INTERVIEW: Tiffany Cross, Bakari Sellers, Andrew Gillum & Angela Rye Talk Government Shutdown + More

Summary

The Breakfast Club: Tiffany Cross, Bakari Sellers, Andrew Gillum & Angela Rye Talk Government Shutdown + More

Podcast: The Breakfast Club (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guests: Tiffany Cross, Bakari Sellers, Andrew Gillum, Angela Rye
Air Date: October 14, 2025

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Overview

This episode brings together four influential Black political commentators—Tiffany Cross, Bakari Sellers, Andrew Gillum, and Angela Rye—to discuss the current government shutdown, the evolving state of Black media representation, challenges within mainstream political discourse, and the importance of challenging misinformation. The conversation is lively, humorous, and often unfiltered, as the hosts and guests tackle urgent political and cultural topics impacting Black communities and the nation at large.

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Main Discussion Themes

1. Formation and Purpose of “Native Land Pod”

[02:14–03:16]

• The group discusses how their collaboration came about, emphasizing friendship and a shared mission of authentic commentary.
• Touches on prior speculative reports about them potentially getting a show at CNN.
• Chemistry and authenticity among the hosts are emphasized as crucial for the new platform.

Notable Quote

“I think that to not tell the truth is more dangerous than to uphold the lie.”
—Bakari Sellers [04:14]

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2. Media Landscape, Representation, and Censorship

[03:46–07:47]

• The decline of independent Black voices in mainstream media.
• Pressures faced by Black journalists and commentators, particularly in the Trump era.
• The group’s commitment to unfiltered, well-researched, community-centered discussion, free from institutional censorship.

Notable Quote

“We lead with our community, we lead with our Blackness because we've been so brutally oppressed in this country that we owe it to the people... to give you our most authentic selves and our most real takes on things at these dangerous times.”
—Tiffany Cross [05:24]

• Discussion of how “objectivity” in journalism often defaults to white, male perspectives.

Notable Quote

“You do see Black faces on networks, but not a lot of Black voices. … What's considered unbiased is rooted in what is white and male.”
—Tiffany Cross [07:47]

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3. Problems with Mainstream Political Communication

[09:43–13:36]

• The importance of breaking down complex issues in everyday language.
• Critique of Democratic messaging: being too lengthy, academic, and disconnected from most Americans.
• The need for Democrats to adopt more direct, relatable messaging—contrasting with Republicans’ emphasis on simplicity and emotional appeal.
• A lively exchange about the failings of Democratic leadership to “meet the moment.”

Notable Quotes

“Leadership… has to be part qualified by your willingness to walk into the fire, especially when your life is in the fire every single day.”
—Andrew Gillum [15:09]

“Too much like Democrats have become a party that talks at people. They don't even talk to people.”
—Bakari Sellers [13:26]

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4. Engaging Youth and New Media Strategies

[17:13–32:44]

• The challenge of reaching nontraditional and younger audiences, who increasingly consume news via TikTok, YouTube, and social media influencers.
• Candid discussion about adapting to youth media habits—using captions, short videos, and accessible language.
• Angela Rye shares an anecdote about a college student who was inspired by the Native Land podcast, underscoring the impact of their authenticity.

Notable Quote

“Power attempts to look inaccessible. Because if it's inaccessible, then you don't have to worry about everyday common man and woman holding you to account.”
—Andrew Gillum [19:24]

• Debate over whether to engage with conservative platforms like Turning Point USA and Blexit on HBCU campuses.
• Concerns voiced that ignoring their outreach can leave a vacuum to be filled with misinformation.

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5. How to Handle Misinformation and Opposing Voices

[28:36–34:36]

• The panel debates the value and risks of platforming voices like Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro.
• Strong consensus emerges: If controversial figures are given a platform, they must be challenged—and hosts must be prepared.
• Distinction drawn between honest conservative voices and bad-faith “performers” trafficking in disinformation.

Notable Quotes

“I do think that we should put conservative voices on our show… But when they go unchecked and unchallenged, this is where you end up.”
—Bakari Sellers [29:09]

“There's a difference between conservative voices and a Candace Owens. … I've been opposed to performative people who are intentionally trafficking misinformation.”
—Tiffany Cross [29:46]

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6. Government Shutdown: Whose Fault? Who’s Hurt?

[37:11–45:44]

• The hosts and guests break down the current government shutdown, its roots, and who is affected.
• Republicans in control (White House, Senate, House) are held primarily responsible for the shutdown and for transferring massive wealth to the top 1%.
• Panelists explain, in layman’s terms, how policy decisions impact everyday Americans, especially federal workers and those dependent on government benefits (e.g., SNAP, WIC, Medicaid).
• Vigorous pushback against false equivalence; panelists urge listeners to “follow your truth” and prioritize the real-world consequences over partisan blame games.

Notable Quotes

“The government is shut down because of Republicans. Now, I'm guessing that the average voter really doesn't care about fault right now. They want to know how to get it back open.”
—Andrew Gillum [41:53]

“Stop politicizing people's pain. … I don't care who did what. I want my check.”
—DJ Envy [44:22]

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7. Final Thoughts & Community Building

[45:44–46:47]

• Guests encourage listeners to subscribe to Native Land Pod and announce its Substack launch.
• A heartfelt moment as the hosts praise Andrew Gillum’s clarity and wish for his political return.
• Lighthearted remarks about attending NBA Youngboy concerts and connecting with younger generations.

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Notable Memorable Moments

• Angela Rye’s playful roast of Charlamagne’s Morris Chestnut comparison [05:02]
• Bakari Sellers on consistent, unfiltered truth:
  “To not tell the truth is more dangerous than to uphold the lie.” [04:14]
• Jess Hilarious breaking down problems with Democratic ‘essays’ instead of straight talk [12:44]
• Andrew Gillum’s plainspoken summary of the shutdown:
  “The government is shut down because of Republicans. It isn’t rocket science.” [41:53]
• Discussion of how conservative groups are actively courting HBCU students while Democrats risk complacency [21:42–26:54]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:14] – How the new group podcast was formed
• [04:14] – Commitment to honest, unfiltered commentary
• [05:24] – Centering Black perspectives
• [07:47] – Critique of representation in mainstream media
• [09:43] – The need for layman’s political language
• [13:26] – Democratic Party critique
• [17:13] – Advice on broadening audience reach
• [21:42]–[26:54] – HBCU outreach; challenges from the right
• [28:36] – Handling controversial/opposing voices
• [37:11]–[45:44] – Deep dive: Government shutdown causes and impact
• [44:22] – Politicizing people’s pain
• [45:44] – Native Land Pod Substack and closing thoughts

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Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking nuanced, authentic Black perspectives on contemporary politics, the media landscape, and the pressing realities of the 2025 government shutdown. The guests are passionate, informed, and determined to make political education engaging and accessible—insisting that truth-telling, community focus, and adapting to new media are critical to advancing both information and liberation.

