INTERVIEW: Trick Williams On Bringing Realness To WWE, Proposing To Lash Legend, Ideal Opponents + More

Summary

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The Breakfast Club Interview with Trick Williams: “Bringing Realness to WWE, Proposing to Lash Legend, Ideal Opponents + More”

Date: March 6, 2026
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, (with La Rosa and Angela Yee)
Guest: WWE Superstar Trick Williams

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Episode Overview

This episode features WWE rising star Trick Williams in a lively, candid conversation about his unconventional journey from football to professional wrestling, his approach to authenticity and representation in WWE, the dynamics of sharing both love and the ring with fiancée and fellow wrestler Lash Legend, and his philosophy on branding, crowd engagement, and the business side of sports entertainment. Trick also opens up about handling jealousy in the industry, brushes with injury, and what WrestleMania means to him.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Trick Williams’ Journey: From Football to Wrestling

• Roots and Education:
  • Started at Hampton University, transferred to South Carolina [03:40].
  • Brief stint with the Philadelphia Eagles—didn’t make the team.
  • Was scouted by WWE after his agent submitted his info to the XFL [04:07]:
    • “As soon as they sent my information there, WWE reached out to me and said, are you interested in coming in for a tryout?” – Trick Williams [04:34]
  • No prior wrestling experience; big fan since childhood (Stone Cold Steve Austin) but never saw wrestling as a viable career path [04:42].
• Training & Early Days:
  • First wrestling tryout in Orlando; not immediately signed, so continued training independently.
  • Drew parallels between “indie scene” in comedy and wrestling:
    • “Before you make it big and…got your own shows… you on the Indies, you make a name for yourself. So I had to do that first.” – Trick Williams [05:37]

Authenticity, Representation, and Craft

• On Being Black in WWE:
  • Emphasizes authenticity:
    • “I can't be anything else than black, you know what I mean? …the better I do in this field, the better it is for people who look like me, period.” – Trick Williams [06:06]
• Learning the Craft:
  • Transitioning from football to wrestling required years of work; the skill set includes showmanship, learning camera angles, and physical stunts [06:28].
• On the Realness of Wrestling:
  • "Yes, there's a script attached to it. You know, it's predetermined... But the beauty is not in the script. It's in the execution.” [06:56]
• Crowd Connection and the “Whoop That Trick” Phenomenon:
  • Crowd energy is genuine, even if matches are scripted:
    • “You never know what it is. Some people are just that good at the craft.” – Trick Williams [07:33]
  • "Whoop That Trick" chants started in NXT, but exploded during a California show when he won his first title over Dominik Mysterio [08:13].

Building a Brand and Managing Attention

• From Hype Man to Main Event:
  • Started as a hype man, learned to build rapport with the crowd, do intros, be entertaining [28:11–28:45].
  • Created his own skits, rap songs, diss tracks on rivals to get himself noticed:
    • “I started doing my own ventures on social media… Like bro, I gotta get myself popping.” – Trick Williams [21:37]
• Balancing Ego and Reality:
  • Stays humble via family/friends:
    • “Like my mama, she'll let me know if I'm tripping…I always think about my mama. I know she's watching.” [16:03]
  • At home, Lash keeps it real:
    • “Once I take all that off, lash at the crib, like, take out the trash… just keeping it real.” [20:16]
• Industry Jealousy:
  • Acknowledges envy from veterans due to his rapid rise:
    • “Somebody who's been wrestling for 15 years…they look at me like, why is he in the top spot?” – Trick Williams [25:44]
  • Handles jealousy by brushing it off; physical safety is always top of mind [26:23].

Relationship with Lash Legend (Power Couple Dynamics)

• Benefits and Challenges:
  • Constantly together, offering mutual support, especially when touring or in unfamiliar environments:
    • “It help you feel a little bit more supported, you know, when you in these foreign rooms… I know my lady rock with me, regardless…” – Trick Williams [10:14]
  • Playful yet honest about home life roles and challenges (“she’s abusive… I need help” [14:22]).
• Origin Story:
  • Met at WWE Performance Center; both came out of previous relationships, friendship blossomed before romance.
  • Admits to being friend-zoned at the start, but worked his way out:
    • “She friend zone me quick. … Just being me. Had to. Baby steps. Work your way up.” [13:09, 13:43]
• Power Couple Status:
  • Not intentional but benefits their personal brands:
    • “You have double the reason to be invested into both of us now… It just works like that.” [14:02]

Representation & Black Talent in WWE

• New Era for Black Wrestlers:
  • Feels WWE (Nick Khan, Triple H) has allowed him to present his authentic self:
    • “They say… go be you, get yourself over… And it's been working.” [20:41]
  • Notes historic progress: multiple young black men being pushed from NXT to the main roster [21:27].

