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This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human hey, what up y'? All? It's DJ Envy and the holidays are here. The time of year that's all about connecting with loved ones in person or over the phone. In fact, hearing someone's voice can emote a similar emotional response as a hug. And while most of us can hop on a video chat to really bring that connection to life, using tech isn't easy for everyone, especially some of the older folk in our lives. And AT&T has been doing something special here to help. They offer digital literacy workshops that help older adults learn how to use technology to do things most of us take for granted, like video conferencing and sharing photos. Take Nancy Shand. She joined one of AT&T's workshops to learn how to video chat for the first time this holiday season. Nancy won't just be hearing about family gatherings, she'll be a part of them, sharing stories, opening presents, and making memories all through a screen. Nobody should have to go through the holiday season alone, so be sure to connect and stay connected to your loved ones this holiday season. Connecting changes everything. AT&T. You know I love a fresh start and I'll be doing that with my own Shopify store. Reviewing what worked this year and mapping out I'm leveling up in 2026. Shopify is the best place to start and grow your business. Which is exactly why I chose it for Mind. Whether you're running a side hustle or building an empire selling locally or globally, Shopify takes the guesswork out of all of it. Shopify has thousands of templates ready to go. Just pick one that matches your vibe and you're off. Plus Shopify Sidekick with their AI tools, those two are total game changers. It's like having your own personal assistant giving you direction, helping with reports, content, ideas, everything. 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OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at. Don't sleep on OSA.com this information is provided by Lily, a medicine company. I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything in every body. You don't lie about that, right? Lauren came in hot. Hey y', all, what's up? It's Lauren LaRosa and this is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news, and all of the conversations that shake the room. So checking in behind the scenes of the grind. We are a few days out from Christmas and I mean, I feel great. I haven't had to wake up at 4 o' clock in the morning because the Breakfast Club is supposed to be on a vacation. But we've been working a little bit. We got some special things coming that we will talk about about soon here on the podcast in reaction. So make sure you guys are following, you know, the Breakfast Club over on socials because some things will be releasing. But I'm excited to get home to my family. After we record this episode, I'll actually be driving to where me and my family will be celebrating Christmas and you know, just be home, just be home, be chilling. I'm gonna start cooking. I might start cooking tonight actually, and then, you know, and tomorrow morning we'll be cooking as well too. But I'm excited to be with the family Christmas is the holiday where like my, all of my family gets together. So for Thanksgiving is more of like immediate family. And my immediate family is kind of small. It's really just me, my brother, my grandma and my niece. But my, my, my larger family is pretty large. My Grandmom's mom had 15 children. Not all alive anymore, but you can imagine how many kids they have. So I have a lot of cousins and uncles, all of that. So on Christmas day we'll all get together and I'm just excited to be around family and to not be in nobody business but my own, in the Mac and cheese's business. That's it. That, that I'm, I am really excited for that. So that is where we're headed. But in the meantime, in between time, let's get on into the latest. Hey, what's up, y'? All? It's DJ Envy. And the holidays are here. The time of year that's all about connecting with loved ones in person or over the phone. In fact, hearing someone's voice can evoke a similar emotional response as a hug. And while most of us can hop on a video chat to really bring that connection to life, using tech isn't easy for everyone, especially some of the older folk in our lives. AT&T has been doing something special here to help. They offer digital literacy workshops that help older adults learn how to use technology to do things most of us take for granted, like video conferencing and sharing photos. Take Nancy Shand. She joined one of AT&T's workshops to learn how to video chat for the first time. This holiday season, Nancy won't just be hearing about family gatherings. She'll be a part of them, sharing stories, opening presents, and making memories all through a screen. Nobody should have to go through the holiday season alone. So be sure to connect and stay connected to your loved ones this holiday season. Connecting changes everything. AT&T. What's up? It's big long from it's up There podcast. On this episode, we're unpacking the difference between toxic love and a real bond. How so many of us were taught to survive love instead of experiencing it. A lot of men think being solid means being silent. I'm good. I got it. That's the script we memorize before we even know ourselves. Because somewhere along the line, it expression got labeled weakness. So now we perform composure while we're