INTERVIEW: Tim Ross Talks ‘The Missing Peace,’ Being Sexually Assaulted, Healing, Faith Vs. Fear + More

Summary

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The Breakfast Club Podcast: Interview with Tim Ross

Episode Title: Tim Ross Talks ‘The Missing Peace,’ Being Sexually Assaulted, Healing, Faith Vs. Fear + More
Date: May 6, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God
Guest: Tim Ross (Author and Pastor)

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Episode Overview

In this powerful episode, The Breakfast Club welcomes Tim Ross—pastor, speaker, and author of "The Missing Peace: How to Be Held Together When You're Falling Apart." The conversation dives deep into Ross’s personal journey through trauma and healing, the search for genuine peace, the myths about healing and mental health, the power of vulnerability, faith’s interplay with fear, and the importance of community for true recovery. Ross candidly shares his experience with childhood sexual abuse, the complicated process of confronting trauma, and the lifelong work of cultivating inner peace.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Understanding “The Missing Peace” and the Nature of Peace

• Main Point: Peace isn’t obtained through external achievements (money, marriage, promotions); it’s an internal journey and ongoing discipline.

  • Quote: “Peace has to be something that is cultivated and settled in from the inside out, not from the outside in.” – Tim Ross [03:14]

• Myth-Busting: Having peace doesn’t mean the absence of pain, grief, or anger.

  • Quote: “I contend that you can have peace and be angry. You can have peace and be sad. You can have peace and be at the lowest state of grief." – Tim Ross [04:01]

• Personal Loss and Resilience: Ross shares about losing his brother and the period of deep depression that followed, recounting a moment of suicidal ideation, and the revelation that feelings are temporary but actions can be permanent.

  • Quote: “I almost believed a lie and did something permanent based on a feeling that was temporary.” – Tim Ross [05:08]

The Dangers of Silence & Power of Speaking Out

• Breaking the Silence: Tim emphasizes the necessity of speaking your truth out loud—bottled-up pain transforms into destructive behaviors if not named.

  • Quote: "Whatever doesn't come up and out of your mouth through words will come up and out of your body through actions. And what you can't actually speak out, you will act out.” – Tim Ross [06:48]

• On Childhood Sexual Abuse: Ross reveals he was sexually assaulted at eight and didn’t tell his parents until he was nineteen, fearing further trauma and protecting both abuser and family. The discussion underscores how common this is and shatters silence around male survivors.

  • Quote: “I don't want to leave it out to identify with the men who will never speak up on this. And it's killing them.” – Tim Ross [08:34]
  • Memorable Moment: Ross and Charlamagne openly share their own childhood assault experiences. [07:21–09:00]

• Family Response, Healing, and Accountability: Tim credits his mother for creating a safe space when he finally confessed and stresses that community and human connection are critical to healing.

  • Quote: “I woke up the next morning and I felt like a 2,000 pound slab of concrete came off my chest.” – Tim Ross [10:41]

• The Impact of Generational Secrets:

  • Quote: "A lot of stuff that we call generational curses are really generational secrets." – Tim Ross [12:44]

On Trauma, Healing, and True Peace

• Predators and Parental Vigilance: Ross details how his abuser evaded detection, highlighting the calculated nature of predators and offering advice to parents.

  • Quote: “A predator is a predator for a reason. A predator prays. Once you let your guard down.” – Tim Ross [13:22]

• Delayed Disclosure and Misunderstood Reactions:

  • Quote: “If you don’t shut the faith up... It was 11 years for me, and it took getting caught to... I was using [pornography] to numb the pain of my trauma.” – Tim Ross [14:34]

• You Don’t Need the Abuser’s Justice for Your Own Healing:

  • Quote: “You don't actually need to see your abuser face justice for you to heal... You actually suspend your healing waiting for something to happen to them.” – Tim Ross [17:22]

Faking Peace vs. Living Peace

• Performative Healing: Ross warns that some people tell their stories but start reliving rather than healing from them.
  • Quote: “If I was breaking down like man, my body is starting to tell all of y'all, he ain't over this … when our words don't match our body's experience, our bodies tell." – Tim Ross [22:28]

The Lifelong Work of Cultivating Peace

• Peace is an Ongoing Practice:

  • Metaphor: Peace is like owning 100 acres of land and only cultivating a small part; the rest must be developed over time.
  • Quote: “All the land is yours. But now it all has to be cultivated, and that takes work. And so peace is something that you already have ... but the development of it could be a lifelong journey.” – Tim Ross [24:15]

• Emotions as Informants: Feelings are signals, not commanders; you choose your response.

  • Quote: “Our feelings are nothing more than informants. They're little snitches. They just come to tell us what's going on right now.” – Tim Ross [26:09]

• Peace as a Conscious Choice and Discipline:

  • Quote: “You’re not just choosing to keep your job. ... You're choosing peace because you know the alternative is what?” – Tim Ross [25:08]

Regulation, Boundaries, and Accountability

• Honoring but Regulating Emotions: You don’t have to “trade your peace” for every feeling or external chaos.

  • Quote: “I'm not giving up this piece for y' all. Bump that. Y' all can have all of that storm. It ain't coming in here.” – Tim Ross [29:41]

• Knowing When to Leave for Your Peace: Not every situation requires you to “endure.” Sometimes choosing peace means withdrawing.

