← The Breakfast Club
The Breakfast Club
INTERVIEW: Tim Shriver Introduces The Dignity Barometer, Explores Hatred In America + More
00:45:52
Loading summary
Transcript196 lines
- [00:00]
Lauren LaRosa
This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Let me get this straight. You're in Italy Child pretended to be the white Italian man's fiance.
- [00:10]
Tim Shriver
Hard to believe. This is Michael, my nephew. Then you ended up catching feelings for
- [00:15]
Lauren LaRosa
the black Italian Cousin Brothers.
- [00:18]
Tim Shriver
On April 10, she came for the pasta and got lost in the sauce. Please just tell me that you support me.
- [00:24]
Charlamagne Tha God
Damn.
- [00:25]
State Farm Narrator
No.
- [00:26]
Lauren LaRosa
Is he fine though?
- [00:27]
Tim Shriver
Come on, baby.
- [00:28]
DJ Envy
You can eat, pray and love me.
- [00:29]
Tim Shriver
Baby, you be in Tuscany B13 only. Peterson. April 10 may be inappropriate for children under 13.
- [00:34]
Nissan Narrator
Peace of mind starts with knowing what supports the journey is steady, grounded and dependable, especially during seasons of change. That's why Nissan engineers push their vehicles to the limit, to demonstrate quality, reliability and durability, making those principles a foundation across every vehicle built. That commitment has earned recognition from J.D. power, ranking Nissan number one in new vehicle quality among mainstream brands. Because when trust is built into the foundation, it creates more space to move through life with clarity, confidence and intention, getting the most out of the journey wherever it unfolds. For J.D. power 2025 U.S. initial Quality Study Award information, visit jdpower.com forward/awards Awards based on 2025 model year. Newer models may be shown.
- [01:21]
State Farm Narrator
You've been working in the garage with your dad every week, Monday to Sunday, trying to get the old school up and running. Today, after all the hard work, y' all finally finished it. Even better. Your dad says all yours, son. Yep. Same car that belonged to your grandpa and that your dad helped him fix is yours. To really keep the tradition going, you need to get State Farm insurance just like them, generation to generation. Remember to choose the ages that your family counted on. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.
- [01:51]
Lauren LaRosa
Hey y', all, it's Lauren LaRosa. Have you ever had one of those weeks where your curls are just parched? Like no matter what you do, they are begging for moisture. Cantu heard you loud and clear with their new Ultra Moisture Collection. Powered by Botanical Oil and Jamaican Black Castor oil, this new line is clinically proven to help retain moisture for up to five days. Delivers up to five days of non stop hydration. Five whole days, y'. All. The shampoo gently cleanses without stripping and the leave in and stylers keep curls soft, defined and hydrated long after your wash day. Plus, it's free of sulfates, parabens, silicones and mineral oils. If your curls have been craving real hydration, then this is it. So if your hair's curls have been so thirsty, go ahead and try that new Cantu Ultra Moisture Collection. Your Curls will thank you. It's available now at Walmart, Target and Amazon. So go get it.
- [02:42]
DJ Envy
Instagram teen accounts have automatic protections on by default built in content settings for the content teens can see, contact limits for who can contact them, and time management tools like daily time limits and sleep mode. Teens are automatically placed into teens teen accounts and teens under 16 will need a parent's permission to change any of these settings to be less strict. Instagram will continue adding built in safety features to help create age appropriate experiences. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online@instagram.com teenaccounts hold up.
- [03:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.
- [03:16]
Tim Shriver
The Breakfast Club.
- [03:20]
DJ Envy
Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy we are the Breakfast Club. Lola Rose is here with us as well. We got a special guest in building. Yes indeed we have Tim Shriver.
- [03:29]
Charlamagne Tha God
Welcome, guys.
- [03:31]
Tim Shriver
Thank you. Nice to be here. Appreciate you all having me tell them
- [03:34]
Charlamagne Tha God
a little bit about who Tim Shriver is before we get started about why you're here.
- [03:39]
Tim Shriver
Well, I grew up in a big family, a lot of politicians. I started my career teaching. I spent 15 years teaching in the New Haven public schools. Created a field called social and emotional learning, looking at the mental health issues and the challenges a lot of kids face across all income, race, gender, all that kind of stuff. And spent the last 25 years in special Olympics working on disability healing, the gap between people who do and don't have intellectual and developmental disabilities. In the last couple years, I've been trying to figure out there's a way to heal the gaps in our country.
- [04:13]
Charlamagne Tha God
You're the chairman of the Special Olympics.
- [04:15]
Tim Shriver
Yes, sir.
- [04:15]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes. Yes. And Tim, man, Tim has created a survey that tracks how we're treating each other in America called the Dignity of Barometer.
- [04:24]
Tim Shriver
Dignity Barometer.
- [04:26]
Charlamagne Tha God
What is that?
- [04:27]
Tim Shriver
So the question, you know, Char, we've been asking, I think the country's been asking, is what's tearing us apart so badly? Why are we so angry? Why are we so anxious? Why are mental health problems growing? Why can't we talk about issues? Why can't we solve problems? Our view is that we sometimes I diagnose the problem as we differ, come from different backgrounds. We don't think it's differences that are the problem. We think it's how we treat each other when we differ, which is a whole different set of questions. So we decided to measure how do Americans think about how they're treating one another? And that's the. This is why we've. We launched this. This called the Dignity Barometer. And we think at the heart of figuring out how we get more justice, more joy, more progress as a country is figuring out ways to treat each other better. And that's what the survey tells us.
- [05:15]
Charlamagne Tha God
This Survey said that 94% of Americans believe that all people deserve to be treated with dignity. So, so, so what can you.
- [05:23]
Tim Shriver
Do you believe that?
- [05:25]
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm not going to lie. Seem high, but who's going to lie about that?
- [05:28]
Tim Shriver
No, I know, but I mean, it's. It is. We were hoping we would get, like 55% would say yes, because I was worried that when we asked that question, was going to be like 40 or 30%. No, I don't think those people should be. I don't think, you know, Republicans or Democrats, I don't think people that come from New York or people that come from Mississippi, whatever, you know, I thought we were going to get a lot. 94%. That's an aspirational goal for us as a country. And what's equally interesting, I think, in the Barometer is that they say this is just as important, almost as important as the economy. People say. I think the number is 80, 86% say the cost of living is the most important issue. The next one is 83% say, you know, toxic. The toxic culture is the next most important issue. So it's a kitchen table. We call it a kitchen table issue. When you're talking about the price of eggs, when you're talking about can you walk on a safe street, you're also talking about, do you trust your fellow Americans? That's important to people, and they see it as a crisis.
