INTERVIEW: Tiny & Zonnique Talk TV One’s ‘Uncensored’, Xscape, Motherhood, 50 Cent, Biggie + More

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Podcast Summary

The Breakfast Club: Tiny & Zonnique Talk TV One’s ‘Uncensored,’ Xscape, Motherhood, 50 Cent, Biggie + More

Release Date: March 26, 2026
Guests: Tameka 'Tiny' Harris & Zonnique Pullins
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, Lauren LaRosa

Episode Overview

This vibrant episode features R&B legend Tameka 'Tiny' Harris and her daughter Zonnique Pullins in a candid conversation with The Breakfast Club crew. Centered around Tiny’s revealing ‘Uncensored’ episode on TV One (narrated/interviewed by Zonnique herself), the conversation dives deep into family, legacy, the highs and struggles of the music industry, Xscape’s journey, motherhood, industry feuds (notably with 50 Cent and memories tied to Biggie), and how generational shifts in the business and life have reshaped their perspectives. The episode is filled with raw emotion, humor, and behind-the-scenes history.

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Major Discussion Themes & Insights

1. Telling Tiny's Story on ‘Uncensored’

• Mother-daughter Interview Dynamic:
  • Zonnique interviewed Tiny for 'Uncensored,' making the process natural and comfortable.
  • Tiny: “My daughter, she interviewed me, so it was real natural, real good.” (04:00)
• Revelations and Honesty:
  • Tiny reveals she has "never really told [her] story fully" before.
  • She hints at more stories to tell, ideally even envisioning a Bonnie and Clyde movie with T.I (04:24, 34:03).
  • Zonnique felt comfortable asking everything, since she’s always used her mother as a “source” about the 90s, Tupac, and more (03:57).

2. The Biggie Apology & His Passing

• Backstory to Biggie’s Apology:
  • Biggie chased Xscape girls from club to club after his disrespectful verse on “Dreams,” seeking to apologize.
  • Tiny finally accepted his apology, which happened to be the same night he was killed.
  • Tiny: “He apologized. He told me, ‘Y’all are beautiful... I’m ugly my damn self, you know, and I ain't had no business…’” (05:50)
  • The group reflected on how “crazy” it was that this was the last conversation anyone would have with Biggie (05:17).

3. Industry Perceptions, Misconceptions, and Getting Her Flowers

• Tiny shared that people get a lot about her “completely wrong” due to rumors and narratives:
  • Tiny: “I really don’t give a damn… there’s so much being said… I am really not keeping up with it.” (06:58)
• 'Uncensored' was an opportunity to claim her narrative:
  • “It gave me a chance to let them know who I am… give my story and my truth…” (07:33)
• Zonnique cherishing seeing her mom “finally” get her flowers:
  • Zonnique: “She’s overly deserving… I think she just recently received… and I was like, you’ve been supposed to receiving those flowers.” (11:59)

4. Motherhood, Regret, and Family Evolution

• Sacrifices of Touring:
  • Tiny regrets not always being there for Zanique during touring days but feels adult understanding and closeness heal old wounds.
  • Tiny: “Whatever happened then, we made up for it later on.” (13:22)
• Blended Families and Grandparenting:
  • The early blending of families with T.I. was “not that easy” (other moms, boundaries, and placements), but it improved over time (16:11).
  • Zonnique: “Absolutely [grandparents treat grandkids different]… she’s just so soft now, but back when it was me and King, oh, we’s getting it.” (15:12)
  • Tiny: “King was a badass child!” (15:48)

5. Generational Music Industry Battles

• Discussed the tough early industry treatment of Xscape and why her children entered the business.
  • Tiny says she “pushed [Zonnique] a little bit” into music due to recognizing her potential (08:15).
• Writing “No Scrubs” for TLC:
  • She and Kandi knew it was a hit but realized TLC’s machinery would push it to greater heights.
  • Tiny: “I felt like this is a hit record… but… this would be our first big record on a placement on another group.” (09:48)
  • Still “eating off that record” and royalties, including from “No Pigeons.” (10:34)
  • Charlamagne: “Are the checks still chunky, though?”
    Tiny: “The checks are still nice, and it gets bigger… TLC going to go on tour, they going to get even bigger.” (11:16)

6. Social Media, Parenting, and The 50 Cent Situation

• Modern parental anxiety is amplified by social media when kids are public figures, especially for King (the “edgy” child who raps):
  • “Everything my kids do now is very… amplified.” (19:10)
• On King and Damani’s online feud with 50 Cent:
  • Tiny was proud they defended her, but tried to get King to take posts down.
  • Tiny: “I kept calling King, take this down. He was like, no, I can’t, mama…” (19:38)
  • Felt 50 Cent should have “kept the beef with the man you was dealing with… Y’all beef, right?” (22:06)

7. Handling Online Attacks and Public Scrutiny

• Both Tiny and Zonnique are seasoned with online criticism:
  • Tiny: “I just don’t [let criticism get to me]… why am I saying something when I really don’t give a damn?”
  • Zonnique: “I can’t beat the whole Internet… I comment here and there… but I just try not to feel no way because she [Tiny] don’t.” (22:42)

8. Xscape Dynamics & Splits

• On group splits and member dynamics:
  • There’s no jealousy about fame; Tiny and Kandi were more recognizable and comfortable with it.
  • Current status: Latasha is not with the group, and there’s not regular communication.
  • “We just separated, parted ways… We could not work with… how she wanted to work” (32:23)
  • The Scott sisters always acted as a unit, leading to "two against two" tension. A memorable moment was them arriving at a meeting with identical hairstyles—signaling to Tiny and Kandi the alliance was strong (30:27).
• On telling their own story:
  • They actively moved to control the Xscape biopic after Jermaine Dupri considered doing it without the group (44:34).

