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Regina Hall
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Host 1
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Host 1
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Juju Green
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Trevor Jackson
Rated R under 17. Admitted without parent.
Juju Green
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Trevor Jackson
Let's go.
Juju Green
Trevor Jackson is here. What's happening?
Trevor Jackson
Good to see you Man, I'm happy to be here. Good morning. Good morning.
Juju Green
How you feeling? Do you want to. You want to talk about acting or singing?
Trevor Jackson
Let's talk about both. Whatever you want to talk about first, I'm open to.
Regina Hall
I'm absolutely loving this ep.
Trevor Jackson
Thank you. Hey, I really appreciate that.
Regina Hall
Yeah, it's different. Has, like a soundtrack vibe. Like a. Like, love. Yeah, I love that. And I did not. I don't know why. I hope this doesn't offend you. I didn't expect that coming from you. But, like, what genre would you classify the cp?
Trevor Jackson
I would like to be genreless. That's kind of like, my goal. When I make anything in life, I try not to be in any type of box. I always want to represent, like, freedom. Freedom of creativity, freedom of, you know, who you are. And so, yeah, and the thing about this album is, because it was so personal to me, everything that came out just came out. There was no, like, hey, I want to make a song that's acoustic, or, I want to make a song that talks about this. It was like I was going through a very, very hard time. I was in a very low space, and I just started vomiting, you know, records. And I think that's how you get the best stuff. Like, when I was talking to my dad, my dad was like, I'm sorry that you're in this much pain, son, but this is your opus. You know what I'm saying? This is the best shit you've ever made. Sorry, can we cuss? Sorry. But he's like, this is the best stuff you've ever made. And I was just like, yeah. And I was like, it sucks. I had to go through that. But, yeah, I'm thankful for the outlet. I feel like I would explode if I didn't have these things in my life.
Juju Green
What do you call yourself? Is it a multi hybrid?
Trevor Jackson
I like that. We might just coin that. Multi hybrid, I like to say artists. You know, I was even playing around the idea of just a capture of moments. You know, whether I'm making a song or I'm on set, I'm capturing a moment in time because I've been helped by so many artists throughout my life and just athletes or whoever, and I always want to be that for someone. So, like, this album in particular, this ep. Anybody who's been through a breakup can relate to at least one song on. On these projects. And that's why I made it, because when I go through a hard time, I put on a good movie, I'm out of my funk, or I put in a good song and I'm out of my funk and I feel like I'm not alone anymore because someone feels the same way as me. And, you know, so I like that.
Juju Green
Because before you walked in, Jess was like, he's bi. And I'm like, no, that's not what you call.
Trevor Jackson
He's bi hybrid.
Juju Green
Because you can sing and act.
Regina Hall
You don't call it that.
Trevor Jackson
Bi hybrid. He's bi hybrid.
Juju Green
You don't call it that.
Regina Hall
I meant, like, you know, the music in the Ex.
Juju Green
But that's not what you call it, is what I'm telling you.
Trevor Jackson
What did you call it again?
Host 1
Multi hybrid.
Trevor Jackson
Multi hybrid. Multi hybrid.
Host 1
So this song. So you really went through this breakup or this, like, relationship situation that you're singing about?
Trevor Jackson
Yes.
Host 1
How long did it take for you to get to the point where you realized that it just wasn't going to work out? She wasn't going to put both feet in.
Trevor Jackson
Well, she broke up with me, which is okay. You know what I'm saying? And we just weren't right for each other. And I'm the type of person, like, I don't care how bad it's going. Like, I made. I'm just, like, trying to hold on, you know, I want it. I want it so bad. But I'm so thankful God does the hard work for me. Right. Because I would have never left, you feel me? I would have stayed. And so obviously, I went through a lot of. So the crazy thing about this music, guys, after she broke up with me two weeks after I tore my Achilles, then I had to shoot a TV show with the boot on, then I had to do tour. Like, I was going through so much.
Juju Green
That's what One Foot in came from.
Trevor Jackson
It should have. It should have came from that. But, yeah, no, I. Yeah, I was in a really, really low spot. But I think, again, that's why I wanted to do this, because I think black men in general, journaling, talking about it, I want people to process and then be like a lighthouse for somebody else instead of internalizing. And I felt like that was this album for me. You know, I had just probably started going to therapy a few years before the breakup. And I love journaling. I love talking to therapists. And that's what the music is for me. You know, I'm just like. Right. And then. But then I come back and listen to him, like, this is a smash. You know what I'm saying?
Regina Hall
Yeah. So. So even when you go back and you listen ep, Right?
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Regina Hall
You don't Break down at all.
Trevor Jackson
No, I'm h. That's what. But that's why I do what I do. And, like, people are like, oh, you're trying to be famous. You want money? No, I'm surviving. Like, that's why I make music. That's why even I go to set, I tell people. There's stories where I had to do a scene, and this was another breakup. I, like, had broken up with someone, and then the next day, I get to set, and the scene is a breakup scene, and I just used everything. Boom, boom. Like, everybody's like, oh, my God, that performance. I'm like, meanwhile, y' all know I really just.