- [06:29]
Charlamagne Tha God
So what does that tell you about society? When you see 94% of Americans believe that people deserve to be treated with dignity? Like, what does that tell you? Society wants.
- [06:36]
Tim Shriver
It tells me that people are hungry for leadership. To show them how to do that, they will. Great. They rate. They rate the problem as coming from politics and the media, honestly. But they also realize they're not living up to their own aspirations. This is what was surprising. More than half Americans say, we're not doing this. You know, we want this, but we're not doing it. So it's a little bit like we're naming the problem as politics, you know, the algorithm and all that stuff, which is, you know, really problematic. But we're also naming a problem that we can each be a part of solving. I said, you know, the other day just came out of my mouth. Most of us can't solve the war in Iran, but we can solve the war at home. We can. That's within our power. We don't have to wait for the president, the senator, a governor, mayor, police chief, superintendent of schools. We don't have to wait. I mean, if we had leadership from those people, it would be great. And we do have in some spots, but we can heal. This is. You know, you've been talking for years now, Charlotte, about mental health and about the urgency of facing mental health issues. How do we build mental wealth? You find and you feel like you're treated with dignity.
- [07:51]
Charlamagne Tha God
Absolutely.
- [07:53]
Tim Shriver
That's where it starts. When your dignity is violated, how can you be healthy? How can you not resort to hostility and anger and violence? Our goal is to help people figure out how to find their own dignity and treat others with dignity. I think that would go a long way towards helping us get out of the mess we're in.
- [08:11]
Lauren LaRosa
I've seen you say people who use this index, like, in politics, it won't, like, censor government. Right, but how do you not censor, like, looking at the people who lead our government in certain administrations or whatever, how do you not censor but also tell them to treat other people with dignity when a lot of what they're saying and doing is the opposite of treating people with dignity?
- [08:29]
Tim Shriver
Well, we're just trying to, like. What I like to say is there's a new issue, so we might differ on what we should do on climate change. Right. You and I, but we can discuss it and you can say, well, on this moment, we should have done this, or we should be funding more for schools or whatever. On this issue, we should have discussions. Is it appropriate for the mayor, the governor, the president, the senator to speak this way? How do you defend using this much contempt? Mr. Mayor, Mr. Madam Senator, you know, Madam Governor, whatever it is, I like
- [09:03]
Charlamagne Tha God
the second part of that. I don't like the first part, because the first part is asking an answer. We know that is the way that they should be conducting themselves. So I think the second part of. How do you. How do you contain. Like, what did you say?
- [09:15]
Tim Shriver
Well, what I'm saying is. Here's the thing, Char. Most people don't see their own contempt. You see the contempt in other people, but you don't see it in your. Like this woman said to me, I hate hateful people. Yeah, but she didn't see it. She didn't see that she had begun what you hate. Yeah, that's right.
- [09:34]
Charlamagne Tha God
I did that last week in my therapist office. I literally. I literally Was talking to my therapist about somebody that I was saying I hated, and I. I felt so bad because I couldn't believe I had gotten to that point.
- [09:43]
Tim Shriver
Yeah. Why?
- [09:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
I felt like I hated this individual, but I didn't actually hate them. I hated what they represent. Okay. The point is, like, I became what I. I became the energy. I didn't like you.
- [09:53]
Tim Shriver
You know, we all do that, and we. We get. But if we started to catch ourselves, challenge ourselves, We've seen this with, you know, like with Governor Cox, for instance, in Utah after the Charlie Kirk murder. He really tried to treat the. The. The accused perpetrator, the victim, his family, the country, with a certain degree of dignity. He tried not to get trapped in the political vice. The same thing we've seen in other situations. We saw this in Mother Emanuel Church over a decade ago. People trying, in the face of violence, in the face of that kind of contemptuous action, hatred with a gun, to respond in some way that would allow us to see there's a way out of hatred. We don't have to return hatred.
- [10:41]
Charlamagne Tha God
With hatred, they forgive the, you know, the perpetrators of the crime. I often wonder about that. I often wonder if that is a real emotion or are they just doing that because they feel like that's what they need to do.
- [10:52]
Tim Shriver
Well, I think in your heart, you know, we all know the difference. We lie sometimes when we say what we think people want to hear. But I think there's also real evidence that many people have been able to transform hate and turn it, you know, like Dr. King said, you know, the only thing that will, you know, defeat hate is love. And I think people understand at some level within themselves when they can find that it's not easy in the face of somebody treating you with contempt, to return that contempt with. With your principles. But without hatred. I mean, our point here is don't. Don't dim your principles. You know, don't. Don't. Don't be a centrist on everything. Don't become, you know, like, that's not the point of dignity. The point of dignity is to fight for your principles. We say add one when you're fighting for your principles, treat the person on the other side with dignity, and you will actually make a much better case for your principles. When you don't treat the other person with contempt, when you treat them with dignity, but challenge fiercely, strongly, passionately, their programs, their plans, their. The outcomes of their behavior. Like you say, you were so angry at what the person was doing. That doesn't have to be the same Thing as being angry at the person. There's a, there's that kind of sensitive separation I think we can make, and this is what the poll is telling us people want. You know, when we said, why should we bother treating each other with dignity? You know what they said? Kids are watching. Our children are watching.
- [12:26]
Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
- [12:27]
Tim Shriver
Our children are watching. You look at the mental health crisis in kids. If I'm 15, 16 years old today and I see a country I don't trust, I see institutions I don't trust, I see people who threaten me, I see a future I can't understand. I see a job market I can't plan for. Why wouldn't I be? Why wouldn't I have a mental health crisis? We have to reverse this because our kids are watching. They want to see something they can believe in. Every child does. And, and if we keep showing them nothing but hatred and contempt for each other, we're going to see these numbers get even worse. They're bad enough right now.
- [13:07]
Charlamagne Tha God
And some other data that the dignity barometer showed was 31% of the people say we actually treat people with dignity. What do you think of that number?