Wrestling’s Storytelling: Heel vs. Face

• Character Dynamics:
  • Enjoys being a heel (“bad guy”)—it offers more freedom and authenticity:
    • “As a good guy, I feel more like a politician… as a heel, I ain't worried about pleasing.” – Trick Williams [23:03]
  • On rumored “face turn”:
    • “Don't believe nothing you see online. … I'm always the bad guy.” [23:26, 23:40]
  • On crowd preferences:
    • "I don't think it even matter. Good guy, bad guy, people like what they like, period.” [24:31]

Wrestling Injuries, Hazards & The Reality of the Ring

• Unexpected Dangers:
  • Recounts taking real injuries—e.g., running into a barricade (six stitches), chair shot opening up his head during a match [26:55].
  • No stunt doubles; real risks exist.

NXT vs. WWE: Level Up

• NXT Compared to Stand-Up Comedy’s Def Comedy Jam:
  • “NXT is like Def Comedy Jam back in the day… gritty, underground feel.” – Trick Williams [29:13]
  • WWE’s Smackdown/Raw are the “mainstream.” NXT is hungrier, more intimate.
• Differences in Rules & Resources:
  • Surprisingly, NXT is more “strict” as younger talent needs more structure to avoid on-air mistakes [30:15].

WrestleMania & Ideal Opponents

• The WrestleMania Dream:
  • WrestleMania described as wrestling’s Super Bowl:
    • “60,000 fans, night one, 60,000 fans, night two… All the stars come out.” [32:04]
  • Feels immense pressure, but excited for his big match (“your boy’s gonna have a match, I guarantee you” [31:51]).
• On Who He Wants to Face:
  • Keeps it open:
    • “Whoever want it, man… Trick is the hottest new talent on the roster right now.” [32:36]

Personal Stories & Name Origin

• Name Inspiration:
  • Real name Mattrick—combo of dad’s (Patrick) and mom’s (Monica) names.
    • “You know how we do… Black people just love putting names together.” [33:02, 33:23]
• On Music:
  • Makes music and diss tracks in his spare time but isn’t pursuing rapping as a main career [25:04–25:13].

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• On wrestling’s “realness”:
  • “Yes, there’s a script attached to it… but the beauty is not in the script. It’s in the execution.”
    — Trick Williams [06:56]
• On representation:
  • “The better I do in this field, the better it is for people who look like me, period.”
    — Trick Williams [06:06]
• On crowd connection:
  • “The psychology behind getting 10,000 people to chant your name… the crowd reaction gotta be real, right?”
    — Charlamagne Tha God [07:25]
• On “Whoop That Trick” going viral:
  • “We went all the way to California in front of 5,000, and the whoop that Trick chants was crazy. … I beat Dominik, Mysterio, Rey, Mysterio’s son. And that's when we knew, like, okay, this movement is something crazy.”
    — Trick Williams [08:25]
• On his relationship with Lash Legend:
  • “She’s abusive. … Like, I need help.”
    — Trick Williams (joking) [14:22]
  • “I would take these challenges over the other challenges… of not seeing each other. … If she was at the crib… it'd be difficult.”
    — Trick Williams [11:23]
• On the pressure of success:
  • “Once the people get behind you, that's when the hard work really start. You in the hot seat.”
    — Trick Williams [09:03]
• On developing himself:
  • “Like, I gotta get myself popping. … Building my own brand.”
    — Trick Williams [21:37]
• On handling backstage hate:
  • “If he wasn’t 6 foot 5 and £250 and had abs and had the good hair and chains and talked so much trash, then he wouldn’t be that good… that may be just like everybody else.”
    — Trick Williams [26:03]
• On wrestling globally:
  • “I go to Jamaica on vacation. … They chant, whoop, that trick in patois.”
    — Trick Williams [31:19]
• On character freedom:
  • “I like being the bad guy, because when you the bad guy, you got more freedom to be yourself.”
    — Trick Williams [22:55]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:07] – Football to wrestling story
• [06:06] – On being Black in WWE
• [07:25] – On crowd psychology and “Whoop That Trick”
• [08:25] – When the “Whoop That Trick” movement exploded
• [10:14] – Working/traveling with fiancée Lash Legend
• [13:43] – Getting out of the friend zone with Lash
• [20:41] – Black representation and creative freedom in WWE
• [21:37] – On building his own brand
• [22:23] – Explaining face turn/heel philosophy
• [25:44] – Jealousy and ‘rookie’ status in wrestling
• [26:55] – Most painful, unplanned injury in the ring
• [29:13] – Explaining NXT vs. WWE
• [31:51] – WrestleMania as wrestling’s version of the Super Bowl
• [32:36] – On ideal WrestleMania opponents
• [33:02] – Real name origin (“Mattrick”)

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Takeaways

Trick Williams’ conversation is energetic, funny, real, and packed with insight on sports entertainment, authenticity, and personal growth. His story shows the importance of seizing unconventional opportunities, embracing identity, and carving a unique path—whether by turning a nickname into a movement or turning backstage skepticism into motivation. The dynamic with Lash Legend adds heart and humor, while the business and craft insights show Trick is as savvy outside the ring as he is charismatic inside.

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Transcript

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[DJ Envy]

Wake your ass up.