Regina Hall
This is my life.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah. But I'm again, I'm thankful for the outlets, man. They. They saved me for sure.
Juju Green
How many times did y' all break up? Y' all really broke up?
Trevor Jackson
Maybe, like, two, three.
Juju Green
Okay.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah, two, three. But, yeah, I'm in a good place now. I'm really, really thankful, you know? Like I said, God does the hardest part. But again, I would tear my Achilles. I get broken up with a million times over to feel how I feel now.
Juju Green
I'm glad.
Trevor Jackson
I would do it a billion times.
Juju Green
How helpful was, you know, you going to therapy prior? How did that, like, I guess, lessen the blow?
Trevor Jackson
It's super helpful, I think. I think it's the talking about it. I think my whole life, most men, you know, it's like, I'm fine. Even when I talk to my homies. Excuse me, that riot. And do music. When I was telling them about the album, they were like, dude, man, you can't. You can't give her this. You can't write all this stuff. It's too emotional. No, you need to be going to the club, right? That's how most guys handle their shit. I'm sad. I'm gonna go on something, and I'm gonna try and forget about it.
Juju Green
What'd you say? What'd you say?
Trevor Jackson
I'm gonna go be cool outside, and I'm gonna have some food or something. You know what I'm saying? And hopefully. And hopefully feel better about it. You feel what I'm saying? But that' deal with this. So that's why this album is really special, because I think people should see someone like me expressing these types of feelings and just being honest. And I feel way lighter afterwards, you know?
Regina Hall
What did you learn about yourself in relationships after your therapy, after doing I love you?
Trevor Jackson
What did I learn about myself? Oh, man, I deserve more.
Regina Hall
Ooh.
Trevor Jackson
Honestly, I felt like it's you know, we all are successful in what we do, and sometimes you feel, like, ashamed for it. And you feel like whoever you're with, especially if they're not on that level that they get. They get to beat you down more because you can quote, unquote, take it, or because you have more. Even when you break up, you know, people are going to the girl like, oh, my God, are you okay? Like, yeah, you know, and the guy just like, you know, And I was torn, you know, I was a mess. But, yeah, I think I learned too, in relationships that I deserved more. You know what I'm saying? And, yeah, that's a long list. But I learned.
Juju Green
Do you fear being alone? Because. Oh, okay.
Trevor Jackson
Absolutely.
Juju Green
On one foot in. You said, catch a baddie by the toe if you love or let it go. But it's hard when you need.
Trevor Jackson
When you need somebody.
Juju Green
Somebody.
Trevor Jackson
We are coupled creatures, man. We're supposed to be with somebody. That not necessarily true, but, I mean, I think it's the natural order of things. But definitely, dude, I. I definitely had issues. You know, I slept in my big brother's room until, you know, I. I was like 14, 15, because I just hated sleeping in the dark, being myself. Like, I always wanted somebody to let me know. And also just being alive. Guys, we're on Earth in the middle of space. Okay. It's hard to be like. You're like, what is this? So it helps when you have somebody sharing that experience close to you, but absolutely. I feel like I've done that a bunch. I've, you know, done some crazy things just to not be alone. But I'm learning now that the right person, too, will encourage that of you. You know, you need some space. You need some, you know, I mean.
Juju Green
Were you a teddy bear type of guy? Pet?
Trevor Jackson
What's that mean?
Juju Green
Like, did you sleep with a teddy bear? Because after, you know, after you stop.
Trevor Jackson
No, but I'm a TV guy.
Juju Green
Tv.
Trevor Jackson
I have to have a TV on. I can't fall asleep. My mind is too loud. My mind is way louder than any tv. Any music.
Regina Hall
Like.
Trevor Jackson
So when it's. When it's dark and it's quiet, it's just.
Juju Green
You don't meditate?
Trevor Jackson
Huh?
Juju Green
You don't meditate?
Trevor Jackson
I should more, but I do. I do meditate, but I just don't do it as often as I should. I'm doing this thing now where I look up like 48 or. What's the hertz that's good for the.
Juju Green
Oh, yeah, the frequency.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah. There's a Frequency about play, like on apple music. Or I'll put on some, like, meditation, morning music or just relaxing, because.
Regina Hall
So when you say. When you. When you sit in the quiet and your thoughts are too loud, what are those thoughts?
Trevor Jackson
Like, you're not doing enough. Do more. You should have done this. Hey, what. When are you gonna finish that script you said you was gonna write? Hey, you have to shoot tomorrow. Are you gonna kill that? Are you gonna do good?
Regina Hall
You can't even go to sleep.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard. Yeah, it's just, you know, and then again, why am I here? What am I supposed to do? Am I doing the right thing? And I always lean on love. That's why everything I made is make in life, kind of revolves around that, especially musically, because that's the only thing that I can keep going with is like, I love my family.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Trevor Jackson
I love. God. I love people. Even random strangers I meet. Like, I'll have a better day if I just go out and see somebody behind the cash register and they're like, hey, have a good day. I'm like, that's what it's about, right? Like, we should just be cool to each other.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Host 1
Where does that. Those pressures that make your mind so loud come from? Is it because you've been doing this since you were younger and you've been successful? Is it that. That chase, or is it just you feel like you got a lot to do?