- [13:16]
Tim Shriver
I think it's honest.
- [13:17]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's, that's, that seemed very low.
- [13:19]
Tim Shriver
Is low. But it's true. I mean, if I sit in a room, it doesn't matter whether the room super conservative or super progressive, and I ask people, last time you talked politics, I give them the dignity index and I show them, here's a one. A one is violence and hatred. A two is hatred. A three is disdain, you know, and a four is just I'm superior to you. So those are the scores. Hatred, disdain, violence and superiority. I say, when you last talked politics, how would you score yourself? Were you, did you use violent rhetoric, hateful rhetoric, disdainful rhetoric, or just superiority? Most people score themselves with two, which is hateful. When I speak, when last time you talked to your friends, you were sitting around talking about what? Whoever it was, Trump or Schumer or whoever, you know, the mayor, whatever, what kind of language. Most people rate themselves. They don't rate other. They rate themselves a 2 or a 3 at the bottom, towards the bottom of the scale. So this number in the barometer backs that up. We don't realize we are being as hateful as the people we're attacking. But when you ask people, they, they, they, I think they're pretty honest. Only 30% of us, 30 plus percent of us think we treat each other, other people with dignity.
- [14:38]
Charlamagne Tha God
Shouldn't we hate the current system, though?
- [14:40]
Nissan Narrator
Yeah.
- [14:41]
Charlamagne Tha God
Shouldn't we hate what's going on in this country right now?
- [14:43]
Tim Shriver
Can you hate the system or the program or the policy without hating the person? This is the question.
- [14:51]
Charlamagne Tha God
Not right now.
- [14:52]
Tim Shriver
Yeah.
- [14:52]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, especially when you have an outspoken. Like, we hear things from a person every day almost. You know what I'm saying? Hateful things.
- [15:00]
Tim Shriver
Yeah.
- [15:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
About other people, other groups of people. You know what I'm saying? People are not treating. Being treated humanely.
- [15:08]
I think it's actually as crazy as it sounds. I never thought about it, but I've also never thought about hating a particular politician or elected official. I think for some reason, it's easier to hate the system and the ideas of politicians than it is to hate the actual.
- [15:24]
Tim Shriver
Well, that's pretty sophisticated, honestly. That's a. That's. I would. I want to sound like silly, but that's advanced to be able to say, I hate the way we allocate money for schools, or I hate the way we allocate money for law enforcement. I hate the way we allocate money for public works, or I hate the way we spend money on defense, or I hate the way we don't spend whatever it is that's. Most people just say I hate Trump or I hate Biden. But, you know, if all you do is hate Trump or hate Biden, you make an enemy for whatever your ideas are from everybody who loves Trump or who loves Biden. So, you know, does that matter at
- [15:58]
Charlamagne Tha God
a time like this?
- [15:59]
Tim Shriver
Do we want to change them? I mean, we, I'm guessing most of your listeners, if not every single one, would prefer a different president. So that means you got to get 51% of the vote for a different type of leader. Do we want to convince the people, I mean, we have people in this country, a lot of them, who voted for Barack Obama and Donald Trump. Do you want to convince them to vote for a more progressive candidate? I don't think it's going to be effective. If one wants to convince them to vote for a more progressive candidate to say how much you hate the candidate they voted for, that just creates tribal defensiveness. If I say I hate people that work in this studio, I hate everybody that works for Ushar. All I do is make an enemy. If I say this one person has behaved in a way or something they said on the show yesterday or last week was really troubling to me, then I have at least a shot of winning you over because I'm actually engaging in a conversation that I think you might be open to listening to me.
- [16:58]
Charlamagne Tha God
What if I say, I hate this system that has put us in the current condition where people, you know, can't afford just to make ends meet, can't afford health care.
- [17:09]
Tim Shriver
I would just say, tell me what. What part? Like, tell me something that we can fix. Tell me something we can fix. Can we fix health care? I mean, it's complicated. I'm sure maybe there's great ideas about it. Can we fix affordable.
- [17:22]
Charlamagne Tha God
How can we create housing? Affordable housing?
- [17:24]
Tim Shriver
Housing, yeah. So what's the solution there? I mean, I. I think to have a conversation about that. Do I hate the mayor because we don't have affordable housing? I mean, I don't think it helps.
- [17:33]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I don't hate the one. I can't hate the one individual because I know it's bigger than that. One individual.
- [17:39]
Tim Shriver
Right, right. But that's. Like I said, that that's why. Honestly, that's why you're able to bring so many people into the conversation, because I think you're able to sort parts of the country or parts of the system or parts of policies that you find, you know, injust or unacceptable from hating individual people. And I think that's what the country's not doing well right now.
- [18:05]
Charlamagne Tha God
How do you think the TSA workers feel at airports? They say, do you think they should hate the system or hate the man that they hear, the president that they hear every day saying, like, pretty much, he doesn't care about them not getting. About them not getting paid. In fact, he's gonna send ice, who he is paying to go to the airport to help TSA workers who are still expected to show up without getting paid. Like, do you expect them to hate the systems, or can they hate the man in charge?
- [18:39]
Because they definitely hate not getting paid.
- [18:40]
Tim Shriver
I mean, here's the thing. When I was a kid, I don't know about you all at your dinner table, but my mother used to say, you're not allowed to use the word hate. I don't know if anybody else had that, but my mother said you can call people like. She. I don't know, she came up with the name Elephant Ears. You can call someone Elephant Ears, but you can't say you hate them. That's a dirty word.
- [19:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
- [19:01]
In my house, too, as well, growing up. Yeah.
- [19:03]
Tim Shriver
Okay, so you heard the same thing. A lot of. A lot of moms. A lot of our moms and grandmoms and dads and stuff gave that message. I don't think. I don't think that message was misguided. I think there are moments, you know, I wouldn't tell you to listen to somebody who walks in here with a gun and starts shooting. It's not a good time for dignity. It's a time for safety. It's a time for emergency response. It's a time for protection. It's a time for maybe even retaliation, if you can. If you can defend yourself. So the goal of this dignity conversation is not to say there's an absolute right and wrong in the way you treat each other. The goal is to say that when we see our own contempt, we almost always want to change. We want to do better. We want to do a little better. Like, we don't want to be hateful people. Most people don't want that. They may feel it, but they. They would rather be able to transform the situation. The TSA worker you described, I think they'd rather figure out why the heck does the system not, why can't we get paid? Why can't they pass a bill for the third time? You know, why can't Republicans and Democrats agree? And I'll tell you, the primary reason they don't agree is because they're so contemptuous of each other, because they hate each other. And they're using their hatred of each other to advance their own political agendas. I'm sorry to say I think that's true. I grew up in politics. I had senators, presidents of the United States and my family. But today, politicians, many of them, are motivated as much by using issues for political advantage as they are for solving problems. You can hate the system, or you can say to your senator or your congressman, I want solutions. I don't want to hear how much you hate the other side. I want to hear how you're going to solve this problem.