9. Love, Independence, and the T.I. Relationship Arc

• Tiny shares how she went from not liking a young T.I. to being charmed by his “hoodness,” accent, and persistence (36:17).
• T.I. did not want her to work, leading to tension; ultimately, Tiny reclaimed her independence, which temporarily broke them up.
  • “I had to real back … This is why you like me, because I was doing something, I was somebody.” (39:59)
• She insists, “If I’m not going to be anywhere I’m not wanted, I’m going to go.” (41:44)

10. Motherhood vs. Career in the Music Industry

• Jermaine Dupri once told Tiny she shouldn’t have her baby if she wanted to stay in Xscape:
  • Tiny explains this was a sign of the era, where a baby could “end a career.”
  • But ultimately, she was able to have both—a successful career and her first child (42:38, 44:18).

11. Editing Choices for ‘Uncensored’ & Family Dynamics

• Zonnique was conscious about candidness—at times worried about how much was revealed, but felt comfortable with her mother’s openness (47:07).
• Some details about her biological father were included, but as Zonnique put it, “she’s married now—stuff like that stir up stuff for no reason” (48:19).
• Zonnique’s narration and interviewing are praised by both Tiny and the TV One producers (48:33).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Industry Rumors:

  • “I really don’t give a damn… there’s so much being said… I am really not keeping up with it.” — Tiny (06:58)

• On Writing “No Scrubs”:

  • “I felt like this is a hit record… but… this would be our first big record on a placement on another group.” — Tiny (09:48)

• On Parenting, Generational Change:

  • “Grandparents treat the grandchildren differently than they treated you?”
    “Absolutely… she’s just so soft now, but back when it was me and King, oh, we’s getting it.”
    — Charlamagne Tha God & Zonnique (15:12)

• On T.I. not wanting her to work:

  • “You just stuck here… you don’t have nowhere to go, you just got to be there when they get back… I’m used to running things, getting up, moving when I want...I had to real back, get back into who I am.” — Tiny (38:23-39:59)

• On Online Hate and Criticism:

  • “I just, I, I just don’t [let criticism get to me]… why am I saying something when I really don’t give a damn?” — Tiny (23:33)

• On 50 Cent Drama:

  • “You should have kept the beef with the man you was dealing with… Who goes after the woman? That’s crazy.” — Tiny (22:06)

• On Storytelling:

  • “We are leaving a legacy for our children. We don’t want somebody else to be able to tell our story and we have nothing to do with it.” — Tiny (45:00)

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Key Timestamps

• 04:00 – Tiny and Zonnique describe the natural feel of the 'Uncensored' interview
• 05:00-06:29 – Biggie’s apology and the night he died
• 07:33 – Tiny on finally getting to claim her own narrative
• 09:48-11:16 – “No Scrubs” story; songwriting, royalties, “No Pigeons”
• 13:22-14:18 – Mother-daughter reflections on sacrifice and understanding
• 15:12 – Grandparenting versus parenting
• 19:38-22:06 – 50 Cent beef, kids defending their mom, and reactions
• 22:42, 23:33 – Dealing with social media negativity, online hate
• 28:53-30:27 – Group fame, recognition, and Xscape’s internal splits
• 36:17-41:44 – Falling for T.I., independence, relationship struggles
• 42:35-44:18 – Jermaine Dupri, music industry and motherhood taboo
• 44:34-45:00 – Xscape taking control of their biopic
• 47:07-48:41 – Editing ‘Uncensored’ and family privacy

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Tone & Atmosphere

Lively, unfiltered, and intimate—the episode is a blend of laughter, vulnerability, and "grown woman" wisdom. Both Tiny and Zonnique bring honesty and warmth, seldom shying away from difficult topics. The Breakfast Club hosts balance humor, nostalgia, and thoughtful questioning, keeping the conversation fast-paced but substantial.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a nuanced view into the life and legacy of Tiny (and by extension, her family and group). It’s not just an exposé of industry secrets but a heartfelt exploration of generational change, resilience, maternal love, and the enduring power of owning your narrative. Listeners step behind the curtain of stardom to see the personal costs, joys, and strength it takes to thrive in the spotlight—then and now.

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[Podcast Narrator]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Every day I wake up.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Wake your ass up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

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[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

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[DJ Envy]

It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne. Th guy.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

We are the Breakfast Club. Lon Larose is here as well. We got some special guests in the building.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yes, indeed.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

A new episode of Uncensored is out right now.

[DJ Envy]

And boy, oh boy, Tiny's giving it all.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Boy, that was so good. But we're going to talk about it.

[DJ Envy]

We have Tiny and Zonique here.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Welcome, ladies.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Thank you.

[Zonnique Pullins]

It's okay.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

I'm sorry, Z.

[Zonnique Pullins]

It's okay.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Welcome, ladies.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

How y' all feeling?

[Zonnique Pullins]

Pretty good. How you guys doing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bless Black and Holly. Favorite. Was that episode hard to do?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

No, it was. Why you say that? No, it was good. It was good. My, my daughter, she interviewed me, so it was real natural, real good.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Did you know everything before that or. So with some of those questions and answers, like, wow.

[Zonnique Pullins]

So I pretty much know everything about her. I call her like my, my source. I, I ask her all about her life, all the time. I'm like, baby, what was going on in the 90s, like what Tupac was doing, what this was going, like that ain't that whole. She was around these people. So it's just like what was going on, girl. So I felt like I definitely knew everything. I was asking.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

I mean, there was so many things that, that I learned and I guess was revealed. Why was this the time to do it now?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I mean, it's been so long, I have never told my story. I mean, I still got a lot more to tell. I mean, I really need to, you know, do like a Bunny and Clyde type movie, but, you know, with my husband. But it's so much to tell. But I got a lot of that out in that hour long show.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

There was so much that, you know, I didn't know. I thought I knew everything. You hear all the stories over and over and over again. And I'll just start from the Biggie situation. Right when Biggie did that verse, which was disrespectful, I didn't know Biggie was pretty much chasing y' all to apologize from club to club. Like, I just wanna apologize to y'.