[Trick Williams]

The Breakfast Club. Y' all finished or y' all done?

[DJ Envy]

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. La Rose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building from the wwe. Trick Williams, ladies and gentlemen, welcome.

[Trick Williams]

Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. What's going on, everybody?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How are you?

[Trick Williams]

I'm doing good, man. Blessed be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Former South Carolina Gamecock wide receiver.

[Trick Williams]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[DJ Envy]

Shout out to the crib from Hampton University, sir.

[La Rosa]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't know about the Hampton thing. That's true.

[Trick Williams]

It is. It is.

[Commercial Narrator (Shopify)]

Wow.

[Trick Williams]

It is. I went to Hampton my first two years. Transferred.

[Angela Yee]

Okay, wow.

[Trick Williams]

Back to the crib.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's interesting.

[Trick Williams]

Yes, sir.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you know. You know he's. He went to Hampton.

[Trick Williams]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm from South Carolina.

[Trick Williams]

Of course. Mine's corner.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You already know.

[DJ Envy]

Yes, sir.

[Trick Williams]

Yes, sir.

[La Rosa]

You never stop past Baltimore?

[Trick Williams]

Nah, man, I never been. But I did. I got some seafood. Hey, I got some seafood.

[Angela Yee]

I know you ain't been in Delaware.

[DJ Envy]

So how'd you get into wrestling, man? How did this. This wrestling thing come about? Because you started with football. So how'd you get into wrestling?

[Trick Williams]

Right, man, it was accident. So, like you said, I started at Hampton University, transferred to South Carolina, then had a brief stint with the Philadelphia Eagles, where I went to camp. And then, long story short, I got cut from the Philadelphia Eagles. And trying to figure out what was next for my life, I had an agent who actually got me trying to give me some more tryouts and everything, then got me hooked up with the xfl. I think it was just a blessing because I never played for the xfl. As soon as they sent my information there, WWE reached out to me and said, are you interested in coming in for a tryout?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, so they reached out to you. So did you have wrestling background or did you ever do anything with wrestling.

[Trick Williams]

Never wrestled in my life. I was a fan. You know, at three years old, I opened a can of whoop ass watching Stone Cold Steve Austin. So, like, I was always a fan. I watched it, but I never thought about actually wrestling. Like, just didn't know it was an opportunity.

[DJ Envy]

So then you had to learn how to wrestle, right? Cause it's not just one of those things you can just go slap somebody, just open up a can of whoop ass. So when they reached out to you, was it a training process? It was a program break down. What happened? What got you into your first bout exactly?

[Trick Williams]

They brought me to Orlando. I tried out, and they said, yo, you got charisma, you got a good look and everything. But how do you try out if

[DJ Envy]

you never wrestled before?

[Trick Williams]

I mean, that's a good question, DJ. Let me tell you. So for 20 years, I played football, where if you're good at football, you stay on your feet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Very physical sport.

[Trick Williams]

A very physical sport. My first day of becoming a WWE Superstar, you learn how to fall, bump, cartwheel, flip, all this other stuff. So it wasn't natural to me. Like, I wasn't a gymnast. I'm still not a gymnast. So they didn't sign me. So I had to move to Philadelphia. Back to Philadelphia. I stayed with my uncle and I trained, I wrestled. Covid broke out. I stayed on the independent scene. You know, you can think about something similar to comedy or something like that, you know, before you make it big and, you know, you got your own shows and you on Wild n Out and stuff like that. You know, you on the Indies, you make a name for yourself. So I had to do that first. Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you feel pressure to represent, like, black culture in wrestling, or do you just show up and be yourself and let everything play out?

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, man, I can't be anything else than black, you know what I mean? I can't change my skin, you know what I mean? I'm raised how I was raised, and I feel like the better I do in this field, the better it is for people who look like me, period. But this is who I am. I can't change it.

[DJ Envy]

How difficult was it to learn wrestling into falling and whatever wrestling is? How difficult was that?

[Trick Williams]

It takes years. It takes years. Cause playing football is about getting the job done, Catching the touchdown, making the tackle, et cetera. Wrestling's everything, you know, I mean, we. We grab microphones, we talk trash. You know, we got to look good, we got to know our camera angles, we got to feed to the cameras, we got to do this. We got to do that. You got to be the ultimate showman to be good at the craft.

[La Rosa]

And a lot of people think that it's. It's fake, you know, obviously, whatever, but, like, it's. It's real. Like, y' all really getting hurt?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trick Williams]

I mean, my neck hurt right now, but, you know, the way. The way I got pictures like this. Okay, yes, there's a script attached to it. You know, it's predetermined, but, you know, y' all got scripts right now in front of your computer screen. If I had football questions, not scripts, you know, but we do. You know, we prepare. You know, if it's football, you got, you know, a playbook. Basketball, you got plays. The beauty is not in the script. It's in the execution. And Trey Williams is the best executor. So that's why I'm glad you said

[Charlamagne Tha God]

that, because I always wonder, what's the psychology behind getting 10,000 people to chant your name? Cause it might be a little scripted, but the crowd reaction gotta be real, right?

