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The Breakfast Club
Keyshia Ka’oir gets backlash following Gucci Mane interview on the Breakfast Club about his severe mental health struggles and their partnership
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Lauren LaRosa
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Bloomberg News Host
The big Take Podcast from Bloomberg News keeps you on top of the biggest stories of the day.
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Charlamagne tha God
My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day.
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Bloomberg News Host
Stories that move markets.
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Lauren LaRosa
Chair Powell opened the door to this.
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Bloomberg News Host
First interest rate cut, impact politics, change businesses.
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Maggie Freeling
This is a really stunning development for.
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Bloomberg News Host
The AI world and how you think about your bottom line. Listen to the Big Take from Bloomberg News every Weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Kal Penn
Hey, I'm Kal Penn and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week I'm calling up my friends like Bill Nye, Lilly Singh and Pete Buttigieg to talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, but my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here we go again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Maggie Freeling
The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
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Lauren LaRosa
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.
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Maggie Freeling
Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Lauren LaRosa
I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt, a young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Kal Penn
Let's get to it. Time to do it.
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Lauren LaRosa
I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody Exclusive know if you don't lie about that, right?
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Kal Penn
Lauren came in hot.
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Lauren LaRosa
Hey y', all, what's up? It's Lauren LaRosa and this is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news and all of the conversations that shake the room. Let me get my mic together together. Cause today we got to Talk about. So hopping right on into it, Gucci Mane, Keisha Kohr came on the Breakfast Club, and wow. Was the conversation. Like, I knew the conversation was gonna be a good conversation. I'm a huge fan of Gucci's, of course. Really, really big fan of Keisha K orr. I remember being in college and, like, you know, we was doing the color lipsticks and the hair and, you know, all the things Keisha. Because Keisha K. Or had, or she still does have Keisha Kay or cosmetics, but I don't know. She had us in a chokehold at that time. The girls that had the hair with the middle, like, little Mohawk. I never did a little, you know, mohawk thingy thingy. But being at Del State during that time, being at college during that time, you really got to see the impact of both of these people. So sitting here with them, you know, whenever I'm at Breakfast Club, it's always like, damn, I'm really. You know what I mean? Like, I'm really sitting here with the. But then they're there. Gucci is in a different space in his life. He's talking about, you know, everything he's dealing with, you know, mental health wise. And the book and the album Episodes is out, so I knew it was gonna be an open and vulnerable conversation, but I had no idea. I want to take a second to just talk about some of the things that we talked about and some of the ways I saw people responding to the interview in total. So Keisha Kaor and Gucci, you know, they are married. They now have two kids together. And from the outside looking in before we learned that Gucci, you know, was dealing with mental struggles, their relationship has been one that, you know, trends a lot of times as a fairy tale. From the story about Gucci giving Keisha Kilworth the money before he went to jail and her flipping the money and him coming home to all this money. And, you know, just. You always see the videos and the photos of the Wobsters and them, you know, they dressed alike, they fly, they walking in the concerts, doing this, doing that. But to hear the other side of things where it's like, in real life, she is. And I think, you know, when you're married, you are. Your life's like. You are your partner's lifeline. But I think it's in such a different way when that person is dealing with anything, you know, any type of sickness, whether it's a mental health situation or it's, you know, a physical disability, it's just different. And I Think them being vulnerable and opening up and talking about this. I even think I know Keisha Kay. Or literally just posted to her Instagram that someone reached out to her. She said that she had been getting flooded by DMs ever since the Breakfast Club interview. But she says specifically right before I walked into this podcast, I saw her post that there was a mom who says, my son was watching that interview. He finally would be honest with himself about the fact that he does have mental health struggles and that he does need some help. Thank you. Because now they're able to actually go and do something about it. And Gucci talked a bit in this interview, just about, you know, what that looked like shame wise for him and why, you know, it kind of took him so long to come around and just say, yo, here's what's going on with me. Let's take a listen.
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Kal Penn
I wonder what the psychology is behind that. Like, why when you're going through an.
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Charlamagne tha God
Episode, you give away money. I don't know. You don't care about your mind because the money don't. It's not you. Kind of like in a warp world, it's almost like it's a psychosis. You know what I'm saying? It's not you dealing with stuff. Like you're hearing voices.
