil and water? Why y' all mix?

[Pinky Cole]

Drew's fine. I like Drew. Drew's really beautiful.

[DJ Envy]

And what about Ms. Oakley?

[Pinky Cole]

She cool. She called me Mr. Clean, but I'm like, thank you. Cause you got your hair. But she don't know, girl. I'm working on my next business, Mr. Clean. Okay. My next cleaning company. No, I like Drew. Drew's cool. I'm joking.

[Podcast Host]

Well, you talked a lot about the debt that you were in and that being a storyline on the show. So going back to the beginning with having to buy back your business, when you had to buy back your business, you were talking about all of the overhead. I think it was like $10 million in overhead.

[Pinky Cole]

20.

[Podcast Host]

$20 million in overhead that you were facing. Right. Because of expansions and things of that nature. Then you buy back the business, then you file for bankruptcy. Can you talk us through? Because I know a lot of people were like, I saw the skit that you posted on Instagram. A lot of people thought that that meant that you had nothing. You were down and out. Talk about your decision to file for bankruptcy after buying your business back.

[DJ Envy]

Okay?

[Pinky Cole]

So entrepreneurs, I need y' all to hear me. I don't know if y' all saw a video circulating where I said, do not put anything in your personal name. Have y' all seen that clip? Find it after this interview. So the reason why I said that clip is because here it is at my peak, 14 locations. Slutty vegan. It cost me between 800,000 to a million to open up each location. I raised $25 million in 2022. Company got valued at $100 million. We kicking in the middle of a pandemic in the middle of a time where inflation is through the roof, you know? Right? Inflation is through the roof. Supply chain is crazy. So like there's like a 6x on everything. So we did everything that we said that we were going to do. Problem is, is that when you grow that fast, right, sometimes you put basketball players on the golf course. You understand what I'm saying? So you got people that do an incredible job in their skill set, but then you position them somewhere else and they can't do what you need to do to take you where you need to go. So as a result, we got $20 million in debt, right? And as a result of that debt, we were drowning. So yes, we were making money, double digit millions. But if your payroll is high and if you have all of these costs and everything is up, your bottom line is going to be red. But what I didn't know is when we were growing the company, everything, I'm just signing my name on personal guarantee because nobody ever thinks about the business that it will fail. Nobody thinks like, okay, this ain't going to work one day, so don't do that, especially not me. Like, I have this company, lines down the block. Everybody loves this brand. And then one day I look up and I got all of this, that. And I'm like, okay, cool. I can file an assignment for the benefit of creditors. Okay, Do y' all know what that is? No. That is bankruptcy's first cousin. Okay? So it's an out of court procedure that you fil. If you need to restructure your business, it cleans your cap table. So if you have investors, you no longer have investors. I was no longer the CEO. None of that. Okay? So I did not own a company for 43 days. And the estate that took the company, they took the assets and they took the debt so that they can sell off the asset so that they can pay off the debt. Okay? And then they sell the business to somebody who wants to buy it. But who else going to buy slutty vegan stuff for me? So 43 days later, I bought the company. But here's the kicker. After I bought the company, I'm like, okay, cool, everything is good. Next thing I know, the creditors are coming after me personally because I'm the party responsible from the old co. So even though the old co is dead and I don't have to deal with the old code no more. The. They're coming after me because they like. All right, she's a public figure. She got it. She can pay for it. But smart entrepreneurs know is that you don't really hold no assets in your personal name. On paper, I ain't got nothing personally and as it should be. So. Okay, all right, you have to file for bankruptcy because you got. I got lawsuits. I'm walking into St. Regis, I'm getting served lawsuits. All of these things from oco. So now this becomes a part two of that restructure. But you know, the Internet be Internet.

[DJ Envy]

So now you. You have currently. How many active locations you have?

[Pinky Cole]

I got seven, and then I have over a dozen franchises in the pipeline.

[DJ Envy]

Now you. You said you had 14 at one time.

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

What was the reason that. That a lot of those franchises closed? Because, I mean, it seems like you said there was lines around the corner. I mean, during COVID especially in Atlanta.

[John Green]

I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of the Fault in Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co host of the Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast.

[Daniel Alarcon]

I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.

[John Green]

For us, soccer, football is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Very debatable.

