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INTERVIEW: Shakur Stevenson Talks Upcoming Fight With William Zepeda, Wanting To Fight Tank, Mase Beef + More
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- [00:00]
DJ Envy
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DJ Envy
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
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Charlamagne Tha God
The Breakfast Club.
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DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess. Hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Akis here as well. That means we got a special guest in the building.
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Charlamagne Tha God
That's right. The young, the lightweight. Everybody's scared to fight if you ask me.
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DJ Envy
From Newark, New Jersey, ladies and gentlemen, Shakur Stevenson. Welcome, brother.
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Shakur Stevenson
What's good? What's good? What's good?
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DJ Envy
Vix is Mike Charlemagne.
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Charlamagne Tha God
So it's close to the porch. All right.
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DJ Envy
There we go. How you feeling?
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Shakur Stevenson
I'm good, I'm good.
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Charlamagne Tha God
You fighting against William Zapata on July 12, right? That's a mandatory, right?
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Shakur Stevenson
Yeah. He actually the intern champs.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
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Shakur Stevenson
He got the little belt below my weight class. So I'm beat him up though. All right.
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DJ Envy
He said and he said a little belt.
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Charlamagne Tha God
What do you think of him? His skills, all that good stuff?
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Shakur Stevenson
Nah, he's actually a really tough fighter. He's going to come and put the pressure and he's gonna come to fight. So it ain't gonna be a boring fight. It's gonna be an entertaining fight. And I'm just ready to put on the show.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I wanna know why everybody afraid to fight. Shaka, I don't know if it's afraid or what, right? But I saw Rollie recently say that you are overrated because he said he feel like you got a weak resume. To me, I don't know if you I don't think your resume is your fault. Cause it's not like you aren't calling out these guys. It's not like you don't wanna fight the best.
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Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, actually, I'm the guy that really tried to fight everybody. Like, my last fight, I tried to fight the Kid Austin guy and he ended up sick and caught the flu. And I tried to fight Frank Martin, he pulled out. So I can't really take what Rollie said serious. Rollie been knocked out before and you can't. Like, he's a clown. He a clown.
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Unknown Female Host
So somebody like that can't call somebody like, what do you. What's a weak resume if you won titles in different divisions and he's a former unified champion, besides Tank, what's his resume? Yeah, and he got knocked out, truthfully, and.
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Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, and he got knocked out. So.
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DJ Envy
So who did you. Who would you want to fight? Who would you love to fight that you feel like you just can't get it done or duck? You want to fight Tank?
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Shakur Stevenson
I don't want to, like, keep saying that. I done said it.
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Unknown Female Host
You want to fight Tank.
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Shakur Stevenson
But I think that's the biggest fighter in the sport of boxing.
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Unknown Female Host
She a big Tank fan.
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Charlamagne Tha God
You know, she from Baltimore.
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Unknown Female Host
You want Tank to knock you out? Yo, I heard him say before, I ain't saying like, yo, I want to fight Tank. And that's nice, but why do you wants Tank to knock you out so bad?
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Shakur Stevenson
Like, that sound good. That sound real good. But she's too little.
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Unknown Female Host
Too little.
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Shakur Stevenson
I promise you, he's too little. And you going to be surprised that night. Matter of fact, you probably thought Lamont was going to get knocked out, too.
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Unknown Female Host
She did.
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Shakur Stevenson
I did exactly.
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Unknown Female Host
I did. But not the grease. The grease with the braid. And.
- [03:36]
Shakur Stevenson
That shit was funny as hell.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Did the fight with Roach change how you looked at Tank in any way?
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Shakur Stevenson
I knew how the fight was gonna go. I bet money and won money that night. I knew exactly how that fight was gonna go. I had Lamar Roach come to my training camp for sparring. And when he pulled up for sparring, I kind of knew, like, what type of fighter he was. And I kind of image in my brain how the fight was gonna go over him and Tank. And I swear it kind of went exactly like I said.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
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Unknown Female Host
How do you feel won the fight?
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Shakur Stevenson
I thought lamont1 facts. We could sit here and front on the ground.