falling apart. You'll share your body, but not a conversation. And that's not intimacy. But what if being a man really means you care enough to communicate Real love isn't loud, it's consistent. It's the small things, the small check ins, the shared accountability, the honesty that feels awkward but keeps everyone safe. Stop confusing numbness with dependability. We gotta break the cycle and break the pattern. This special episode of It's Up There podcast with Lone, brought to you by Healthy Sexual from Gilead sciences on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Did you know Microsoft has officially ended Support for Windows 10? Upgrade to Windows 11 with an LG Gram laptop, voted PCMag's Reader's Choice top laptop brand for 2025. Thin and ultra lightweight, the LG Gram keeps you productive anywhere, and Windows 11 gives you access to free security updates and ongoing feature upgrades. Visit lgusa.com iheart for great seasonal savings on LG Gram laptops with Windows 11. PCMag reader's choice used with permission. All rights reserved. This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or osa, in adults with obesity? They may be happening to you without you knowing. If anyone has ever said you snored loudly, or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability and concentration issues, it may be due to osa. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at. Don't sleep on osa.com this information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company. The world's best ski and snowboard athletes are chasing medals. Now you can follow their every move. Join Insider, the official US Ski and Snowboard Fan loyalty program, and get premium viewing at World cup ski events, exclusive athlete meetups, discounts from brands you love, and a custom welcome gift mailed direct to your doorstep this winter. Show your support as they race for the podium. Head to insider.usski and snowboard.org and join today. So one of the releases I've been, you know, watching a lot of interviews and just television in general these last couple days because I've had the time Charlemagne sat down with Angie Martinez and when he had mentioned to me that he was doing Angie Martinez's in Real Life podcast, I was really excited to just because Angie Martinez on her show on the radio is fire. Y' all know Angie Martinez, icon, legend, gets to the things that a lot of people can't get to. And she does it in such a caring and like wholesome way. I felt like talking to her feels like a hug. And that is One of my biggest goals, to be able to make people feel that way. But I do feel like watching her on her podcast is mean. It's like Angie Martinez 2.0, honestly, 4.0. I, I, I think Angie Martinez 2.0 is like, it doesn't even do justice for the conversations she's able to have with her In Real Life podcast. So her In Real Life podcast was birthed after she got into a very serious car accident, you know, one where, you know, it was really bad for her. She was going through her own things with, you know, life and death and, you know, just recovering from how serious the accident was at the time. And it made her start having really serious conversation just about, you know, like, life and what life has been and where it's going and, you know, where it could have stopped and things like that. And she's taken that into her conversations with her talent on the podcast. So, I mean, I mean, it's Angie Martinez. So she's had everybody but her and Charlamagne sat down for an interview, and they talked about a lot of things. They talked about, you know, just career, where he's going. And the podcast conversation itself is centered around, not centered around, but, you know, this all comes in time and around the time of, you know, $200 million, I Heart Media deal announcement that he did, and just, you know, some press that he's doing, just talking about where he's been, where he's going and where he is right now. So this was a great conversation, wanted to dive into it. So one of the things that Charlamagne and Angie Martinez talked about, that I was like, man, this is such a good conversation to hear both of them discuss, because both of them come from such a different time in media, such a different time in radio, a different time in interview, a different time in celebrity. And it's like, it's crazy because everyone that they talked about during this interview, both of them have experienced these people personally, but in very different ways. So they start the conversation. I start. But I mean, I guess this is more toward the beginning of the conversation. I mean, they've talked about, they talk about, you know, Charlemagne and, like, his marriage and being a good husband and just all those things. And one of the things that I thought was interesting, Charlemagne had mentioned that he went to anguilla for his 40th birthday, which was crazy to me because I remember being at TMZ and then talking about going to Anguilla to celebrate Charlemagne's birthday, but I didn't know Charlemagne at the time. But he talked about being in anguilla for his 40th birthday. And he talked about, you know, at that time, he had begun to make that, like, switch of, like, I want my life to be this certain way. So everything I do has to align with that. Everything I. I discuss the people I bring into my life, the decisions I'm making, and it's weird. There's, like, this. This. This thing that I always have a really hard time with putting into words to other