- [20:48]
DJ Envy
In certain instances, I do believe that you can hate somebody. And I feel like, in my opinion, it'll be okay. Right. So I'll explain it like this. In certain cases, yeah, you could dislike their policy. Right. You could dislike the things that they're doing. But if somebody comes into my house and kills my family, I'm going to hate that individual. And I'm not on a healing journey to the point where I say, well, you know what? I'm going to turn my other cheek or I'm going to forgive them. I don't think so. You know, and I see people do it all the time. I think majority is bull crap. Part of my friends.
- [21:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
I think majority of biblical teachings, I
- [21:25]
DJ Envy
think it's bull crap, in my opinion. And I also do think is some of it is they do that because they feel like that's what they should do. But now do they believe it in their heart? I kind of find it hard to believe when you just took my whole family out, or you just did something to my child, or you just did something to my mother or father, or when you see people in the church and somebody will come into church and just shoot the whole church up. It's difficult to believe that because I feel like it allows you to open that up for something like that to happen. Again, just my opinion, when it comes to, quote, unquote, hate. Now, when things with politics and things like that, yeah, I feel like people dislike policies. But if you're a hateful person and a nasty person, in my opinion, me saying I hate that person, it's not the same as a person doing evil things. You just don't like the fact that that person is doing an evil job. Yeah, I can hate the devil. Is that mad saying I hate the devil? You know what I mean? So I feel like when it comes to that type, it's certain things, it's like you can't experience. I can't give everybody grace. In my opinion, I'm not there yet. But you kill my family, I can't give you grace. I'm sorry. I'll holler at the big man when I get there, but I just can't.
- [22:31]
Tim Shriver
Yeah, I hear you. I don't think it's always a fake. I don't think that's true.
- [22:37]
DJ Envy
I didn't say all the time. I think sometimes I do feel that way.
- [22:39]
Tim Shriver
I think sometimes people aspire to be forgiving, even though in their hearts they aren't yet. And so they say they are, maybe in hopes of becoming the words they use. Sometimes people just lie and say, I'm forgiving, and they harbor hatred and they don't care about the lie. But I think a lot of times people do move. I mean, I've seen in my own family. My own family, we've had, you know, we've. Violence has taken people from my family.
- [23:05]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, this is. Can I say who your uncle is?
- [23:08]
Tim Shriver
Yeah, sure.
- [23:08]
Charlamagne Tha God
John F. Kennedy.
- [23:09]
Tim Shriver
Yeah, of course.
- [23:09]
Charlamagne Tha God
President Kennedy.
- [23:10]
Tim Shriver
So I grew up in a situation where violence robbed us as children, of safety, of the health of our parents, of people we loved. And I've seen people struggle with that their whole life, you know? And I've seen people try really hard to forgive so that they would be able to get the devil out from inside them. The anger, the hostility, the vitriol, the pain could be eased through the act of forgiveness. So sometimes, maybe it's not even selfish. It's not even selfless. It's selfish to forgive because that's where healing, I think, happens. But here's the thing. This is a conversation the country needs to be trying to have. I'm not here to tell you I'm not a preacher. I'm not here to say this is the commandment. I'm here to say I think we're seeing a new issue in the country and asking ourselves how we treat each other as an issue. I mean, what is. You know, this is a conversation that has focused in many, many different moments in time on issues of race and culture and these kinds of things. What is racism if not institutionalized hatred?
- [24:33]
Charlamagne Tha God
For sure.
- [24:35]
Tim Shriver
Okay, so it's an institutionalization of the humiliation and demeaning and, and. And hatred of a group of people. So, you know, if we want to end it, we have to end hatred. Because at the surface, at the heart of it is hatred is a sense of superiority, is a sense of disdain for people that come from a different, certain background or certain skin color. As crazy as it is, that's what we. That's. That's the reality. So I just want to. I want to talk systems. I want to talk housing. I want to talk healthcare. I want to talk education. That's my background. I want to talk all those things. I also want to talk about this as a country. And that's what the barometer says.
- [25:21]
DJ Envy
Where does the hate. How do we stop hate? Right? Especially in Israel.
- [25:26]
Tim Shriver
That's a really good question.
- [25:27]
DJ Envy
I feel like our community has seen probably one of the worst hates, right. I can tell you from my dad serving in Vietnam, him and the troops coming, you know, going to a restaurant, the white troops going to a restaurant, he has to sit outside, right? That's hate from built up. He will never forget that. He talks about that all the time, you know, how he feels towards people, because those are the same people he fought for this country for. And they looked at him differently when he got off that barrack, you know what I mean? So it's like that's embedded in his life and how he feels. So he always looks at white people like that because he remembers that. He remembers taking a bus and having to sit in the back. He remembers being a bus driver and throwing things at him. He remember those things. So that hate is embedded because those people hated him.
- [26:09]
Tim Shriver
I, you know, as a country or as a person who's a. Who's. Who believes in this country, it breaks my heart, I know it's true. That happened and it happens, right? It's not just what your dad experienced. As you know, I don't have to say it on this show. That kind of behavior still happens and it's a stain on our country and it's a stain on me as a white man. And I'll come back to the question you asked, which is how do we end that? And there's a lot of theories on how you end hatred. One of them is you kill people who are hateful. That's war. One of them is you cancel, destroy, demean, humiliate people who are hateful. That's prison. Or cancel culture. And you know, those things, you know, like for Williams said after, you know, I use a great, I think it's a great quote from Pharrell Williams. He just said it on a daytime talk show about eight years ago. He said, you know, you have to choose what side you're on. So what side what, you know, his language was I'm going to choose empathy, I'm going to choose inclusion, going to choose love for everybody. Just wishing people the best as a way of transforming hatred. I don't know that it always works.