[Trick Williams]

Right, right. And that's the beauty of it, because some people do their job so well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean?

[Trick Williams]

There's something about him. The way he walks out and he just got that swag, that aura or something about her. You know what I mean? They like the way she look. It could be her smile. It could be the way, you know, the wind blow that day. Like, you never know what it is. Some people are just that good at

[Angela Yee]

the craft, and they yelling, whoop that trick when you coming out, and, like, they having a party when you walk out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a movement. Yeah, you created a whole movement with this.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, man. It was a blessing. You know what? I started nxt, where the crowd just adopted that. You know, my name being Trick Williams, my birth name being Mattrick. You know, Trick was a nickname, so it just. It fit and whooped. That Trick fit with Trick, and it took off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, Clarissa Shields does that, too.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She comes out to whoop that trick.

[Trick Williams]

She does. She does. That's exactly what she does, too.

[DJ Envy]

When did you know it was gonna work? Like, when was that time you was like, oh, they really catching on? You remember that match?

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, I would say. I would say when? So at nxt, we're in front of a set audience in Orlando, and we barely leave the house, like, 400, 500 fans, and they started chanting, whoop that trick there, which is cool. It's like. But we in the same crowd. You know what I mean? You don't really know how the world feels about you. Then we went all the way to California in front of 5,000, and the whoop that Trick chants was crazy. And I won my first title. I beat Dominique, Mysterio, Rey, Mysterio, son. And that's when we knew, like, okay, this movement is something crazy. And it hasn't slowed down since.

[DJ Envy]

Does WWE call you at that time, be like, hey, we gotta talk. We gotta get some things in. But do they call you when they start hearing it?

[Trick Williams]

Nah, nah, that's not how Shawn Michaels operate. You know, Shoot, when you start succeeding now, you in the hot seat, you know what I mean? It's like once you get your first album and it hit, now the pressure's on. Cause now you gotta follow up. You gotta be able to. You know what I mean? You gotta meet that pressure to everything that comes with that. So once the people get behind you, that's when the hard work really start. You in the hot seat.

[La Rosa]

How different is the wrestler metric? I mean, your metric from the wrestler Trick Williams?

[Trick Williams]

It depends who you ask. Like, people from high school, they be like, oh, that's who he is. Like, he always been like that. But I just turn it up when the red light's on, you know what I mean? I talk mo trash. I mean, you don't walk around life just pimp slapping people and talking trash. You know what I'm saying? There has to be a reason for it. You know what I mean? But you gotta be able to feel these true emotions on the inside somewhere to, you know, make it feel real when it's. When the camera on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What high school you went to?

[Trick Williams]

Kena.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you went to Kena. Okay, okay, sweetheart. To Kena.

[Trick Williams]

High School. All right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you really grew up in Columbia now?

[Trick Williams]

I'm right there. Right there. My family from St. Matthews, we low country.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, you and your fiance, Lash, Legend, Both of you guys made it to the main roster. And I saw you talking about how, like, that was like a cheat code. Cause y' all getting to travel the world and do all these things. So what's that been like?

[Trick Williams]

It's been amazing, man. You know, she's with me all the time. When I say all the time. All the time. So, you know, and, you know, it just. It help you feel a little bit more supported, you know, when you in these foreign rooms, when you dealing with people who are different than yourself, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know my lady rock with me, you know, regardless of how I go, regardless, you know, I debut on smackdown. Shoot. I'm good. My lady, you know, she here. So we make sure that we confident and we prepared to go put on the best show.

[DJ Envy]

Anybody running to your house, that's the worst house.

[Trick Williams]

And look, man. And people say, like, oh, they be nervous. They want to make sure that their partner does well when they perform and everything. My fiance, she's six foot. You know what I'm saying? 195, 200. Like basketball. You know, MVP, you know, Seattle Storm, all that. So I'll be nervous for her. I'd be nervous for everybody she in the ring with. You know, I mean, she liked to fight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Even Jade.

[Trick Williams]

Jade don't want that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jade.

[Trick Williams]

Look, I respect Jade, and, you know, she from. You know, she cool people. But there's only one Lash.

[La Rosa]

Is it challenging working with your fiance, too? Do you find any challenges with it? I know y' all are supportive of each other, but, you know, you still together?

[Trick Williams]

Yeah. I would take these challenges over the other challenges.

[La Rosa]

I got you.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah. Of not seeing each other. Cause, shoot, we never home. So, like, if she was at the crib, if was doing something else, then it'd be difficult.

[DJ Envy]

And how did y' all meet?

[Trick Williams]

In the business.

[DJ Envy]

In the business?

[Trick Williams]

Yeah. A lot of wrestlers date wrestlers. You know, that's just how it is. Like, you date where you at, you know? You know, that's a long nother story. I don't know if we got time for that. You know what I mean?

[Commercial Narrator (Shopify)]

So.