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Keisha Korr
Yeah, they have voices.
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Charlamagne tha God
And you're hearing voices too. Like, it's telling you to. You know, you might think that Charlamagne trying to. I might think that you're trying to fight me. You ain't even did nothing. We be like, bro, I ain't did nothing to you. What's wrong with you? Like, I'll be like, trying to fight you. Charlamagne, like, you did this. You know what you did? You stole something from me. You'd be like, brian stole nothing from you. But in my mind, I'm like, it's the truth. So that's what I used to deal with.
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Kal Penn
How did therapy and the self work change your relationship with anger? And, like, do you still wrestle with.
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Lauren LaRosa
That same inner voice that you talk.
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Kal Penn
About throughout the book?
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Charlamagne tha God
I don't. I don't. It's like I seen a therapist. I got a. I got a. So taking medicine that prescribed for me and what she thought, and it worked. And I haven't had any other problems.
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Lauren LaRosa
Now. One of the things that I think, you know, I knew that there was going to be some fallout because when Keisha Kohr had said, you know, my man don't got to do nothing but relax, basically, here's what she actually said.
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Keisha Korr
I Treat Gucci so good. Like, I know I said this when he first came out of prison, I.
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Lauren LaRosa
Would bathe him or whatever. I don't bathe him no more, but.
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Keisha Korr
I used to bathe him. Now I still cook for him. Only thing Gucci gotta do is shower. He don't gotta do nothing else. I do everything for that man, but not because I have to do it. I want to. I enjoy taking care of him. I enjoy him just being happy and going to the studio and doing music. I don't want him to worry about the bills, worry about what he got to eat, worry about nothing. That man, all he got to do is bathe child and go do his shows and go to studio. That is it. The wife takes care of everything else. And I love doing it. And if I don't do it, I would be miserable.
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Lauren LaRosa
When she sat down with Carlos King for, you know, the conversation she had with Carlos King, the world was in a uproar period. Like, people could not understand what she meant by, I make peace, I make home for my men. Even though, again, at that time, I didn't fully understand the extent of, you know, Gucci's struggles. People were in an uproar. So when she was talking about a lot of the different things in our interview at the Breakfast Club that she had to do just to make sure he got through and gets through actively, you know, what his struggles are mentally, I knew that people were gonna have something to say. Now let's take a listen to Keisha Kor talk about how she was able to protect Gucci from the world while he was going through what was happening mentally. Because a lot of y', all, because of this are. I don't know, like, the reaction to her talking about how she protected him in this situation has been a little odd to me. Like, I saw people saying, like, oh, it's giving caregiver more than it's given wife. And I'm like, wow. People really don't understand what it's like to deal with someone who is dealing with something health wise. You instantly become a caretaker. You don't have a choice. Because even if you bring people in, they don't love, nurture, or have the patience. Yo, the patience is the biggest thing. They don't have the patience. Like, you have the person you love, and you're. You're. It's 24 7. Especially when somebody's dealing with something with mental health. Let's take a listen to Keisha K. Or talk about, you know, deleting Gucci's apps off his phone so that the world didn't know what he was going through after his last meltdown with all those tweets for you, what was it like? Just trying to protect the business that you guys have built.
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Keisha Korr
While I have a system, I take his apps off his phone. First thing I do, I delete Instagram. I delete everything. Even if I got to change his password, I'm changing it because I don't need the public to know he's having an episode. You realize you'd never know about any other episodes since September 13th. Because I control that. Because you're not going on Instagram. You're not going on Twitter. It's deleted. You know, and I just control everything at home. And now, before the episodes come, I catch it. So that's why he hasn't had another one. And how you catch that is he doesn't speak to you. He wants to be left alone.
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Lauren LaRosa
He don't eat.
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Keisha Korr
He does not sleep. Text messages. There's a period after each word, and I'm like, you're going through an episode. You're sick. No, I'm not a. Not wrong with me. Why do you think that you're not speaking to me? Well, there's nothing to talk about. I said, well, that's not how you.
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Bloomberg News Host
Speak to your wife.
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Keisha Korr
And I'm like, you're sick. And we snap out of it right then. Wow.
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Kal Penn
Wow.