people, but it's, like, something that you feel. So he talked about. His wife had made this, like, collage video of all of his friends talking just about him and, you know, celebrating him for his birthday. And he said he bawled crying after she played the video. And when I heard this, I was like, okay, talk about alignment and talk about being. Because I'm always worried, like, okay, am I as in tune with my faith and my journey? And is my, like, passageway to hear God as clear as it should be? Because there's a lot going on. There's a lot of noise in what I do. And when I heard this, I'm like, oh, no, girl, you were right on track. When he talked about, you know, seeing it clearly and hearing it clearly, like, okay, if this is the life you say you want to live, here's what you should be doing. And there's, like, this refresh of, like, new life and new energy, and, like, basically, you're on track. I've felt that so many times in so many different ways, but it's, like, such a hard thing to describe to people. So when I heard that, and then, you know, you hear Angie Martinez as well, like, just talking about, you know, some of her life experience, too, and just, you know, like, I think for people who have reached a certain level of success, there's always those, like, epiphany moments. But I think for people who reach a certain level of success, and it's not just, like, outward success, so it's not just about, like, the money that you're making, the job that you receive, but how successful. How successful have you been with actually changing the person that you show up as in the midst of it, right? And I think Angie Martinez has grown in front of our eyes. Charlamagne has grown in front of so many people from their generation, in their time have grown in front of our eyes. And, you know, as I'm doing things and figuring things out, like, I want to grow as well. So hearing just that conversation in general, I was like, okay, this is the confirmation that, like, girl, you're not crazy. Like, you know that the things that you're hearing, the things that you're feeling are very in line and in tune with your purpose and what God has happening for you and. And where he sees you and how he sees you and not even sees you, but how he's designed you to be and to walk on this earth like you're in alignment. Just. Just stay steadfast and keep listening. Like, sometimes you push back. Keep listening. And then the conversation came up about Wendy Williams, because Angie Martinez was talking to him about, you know, just things and times in his past that he's regretted. Right. Let's take a listen. I used to work with Wendy, and Wendy was the one. Cause I got with Wendy, I was really compromising myself for a position. Like, I was really the pit bull. Like, purposely. That was my job. And she would be like, get, get, get them. I want you to get that person. You know? But she wasn't enough. She wasn't doing enough. Well, she was trying to make the transition. Oh, that's what she was trying to make the transition to television. Oh, she was trying to do good, good. Cut back. Absolutely. And it was just. It would be sometimes where, like, my conscience would be like, why? Like, and one I always remember is Kelly Rowland. Like, she was like, get her. And I'm like, kelly Rowland. Like, why? Like, what did Kelly Rowland do and what did you do? I think I came up with this angle. Like, we both know how it feels to be sidekicks. So I'm a sidekick to Wendy. She's a sidekick to Beyonce. It's straight, stupid, disrespectful shit for no reason. And I remember when Kelly wanted to do Breakfast Club, Lala hit me like, you know, yo, Kelly wants to do Breakfast Club. But she was like, when she met you with Wendy, it was some bullshit, basically. So immediately I apologized to her before she even walked in the studio. And when we got on air, and I wrote about that story in my book, because I always tell, tell people, don't compromise yourself for a position. Like, what the hell was I attacking Kelly Rowland for? Like, just because she's, like, the nicest. Don't bother. No, she's like, body. She's just like the purest little soul. You see what I'm saying? And I still don't even know what the issue was. Was she. Was she gracious to your apology? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I love Kelly. Me and Kelly, like, we super. What's up, y'? All? This is big known from. It's up there. Podcast. In this powerful episode, we're breaking down the danger of silence and how way too many of us are taught to protect the vibe instead of protecting ourselves. We spend more time researching cars, microphones, sneakers. Then we will researching on how to protect our bodies and our partners. If you have an honest conversation, one uncomfortable minute can save you a lifetime of regrets. Regret. 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This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or osa, in adults with obesity? They may be happening to you without you knowing. If anyone has ever said you snored loudly, or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability and concentration issues, it may be due to osa. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at don'tsleep on OSA.com this information is provided by Lilly a medicine company. The world's best ski and snowboard athletes are chasing medals. Now you can follow their every move. Join Insider, the official U.S. skill ski and Snowboard Fan loyalty program, and get premium viewing at World cup ski events, exclusive athlete meetups, discounts from brands you love, and a custom welcome gift mailed direct to your doorstep. 