  • Quote: “We have the ability to leave... We have the ability to leave. ... A lot of people who talk about keeping their peace also stay in situations where their peace is compromised.” – Tim Ross [31:20]

Truth, Trauma, and Social Media

• Avoidance and Fragility: Tim comments on how truth is often sidestepped or trivialized in today’s “TikTok therapy” culture.
  • Quote: “Mental health has turned into three minute TikTok sound bites... you don't even know what these terms mean.” – Tim Ross [32:43]

Horizontal vs. Vertical Confession

• Healing Through Connection: Ross introduces the concept of "horizontal confession" — sharing with other humans, not just God, to find healing.
  • Quote: “Horizontal confession heals us in a way that vertical confession doesn't. Because vertical confession will get you forgiven. ... but horizontal confession will get you healed.” – Tim Ross [34:29]

Real Accountability

• Accountability Isn’t Parole:

  • Quote: “True accountability is not me checking in with you ... It's me saying, you know what? Every time I'm alone, I slip into maladaptive behaviors ... If I want to stop that ... I'm calling you when I'm tempted, not after I've done it.” – Tim Ross [37:16]

• On Relationships & Accountability: Spouses don’t need every detail, but if an attraction (or a struggle) grows, openness is key.

  • Quote: “Whatever's in silence grows, and whatever's been spoken shrinks.” – Tim Ross [40:20]

• Listening as Containment: Sometimes, containment (just listening) is more powerful than advice.

  • Memorable Moment: “Some people don't need advice. They just need a safe place to be able to vent.” – Tim Ross [40:44]

Faith, Fear, and the Role of Mental Health Professionals

• Faith and Fear can Co-Exist:

  • Quote: “Faith is not the absence of fear. Faith is the substance of things hoped for...” – Tim Ross [41:13]

• The Power of Presence:

  • Analogy: Like children calming down when a parent appears, our anxiety lessens when we sense we’re not alone.
  • Quote: “Anxiety spikes when we believe we're alone. And it comes down when we know someone is present.” – Tim Ross [43:21]

• Mental Health Professionals as Holy Workers: Ross is deeply grateful for therapists’ patience and skill in helping survivors like him transform their pain.

  • Quote: “Mental health professionals have paid a significant price to be able to give us language to our feelings so that we can navigate life's issues and storms and journeys.” – Tim Ross [44:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Myths of Peace:

  • “The biggest lie about having peace that's actually keeping them stuck... is that money is gonna get you peace, or marriage is gonna get you peace... All of those are temporary. Peace has to be something that is cultivated and settled in from the inside out, not from the outside in.” — Tim Ross [03:14]

• On Family and Healing After Disclosure:

  • “I woke up the next morning and I felt like a 2,000 pound slab of concrete came off my chest.” — Tim Ross [10:41]

• On Accountability:

  • “Whatever's in silence grows, and whatever's been spoken shrinks.” — Tim Ross [40:20]

• On Peace as a Practice:

  • “Peace is a choice. And I choose not to trade in my eternal peace for a temporary version that's going to bring me back to a dysregulated state anyway.” — Tim Ross [25:50]

• On Community:

  • “Community, common unity is incredibly important. And true healing only is sustained in community. It is not in isolation.” — Tim Ross [36:23]

• On Truth:

  • “Truth is objective. If it's the truth, right, it's going to be the same every single time. But we have fragilized an entire country to the point that we can't have discourse based on the truth, man.” — Tim Ross [32:43]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:09] – Myths & Lies About Peace
• [04:00] – Grieving Loss While Retaining Peace
• [05:08] – Depression, Suicidality, and Survival
• [06:32] – Importance of Breaking Silence
• [07:21] – Tim Ross and Charlamagne Discuss Sexual Abuse
• [08:34] – The Long-Term Impact of Keeping Secrets
• [13:22] – How Predators Operate and Parental Insight
• [17:22] – Healing Without Justice for the Abuser
• [19:04] – Performing vs. Living Peace
• [24:15] – Peace as Lifelong Cultivation
• [26:09] – Emotions as Informants, Not Dictators
• [31:20] – Knowing When to Leave to Protect Your Peace
• [34:29] – Horizontal Confession for Healing
• [37:16] – Real Accountability vs. Parole
• [41:13] – Faith vs. Fear Debate
• [44:09] – Mental Health Professionals Are “Holy”
• [46:14] – Closing Prayer

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Final Takeaway

This episode offers a raw, compassionate, and practical exploration of mental health, trauma, and the complicated work of healing. Tim Ross’s vulnerability—paired with incisive wisdom—makes “The Missing Peace” a vital resource for anyone navigating pain, seeking sustainable peace, and learning to thrive after trauma. The hosts and Ross stress the need for open conversation, community, therapy, and faith as tools for authentic healing.

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Transcript

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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The Breakfast Club

[DJ Envy]

Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy, just hilarious Charlamagne, the guy we Are the Breakfast Club. Lon laros is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, brother Tim Ross. He has a new book that's out right now, the missing Piece. Good morning.

[Tim Ross]

Good morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not just the Missing piece. I love the subtit title, how to be held together when you're falling apart. I think that's a great conversation to have during this mental health awareness month.

[Tim Ross]

Absolutely, man. Absolutely. I'm so grateful to be here with y'.

[DJ Envy]

All. Thank you so much. How you feeling? First and foremost?

[Tim Ross]

I feel good, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you feel peace this morning?

[Tim Ross]

Much peace.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, I'm chilling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's the biggest lie people believe about having peace that's actually keeping them stuck?

[Tim Ross]

The biggest lie about having peace that's actually keeping them stuck. Probably that money is gonna get you peace, or marriage is gonna get you peace, or the right zip code is gonna get you peace, or promotion is gonna get you peace, or a platform is gonna get you peace. All of those are temporary. It'll give you a good dopamine hit. It'll make you feel secure, but it's not gonna last. Peace has to be something that is cultivated and settled in from the inside out, not from the outside in.

[DJ Envy]

When you talk about holding yourself together. Right. Is it okay to fall apart, though?

[Tim Ross]

Oh, for sure.