Subscribe to Native Land Pod and follow the crew for ongoing honest, unapologetic media.

Transcript

[Angela Rye]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Gillum]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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Hold up.

[DJ Envy]

Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.

[Hilarious]

The Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

You don't finish or y' all done?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy. Jess, Hilarious Charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa is here as well and they about to fight Already.

[Tiffany Cross]

Already.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Angela Rod, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillum. And new to the show, y' all just added the brother, Bakari Sellers.

[Hilarious]

Yeah, man, you know they needed ratings so I just.

[Bakari Sellers]

Actually gear someone to pull your show numbers against ours.

[DJ Envy]

Okay, how is this gonna work?

[Andrew Gillum]

Just like this show. Just let him go.

[Bakari Sellers]

I can't find my show numbers.

[Hilarious]

I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be home. It's a good group of people and right you need a platform like this. So I think it's a perfect timing, perfect match.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now why did you guys decide to do it together?

[Bakari Sellers]

I was just getting ready to tell you. I'm glad you asked that. You know, when we started this show, I envisioned this group and Bakari was trying to Be Bougie and keep his little Spotify deal.

[Hilarious]

Wow.

[Andrew Gillum]

And so he said, prove it to me. Little Spotify.

[Angela Rye]

Deal?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like a little Spotify deal.

[Hilarious]

First of all, first of all, better.

[Bakari Sellers]

Than the one now.

[Hilarious]

I was like, my deal wasn't little, but shout out to Bill Simmons for giving me an opportunity. But everything runs its course.

[Bakari Sellers]

He didn't pay for this commercial. Commercial. The point is that we wanted him. We wanted him to be a part of this and always like. And I kept, I would keep coming back, right? I would keep saying, you. Are you ready? You ready? And it finally worked out. And so I'm really, really thrilled about it, especially at this really difficult time.

[Hilarious]

Some talented folk around me too. So I appreciate that. And it's a family, so we've always been friends. And it's always good to work with people who you're friends with.

[DJ Envy]

Wasn't there supposed to be a variation of this at cnn? At one point it was called the Squad, but it was mp. It was April Ryan.

[Andrew Gillum]

I don't know that it was allegedly. Allegedly.

[Hilarious]

No.

[Bakari Sellers]

I, I think what's funny frustrating is we, we were the squad on CNN and we did segments. What was frustrating about is there was a story that was leaked that said they were giving us a show. We ain't know nothing about it, Right?

[Andrew Gillum]

Like, did you ever get approached about a show?

[Hilarious]

I don't think that was going to happen, but I do think that the chemistry was there and people saw it on screen. So hopefully people can. People can see it now. Yeah, we woke up, it was on Page Six one day, right?

[Tiffany Cross]

That's.

[Bakari Sellers]

I'm like, Andrew knew about it.

[Hilarious]

I saw a Google alert that said, Bakari Sol is Page Six. I seen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I wanted to ask, with everything going on in the landscape of media right now, and especially Trump getting people allegedly fired and people getting fired, they're not alleged for their opinions. I'm saying allegedly because I don't wanna sue. But people getting fired for their opinions, does that stop what you guys do or cut it back or do you go even harder?

[Bakari Sellers]

I don't think that we have the luxury of filtering truth at this point. I think that to not tell the truth is more dangerous than to uphold the lie. And so I think what you'll get on this show is raw, unfiltered truth. There will some conflict, there will be some agreement. There will be everything in between. We laugh a lot. I think that Bakari joining will add to that these two. I'm looking forward to this dynamic because they. Okay, he don't know, but they be fighting and it's what they.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all look alike, too.

[Tiffany Cross]

Yes.

[Andrew Gillum]

Well, to prove the record wrong, we are sitting next to each other in.

[Tiffany Cross]

The same camera shot.

[DJ Envy]

Y' all could be able to do it for short.

[Angela Rye]

Yes.

[Andrew Gillum]

They don't look alike.

[Bakari Sellers]

I don't think they look anything like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it's the same guy that thinks he looks like Morris Chestnut.

[Andrew Gillum]

So it's true. He does think that.

[DJ Envy]

They're all from the same tribe. You can see.

[Angela Rye]

Yeah.

[Bakari Sellers]

I mean, I saw Morris Chestnut on Saturday. By the way, he's taller than you.

[Angela Rye]

So you definitely taller, cuter, handsome, Jesus, well oiled. First of all, honestly, like everything you're not. His hairline is there.

[Andrew Gillum]

Oh, God.

[Bakari Sellers]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Gillum]

She's been waiting on this. She might have wrote that down. She was waiting.

[Hilarious]

She said that in the shower.

[Tiffany Cross]

I didn't notice this.

[Hilarious]

Oh, kind person.

[Bakari Sellers]

We did not plan this.

[Tiffany Cross]

Okay. There's so many shout out to our attention. I want to get back to what you said because I appreciate the point that you're making about media capitulating. I think one thing about all of us, we all had our own backgrounds in media in different capacities. And one thing that people can be sure to get when they tune in a native land pod is an unfiltered approach, well researched facts. All of us are free. Like, we're not. We don't have a boss that we have to answer to for our opinions. We are not at the will of the Trump administration in any capacity. And we lead with our community, we lead with our blackness because we've been so brutally oppressed in this country that we owe it to the people of a thousand things pulling for your attention. We owe it to you. When you listen to native land pods give you our most authentic selves and our most real takes on things at these dangerous times.

[Andrew Gillum]

Along with Tiffany, I think people get that without even knowing they're in the throes of, like, politics and what's happening every day. The cultural connection to how you can take a bad bunny story and relate it to what capitulation and bending a knee is to big media. The fact that there are folks who are willing to still limit it and not enough, in my opinion, who are willing to go up to the line and some folks over the line during this Trump era is exactly I think what's required in order for us to get through this President, his administration has shown when met with force, they have a tendency to back up a bit. And so as long as we continue to, I think push the limits of this thing and also continue to develop the platforms in which we appear, making sure that we don't ever get to a position where we're beholden to one institution to get our word out over another. We should be good. But one exception. I think we're still working to get free. At least that's my experience. But the goal here ought to be the liberation for our whole community where folks don't have to compromise themselves based off what room they're walking into, what table they're sitting down to, who's on the other end of that table, that. That. That we own our power enough and are secure enough, meaning financially, mentally, and otherwise, then our people really can get free. Yeah, but it's gotta be examples somehow.