[Zonnique Pullins]

All.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, he really was. And, I mean, the girls just wasn't having it. He's like. Jermaine was like, yeah, he's out at the show. And he's like, nah, he can't come in here. So, you know. Yeah, he was. But it was cool, you know, to get to speak to him before, you know, he passed.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

And that was another thing.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

That same night.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Yeah. The night he apologized finally to Tiny, the night he finally.

[DJ Envy]

Tiny accepted to take his apology and

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

go sit with him and talk to was also the night that he passed away, which was. Which is crazy.

[DJ Envy]

I never knew that at all.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

So how was that experience? Break that down, because that was the first time y' all spoke since.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, and. And. And when they came over and they told us, because me and Candy was the only one at the party came to say, I'm not going over there, talk to his ass. And I was like, I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna go see what he talking about. So I went over there, you know, he was really nice, and he apologized. He told me, I'm. You know, y'.

[DJ Envy]

All.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Y' all are beautiful. And, you know, I'm. I'm.

[Interviewer]

I'm.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I'm ugly my damn self, you know, and I ain't had no business, you know, he was just being nice and he was talking.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Did you curse him out? No, not at all. I didn't. He didn't even. He didn't leave any room for me to curse him out.

[Interviewer]

Did you go back over to the section and tell Candy, like, yo, he was actually cool?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, I did. And then, you know, right after that, we left, she was like, oh. She was like, cool. But after that, when he passed, when we heard, like, oh, the shooting happened, and, you know, she's like, dang, I wish I. I kind of wish I would have said so. I would have went over there, you know? So, yeah, when he.

[Interviewer/Host]

When he was apologizing and having a conversation with you, was there any conversations about y' all working together potentially at all?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

No, we didn't go that far. It didn't get that far. He just was basically telling us he loved our work, he loved our music. You know, he did give us our props. You know,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

when you look at your whole journey right Tiny, from Escape to now, what part of your story do you feel people have gotten completely wrong?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

You said, what part of my story

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what now people have gotten completely wrong?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

You know, I don't know, I just, I don't really know what they got because they say so much, you know what I'm saying? I really don't give a damn, you know what I'm saying? Not, not that much, you know, I don't know. Can I. Yeah, feel free, do your thing. I really don't care, you know, so much because it's so much being said, you know what I'm so, I don't really know what part of the story they, they, they feel they have or they know honestly, because I am really keeping up with it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you feel like uncensored finally gave you the chance to like correct the narrative about who you are, being that some people got so many different stories?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Well, I think it definitely gave me a chance to let them know who I am and give my story and my truth, you know what I'm saying, then for them to hear it from me and instead of, I guess, you know, guessing or you know, speaking, not knowing or talking or saying what somebody else may have said or what they think, you know what I'm saying. So they was able to get and hear it from me personally.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Now with the industry being so tough on you guys early on, how did y' all ever want your kids to be in this industry? Because they damn near beat y' all up. They banned y' all from radio stations. Like they did so much to y' all on a come up as a new group. Why, like, why would you even say, you know what, my kids could be in this crazy ass industry?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I, I, I honestly they just fell into it, you know what I'm saying? I didn't. Well, this one, I kind of pushed her a little bit, but I just seen her potential and I was just like, hey. And I kind of wanted to do a girl group anyway. I kind of felt like I, I kind of know what, you know, what a girl group needs to look like, what it needs to sound like. And I just was, you know, really wanted to focus in on that. I think, well, Escape. What we still together, we wouldn't stay together, right? Escape. We had kind of broke up. So at that point I'm like, yeah, let me make my own group, you know what I'm saying? And I seen my daughter had the potential and I just like, why not keep it in the family? But my, the rest of the kids, they just Kind of fell into it, you know, King was singing at first, you know what I'm saying? King got a little voice on him I cannot imagine. When he was little, he used to be singing. I was like, you can sing. And I thought he was gonna be a singer. And he started rapping. I'm like, what are you doing rapping? Why are you rapping? He's like, nah, I ain't trying to sing. I'm like, but you can sing, though. So, you know, he just. He. He wasn't trying to hear that singing stuff. I'm like, the singers get all the girls. Like, yeah, nah, not for me.

[Interviewer]

I wanted to ask you about when you and Candy wrote tlc. No Scrubs, right? You guys weren't in the band. This was like. I think it's the first time y' all had this band. Why didn't y' all keep the single for yourself rather than writing it for tlc?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Ma', am, be honest. I. I can't. I wanted to because I felt like this is a. This is a hit record.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

You knew it was.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, I knew it was a hit record. And I'm like, man, this is our. This gonna be our break, you know? And then we just had to put all that to the side and really realize tlc, though, like, this would be our first big record on a placement on another group. Somebody that's really big and they have a big machine that's really supporters that's pushing them. So we just went on and, you know, the producers looking at us like, man, what. What y' all trying to do? Like, Shakespeare. Like, man, please. So we like, yeah, all right, go ahead, give it to him.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Do you still get paid off that record?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

These two secret visuals. I'm still living, eating off that record. That record has transpired from. It has went from Sharon and so many other different big artists have used. Even what's my girl? The rapper girl, she used.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

And what's this? Okay, She. She used it. We got paid off. That also did Pete song she had. I'mma come up with it in a minute. I want to be disrespectful because that. Y' all know I like. She's big.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are the checks still chunky, though, Like.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

And that the chicks are still nice. And it gets bigger. They get. They go down and then they get bigger, you know what I'm saying? Because. And TLC going to go on tour, they going to get even bigger, you know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

And is it true that y' all

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

get all royalties from no pigeons because

[DJ Envy]

they took it without getting cleared.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yep. We gave no pigeons too.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

So that was the number one record.