[Trick Williams]

All right, let's talk about it. Okay. Tripp Williams. So, you know, we had the PC. That's what we call where we train, the performance center. And, you know, it's just people from college, people from different backgrounds, people from what we call the Indies. Like I said before, football players, basketball players, all this sort of. I'll say 90% of people come in in a relationship two months in. I'll say there's about 5% of them still in that relationship, because that's just how the business is. Like, once you in it, it's like a whole nother world. And if you're not in it, a lot of people just don't understand, like, what you mean. You gotta stay in train with, you know, women who barely dress and everything, or why, you know, guys don't never got their shirt on. It's a lot for people, you know, who. Who not in it. Long story short, you know, I was in a low relationship, but, you know, me and Lash, we was cool. We was friends. And, you know, that didn't work out. So I Saw Lash, you know, and people thought we was talking different stuff like that, but no, we was just cool. We was just friends. I tried to, you know, press some game on her, cut a promo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What'd you say?

[Trick Williams]

Nothing. I was stumbling. I was stuttering all over the place.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Trick Williams]

I went, hit the trick shot. Yeah. And I'm a promo guy. Like, I like to talk.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Trick Williams]

And, you know, I went to talk to her. You and me together.

[Angela Yee]

She wasn't with it at first, though, right?

[Trick Williams]

Nah, she friend zone me quick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How do you know when you in the friend zone?

[Trick Williams]

I mean, she was like, nah, you my homie friend dat me up. That's friends. How did you feel in that moment? But I felt, you know what I'm saying, it was a friend zone, like, because, you know, she. All right, here's the truth about the matter, you know, she wasn't single neither. You know what I'm saying? So she did what she had to do. But, you know, we never crossed that line then and there. But, like, we just grew as friends. And then one day, man, you know, it is what it is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how'd you get out to friends, though, man?

[Trick Williams]

Just being me. Had to. Baby steps. Work your way up. Yeah. Once you get your big toe in, the rest, you know. Yeah.

[La Rosa]

He was our best friend. Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

How does it help you guys? Brands? Just because I know you have your singular brands, but together. Because now they're calling you, like, one of the wwe, like, power couples, straight up.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah. I mean, that was never the goal. Like, we wasn't trying to be a power couple, per se. You know, I just rot with her. But it definitely helps, you know what I mean? Like, you have double the reason to be invested into both of us now. Because, like, if you're a Tripp Williams fan, then you Rob with Lash. You Rob with Lash, you Rob with Trick. And, you know, it just works like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do y' all hit each other with wrestling moves around the house? Just randomly, like.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, man, she abusive. Damn, she abusive, man. Like, I need help.

[DJ Envy]

Clothesline you in there. Boom.

[La Rosa]

Do you wish you stayed a friend?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The funny thing.

[Trick Williams]

No, the funny thing is, you know, like, bro, she like the strongest girl in wwe. No Cap, you know what I'm saying?

[Angela Yee]

She no joke.

[Trick Williams]

She no joke. But in the house, she just so. Oh, help me. You know what I mean? Oh, no, we got lizard in the house. We stay in Florida. You know what I mean? I hate lizards. I'm like, but you did body slam with 300 pound man last night. You know what?

[Angela Yee]

I mean, but that means you put her in a really safe space because she's very successful. And I watched you guys on the Sports Bible to agree to disagree. I watched that, and I was. I loved how you guys interact because I can tell for her to be so successful, you're so successful as well. Normally, there's this, like, thing when you're a successful woman where you have to always, like, you're on guard and you're always protecting what you built. She just be fully like, my man's here. When. When you're. You know what I mean? That's a great thing to see.

[Trick Williams]

That's right. Lauren had to put my foot down. Sometimes you got a body, slam them and let her know, you know what I mean? Safely.

[Angela Yee]

We don't know if this is.

[DJ Envy]

I think she could beat you, though.

[Trick Williams]

I ain't gonna front, man. A lot of people think that.

[La Rosa]

Took off a coat and got on another coat.

[Trick Williams]

Let me tell you something about New York. Like, she say, normally, I don't got no shirt on, but today I was prepared, man.

[DJ Envy]

I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Last night, he from South Carolina in Florida. This wasn't no job.

[Trick Williams]

You never get used to it. Nah, man. No, I don't play that now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In wrestling, you gotta balance ego and storytelling, right? How do you stay confident without letting the character of Trick Williams consume the real you?

[Trick Williams]

I mean, honestly, I think just. Man, people around me keeping me grounded. Like my mama, she'll let me know if I'm tripping, you know what I mean? Before I cut a promo and I'm finna say something on live tv, I always think about my mama. I know she's watching. You know me shout out to my mama.

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[Trick Williams]

He had surgery last night, but, yeah, but the people around me just keep me grounded, man. Like, they always. You know what I mean? You know, once I take off the shades, the coat, the lemon pepper steppers.

[La Rosa]

I know that's right.

[Trick Williams]

You know what I'm saying? Once I take all that off, lash at the crib, like, take out the trash. You know what I mean? I like, oh, yeah, let me take out the trash. You know, just keeping it real

[Charlamagne Tha God]

historically, right? I feel like wrestling hasn't always portrayed black wrestlers with a lot of depth.