[DJ Envy]

I want y' all to expound on what Tiffany was talking about, though. Like. Like what's broken about how mainstream media covers race and politics today.

[Tiffany Cross]

Well, a lack of black voices. You do see black faces on networks, but not a lot of black voices. And I think a lot of people are afraid. And so often, particularly in journalism, what's considered unbiased is rooted in what is white and male. And that's not the case here. And I think you have to be bold enough to be the first person to say it. Oftentimes, when you are the first person to say it, it's controversial. You know, in 2016, saying Donald Trump was a bigot was controversial. It took so many other people to get there. And so you have safe people who will wait until everybody else says it before they say it. You have observers who will sit back and learn and make sure that it's the right factual thing to say. And then the boldest among us will come out and speak an honest truth and use the platform responsibly, not lend it to people who undermine our community and also not say something that is not completely 100% fact checked and well researched. I think that's. We see so many people trying to be first, sometimes trying to go viral on social media with these clips and not always censoring the audience. And so we always censor our viewers because they're our community.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We are.

[Andrew Gillum]

Knows it well. Right. Coming out of this last cycle and even before, you were probably saying things every morning on the Breakfast Club that were just part of your normal ethos that took lift, that took flight because of how different it was from the. And divergent it was from what the. What regular black voices were saying in media. And you saw how quickly you became, you know, sort of anointed as an important, vital voice for the moment. And I think, you know, you have to continue that. And you don't need white people to sanction that. You've been doing that. That's who you are. That's what this show has been for our community. And that's why I think y' all are the most listened to, you know, place for folks to go in the morning because they. People are discerning. They know what's real, they know when they're getting real, and they know when they're getting played. And they choose not to be played.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The great thing about the podcast is, or even when guys come together and speak, it's I get information in layman terms, right? Because I always tell everybody all the time, if you're going to college, take classes outside of your major, right, Your business major, you might want to take classes in politics to learn more about political science, American history. Because when people start talking, you feel like an outsider. When people feel like an outsider, they don't understand, even though it doesn't really matter anyway, because Trump does things that really not really lawful. But when it comes to those things, how do you continue on doing it? Right? Because it becomes a lot right. This week alone, I'm just thinking about what we spoke about this week alone. It was sending troops to different states. It was the Trump coin for a dollar. It was, you know, it's just so much going on.

[DJ Envy]

The federal shutdown is really what the federal shutdown. It just seems like people that are being impacted by it.

[Hilarious]

I think you can learn a lot from Donald Trump, too. I think Donald Trump has taught us two things that we need to take from. The first is that he speaks to people on really like a very fundamental first or second grade level under the theory that if, if they understand it, everybody will get it. And the second thing is I've always said Donald Trump is probably one of the most honest brokers we've dealt with in a long time because he literally told us everything he was going to do. And for people who are surprised, then, I mean, they. We talked about Project 2025. We talked about it. I mean, it's like literally page after page after page. Kamala Harris told you what, what he was going to do. And it seems as if not it's becoming a reality, people are having some issue with it.

[Bakari Sellers]

You know, some of it is. Well, but I think that some of.

[Hilarious]

It is the surprise. Not issue, but surprise.

[Bakari Sellers]

The pace overwhelming 70% through Project 2025. I thought that it was going to Happen. I thought it was going to be over a four year term. It feels like we've lived 100 years.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, I think Project 2026 in January. I what if they get through 2025 and then January is like.

[Tiffany Cross]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Bakari Sellers]

They've been plan at this pace.

[Andrew Gillum]

It might get there. But the other thing is it's easy if you're Donald Trump, to speak simply. And basically when people are talking to is a monolith. They're all the same people who at the core of it, whether they're rich, poor, middle class or in between, have as a common enemy the rise of black and brown people in this country. They see it as a threat. They may not even through their own eyes say, I don't like that person because they're black and brown. What they see is that kid's a threat to my kid and my kid is now on the couch after getting a four year degree.

[Hilarious]

The common denominator though is fear, I think.

[Andrew Gillum]

Fear of what though?

[Hilarious]

Fear of other.

[Angela Rye]

Sometimes it's not even just those people that register what he's saying better. I got family members that be like, maybe Donald Trump isn't as bad because they simply understood what he was saying in the time where they needed or they were scared.

[Hilarious]

And I talk about that all the time with like Akeem Jeffries, for example, as a counterpoint to this. Ooh, oh my God.

[DJ Envy]

Ooh.

[Andrew Gillum]

So they both think they rappers, they be throwing rap.

[Hilarious]

I mean it is, it's like they got beef now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Biggie and Tupac beef.

[DJ Envy]

But he's down the same coast.

[Bakari Sellers]

Hennard.

[Hilarious]

He responded.

[Bakari Sellers]

Yes, he did.

[Hilarious]

He responded. I mean he cut. It was like ether the way he responded to Charlamagne. But what I was saying is that my frustration with the leader, the minority leader, is that many times in response you will see a post that has 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 paragraphs, right? And that's not the response we need. That's not meeting the moment. And there are a lot of people right now. That's my problem and that's a lot of people's problems with Democratic leadership right now. Chuck Schumer and Akeem Jeffries. The question is, are they prepared to meet this moment that we're in? This isn't a moment for eight paragraphs soliloquies and college dissertations. This is a, this is a town hall in a setting, in a barbershop, in a church, in a, you know, at a high school football game. Meeting people one on one, talking. And we do too much Talking. That's another thing. Too much like Democrats have become a party that talks at people. They don't even talk to people. Talk at people instead of listening to people.

[DJ Envy]

Catch your question, Sellers. Can you call somebody a leader if they have to wait on lobbyists to endorse the Democratic nominee for mayor in New York City? Can you really call him a leader?

[Hilarious]

Yeah, I mean I think I don't.

[DJ Envy]

Have to wait on their lobby.

[Hilarious]

But I also think. But also like to be completely honest, I think that leadership from Akeem Jeffries would be to call Charlemagne right now and come sit in here and answer those questions. And the reason being is because. Don't. I'm not going to answer for that man. I've learned a long time ago you stop answering for other grown men. But I do think that there is a question that all three of you all are questions that all three of you all can sit down because I have beef. I sat down here and told you what type of person Eric Adams was. I told you he was. He was terrible. Nothing. He wasn't a good mayor. Probably one of the worst big city mayors we've ever had. Right. And that kind of came to fruition. But I think that you should have to be able to.