[DJ Envy]

Is it okay to let things get to your lowest? And I always say, when you get that low, just sit in it for a little bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely help it.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. So there's a misconception that if you have peace, that means you have the absence of turbulence, you have the absence of struggle. I contend that you can have peace and be angry. You can have peace and be sad. You can have peace and be at the lowest state of grief. I lost my father two years ago. Sorry. And thank you. I appreciate it. And that was my hero. Okay. Charles Edward Ross is like my hero hero. And so I was grieving, but still peaceful. I missed him. His absence is. It was looming at the time, but I wasn't in despair because I had peace on the inside.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When I was watching you preach on Sunday at Seeds of Greatness, and you talked about the book of Philippians and how those letters were written from prison.

Right.

So it's like, in the midst of the chaos.

[Tim Ross]

Right? Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What has been something for you that has felt like that, but like you've had to reteach yourself how to find that piece, to write those letters in the midst of it.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. So when I. I've had a lot of loss in my life. So I've. I've had a lot of people die that I've loved. My. My brother Miles was killed in a car accident September 17th of 2004. That was probably the deepest, darkest despair. That's why I had to give to old girl that Shanti Doss.

[Listener/Caller]

Yeah.

[Tim Ross]

Shanti Doss. Yeah. Silence of shame. Because I've been at that point, the four months that I was depressed after Miles's death was like the darkest season I had ever been in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You was young. You had to be in early 20s then.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, yeah, I was late 20s, actually. I was 29. He would have turned 28 in November. So I had my dad's revolver, and I was like, I can't. I don't want to go on. It's not that I didn't believe I can go on. I didn't want to without him. We were 17 months apart. That's like my best friend. And after I came out of that, I was like, oh, I almost believed a lie and did something permanent based on a feeling that was temporary. And when you can navigate out of that, you realize, okay, I can't go back to that again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Oh, go ahead.

I was just gonna ask, like. But emotion doesn't stop, right? So in real time, you still are getting to that place where your emotion is clouding what's actually happening.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's the talk through then, where you're not getting back to that place of, like, letting it all kind of take everything away.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. So I think the talk through has to be, first of all, you can't talk by yourself. You can't talk in a silo. Something that I write about in the book. You have to break the silence. Whatever. Whatever you can't put into words is going to choke you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Say silence isn't golden after all.

[Tim Ross]

Silence is not golden after all. So one of the synthesis that I've come out of this in the 28 years that I've been in therapy is whatever doesn't come up and out of your mouth through words will come up and out of your body through actions. And what you can't actually speak out. You will act out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's why I talk so much, man. Be honest.

[Tim Ross]

You think that's the reason?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think so. That's why I gotta say it.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. No, I'm the same way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've always been that way since I was little. I got to say eight.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I don't like talking behind people back. Like, I gotta say it to the Person.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Tim Ross]

I, I, So I got sexually abused when I was eight. Did you? Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

At eight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Eight years old.

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Wow.

[Tim Ross]

Bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Already born.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. So it was a older teenage boy that lived across the street.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It wasn't a boy, though. It was a older woman.

[Tim Ross]

Understood.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Doesn't matter. It doesn't. I know.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. That was one of them things you just wanted.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You just, you just wanted to go on.

You should have not smoked that one. I mean.

But he saw.

[Tim Ross]

He was. So we had already bonded. He didn't bond with you. He was like. Oh, yeah. He was like. But I had the other gender. You're right. I wanted to be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And she was older.

[DJ Envy]

I hate this guy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go ahead.

[DJ Envy]

I'm sorry. Because he. Because it was a bond at first.

[Tim Ross]

No, no, no.

[DJ Envy]

That was my.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just wanted to make the record clear.

[Tim Ross]

That's all. It had nothing to do with.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nothing. But. Go ahead. But for who?

[Tim Ross]

Who did you make the record clear for?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

For the people that's going to clip it.

That's all.

[Tim Ross]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all. That's all. That's all. So you gonna.

[Tim Ross]

We both had some ambiguity until you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

wanted to go your own way. Dude.

[Tim Ross]

It might go right. He didn't say, even say so.

[DJ Envy]

He's like, no, that wasn't my case.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tim added the gender to it. I didn't think the gender mattered either way. He added the gender to it.

[Tim Ross]

You know what? Cause it's a part of my whole story.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got you guys.

[DJ Envy]

All right, go ahead.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sorry.

[Tim Ross]

And it is something that so many men go through.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Tim Ross]

That I don't want to leave it out to identify with the men who will never speak up on this. And it's killing them. Okay. So that happened to me at 8, but I didn't share it with my parents until I was 19.

[DJ Envy]

Why not?

[Tim Ross]

Do you know, at the time, in my mind, Envy. I knew my dad would have killed him and my brother would have buried the body. Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Tim Ross]

That's real. And I was 8. So I look at 8 year olds and I'd be like, how was I thinking that at 8? But I was so afraid of blowing up my life and I was projecting the actions of adults. And so I was actually protecting my abuser and protecting my family at the same time. Was your dad mad at you when

[DJ Envy]

you finally told him?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Tim Ross]

Really? No, actually. So here's a story. My mom actually caught me watching porn at 19, two o' clock in the morning. And being the woman that she is, she went straight to her room, hit her knees and started praying. So I'm embarrassed. And this is 90s porn, dog. Like this is VHS in a VCR porn, right? This ain't flip up on the screen, you know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

You can just swipe right up.

[Tim Ross]

You're like, oh, I'm looking at my ass.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gotta run.

[DJ Envy]

Pause and stop.