[John Green]

And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Together we'll find out why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important.

[John Green]

Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amber Grimes]

It's the new me and it's the old them.

[Podcast Host]

Everybody's on their journey, and your journey's different to theirs.

[Amber Grimes]

This Women's History Month, the podcast if youf Knew Better with Amber Grimes spotlights women who turn missteps into momentum and lessons into power.

[Podcast Guest]

I think coming out of where I

[Podcast Host]

came from, I'm from the Bronx.

[Podcast Guest]

I think I grew up really, really poor. I didn't know that then because I very much use my creativity to romanticize life. And I'm like, my mom did a really good job of, like, you step back and you're like, whoa.

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

We.

[Podcast Guest]

I don't know how we made it. So a lot of my life was, like, built out of, like, survival to get to the next place. Like, my drive, my, like, tunnel vision of, like, I gotta be better, I gotta achieve this was off. The strengths of, like, I want to make a better life.

[Amber Grimes]

For if you Knew Better brings real talk from women who've lived it, unpacking career pivots, relationship lessons, and the mindset shifts that changed everything. Listen to if youf Knew Better with Amber grimes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Miles Turner]

What's up? I'm Miles Turner.

[Brianna Stewart]

And I'm Brianna Stewart.

[Miles Turner]

And our podcast, Game Recognized Game has never been done before.

[Brianna Stewart]

Two active players giving you a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court.

[Miles Turner]

Nothing's off limits. We talk trade requests.

[Brianna Stewart]

What's the vibe of that when it's like your star player is like, well, I want to leave, and then actually, now I'm going to stay. We talk tanking. I mean, honestly, like, I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's, like, definitely happening in the wnba.

[Miles Turner]

And, yeah, we talk about our mistakes, too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey, man, we got a call last night, and you can't be rolling around the city like this the night before games, you know. You know, doing this, doing whatever.

[Brianna Stewart]

And of course, family stories. They'll be like, mommy, why did you miss that?

[Pinky Cole]

Mommy, do you play basketball?

[Brianna Stewart]

Check out Game Recognized Game with Stewie and miles on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Cheryl Strayed]

Hi, everyone. I'm Cheryl Strayed, author of Wild and Tiny Beautiful Things. I'm excited to share that I have a new podcast called Mind Over Mountain. In each episode, I interview athletes, adventurers, and adrenaline seekers to discuss the inner landscapes and life experiences that informed and inspired their extraordinary feats. I also bring a bit of advice into the mix so we, too, can better understand how to face our own seemingly insurmountable challenges.

[Pinky Cole]

Do you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to pull out what you already have inside. We're coming into this world fighting for our lives. All I'm gonna do is pull out what you already got inside.

[Podcast Host]

We're there to support and celebrate each other, and that is not like a your story versus my story.

[Cheryl Strayed]

You're gonna walk up and over that dang mountain. You're not just gonna put your mind over it.

[Pinky Cole]

Yep, yep, exactly. And if I can't walk up and over it, I'm gonna go through it.

[Cheryl Strayed]

Listen to Mind Over Mountain every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Host]

Usually on this Podcast Will Kill youl. We talk about the diseases, infections, and biological threats that can make us really sick.

[Cheryl Strayed]

But right now we're doing something a little different.

[Podcast Host]

We're stepping back and looking at what the human body needs to keep going.

[Cheryl Strayed]

When you consider what we know about sleep in humans, there's one rule that comes out. We are predictably unpredictable sleepers.

[Podcast Host]

We're talking about why sleep works the way it does, why our bodies don't follow neat rules, and why modern life, life makes rest so hard to come by.

[Cheryl Strayed]

The second half of our series takes us to the Digestive system with a multi part series on what happens after we eat. Okay, I just have to say that all of my favorite words, apparently are digestive words.

[Podcast Host]

Sphincter, peristalsis, duodenum. It's fascinating, it's funny, and it matters so much more than you think.

[Cheryl Strayed]

Episodes of our new series run from January 20 through February 17, with new episodes every Tuesday on the Exactly Right Now Network.

[Podcast Host]

Listen to this podcast will kill you. As part of the Exactly Right Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Pinky Cole]

It was packed.

[DJ Envy]

It was music. I've been to a couple of events. So what happened that allowed that made those locations close?