Trevor Jackson
I feel like I got a lot to do. Even when I was young, I didn't feel, like too much. I don't feel a lot of pressure. I don't think you find you get pressure until you realize the why. Right. Like, I knew what I wanted.
Host 1
No, I'm agreeing.
Trevor Jackson
Oh, my bad.
Host 1
Yeah, I can. I understand the feeling.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah. I knew what I wanted to do. I was like, I want everybody in the world to know me. I want to be famous. I want to dance. I want to sing. I want to be on stage. And then I got to the point, I was like, why? Oh, I'm carrying something, and it's bigger than myself. And I think that's from the pressure. And the brain is like, yo. You know? And then my kids, which I don't have, but I. I put a lot of pressure on myself to have answers for them.
Regina Hall
I was gonna say travel. Where the hell you get kids from? Okay. All right, go ahead.
Trevor Jackson
But even if I. You know what I'm saying? Even if I don't have them, I just want to be able to have. I mean, Even if I don't have the answers for them, I want to give them something. You know that. So I put a lot of pressure on myself for that, too. I just want to be a good dad. I want to be a good husband and, like, you know, get it right.
Juju Green
How old are you? 20.
Trevor Jackson
Just turned 29.
Regina Hall
Okay.
Juju Green
Baby.
Host 1
You say that like it's old.
Trevor Jackson
My knees, my back.
Juju Green
You do realize that there's never probably going to be a time when you haven't figured all.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Juju Green
So there's no need to beat yourself up. Like, you know, give yourself grace. Like, you know, every new year is a journey. Literally, every new day.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Juju Green
Is a journey. So it's good to be on this. This path of. Of self discovery and just trying to figure out, you know, what. What works for you. But don't beat yourself up. Exactly.
Trevor Jackson
Thank you, man.
Juju Green
Not knowing or appreciate that where you feel like you're supposed to be, because you really don't even know who you are, Right?
Host 1
Yeah.
Juju Green
Like, you act, you sing, and that might not even be what you're even here to do.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Juju Green
You have no idea.
Regina Hall
Like, congratulations on Grey's Anatomy. That is. That is big.
Trevor Jackson
Thank you.
Regina Hall
I love raising anatomy. How did that happen?
Trevor Jackson
That was crazy. So I didn't even think I auditioned, you know, I think I had a few auditions that week that were just, like, on, you know, recording. Why can't I think of the name, sending the tapes, or whatever? And it was just a quick, like, audition. And I was like, oh, this is a dope role. And I really thought that they weren't gonna call me back. It was like, maybe a few weeks, maybe a month after, So I had forgotten about it. And they're like, oh, yeah, the Grayson Abby. They want you. I was like, what?
Regina Hall
That's dope.
Trevor Jackson
And it's funny because when I'm doing one, I'm itching to do the other thing so I'll be on set. I'm like, man, I can't wait to make a song. And then when I was on tour, I got off tour, I was like, man, I want to be back on set again. You know, because I was on Grownish for six years, six and a half years, and I had missed being on set. And now this is one of those things in life. I feel like we all get to a point where it just feels, like, monotonous. It's like, here's another day. But when I get to go and be a little bit nervous about something or have a little bit of, like, anxiousness and I'm just learning so much, you know, like, as an actor and as a doctor. Not a real doctor, but they do. They have real doctors on set that are always just like, hey, this is how you pick this up. You would never hold this like this. You know what I mean? Your hands don't go below your waist and operating, like, a whole bunch of things that I had no idea about. And. And the set is just sick, dude. Everybody's sweet, everybody's nice, embracing, encouraging. And that's the kind of environment you want to work in for.
Juju Green
It made you nervous about it.
Trevor Jackson
It's a legendary show, you know, 22, 22 years, and a lot of big actors came off of that show, and they are still on that show. And I think, too, it's the. It's the extra element of being a doctor. And I've never been to school for any type of thing. Doctor, so that's kind of like where the nerves are. It's like, although I'm acting naturally, like what a doctor said, his hand, like, you know, I'm just trying to like that type of stuff, but it's dope. I'm trying to just be as, as comfortable as I can be.
Juju Green
Fight the older white women off with a stick.
Trevor Jackson
It's fun, though. The lab coat, if it's something different. When you put a lab coat on, you got the. What's it called? The dongle. I should know. This stethoscope. The stethoscope, yeah.
Regina Hall
Oh, that's why he was nervous. He don't need. No. You feel me?
Trevor Jackson
I'm like, where's the script? Show me the word and how to pronounce that. Yeah.
Host 1
Is Sh. Rhymes on set at all?
Trevor Jackson
She is not. I have not met her, but our people are on there. Her team. That's right. But everybody's dope. Yeah. I'm excited. It's. It's a great, great, great job.