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Unknown Female Host
No, I'm not going front.
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Shakur Stevenson
No, with the little knee, I thought.
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Unknown Female Host
Lamont definitely surprised me.
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So even even though they didn't call the knee, a knockdown. You still felt Lamont won more rounds?
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Shakur Stevenson
Yes. I thought it was at least 7 5.
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Unknown Female Host
Lamont, how you think the new one gonna go, the one coming up with Tank?
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Shakur Stevenson
We don't fight Lamont actually, like, I hope he don't get in the ring with him again because at the end of the day, if he lose, it's just gonna look bad on the fight with me, so. Gonna look like somebody else already did it.
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Unknown Female Host
He's right. It's go. That fight. Stock is gonna go a little down, but I heard Tank might be fighting Jake Paul. There's still rooms about that.
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Shakur Stevenson
Again, what do you think about that.
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DJ Envy
Fighter, if that happens? You think he takes it out of real fighting to, ah, this is complicated.
- [04:56]
Shakur Stevenson
No, it's a business. So he probably just trying to go get a bag. So I ain't, you know, I don't knock nobody for trying to make a bag, but I think he do gotta fight me before he retire.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I don't think. I mean, it's interesting, right, because does Tank have a great resume? When you look at it like that.
- [05:15]
Shakur Stevenson
I think his resume is solid. I think it's just kind of downplayed just because he kind of weight drained a lot of people. So he ain't really fight guys at his best. And when he kind of fought the people that was comfortable at the weight class, he kind of struggled. Like pit Bull and Lamar Roach. Yeah, yeah.
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Unknown Female Host
I mean, and because he, you know, so accepted by the, our community, the, the, you know, the, the hip hop culture, he became very popular because he hurt, he knocks people out. But when you think about it, I think the, the, the stigma is the guys, the big names, the Shakur, the Teofimos, and Devon, he hasn't fought those guys. And that's in the back of everybody's mind.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Why don't those fights happen?
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Shakur Stevenson
I think it's a lot of politics.
- [05:59]
DJ Envy
You got to move the mic a little closer.
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Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, yeah. I think it's a lot of politics, though. I think it's a lot of people, you know, getting in the way of certain fights. And it's also fighters, too, like Tank, got to be the person that says, I want to fight this guy. And when he says he want to fight somebody, he's going to make it happen. So it's on home.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Did you really just split with Matchroom and Eddie Hearns?
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Shakur Stevenson
No, I'm just like, you gotta realize what my situation is, whatever I want. So if I want Eddie to be involved, Eddie gonna be involved. And if I Don't want him involved. He's not gonna be involved. But I actually like Eddie Hearn. I've been telling people for the longest, I think he's one of the best promoters in the sport of boxing.
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DJ Envy
So what do you think about the. The new Saudi chic that's really been taking over boxing and investing a lot of money into boxing?
- [06:41]
Shakur Stevenson
I. I like it. I like it. It's kind of like a gift and a curse because I feel like he want to make the biggest and best fights happen, but also he gotta know, like, what fighters is the best fighters. Like, he gotta understand the sport of boxing a little bit more too. So I like it, but still, it's like I want him to, like, do a little bit more homework and understand, like, who is the best fighters. And you want, if you want the best versus the best, make the best versus the best. Not really, though.
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Unknown Female Host
Can you talk about the little, I guess not disagreement, but miscommunication you have with him? Because you fought in Saudi against Padley. You said you had the biggest bag of your life over there, and you made easy work of Padley, and you had a two fight deal with Matroom. And then for the Zeppeda fight, you put out on social media that they promised me a certain amount of money and now they backtracking on that. But then, then you put out a tweet saying, we got it together, we figured it out. So explain that whole situation.
- [07:39]
Shakur Stevenson
I mean, I, I can't really tell all the details. All I'm gonna say is, like, in business, you going go back and forth, you know, like, God, feel is he's worth this. And somebody say, oh, no, you worth this. So at the end of the day, I'm a guy. I stand on principle, I stand on integrity. We got it together. So shout out to J. Prince. He came in and helped the situation out.