[Tim Ross]

Take the tape. Exactly right. So I go in my mom's room and I tell her, I said, hey, mom, I don't want you to think I'm nasty. I don't want you to think I'm a pervert. But I got abused when I was 8. So the 8 year old was in a 19 year old body and finally got to tell mommy where it hurt. The profound thing about that moment is my mom contained me, held space for me, woke my younger brother up who was abused by the same dude.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Tim Ross]

And then my dad, who was working at the post office at night, he had to come home. So in this one night, what should have been like hella embarrassing and like full of shame.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Feel healing.

[Tim Ross]

Sounds healing, dude. I woke up the next morning and I felt like a 2,000 pound slab of concrete came off my chest.

[DJ Envy]

You said your brother too.

[Tim Ross]

My brother got abused by the same.

[DJ Envy]

Did both of your brother. Did y' all know? Did y' all ever talk about it?

[Tim Ross]

So. So I found out. I found out he got abused by bro when I was 15. He went to jail on an unrelated charge. So when he came out, we were gonna kill him. And like, we ain't assassins, you know what I'm saying? This is like teenagers. Like, let's just kill the nigga that you know did us dirty. Cause I think I was more hurt when I found out it happened to him than it happened to me. So like we just got the Ginsu knives out the drawer and they had like a welcome home party for him and we were like, come out into the street. And I've said this once before and I had some dudes think that I was like out of my mind. But I couldn't start sticking him until like I knew he knew why he was getting stuck, you know what I mean? I had to look him in the eye like, you know what you did, right? And I couldn't see it in his eyes now, whether it was real there or not, I wouldn't be sitting with y' all right now. Cause I'd been doing time and probably would have never left la.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want him to know why this is happening?

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? If I just start carving you up, and you just like, I don't understand. You know what I mean? Like, I had enough decency to be like, you need to know what you're doing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You didn't just do it to y', all, I'm sure.

[Tim Ross]

Oh, no, dude. You know how it stopped? My older brother found him with the next door neighbor. And my fears at 8 were confirmed because my older brother almost killed him. So I'm like, if this way you reacting over the neighbor, you wouldn't be here right now if you knew it happened to me. So that level of silence with a whole neighborhood of boys. When I came out of that at 19, I was like, I'm never gonna have a secret again as long as I live.

[DJ Envy]

Let me ask you a question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I always say that the. The black community, we do ourselves no favor by keeping secrets.

[Tim Ross]

Not at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Especially. Especially black families.

[Tim Ross]

Absolutely. And a lot of stuff that we call generational curses are really generational secrets

[Charlamagne Tha God]

could have been broken.

[Tim Ross]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Spoken up.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, for sure.

[DJ Envy]

Let me ask you a question. And this is not to dive too deep in it, but I always like to hear these stories so other parents could see what's going on. And I got a, you know, a younger son.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

So what happened?

[Tim Ross]

What was it?

[DJ Envy]

Was he a lot older? Was he an older man inviting you to his house? Was he your same age? Like, what happened? So these are the things, you know. Cause when my son says, I want to go on a play date, I'm always like, nah, I haven't come here. You know, my daughter says, I want to go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Something.

[DJ Envy]

Nah, I haven't come here.

[Listener/Caller]

Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

But I'm just always nervous.

[Tim Ross]

So what was it?

[DJ Envy]

Without, you know, I don't want to be too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no.

[Tim Ross]

I'm open about all this kind of stuff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Envy.

[Tim Ross]

So. So first of all, the dad you are is who Charles Edward Ross was. Everything was at our house. Wrestlemania was at our house. Everybody had to spend a night at our house. We didn't get to go nowhere. Right. But a predator is a predator for a reason. Right? A predator prays. Once you let your guard down. Right. So this is a neighbor from across the street. I'm 8. He gotta be 17 or so. And he had a fine girlfriend. Right. And this is one of those things when you're a little boy. There's nothing sexualized at 8 years old. But you look at his girlfriend, and she's really pretty, and you're like, oh, that's a pretty girl. And then so this stuff starts happening to you. And you, like, why are you over here with me? Like, I don't know what boys and girls do, but I don't think this should be happening. Where's she at? Like, you know what I mean? So it was. It's. When you're sexualized at a young age, there's nothing but confusion. You can. You can relate to that. Like, the confusion of, like, this part of me is awakened, but I'm still playing with he man. You know what I mean? I'm still playing with GI Joe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it's a part of you that knows it's wrong, but it feels good.

[Tim Ross]

Right, Right, right, right, right. So you. And then again, the layers of. Cause people always like, well, I wouldn't have let it happen to me. Well, you think you wouldn't let it happen to you. We all have this benefit of hindsight, looking from the outside in, but from the inside out, I understand why. So many victims of sexual abuse, so many victims who have been abused through coercion and manipulation, why it takes them so long to tell their story. Because people don't believe them. And then when they do share their story, it's, why did you wait so long? And I'd be on the other side. Like, if you don't shut the faith up. You know what I'm saying? Cause, like, it was 11 years for me, and it took getting caught to. Got caught watching porn. Porn was never. The root of my issue, was the fruit. I was using it to numb the pain of my trauma. So, like, if that would have never happened and then I couldn't put it into words, I wouldn't be as free as I am now, and this book would not have been written.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did it ever make you question your sexuality in any way?

[Tim Ross]

Never, bro. Because. And there's levels to this. I've been in therapy for the 30 years I've been a believer in Jesus. I've been in therapy for 28. So I'm so grateful that mental health in the mental health space now is. Is what it is. But I was doing it before it was in vogue at all, right? Because I just wanted to get to the bottom of some things. I never questioned my sexuality, and that's because my parents had such a dope marriage that I just wanted what my dad had. I wanted what my dad had with my mom. And so there was never a question in my sexuality where I was like, do I like guys or do I like girls? To your point, when my dad found out, my dad was crushed. We had already moved 70 miles away from that neighborhood. So it wasn't like bro could make a beeline across the street and handle business. He was just devastated, as my mom was. Right. And they're questioning, like, what did we do wrong? What happened?