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And he talked a bit about too, you know, just understanding people differently in different areas of that life, in different areas of their life. So in that era, he was working with the Williams. He's living with her and Kevin Hunter, who senior, who was Wendy Williams husband at the time, who she, you know, went on to divorce. That's also who Wendy Williams had her, her son with, Kevin Hunter Jr. But, you know, I think at that point he, you know, he had been fired. He was, you know, doing what he could do to figure things out and no excuse at all because I, I think the whole like, compromising yourself for a position thing, I. It. That's always like, that's always something that I. When you are a person really trying to grow and figure things out, you think about. I know I think about that all the time. Like, you know, when I'm saying yes to things or saying no to things or, you know, when I'm choosing not to be involved with certain people or whatever. Like a lot of times I always consider, and I consider it a different way because I feel like I've always been a person that, like, I'm not really. Like, there's not much I'm going to compromise at all. Like, I really don't know how to be that way. I can be very cordial, I can be silent, but I can't. Like, I, I can only live in like, this, like, created environment or space or whatever so that things just flow the way that they're supposed to. But so long, eventually the nurturing. I care about you. I want everybody to win. Whatever in me is like, okay, I can't do this anymore. And I think for me, I've always thought about it like that. Like, sometimes I feel like that comes back to bite me in the butt. Like caring about people in a way that sometimes they don't care about me or just Being very considerate of people in a way that they're not considerate of me. I feel like it's the opposite of me. Like, I've never been a person who's just, like, nasty and, like, could, like, come. Like, I'm not coming for you unless you send for me. And every now and then, I could be a little shady. Like, I got my moments, but if I say something and I feel away, I stand on it, at least in that moment. But even in those time, I've always thought about, like, okay, your. Your. Your. Your thought process and your opinion of people change. Like, me as a person. I've changed today so much than I was last week. So much. And I was last month. So when I'm publicly giving opinions about people or reporting on people, like, I never wanted to come off as if I'm trying to just be nasty to a person or like, anything like that, because it's like, I may feel away in a moment or feel away based on certain things that's in a. You know, the media or the cycle. But, like, you get to really know these people. Or even if not, even if you never really get to know these people, you just move on with life. You experience things, you may get put in the same positions, and literally your thought process changes. So even if before that it wasn't true, it's very true. And it's very different now where, like, I'm definitely one of them people, where I'm like, I try my hardest to be fair. I will. I try my hardest to be fair. The people don't be thinking it's a thing. There are so many people who think I'm just, like, messy. And I'm like, that's not. I try so hard to be fair because I think about how much things I've messed up, how many crazy things I've done, said or whatever. And I'm like, if someone was reporting on me, the minimum I would want is for them to be fair and for them to hear me out. So heard them, right? But I think it was in hearing that and looking back on. Because you guys know Wendy Williams came on to the Breakfast Club. And, like, you know the first interview that Wendy Williams did where she was breaking down crying just about her situation and her guardianship, and we could take a listen to a little bit of that. That interview skyrocketed. Everything for Wendy in her fight against her conservatorship. You know, I think I remember after we recorded the interview, Envy asked me, like, you think this is gonna be Everywhere. I was like, are you crazy? Like, this is literally going to stop the world tomorrow. Because we taped it one day, it was going to air the next morning, and it did just that. But I also remember having a conversation with Charlemagne when he had first said to me, way before we did any interview, Charlamagne has said, you know, Wendy Williams and I have been talking, she been reaching out, whatever. Like, he said it so casually. And I was like, wait, you and Wendy have been having conversation? And he was like, yeah, you know, she been calling me, this is what's going on, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, why didn't you say anything? Like, do you know that the world would literally like be on pins and needles to know what you guys relationship was like today? Because even when Wendy Williams did her documentary, or when whoever did it, because I know she's fighting that documentary in court, right? With a lifetime. Even when that documentary happened, there was a lot of people who were like, trying to figure out if there was any involvement from Charlemagne and why that part of her life wasn't depicted more with him more active and because he's such a big name now