[Bakari Sellers]

I told you so every time Eric.

[DJ Envy]

Adams in the news, Bakari text me. I told you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did you say about Eric Adams early on that you didn't like that nobody else seen.

[Hilarious]

No, I just told you he was unethical. And I told you there was no reason for a mayor to actually govern the city between the hours of 11 and 3am so say less.

[Andrew Gillum]

False statement.

[Angela Rye]

Say less. Was not.

[Tiffany Cross]

Yeah.

[Andrew Gillum]

I mean that things mayors do between that time that affecting the people but especially emergencies. I'm not gonna cape for Eric Adams.

[Hilarious]

That's not. I mean we're not talking about emergencies. We talk about. We talk about this. Dude hang out more than Charlemagne.

[DJ Envy]

I don't hang out at all.

[Andrew Gillum]

It's important to meet people where they are. And so to the extent that his extension of the mayor's office meant being at a club at a certain hour and people knew that their mayor was there and maybe they rapped about something that got them engaged. That'd be something. I don't know that to be true.

[Hilarious]

It's not.

[Andrew Gillum]

I think leadership though has to be part qualified by your willingness to walk into the fire, especially when your life is in the fire every single day. The other thing is, is what got us, what got us to this point won't get us to the next Point. So people think, okay, if Democrats are, you know, we're the resistance with this, but you may be that. But that doesn't win you the House of Representatives come midterms or the presidency next. Unless you are bringing something that people can be inspired by. And also a plan to look forward to, or may it look forward to.

[Hilarious]

Say it may lose you New Jersey.

[Andrew Gillum]

We're not gonna lose New Jersey.

[Hilarious]

I'm just saying, though. But I'm just saying that type of complacency that you're discussing, we have to have that urgency of now.

[Andrew Gillum]

But the thing is, I hate that it has to be prescribed. It ought to be something in the blood of anybody who serves to be, who positions themselves to lead. People ought to have so much grit and confidence, but also consciousness, not to have to poll test the moment. We should be poll testing whether or not it works for members to run for reelection without endorsing a Charlie Kirk resolution of honoring. No. If a voter is asking me about whether I endorse that, they're not my voter to begin with. Not to mention you can resent and hate and decry the death and murder of a person without endorsing the harm that they did during their living years. And that resolution went that direction. The capitulation that took place there is costly, not because it's just Charlie Kirk. It's an example of what leadership under Democrats looks like, which is we're willing to cave on our most fundamental beliefs and throw our most important constituency black people, Black women, black male pilots who he looks at and says whether or not they're qualified to fly a plane because the color of their skin. This is the dude you sign onto a resolution to honoring. If I can't get you to fight for yourself, that's who they are, for yourself, what are you going to do? For me, the biggest opposition to the Democrats returning to power are the Democratic leaders themselves.

[Bakari Sellers]

I agree they are.

[Tiffany Cross]

I have a question for you guys.

[Bakari Sellers]

I can't drop the mic because you.

[Tiffany Cross]

Guys, you hear our discussions. These are the kind of discussions that we have on the show. You guys have amassed this huge audience. You and I have disagreed on my thoughts on people not being as intellectually engaged. We're trying to reach massive amounts of audience, massive people. What advice do you all give us? We debuted as, you know, the number one podcast across all categories on Apple, but we're still trying to reach people. Our numbers are growing. But just any insight from you all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me answer that first. The first thing I would say is, is when you Guys always come up here, especially Ms. Rye. I ask as. Like you said earlier, as. As a third grader.

[Andrew Gillum]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because that's Hampton, though.

[DJ Envy]

Nothing. Go ahead.

[Angela Rye]

Damn.

[Andrew Gillum]

So that's ambition.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The reason I say that is a lot of times we don't understand politics, we don't understand law. And a lot of times people listen to people online that they think are actually right, but we realize that they were wrong. You know, so we don't know if we're listening to somebody. That's true. That's right. How do we possibly say, okay, well, we're riding with them or we understand it. So with Angela Rye, I asked. So break this down in this terms. Don't use all the political terms and jargon that you guys use. No, tell me how you would tell a third grader. Don't expect me to know. Like, if I tell you about a car and I say it's an E30 M3, it's BBS, it's A17S. The lipsticks, you're like, it's a melon LP.

[Andrew Gillum]

I just want to know what it looks like. How fast is it out there? What's the fuel? How many seats are immediate?

[Tiffany Cross]

I mean, people will say, oh, well, the DLJ this morning and CBO is saying they can't afford that. Most people don't know what the CBO is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But when you break it down into terms where you're trying to. To teach me and not took over me, it makes me want to read.

[Andrew Gillum]

Assuming that politicians and politics wants to be explained so that it's accessible. The big trick behind it is your goal is to keep people believing that they don't have access, that this is too complicated. Correct. So that when they're doing the bullshit, you're not following it. You're just assuming that this is the way it's supposed to go. It's harder to hold people accountable when you're not sure what you should be holding them accountable to do. So politicians deliberately cloud the water. Power, I should say, not just politicians power. Power attempts to look inaccessible.

[Tiffany Cross]

Yeah.

[Andrew Gillum]

Because if it's inaccessible, then you don't have to worry about everyday common man and woman holding you to account. That's why I think if folks are listening and they feel like the language doesn't include them and that it feels too complicated. Just know that you're not alone and you're probably thinking the right thing because that's exactly what they want you to think. And so your head's on a swivel.

[DJ Envy]

I think for me, it's trust. One thing I always say to myself, if you lie to me about Democrats, then I won't believe you when you tell me about Republicans. And I think that there's too many Democrats that are still caping for the Democratic Party when we the people can see that the Democratic Party is on some bullshit. So I think when books like the Original Sin come out are, you know, 107 days by Kamala, they're actually refreshing, because I'm like, oh, we weren't crazy. You know what I'm saying? So I think that whatever you have people like yourselves who are willing to go out there and, you know, speak truth to power about the party you represent. That. That holds a lot of weight with me.