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Lauren LaRosa
Okay, so this clip right here is what caused a lot of the conversation. I've seen several think pieces since this clip made it to the public, since this interview made it to the public. And, you know, I think it's what I. What I learned when dealing with people who have mental challenges and, you know, physical health challenges is that you're literally in a world of your own. When you are caring for those people, they're in a world of their own. Like, I remember, you know, in. In my mom's, you know, stuff is. Is a lot different than Gucci's, but because my mom had a head trauma, when we caught my mom's cancer, it was brain cancer first. And then we tracked it back to the lung she had to get. She had to do a biopsy on her brain. And I remember, Ooh, for, like, the first four months after that, just in trying to care for her, there would be so many times and so many different things that she would say and do, and it was like. It was. It was. So when Keisha K. Or said, you're not. She says, I'm not dealing with Gucci, meaning Like he's out of, he's. This is not him right now. This is, this is the, you know, the, the health challenge that she's dealing with right now. I really understood it because the way that my mom's mental was set up for some time and in. She's. I don't, she's good, but I wouldn't say she's a hundred percent still. I think, you know, trauma to your brain is trauma to your brain under so much duress and you know all the things. But there would be things that she would say and I remember, like having to call family members and they would just be like, you know, you just got to realize you're not dealing with her. Even my friend, like I would call a friend who had went through something similar with their parent and she would always tell me, like, just remember this is. You're not dealing with your mom right now. And when your mom comes into her right mind, you, you like, it's different. But even in reaching out to people, you just don't get it. Like you're literally in your own world because it's just you and this person. You're the only person that kind of understands what the triggers are for whatever the health issue that they're going through. You're the only person that understands how to kind of get them into a state where you can even talk them into understanding that they're having these episodes and these issues that they're dealing with. You're the only person that just can understand what you're dealing with, to be honest with you, because no one else is there every single day. So in listening to her speak, those, what she's talking about, people would never understand. Like the way that I'm seeing people react as if, you know, her method of going about taking care of her husband is too much, like, it's too forceful, it's. She's in too much control. I saw people, you know, almost insinuating that like, you know, he, you know, at this point is under a control that he has no power of and just various different things. And you know, for me, I've just learned in these type of situations that when someone is being treated health wise, you gotta give that person and the person that is caring for them every single day the room to do what they need to do to get through every single day, what she is going about doing and how she's going about doing it. We probably will never understand it ever. Because even in talking to them, from the beginning of the interview to the end of the interview, literally, I remember saying to myself, this is a lot deeper than people understand. He is going through a lot more than people understand. And thank God for Keisha Kor, because she probably saved his life. On multiple occasions, she talked about what, you know, one time where they had this condo in Miami. And she said her biggest fear, she never thought that he would hurt her, but her biggest fear was that he would hurt himself. And one of her thoughts was he may jump over the balcony of the condo in Miami because of mentally what he was going through, and that would keep her up at night, literally. Let's take a listen to that.
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Keisha Korr
It's scary. Like. Like, we had a condo. We were on, like, the penthouse. And I'm like, shit, is he gonna jump? Is the voice gonna tell him to jump? Like, that's the scary part, not me being scared of him hurting me.
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Lauren LaRosa
So for people to say she's doing a bit too much, he gives sedated, as if he can't make his own decisions. I think, you know, what we're seeing is her having to do exactly what needs to be done because she's been fighting this battle with him throughout the diagnosis and all the treatment, and she's working with the doctors. Like, a lot of it, it's just like, mind, Mind your business. What's that sound? That's the sound of Downy Unstoppable scent beads going into your washing machine and giving your clothes freshness that lasts all day long. There it is again. It's like music to your ears. Or more like music to your nose. That freshness is irresistible. Let's get a Downy Unstoppables bottom. And now a sniff solo. Nice.
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Kal Penn
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Lauren LaRosa
For all day freshness.
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Kal Penn
The forces shaping the world's economies and financial markets can be hard to spot.
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Keisha Korr
Even though they are such a powerful.
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Maggie Freeling
Player in finance, you wouldn't really know that you are interacting with them.
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Kal Penn
And even harder to understand.
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Maggie Freeling
Donald Trump says Trade War 2.0 is.
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Lauren LaRosa
Only accelerating the process of de dollarization, which in a way is jargon for people turning away from the dollar.