and people wanted to hear from him and just see his like, take on the story, which didn't happen. So I remember saying to him, like, yo, people would love to hear that. But he was very set on, like, nah, that's not for the people. Like, she checking in, you know, I'm in a good place mentally. I'm just making sure she's straight. And at that point, he wasn't even doing much for her, was just like literally answering the phone. And then there was one day he mentioned something about having a conversation with her. So this was. I wasn't on air at this point. I was just producing the show. So I was behind the scenes and Jess was on air and in casual conversation. That day, while we were filming the show, Charlemagne had mentioned to me that it spoken to Wendy Williams. And I was asking him because there were reports about, you know, just her health and all these things. And I'm like, you know, do you think she is well enough to be able to get on radio or do anything in that space, podcast, whatever the case may be. He was like, yeah, I think she's, you know, ready. And I said, can we talk about that on air? Well, if. If I produce this segment and, and throw the oop, you know, where Jess is giving you a platform to be able to say that. Not a platform, but like a segue to be able to say that, will you Mention that on air, like, are you comfortable with that? And I was always very sensitive to it because, you know, I understand the dynamic, especially coming from like a TMZ where there's a trauma in. In. In this. Like, there's a There. There. People don't understand that there can be a trauma in working in this industry because this industry is so glamorized. But I got it. I understood it. So when he would have certain hesitations, I would get it. But I remember asking him, like, you know, you're okay with talking about that? And he was like, yeah. I mean, I guess, like, people gonna care about that. I'm like, let's take a listen. I spoke to Wendy over the holidays. He did? Yeah. Yeah. What happened? She would seem perfectly fine to me. Like, Wendy sound like she could do radio tomorrow if she wanted to. Ain't nothing capacitated about Wendy Williams. How was her energy? How was she sound? Like Wendy Williams trying to tell you? Like there was. There was. She didn't miss. Skip a beat. She actually said to me when she called me, she was like, why are you answering the phone? Like, we just. We just spoke yesterday. We just talked last week. Like, she wanted me to be more excited. Ain't nothing incapacitated about Windows. So that clip picked up everywhere. I mean, People Magazine, Page 6, Shade Room, Hollywood Unlock, like black, white, indifferent. Whatever media outlet you could think about naturally picked up that clip, right? And it's because of the dynamic in how iconic of a voice Charlemagne has become, but how iconic of a voice Wendy Williams has been for so many years. So to hear him talk about this, I'm like, oh, okay, here's where a lot of the trauma is coming from. And, you know, people ask me all the time, we. We haven't really leaned into the Wendy Williams stuff a lot at all. I know I talk about it here on the podcast sometimes, and I bring you guys updates. And I. And I'm very honest when I bring you guys updates and letting you know, like, okay, I reached out to the attorneys that I could reach out to. Haven't heard anything back. My. My correspondence with Wendy Williams team and even her. I haven't talked to Wendy Williams in months, like, a long time. But just her attorneys in general has been, you know, scarce to none because things are just different behind the scenes now. And he got into that a bit. Let's take a listen. How do you feel about forgiveness for that type of stuff? Like you said, you cut people off fast, right? But, like, even in that moment, even in the moment with Wendy and her saying, get him. And you having to apologize to Kelly and just learning from that. And she forgived you. Right. Clearly. I don't know, do you forgive yourself or do you forgive other people or do you just kind of cut people out? Like I would even imagine with Wendy, there had to be some type of. I don't know. It is. But, you know, the thing with Wendy is like. Like earlier this year, you know, we were helping her, right, because she was in a bad situation. But then, you know, you see some things that remind you of that old energy, and you're like, I don't really want that in my life. No. Love her. Wish you the best. You know, glad we was able to, you know, connect her with certain people. But then when you see even how she might have treated the certain people you connected her with, you know, so it's just like, eh, let me, you know, I wish her the best, you know, want the best for her. But that was a season in my life. And I always say people come into your life for, you know, reasons. Seasons and, you know, sometimes lifetimes, those lifetime ones are very rare. But, you know, you appreciate the seasons and, you know, move on to the next one. And it was influential to you? Like, it helped you a lot? Absolutely. Oh, man, I wouldn't be. I probably wouldn't be in the position I'm in now if it wasn't for that. And I don't even like to have those type of hypothesis, hypothetical conversations because the reality is I'm in the position I am because that was part of my journey. Coming from South Carolina, I was in Columbia at the time. I think Columbia's market number 93. Jesus. To go from market number 93 to market number