- [27:31]
Lauren LaRosa
Let me get this straight.
- [27:32]
Tim Shriver
You're in Italy. Ciao.
- [27:33]
Lauren LaRosa
Pretended to be the white Italian man's fiance.
- [27:37]
Tim Shriver
Hard to believe. This is Michael, my nephew. Then you ended up catching feelings for
- [27:42]
Lauren LaRosa
the black Italian Cousin Brothers.
- [27:45]
Tim Shriver
On April 10, she came for the pasta and got lost in the sauce. Please just tell me that you support me.
- [27:52]
Lauren LaRosa
Is he fine though?
- [27:53]
Tim Shriver
Come on, baby. You be in Tuscany. 13 only in theaters April 10, may be inappropriate for children under 13.
- [28:01]
DJ Envy
We know parents want to feel confident as their teens navigate social media. With Instagram teen accounts, teens get automatic protections by default. Teens between the ages of 13 to 17 are automatically put into a protective experience. That means they get built in content settings for what they see, contact limits on who can contact them, and time management tools like daily time limit reminders, as well as sleep mode, which mutes notifications from 10pm to 7am plus. Teens under 16 need a parent's permission to change any of these settings to be less strict. Instagram continues to work on building new safety features to help create age appropriate experiences for teens. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to help protect teens online@instagram.com
- [28:44]
Nissan Narrator
teenaccounts Pressure has a way of revealing what remains steady. In the latest Nissan campaign, the Nissan Rogue was tested to the extreme to demonstrate that it's built to last through Durability and reliability challenges inspired by real tests conducted by Nissan engineers. Brutal potholes, a steady force of water, even a jet powered sandstorm. Each challenge inviting a deeper look at how quality, durability and reliability hold their ground in real world conditions. Every test was 100% real. No CG, no AI. To see how the Rogue held up, visit nissan-duordability.com Hey, y', all, what's up?
- [29:24]
Lauren LaRosa
It's Lauren LaRosa. Okay, let's talk curls for a second. Because you already know if you have curly or coily hair, moisture is not optional, it's essential. Dryness is one of the biggest challenges for curly hair. In most products, they clock out after wash day. The new Ultra Moisture collection was literally designed with our hair in mind. Curls, coils, all of it powered by potato oil and Jamaican black castor oil. Which means the science is actually doing the work. Clinically proven to help retain moisture for up to five days. Five whole days. The shampoo gently cleanses without stripping. The mask deeply conditions and helps reduce breakage. The leave in adds a lightweight hydration with hyaluronic acid. And the curl cream defines without crunch. No sulfates, no parabens, no silicones, no mineral oils. Just nourishment without the compromise. Because here's the thing. Your hair deserves products that actually understand it. Moisture that starts at the root and keeps going. Well past Sunday, that's the Ultra Moisture collection from Cantu Explore, their full line, built for every curl pattern, every hair routine available now at Walmart, Target, and Amazon. Go get it.
- [30:32]
State Farm Narrator
You've been working in the garage with your dad every week, Monday to Sunday, trying to get the old school up and running. Today, after all the hard work, y' all finally finished it. So you have that feeling of accomplishment. You did it. Then your dad throws you the keys. He says those three magic words. All yours, son. Yup. Same car that belonged to your grandpa and that your dad helped him fix. It's yours. Three generations right there, keeping the tradition alive. But if you ask dad to really keep the tradition going, you need to get insurance. And you already know you need to get State Farm. Because your agent, well, he gets tradition too. His dad was an agent, his grandpa too. So he gets you. Generation to generation. Remember to choose the agents that your family counted on. Like a good neighbor. State Farm is there not.
- [31:27]
Tim Shriver
Maybe not in the short term, but in the long term, I think you know the thing, you know, like if you're a teacher and you go down, you're in the playground or you're in the cafeteria and there's a fight going on. You know what everybody says he started it. Of course he started it at a certain point. Like
- [31:47]
Charlamagne Tha God
who?
- [31:47]
Tim Shriver
I mean, it's important who started it, but who can stop it? Who's going to stop it? Who's going to stop it? Who's going to stop the behavior that damaged and demeaned and humiliated your dad? Who's going to stop it and how are we going to stop it?
- [32:03]
Charlamagne Tha God
And what's the atonement for it?
- [32:04]
Tim Shriver
And what's the reconciliation, you know, the truth and reconciliation like they did in South Africa? What's the reconciliation process? What's the, you know, in schools, we try to get rid of punitive discipline and create restorative practices so that people can learn how to make amends for things they've done wrong. Kids at 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 years old can learn the process of undoing the pain through making some kind of restorative practice, through apology, through rebuilding trust, Slowly, slowly trying to start on a new foot.
- [32:39]
DJ Envy
But that's a tall order. When everything that you said, it feels like it's dialed back, right? You say, well, how do, how do we stop it? When in 2026, 2025, they pulling books out of schools, which is African American legacy, right? You have all these amazing black entrepreneurs in all these different stores, right? And they wouldn't be in those stores, but they would have to force. And those products are selling amazing. So that means it was the right, the right thing to do. They pull back DEI now, all those people that were selling taken out of the stores. So how do you do that when it feels like it's dialed back in 2026, when things are supposed to be getting better and we're supposed to be moving on and dignity and all that. But it seems like every year it gets worse. It gets worse. And how do you expect people not to hate the system that's making it worse?
- [33:29]
Tim Shriver
I don't think anything that you said there is hateful. I think what you said is there's laws and rules that are unfair, that are unjust. I, I mean, I happen to agree with you. Somebody else might sit here and say, I don't agree. I don't like affirmative action, you know, or I love affirmative action. I happen to agree with you, but I don't think what you said was hateful. I think what you said is there's policies that are damaging the lives of Americans. Hard working, caring, smart, creative Americans are being hurt by policies being enacted by this administration. Game On. Let's have a conversation about it. Is DEI gone? I mean, maybe in some places, people are changing their language and stuff like that, but is this country no longer committed? I mean, in the Special Olympics world, we call ourselves the Inclusion Revolution. I. That's the I of DEI Inclusion Revolution. We go all schools, all over the country, trying to help people see that this child you thought was hopeless and helpless and a victim and somebody you wanted out of your school, out of your classroom, out of your place of business belongs. People are still welcoming it. So I think. I think the heart of the country is open. I mean, I think there's a possibility in the future. Maybe I'm naive. You know, you might say I'm naive. I've been accused of that before. But I think, you know, our history tells us that leaders can rise up and can change the narrative for us and can bring us greater dignity. We've seen this in other countries when there have been governments that have appeared totalitarian or have appeared authoritarian, and leaders rise up, sometimes from the people, and they say, no, we want a different path, or do we want to just retaliate and do revenge? Because they started it. Yeah, and you know what they say?