[DJ Envy]

And I heard that y' all took

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

a hundred percent of the royalties, publishing and everything in that record.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, we did. I think we did. I. I think we did. I know we're getting paid off of it for sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

Zanique, is it ever for you, like, when you're. I mean, I know you said you've heard all these stories from your mom already, but when you're watching her talking like, you know, people are getting to learn her story, is it surreal for you to watch people give your mom her flowers?

[Zonnique Pullins]

I. I really just enjoy watching people give her her flowers. I think that she's overly deserving of her flowers, and she also doesn't get them a lot. I think that she just recently, like, received a bunch of flowers, and I was like, baby, you've been supposed to receiving those flowers. But I'm extremely excited to see her receive flowers every time that she does for sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did during the uncensored episode, change how you see your mom in any way?

[Zonnique Pullins]

I wouldn't say. I want to say that. I want to say the nice answer, but no, I wouldn't say so. Like, me and my mom are best friends. We talk on the phone for hours. I'm her favorite child. She told me today King is her favorite child.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I did not say that. Who's the favorite child? Yeah, they all are my favorite at different times.

[Zonnique Pullins]

So, yeah, I mean, I think that I just put her on the top pedestal, so.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

But she knows me like a book. She knows how to talk like me. She knows how to finish my sentence. You know, she knows me like a book.

[Interviewer/Host]

Y' all grew up together in essence.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like you talked about.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know what I mean?

[Interviewer/Host]

Like, you were figuring a lot out with Zanique very young. And in documentary, you talk about, you know, how earlier days when you were on the road with Escape, how you kind of regretted kind of not being. There are a lot for your older children. Like, what are those conversations with you and Zique now as you look back on that?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Well, now she kind of. She. She understands a little more because she's a mom herself, so she sees, like, you know, the difference and having to be gone and being trying to get back to your kids. She's like, dang, okay, I understand a little bit more now. Cuz she. She's doing the same thing with her kids. She's on the road, she's moving. She's. You know what I'M saying, trying to keep the time in. But I can just say that, you know, even still, you know, we've had those gaps. We are so close. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, whatever happened then, we made up for it later on.

[Interviewer]

And I actually heard you, Zanique, you sat down with Reginae and you was talking about that. You actually said that out your mob. You were like, yeah. You understand what your mom had to go through, leaving y' all at such young ages to go and pursue her career? Because now you have your baby and you on the road. How does that affect. Affect you? Because you and your daughter are really close, like, best friends.

[Zonnique Pullins]

We were just talking about that. Like, I go crazy when I be away from my child for a long time, but I think that just having a kid just affected me in the most way. Like, I'm a totally different person. I show so much more grace to my mom. Cause I'm like, other than working and having a kid, like, wanting to play and have a kid, like, I don't. I can't go outside like I used to. And my mama is, you know, the best honey. But she's a working honey. Her grandma name is Honey. She won't. She won't be called grandma. But she's always, you know, still working and going. So it's like, I don't have that. I don't have those babysitters,

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

but, you

[Zonnique Pullins]

know, they definitely help. But it's. Being a mom has just changed me in so many different ways.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me ask you questions. I need the grandparents. Is it true that grandparents treat the grandchildren differently than they treated you?

[Zonnique Pullins]

Absolutely, I would say.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Really?

[Zonnique Pullins]

Huh. Huh. And the fact that she has a kid, that's. I mean, her and my kid aren't that. That far apart in age. Eris and Hunter. So we always joke about, like, how different she is. Like, with Eris, opposed to, like, us and King, like, she's just so soft now, and. Oh, Eris, it's okay. It's like she talked to Eris, but back when it was me and King, like, oh, we's getting it. Like, it's. It's a difference. Like, she's, you know, I guess. But as a. Now that I'm a parent, I can understand, like, watching her grow, not only as a person, but as a parent as well. It's like she goes through different stages.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah. You know, you don't have no rule book, but King was a badass child. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I feel like, we saw some of it.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm sure not as much as y' all did, but we saw some of

[Interviewer/Host]

it on those masks.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

He was something.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. But he has so much personality. When he was younger, you talk about. You talk a lot about that as well, and you also talk a little bit about, like, blended families when you and Tip met each other, and how it wasn't that easy.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, first. Yeah, it was.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Expand a little bit. Just a little bit on it. Why you think it wasn't that easy? Was it the other moms or.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I mean, because, yeah, you got to. You got to deal with the other moms. You got to respect, you know, the boundaries at some point, you know, to some degree also. And then you got to also run your house. So it's. You know, but I didn't have. It was just, you know, in the. In the beginning was issues, you know, I'm saying, just trying to cope with having a woman in the house where now this is what it is, you know, and we eventually got over that, and everything was great. You know, never any issues, really, with the kids so much. Just, you know, just trying to figure out placements and everything with the moms and everything. So, yeah, we have issues, but.

[DJ Envy]

No, I'm sorry.

[Zonnique Pullins]

I was just gonna say we didn't really have issues, but, like, I didn't really care for them at first. I'm just gonna go ahead and put

[Lauren LaRosa]

that out there as, like.