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Kal Penn
That is where the big take from Bloomberg podcast comes in to connect the dots.
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Bloomberg News Host
How unusual is a deal like this?
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Kal Penn
Unprecedented. Every weekday afternoon, we dive deep into one big global business story. The biggest story of the reaction of.
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Lauren LaRosa
The oil market to the conflict in the Middle east is one of what has not happened.
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Kal Penn
Katie, you told me that ETFs are your favorite thing.
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Lauren LaRosa
They are.
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Kal Penn
Explain that. Why is that the case? And Unpack what it means for you.
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Lauren LaRosa
Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples.
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Bloomberg News Host
And so they sort of become outsized indicators of inflation.
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Kal Penn
Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Lauren LaRosa
Here we go.
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Kal Penn
Hey, I'm Kalpen and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics and pop culture. And each week one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions, like, are we heading towards another financial crash? Like in 08, is non monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lilly Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Lauren LaRosa
All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half truth is a whole lie.
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Maggie Freeling
For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
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Lauren LaRosa
I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.
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Maggie Freeling
We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.
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Kal Penn
Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.
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Maggie Freeling
My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.
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Kal Penn
I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff.
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Lauren LaRosa
That y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.
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Maggie Freeling
From lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.
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Lauren LaRosa
America, y' all Better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.
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Maggie Freeling
Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Lauren LaRosa
And I think it's really unfair, too, that. Because I know Keisha Kor said in the interview, I asked her, like, you know, what do you. Do you feel like the walls are caving in? Because it gets there. It gets really, really dark, man. Like you, because you can't talk to anybody, people react how, you know, people are reacting right now online, where everybody has opinions about what you should be doing, how you should be feeling, what the person should be doing, what they shouldn't be doing, how they should be treated. You're dealing with so much alone. And she. She said this. She said she doesn't get help. She says she doesn't talk to anybody. She's happy when he's happy, and I completely understand that. But, boy, it has to be heavy because now, on top of them, she did such a good job for so many years keeping this in their household and getting it to a point where he is alive and he is. He's well and he's able to, you know, and he's in the interview speaking for himself. Y' all are acting like this man is not sitting right here. But she's done such a good job of protecting home and making it a space where he can do what he needs to do to continue to be well. But now they're letting it out to the world. They're on this book tour, the album is out. He's talking about things. And that's another thing as well, too, that I thought about. I'm like, you know, there's so many different things that still trigger me, and I wasn't a person that was dealing with someone with mental health issues as. As, you know, deep as I learned that Gucci's was. But there are certain videos that I, you know, I was. I was trying to vlog and, like, keep up with, you know, everything that we were dealing with. And there are certain photos I'll see in my phone from that time period, and it just takes me in a whole different space. I can't imagine what it's like for Keisha Kor after this interview. She's getting a bunch of positive feedback, too, as well. She. She said that. But I know people are calling who didn't really understand how deep it was. I Know, people are reaching out and, you know, apologizing for not being there as much as they probably feel like they should have been after watching this interview. And all of that is triggering. People expressing their unwanted opinions. Everything is so. It's triggering for not only her, but for him. And again, she's there. She's dealing with this every single day. I don't know about y', all, but after sitting in this interview and speaking with them, one of the biggest things I walked away with feeling is, like, if ain't nobody else going to do it for you in your life, when you get to a point where you have no one else to turn to and you don't even understand what's going on with yourself. Because he knew something was not right. He knew he needed some. Some help, right? But he wasn't at the point where he wanted to deal with it and really dive into it and see what exactly it was and learn how to treat it. She came in, she said and was like, I'm going to help him. If you ain't got nobody else, baby, the way that your wife, your husband, is supposed to love on you. I'm like, man, this is what it's. This is what it's about. Like, this is what union is about. This is what love and family is about. And I'm. Yo, I just kept saying to myself, thank God for Keisha K Orr. Like, thank God for her. And that was my first time meeting Gucci. I don't know him personally, of course. Huge fan who is not a fan of Gucci, man. But just hearing him detail and hearing her detail. She said, one time, he stood outside for 24 hours and would not come back into the house. Do you know how Just far gone his mind had to be? And I'm just thinking. I'm like, this is Gucci Mane. Like, we look at him as a celebrity. All of the, you know, the cars, the jewelry, the fame, the. You know what I'm saying? And he is in such a deep fight for his mental stability that she wakes up one day, and he's standing outside for 24 hours.