Regina Hall
And now you're gonna be a regular on there.
Trevor Jackson
Let's go.
Regina Hall
That's amazing, Trev.
Trevor Jackson
I'm stoked, man. I'm stoked.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Trevor Jackson
Honestly, I, I, it came at the perfect time. Yeah.
Juju Green
And you call it a new ep. I love you.
Trevor Jackson
I love you. It's the beginning of a series. Right. We're in the beginning stages, and obviously there'll be more stuff, and it'll all come together. Make sense. But this is the first little, you know, dipping the toe in the pool. Just kind of even, like, what you were saying, the new sound.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Trevor Jackson
I want people to really, you know, rediscover Me again in that way because I think I'm making music from such a real place and Ed Sheeran is a huge inspiration of mine. Again, I wasn't making this to sound like that, but a lot of people who hear the music, it's like it's Ed Sheeran. That's what's like, let's go. That's the vibe, that's the energy. And it takes records like that and songs like that. You know, that guy can be in a stadium standing by himself with the guitar. Doesn't need dancers, doesn't need lights because the music is so real. And that's kind of what I was after.
Juju Green
I just saw him this weekend.
Trevor Jackson
For real?
Juju Green
Yeah, he performed at iHeart Festival. I mean, I've been to a lot of concerts in my life, but he performed at diehard festival and you're absolutely right. And. And he makes these records that just like if you are in love with an individual, like perfect shape of you.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah. Yeah.
Juju Green
It's just like nuts Ballads. What's. What was the wedding song that everybody love? Honey I. Yes.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Juju Green
Thinking out loud. Oh my God.
Regina Hall
Never know the song titles. So now singing.
Trevor Jackson
I like AY's on a lot too. The new John. He did I like a. He's cold, bro.
Juju Green
He just put out a new album. Yeah, he did drop the new album.
Trevor Jackson
Was that play or something?
Juju Green
Play Y.
Trevor Jackson
He's cold.
Regina Hall
What do you. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Host 1
I was going to ask. What do you think it'll take for people to like. Really? I guess not. Cuz you said you're in a rediscovery mode with your music and your sound. The music is so good, but I feel like people don't know that it's there.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Host 1
What do you think it'll take for.
Trevor Jackson
People to get it consistent quality? And that's all I've been. I mean, if people go back and listen to all my records like. And I hope that people do. There is just intention and there's quality in the music and I think, you know, I can't concern myself with others. You know, I just got to continue to make the best stuff I can. And people catch on when they're supposed to and if they're not, they're not. But I make music for me first. And so that's how. Yeah.
Host 1
A lot of your covers have been going like viral and then get picked up a lot.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Host 1
Do you feel like the. The covers have been helping you in this rediscovery phase or the traditional marketing of music that like, labels and stuff. Do, like, what has helped you best?
Trevor Jackson
I think that. So I'm glad you brought that up, because my brother kind of, like, twisted my arm to do the T mixes, right? The remixes that I do, I didn't want to do them. I was like, I work too hard. I. I've worked too hard to just put free music out and actually spend the amount of time I do to make those. Like, I don't just BS them. Like, I try to make the best verse I can sing the best I can. You know what I mean? Yeah, right? And so I was like, I'm getting this for free. This is me. This is all of me. And my brother's like, trevor, do you think you'll ever not be able to write a song? And I was like, no. He's like, do the team mixes, bro. He's like, you're gonna have millions of new ideas. You're gonna be fine. He's like, but you need to let everybody know that you're on these people's level, if not better than all these people. So do it.
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Trevor Jackson
From Paul Thomas Anderson comes one battle after another. What's going on, everybody?
Juju Green
It's your boy, Juju Green, AKA Straw Hat Goofy. You're a movie guy.
Trevor Jackson
And I'm sitting here with the lovely and quite frankly, badass women of one battle after another. We got Regina Hall, Teyana Taylor and Chase Infinity.
Juju Green
When you first read your character on.
Trevor Jackson
That script, what did your character remind you of?
Regina Hall
As you can see, you know, we don't always agree with a lot of things that Perfidia do, but for the most part, we see a survivor, right?
Host 1
We see a woman that's in survival mode.
Regina Hall
We also see a woman that's unapologetically herself, but then she is also, like, mysterious and, like, you know, she got like a little sex appeal that's like, you know, how's she pulling them in like that?
AT&T Announcer
You feel me?
Regina Hall
You know, she's mysterious and she's also Like a master manipulator. And she's like an octopus. She can, like, get her way out of anything, you know what I'm saying?
Trevor Jackson
Yeah, that's a love tag. One battle after another. Now playing only in theater. Experience it in IMAX and other premium formats. Get tickets now rated R under 17, not admitted without parent. And I was like, I love it.
Regina Hall
You know what? I do love that I can relate to you and your brother with that. I can see how he's like, yo, just put it out there. But sometimes I be listening. I'd be like, now, this run could have went on a Trevor Jackson song and not the COVID But you know what, yo, your voice is just.
Trevor Jackson
Thank you so much.