[Trick Williams]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, do you feel like this era is finally allowing black talent to show personality behind the stair, behind beyond the stereotypes?

[Trick Williams]

Right. I mean, first thing first, I gotta say, shout out to Nick Khan, Triple H. Because, man, they've allowed me to be myself, like, 100%. Like, all these promos I'm cutting, you know, all these different things, it come from my head. And they say, man, go be you. You know what I mean? Go get yourself over. Like, let's see. Let's see who you are. Let's see how it works. And it's been working, you know what I mean? And it's not just me. Like, three of us moved up from NXT together. Javon Evans, Obafemi, all brothers, and everybody's eating right now. And that's probably. You can't say any other time in the history of WWE that a young black man is, you know, come into the business and got pushed like this. So that's no shade to anybody who came before us. Because I'm grateful for, you know, the Shelton Benjamins, the Booker T's, et cetera. But, you know, they laid down footwork for us to get this opportunity.

[DJ Envy]

Now, wrestling is entertainment, but it's also a business as well. When did you realize the business and say, you know what? I have to make myself a brand so I could be seen and I could be heard. When did that come about?

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, I mean, very early. Because, like, I wasn't always like, you know, people's favorite, you know, people's pick. Like, I started off, I was like a hype man. I would talk trash on somebody else's behalf, and I wanted matches, I wanted the spotlight, I wanted that stuff. I was like, dang, man. Like, I need to make myself popping so I can get on the show myself. Right. You know what I mean? And so I started doing my own ventures on social media, you know what I mean? Making little skits, making rap songs. I make diss tracks, you know what I mean, on my opponents, doing whatever it tastes like, bro. Like I gotta get myself popping. And so I'm building my own brand now.

[Angela Yee]

At the same time, I was reading about a possible face turn that they're saying might happen with you and explain to the people because I had to teach myself last night. Yeah, it's where the villain goes to the good guy.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, that's right. Like in. In storytelling period, there's. There's a good guy, bad guy, you know, one on one, for storytelling. It gets more complex. But, you know, same thing that we do in wrestling. And right now I'm supposed to be what we call a heel, a bad guy. But you know what I mean? I'm one of those heels that people tend to like, you know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Everybody loves the heel.

[Trick Williams]

Everybody loves the hill.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stone Cole was a heel.

[Trick Williams]

Stone Cold was a heel.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He turned into a baby face, you know, ball.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, okay.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

A person who don't really watch, y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Angela Yee]

I always know there's good guy, bad guy, but I didn't know that the terms of it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Rock was a hill, the Rock

[Trick Williams]

was a hill, Hollywood rock, you know. And see, me personally, I like being the bad guy because when you the bad guy, you got more freedom to be yourself.

[La Rosa]

Yeah.

[Trick Williams]

You know, when you. You gotta live in this little box when you're a good guy. Like, hey, how you doing, kids? Hey, let me sign this for you. You know what I mean? That's not real life. I feel more like a politician, you know what I mean? As a good guy, as a heel, I ain't worried about pleasing.

[DJ Envy]

I ain't signing your damn autograph. Tell them, punk ass kid.

[Trick Williams]

I mean, I still might sign, but you know what I mean?

[Angela Yee]

But so it is. Actually that is gonna. That's the thing. Cause it's reported, but I haven't seen it.

[Trick Williams]

Oh, man, don't believe nothing you see on. Y' all know, that's what I'm asking. Online is online, it was reported that

[Angela Yee]

the face turn is happening. That you're going to go from the bad guy to the man.

[Trick Williams]

Don't believe Twitter. Nah, Twitter, they say what they want to say.

[La Rosa]

So you still the bad guy right now?

[Trick Williams]

I'm always the bad guy.

[La Rosa]

Okay. That's why you saying don't believe it, don't believe it.

[Trick Williams]

I mean, it doesn't matter, because at this point, I just gotta stay Trick Williams, you know what I mean? That's what's working. Good guy, bad guy. I gotta talk my trash. I gotta look good. I gotta wear a coat underneath my coat. None of that. I ain't gonna have no shirt on. Let's talk about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's crazy. Cause I'm thinking about it. I don't think there's a good guy I ever really liked. I always liked the bad guy. Even, like.

[Trick Williams]

You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I like when Hulk Hogan became Hollywood hog.

[Trick Williams]

Ho. Yeah. What about Cena?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To me, he's like a heel too, I guess. I mean, he did. He turned to a good guy.

[Angela Yee]

He's kind of heroist, though.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah. Cena was a good guy pretty much majority of his career until, like, this last little run.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. I like Sting when he was jumping out the Raptors.

[Trick Williams]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, dressed in all black.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, he's a good guy. Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But we didn't know for so long what he was when he went to the Crow era.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I don't know. I don't know.

[Trick Williams]

To me personally, like, I don't think it even matter. Good guy, bad guy, people like what they like, period. You know what I mean? That's how I look at it. Like, good guy, bad guy. I don't really care. Like, I just wanted to be good and entertaining. That's all I care.