one being Wendy Williams, co host, like you, who. Who gets. Who gets that kind of look, like that's some stuff you see in a movie or, you know, you watch on a TV show and be like, yo, that's damn near impossible. You would have probably done anything she told you to do, right? I was like, yo, I did do damn near anything she told me to do. Like, yes. Yeah, I was her attack dog. Like, not only that, I was living with her, like, living with them. Like, they were giving me a place to stay. I wasn't getting paid. I didn't get paid for like a year and a half. But I do that, though. And that's why I always tell the next generation, recognize opportunity when it's not a paycheck attached to it. And when I heard this, mind you, this is the first time I've ever heard him publicly speak about, you know, where he is with forgiveness when it comes to Wendy and just kind of right now where their relationship lies. I was like, okay, he's getting to a point where this is like Charlemagne. Like it's weird. It's like when people experience like trauma and deal with traumatic people in their life, I think sometimes dealing with those people can take you back to the place that you were at when you were being traumatized. Right? So like Charlemagne, the God is a 200 million dollar deal man in a partnership with iheartmedia in the breakfast in the Breakfast Club and you know, Black Effect Podcast network. But in dealing with Wendy Williams, I think there are, and I don't know if he would say this, this is just me from the outside looking in and things that I was always very careful about and pushing him of. Like, you know, sometimes I would have to call him and say, hey, can you call such and such or has she called you? When she calls you, can you ask it? Like ask this, ask that. But in being very careful about like, you know, how I know personally, he has to deal with this situation. What I took from it was, I think dealing with her takes him back to a lot of the times in his life that he's moved on from and has had to move on from because he's not that attack dog anymore. And even though he can get there, don't get me wrong, it's still so different. It's, it's like very like healed. It's very evolved or even on the journey. I don't know if, I don't know if I would say like fully healed. Cuz he still, I mean little man anger is a thing. His legs still swinging his seat. So he's always going to be angry. But I think that there, you know, it's just a, he's in a different place now. But hearing him talk about this, I'm like, okay. There's a part of him that always wanted to make sure that he never returned to being the person that like was in that position, that needed her, needed Wendy Williams so bad that he was willing to do and say whatever because, you know, his career mattered. Like, you know, his, his family is depending on him, he's depending on him, his career is depending on him. So I got it at that point. But the first time I ever heard him say that. And even like, and I mean even to me, like in general, like I knew that there were things going on like behind the scenes, but like publicly like when we're talking about it on the show, he be quiet. He don't. He don't indulge at all. And I think it's like, you know, if you ain't got nothing else to say, you don't say nothing at all. No beef but just being honest. What's up y'? All? 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Or save even faster with mobile coupons you can use right now@valpak.com Valpak there's definitely something in it for you, but they also got into something that was like very, very interesting. So Angie Martinez, back in 96, did an interview with Tupac. This was one of Tupac's final interviews. It happened months before his passing. The interview was reportedly like an hour 45, two hours long, I believe. Angie Martinez says it was an hour and 40 minutes long in this interview with Charlemagne. But history has it and as she's ever told the story and what we've ever gotten to hear, she's only ever released a little bit under 15 minutes of the interview. Let's take a listen to what she actually released from back in that time Mission and what's going down with that. So I wanted to get his view and here goes a little something. The East Coast, west coast thing is a musical thing that's separate. That's a whole thing separate to itself. That's a musical thing where we have been beefing about whose music is better or which is this. It seems like it's gotten real. It has. Because I'm like a lightning rod because I'm attacking New York's finest. They're self proclaimed king of New York, you know what I mean? I'm attacking them so because nobody is separating. They sell from. They talking about people. Yes, they talking about Raw. He is and he's a representative. He represents New York every time. Every time it benefits New York. He represents New York when it don't benefit New York. Now he's just another rapper. But y' all let him wear y' all colors. You let him shout, y' all shout out. When Biggie came out here, he screamed out, Brooklyn's in the house. We don't beat to say, why you starting a war? Why is everybody. When I say west side, it hurt people's feelings. I don't think it's because you're saying west side. I think because they think they own me. No, not at all. I think it's because, you know, Dog Pound video came out. New York, New York. And I'm not saying you was in the video. I know you wasn't in the video. I wasn't in it. I didn't write it. I didn't