Regina Hall
Undeniable.
Trevor Jackson
I really appreciate that.
Regina Hall
And so I want to know, what are some of your influences?
Trevor Jackson
Brian McKnight, Gary Laveau, Stevie. Donny Hathaway. Boyz II Men. Oh, we got to talk about that. Sean Stockman and Wanye. From boy to boyz. I mean, those are also, like, people who affirmed me, and I was like, okay, I don't need to prove myself.
Regina Hall
Amazing.
Trevor Jackson
These two guys. I was, like, almost crying when I first met them. We had the BMI Awards. I was like, you guys? Like, I started getting emotional. They were like, is this guy, like, a lot of people think I BS because I'm like, an actor. I'm fake. I'm like, bro, I'm about to start. I don't think you understand. Like, I listen to you my whole life, bro. I've sat for hours trying to riff like you. And he was like, I just want to let you know, you're doing us proud, man. You're doing us proud. Everything you do, we see it. It's incredible. And don't let nobody tell you, man, you're carrying a torch for us, all this stuff. And I'm just like, what? And I was sitting here doubting myself where I got here.
Juju Green
Like, Trevor, they weren't talking about music probably. They probably talking about acting.
Regina Hall
Now, why would you come up? You're just a bald head clown. Because why would you say that? He's sitting here talking about music.
Trevor Jackson
They ain't been in no movies.
Juju Green
No, I'm saying. But they probably meant this as a black man, Young black man. You carrying the torch. We like what you're doing. You representing us.
Trevor Jackson
We'll call them up. We'll ask him.
Host 1
Did they specifically say music when they.
Regina Hall
Were talking to you?
Trevor Jackson
Yes, it was. It was clearly about music. We were at BMI Award, and they were talking about my Music and my T mixes and vocally just.
Juju Green
Oh, well, you ain't get to that part. You ain't say that.
Regina Hall
He literally said it all started with that.
Juju Green
Literally said it started with that music part.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Juju Green
Okay. Gotcha.
Regina Hall
Crazy.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah. But when I had their stamp of approval, I stopped doubting myself in that way. And, yeah, man, I'm going hard.
Juju Green
That's good. Because I'd be wondering how many people know Trevor Jackson actually does music.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Juju Green
Because even if they see you doing covers, it's like, okay, he might just.
Trevor Jackson
Be playing or whatever. But. Yeah, that's why I think music like this, though. I don't think you can just play around and make this type. These types of songs.
Regina Hall
Yeah, yeah.
Trevor Jackson
That I'm about to put out. They're very, very personal and connected, you.
Host 1
Know, I mean, that was my point with. When I watched the One Foot in video, I'm like, yo, he really. He's an artist.
Trevor Jackson
Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
Host 1
People don't know that.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah. Like, even those clothes. Sorry to interrupt you, but even those clothes on that video, you're talking about, like, I want to represent poets from a time that couldn't wear those garments. Black poets. Yeah. Langston Hughes and Robert Frost. Edgar Allan Poe. I know those aren't two black poets, but I'm just saying poetry in general is something that I think is so powerful. Words are so powerful. I want to be remembered like those people. I want to be like Shakespeare. And people go back a million years and be like, did you hear this song he wrote about the. You know what I mean? And just be able to connect. Because I think the biggest misconception in life is that we're separate from each other. You know, I think we're all. We all go through the same stuff. Maybe in different fonts here and there, but it's the same. And when you have these guidelines or these, like. I call them, like, check marks in life, you're like, oh, I made it to a point where it kind of makes sense.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Trevor Jackson
I made it through that. Now I'm going to the next thing. You have those. That's what I like to think my music could be for people.
Juju Green
I think artists recognize that more than just the average person.
Host 1
Yeah.
Juju Green
Because the arts bring everybody together. You know what I mean?
Trevor Jackson
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. There's nothing like it. Being at a concert and you seeing somebody aging, somebody white, somebody in this man and all singing the same song, vibrating in the same room.
Host 1
Five was on stage. I swear I was looking. I'm like, it's so crazy. Music brings us all together. It's very cliche, but I was sitting there, like, it really does. Like, we're all here.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Juju Green
Music is the only universal language.
Trevor Jackson
True.
Juju Green
I understand what they say. Music and math.
Trevor Jackson
Music and math and music. Yeah, I don't speak math at all. Not good. Yeah. They'd be like, what tip you get? I'm like, I don't know. Just, you know, let's make. Make it right.
Juju Green
What does real love look like to you?
Trevor Jackson
That's a great question. I think real love to me is selfless. I don't think there's selfishness in love, a real love. I don't think there's ego in a real love. And I think the constant wanting the best for the other person is something that I think is super powerful. Like somebody who just wants you. Wants you to be your best and. And. But also isn't too pushy. There's a balance. You know what I mean? But I think it's a dance, like you were talking about earlier. I don't think you ever fully figure it out or ever have it right, But I think when you have someone that's constantly wanting the best for you and wanting you to operate at the highest version of you, that's somebody that. That really loves you.