[Pinky Cole]

So as soon as we did the restructure, the Estate closed majority of those locations.

[DJ Envy]

Even though they were making money?

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah, even though they were making money. They just didn't have the people to run those companies. Like, you know, I had Spelman and they closed Spelman. It was this whole big thing. I didn't close Spelman. The Estate closed Spelman. You understand what I'm saying? So the Estate came in and closed the locations that they just didn't want to deal with. All of my stores make money, all of them. I could, my. My lowest revenue stores do better than the average restaurant, but they just didn't want to deal with them. It's an estate company. They come in, fold everything over. They just want to kind of like streamline and limit down, which is okay, because what that did is it made me a smarter entrepreneur, right? Like, even my lowest revenue store, I would hold on to because of ego, right? But I Had to learn in the process. If you got a store that ain't doing at least 1.2 million, you might need to close that store up and do something different. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, like, there's so many things that I have learned as an entrepreneur in this process. And I'm so glad that I had the hiccups. I'm so glad that sometimes things didn't go right because it really only made me stronger and wiser. You know what I'm saying? So when I do it again, I know exactly what to do differently.

[DJ Envy]

Are you opening up in Spelman again?

[Pinky Cole]

No. Wanna just college campuses. Like it's not a year round business. So like you relying on them in school, it's just. It's not lucrative enough to be honest. Spelman was great. Shout out to Spelman. But it's just not lucrative enough.

[DJ Envy]

Now we also seen something that they, the creditors, they. They change your house.

[Boys and Girls Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Pinky Cole]

Oh, my God.

[DJ Envy]

They won't let you in your house, so, you know, they said you had to sleep outside. They said it was raining all over your head.

[Pinky Cole]

Now it was raining on her head and she just cut her hair. Okay. And I ain't got no hair, no umbrella, no nothing.

[Miles Turner]

Gon.

[Pinky Cole]

I got no position. So what happened is just going to roll off. So what happened was, is you're in real estate, so you can also speak to this. So I had a tenant tenant moved out. The house was abandoned. So I'm just going to assume that the creditors locked the doors. Because the house was abandoned. Because the house was abandoned, the grass didn't get cut, so they changed the locks. Not my mortgage company, the creditor. Okay? So my realtor was like, hey, Pinky, somebody changed the locks. We can't get in. I'm like, what you talking about? We calling everybody. So my attorney go down to court and file an emergency motion so that they can change the locks. We could. We still, till this day, we don't even know who the company is. They didn't show up to court at all.

[DJ Envy]

So they tried to force bankruptcy on that house. That's what it seems like they tried.

[Pinky Cole]

No, no, no, no, no. The house wasn't delayed on payments.

[DJ Envy]

So why did they.

[Pinky Cole]

It probably was the hoa. I don't know that to be true because they haven't responded.

[DJ Envy]

It could have been the HOA fees.

[Pinky Cole]

The house was occupied for three years and then vacant for two. It was vacant. We're, me and my attorneys, we're just assuming that because it was vacant, they Consider it abandoned. And you could do that if you feel like a house is the grass

[DJ Envy]

wasn't cut for two years.

[Pinky Cole]

No, no, no, no.

[DJ Envy]

Okay. All right.

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah, the grass. But again, my assumption. So we went to court, and I won. Not only did I win, I won attorney's fees. And then obviously, we're taking further action because that's really some real reputational damage on somebody when you assuming that they lost their house. House. You understand what I'm saying? This is an investment property. Then they put my personal house on the Internet. It's crazy, but I realized that, One, people on the Internet don't read. Okay. Two, just want to take a salacious headline. No, I really realize that now. But I'm so secure within my skin that it don't bother me. I'm like, all right, keep it moving. So now I'm gonna throw y' all ass back. Yeah. So when you see my little skits. That's why you see my skits. Because if I got you watching now, I'm gonna give you something to watch. So a creditor can just do that. They can just. I just learned that. Yes. I just learned that it was not my mortgage company. And see, I'm not like. I have almost a dozen properties, so, like, real estate is not the thing that I'm really good at, to be honest. It's just. It's not my thing. But I learned so much in real estate. Now I'm like, damn, they can really do that. But they ain't even show up to court.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Pinky Cole]

And they can't. They don't have to. They don't get penalized for not showing up. They got penalized because now you got to pay my lawyer. Yeah, But. But I'm gonna take further action because the way that they did it. Right. They disobeyed the law, basically. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Some of the. Like, the reports when that happened were saying that, like, they had. First, they were saying it was Guardian Asset Management, so it wasn't them.