[Zonnique Pullins]

As a step. As a. I mean, I was the oldest, and I was, like, an only kid, and then I had to share all my stuff out of nowhere. And now my mama had just got

[Lauren LaRosa]

me that GameCube, and I had to

[Zonnique Pullins]

share with Messiah and the money, and they wanted to play all the time. I was like, oh, I don't know about this for sure, but, yeah, we do. Really quick, though, you know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, as a parent, you know, we all have, like, parental paranoia, right? Just the regular anxiety that comes with being a parent is that multiplied when your kids are in the spotlight.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. And. And not so much. I'm really worried about her. I mean, because she, you know, they. They grew up in it. They were young. They started very young when it. In it. And, you know, I always, you know, told them, we got to learn the business, this and that. So they were kind of like, I put them through everything. They put them through, really, artist development. But when it comes to, like. And so. So the money, his. His thing is very mellow, you know, I'm saying it's Cool. He don't really go outside the box of being aggressive lately. He has. But that's. That's very new to me. You know what I'm saying? But so I. You know, I don't really. But it's just King, because he's on the. He's the edgy street, and he's always, you know, and he raps about his life and. And it's real talk. But I don't. I don't like it so much because, you know, to me, I feel like it's a danger in there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But don't it feel kind of like deja vu? Because the tip.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yes, and I seen tip. I seen tip. Worked through it, and he. He had those same kind of battles, but he worked through it. But in. In that process, he had a lot of. That went on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

You know what I'm saying? He had deaths. He had, you know, deaths around him. He had fights. He had all kinds of stuff. Running. Running from the police. All kinds of stuff.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

You know, but it wasn't online, too, though. They said it wasn't online. It wasn't on social media.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

It wasn't online. Yes, exactly. So, you know, everything my kids do now is very, you know, it's called. It's amplified.

[Interviewer/Host]

We recently saw you talk about Damani being, you know, edgy King. We saw their responses with the whole 50 Cent situation, and I heard TI say how he didn't like to see them do that. How did you feel when you saw Damani and King hopping online to defend you with 50 Cent?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

You know, I felt that, you know, it was a, you know, proud moment that they want to speak up for their mom, but. And. And I felt like the songs was really good, especially the money. When he went in with the Ms. Jackson, I was like, dang. What did this come from? Amazing. So. But King, you know, my son, and he. He's very. He took it very personal, and he just was, like, going so far. And I kept calling king, take this down. Take this down right now. He was like, no, I can't, mama. And I'm like, what? And I just couldn't get him to listen to me. Like, he's like, nah. I mean, I was like, listen, this child ain't had nothing to do with nothing. He. He said, and you didn't have nothing to do with nothing. So I was like, okay, you know, because then I see something else. Can you please take the video down with the shirt on? He's like, nah, I can't. So I couldn't get him To. He wouldn't listen. But I was texting him, calling him. He was like, yeah, no, you. You know, I got this, Mom. You're just gonna have to stay down because, you know, you were. You were not. You should not have been dragged in this.

[Interviewer]

You should not.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

He was like, you know, I could have said. I could have said something about, you know, I. I know he loves his grandmama, but he didn't talk about my grandma, so I didn't talk about his grandma. So, you know, I was like, okay, I can't. I can't control this kid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you are dragged into those things, how did that personally make you feel?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

And I really didn't give a damn. You know what I'm saying? I'm just like, I. I had already told my assistant, I said, he's gonna bring me in this. I already told him that. And he was like, why you say that? I said, watch. And right after that.

[DJ Envy]

Can you fix your mama eyelash right there? You said, I was gonna tell her

[Charlamagne Tha God]

just give me the eyelash

[Interviewer]

that come off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Off.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You could have let her finish a

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

interrupted you friend.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, Lord.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what that was about. Internet, YouTube. The people still watching us on YouTube.

[DJ Envy]

No, cuz she

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

was tearing. I was.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You feel like it was a part of the game.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

There you go.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, I already knew it was coming, you know, but any camera, so I was expecting it. Nobody else, I don't think was expecting it. So. Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And in feeling like that, do you

[Interviewer/Host]

feel like 50 Cent went too far or do you. Is it like.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I mean, I feel like you should have kept the beef with the man you was dealing with. You know what I'm saying? Why is you bringing his woman into it? Because you are dealing with a man. You a man. You're dealing with the man. Deal with the man. You ain't got nothing to do with me. I ain't got nothing to do with this. Like, who goes after the woman? That's crazy. Regardless of whatever you thought, it's crazy. You should be dealing with the man. This. Y' all beef, right? Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How does that feel for you when you see people coming at your mother?

[Zonnique Pullins]

You know what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just in general, though, and.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Oh, in general. No, I mean, in general, it definitely makes me feel away a lot of times because I'm, like, chronically online. Like, I'm on there a lot, but, like, I've had times where I've spoken out, and a lot of times I regret it. I'm just like, I can't beat the whole Internet. Like, yeah, so I've just like, I comment, you know, here and there. I'm definitely gonna hit him with a little comment and say like, if you see, you'll see me in the comments. But I don't say much, you know, I'm, I stepped back from like speaking out every time. I just feel like people like have just love to attack my mom. I don't know what that's about, but it happens so much and it's like, I'd rather just kind of stay out of it and just try not to feel no way. Because she don't never feel no way.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Oh yeah, I was gonna ask. Cause you, you've been attacked since the group first came out.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

So how do you deal with that from then? Was it one of those things that just like, yeah, it is what it is. How do you not get it personal with it?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I just, I, I just don't. I mean, sometimes, like I used to get on there and I say little stuff, you know, if I felt like, you know, they were just totally off with it, you know what I'm saying? I may say it, whatever, whatever. And then I got to the point like, why am I talking like, why am I saying something like, because I really don't give a damn. You know what I'm saying?