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Unknown Female Host
Cause I spoke to Eddie Hearn yesterday and I asked him the same thing, and he was like, well, the original deal was for Shakur to fight in Saudi. And when you fight in Saudi, there's a premium, you get a little bit more. But since this fight is supposedly gonna be in Central Park, I don't know if it's true. That's the rumors. That's why it was a little less. Is that something like that?
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Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, it's something according to that was what I heard. But like I said, I don't try to speak too much.
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Unknown Female Host
Yeah, yeah. I feel, you know, what do you.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Think they was giving you a little backlash, though, because they said you Apologized just to get a higher payday. Did he say that the Turk be like, all right, man, you better apologize for that now.
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Shakur Stevenson
If not, I'm at the end of the day. It was kind of a miscommunication, okay. And I kind of reacted quick instead of thinking about what I was doing. So with the miscommunication, I kind of, you know, that's why I just had to, you know, be a man and do what I had to do type.
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Charlamagne Tha God
And you said something else. That makes a lot of sense. Who is talking to the Turk. Turk about boxing.
- [08:55]
Shakur Stevenson
That's what I'll be saying. I feel as though like I ain't gonna say the people around them, but I do think that a lot of people need to do their homework enough to understand what's what. And once they understand it, just like with this car, they got me the co main event under Edgar, you know, Eggo, my homie, I ain't gonna say nothing bad about him, but I'm the biggest star in the car. I'm the goddess like people want to see. I'm the. In the biggest fight. I got the best resin. Like, I ain't even gonna say resume because they try to trash it, but I got, I got them. I'm the most accomplished too. So just to put me on like his undercard, it really don't make no sense.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I didn't even look at the card. I just assumed that that was the main event.
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Unknown Female Host
Yeah, but. But I heard that it's kind of like what's happening in Times Square. They like all made all main events.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
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Unknown Female Host
I mean, like kind of co. Main or main.
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Shakur Stevenson
Even if they was main event, take me out that card. What do you think that car does? Like, nobody really going to pay attention to it. They paying attention to it because it's me.
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Unknown Female Host
Yeah. I mean, you the only multi division champion, so. I hear you, I hear your argument. But as far as Turkey, I'll touch on that too. He's a real fight fan, right. He loves the sport and he. He's obviously poured so much money into it, so he wants to get it right. He'll take. You know, Eddie Hearn knows the sport and other people, so he's trying to make it better. But when you come into something new like that, you might make mistakes here and there. But I think he's put so much air into the sport, like so much life into it that, you know, these fighters are happy.
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Charlamagne Tha God
He is making the best fights to me over the last couple of years.
- [10:28]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He tried to make the best fights. But it's still, you know, I like, I like the biggest and best fights. I want to fight Tank.
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DJ Envy
Now I was going to ask, you know, what's your opinion on the way that these fights, like a Times Square fight and Central park fight and how does that affect the boxer? Because it could be too humid out there. So, so how do, do you like those type of fights where it's just off brand of what it usually is or.
- [10:48]
Shakur Stevenson
I don't care where I fight at. We can fight anywhere, truthfully.
- [10:51]
DJ Envy
But you got lint on your face. I don't want to have you.
- [10:54]
Unknown Female Host
No, you good right here under your neck, behind me. Right there. You almost got it right. Tell me.
- [11:11]
Shakur Stevenson
But nah, nah. I think that the Central park and town square, I think that's cool. Like I think, you know, people performed in Central park before, so it's gonna be a big event and I'm all for it.
- [11:21]
Unknown Female Host
Has Turkey. Have you ever had a conversation with Turkey U.J. prince about tank and like has he ever said that I'm gonna make Tank an offer to fight you now he's.
- [11:30]
Shakur Stevenson
Definitely want the Tank fight.
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Unknown Female Host
Okay.
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Shakur Stevenson
He want to take, like I said, it's all up to Tank so he gotta just come on board and let's make a big ass bag. Let's do it.
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Charlamagne Tha God
When you talk about fighting outside, do you think there's like an underappreciated mental side to boxing that fans and commentators don't understand?