[Pinky Cole]

It was them.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so those are the people that didn't show up to court.

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah, they didn't show up.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. And then.

[Pinky Cole]

But it's. They didn't take the house because I owed anything.

[Podcast Host]

Got you.

[Pinky Cole]

I think it was because it was abandoned. I didn't owe anything.

[Podcast Host]

So then I saw some reports that there were, like, they were putting notices on. Well, they are saying that they were putting notices and different things on the door and, like, almost like, trying to be in contact for whatever the reasoning was. And that was the answer. So that's why they went ahead and. I mean, they violated the stay, which worked in your favor, but that's why they went ahead and ignored the stay. So what were the notices? Or, like, what was the point of communication, if any.

[Pinky Cole]

You know what's funny? My first time ever going to that house was when I went to change the locks to get back in. Ever. And I've owned that house for probably almost four years. Yeah, I've never, ever stepped foot in the house. It was my cousin house. I bought the house for my cousin. He wanted to get off the house, and I bought it and just added it to my portfolio. I've never been to the house, you understand? So, like, when I finally go to the house to change the locks, I don't know how many notices they put on the door. But my realtors were also involved. But at the end of the day, it's a learning lesson for me because I learned how this process works. But, like, victory will prevail when I'm vindicated because, like, give me my stuff back.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you gotta pay your fees too, right?

[Pinky Cole]

And they gotta pay my fees, and I'm taking further action.

[DJ Envy]

So you so serious about your name? Right. And that's one thing I know about Pinky. You ever think about suing some of those people that have been going at you?

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah, watch me work. Watch me work. You know, I'm a silent assassin. Like, watch me work because your. Your name is all that you have. Like, you can have all the money in the world, but if you got a bad name, nobody will touch you. Right? The. The currency is who you are. My mouthpiece is a country club. I could lose it all today or tomorrow. But as long as I got my mouthpiece, I'm good. So I'm always use my mouthpiece to stand and represent who I am as an individual. Somebody from Baltimore, a Jamaican and an entrepreneur. Somebody who has worked hard for every single thing that I've gotten in my life. And I'm a flex on myself for a second. I made the COVID of Essence magazine, made the Times 100 list, made the Forbes list twice. Okay. Inc. Magazine cover, all the Bloomberg list, everything you can think of. You think I'm a lesson? I play with my name when I've worked so hard for my legacy and for my children and for everything that I'm creating. You out your mind? No.

[DJ Envy]

But how much is it worth it when you know they have nothing and the money that you spend in lawyer fees is probably you less than they even have?

[Pinky Cole]

Yeah, well, I don't have you do it right, you ain't got to pay no lawyer fees. You know what I'm saying?

[Brianna Stewart]

Yeah.

[Pinky Cole]

You get the right people to represent you, you don't have to pay lawyer fees. They do it.

[Podcast Host]

What do you. I know in June, you go back to court for the bankruptcy and they you have to or you have to submit your restructuring plan to the court. So what? It seems like you've learned a lot. He bring you up here to bull,

[Pinky Cole]

you know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

And I just feel like too, the way that people can learn from this, that's why I'm getting into all the other side of it. But what would your restructuring plan look like? Because like you said, now you have so much that you've learned. So what are you going to tell the court will be different or how things will be paid or like how that works?

[Pinky Cole]