Regina Hall
Now, are you, hmm, not afraid, but are you scared to date again? Basically?
Trevor Jackson
Uh, Nah. No, no, I'm happy.
Regina Hall
Okay. Yeah, you're happy. But you're single right now.
Trevor Jackson
Breakfast Club. Love this. I love coming on the show. Did I get to tell you thank you, though, for having me back up here? You always, like, show love and let me come up and promote my stuff.
Juju Green
I fuck with you, man.
Regina Hall
Oh, he is good.
Juju Green
I like what you're doing. You carry the torch for us. You rep what the boys and men say.
Trevor Jackson
They said it. You can call. I hope they come on the show. You guys talking about Grace Anatomy, are you? I'm super happy right now. That's the thing. Okay. You know, I'm just in so much joy.
Regina Hall
He's definitely happy.
Host 1
He got some Cuddy last night. Something happening.
Trevor Jackson
Hey, life is good. All I gotta say is better and better.
Regina Hall
Okay.
Trevor Jackson
Better and better.
Regina Hall
Oh, I like that. I like that. All right.
Juju Green
Are you a homeless romantic?
Trevor Jackson
Yes. Yeah. And I. I think it's. I totally am. I was gonna try and elaborate. Yeah, I definitely am. I love love.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Trevor Jackson
I love to be loved. I love to love. And I think that's from my family, honestly, dude, I come from an incredible, incredible family. My grandmother, my grandfather, Just passed away recently, Rip. But these are people that just instilled love into every single child, grandchild. The men, the women like it. Just. That's just what I come from, and I can't operate on anything other than that now.
Regina Hall
Do you have a puma deal?
Trevor Jackson
Oh, what puma deal? It's on the way. Hopefully this is all puma, y'. All. Check me out.
Regina Hall
Oh, yeah, you see the pants?
Host 1
We saw the photo on your Instagram.
Regina Hall
Okay.
Trevor Jackson
No, they got some stuff, and I had no idea. When I had gone up there, I was like. I didn't know. She was like, yes, yes, we got that stuff. All right, cool.
Regina Hall
That's good.
Trevor Jackson
They have amazing, amazing clothes. Yeah.
Regina Hall
I didn't even know that they made clothes. Like, clothes like that. Like, yeah.
Trevor Jackson
As soon as I started. Someone need that?
Regina Hall
Oh, outfit is fire.
Trevor Jackson
Thank you.
Regina Hall
I do like it.
Juju Green
It was very comfortable.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Juju Green
You say, why I love you, goodbye. Oh, why the goodbye?
Trevor Jackson
Okay, let's talk about it. I'm glad you asked. That last thing she said to me on the phone was, I love you, goodbye. And I was like, oh, that's a great album title, though. That was literally my brain. I was like, this hurts. Write a song or make an album. And, yeah, that's literally how the album title came to be. That was. We had a conversation about a. Maybe like, 30 minutes, hour long.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Trevor Jackson
And right after, she's like, all right, I love you, goodbye. And that was the last time I ever spoke. And I was like, this is a great album title. Yeah.
Juju Green
How long was it?
Trevor Jackson
Maybe two years.
Juju Green
Wow. They say if you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, it's yours. Right. So how do you know that she.
Trevor Jackson
No, it ain't right. It ain't right. It ain't right.
Regina Hall
Has she tried to.
Trevor Jackson
No. No.
Regina Hall
Circle back?
Trevor Jackson
No.
Regina Hall
Hey. Big hit.
Trevor Jackson
Not at all. Not at all. And I wish nothing but the best for, you know, I'm saying I got no ill will. And the music is also not about me trying to do anything towards her, just me expressing those feelings that I was going through. And I think it's important to see the, you know, God's perspective and all the feelings that we go through, but I love you, goodbye, man, is. It's also the death of something and the rebirth of something. And that's also why the outfit that I have that you guys are seeing is kind of like that. It's like I said, when you get broken up with, it feels like you showed up to the wedding alone. And I was like, you, like, got up to the altar and no one was there. It's like, oh, gosh dang. Right? So that outfit kind of is that, too. And it's. Yeah, it's like dealing with grief and. And being rebirthed into somebody new. And again, like I said, I do it a million times over to be the man that I am or see the way I see the world now, I would do it again knowing that.
Host 1
You need more and everything you learned from that two years ago. How do you approach relationships now so that you're not so. Because it seems like you're, like, very, like, open. Yeah, give her. How do you not just give it all up front?
Trevor Jackson
That is hard for me, because I do. I do go hard. I go fast. And I'm like, yo, let's see what I mean. Life is short. We're gonna die tomorrow. That's my. In my head, that's how I feel about a lot of the time. I'm like, you know, I think about death all the time, so I'm like, let's do it. Let's just, you know, let's get hitched. No, I'm kidding. But I think, yeah, I'm just a little more cautious. And again, when I say I deserve more, I think I'm looking more for people to see me more. You know what I'm saying? I felt like it was just a lot of, like, oh, my God, you're that guy. Right? But it wasn't like, you ain't seen me for real.