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Keisha Korr
There was one time he stood outside for 24 hours at the door, just standing. I said, get inside. No. I said, did somebody give you a cookie or lace it? What is wrong with you? Cause I'm not even catching on. I just want to stand up out here. He said, They're 24 hours. So I said, okay, there's an episode coming. I wasn't that good of a pro yet. So the episode came like, A week.
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Lauren LaRosa
Or two after that, we had no idea. Think I'm like, yo, thank God for her. She probably saved his life. So I don't know what conversation you are having about this interview, but I would say if your conversation is anything other than, I want a person I love who may be going through this to watch it. I'm trying to watch it for myself, you know, to see if I have any, you know, similar triggers or if I'm hearing things that sound familiar. So, like, I can figure out, like, if I'm a person that, like, potentially needs to go talk to somebody, whatever, you know, or just watching it with, hey, I'm sending some love and some admiration, because it is hard. It's hard being Gucci and going through this. Think about that. Like, it's not just like a. It's hard for anybody dealing with anything health wise, but imagine being a person and people will say, like, I mean, he has all the resources and the money and he can get to the doctors and. Yeah, but you still gotta deal with it. Once you go see the doctor and you get treated and they tell you the meds, you still gotta take the meds. You still gotta wake up every day sometimes feeling like, what is life and why is life? While facing your kids and your. And your wife. Your wife is there, and on top of that, the world is all up in your business because of who y' all are. There are so many layers to this. You cannot take anything from this interview. But thank God for Keisha Kohr and the patience and the love that she has for this man. And thank God that he got to the point, because also, too, even if you remove Keisha Ko from the situation, Gucci needed to get to a point where we're sitting and having this conversation with him that we were able to have. And to be honest with y', all, I felt like there was one. I asked him a question in an interview just about, you know, East Atlanta, triggering him and some of the triggers from his childhood. Let's take a listen to that.
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Charlamagne tha God
It does trigger me going to East Atlanta.
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Keisha Korr
Yeah.
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Charlamagne tha God
Like, stuff with my mom triggers me. We had, like, a strained relationship. Stuff from my youth triggered me, you know, old friendships, you know, that went sour. There's a lot of stuff can be triggers. I can, you know, some songs even trigger me.
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Lauren LaRosa
And I could tell, like, as I asked the question, after hearing so much about, like, you know, the triggers and just how sensitive everything was in my mind, I'm like, I hope that question doesn't trigger him, because it does seem very temperamental, and it's something that he's, you know, working through, and it's new, and him, you know, going on the press tour and everything is new. And Keisha even said in an interview, and he said, you know, this book kind of almost put him back in a really bad space. He goes in and out of it to this day, but he made me want to watch what I. What I was saying in that interview. But it also made me think about, like, just moving forward. Like, you know, it was like a self accountability. Like, I don't know, like, I've been having these moments lately where I'm just sitting and I'm thinking, like, is what I'm doing and how I'm doing it, like, how is that helping or hurting people in that moment when I asked him that question? And, you know, there was no malice there. I really, you know, after hearing him say that in an interview, was wondering what other things he may have discovered from his childhood that he's had to reface in order to move forward. But it didn't feel like he was ready to talk about it, if I'm being honest with y'. All. Didn't feel like he was ready to talk about that fully. And again, it's a very sensitive thing, but it made me think about, like, you know, just when you get on these platforms and you're sitting in these interviews and, you know, all the things, like, we have a job to do and we're gonna ask questions, but just understanding, like, it is so crazy how, like, now we're able to have the luxury to sit back and think, like, damn, did I just disturb that person's, like, well being for the sake of content. Like, I never want to be that person ever, ever, ever, ever. And I've been seeing so many think pieces on this interview and TikTok recap videos. And, yo, I saw somebody accuse Keisha Kayor of voodoo and witchcraft because he sat there and told y' all that his wife at one point had to kidnap him to make sure he was okay and take him to the hospital to save his life. And I'm like, do people not understand how their words travel and what that could potentially cause, like, just so many different things. And, like, granted, I ain't perfect. You know, I'm in real time, like, growing up and learning and experiencing so many different things in front of you guys. But, man, I just want us to readjust the conversation around this interview. And don't get me wrong, I've seen so many great reactions as well, that I do want to highlight. I don't want to take time just for the bs, but I want to highlight some of the great conversations that I've also seen. I posted the interview to on my X account and I want, I want you guys to hear, you know, just how people responded just to that clip where Keisha Kay or talked about deleting Gucci's apps.