- [11:49]
Shakur Stevenson
Yes, yes, yes. I think like a lot of people don't know about boxing. Like I remember it was a quote where Roger Mayweather said most people don't know about boxing, that's a fact. But you know, it brings eyes to the sport. You know, you got the YouTubers now in the sport of boxing, you got a lot of people, people that's paying attention to it. So I appreciate the viewers, but I do think people need to do a little bit more homework.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I think it's a sweet science. I mean I think even with you, you know what I mean? Like if I've seen people. Somebody called you the. Who was it recently that called him the best defensive fighter ever? Was it Sean Porter? I don't remember.
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Unknown Female Host
A lot of people have been saying that.
- [12:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
I say that. So it's like a sweet science to what you do. Like it may not be knockout, knockouts all the time, but you're a fantastic boxer.
- [12:31]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah. And you know, some nights I may come out there and put on a amazing performance and put on the offensive display like I did with Jamel Herring. So it just depends on what happens that night or what I'm feeling that night. At the end of the day, you.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Think you can hurt Tank if y'all fight?
- [12:45]
Shakur Stevenson
Yes. I mean, I. You gotta realize Lamont had no disrespect to Lamont either. He had, what, 10 knockouts? I got, what, 11. So we ain't too far off. And he was kind of hurting him, too. So if he could hurt him, I know I could hurt him, too.
- [12:59]
Unknown Female Host
What about you? And Lamont was here last time. We was all here, and I asked him about you, if. I guess if the Tank fight doesn't happen.
- [13:06]
Shakur Stevenson
Perfect.
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Unknown Female Host
We was talking about if he wins. He said, yeah, Shakur's on my list next.
- [13:10]
Shakur Stevenson
Perfect. I think that me and him been talking about this for years. So, like, I already like Lamont, my boy. I'm real cool with him. But we could really squabble at the end of the day. So if it come down to it, and Tank say he don't want to fight him again, I'll go fight Lamont. X.
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Unknown Female Host
Let's talk about your bro, Keshawn Davis, right? Like, obviously, he on fire right now. He about to fight De Los Santos, a common opponent that you fought. And people were really trying to put y'all against each other, not only in a fight, but just like, oh, I think he gonna beat De los Santos better than Shakur did. Do you worry about that at all?
- [13:45]
Shakur Stevenson
Nah. Cause at the end of the day, I want him to. Like, at the end of the day, you gotta realize, when I met Keyshawn, keyshawn was, like 13 years old, little bad kid from the gutter. And it's like I kind of grabbed him up. This is my brother. We da, da, da, make him better and shit. So it's like now, to see him evolve and to see him become world champion, that's something good for me. Like, if he go out there and crush De Los Santos, that's good for me.
- [14:10]
DJ Envy
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Shakur Stevenson
Hey, what up y'all?
- [15:29]
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Shakur Stevenson
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Shakur Stevenson
Make me feel good about just myself, too.
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Unknown Female Host
Are you taking them under the wing and all that?
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Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, it's like my. My brother. So at the end of the day, I'm not.
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Unknown Female Host
Most fighters are throwing shots at that. They're like, man, ain't no friends or brothers in this business. I don't know why Shakur saying he'll never fight Keyshawn and vice versa.
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Shakur Stevenson
But if you have somebody that you really close with, you gotta get in the ring and you gotta kill mentality. He gotta kill mentality. It's like, what you talking about? I don't wanna hear that shit.
- [17:23]
Unknown Female Host
So, yeah, I feel you.
- [17:24]
Shakur Stevenson
I fight tell any fighters that got something to say about it.
- [17:27]
Unknown Female Host
I'll fight them.
- [17:28]
Shakur Stevenson
Fight me. How about that?
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Charlamagne Tha God
How. How difficult is it to not take boxing personal? Because y'all are going in there and beating up on each other. You know what I'm saying?
- [17:34]
Shakur Stevenson
Like, I mean, it's very difficult. You gotta still understand it's a business and a sport at the end of the day. That's why I kind of used to go wrong. I used to always take it personal and I used to feel like. Cause it's my life at the end of the day. So now I'm just at a point where it's like, I understand it's a business. I understand it's a sport. Just how you said Tank going to fight Jake Paul, that makes sense. Like, I get why you would go fight Jake Paul, but just don't retire without fighting me is how I feel.