[Angela Yee]

When I looked at it, I was like, okay, this just means they know that the star is rising. So they're trying to make sure that they, like, put around you whatever you need. Because, I mean, you're already huge in it. But they see it getting bigger because everyone likes you. You're likable.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it is a compliment. So, yeah, I say I just wanted to be good. I don't really care.

[La Rosa]

You said you used to make diss tracks. You. You do music. You're into music.

[Trick Williams]

I do music. You know what I mean? Like, I ain't gonna say, like, oh, I'm hard down trying to be a rapper, but, you know, I'm musically talented.

[La Rosa]

Yeah, yeah. Something that you do in your free time.

[Trick Williams]

Something I do in my free time.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[La Rosa]

Do you make your own? You still make the music or you still make it when you were a hype man? Okay.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, I still make music. I still got some projects that I'm waiting to leak out, but, you know. Yeah. Just waiting for the right time.

[La Rosa]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

And is there heavy jealousy in wrestling? Cause I Look at it like it's. But so many wrestlers that can make it to that spotlight, right? So it gotta be wrestlers hating on each other, Gotta be heavy jealousy. It's not like where there's bunch of teams, bunch of positions. Like wrestling is very small. Do you deal with a lot of jealousy and how do you handle it all the time?

[Trick Williams]

I think that's in every field. But in wrestling specifically, I'm new to the game of wrestling, you know what I mean? I played football for 20 years. I've been wrestling for five, six years. So to somebody who's been wrestling for 15 years, they look at me like, why is he in the top spot? You know what I mean?

[La Rosa]

Like, you a rookie.

[Trick Williams]

I'm a rookie. You know what I mean? If he wasn't 6 foot 5 and £250 and had abs and had the good hair and chains and talked so much trash, then he wouldn't be that good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a lot of hate.

[Trick Williams]

That may be just like everybody else, you know what I'm saying? But like, that's the game of wrestling, you know, Point blank, period. So, man, you know how that is. You just, you shove that off.

[La Rosa]

But anybody ever try to hurt you in a ring behind that?

[Trick Williams]

I hope not, because I mean. Cause at that point you gotta defend yourself. Yeah. Has that happened?

[La Rosa]

No, I'm saying, has it happened? Has anybody ever tried to.

[Trick Williams]

I don't.

[La Rosa]

I don't think off script and really like try to hurt you.

[Trick Williams]

I don't think it's pure malicious intent. There's some people who are just throwed off in light violence and if they do something like that, they expect for you to do the same thing back to them. But you know, somebody's saying, I don't like trick and I'm gonna try to punch him in the face as hard as I can.

[DJ Envy]

What's the worst thing that happened to you in the ring? That wasn't planned.

[Trick Williams]

Mm. I tell you, man, I ran straight into a barricade ends. I got six stitches right here. It's bleeding on TV now. I'll take that back. I was climbing a cage, a match I wasn't even in. Mind you, I was still a hype man. And dude just hit me with a chair like through the gate and kind of sliced me open right here. You know, a brutal match called war games, when, you know, weapons are allowed, but, you know, stuff happens, you know,

[La Rosa]

he was really trying to get in.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, right. You know, no stunt doubles. You gotta do whatever.

[DJ Envy]

So when you say hype man, Break that down. What a hype man is. Cause you said that wasn't your match. So you just was in the back, like, it.

[Trick Williams]

I'm coming, you know, like, like, like, like. Come on, come on.

[DJ Envy]

I said, what you want me to do with this? I said, paul, up.

[Trick Williams]

Yo.

[DJ Envy]

But back. Explain to people what a hype man is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you want me to do with.

[Trick Williams]

What you want me to do with that, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you Hampton Pirates, we supposed to

[Trick Williams]

look out for another.

[DJ Envy]

So explain what a hype man is for people that don't.

[La Rosa]

I've ever heard of a hype man in wrestling.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, like, you know, Busta Rounds, you know, Spiff. You know what I mean? Like, you know, Busta is the main attraction, you know? And I was a guy making sure that, hey, my guy wins at all times. I'm doing everything in my power to make sure that they look like a million bucks. Gotcha. And I did it. Well, but, you know, that was the fun part. Like, you can build a rapport with the audience. You know, you get comfortable in these different settings and scenarios. You know, I'm on the microphone. I'm doing intros and all this different stuff. I'm getting better and leveling up, you know, on somebody else's behalf, you know, just growing behind the scenes, you know, I mean, just working on my craft until, you know, I became the guy.

[DJ Envy]

Do you pick that? Cause, like, somebody be like, just random dude. Like, I'm gonna be tricks hype man and just start.

[Trick Williams]

Nah, nah, it's not like that. I mean, like, there's a lot of people who make decisions who kind of put you in position. But what the problem was, like, I was new into wrestling, so you can't just walk in and be good, you know, I mean, it's like any other craft. You got to take years and years and years to brush up on your moveset and being a performer. And I needed those reps in time to develop Gotcha.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How different is Next from wwe?