Well, most 99 of my debt is business debt from the old CO. It's not personal debt. Most of the debt is business debt. So I'm excited about putting a plan together. And basically what that plan is is that my attorney and myself, we come up with a plan, we present it to the courts. This is how much based on how much she's making. So now, and this is a coachable moment, I haven't been on payroll personally for the last three and a half years. I don't get a W2. I don't pay myself personally, literally on paper, like, I don't have anything personally. So now I gotta put myself on payroll. You understand what I'm saying? And that's okay because now I can get a W2 and I can pay myself. But I'm excited about the fact that the courts are willing to work with me so that I could put a plan in place so that I can dissolve all of the things from my past. You know, we as entrepreneurs don't realize how oftentimes your past can corrupt you if you don't clear the playing field. So I get the opportunity to do that. But for the entrepreneurs who are thinking about bankruptcy, it is a tool, okay? There is no shame in bankruptcy. You're not broke because you filed bankruptcy. Think about it. Delta Airlines filed in what, 2005. They filed chapter 11, the same thing that I filed in 2005, and then they got out of bankruptcy in 2007. And that's the number one preferred airline in America, okay? It's given diamond medallion. All right? So just because you file for chapter 11 or chapter 15, which is for people who have international businesses, or chapter seven, if you want to close your business. That is really a restructure. Your president done did it several times. So utilize the US Bankruptcy code as a tool. I am not an attorney, but what I will say is the level of relief that I've gotten in my life as an entrepreneur when I put an automatic stay on everything that was coming after me money could not buy.

[DJ Envy]

Do you feel like you have anything to prove to anybody?

[Pinky Cole]

No. No. And I'll tell you why. Because I'm gonna take you back to that dark place that I was in, right? Nobody understood that cry. Nobody understood when the people that you love the most turned their back on you. Has that ever happened to y'?

[DJ Envy]

All?

[Pinky Cole]

Absolutely. Hell, yeah. Nobody understood how that felt when you put. You entrusted yourself and people that you've partnered with or that you worked with and they flip a light switch when the things don't go their way, that very difficult. So that is. You gotta build a coat of armor so tough after that happens that, like, your guard, your third eye is always open. So now I'm clear. And I said this to my friend the other day, sometimes when it's cloudy, that's when you get clear. And in my cloudy days is the moments where God literally, like, created a path for me so that anytime something comes my way, I ain't got to prove none of y'. All. I know who I am. I know whose I am. And now I'm about to do this show on April 5th, and you really get the opportunity to learn about me and my family and all of the great things, and just proud of that. I'm proud of the visibility. Like, there's two things in your professional life as entrepreneurs. You got your money engine, right? And you got your visibility engine. Okay, I already got the money engine. Now it's time for the visibility engine. Okay? And guess what I'm doing? Selling more franchises. Like, the negativity is really converting. That funnel was converting to more people interested in my brand. I got literally over a dozen people that want to franchise right now, so I'm taking it all. And. And I'm excited about this next season of my life. But the next season of my life is the rocket ship, and everybody can't go in it. Rocket ship, period. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

I was wondering how that was working for how this was all gonna, like, play out after bankruptcy ruling or whatever because of, you know, people see headlines and they see all the conversation, and then them franchising means that they're standing next to you in business, even if not directly. But so you're saying it's having a positive impact.

[Pinky Cole]

It is. You know why? Because the people who know who I am am. I'm solid as a rock. I am solid as a rock. And you can smell that. You understand that? Like, you can literally identify when somebody is real, authentic, genuine. Yeah, I may have a little hiccups, but if people still love my brand despite the hiccups, what does that tell you? Slutty vegan is weatherproof. Slutty vegan is weatherproof. So I'm excited to show what resilience looked like for people who have lost their businesses and trying to figure out the next steps and how to navigate. And, yeah, I show the highs, but I also show the lower.

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna ask.

[Pinky Cole]

And that's what makes you a leader.

[DJ Envy]

I was gonna ask, what do you want people to learn from this story?

[Pinky Cole]

I want people to learn that you only get one shot. Do not miss your chance to blow, because opportunity comes once in a lifetime.

[DJ Envy]

All right, Eminem.

[Pinky Cole]

Damn. A wise philosopher once said, right? A wise philosopher once said, I want people to understand that no matter how many times you get knocked out down, right? It's like we in a boxing ring, okay? And a minute. How many times you get knocked down, it's going to hurt. Guess who you got in your corner? God. And God is right here with the. What is it with the tissue, putting the ice on your face, making sure that you good, and throwing you back in the ring? And as long as you got God in your corner, you will forever be all right. Okay? Because God will always provide and prevail and make sure that you have what you need so that your business will always be successful. All of this is. Is a testimony I literally, everything that I've been through now I got coverage. I want to be around people that got experience. You understand what I'm saying? So that when I speak on large stages, I could say, hey, I know what it feel like to fail. I know what it feel like to win. I know what it feel like to eat on a glass plate. And I also know what it feel like to eat on a paper plate. And I got color. So now I'm not giving you fluff. I'm giving you real deal. Because I've been through it, all right?