- [35:28]
Charlamagne Tha God
The.
- [35:28]
Tim Shriver
The guy before me started it. So we're going to end up in either a revenge cycle or a healing cycle. And maybe there's a little bit of us in each one. There's a little bit of us that wants healing and a little bit of us that wants revenge. Okay, game on. Let's. Let's have that conversation.
- [35:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
This is an interesting conversation because, you know, envy's not wrong. You're not wrong either. And, you know, like you said, in light of history, I think about, like, Martin Luther King Jr. Right. Because there's evidence that what you're talking about is worked. MLK Jr always talked about, you know, the power of love, Right? He talked about how he decided to stick with love because he knows that love is ultimately the only answer to humankind's problems. But you still had to have a leader like your uncle, John F. Kennedy, who. Who understood that, who felt that, who had compassion for what other people was going through. So I wonder, was that message. Was that what made your uncle move the way he moved?
- [36:18]
Tim Shriver
I mean, I think so. I think, look, he grew up with a sister who had an intellectual disability. So take this. You know, in 1920, to have an intellectual disability meant you got put in institution for life, locked up, parents told, give up your kid, put it in his. You know, half the time, no clothing. So that's what, that's what would have happened to his sister. But his sister stayed home. My grandparents made the most important decision, I think, of their lives, which is to keep their child with a disability at home. So that young man, John, little John Kennedy, grew up with a sister the world hated and he loved. And so he knew something was wrong with the world because he knew his sister was beautiful and competent and caring and funny and playful and socially great. And she couldn't go to school, Char. There was no school, literally.
- [37:12]
Charlamagne Tha God
So he had compassion for marginalized communities.
- [37:14]
Tim Shriver
I think, I think he learned it at the. At his own kitchen table, just like a lot of us learned it at our own kitchen tables. And so the question is, can, you know, can we, can we create a viral movement? That's what Dr. King did. He. He awakened people to the dignity. I mean, that's what, that's what the. That's what the march was. That's. That's what the, the sit in protests were. I'm sitting here because I own my own dignity. I'm not getting up from this seat. No, Ms. Park said, I am not moving. And all of a sudden, you know, not all of a sudden. That's. That's the wrong way to put it. But over time, hearts began to soften. If you read that, if you want. If you want the best treatise in American history on dignity, in my view, just my personal opinion. Reread. I know everybody's read it, but reread after this conversation. A letter from a Birmingham city jail. Read the long version. Don't read the short version. The people. Sometimes you see it on the Internet. You get the three paragraphs, not three paragraphs. It's like 5,000 words. And he fiercely challenges the bigotry and the segregationists and the accommodationists of mostly religious leaders, but find in there a hateful word toward them. I was talking to this guy the other day. His. He runs one of the big museums in Atlanta, and his grandfather was one of those white ministers in Birmingham who Dr. King was writing to in that Birmingham. And he. I haven't dug into this much, but he said, you know, that letter changed my grandfather's life. And the grandfather's still alive. So I'm guessing a couple of those preachers that he was writing to, those ministers he was writing to are still living. So I, I just think that's. We got a better shot that way.
- [39:05]
Charlamagne Tha God
I just wonder if that's not quick.
- [39:07]
Tim Shriver
You know, taking somebody out is quicker.
- [39:10]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I just wonder if that will work with this, with A regime implement an authoritarian strategy. That's all. I just. I just wonder. And also, I wonder if it's even about the regime. Maybe it's just about us. Maybe us as people. Because, you know, I feel like the greatest, you know, political institution in this country is we the people.
- [39:28]
Tim Shriver
That's it. That's right.
- [39:29]
Charlamagne Tha God
So maybe it starts with us having dignity for each other. Maybe we need to be the body that, you know, comes.
- [39:34]
Tim Shriver
I mean, that's. That's. That's what the data says. I mean, in the end of the day, I'm here because there's new data, and the data says people want that and we don't have to wait for the president. But let's be clear. Hateful politicians survive and thrive when they tap in to the hate in us on both sides. Now, I'm not saying it's morally equivalent on both sides, but I'm saying the tactics are sometimes equivalent. Hatred on one side is not necessarily better than hatred on the other side, even if the cause might be better on one side or the other. So I think people are starving to hear a conversation like this. I mean, I hope people say, wow, that's interesting. I agree with him. No, I don't agree with him. No. Maybe we should try it there. Maybe we shouldn't try it there. Maybe I could have said that differently. That's what kids saw. When I present this stuff, invariably, kids say, you know what? I put a post up. Yes. I'm gonna take it down. I attacked. And kids see this. Kids see the attacks, the vicious, you know, you disgusting. You jerk. You're hopeless. You're ugly. You know, this is what kids are seeing at 10, 12, 14 years old. And when they hear that there's another way to do this, they. Almost all of them. I'm telling you, it's amazing. I've talked into assemblies 5, 6, 700 kids. They almost always. I'm going to take a post down I put up yesterday.
- [40:52]
State Farm Narrator
Wow.
- [40:53]
Charlamagne Tha God
There are actually, like, the streamers that categorize rage bait. It's called rage bait. They do nothing but hate people to be angry. They. They say things. They can be, not just racist things, but just anything, like, to get people riled up. Like, that's an actual category on the street.
- [41:13]
Tim Shriver
It's a business that, you know, Amanda Ripley calls them conflict entrepreneurs.
- [41:18]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, I like that.
- [41:19]
Tim Shriver
You know, and they're just out there trying to get us furious.
- [41:24]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, yeah.
- [41:25]
Tim Shriver
So that you go to. You have to go to your therapist. Like, I can't.
- [41:28]
Charlamagne Tha God
I hate this mother.
- [41:29]
Tim Shriver
I Hate this mother. I can't stand it. Because you've been. More often than not, you've been caught by rage bait.