- [18:01]
DJ Envy
He want that smoke so bad.
- [18:03]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, the Tank Jake Paul thing is cool if it's a real fight. I mean, I really mean that. I don't know how real these fights are.
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Unknown Female Host
Well, Jake Paul fights are real. I'm going to speak on on his behalf, cuz I've, you know, done business fake fights before.
- [18:16]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I'm not saying they fake, but I think people might hold back a little bit.
- [18:20]
Shakur Stevenson
Who you think you talking about?
- [18:21]
DJ Envy
Like the Tyson fight.
- [18:22]
Unknown Female Host
Oh, that's a real fight.
- [18:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't know if Tyson.
- [18:24]
Unknown Female Host
That's a real fight.
- [18:25]
Charlamagne Tha God
If. Put it like this. If Tank don't knock out Jake Paul Within 30 to 45 seconds, it ain't real to me.
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Shakur Stevenson
Whoa, whoa. Why do you feel that way?
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Unknown Female Host
Jake is big, bro. Jake is big.
- [18:36]
Shakur Stevenson
Tank is little. Jake Paul is like 200 plus on a regular.
- [18:41]
Charlamagne Tha God
I still think. I still personally believe tension knock him out. Remember when Flip Mayweather fought Logan Paul?
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Shakur Stevenson
You thought he should have not.
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Charlamagne Tha God
No, I didn't think he should knock Logan out, but he, he made Logan look silly. So Tank with his power should be able to. To clean up.
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Unknown Female Host
But Jake is way better than his brother Logan.
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Charlamagne Tha God
That's the start of knock out Jake Paul.
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Unknown Female Host
I mean, it can happen, but I don't, I don't. I just don't know how that fight makes sense because he's so much heavier than him. So I don't know how they gonna make.
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Charlamagne Tha God
We thought about that with the Mayweather Logan, but, but. And I was telling everybody, y'all think Logan just gonna come in there and knock Meweather out? No, like Mayweather, the greatest defensive fighter of all time and he's a boxer.
- [19:19]
Shakur Stevenson
Like, I get the power is real. I get all of that. But at the end of the day, that's a man that's like almost £100 bigger than him. So I don't see it. I don't see no knockout.
- [19:29]
Charlamagne Tha God
So with that said, one of your mentors is also but facts. And he's going up a lot of weights to fight Canelo, but it ain't.
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Shakur Stevenson
It ain't 100 pounds.
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Charlamagne Tha God
What is it, like 50? It's like 50, right?
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Unknown Female Host
No, no, right now he had 154. So it's just two way classes.
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Charlamagne Tha God
168. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
- [19:47]
Unknown Female Host
Yeah. I think you started that whole thing right here when you said would you fight him? You asked Canelo, you asked Canelo, if Bug comes at the 160, would you fight him? And now it's about to happen.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I'll only do it if you come to 168.
- [19:59]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, I've been saying that for years, though. I've been saying for years. I think Bud to beat Canelo. I think Bud just got the style that outbox Canelo. I seen Canelo get outboxed several times. So I think Bud is the guy.
- [20:12]
DJ Envy
What? What did you think? Everybody thought Bud was gonna lose when he fought. Everybody thought he was gonna lose. And he came in P. Charlamagne, thought he was gonna lose.
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Shakur Stevenson
He came and shot everybody.
- [20:20]
Charlamagne Tha God
But I've been saying that for you because I've always been an Earl Spence fan, but God damn.
- [20:24]
Shakur Stevenson
Actually, I, I had bet a lot of money that night too. I made so much money that night. I've been, I've been. I was in Kent with Bud. Like, I seen how he was trained. I seen how he was feeling, and he just had a chip on his shoulder. And watching him with that chip on his shoulder, it kind of like motivated me. Like, it was like A very motivational situation.
- [20:43]
Unknown Female Host
So, you know you're close with Terence Crawford, right?