[DJ Envy]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Just go through the comments sometimes. Every now and then, like when I see stuff about my kids, I might feel a. Feel away. And I be wanting to type, typing. I'm typing stuff, and they be like, don't say nothing. I'm like, what they saying such. And you know, I just type paragraphs. I will, I will. Then I have to erase it. Or I just say, I'm just not going to put it up because what does it mean? You know, why does it matter? You know, you give the people with the. That knows, the less, you know, why would I give them the most, you know what I'm saying? Most attention or when I know they don't really know, you know what I'm saying?

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Now also, you know, during the doc, well, the. The episode, you talk about how you were the. The recognizable person of escape at first, and you were the one that couldn't go to the mall and you were the one that couldn't go out. Was there any jealousy back then about that? Because you were.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I don't think so. I don't think so. Like candy. She loved the fact that she could go places and nobody know her. She loved that and them because she was like, I'm. I'm stopped going places with you because now they know who I am. She liked moving around and nobody know her and nobody. And you know, Tasha was very recognizable as well. So I don't think it was any jealousy with that or not with that part.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Still don't speak, right?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Well, no, we don't speak. I still got a little fatasha, but we don't speak because I am, you know, I'm over here. You know what I'm saying? So I just try to keep it clean.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

So on tour, y' all don't speak of nothing when y' all Go out.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Well, she's not on tour. You know, she's not with the group right now. She's not with the group. So we just. You know, I just. We parted ways, and I just. I don't want to go back and forth. I don't want to be. You know what I'm saying? It's just messy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can it be reconciled, maybe?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

You know, never say never.

[Interviewer]

Earlier in the Xscape days, right, I noticed you talked about, like, how the sisters were. Latasha and Tamika. They were very in sync. Like, couldn't make a decision individually. They were always doing things together. Did you ever feel like it was, like, a strain on that, like, two against two?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yes, definitely. It was always. It was. It was a headache. I ain't gonna lie, you know, because whether they were wrong or right to me and. And not. And most of the time, it was like, just Tamika going, she may know that it's not the right thing, but she's just like, oh, that's my sister. So, yeah, I'm going over here.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

And, like, you know, like, it was a time when we had decided. Tasha was like, I'm going solo. And we had cat with Tamika and was like, hey, we're just gonna go on without her. We're gonna go to Jermaine, and we're gonna tell Jermaine this. What we doing. You know what I'm saying? So we get to the meeting. Tasha's there. First of all, when she. When they got there, me and Candy knew we was in trouble because they came in there with the same hair. They had black hair with a streak of gray in their hair in different ways, but they had the same hair. I'll say, oh, yeah. We got in that meeting, and we like, yeah, we challenge your man. Yeah. So we. We trying to go. She going solo. We trying to do the group with, you know, just the three. So he like, yeah, yeah, I think y' all can do that. And to me, it was like, well, I don't think we can do it without her. And. And we're, like, looking at her like, what. How did this happen? You know what I'm saying? We would just, you know, she was like, yeah, I think we should wait on my sister and. Blase, blase. And we like, to. Mika, we just had this conversation. We had this whole meeting set up, and you gonna come in here and say you don't think we can go on without her? We were so. Just devastated, like, disgusted. Like, how did she just flip on us? But, you know, she got with her sister and, you know, they talked her into. No, you, you know, just wait on your sister. It's your sister, you know what I'm saying? And that's what she did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how'd you kick her out this time?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Well, we didn't kick her out. Let's just. Let's, you know, clear that up. We just separated. We parted ways because we couldn't, I guess, the business wise, we could not work with, you know, how she wanted to work. She has her fiance, her husband, who basically does all her work, and you know, the other girls. And I didn't want to work with him because of past things that did not go well and were not up to par. So, you know, we had came up with, hey, we gotta keep him out the business and we can get a new management. But that still didn't work, you know what I'm saying? We tried that and he, you know, it was still. The management took to him. He like, like I said, he has to give the gap, like, you know what I'm saying? He's a cool dude. So they took to him. They were talking to him a lot, and even though they were the face, they were telling us, we knew what was behind that, you know what I'm saying? So it was just like, it's just not working. And, you know, in order to. For us, we just got to move on without you, you know what I'm saying? And it took, you know, it was a. It was a hard decision, but we had to make it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Where's Tasha and Tamika's relationship now? Like, I know they were trying to rekindle a little bit or like, where did they leave off with that?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I mean, I. I don't really want to speak on where their relationship is because I don't really know. I don't. I don't. I mean, I talked to Tamika all the time and I don't. She never really speaks about, you know, oh, she was with her sister or they was talking like. So I don't know if the. Is much of a relationship. I don't know, you know, but possibly could be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said something earlier I thought was. Though you said you got a lot more of your story to tell, so you have to do like a Bonnie and Clyde type thing. And it's. It's funny, right? Because I love that because it shows how y' all move as a unit always.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it even possible to tell your story without tip because you got a lot of your own accomplishments?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, I think it is. Possible to tell, but I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe not. Yeah, maybe not. Because, you know, he's a very big, intricate part of my story, so probably not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How does it feel to see him with a new hit record after all these years? Man, Record let him know, like, amazing.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

And, I mean, to be honest, like, he has a whole album of that. Like, M is crazy. Like, but he won't stop making songs, and he keeps making more big songs. I'm like, you are never gonna be able to put however many songs on this album because you got a hundred great songs, and you keep. Every day he's going back in, he's making more songs. I'm like, you know, we. Me. He was supposed to be making money. It ain't. It ain't gonna make it. You keep making all these big old songs. Like, yeah, like, man, get out of here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Are y' all enjoying this moment more? Because. And the reason I asked that, because, you know, I don't know if people remember, there was a time with TI Was the biggest artist in the world, period. Did y' all in. Did y' all enjoy that moment then? Are you enjoying it more now? You're more present for it now.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I think we're enjoying it more now because. And, you know, he's independent, and he's just doing everything his way. And back then, it was just so much ripping and running, ripping and running. And now he's like, yeah, you know, he's very much in control of everything he's doing. Not to say that he wasn't then, but, you know, with the label, they kind of like, they have you going. So, you know, to see him do it without a label is amazing. I think it's a great accomplishment.