[DJ Envy]

How did we miss this? How we didn't see.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. Yeah. And I had to continue to reassure them. A predator is a predator for a reason. That's like asking yourself, how did I get mauled by a lion? Well, you didn't try. They're predators. Right. So. But our family bonded and got closer from that, and it just allowed us to heal.

[DJ Envy]

What happened to Duke?

[Tim Ross]

You know, I have no idea. I don't know if he's dead or alive.

[DJ Envy]

You never wanted to, years later say, you know what? Let me process this.

[Tim Ross]

And here's the thing about him.

[DJ Envy]

Get him arrested or.

[Tim Ross]

No, no, here's the thing about. That would have been dope. And I'm not blaming you.

[DJ Envy]

I'm just saying what was your mind frame?

[Tim Ross]

That would have been dope. I think that would have happened with the last person that got abused before my brother found him, because that particular person, his grandfather, was retired law enforcement. So I don't know exactly if something happened with that. I've actually reconnected with that dude years later on Facebook, and he was actually, like, moved to tears that I was sharing the story, which also is part of his story. But one thing that I found out, envy, is that you don't actually need to see your abuser face justice for you to heal. Like, you don't need something to happen to them for you to find closure, for you to heal, to move on. And a lot of people think, if I get an apology from this person, if this person is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, then I will feel justified. But you actually suspend your healing, waiting for something to happen to them when you can be doing this work yourself.

[DJ Envy]

Now, I wasn't necessarily thinking about your

[Charlamagne Tha God]

healing other people he may have abused.

[DJ Envy]

Abusing so many different people. It was like stopping that. Like, we always hear these stories and be like, if that one person would have said something, maybe it would have stopped 20 other people from getting.

[Tim Ross]

For sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

For sure.

[DJ Envy]

Always think about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. So I hope that the last person that it happened to, the fact that their grandfather was in law enforcement. I hope that led to that, but I wasn't around for that. Gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, Tim, a lot of people perform peace instead of living it.

[Tim Ross]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, how do you know when you're, I guess, faking your healing?

Mm.

[Tim Ross]

I think you can spot the fakers when they retell their story, but they actually start reliving it. Like, there's so many people that, like, we live in a space right now where, like, everybody wants to be vulnerable, right?

[DJ Envy]

Yo, what up, y'? All? It's DJ Envy from the Breakfast Club. Now check this out. The first phone call that ever happened happened over 100, 150 years ago. 150 years. That's before any of this. Before radio, before social media, before all the ways we stay connected. Today, that one call really started everything. And fast forward to now. It's springtime, the weather's breaking, people outside vibes are right again. Thank God. And it got me thinking. Who haven't you talked to in a minute? And you know, through all these years and all these conversations, AT&T has been there, connecting people in meaningful ways. This is more than a story of technological innovation. It's really a story about human connection. Real people, real moments and real relationships. So we celebrate over 150 years of connection. Let this be your reminder. Don't wait. Make that call. Send that text. Pull up on somebody you care about. Because at the end of the day, those connections, that's what really matters.

[Tim Ross]

Connecting changes everything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Tim Ross]

See full [e-mail] everybody wants to, you know what, I can share, and I'm transparent, but then they start talking about it and then in the middle of talking about it, they are actually reliving it. And it's like, I don't think you're talking about a wound that's healed. I think you're actually still bleeding from this wound and you're in ICU and you should probably. The mic, right? We're not actually swapping stories right now. And, and, and I'm sharing stuff. If I was breaking down like man Demi, I'm glad you brought that up, dog. My body is starting to tell all of y', all, he ain't over this. Yeah, he, he trying to talk about it, but he ain't actually over this. And our bodies, when we don't tell, when our words don't match our body's experience, our bodies tell. That's right, your skin to break out, your hair to fall out, your teeth to fall out. You'll start getting ulcers. You'll, you'll break out in the rat. Like your body is like, stop capping. Your body wants you to tell the truth. And when you do tell the truth, your nervous system regulates. This is why lie detectors are even though they can't be 100 unless you're a psychopath, a lie detector can detect a liar because the mouth and the body must live in harmony. And when it's not, the body starts giving even micro signals that this person is lying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When I hear you talk about that, it makes me wonder, like, is peace ever really a destination or is it something that, like, it's like, you gradually get to parts of peace. I don't know if I'm making sense, right? Because you're making sense. You think someone's at peace, and then it's like, no, they're probably not, but they feel like they are because they feel better about it than they did the day before, the month before.

[Tim Ross]

Like, that's good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how do you know what the destination of peace is?

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, so? So I'm glad you said that, because it brought up a picture. So let's just say you bought 100 acres of land, okay? And you put your house on one acre of it, right? And you're like, oh, this is good, right? I cultivated this. I built a house on this. I got a little garden out here. But you got 99 other acres. It's just undeveloped. At some point, you need to expand to two. All the land is yours. But now it all has to be cultivated, and that takes work. And so peace is something that you already have and you can already partake of, but the development of it could be a lifelong journey.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And peace is also a destination that you're kind of in and out of. I like how you talk about in the book about how to keep your emotions regulated. A lot of people don't know how to do that, right?

[Tim Ross]

For sure. I have learned this especially coming from the environment I came out of in Inglewood. There is a discipline. You have to choose peace, right? Like, I've seen y' all in here with some people that, you know, y' all have had to choose peace. You're not just choosing to keep your job. You're not just choosing, you know what I'm saying, Not to go viral for popping off. You're choosing peace because you know the alternative is what? Right? You talked about the donkey of the day, dude. Like, why did you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Over a tip.