- [20:46]
Shakur Stevenson
That's my brother. Yeah.
- [20:47]
Unknown Female Host
I talked to him yesterday. He was like, you better treat my brother right when he come up there. Did you hear what May said, though?
- [20:52]
Who?
- [20:53]
Shakur Stevenson
Mace. Mace. What did he say?
- [20:55]
Unknown Female Host
Mace? He had this to say. He said, I don't want to see Shakur fight. I'm going to be honest. No disrespect to Newark, but I don't want to see Shakur fight nobody. For him to be hanging out with Terence Crawford and Andre Ward, there's absolutely no way that he's fighting the way he's fighting.
- [21:08]
Shakur Stevenson
You know, like. Like. Like I said with the other people, like, I can't really take some of these guys too serious, because it's like they make a living off of trolling people. Like, trolling is what they do on a regular basis. So even before, when I kind of reacted to them, I don't feel the same way now. Now it's like, okay, I understand the business aspect of it, so kudos to him. But, yeah, I'm gonna keep making money. I'm gonna keep being the best. And none of these could be me facts.
- [21:34]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know what's crazy, though? They're not saying anything about you that they didn't say about somebody like a Floyd, though, because people do not. For whatever reason, people don't respect defensive fighters, even War.
- [21:44]
Unknown Female Host
She mentioned Ward. They said the same thing about Dre.
- [21:46]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a stigma on black fighters who don't get beat up, don't get hit outbox people. But, like, a Lima, Cenko, or before can go outbox the same people, then you'll never hear no boring things on them. So I just hear it. But it is what it is.
- [22:04]
Charlamagne Tha God
Does that get into your head when you're in the ring, though, like, because, you know, you. You got your style, does it make you feel like y'all want to be a little bit more aggressive? I do want to try to get a knockout just to shut people up.
- [22:13]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, it kind of did. And that's where I'll be going wrong, because I always realized my knockouts come from not trying. Like, I don't expect it when I knock people out, but with that, like, in mind, it's like you gotta tame. Tame yourself. You gotta calm down, relax, and not look for the knockout. When you look for it, it kind of gets sloppy, and it gets a little ugly. So me knowing that now, I just go in there, not looking for it. And if it comes, it comes.
- [22:41]
Unknown Female Host
You know, you, you're a big lightweight in my opinion, like 135. So you, obviously, I don't think you small. I've seen lightweights. I think you could be at 140 and still be a fair size in that division. So obviously if the tank fight doesn't happen, there's so many fights at 140, you know what I'm saying?
- [22:58]
Shakur Stevenson
Like I said, I'll move up for the big fight.
- [22:59]
Unknown Female Host
For the big fight.
- [23:00]
Shakur Stevenson
If it's like a little fight that don't make sense, like, I'm really not a 40 pounder, like on some.
- [23:05]
Unknown Female Host
Really?
- [23:05]
Shakur Stevenson
No, I'm not a 40 pounder. I'm a, I'm barely even a third round.
- [23:08]
Unknown Female Host
You don't think you'll end your career at least at 147 or something?
- [23:11]
Shakur Stevenson
I used to think that, but nah, nah, I don't think so. I mean, I will go there for the right fights. Like, I just watch Connor Ben. I like Connor Ben too. Yeah, yeah. No disrespect, he tough, but I will fight him at like 154. What I told you, for the right fight, I swear I would fight him.
- [23:26]
Unknown Female Host
Kind of tough man, and he throws hard punches.
- [23:29]
Shakur Stevenson
Like I said, for the right fights, I'll move up.
- [23:32]
Charlamagne Tha God
Is it hard to get, get up to that kind of weight?
- [23:34]
Shakur Stevenson
I mean, you had to like, I guess train a little harder far as weight wise and put on a little bit more weight. But I think skills pay the bills. Like, I feel like with my skills I can fight a lot of guys at the highway class.
- [23:47]
Charlamagne Tha God
Would that slow you down defensively though?
- [23:49]
Shakur Stevenson
Nah, my defense is always there. Like I said, I spar with Bud on the regular. Like I spar with big guys regularly, so it ain't gonna slow nothing down.