[Interviewer]

How did he end up making you fall for him? Because at first, you did not like him. Like, you said, he was young, he was getting on your nerves. He was just like, what this little boy want? You know? And then you ended up going to a show. But what actually really made you fall for him?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

He was sweet. He was nice. He was. He. You know, he was. You know, he was cool. He was. He was. I like the hoodness in him. I loved his talk. I loved his. His Twain. His accent was very heavy. Like, he don't really have that X. I always say that. Like, where's your. Where's the accent from? Listen to his first album versus Now. Like, he's very worldly now. And, I mean, I get it because he's been all around the world, but I still love that accent. That he had. But, you know, it was cute. He was young and he. I don't know, he just. He wouldn't stop, honestly. You know, he was really pressing. And I just kind of. When I. Honestly, when I saw the show, I was like, yo, these people like this guy and they. They knew everywhere in the place. I don't know if you ever been to the Bankhead Banking Bounce, but it's a. Now it's called the bank. And, you know, you might be in there, but it's huge. It was full of people and they were saying it everywhere. I didn't know one song. I. I mean, I. I heard of him through. I had went and met with kp. I don't know, y' all know. Yeah. And KP was like. I was playing him. So I went to go play him some records that I was writing and stuff. And he was like, hey, I got this kid that I'm working on. He was like, let me let you hear some of this stuff. And he played me some of the stuff. I was like, dope. You know what I'm saying? Then later I put the two together. So. Yeah, but I. I didn't know. I didn't know his music. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What era was this? Was this dope Boys in the trap. Fanny popping, number one. Do it, baby, Sticky baby. That was that era.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And then you went from not liking him at all to him, so you falling for him. And then you said he didn't want you to work. And you being who you are and who you were at that time, you're like, nah. Cause I got responsibilities. I got my family. I take care of my mother and all them. And he like, I'mma do that for you. Yeah, but you let it happen. But then you said it kind of hurt you a little bit, too.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah. It wasn't the smartest thing. It was cool. Cause he was showering me. He paid. Paid off my mama house. He did a lot of things. He gave. You know, I had cars, I had whatever I wanted. But, you know, now that came with a price. You know what I'm saying? It's like, okay. Because now when they want to go do whatever they want to do, you just stuck here like, ah, okay. And then you don't have nowhere to go. You just got to be there when they get back. Like, I ain't like that. I was like, nah, this ain't for me. This ain't who I am. I am. I'm used to running things, getting up, moving when I want to, like, because I make my own money, you know, So I had to. I had to real back, you know, get back into who I am, you know what I'm saying? And going on because, you know, and. And that took. That broke us up. He was like, yeah, you. You gonna do that? I can't have it, right? Well, forget it. I'm going, you know, but it didn't work out right. It had to come back. But then when I came back, I was still like, yeah, I'm still going to work on something, get me some money, right? And I did.

[Interviewer]

How did y'.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

All? Got me a TV show.

[Interviewer]

Nice.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

How did y' all get to that point? Like, what. What was the work he had to do to. To really get you back committed? Like, all right, I told you, I'm not gonna let you take care of me. I'm gonna be independent. But what were the things that he had to work on for you to be comfortable enough to come back?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just take the eyelash off.

[Interviewer]

No, she can't do it. They not set up like that. No, no, it is not coming off because your ey.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

It was running before I got in here. I know it was going to be doing all this, but when something just, you know, adapting to me, getting back into, you know, into who I was, you know, and I. You know, I had to let him know, like, I was, you know, this is who. This why you like me. You know what I'm saying? Because I was doing something. I was somebody. And so you taking. If I take that away, if I let you, you know, I'm saying, dummy that down. I'm not gonna be able to be the person you want me to be for real, you know, and eventually. And it took. That took. That took a minute, too, for him to kind of get used to it, because, you know, he's. You know, he's like, he won't take care of everything. He want to be the man and everything. And I. And I had to find a way to let him still do that, but also be able to do me right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But then ultimately, you become, like, you kind of step. I don't want to say step into your ultimate role, but that's what it'd be feeling like. You know, you see your woman become such an amazing wife, mother of the children, CEO of the house. Like, yeah, that's the most important role that a person could play in a man's life, I think.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, true. And, you know, you start making these babies, I guess he had to say, like, yeah, you know, he said he could See different things. And I. I just had to have it, like, at the end of the day, I had. I had to have that for me, right?

[Interviewer/Host]

And you talk about, when you talked about, you know, having to have something for yourself and then going back to the group and figuring that out, the tough times and like, then you get into, you know, when. The times when you said, I'm not doing this anymore. Because he wasn't fighting for the relationship.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But you don't really say, like, what

[Interviewer/Host]

did you want his fight to look like? Like, what was he not doing that made you say imma file for divorce?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

He wasn't, you know, acting like he wanted to be there. And I don't if I'm not gonna be anywhere I'm not wanted, you know what I'm saying? So if you not. And I. And I know what that feels like because he's. He's a very affectionate person, you know what I'm saying? He's a Libra. So he knows how to get, you know, saying he knows how to get that out there. So when I. When I seen that, it wasn't that, I was like, yeah, it's time to go, you know that. And, you know, if I kept trying, like, you know, putting it out there a little bit and he's shutting the door on it. Nah, I gotta go, you know what I'm saying? Because I. I just ain't. I ain't trying to be nobody. I'm not wanting.

[Interviewer/Host]

There was another part in the. In the documentary too, talking about, like, the babies in the family where you talked about Jermaine Dupree telling you that you shouldn't have your baby when you were pregnant and you decided to.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

That one hurt. That was when I seen that one.