[Tim Ross]

Over a tip? This is how you want to crash

[Charlamagne Tha God]

run him over with a car? Cause you didn't get a tip, right?

[Tim Ross]

So. So. So peace is a choice. And I choose not to trade in my eternal peace for a temporary version that's going to bring me back to a dysregulated state anyway.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how do you regulate your emotions while still honoring them? Because you still got to feel your feelings, for sure.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. So. So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But.

[Tim Ross]

But our feelings, Charlemagne, our feelings are nothing more than informants. They're little snitches. They just come to tell us what's going on right now. They come to give us information, but we still get to choose what we do with that information, right? I Just. I just celebrated my 27th wedding anniversary with Juliet. Right. We got. Thank you. We got married May 1. I still see other attractive women. Right. My attraction is not a sin. That's not a boundary to cross. My wife ain't gonna be mad because I think another girl's pretty. My reaction to that attraction can get me in trouble. I have a choice in that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What if you get bricked up? That's biological.

[Tim Ross]

If I get bricked up? Well, yeah, that is biological.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Tim Ross]

Okay, so my penis got hard. And what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So they ain't got nothing to do with you, really?

[Tim Ross]

No. That's just biology.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Tim Ross]

Right. You could be stimulated by something if you flicking channels, you know what I'm saying? Got hard looking at animal kingdoms sometimes, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't say me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I generalized have gotten hard. Hey, once again, Tim, you're on your own.

[Tim Ross]

Well, they're on their own. I didn't say I did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Tim Ross]

So. So all I'm saying is biology says that attraction is not a sin. Right. Our reactions to our attractions can be that sin. So in anything, if I'm feeling anger. Bible says you can be angry, but not sin. Right. So you can. Our emotions come to inform us of what we're feeling. But we still have a choice if we're going to trade our peace for an emotion that could take us out of the will of God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's so good.

I keep hearing this message over and over again, and I. I think I need to hear it.

[Tim Ross]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the reason that's so good is because whenever, like, I, you know, you have an emotional outburst, whatever it may be, whether it's happiness, whether it's anger, whatever it is, I always just sit with it afterwards and be like, okay, what was that? What was the root cause of why I react?

[Tim Ross]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you'd be surprised, like, what some of the root causes are. Like, sometimes anger can be love.

[Tim Ross]

Oh, absolutely. You can love somebody so much that you angry about it. Right, Right. Depending on what they do to you. And again, the feeling comes to give you the information, but what you do with that information is gonna dictate if you keep your peace or not. But I'm curious what you. What you're feeling, why you keep hearing

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it over and over again. Sarah was at church at Seeds of Greatness. She talked about anger and women and grief, but separately. And she talked about it's okay to be angry. And a lot of times as women, you try not to be, or if you are, you're so angry that you don't think through the anger, but if you think through it, you sit and you figure out, like, why you're angry. You take accountability in the anger, and then you repoint it and you focus it. It's powerful. Because a woman on a mission is a woman on a mission.

You know what I mean?

Especially a black woman. And then you're talking about the emotional. And she talked about managing your emotion. And you're talking about basically, like, an emotional discipline of sorts.

[Tim Ross]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And when you said tip, I'm thinking about, like, in news, you get tips, and it just leads you somewhere. But that's not what you hang onto. It might be right, it might be wrong. And I think one of the things that I'm realizing in real time as I'm learning to take accountability is that sometimes my emotion leads my final end all. Be all of my thought. And I'm so deep into the thought that, like, none of that clarity happens. So this is the second time that I've heard it, like, very clearly of like, here's what. Here's. Here's the plan. You gotta listen. You gotta. Or you moving forward. Ain't gonna happen.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, I was watching Godfather 3 on the way here. I just, like, had to watch that trilogy. Cause I had just finished the Sopranos. So I was like, I gotta go back to the OG so I'm watching Godfather 3. Michael Coleon is dealing with a person that they ultimately need to get rid of. But it was profound what he said. He was like, yo, you're allowing your anger to dictate what you're going to do to this person instead of understanding this person's nature. This is their nature. This is who they are. They are not going to change. And if I allow my emotions to be dictated by their nature, I am a slave to them. Every time I'm in their circumference, every time I get in their presence, you go on me. Because Charlamagne is like this. And every time Charlamagne get like this, then I get like that. Then you control me, dog. Anytime I come into your environment, you control me. I'm not going to let that happen. I come in with peace. My peace is internal. The chaos is external. I have to choose to trade my internal peace for the external chaos. And you got to slow your body down. It doesn't mean my heart race. My heartbeat doesn't go up, my blood pressure don't go up. I can feel my ears burning. But on the inside, I'm like, I'm not giving up this piece for y'. All. Bump that. Y' all can have all of that storm. It ain't coming in here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about. What about being able to do that in certain situations, but not being able to do it in other situations? Like if you've masterpiece over here on the left, but on the right, it's just not like there's no one central piece master. Like, what's the abort?

[Tim Ross]

We have the ability to leave right? When Jesus would be crowned king, he slipped away. When he would be stoned, before he would be crucified, he slipped away. He didn't stay in every situation. Some situations, he stood there and was like, I can take all of this. Other situations, he was like, yeah, nah, fam, I'm out. You know what I'm saying? So we have the ability to leave. These MMA fighters, when you're talking to them and they're talking about their training or whatever, they're like, okay, well, what if you go to a bar and some dude's drunk and he wants to fight you? He was like, I just back up. But what if he keeps advancing you? I just keep backing up. But what if he pushes up on you? I leave the restaurant. Why? I'm a loot. If I engage, I'm going to kill him and I'm going to go to jail. I fight for a living. His liquid courage got him in my face. But I'm trained, so this man is going to be in critical condition or he's going to be dead. So I have to make the choice to remove myself from the situation. I think a lot of people who talk about keeping their peace also stay in situations where their peace is compromised. Every situation is not going to be conducive to your peace being maintained. So you got to move yourself out of the situation, and it takes humility to do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How much of people's lack of peace is trauma and how much is just avoidance of truth?