put the produce, the beat. All right, so let's see. I was in jail. The album was done while I was in jail. That's separate. It just. You know what it is? It's. It's. It's New York's visualizing your camp, which to them is Death Row, which is Dog Pound, which is Snoop, and which is. You know, which is that whole thing. And it was all one time the New York, New York video came out. You know, brothers was stepping on cars in New York, stepping on, you know, on New York, like they owned it. Boom, you come out, next video. What about. What about the video? Yes, to me, it is the best coast. And everybody in New York feel like that, too. That's why they come out here and party, man. Why is everybody acting like. I didn't say. For me to say. For me to say Cali is the West Coast. I never said New York ain't. I never said New York is the worst coast. I just said where I'm at, where I'm from is the best coast. Why is that offending people? Now? She says the reason that she's only released that, and she's always said this from the beginning to now, is that during that time, she felt like, you know, if she had released the full interview, it could have made things way worse for when it came to, like, the East Coast, west coast beef and all the drama that was happening because reportedly, Tupac was naming names. He was, you know, talking about, like, political concerns and, like, just a lot of the different things that he was discussing in full and in depth, she didn't think would be helpful. Now, this conversation, when she had it with Charlemagne about the, you know, Tupac tapes and all of that, it came up. And to me, it sounds like she's willing to do it. Maybe like a. Like a maybe, but, like, kind of on, like, the warmer side of maybe leaning into, okay, I'll do it. But I think she just wants it to be very responsible if she does it. Because now, nowadays in her career, Angie Martinez, the voice of New York in 2025, is not Angie Martinez, the voice of New York. She was in the 90s who, you know, she was grinding. She was trying to get on. She needed the moments. Not even needed, but that was her job then. Now she's iconic. She's legendary. She can be so much more responsible with her platform because it's her show, it's her say. So let's take a look. Yeah, it's funny to even talk about it because I. I don't know. I just, like, somebody asked me the other day if I would interview Puff if he came out. Would you? I'd have to think about it. It wouldn't be a. Before a younger me would say, of course it's my job. Absolutely, yes. Now I'd have to say, what kind of offering would that be to the world? Would it be worth it for me? Do I want to put myself in that noise? Can I do something really meaningful? You know, I'd have to ask myself some questions like that. It's not just a, yes, I'll do it because. Because it'll be huge. I mean, I say no to huge things all the time. That's what I love about you. I mean, you know, this is so funny. Devi Brown, who's a great friend of mine, it's my good sister. She literally said. She texted me, like, two days ago and was like, yo, because she loves Tupac. Like, I'm talking about, like, she's the person that buys me tapes. Haunt me. Exactly. She loves Tupac. She was like, yo, Angie really needs to put out the Tupac audio. Debbie Brown said that maybe it's time then. And I said to her, I said, well, you know, she never wanted to put it out because, you know, thought it would be inflammatory. Yeah, right. I know there's a rumor on the Internet that Puff somehow paid me for those tapes. Like, I. Like, I held those tapes for all those years so that Puff could pay me. It's absolutely. There's zero truth to that. But that. But you're right. That's why. That's why I never did it. And then now, I think for. What is the point now? There's nothing there that changes history or changes. But I know people are interested. So I think people want to break it down psychologically, because there's this. Let's do it. You want to do it with me? You want to do, like, oh, that'd be amazing. Let's do it. Because she. You know what it is? I think people. I don't know. I. I think. I mean, I want to hear. If I'm being honest with you, I want to hear. I want to. Especially now, being so much. Being so much more in the mix of, like, all of, like, that, like, stuff, right? So knowing Angie Martinez personally and like knowing her spirit and like we're not like besties, you know what I mean? But like she's someone that like looking up to in this, of course, and you just being able to have interacted with her and experience her in real life and her spirit in real life and knowing everything that happened after, you know, months after with, you know, the shooting of Tupac and of Biggie and like all of the, the conversations that happen and there's just been so much that has been speculated and so much that we've had to learn and experience and hear second hand in the history of this conversation that I don't know, like, I would just love to be able to not just hear about that, right. East coast, west coast, because I think that they're, you know, they've, they had. There was community conversation in that there was, let's talk about a lack of money in, in amongst us, us as like our community and what we could do if there was more and what wouldn't be happening when it comes to beef and the back and forth and all that if there was more. Like, I feel like there's so much of like a political stance and a community advocate in Tupac that