[Angela Rye]

I think for me, it's like, youth. I actually was talking about y'. All. I went and spoke at this thing for Thurgood Marshall foundation, and I met this young man. I can't remember his name right now, but I met him, and he was telling me about a platform that he's created. And when he was talking to me, I'm like, are you into, like, you know, civil rights and, like, community and politics? And he was like, yeah, I could feel the passion. And he was asking me, what should he do? And I was like, do you follow Native Land podcast? And he was like, I do. I watch him all the time. And he was saying to me that he feels like what he's building right now is so far from what you guys are doing. And I was in my head, like, to be honest with you, them kind of connecting with a person like you opens them up to such a different audience because he was so smart, and, like, it reminded me of talking to you guys. But he's a college senior, so I think. I don't know what that looks like for you. I know we were at Howard and, like, when Kamala was. The presidential race was happening. Maybe it's like, you know, you guys going to college campuses or something like that. But I literally was talking to him, and I was. I actually told him I would connect him with Lolo. Now that I thought about it.

[Bakari Sellers]

Yeah, but shout out to Lolo.

[Hilarious]

Yeah.

[Angela Rye]

Their producer. But when I was talking to him, I'm like, it would be fire to see what a person like him has built.

[Andrew Gillum]

Yeah.

[Angela Rye]

Merging what you guys are already doing, because it takes it to a level where, like, now you're hearing from, like, the youth and people that are like, he's entering the world thinking about all this stuff.

[Hilarious]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And Lauren just brought up a good point, too. Like, you know, we were reporting this morning about how, you know, Turning Point USA Blexit is going to all of these campuses.

[Tiffany Cross]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And I'm like, yo, you can either ignore it or you can choose to engage. Where's the organization on the other side?

[Bakari Sellers]

That's right.

[DJ Envy]

That can show up.

[Tiffany Cross]

Why I say they should ignore because.

[DJ Envy]

I would go debate them.

[Tiffany Cross]

No, that only helps them one. It gives them an audience that I don't think they deserve.

[DJ Envy]

But they already have one.

[Bakari Sellers]

They already have one.

[Tiffany Cross]

They have one on that side.

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[Tiffany Cross]

They have more of a conservative audience. I take your point about where's the organization on the other side. So I say build something with better intentions. But turning Point, I don't think their intentions are really a good faith debate. I think they are spreading misinformation and disinformation and trying to provoke, like trying to provoke college students into having these viral moments.

[Hilarious]

I think the problem that we have right now, though, is that sometimes because of our complacency and our being like Democratic Party and the quote, unquote, youth, the young folk within the party because of the complacency and oftentimes taking for granted these younger voters, taking for granted black voters and voters who we normally just say will show up for us, we've created this vacuum, right. We've created this void that is there. And so when you have a blexit going to a Hampton or Howard or Morehouse or, you know, Prairie View or wherever it may be, or, you know, meeting with the Black Student Union at Mississippi State. Yeah, we all know that the organization, you know, when it talks about issues like this, they're not really there talking about issues that center us. We know it's a political ploy. However, the vacuum will be filled with noise and there are going to be people who are responsive to that noise. So to Charlemagne's point, you know, a lot of times you just can't leave these truths. And this is what you were saying. I do believe you can't leave these truths to just be unattended. Right. Or not even truths. I would say these statements. These statements or whatever they're doing to be unattended, because we've done that too long.

[Andrew Gillum]

But if you're thirsty, yes, they will. And the students.

[Hilarious]

And the students. Students at Morehouse will show up simply because of. Because I am not a big proponent. I ha. Cancel culture. I'm not a big Proponent of, Of not allowing people on your campus. I'm not a big. Because I think that. I think that institutions of higher learning in particular have to be these bastions of intellectual debate.

[Tiffany Cross]

Right, but it's not intellectual debate. These are white supremacists I'm talking about.

[Bakari Sellers]

Yeah.

[Andrew Gillum]

Can I just say more generally, though, they're not. If people are thirsty, they will drink from a mirage even though the water is not there. Preach, because somebody is. Somebody's telling them something. And I. My experience has been a lot of young people, a lot of people in general, don't have ideological lenses necessarily. They have things that happen in their life, and they have ways in which they respond to it.

[Tiffany Cross]

Y' all were born 58 presidents, by.

[Andrew Gillum]

The way, for sure. But I have to tell you, a lot of folks weren't. They weren't carrying a Democrat or Republican flag. They had an issue or a concern, and they wanted to know how we were going to speak to it. And if the only person talking is Charlie Kirk, you know, turning point. But the larger conservative.

[Hilarious]

Right.

[Andrew Gillum]

If that's all that you're hearing and you're not cinched. Well, and what the other argument might be, they might have something.

[Hilarious]

And I think the most amazing thing you said is that they're thirsty. I mean, they're so like, I, I, when people talk to me about Charlamagne, they talk to me about Charlemagne all the time. Like. And I say the most amazing thing about Charlemagne is he approaches things with this intellectual curiosity, and people are taken aback by it. But I'm like, he's asking a question because of something he's gone through, something he's seen or something he's heard. And it's not a place of condescension. It's not a place of disrespect. It's like Akeem Jeffries explain to me because I am curious.

[Bakari Sellers]

Well, he passed curious with it.

[Hilarious]

Well, I mean, that's. Because they, in beef.

[Andrew Gillum]

Curious.

[Hilarious]

They.

[DJ Envy]

They have a beef with.

[Hilarious]

Yeah, I'm just. But I mean, it's like, explain to me xyz. And it comes from a place of intellectual curiosity which breeds that thirst. And for far too long, we've taken this percher position that, yeah, okay, it's rooted in racism, is rooted in ignorance. I won't go there with them. And because I also ascribe to your notion a little bit that when you roll around with pigs, you both get muddy and only the pig likes it. Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what did you think when, like, Candace Owens came up here and some of those other political views that don't necessarily align with our culture and our people.

[Hilarious]

I mean, I'm glad that there was somebody there to push back. Now there's a question of whether or not you should have given her a platform such as this. Right. I like, but those are healthy debates.

[Andrew Gillum]

Especially I don't have access.

[DJ Envy]

I think y' all don't realize how many of our people already tapped into.

[Bakari Sellers]

I agree with that. I'm gonna say something now because I let y' all talk for 15 minutes, but I'm just. I just think this. I think it is important, if you are going to give room for the debate, that you challenge the lies. And I'm not just saying you or y'.

[Hilarious]

All.

[Bakari Sellers]

I'm saying all of us. I. This is something that I have disagreed vehemently with Tiff and Andrew about, because I do think we should put conservative voices on our show. I don't think it should just be the people that we like or can mildly tolerate. I do think that we should have folks on who aren't necessarily dangerous or trying to be dangerous, but really believe, not performing. Not the ones that went to that line because it was shorter, but the ones who really believe that. Like my dad's mentor, Arthur Fletcher, was a black Republican. He's the father of affirmative action. There were Republicans that had a hell of a lot more sense than where folks have now. But when they go unchecked and unchallenged, this is where you end up.