Regina Hall
Like, who are you?
Trevor Jackson
Yeah, yeah. So. So I'm in search of that, and that's kind of something I'm paying more attention to. And the small stuff, too. You know what I'm saying? There's. Yeah.
Juju Green
What version of yourself do you think this project reflects?
Trevor Jackson
What version of myself do I think this project reflects? I think it's my most emotional album. I think it's the most. Yeah. Emotional. I'm really in tune with him. I'm telling you. There's one record on the album you can, like, hear me crying in. In the back. My brother. I was mad that he kept it on the mix, but he was like, no, we need this. We need this. This is real trash.
Juju Green
Which one can we listen to the ep?
Trevor Jackson
No, it's not on the ep.
Juju Green
Oh, okay.
Trevor Jackson
Okay. It's on the album, but the EP is, you know, a part of it. What songs are all on the ep? Sorry, I should know this, but I'll.
Juju Green
Tell you right now.
Trevor Jackson
Let's see. Let's talk about some of the records. Friend of a friend. Which one? Mess with that.
Host 1
This one we have. He was playing earlier, blasting that, and.
Regina Hall
I was like, damn, this can go to a TV show, a movie. He can write a movie.
Juju Green
They didn't send us friend of a friend they sent us love don't want me friend of a friend is fighting for one foot in collection. And I thought you.
Trevor Jackson
I'm collection.
Regina Hall
Probably my favorite is. Is the too.
Trevor Jackson
I like fighter for too. Yeah. Thank you. Collection is probably my favorite, though. Excuse me on that. Because. Yeah, I'm not gonna be another broken heart that you add to your collection. That's why I have to put it to an end before it starts. Don't, don't wanna I won't let you add me to your collection. Don't want to be another broken heart and then at the end, the second hook flips, right? Because you're gonna be another broken heart that I I don't want you to be another broken heart Add to my collection we both aren't good at love, but we're trying to hang on to this thing. So. Yeah, that's probably my favorite song on there. But the whole. The whole eps Cold.
Juju Green
Which one is the one that sound like the country?
Trevor Jackson
Is that one that's worth fighting for?
Juju Green
We're fighting for.
Regina Hall
That's what I like.
Juju Green
Okay. Why. Why did you decide to go through the country? Because.
Trevor Jackson
And that's what I mean. Even when I was making it, I wasn't like, let's make a country song. I just heard a beat and then that was like, what came down. Drinking that at the bar alone, you know, I mean, I was like, that's all right, cool. Go with it. You know what I'm saying? And that's how everything with me kind of is. Is very spontaneous and just off of the cuff. And it came out like that. And I'm from Indiana. I've loved country since I was a baby. So, you know, I mean, it just kind of leaned into that vibe. But, yeah, I've always. I. When I was mentioning my favorite artist, Gary Lavose from Rascal Flats, who's one of my favorite vocals. I'm from Indianapolis. My family's from Marion and got some family in Fort Wayne too.
Juju Green
But are you related to the Jacksons?
Trevor Jackson
I wish. I honestly, he literally, before you came.
Regina Hall
In, was like, you know, Michael. I was like, he says.
Trevor Jackson
He says this every single time.
Juju Green
Why did you say that?
Regina Hall
Because why would he just lie?
Trevor Jackson
It's not real.
Juju Green
He don't know 2025. Who gives a about.
Trevor Jackson
I might. I might do better off. Might be better off, huh? Michael's nephew, Michael's Law.
Host 1
So the headliner grabbed his name.
Trevor Jackson
I'm Michael Jackson's nephew. I got to tell y' all the truth. Jermaine's my daddy. My mom had a wild night.
Juju Green
Say Tito.
Regina Hall
Nobody gonna believe Tito.
Juju Green
God bless his dad. Tito not around. You know what I'm saying? So my point is, you say you Tito and say you a Jackson, people will start listening to your music with a different air, I'm telling you.
Trevor Jackson
With a different ear. I'm telling you.
Regina Hall
I know his dad gonna be like, nah, he got a daddy.
Trevor Jackson
No, my dad would be hot. My dad would be hot. I called him on the way here.
Host 1
You told him you was gonna say that?
Trevor Jackson
No, no, my dad, he said, we talking about my dad.
Host 1
With all of your background in television, are you working on scoring any of this music and trying to put it into the TV side of things? Cause it does sound, like, very commercial.
Trevor Jackson
This is my. Oh, can I just shout out real quick? Um, yeah, let's just round up man. United Masters, man. They're incredible. Shout out Ahmad. Shout out Maria back here. These people. Shout out Jesse. Um, has changed my perspective on, you know, working with the label.
Regina Hall
Nice.
Trevor Jackson
And really put music out. But to answer your question, yes, I would love to do that. And, yeah, I think we'll all kind of be in the process of trying to figure that out. I would love that, though.
Host 1
So you're independent, but just distributed through you.
Trevor Jackson
I'm signed to you. Okay. We officially signed our first. It's complicated. We partnered up, and then now we were like, this feels good. Yeah, this feels right.