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Bloomberg News Host
The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story.
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Kal Penn
Every weekday, a shutdown means that we don't get the data, but it also means for President Trump that there's no chance of bad news on the labor market.
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Bloomberg News Host
What does a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich reveal about the economy? Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples and so they sort of become outsized indicators of inflation. What's behind Elon Musk's trillion dollar payout?
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Kal Penn
There's a sort of concerted effort to message that Musk is coming back. He's putting politics aside. He's left the White House.
- [30:41]
Bloomberg News Host
And what can the PCE tell you that the CPI can't?
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Kal Penn
CPI tries to measure out of pocket.
- [30:49]
Lauren LaRosa
Costs that consumers are paying for things.
- [30:51]
Kal Penn
Whereas the PCE index that the Fed targets is a little bit broader of a measure.
- [30:56]
Bloomberg News Host
Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [31:06]
Lauren LaRosa
Here We Go.
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Kal Penn
Hey, I'm Kalpen, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics and pop culture. And each week one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions, like, are we heading towards another financial crash? Like in 08, is non monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lilly Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [32:18]
Lauren LaRosa
All I know is what I've been told and that's a half truth is a whole lie.
- [32:23]
Maggie Freeling
For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
- [32:39]
Lauren LaRosa
I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.
- [32:42]
Maggie Freeling
We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.
- [32:50]
Kal Penn
Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.
- [32:58]
Maggie Freeling
My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.
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Kal Penn
I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff.
- [33:12]
Lauren LaRosa
That y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her.
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Keisha Korr
They made me say that I poured.
- [33:18]
Lauren LaRosa
Gas on her.
- [33:21]
Maggie Freeling
From Lava For Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.
- [33:31]
Lauren LaRosa
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.
- [33:41]
Maggie Freeling
Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Kal Penn
Hey there. I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex and the City, or just the Internet's dad. I have a new podcast called what Are We Even Doing? Where I embark on a noble quest, understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture.
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Lauren LaRosa
Daddy's looking good.
- [34:19]
Kal Penn
Each week I invite someone fascinating to join me. Actors, musicians, creatives, highly evolved digital life forms. And we talk about what they love. Sometimes I'll drizzle a little honey in there too if I'm feeling sexy in the morning. What keeps them going?
- [34:34]
Lauren LaRosa
And you're maybe my biggest competition on social media.
- [34:37]
Kal Penn
Like when a kid says bra to me and how they're navigating this high speed roller coaster we call reality.
- [34:43]
Lauren LaRosa
In Australia, you're looking out for snakes.
- [34:45]
Kal Penn
Spiders and boys, right? Hey, he's no chain McDougal.
- [34:49]
Maggie Freeling
This is like the comments section of my Instagram.