[Tiffany Cross]

But there's a difference between conservative voices and a Candace Owens. Like, I've never been opposed to conservative voices. I've been opposed to performative people who are intentionally trafficking and misinformation and disinformation and are gifted a platform, solitude. Right. Exactly. Like, I think there are honest brokers out there.

[Hilarious]

That's true.

[Bakari Sellers]

I don't. I don't know her to say whether that's her honest experience or not.

[Andrew Gillum]

I don't know her either. But I could tell you I can.

[Tiffany Cross]

Hear the research into her background.

[Bakari Sellers]

Research into her background, too. And just like everybody else, like, there was a point in time where I went to the altar and got saved and my life was changed.

[Angela Rye]

Right.

[Bakari Sellers]

Like there. People have moments where they change there.

[Angela Rye]

It could be a pivot, because.

[DJ Envy]

Put the weed down.

[Tiffany Cross]

I don't think.

[Andrew Gillum]

I think it's upset. I think. I think it's worth debating. I think it's just. I think a Candace Owens is worth debating because the thing that we keep denying is that people are going to access what she has to say anyway, if it were the case.

[Tiffany Cross]

If it were the case, y' all say people are listening to her.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They are.

[Tiffany Cross]

I'm not disagreeing on.

[Andrew Gillum]

Not only are they listening to her.

[Angela Rye]

They like, like live and die by her. Yeah, I promise you. And I think to your point, I get what you're saying, but it's like it's happening anyway. And when I'm talking about the youth, I mean, they. They thrive off of who's on YouTube reacting. Tick tock. They might not come and find you guys native land podcast, but they're going to end up somehow getting some content from her. So I think if there was something just as powerful there, a conversation with her and you guys, then you are funneled in and it's just a part of the business.

[Bakari Sellers]

This stuff is paid for, paid boost.

[Tiffany Cross]

But YouTube cannot be your only. You know, I always say, like, every piece of news is not going to come with a little hip hop dance on TikTok. So I think we have to. I'm curious because y' all were SGA presidents. I do think we have to challenge our youth and our community and our people to take some responsibility for your own intellectual curiosity and find reputable, reputable outlets and get that information.

[Angela Rye]

I would disagree with that sometimes too. Like, I've seen outlets retract stories, especially in today's time, because it's hard.

[Tiffany Cross]

One.

[Angela Rye]

Person just lean into them because you don't know who's right, who's wrong.

[Bakari Sellers]

Sometimes we literally send people to outlets that we also don't trust. Like we would say we've talked on the.

[Angela Rye]

On the podcast.

[Bakari Sellers]

On the podcast. Oh, go to Washington Post. They just fired Karen Atia. Yeah, like there are news outlets that are reputable that are still very harmful to black culture. So there's that too.

[Hilarious]

Sorry, B. No, you're good. I'm getting prepared for the show, for the podcast. I mean, I hope you guys let me and Andrew talk a little bit. So.

[Andrew Gillum]

But I do necessary.

[Hilarious]

I do think that there. I do disagree with Tiffany on this point. I think that we have to meet people where they are. And right now we are dealing with the generation that consumes news in ways that we are not used to. Like it kind of makes us old understanding that, yeah, they get their news from TikTok. And I also realize they like their news with the words on the screen.

[Bakari Sellers]

Yes, right.

[Hilarious]

They like to be able to read why they hear it. Right. They want to actually be able to have a rhythm to it or whatever it may be. That's just the way they consume news. And I don't think you can look down upon that. I think you have to adapt to it or you become old. That's first and second.

[Tiffany Cross]

Looking down though, it's like, can we challenge them? To me, time stealing from Nicole Hannah Jones. But this is a time for reading. You can challenge everything cannot be a 60.

[Hilarious]

You can challenge them. You can challenge them in their space. But that's also. Let's going back to Candace Owens. The reason I didn't have a problem with Candace Owens here is because you all appear to be prepped to push back. And my, the, the, the difference is when you have J.D. vance, when you have J.D. vance interviewing the, the Theo Vaughn interviewing J.D. vance like that, you can't even push back on the lies. You can't push back on the untruth. It's like a unfiltered misinformation, disinformation, fire hose, just stuff coming.

[Andrew Gillum]

Should have been an ad buy, but it's propaganda.

[Hilarious]

So that's my point.

[DJ Envy]

I mean, I think Ben Shapiro is a good example too. You know, we had Ben Shapiro up here and you know, we push back on things, but what people fail to realize is the very next day we had Mehdi Hassan up here. So we let Mehdi Hassan push back, push back on the things that have been said. So you gotta, you gotta stay tuned every day like a news, a news network.

[Andrew Gillum]

Sure. I also think you have to condition it, making sure people say this is your perspective from your experience. That's right. I can't deny you what your experience is, but there is a difference between what's true and what isn't true, what's a fact and what's made up.

[DJ Envy]

Well, I will also say this one thing that I love, I love Abby Phillips show. And the reason I love Abby Phillips show is because she'll have the conservatives on there, but then she'll have you on Tiff and she'll have Sellers on. Right. And I loved when Angela Rye was on CNN because you need that. Like, like somebody said in here earlier, if you don't know what the truth is and you hear something and it sounds good, you're just going to go with that. And if it just remains unchanged, but when it's challenged, you like agree might have been right on that. Yeah, he might have been right on that.

[Hilarious]

I think I'm always a big proponent of the free flow of, of information and you have to be prepared to check it or challenge it when it comes your way. I don't think you can just shut the door to it. Because. Because. Because unfortunately, that shit's getting through anyway, like, debating slavery.

[Tiffany Cross]

Like, to me, you have to have a line at some point where this is just nonsense. Where this is like, not when the.

[Andrew Gillum]

Other side is now laying a new bed in this idea that there were positives that came from the experience. And you now have younger people who are less connected to what slavery meant and our struggle to overcome it who are hearing these things. And what does that do? Over time, it softens their defense of the evil that slavery was. But if we don't go to them, then we can't challenge.

[DJ Envy]

And then when you got people like Kanye years ago saying slavery was a choice, and you got a bunch of who swear they get knocked when somebody swear they would, there's no way y'.

[Angela Rye]

All.

[Hilarious]

And Blexit is literally going to these campuses talking about building a foundation. That's not that. That's the antithesis to the roots laid by the civil rights movement. That's like a fundamental tenet of it.