- [41:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
- [41:37]
Tim Shriver
And you've been. You've been. You've seen the conflict. Entrepreneurs. And, you know, sometimes, like I said, I had this focus group with seventh graders out and eighth graders in Des Moines, Iowa, a couple years ago. I was talking about bullying and contempt and what's it like in your school? And the kids. Well, young girl says, ah, you know, we don't have much bullying in the schools. I asked another question. Like, when you do, do the teachers care? Yeah, the teachers care. I said, well, what about you in the peer groups when there's bullies? She says, that's the third question you asked me about bullying. I'm telling you, we do not have a bullying problem. Says, you want to find bullies? Go look at the adults.
- [42:13]
Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
- [42:18]
Tim Shriver
In ties and suits and boardrooms and halls of congress. That's what she said. She said, when I go home, I see my mom watching tv. That's where the bullies are. Bullies aren't in my school.
- [42:32]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, wow. Yeah.
- [42:33]
Tim Shriver
So the kids know that it's us. And I'm. Again, I'm not saying this is the absolute, you know, right and wrong. I'm saying when you start to see, like, the map in your mind, like you were just describing to me, this map in your mind, when someone comes in and takes the life of your children, your family, and how you would move from being maybe a peaceful or happy person, down, down, down into the descent of hatred and venom and retaliation. And that's a map. We all know it. And there's a map that lets us move up, you know, and the steps we can go through and the healing we can go through and the therapy we can go through and the faith we can manage and the trust we can build. You know, we all have different solutions. The music we can listen to, I think that's a good conversation. Like, how do we move up and how do we get the, you know, the. The rage bait out of our system? I mean, if you said, have a cup of poison in the morning, say that's not good for you. But we consume a whole dose of rage bait, and that's not good for you either. That's even in my view. I mean, depends on what the point. It's even. It's almost worse. The data says people understand that.
- [43:55]
DJ Envy
Mimi, you had a question?
- [43:56]
Protest Organizer
Well, we were talking. You were talking earlier, and I'll bring it back to rage bait. We have our President of the United States basically rage baiting us every single day. I mean, he recently just said he was happy that Robert Mueller was dead. Right. So how do we continue to process that when every day we continue to hear things like that coming from the top.
- [44:23]
Tim Shriver
I don't have a perfect answer for you there. I tell you what I do. I limit my intake. Because some of that is not news any more than I would watch a Ku Klux Klan website. I don't go there. I don't mean it's not happening, but it's not important to me. I think a lot of people in schools were doing this. Now limit your intake. Don't click on everything that says something that you think is outrageous. Not because, you know, you want to live in a fantasy world, but because you want to limit the poison going into your body. And sometimes that's all it is. Sometimes we're just spinning on poison. So one thing is limit your intake. A second thing is to figure out how to process and manage your anger and channel it into things that'll make a difference because just retaliating that that post is offensive or hateful or whatever. I think what a lot of people want to do is figure out how to create an alternative.
- [45:25]
Protest Organizer
And to your point, I think a lot of people are doing that. We have the no Kings protest right. Coming up where a lot of people are pulling together to fight back and to say that this is not okay.
- [45:35]
Tim Shriver
Yeah, I think a lot of people are. And I just hope, you know, the next round of, of political action doesn't begin with no. I mean, no kings. I get it.
- [45:46]
Protest Organizer
Yeah.
- [45:47]
Tim Shriver
But I'm hoping we. The next round of political action begins with what we want.
- [45:50]
Protest Organizer
Yeah.
- [45:52]
Tim Shriver
What do we want? We want. We want a country where people treat. I mean, look, maybe AI is coming for our jobs. I don't know. You know, maybe, maybe nuclear weapons are coming for our lives. I don't know. But in the meantime, we have 300 plus million people in this country. We got a lot of pain in our past and in our present. We got a lot of anxiety in our children and in our families. There's one group of people that can do something about it. That's us. I think it's a good place to start.
- [46:22]
Charlamagne Tha God
So now that we have this data, what do we do with it? I know you got the website Dignity Us.
- [46:27]
Tim Shriver
Dignity Us check out. You can check out the data there. We have a series of training programs we're doing with businesses. We've trained like 30,000 employees in companies that want More dignity in their leaders, in their problem solving, in their team building. And we're getting great results from that. We have a partnership with the National Governors association to try to get governors. You know, we're not at the level of the federal government, but the states are really important. And how our governors lead is often a big part of our daily life. So we got a lot of governors, governors like Wes Moore, Josh Shapiro, Spencer Cox, Kevin Stitt who are joining us, Jared Polis who are joining us and saying, I'm committing to leading with dignity. So we're working with politicians to try to train them in the skills of dignity. And we're working with schools. And here's the newest one. We haven't really gotten going on this, but we've had a lot of requests from faith leaders. You know why? Because they say they're trapped in hating other faith leaders. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they have hatred within their congregation.
- [47:38]
Charlamagne Tha God
Why would they hate each other? Like what?
- [47:40]
Tim Shriver
Well, you see progressive faith leaders who see these white.
- [47:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
What's that? You get more tithes and offerings than me on Sunday. Like, what's the word?
- [47:46]
Tim Shriver
Maybe, but maybe it's just they see the violation of their principles. Somebody claiming to be a Christian who is, you know, pro immigrant something, claiming to be a Christian who is pro white nationalist. And people go, I can't. That person is. I hate that guy. And so the breakdown in the faith based community, and let's be honest, I mean, I'm a person of faith, but faith has, you know, saved my life. But it's also been a source of a lot of hatred over the years. So we have people in the community of believers who haven't quite figured out how to answer the question we're asking ourselves is, which is when we see things that we find unacceptable, unjust, how can we respond with love. Can we do what Dr. King said? It's not easy. Even people who preach it can't necessarily do it. So we have like a whole skills framework, Char, that, you know, we can show you how to be a better listener, show you how to be more curious, show you how to stand up for your principles without dehumanizing other people. So we're building a little toolkit to try to.
- [48:49]
Protest Organizer
Yeah, you know, to your point, the, the protests in Minnesota with the. The pastor.