- [23:59]
Charlamagne Tha God
It was Sean Porter who said he feels like home for the.
- [24:02]
Shakur Stevenson
My last camp.
- [24:03]
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay. Okay.
- [24:04]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, yeah.
- [24:04]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, so then maybe that's where he got that from me, he said, I've never seen a fighter with the kind of defense that Shakur Stevenson has. And he says he feels that your. He feels like your defense is even greater than Mayweather.
- [24:15]
Shakur Stevenson
Shout out to Sean Porter, man. That's my guy. Actually, when he pulled up, when he pulled up.
- [24:22]
Unknown Female Host
I'm sorry, I'm about to.
- [24:25]
DJ Envy
She was about to be appearing on your ass.
- [24:27]
Shakur Stevenson
You gotta get me. Hey, shout out to my youngest back here too. This Zayquin Moses and Manual Chance. Young fighters.
- [24:35]
DJ Envy
They're your new boxes, right?
- [24:37]
Shakur Stevenson
My little cousin there down there, my little brother too. So young Fighters coming up, they professional too.
- [24:43]
Unknown Female Host
Yeah, they can fight, but.
- [24:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
But how did you feel when Sean said that about you?
- [24:47]
Shakur Stevenson
I appreciate it because Sean actually been in there firsthand, so he went to the ring and sparred me, so he seen what I can do. And when he got out the ring, he kind of knew, like, okay, he's the guy. So I appreciate Sean, actually. I feel like if Sean wanted to come back right now, he could come back for the right fight. Wow. Yeah, he kind of surprised me. He did six rounds with me, so I respect him.
- [25:10]
Charlamagne Tha God
Did you study Mayweather?
- [25:11]
Shakur Stevenson
Yes.
- [25:12]
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
- [25:12]
Shakur Stevenson
I studied everything about Floyd from head to toe. Yes.
- [25:16]
Charlamagne Tha God
When he heard that or if he heard it, did he hit you up like, all right, now, don't think you better than me. You know what I mean?
- [25:24]
Shakur Stevenson
Man, you know Floyd so well. Floyd ain't hit me up and say nothing like that. Floyd is actually a cool dude. For me personally, like, when I hear the stories about him, I don't really take into it because he kind of one on one with me. He cool.
- [25:37]
Unknown Female Host
But he would say something like that, though.
- [25:39]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, he does. Like the ultra competitor.
- [25:41]
Charlamagne Tha God
Come spot with me right now. Let me show you.
- [25:43]
Shakur Stevenson
I would love to spar with Floyd.
- [25:44]
DJ Envy
Never sparred with him at all.
- [25:46]
Shakur Stevenson
I would love to, but, like, the thing is, like, even when I watch, because I know he probably a little hesitant about sparring the young fighters now because with Devin's situation, they kind of put out there that they beat him up and all of that. I'm not that type of dude. Like, if I sparred Floyd, nobody would know how I went. It would be just me learning. Like, I wouldn't even go in there to try to like Floyd older now. So I wasn't going there to try to get off on Floyd. I'm going in there to learn. Like, okay, let me watch his reaction. Let me see how his speed is at this age, what little tricks he got going. And yeah, I'll probably take them tricks and use them in the ring for myself. So that's just the type of dude I am, though.
- [26:20]
Unknown Female Host
Is there fighting that that you kind of fought and really got off on him, but you actually personally like him and you're like, damn, I wish it didn't have to be him. I wish it didn't have to, like, beat him up.
- [26:30]
Shakur Stevenson
Jamel Herring. Jamel Herring. Everybody thought I was beefed out with him because we was kind of going back and forth before the fight, but.
- [26:37]
Unknown Female Host
Man, that you killed him.
- [26:39]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah. But at the end of the day, I really like him, like, as an individual, he's like a super cool individual. He always like looking out for me before that, so I appreciate Jermaine.
- [26:48]
Unknown Female Host
You think he like you? You beat his ass like that?
- [26:50]
Shakur Stevenson
Nah, he actually does, though.
- [26:51]
Unknown Female Host
We actually.