[Tiffany Cross]

This is this.

[Bakari Sellers]

This other part, because I tried to go in and just look at some of their rhetoric, and there's something that says, like, you know, it's like, you're not going to be a victim anymore. And I think that that rhetoric is resonant because there are so many instances in our life, like right now, as they dismantle dei, Whether you think DEI was most effective or not, it protected some jobs, it created some jobs, it created some opportunities. So we are being victimized. So there's something very empowering, like in this moment where I've applied for 300 jobs, let's say, and I haven't been hired, I am feeling like I'm a victim. But somebody's telling me there's a choice I can make where I'm no longer going to be a victim. Now when they get in that room, they're gonna realize that that rhetoric isn't all the way aligned. But there are some touch points where they're tapping into our trigger points where it's like, okay, maybe there's a space.

[Andrew Gillum]

For me, but at the end of the day, they do wanna be hopeful. Yeah, they wanna be hopeful about a future that they can have. We're not always clear that the other side is selling us a bill of dreams and are not leveling with us. And I completely relate to the not wanting to be a victim in my own trials and situations. I always kept telling myself, I'm not a victim. I have choice here. I have choice. Even in the moments where, honestly, if I had interrogated it. No, I didn't. There was a thing set in motion that began to happen, that began to unravel. And no matter how skilled I thought I was at a thing, that the conclusion was going to be what it was. And unfortunately, people do not like to believe. I do not co sign that statement. Jay and Evelyn do just.

[Bakari Sellers]

He was just playing.

[Andrew Gillum]

RJ and Helen, you always have a place with us.

[DJ Envy]

I want to ask a question about. Some of our listeners have been really talking about NBA young boy. No. The government shut down.

[Bakari Sellers]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, I'mma ask a question, but I'm telling you, people don't care. Whose fault is it? Is it Democrats or is Republicans?

[Hilarious]

So I don't think you can answer that question that way.

[Andrew Gillum]

Yes.

[Hilarious]

Okay, so. So the way I answer it is this. Democrats are fighting in this country for you to have access to quality health care, period. People's premiums are about to go up in a couple of weeks and we're talking about 300 times the amount that you're going to pay for insurance. The number of people who are going to be kicked off of Medicaid is 1512 to 15 million. So you're not going to be able to get care. And then the places that you go to get care are shutting down. We're not even talking about Planned Parenthoods. We're talking about community centers like the one in Eau Claire. They shut down six centers in South Carolina. And so the battle that Democrats are waging right now is, look, look, we think that we should have access to quality care and Republicans can stop the shutdown if they come to the table and simply vote to extend those ACA subsidies, point blank, period.

[Tiffany Cross]

It's the Republicans fault.

[Bakari Sellers]

He's not trying to say it that way. And I think that part of the reason why is because, well, this is my argument. I'm not going to put this on you. It's too little, too late. So people have watched, as you would say, Democrats capitulate over and over and over again. And now it's like, now is the time to stand our ground. But where was the time to stand the ground when the, the big ugly bill was getting passed? Where was the time to stand on the Charlie Kirk resolution just two weeks ago? When was the time to stand your ground when you could have at least pushed back in terms of rhetoric and what you're saying? And so people are just like, it's a fight, but it ain't with the white right. Weapons and premiums are still gonna go up.

[Andrew Gillum]

But to Charlamagne, to your point, people are not gonna. What Republicans successfully did is they delayed much of the. They attempted to delay much of the impacts of the legislation. So they pass a bill that transferred $1 trillion from working people in this country, largest wealth transfer in the history of America, and took that 1 trillion and gave it away to the wealthiest 1% minus of Americans in this country who didn't ask for it and don't deserve it.

[Hilarious]

And Trump just gave 20 billion to Argentina.

[Andrew Gillum]

So, again. But American citizens are not experiencing it in real time. The consequences for those decisions are delayed.

[DJ Envy]

And they're delayed by deliberation because federal workers.

[Bakari Sellers]

I was just saying there's two different conversations happening. He's talking about the July bill. You're talking about the shutdown.

[Andrew Gillum]

So the problem. They're connected.

[Bakari Sellers]

They are.

[Andrew Gillum]

The July bill set the framework for those subsidies to go out of Wales to be retired. Democrats are saying y' all did a hell of a lot of damage. And now all we're asking you to do is repair some of the harm just a little bit by making sure that the people who have insurance today and are paying lower premiums today can continue to do that tomorrow. And you can do that by simply reinstating the incentives that came through Obamacare. They can make that decision. They're choosing to continue to give the wealthiest one a trillion dollars, steal it from you and make you pay 300% more than what you're paying today and your health subsidies.

[Bakari Sellers]

And meanwhile, it's 700,000 government workers who have been furloughed and they don't know if they're ever going to get paid.

[DJ Envy]

That's who's calling us every day.

[Bakari Sellers]

That's right.

[Tiffany Cross]

That's against the law. He's saying they don't care about a law.

[Bakari Sellers]

What is a law, exactly?

[Tiffany Cross]

At this point? Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

So who. I guess. Yeah. Whose fault is that? Because people are calling for this morning. They don't care. They're like, they don't care if it's Democrat, Republican.

[Bakari Sellers]

They just want their check. The math is the math. The math is the math. The people who have the power to pass bills in Congress is the Senate. The person who signs the bill into law is a Republican in the White House named Donald J. Trump. What's the J stand for?

[Andrew Gillum]

I don't know.

[Hilarious]

But.

[Andrew Gillum]

John.

[Hilarious]

John.

[DJ Envy]

But then it's confusing because Democrats are taking credit for holding things up because they're taking the stand for the health care.

[Bakari Sellers]

Well, because they need 60 votes in the Senate.

[Andrew Gillum]

No, no. But the truth is, is that when Democrats were president and Republicans had the majority, Democrats were able to get 60% majorities to keep the government open. This is at the end of the day, in the beginning of the day, the fault of the people who have the power, the power right now resides. And the Republican president, the Republican Senate majority, and the Republican speaker of the House. So whose fault is it? Is the Republicans who have the majorities to make decisions. Democrats are simply trying to be a stopgap in the way of worse.

[Hilarious]

To Andrew's point, the time we had a government shutdown was under Donald Trump, 2018.

[Angela Rye]

But even if you find fault, right, because I think this is why people accidentally end up over there on the other side, because they feel like, all right, fault goes back and forth, but action? Where is action? Because it can be with the Republicans.

[DJ Envy]

I'm gonna get my check.