- [34:52]
Kal Penn
Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday and let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [35:08]
Lauren LaRosa
Dang all the barbs in my mentions. Nicki Minaj got mad too. I think Nicki Minaj got mad at us as well. She has some things to say about us following this Gucci interview. I'm trying to get down my mentions to get to the reaction to the Gucci interview, but I keep running into the barbs being upset because of the way that we covered Nicki Minaj's morning. I'll read the Nicki Minaj stuff, but let me, let me hear. So psynique Saturday Shout out to signing Saturday. I wear a lot of her bag. She is a black woman bag designer. Fire too out of New York. She says it's so beautiful to see Gucci mature and share her story with safety of having his wife beside him. They're helping so many people with this level of transparency. My muna underscore Joy on X said the transparency in this interview highlights not only the love that they have for each other, but also their love for the black community as they're literally saving lives by openly sharing his battle and mental health. Yo, I got. I saw so many people in the comments having conversations about, like, just like, hey, I have a family member who needs to watch this. Hey, this happened to me and I was able to go to the doctors, be diagnosed and thank you, Gucci, for, like, opening up. I think it's so different because, like, again, it's like Gucci has been like the boogeyman. Like, he's like a mythical character. Like, he, you know, it's big, it's music, it's celebrity, it's you ain't, don't, don't mess with Gucci. You know what I mean? Like, it's always been that about him, but now it's like, it's vulnerable, it's honest. It's him talking about shame, embarrassment, him apologizing for things, him explaining things that, you know, even he says in the moment he did not remember or couldn't control. Him talking about how, you know, the medicines he's been prescribed are helping him therapy, you know, facing, you know, his relationship, you know, or lacked facing what wasn't perfect in the relationship that he had with his mother. It's the maturity, I think, because there's so many people that look up to Gucci and I think there's certain artists of, you know, just our time that have such a big cultural impact. And Gucci mane is definitely one of them. And it goes from generation to generation to generation. So to hear those people be like, look, I ain't got it all together. And, you know, there's points Where I'm weak and I'm out of control and, you know, and I'm this and I'm that. But I had to put. Get myself in check. I had to go do real things to help myself. That's impactful, and I think that's what a career. Not that, you know, this is something that he's doing because he has to for his career. He's really battling this in real life. But, you know, I started this by saying that I've been thinking a lot about, like, dang, and what I do every single day, like, how am I helping people? Sitting in that interview and listening to him be so honest about stuff and wanting to talk about it and being excited that he's helping people through this. I'm like, yo, this is. This is what the full circle looks like. Like, you start one way and you end another, but you use where you started to reach everybody. Like. Like the way Church supposed to be. Like, come as you are. It's like a use everybody or use everything to reach everybody. And that's like, the beauty of just black art, too. Like, hip hop and music intertwine. So many different people, so many different things, situations, all of that. But when you think about artists that are impactful or that are influential in hip hop, and just the way that they can sway audiences all over the world, when those artists begin to do that and speak, like, realness around tough situations like mental health, and it's just. It's just so fire to see. And it's so fire because it's real and it's authentic. And he didn't have to share this with us. He did not have to share this with us whatsoever, because the way Keisha Kaor was holding it down, I don't think we would have ever really known the extent of, you know, what Gucci was dealing with, because she has been just so good at creating that space for him. He made the personal choice to open up about his life about something that he battles with day to day right now. I know this is like, probably like Lauren and the h you saying this on the Internet. Just. Let's just all be a little bit more thoughtful as we're reacting to these conversations, because the conspiracy theories that y' all have, I'm just like, bro, what in. Like, what is happening? Please take me out of. Please take me out of the group chat. Take me out of this rabbit hole. But all in all, it was a great conversation. Make sure you guys go check out that full interview with Gucci Mane. Keisha Kor on the Breakfast Club. It'll definitely change the way you think about, you know, just dealing with people you love in very sensitive and vulnerable situations. I'm Lauren LaRosa. This is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. At the end of the day, I tell you guys every episode. My low riders. Y' all could be anywhere with anybody having a conversation about this, but y' all choose to be right here with me. I appreciate y' all for that. I will catch you in my next episode.
- [40:28]
Kal Penn
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Charlamagne tha God
Games rated E to E10 plus games.
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Kal Penn
And systems sold separately. Compatible TV required for 4K display.
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Bloomberg News Host
The big Take Podcast from Bloomberg News keeps you on top of the biggest stories of the day.
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Charlamagne tha God
My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day.
- [41:05]
Bloomberg News Host
Stories that move markets Chair Powell opened.
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Lauren LaRosa
Opened the door to this first interest.
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Bloomberg News Host
Rate cut impact politics, change businesses.
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Maggie Freeling
This is a really stunning development for.
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Bloomberg News Host
The AI world and how you think about your bottom line. Listen to the big Take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [41:29]
Kal Penn
Hey, I'm Kalpen and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week I'm calling up my friends like Bill Nye, Lilly Singh and Pete Buttigieg to talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, but my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Kal Penn on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:08]
Maggie Freeling
The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
- [42:21]
Lauren LaRosa
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.
- [42:33]
Maggie Freeling
Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [42:47]
Lauren LaRosa
This is an iHeart podcast.