- [48:54]
Tim Shriver
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you saw this and a lot of those people were faith based. You know, had Lutherans, you had Catholics, you had a lot of people of other different. And a lot of people who weren't faith based and, and A lot of what happened there, and, you know, it's not. It doesn't excuse any of the things that happened there. But a lot of what happened was people stopped. People saw the dignity in the protesters. They were. They felt like Americans. And I think even. Even the president said, wait a minute. That dignity, you can't beat that. People see that. That. That's. Let's, let's, let's. Let's change course here a little bit.
- [49:32]
Charlamagne Tha God
So dignity, us. You want them to go there and what.
- [49:35]
Tim Shriver
I want them to go there. I want them to download the Dignity Index. I want them to. To invite us to come and work with your schools, your school boards. I tell you, that's another place we get a lot of interest because people come to the school board ready for, you know, ready for war. How dare you. You know, they're attacking the school board members. There's been violence. So we, you know, how do we have a discussion about our textbooks? How do we have a discussion about the curriculum without hatred? That's another area where. So we want people to get. Get involved, join the dignity movement, be a part of a movement that's about dignity. I want to have a weekly episode. Doesn't have to be with me, somebody reporting on dignity and contempt. You could do this. I can't pick who would be my choice for reporter on this, but take, like, once a week, take three speeches or three sections of quotes and score them. Let people listen, let people chime in. Let people voice what they. How could you have said this differently? How could you rewrite this tweet that Tim Shriver put out? And, you know, we determined it was, you know, it was so hateful, and let's have a discussion about it. I think people, I think your listeners would really be fascinated because it's. It's. First of all, it's a little bit fun. I mean, we do this all the time with kids. Score this social post, score that one with using this scale we have. And so kids like it. They can score the Gettysburg Address. They can score the I have a Dream speech. They can score Sojourner Truth. They can score George Washington. They can score Thomas Jefferson. They can score the Declaration of Independence. It's fun.
- [51:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, let's score it before you go score this. Right?
- [51:16]
Tim Shriver
Yeah.
- [51:17]
Charlamagne Tha God
This is Brooks Potagire. He's an. What's the word? Evangelical pastor.
- [51:23]
Tim Shriver
Okay.
- [51:23]
Charlamagne Tha God
Who has been described as Pete Hegseth's closest spiritual advisor. He said this. He said, first and foremost, we pray that a man like this would be. Cut to the Heart, he said he puts Talarico in the category of public enemies are those you are not called to love. This is where you have impregnated imprecatory psalms. This is where you pray strongly. The psalmist is not shy. God destroy them, make them his dung on the ground. I pray that God kills him. Talking about James Talarico, the pastor said, ultimately that means killing his heart and raising him up to new life in Christ. How do you rank that?
- [51:58]
Tim Shriver
That's a one. That's as low as it gets.
- [52:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
Zero is not a zero.
- [52:03]
Tim Shriver
That's the lowest it can go.
- [52:05]
Charlamagne Tha God
Your.
- [52:05]
Tim Shriver
Your humanity has. Doesn't matter. You should be destroyed. So that's. That's. That's a one. Now, if that guy was sitting here, he'd give you all the justifications for it, but it's still a one. And he would say something like, that guy started it. You know that. That's dangerous. So, look, I think that's a one. All I can say is there's better ways to make that point. Whatever point he's trying to make, I assume he doesn't like Talarico, because if
- [52:30]
Charlamagne Tha God
you want somebody to die, what's the better way to say it? Oh, my God, you better go to heaven.
- [52:34]
DJ Envy
You.
- [52:37]
Tim Shriver
I wish you a beautiful afterlife
- [52:43]
Charlamagne Tha God
in the. In the.
- [52:44]
Tim Shriver
In with the angels and the saints.
- [52:45]
Charlamagne Tha God
You know, dignity. Us, man. Tim, thank you for joining us.
- [52:49]
DJ Envy
Thank you so much.
- [52:50]
Tim Shriver
Gentlemen, thank you for the Breakfast Club.
- [52:52]
DJ Envy
Good morning.
- [52:53]
Tim Shriver
Good morning.
- [52:55]
Charlamagne Tha God
Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.
- [52:58]
Tim Shriver
The Breakfast Club.
- [53:01]
DJ Envy
Success starts with your drive, and an American public university is here to fuel it. With affordable tuition and over 200 flexible online programs, APU helps you gain the skills and confidence to move forward. Whether you're changing careers, starting fresh, or pursuing a lifelong passion, our programs are designed for people who never stop. You bring the fire. APU will fuel the journey. Learn more at apu, Apus, Edu
- [53:28]
Tim Shriver
and Doug. There's nowhere I wouldn't go to help
- [53:31]
DJ Envy
someone customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual.
- [53:34]
Tim Shriver
Even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show. Hey, everyone, check out this guy and his bird.
- [53:40]
Charlamagne Tha God
What is this, your first date?
- [53:41]
Tim Shriver
Oh, no. We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual. Together.
- [53:45]
DJ Envy
We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird.
- [53:48]
Tim Shriver
Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.
- [53:50]
DJ Envy
Anyways, only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty.
- [53:54]
Tim Shriver
Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.
- [53:57]
Charlamagne Tha God
Peace to the planet Charlamagne. Tha God here. And listen. We are back. The Black Effect Podcast Festival is back. In Atlanta on April 25th at Pullman Yard. Yeah, and the full lineup is nuts. We got the Grits and Eggs podcast, Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat. We got Club 520 with Jeff Teague in the gang. Don't call Me White Girl. Mona will be there. Keep it positive, Sweetie, with Crystal Renee. We got Reality with the King with Carlos King. And yes, Drink champs will be in the building. Plus, you know, we gonna have a lot of guests, so you need to join us. And we got the Black Effect Marketplace, the picture podcast, and everything you expect from the Black Effect Podcast Festival. Tickets are on sale right now. Go get yours@blackffect.com podcast festival. Don't play yourself. Okay, pull up.
- [54:46]
Tim Shriver
Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son? And I'm like, who is this person? Welcome to the boys and girls podcast. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show and you're auditioning for your soulmate. And who's judging? Only your entire family. I sacrificed myself to this ancient tradition, hoping to find love the right way.
- [55:06]
Charlamagne Tha God
Way.
- [55:07]
Tim Shriver
And instead, I found chaos, comedy and a lot of cringe. Listen to boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend. He's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co host of the podcast the Away End. With my old friend Daniel. On our podcast the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important. Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [55:48]
Lauren LaRosa
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.