[Tim Ross]

Oh, in 2026, I can't get percentages to it because I don't want to dismiss anybody's trauma. And somebody's trauma can be kind of balled up in them not being willing to hear the truth. But Charlamagne, bro. We live in a time right now that if you tell somebody the truth because mental health has turned into three minute TikTok sound bites. You tell somebody the truth, and they just gonna throw what they heard as they scroll through TikTok. You're a narcissist. You just gaslit me. I'm triggered, and you're like, you don't even know what these terms mean. I just told you your breath stink and you need a tongue scraper. That's just the truth. That white fuck film on your tongue is not coming off because you brush your teeth. You need an instrument that just scrapes your tongue, dog. There's a film based on the fish and the cereal you had last night. I don't know why. You had a piece of fish and then a bowl of cereal, but that doesn't lead to good morning breath, right? But we can't tell nobody that now without it being. You disrupted my piece. I'm just trying to help you out, right? And so truth is objective. If it's the truth, right, it's going to be the same every single time. But we have fragilized an entire country to the point that we can't have discourse based on the truth, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's a horizontal confession?

[Tim Ross]

The confession that gets you healed. So as a believer in Jesus, you know, vertical confession is I confess whatever to the Lord, right? God, I'm going through this, I'm going through that, whatever horizontal confession is. I'm going to tell Envy something that I ain't tell nobody else. I've told God for five years. I ain't told Envy, right? The moment I tell you I get healed in a way that I don't get healed with God. And I know that's going to mess some Christians up, right? Cuz all I need is Jesus. I'm in my prayer room, all I got to do is pray. Oh, my bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, that's the Christians.

Oh no, that might have been Jesus. You should have told me first.

[Tim Ross]

So, so, so we share stuff, right? We pray, we do all this kind of stuff. But then I'm going to share something with Envy that I haven't shared. And something's going to happen in my nervous system that I'm not even aware of at the moment. Because healing comes when I'm face to face with another human being. And I'm saying, hey, I'm scared right now, bro. You know what? My business is experiencing some low points. I might have to lay some employees off. And I'm actually terrified. And I ain't shared it with nobody. I'm scared, dog. That right there, your body's like, we can calm down now. You're not trying to pin that up. You're not trying to thug through. You're not trying to. And so horizontal confession heals us in a way that vertical confession doesn't. Because vertical confession will get you forgiven. It will get you cleansed, but horizontal confession will get you healed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like that. And the reason I like that is because, you know, of course I love God. All praises due to God. All the time. But human connection is just as important. It is like God put us all here for a reason. Yeah. Together.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're not supposed to be isolated from one another. We are supposed to have human connections, share those emotions, share those things. We're, you know, going through.

[Tim Ross]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

With others. And I don't think that's trauma dumping either.

[Tim Ross]

No, it's not. Genesis, chapter number two. Adonai is the one who says it's not good for man to be alone. He creates Adam, and he says, it's not good for man to be alone. The presumption is that means marriage. The macro of that is that means relationship. There are no lone wolves. Lone wolves die. Right. You look good. Right? I'm out here by myself. You gonna die by yourself. None of us were supposed to live life alone. And so community, common unity is incredibly important. And true healing only is sustained in community. It is not in isolation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You talk about that a lot in your book when you talk about accountability and accountability not being parole, but having people that, like, keep you accountable, that you trust.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, absolutely. So. So, you know, I grew up listening to a generation talk about accountability and being. Being from the hood, where I'm from, it sounded like parole to me. I'm like, so I got to check in with Charlamagne every Friday and tell him, hey, man, I ain't looked at no booty on Instagram. And, you know, I'm just this checklist. Right. Accountability, true accountability is not me checking in with you or you calling me to see have you done something wrong. It's me saying, you know what? Every time I'm alone, I slip into maladaptive behaviors that don't suit me. Well, whether that's drinking too much, whether that's rolling up too many blunts, whether that's snorting some cocaine, looking at booty, and masturbating. I want to stop that. If I want to stop that, then I want to hold myself accountable. I'm calling you when I'm tempted, not after I've done it. Yo, dude, this is. It's a tough night tonight. I'm a caller. You know, you ain't supposed to be calling her. Y' all broke up like, five times. You know she ain't getting no good for you. But she called tonight, and she sent the pic. All right, dawg, then what you gonna do? All right, I'm turning off my phone. I'm going to bed. I don't know. I'm turning my location services on, right? If you see my blue dot, move from my house, right? Check me. People that want to change do everything they can to change. People that don't want to change say they want to change, but leave the environment the exact same and fall into the same issues over and over and over again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ask you a question about that relationship wise, right? Should your significant other be your accountability partner? And this is what I mean, I'm talking about in. In particular, in regards to affairs of lust, right? Yeah. You see some. Like, you talked about seeing a woman earlier. Like, oh, man, she's pretty. Would you tell your wife that and be like, yo, I'm just. She's pretty.

[Tim Ross]

Like, no, I don't. I don't tell Juliet about every beautiful woman I see. If it turned into something of an attraction that I felt myself like, going towards Michael Jackson, smooth criminal, leaning over into, right? If I. If I. If I've leaned that much, then I need to tell Juliet, right? If it's somebody I see in the airport, I'm not. I'm not gonna see him again. I saw you in terminal B, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? If it's in, if it's within my space, right? The realm that I live in. And because again, attraction is not planned. I don't wake up in the morning like, I can't wait to see somebody as fine as Juliet. No, attraction is not planned. It's like getting hit in the head with a brick. Your reaction to your attraction, that's what's going to be planned, right? So if I see that, like, oh, yo, I'm. I'm starting to lean for old girl, and I'm going. And she's going to be around a lot. I don't got to tell Juliet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because sometimes all you need is the conversation. The conversation snaps you back to reality. The same way you can call your homeboy and your homeboy will tell you the same thing.