we know him to be anyway, that you, I mean, you get a sense of that period, right, in music and interviews and all that. But I don't know, I just think Angie Martinez has always been able to take people to a different place than anyone else has. And she mentioned in this interview with Charlemagne that her and Tupac didn't know each other super personally. He had reached out to her to interview with her when he did because he had been, he'd heard her interviews when she, when he was locked up, so he felt comfortable with her. Right. And I mean, she's just been really good at what she does for a very long time. So to hear him in that space, knowing her, knowing her spirit, you know, and just, I don't know, I think that it would be a, a history lesson that we be able to hear and listen to while knowing so much other stuff that has occurred. Like, I think it might even like correct some of the myths about the whole like the beef, the back and forth and I don't know, I just, I, I just think, oh, hearing it from the person is always different than hearing about it and hearing about the person, about the things that happen when it comes to a person. So I'm interested in hearing that. And I just also think too, because there was an interesting point in the interview where they were talking about whether, like, how Tupac would have evolved. And she was very honest in saying that, you know, from her conversations with him, she thinks that he would have evolved like a Jay Z, but, like, you know, would have been really into community and school and all that. Let's take a listen. We realized Pac wasn't as crazy as people thought. And also, he was young. He was very young. He hadn't gone through the. Imagine Pac after therapy healed. When did he. That was it, 24? 25? Yes, 24. So his full frontal cortex wasn't even fully. That's what I'm saying. Imagine him going through how the other side of Charlemagne. Imagine the other side of Pac. What that would have been, I would see then. Then I look at the tapes and I go, well, now that has meaning. If I release it in a way where it actually has meaning and. And does something good for the world and just put it out so people could talk about it and have it on the Internet. I just think it would be good to hear things about Tupac from Tupac. I. I mean, there are so many. Like, I've watched so many interviews online, on YouTube, like, you know, like from MTV and, like, just, you know, different eras of, like, cultural history that as much as I can on Tupac, just because I've always been really, really curious just about for him to be so young. He was so. I don't like it when people say, like, he was so young, but he was so smart and tuned in. Because I feel like all my friends from Young have been very in tune with what's going on in the world and, you know, what's affecting us and what's not. But one of the things I feel like as a young person, I wasn't sure about was myself and my identity and where I stood in all of that. And he didn't. He don't see. He. He. That wasn't him. He was very sure about himself, where he stood, what his mission was. I don't know. I think it could enlighten, I think, with the right guardrails, you know. But I do understand her hesitancy because I think people lost it. Not think. I know. We know people lost their lives in that situation. People lost family members, you know, friends. Friends. That was a very traumatic time. I saw Jada kiss on Joe and Jada, you know, talking to Tony Yayo and Uncle Murder. And Uncle Murder, just about being in LA with Biggie at the time that he was killed and not connecting the two. But, I mean, it's the same. You know that East Coast, west coast, them two dying is like the same conversation. You have it the same way every time you talk about one, you talk about the other. But he said he still shakes when he rides down that street, right? There are a lot of people that those tapes will bring back a lot of. A lot of memories, a lot of feelings for. But maybe there's some good that we can find in it that it'll do. I think people will listen. I don't think there's a lot of people anymore that people listen to because everything is just so clouded and just so loud and just so like, you gotta really focus and like, dilute to really get to the cream of the crop of the people you should be listening to and all that. I think it would cut through for a lot of people. So I think it could do some good. To Angie Martinez's point of why she never put it out, certain parts of it anyway. I don't know what's discussed on there, names he's calling out and all of that, but I do think that there are certain parts, especially knowing how radical Tupac was against, you know, government and structures and the day and time we in the day, you know what I'm saying? Like, hearing him speak unfiltered might just be what we need at the end of the day. There is always a lot to talk about and y' all join me here every single episode, My Low Riders to talk about it. It's the latest with Lauren, the Rosa, the podcast, My Lowriders. I appreciate you guys. I will see you in my next episode. Did you know Microsoft has officially ended Support for Windows 10 upgrade to Windows 11 with an LG Gram laptop. Voted PCMag's Reader's Choice top laptop brand for 2025. Thin and ultra lightweight, the LG Gram keeps you productive anywhere. And Windows 11 gives you access to free security updates and ongoing feature upgrades. 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