Juju Green
Dope.
Trevor Jackson
Let's do it. Let's go all the way.
Host 1
Yep.
Juju Green
You ever hear a record back and think to yourself, I was too honest on that one?
Trevor Jackson
Yeah.
Regina Hall
Really?
Juju Green
Do you keep it or do you keep it? Okay, okay, okay.
Trevor Jackson
Gotta keep it.
Juju Green
What's the last record you did that on?
Trevor Jackson
It's on the album. You haven't heard it yet.
Juju Green
Okay.
Trevor Jackson
But when it comes out, I will tell you. All right. Yeah, but there's one on the album for sure. I'm like, ah, Should I, ah.
Regina Hall
Should I over.
Trevor Jackson
Yes. And then other means, like, do it, do it, do it right.
Host 1
Your ex gonna be mad about it.
Regina Hall
Maybe you're an overthinker, though. You.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah, true.
Regina Hall
You'll think yourself out of doing something. I can tell.
Trevor Jackson
I literally told my brother. I was like, dude, should I not put this whole album out? He's like, bro, Shut up.
Host 1
Right?
Trevor Jackson
Dude, I just. I don't know, man. I don't know.
Regina Hall
You know, it's crazy. Are we gonna get a tour?
Trevor Jackson
Yes, definitely gonna get a tour. That's my favorite place to be. Okay, you.
Regina Hall
Let's get. Let's get it, y'.
Trevor Jackson
All. Yeah, I'm very, very stoked. And especially again with this music, I think this is such sing along music and I can't wait. Every time I've gone on tour, it's gotten bigger and it's gotten better. So I'm really stoked to just see how the fans receive this music and turn something that was sad into a turn up. You know, let's just celebrate together and. And you know, be happy to be.
Juju Green
I gotta hear how sad this album because I just like I was listening to T T Savages. I don't take. Don't take me. No, this.
Trevor Jackson
Call it this.
Juju Green
This is personal. This is personal. And when you're listening to it, you can feel her pain like on some like Mary J. Blige, my life type.
Trevor Jackson
So are you doing this?
Juju Green
What?
Trevor Jackson
I love you. It's like that? Okay, I'll give you another story real quick. There's a song called man of Steel on the. The on Goodbye. Right, that's coming up. And how I just showing you how close my life is to the music. So before that call, I was telling you that I love you. Goodbye call. What I do when I'm sad is I watch superhero movies, okay? I'm a nerd. I don't give. Fuck Marvel DC. I don't care. So I'm watching Batman vs Superman, right?
Juju Green
You're gonna be okay, man.
Trevor Jackson
Just be strong. You know, I'm watching the movie, she calls, we get off the phone and. Right. Basically. And within that conversation was like, look, you can't love me and be you, right? You can't do. Be this guy and still be with me. Like, I see that that's not gonna work. So, you know, that's why we can't do it, right? Soon as I get off the phone, I go back to watching Batman vs Superman and Lois Lane walks into the bathroom. And no, Superman walks into the bathroom. Lois Lane is in the tub. And he's like, what's wrong? She's like, it's impossible. He's like, what's impossible? She was like, for you to love me and still be you. The exact same line I ran downstairs. I'm telling everybody, my guys, just so you know, this actually just happened. I'm not using this story. So I can tell on the Breakfast Club. Like this really just happened. Made the song that day. Man of Steel.
Regina Hall
Yeah.
Trevor Jackson
That's one of my favorite songs on that.
Juju Green
I just ask a question.
Trevor Jackson
Yeah please.
Juju Green
Was it your first time watching the movie?
Trevor Jackson
No.
Juju Green
Exactly. What you heard the line before Trevor.
Trevor Jackson
But it came right after the phone call. Like seconds. Like right when I pressed play. Like I didn't know it was coming. Right when I pressed played the next scene.
Juju Green
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This is an iHeart podcast.
Date: September 26, 2025
Hosts: Charlemagne Tha God, Jess Hilarious, Juju Green (Straw Hat Goofy), Lauren LaRosa (LL Cool Bay, sitting in for DJ Envy)
Guest: Trevor Jackson
This lively, candid episode features actor-singer Trevor Jackson as he joins The Breakfast Club to discuss his upcoming EP I Love You Goodbye (dropping October 3rd), his musical journey, breakthrough acting on Grey’s Anatomy, collaborations, personal growth through heartbreak and therapy, inspirations, fashion, and living authentically as a creative and Black man. The conversation’s tone is warm, insightful, and often humorous, with Trevor offering genuine reflections on vulnerability, creative process, and reinvention.
Trevor Jackson’s appearance on The Breakfast Club reveals the multidimensionality of an artist navigating fame, authenticity, heartbreak, and healing. The episode’s candid flow brings humor, realness, and heartfelt advice, serving as both a teaser for I Love You Goodbye and a testament to the transformative power of art, vulnerability, and self-acceptance.
Listen for: reflections on modern masculinity, the creative process, Black men’s mental health, building legacy, redefining self-worth, and the beauty of honest, unfiltered music.