[Angela Rye]

Yeah, it's Donald Trump, but I'm still sitting here furloughed, no job. So, like, now what? And y' all want me to go vote? Y' all want me to do this? Y' all mean to not listen to this man when we thought he gave out checks? Like, I think for me, as just like a regular person who doesn't buy into a lot of this, this. It's like there's a revolving door of we find fault. Something happens, one person tells you it's better, you vote for them, it messes up again. It's like, where does this end?

[Andrew Gillum]

Follow your truth. If your subsidies are going up, if you are out of a job and you are a federal employee today, follow what the truth is. It isn't math. This isn't rocket science. The government is shut down because of Republicans. Now, I'm guessing that the average voter really doesn't care about fault right now. They want to know how to get it back open. Here is the simple way to get it back open. The Senate and the House can agree to make sure that working people have access to health care without paying 300% more tomorrow than they did today.

[Hilarious]

Correct.

[Andrew Gillum]

And when they come to that conclusion, the President can sign it in the law, and the Republicans can open the government.

[Hilarious]

You can open up government right now. Literally. I mean, it's that easy. And so what? What I've been. That's. That's why I didn't answer Charlemagne's question. With a Demo or a Republican. The answer is very easy. I mean, if we wanted to open up government, then Republicans come back. First of all, they went home, come back to D.C. sit in a Room with Democrats say we're going to extend these subsidies. Let's figure out what that looks like. And then boom.

[Andrew Gillum]

But Donald Trump and the rebels are playing in our face completely because they're telling us that it's the Democrats when the truth is, is that they are incentivized to keep the government closed. The president doesn't want checks and balances. The government doesn't want auditor generals in these departments checking their behavior. They're sending them home.

[Bakari Sellers]

How many have they confirmed while we're. While it's shut down?

[Hilarious]

170 yesterday. By the way, they just made your boy. Your friend Herschel Walker. He's the ambassador to the Bahamas now.

[DJ Envy]

Shout out to Hersel man.

[Hilarious]

Ambassador. Ambassador Walker.

[DJ Envy]

Walker. But.

[Andrew Gillum]

But again, the longer they stay out, the more this man gets. He gets the rule by T. And people suffer.

[DJ Envy]

Ask.

[Hilarious]

He. He sounded out. Out.

[Tiffany Cross]

To your point. People are suffering. The people who get food stamp, snap benefits, they are suffering. They're going to go down significantly.

[Bakari Sellers]

The people who travel, right.

[Tiffany Cross]

People, the airlines, if you're planning on traveling, they're gonna suffer. In 2018, we saw routinely air traffic controllers who make sure we don't crash. They started calling out sick because they were not getting paid. And now he's threatening their back pay. Wic, women, infant and children. Those benefits are going to go down. These programs impact black people. They disproportionately impact white people. So I think I get your point. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. Somewhere, somewhere right now, someone's driving to work at a job that they still have, figuring out how they're going to pay their mortgage, how they're going to take care of their kids. And they don't care whose fault it is. They just want to make sure.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. Stop politicizing people's pain. I think that's what people be. That's what people be calling up saying like, I don't care who did what. I want my check.

[Andrew Gillum]

Right. But guess who's politicizing it. Donald Trump put on government servers on government websites. Democrats shut down.

[Tiffany Cross]

Yes.

[Andrew Gillum]

There's no. There are no equals here. The Republicans and the Democrats are not equal in the way they're approaching this. Donald Trump knows that he is causing an exacting pain. He is using our taxpayer dollars to then blame one political party over another. And all the while, he is sitting high, being able to rule his country by fiat.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Andrew Gillum]

So the incentives appear perverse. A president usually wants to take care of all Americans. This guy doesn't care about all Americans. And he's made it clear every single opportunity he's given.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, yesterday. Yeah, yesterday he said he don't think everybody should get.

[Andrew Gillum]

Of course you don't.

[Bakari Sellers]

That's literally the point. This 700,000 plus worker worker number that have been furloughed, they are debating right now whether they will get back pay.

[Tiffany Cross]

And government contractors who are not even included in that number, they won't get back pay. They're just out.

[Bakari Sellers]

They're just out.

[Andrew Gillum]

So for the listeners, basically, the largest employer in the entire United States, being the United States government, has decided not to pay.

[Tiffany Cross]

Yeah.

[Andrew Gillum]

The largest set of workers in the United States of America and are then impacting it on all of us because these are the people we need for the services that we all rely on.

[Bakari Sellers]

I want y' all to do one thing, and that is subscribe to the Native Lamp. Subscribe to Native Land Pod.

[DJ Envy]

This is why I love the Native Lamp.

[Bakari Sellers]

Follow us at Native Land Pod. And I just want to say this is going to be our 100th episode. So it's a new beginning with Vicari.

[Hilarious]

Sellers first 99 ain't really count.

[Tiffany Cross]

And.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And.

[Bakari Sellers]

And we are launching our substack today as well. So we're excited about that.

[DJ Envy]

How do you get on Substack?

[Hilarious]

I'm old.

[Bakari Sellers]

It's a website and they have an app as well. Substack. Yes.

[DJ Envy]

No, I was gonna say I love the Native Land podcast because I love the discussions, but I always tell Angela Andrew always lands the plane. I'm sitting here listening, y' all be like, he always lands the plane the right way. Like, oh, okay, I get it now.

[Tiffany Cross]

I was getting. Seriously, when you were talking, I was getting goosebumps and a little sad. Cause I'm like, this man should have been the governor of Florida. And most of our comments are always like, when is Andrew running again?

[DJ Envy]

We need you.

[Hilarious]

I agree. I agree.

[DJ Envy]

Andrew, I don't know what you waiting on to get back in the door, you two sellers. I don't. I really don't.

[Angela Rye]

Well, Bakari gotta go to the NBA, Young Boy.

[Hilarious]

She gonna call me baby boo. I'm learning the song. That's my jam.

[DJ Envy]

That's how you know you're gonna run again one day. No business at a Young Boy concert, man.

[Hilarious]

I'm taking my. I got a suite. I'm taking my nieces, nephews. I got a hoodie. I got some black A ones.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He got his black A1B.

[Bakari Sellers]

The black A1.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, thank you guys for joining us.

[DJ Envy]

Young Boy concert scouting future clients every day I. Wake up. Wake your ass up.

[Hilarious]

The Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Finish or y' all done.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Podcast Host)]

Short on time, but big on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19 year old Lachey Dungey. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside. And that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to Hunting for Answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Angela Rye]

This is an iHeart podcast.