[Interviewer/Host]

That one hurt.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I mean, you know, and I. I guess I think in the music industry, he was just being, you know, the. The producer and the. The guy, the hit the lead, the head over. What, you know, is. Back in the day was kind of like, it was taboo. Like, you know, you have a baby, your career is over. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, in his defense, we hadn't. We hadn't even started yet. We had. Mate created this album, and then, you know, we hadn't put anything out. So it's like, oh, you can't have no baby now. We about to put an album out, you know what I'm saying? And I. And I didn't have the girls was like, yeah, well, that's what he said, you know, and that. So I didn't really have much of a fight there.

[DJ Envy]

I was like, then when your band members have one right after. And she had the baby.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

She did. She did. She had one right after. And I promise you, I was, like, trying to get pregnant daily after that. I'm like, I'm having me a baby.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

And. And then right after that, I got a little bit after that, I did get pregnant.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Zonnique Pullins]

That was not a mistake.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

It was a blessing in disguise, because if I would have had that baby, I wouldn't have had this baby. So, you know. Yeah.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Did you ever have a conversation with JD about that? Like, did it hurt you? Did it bother you?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

No, I'm gonna be honest. I didn't. I mean, I wanted that baby, but it didn't hurt me so much because I was young and I didn't really understand as much. And I did make a. A healthy career. And then I had. And then I went and had a baby.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

You know, so I. I was able to get both. You know, I was able to have a career that took me, you know, basically made my dreams come true. And then I had my first child.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jermaine was trying to do a movie about escape without y'. All.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Right. Unfortunately, yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I feel like that would have been a tougher conversation.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

And, you know, I don't know if we had much of a company. We did, like, a little bit. He was like, well, I just want to tell the story. Cause y' all went. I never thought y' all were gonna get back together. And y' all went acting like, you know, it's just true. You know, we wasn't. We wasn't trying to get on the same page. And at the time, Candy was totally against talking to Tamika Scott, you know, for whatever. Sorry. For whatever reason. Tamika. Sky had said some stuff on the radio, and she was like, no, I'm never talking to her again. And so when this. When we found out about that, I initially called Candy, and we. It's like, okay, how do we do this? And I'm like, I gotta get. I gotta call Tamika. Not. She was like, well, I'm not talking to me. You don't apologize to me. And she gotta apologize on. She. The same way she talked about on the radio. She gotta apologize on the radio. So I called Tamika and to me was like, yeah, I don't mind at all. You know, I apologize. I was wrong. So it went. It went well. You know, and we. Me and Tamika, Me and Candy called Kathy Hughes and we talked to her about. Talk to her about working, you know, the project, and we went to D.C. we met with her, and she was like, you know, we've already spent about two hundred and something thousand dollars on this project. And we was like, yo, well, we want to tell our own story. Like, we. We are leaving a legacy for our children. You know, we don't want somebody else to be able to tell our story, and we have nothing to do with it. She was like, yeah, all right, I'm okay with that. I'm gonna get rid of this show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ain't number wardrobe for Escape.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Well, she was just saying they had already started. Like, you know, it wasn't completed, but she was just saying, like, we've already spent this kind of money on that because they were in process. It was in the process of telling this story.

[Interviewer]

Zanika, any moment, right when you were interviewing your mom and she was giving you some of the answers and details, would you ever, like, ma, look, don't put this in here. We not gonna put this in here. The world ain't ready for this. Just leave some stuff for the family, just for me and you to know.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Like, I feel like she. We definitely talked about a lot of things, so I think I was worried because I'm getting her to just spill. Just spill. So I was a little worried, like, oh, how are they going to edit this? Because I'm like, at this point, we. Me and my mom just having a conversation, and, like, the cameras are protective

[Interviewer]

of her, and, you know, so.

[Zonnique Pullins]

But I'm trying to think out of all.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Like, you were very candid.

[Interviewer/Host]

I was surprised how much you told me.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I was talking to them. It was like, man, this is so good.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Zonnique Pullins]

And it was like, she wasn't stopped. Like, she was telling the whole story. She's spending 20 minutes on one question. I'm like, girl, I'm like, you can stop a little, like, when you're ready, but I don't know. I can't say there was anything. I was just like, oh, that need to be taken out. I was a little nervous. Like, we was talking about my dad. Like, what was we talking about? But it's your childhood.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, I spoke about her dad.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Oh, they didn't.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, they said a little bit. I don't think it was much, but, you know, I. I spoke. I did speak about my childhood, everything.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

I mean, so was her dad the one that your parents went to the projects to go see?

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, they left that part of it.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, yeah, that's him.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Yeah, that's him. I'M like, she's a married woman. She's a married woman now. So I'm just like, I don't know, stuff like that. Stir up stuff for no reason. Talking about your past.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, make sure you check out Tanya's unique on Uncensored man on TV1.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

That's right. Appreciate you guys.

[Interviewer]

And I love that your baby is the one that's interviewing you and narrating the thing, the whole thing. I. I love that.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Thank you.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Yeah, she did such a good job. Like, literally, they was like, we wanna, we, we wanna give her a job.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Like, I was ready to take it.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

I was ready to take it.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Yeah, I'm ready to take it.

[Zonnique Pullins]

I was ready to take it.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Right.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Well, you can check it out on the 26th.

[DJ Envy]

And thank you guys for joining us.

[Zonnique Pullins]

Thank you.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Thank you.

[Host (possibly DJ Envy or co-host)]

Breakfast Club Good morning.

[Podcast Narrator]

Hold up.

[DJ Envy]

Every day I wake up.

[Tameka 'Tiny' Harris]

Wake your ass up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Breakfast Club

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