- [26:54]
Shakur Stevenson
Yeah, we cool.
- [26:55]
Charlamagne Tha God
What's something you learned outside the ring that's helped you the most inside the ring?
- [26:59]
Shakur Stevenson
Something I learned outside the ring that helped me the most. The smartest man will win, and that's in any situation when it comes to business, anything, the smartest man is always going to win. And I think as far as boxing, being out, being able to outsmart my opponents is kind of what took me over the edge with everybody.
- [27:19]
Unknown Female Host
Let's talk Ryan Garcia. A lot of people saying he's so com. I mean, the controversy aside with the Devin thing, right? With the PED thing, he obviously, we saw him beat Devin bad, and he was at a weight where he was comfortable142. So how does a Tank and Ryan fight play out? If it was at 140 or weight that Ryan was more comfortable, I think.
- [27:41]
Shakur Stevenson
It'D be a very different fight. I think. I think Tank is like, he's a good fighter, but, like, the Ryan Garcia that he fought that night wasn't the same Ryan Garcia that Devin Haney fought. And Ryan was feeling good. And you actually seen when he fought Tank, he didn't have no respect for Tank. Like, he wasn't scared of Tank at all. It just was the fact that he wasn't able to take the punches that was coming back at him. So I think it'll be a very different fight.
- [28:09]
Charlamagne Tha God
So you beat William on July 12th. Just say you beat William on July 12th. Tank beats Roach, but then take goes to fight Jake Paul. Tank don't want to Shakur Stevenson fight. What does Shakur Stevenson do for his legacy and his resume then?
- [28:24]
Shakur Stevenson
I just keep working, keep working. Fight the next best available opponents and stay focused. At the end of the day, the movement doesn't revolve around him. So whatever he got going on, he got going on. If he says he don't want to fight me, he retires without fighting me. That's cool. That's on his legacy. He gotta live with that. But truthfully, for me, I fight the next available opponents. I fight Lamont Roach. I fight maybe running back with an Edwin De Los Santos or something. So honestly, I just, you know, just stay focused and I think my. My time gonna come.
- [28:57]
Charlamagne Tha God
Would you be disappointed if you don't ever get that fight?
- [29:00]
Shakur Stevenson
I would just be disappointed in the fact that the way he was talking, like, the way, oh, I'm going. He on my list. He on my list. And like, the way he kind of put out threats in a way like. Like, somebody's supposed to be scared of that shit. It'll be disappointing that we don't get to clash in the ring, but if he go do that, fuck him.
- [29:18]
Unknown Female Host
Who's the next best star? Like, is it Orion or Teofimo? Like, where it would be still a big money fight.
- [29:26]
Shakur Stevenson
I would fight all of them guys. I've been saying I want to fight Tio for the longest, so Tio will be the perfect fight for me. But I think, like, boxing will forever evolve, so it's never going to just stop with one guy. So it may be a young superstar coming up. I like the Emiliano Vargas. I see superstar potential with him. Maybe one day in the sport, me and him could lock in and get a big fight going. So I just got to stay focused and stay on my game. Yeah.
- [29:52]
Charlamagne Tha God
I don't want to hear none of them fighters say Shakur is overrated. I don't want to hear them fighters say, Shakur can't knock nobody out if you're not going to get in the ring.
- [30:00]
Shakur Stevenson
Facts.
- [30:00]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's how I feel. Don't say none of that if you're not going to get in the ring.
- [30:04]
Unknown Female Host
Had. Beat him.
- [30:05]
Shakur Stevenson
Word.
- [30:06]
DJ Envy
We appreciate you for joining us this morning, brother.
- [30:08]
Shakur Stevenson
Appreciate y'all too.
- [30:09]
DJ Envy
And have a successful camp. Cuz I know you about to hit camp, right?
- [30:12]
Shakur Stevenson
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
- [30:13]
DJ Envy
All right, well, it's the Breakfast Club. It's your call, Stevenson. Let's go wake that ass up early in the morning.
- [30:19]
Charlamagne Tha God
The Breakfast Club.
- [30:25]
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