[Tim Ross]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sometimes when it's that your significant other. It's the same exact thing.

[Tim Ross]

Whatever's in silence grows, and whatever's been spoken shrinks. I'm telling you, I have talked to too many people that have called me on the phone late at night, like,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

nigga, I'm going through this.

[Tim Ross]

I don't say nothing for 20 minutes. They just. And after they done, they like, my nigga, you a real one, dog. I feel so much better. And I'm like, I. I didn't say how.

[DJ Envy]

You say nothing.

[Tim Ross]

I just contained them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Tim Ross]

And some people don't need advice. They just need a safe place to be able to vent. And if we give them that safety, then they can find the peace that they've really been looking for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, one affirmation I always tell myself to keep the peace is that faith and fear can't coexist. But my body tells me that's not true. Right, so can you have faith in God and still feel lost or anxious?

[Tim Ross]

For sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Broken. Does that mean something? Off.

[Tim Ross]

No, bro. Faith is not the absence of fear. Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Hebrews 11 says, the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It's not the absence of fear, it's the. It's the presence of God in the middle of all of that fear. Psalm 23, David wrote, Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me. It's only his presence that anchors me when I feel like my world is falling apart. So absence of your presence. Notice not a word, not money. Your presence will make it possible for me to navigate something that's very, very scary. My sons were in the house. We moved from a house that was like 2100 square feet on a zero lot to a house that was 3 acres, 5000 square feet. My boys were 7 and 5 when we moved in. House is much bigger. They got a lot more room to run around. And they running around the house one day my wife is going, my mother in law is going, I'm in the house, but I'm in the master closet doing like folding clothes or something. My boys are running around the house looking for a parent and can't find nobody, right? So they are just shook. Mama, Daddy, they screaming for anybody. They think they're in the house by themselves, so they panic. Why do they panic? Because they don't sense our presence. So for five minutes, they running around screaming to the top of their lungs. I just think they're playing. I hear them screaming. I don't know they looking for anybody's attention. So I finally go in the room. I finally come out of my room and I'm like, nathan, Noah. And they were like, daddy, we told him he was in this house by himself. Oh my God. We told him he was. I was like, hell no. Just knowing my presence was there. Their nervous system's calmed down, so anxiety spikes when we believe we're alone. And it Comes down when we know someone is present.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy. Ever since I was a little. Little boy, whenever I have had panic attacks, anxiety attacks, I would say, I love Jehovah, God and his son Jesus Christ. I love your whole God and his son Jesus Christ. I love your whole God and son Jesus Christ. Satan. Satan.

Satan.

Because my mindset used to be, you know, they wanted Joe's wife, wanted him to curse God.

[Tim Ross]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And die. Yep. So if I curse Satan, then I probably live. But it really was just reminding myself, that's right. Someone was with you.

[Tim Ross]

That's exactly right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Tim Ross]

Even if you're not in the same room, he's present. Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. You dedicate this book to all the mental health professionals, you say. Why do you. You said. You said this book is for the mental health professionals, the real ones, the ones who didn't just help me survive my trauma, but gave me the tools to thrive despite it. Y' all do holy work, and I'm living proof of it. Why do you consider the work of mental health professionals to be holy work?

[Tim Ross]

Saved my life, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Same or.

[Tim Ross]

Or somebody else's, like where I came from. I told you about the time I was gonna. In my life, but there's been some times somebody else's life was going to be ended. And mental health professionals have created space for me and millions of others to come in, sit down, and listen to the deepest, darkest parts of our soul. They are patient enough with us. Not in one session, not in two sessions, but I'm talking sessions over years, getting us down to the core of what it is that we're truly wrestling with. It took me, I think, 15 years to get to the core roots of my trauma, which are abandonment issues and anxiety, attachment issues. If they. If it wasn't for their patients, I would have snapped, bro. People are out here acting out crazy because they can't put their feelings into words. And mental health professionals have paid a significant price to be able to give us language to our feelings so that we can navigate life's issues and storms and journeys. Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, man. I hope you join us this year at this year's Mental Wealth Expo, man. You know, I do the Mental Wealth Expo.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah, I would love to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

October. I would love to have you there, man.

[Tim Ross]

For sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The missing piece. If you want to do anything for somebody this Mental Health Awareness Month, go get them. Tim Ross's the missing piece, man.

[DJ Envy]

That's right. We appreciate you so much for joining us, for sharing your story and being so honest, man. Hopefully that somebody see what you went through and know that they can do it.

[Tim Ross]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I appreciate you all the time.

[Tim Ross]

Thank you. Every time I hear you speak, I appreciate you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell them how to follow you. Tim.

[Tim Ross]

Upset the talk on TikTok. Upset the gram on Instagram and on YouTube. The basement with Tim. All right.

[DJ Envy]

It's Tim Ross.

[Tim Ross]

It's the Breakfast Club.

[DJ Envy]

Good morning. And before we go, if you don't mind, we always end on a prayer. Can you end this on a prayer for sure?

[Tim Ross]

Absolutely. God, thank you so much for this team. I thank you for Envy Charlemagne, for Lauren, for Jessica. I thank you for the anointing that you have placed on their life. I thank you for the call of God that's on their life. I thank you for the influence that you have given them to Stewart. May it continue to be used to give people a safe place to find peace in Jesus name. Amen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every day I wake up.

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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