[DJ Envy]

I got six kids, so it's paper plates and paper cups every night, baby. I ain't messing with you. Well, Pinky, we appreciate you for joining us. The season, Real Housewives of. Of Atlanta starts on the 5th of next month, April 5th. Make sure you definitely check it out. And check out her seven locations. I know the Jonesboro to Edgewood, the Birmingham, Brooklyn, of course, Brandon, Florida. Baltimore. Where's the other one? I missed one.

[Pinky Cole]

You said it.

[DJ Envy]

I got two in Baltimore, two in Baltimore. All right, make sure you go check it and support and we appreciate it.

[Pinky Cole]

And we're franchising. Okay, so go to sluttybeganatl.com if you want a franchise. Get on the winning team.

[DJ Envy]

How much is the franchise?

[Pinky Cole]

$40,000 to buy in.

[DJ Envy]

$40,000 to buy in. And then do you guys take care of build out or they have to take.

[Pinky Cole]

No, they have to take care of that build out. But it depends on, like, if you a second generation location, it could be 200,000 or 555,000 to a million. It just depends on where you want to go. Okay, what's going on with the sesh? Oh, we're about sessions. We're about to go on the road. So I. I can't say the full announcement, but it's about to happen. Oh, the last thing that I did not say, and I have to say this, so I've partnered with Earn your leisure Leisure. We are doing a online digital YouTube series teaching adults financial literacy. So did y' all see my video that I did, my Miss Rachel parody? Yeah, we're going to be doing more of that because I realized that sometimes people don't get it unless you put it on 808s.

[DJ Envy]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's Pink and Cole. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Podcast Host]

Hold up.

[Pinky Cole]

Every day I wake up.

[Bob Pittman]

Wake your ass up.

[Pinky Cole]

The Breakfast Club. Y' all finished or y' all done?

[Bob Pittman]

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights. Insights from the smartest minds in marketing. Coming up this season on Math and Magic, CEO of Liquid Death, Mike Cesario.

[John Green]

People think that creative ideas are like these light bulb moments that happen when you're in the shower where it's really like a stone sculpture. You're constantly just chipping away and refining.

[Bob Pittman]

Take to interactive CEO Strauss Selnick and her own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Listen to Math and magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Pinky Cole]

Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son? And I'm like, who is this person?

[Boys and Girls Podcast Host]

Welcome to the boys and girls podcast. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show and you're auditioning for your soulmate. And who's judging? Only your entire family. I sacrificed myself to this ancient tradition hoping to find love the right way. And instead I found chaos, comedy and a lot of cringe. Listen to boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nick Dickenpole Show Host]

On paper, the three hosts of the Nick Dickenpole show are geniuses. We can explain how AI works, data centers, but there are certain things that we don't necessarily understand better version of

[Daniel Alarcon]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Yes.

[Miles Turner]

Which by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that right.

[Nick Dickenpole Show Host]

But hey, no one's perfect. We're pretty close though. Listen to the Nick Dick and Paul show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy Robach]

Hey there folks. Amy Robach and T.J. holmes here and

[T.J. Holmes]

we know there is a lot of news coming at you these days. From the war with Iran to the ongoing Epstein fallout, government shutdowns, high profile trials, and what the hell is that Blake Lively thing about?

[Amy Robach]

Anyway, we are on it every day, all day.

[T.J. Holmes]

Follow us, Amy and TJ for news updates throughout the day.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to Amy and TJ on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

this Women's History Month. The podcast Keep It Positive Sweetie celebrates the power of women, choosing healing, purpose and faith. Even when life gets messy, love is not a destination.

[Pinky Cole]

You have to work on it every day.

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

Keep It Positive Sweetie creates space for honest conversations on self worth, worth, love, growth and navigating life with grace and grit led by women who uplift, inspire and tell the truth out loud.

[Pinky Cole]

I have several conversations with God and I know why it took 20 years

[Keep It Positive Sweetie Host]

to hear this and more. Listen to Keep It Positive sweetie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Host]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.