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, so I was. I would say NXT is like Def Comedy Jam back in the day, where, you know what I mean? It wasn't like the mainstream, but had that good, gritty, underground feel, you know what I mean? As opposed to, like, you know, the big specials and everything like that. The kings of comedy. That's Smackdown and Raw, you know what I mean? But Def Comedy Jam, that's how we feel. You know, it's more intimate, it's more raw. Like, people hungry. I would say, like college sports, but they're getting paid now, so so is

[Charlamagne Tha God]

it the same level of resources and everything else?

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Same performance center with bass right there in Orlando. People hungry, man, like, all different backgrounds, like martial artists, you know, basketball, football, hockey, table tennis. You know, Indies, like, everybody who's trying to break into the business and blow up, you know, they got to come through NXT more times than I.

[DJ Envy]

You miss football at all?

[Trick Williams]

Sometimes I look at it like they just had the combine last week. I'm like, man, like, you know, I feel like there's some untapped potential out there, but I feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be, so I'm cool with it.

[La Rosa]

Is. Is more. Is it more rules at WWWE compared to NXT? Like, y' all could get away with more at next.

[Trick Williams]

Well, nxt, I would say now it's way more, like, way more strict at NXT because you're not as polished. So they want to make sure that you don't do nothing crazy or stupid on tv. At nxt, like, people been in the business three minutes, you know what I mean? And they on live television, so, you know, there's more producing, there's more making sure that people are prepared for tv. By the time you get to smackdown the Raw, it's literally your own brand. Like, go do what you gotta do to make it work. Under the confines of what they give you permission, of course.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it still lucrative?

[Trick Williams]

Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Like, definitely worth the switch from football to wrestling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Would you rather be a Hall of Fame wide receiver or hall of Fame?

[Trick Williams]

And wrestling, I'll say this, what I love about wrestling being a superstar is the fact I am a superstar. I took the helmet off, and people know me in different countries, man. I go to Jamaica on vacation. You know, these whoop, that trick in patois.

[La Rosa]

Yeah.

[Trick Williams]

You know what I mean? I go to Mexico and Saudi Arabia, man. They only speak English. They chant, whoop, that trick. Football is a beautiful sport. I played it for 20 years, but it's very American, you know what I mean? Like, wrestling, you good around the world. So it's just a whole different feeling that even though what's out there, you live in that matrix or whatever you doing, but once you branch out, you'd be like, whoa, wrestling is huge, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know. WrestleMania 42 is happening in April. How does WrestleMania feel? Because to me, on the outside looking in, I always look at that as wrestling.

[Trick Williams]

Super bowl. It is. Okay. Yeah, it is Super Bowl. It's right back in Las Vegas again this year. Las Vegas is full of Shows, entertainment, magic shows. But we are the show to come to see the 18th and 19th April, and your boy's gonna have a match, I guarantee you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it pressure?

[Trick Williams]

It's a lot of pressure. Like you said, it's a Super bowl, and, like, that's what everybody. That's what it's all about. You know what I mean? Like, you wanna. You wanna main event wrestlemania, you wanna have a match on the biggest stage of them all. 60,000 fans, night one, 60,000 fans, night two. 120,000 different people there chanting your name, going crazy. Like, that's what it's all about. The biggest lights possible, the biggest production. All the stars come out. It's a good feeling. Yeah, man. It's about to go down.

[La Rosa]

Who is your ideal opponent for WrestleMania 42?

[Trick Williams]

Whoever want it, man. You know, I ain't trying to brag, but you know what I'm saying? Like, Trick is the hottest new talent on the roster right now. So, I mean, anybody who's trying to get a little jump back into their deal, they want to take on Trick Williams for WrestleMania. Absolutely.

[DJ Envy]

We appreciate you for joining us, and good luck. WrestleMania goes down to eighth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was your name supposed to be Matric, or was it supposed to be something else like Matrix or something?

[Trick Williams]

My name is Magic Man. My dad's name is Patrick. My mom named Monica, and you know how we do. You know what I'm saying? You from South Carolina. You know how it goes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Trick Williams]

Yeah, yeah. So my mama's middle name is Monique.

[Angela Yee]

Named Rosa. Lo. Rosa. Yeah, I've been doing that.

[Trick Williams]

You know how we do, man? We creative like that.

[Angela Yee]

That's crazy, because I thought you was

[La Rosa]

a little Spanish until I. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Lauren LaRosa.

[Angela Yee]

I didn't know my mom. His mom is Patrick. His mom. I mean, his dad is Patrick, his mom's mom. It's the same thing. Black people just love putting names together.

[La Rosa]

Yeah. Okay.

[Trick Williams]

Well, there you have it.

[DJ Envy]

It's Trick Williams from the wwe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

[Trick Williams]

Let's talk about it. Thank y'.

[La Rosa]

All haven't so confused about Every day I wake up.

[Trick Williams]

Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We are finished or y' all done?

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[Trick Williams]

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