Carlos King (2:54)

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive produce who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to the Bachelor or selling Sunset. In addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

Carlos King (3:28)

We have so much to talk about. Greetings and salutations, honey. That's what we're doing. So on tonight's live, I've listened and I responded. And you guys wanted me to bring back my amazing friend and amazing co host, Ebony K. Williams to talk about the Candy and Todd divorce proceedings. So on this one, what we're going to do is utilize Ebony amazing intelligence when it comes to the law and being a celebrity and how those two things sort of intersect when it comes to what happens with the celebrity divorce, the money that's at stake, children being involved, minor children at that, in addition to recent information about particular allegations of possible cheating. So, ebony, are you ready to break this all down?

Ebony K. Williams (4:26)

I am if I have shot approval from the Raindrops.

Ebony K. Williams (4:32)

Shit. I mean, well, damn.

Carlos King (4:39)

Well, look, you know, the raindrops are very opinionated. So just to catch you all up to speed, what's going on. And, and look, this has been a situation that a lot of us did not see coming. So I want to make sure to recap to you guys exactly what is happening. So Raindrops. As you all know, Candy Burris Tucker has decided to file for divorce. On November 21st. She has called a quiz. After 11 years of marriage. She said in a statement that after deep thought, a lot of prayer, she's made the decision to move forward with a divorce. Okay. She cited that the marriage was irretrievably broken and that she was seeking for joint custody. So before we get into Todd's response, which truly did break the Internet, Ebony, some divorces, especially celebrities, we always hear irreconcilable differences, which is pretty much like the safest thing to say about, like, two parties. We decided to differ on matters, to say that it was irretrievably broken. Explain to us exactly what that particular.

Carlos King (6:02)

Statement means and why or why not Is that important when it comes to this divorce?

Ebony K. Williams (6:10)

Well, the only real legal significance of that language, Carlos, and it's a good, it's a good point of clarification is that because like you said, irreconcilable differences is a catch. All, you know, it's a standard catch, all that almost everybody uses in their no fault state divorces, which Georgia is. But that beyond, you know, what do you call it, reconciliation piece, just kind of goes to tap the judge or the trier of fact on the shoulder and let them know basically we're not particularly interested in.

Ebony K. Williams (6:50)

Counseling or mediation tactics that would put us on a path for reconciliation. It's basically because sometimes when you initially you do an initial first filing of divorce, you might have a judge push you in that direction, especially when there are minor children involved, as is the case with Candy and Todd. They've got a six year old daughter, Blaze, nine year old son, Ace. And so it's. And especially I'm going to bring up some components, Raindrops. So follow me here. When you're in the Bible belt, they are in the state of Georgia, and I say this as a proud southern girl myself who practice family law in the state of North Carolina, you're going to sometimes run into a judge and the judges, y' all have a tremendous amount of discretion in family law cases. So that's one thing to note. This is not a prosecutor in a defense. This is a judge and only a judge that will hear from both Candy's lawyers and Todd's lawyers and decide all the elements of this case from custody to the enforcement of the prenup, which we will get to, to all the elements. And so when you're in this type of jurisdiction, the south, the Bible belt, where the culture of the region, y', all, that mandates a presumption of family, a presumption, especially in the political climate that we're in, I don't have to name it, y' all can put it together, okay. Where there is such a energy and propensity around traditional family values and families staying together and nuclear family situations. So the inclusion by Candy's attorney and their legal team of that sentence essentially beyond reasonable chances of reconciliation is to say, hey, your honor, in case you're thinking about trying to put us on track for some type of preliminary reconciliation counseling, we can skip it. That's what that says to me.

Carlos King (8:44)

Yeah. Yeah. So one of the things that occurred after that, because again, the divorce filings for me, and again, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just a general public citizen. One thing that I thought was, okay, it was a kind way of saying this relationship cannot be, you know, retrieved outside of getting back together. We do have minor children together.

Carlos King (9:14)

We are going to try to have a joint custody. She did say that she also Said that, look, they have businesses together and that any debt that they have should be split and anything else should be split. Everything seemed to be fair. And everybody said, okay, that's fine. Then a few days later, after that, on December 2nd, I'm sorry, not December 2nd. What happened on December 1st? Todd Tucker's attorney, Randy Kessler responded to Candy's filing. And this is where things were, said ebony, that rub the general public the wrong way. Not all, but some. But I wanted to get your thoughts on it in the, in the document, it did state that Todd would like to have in the unlike in the hopefully unlikely event that they are unable to reach a custody deal, he will be seeking primary physical custody, joint legal custody and final decision making authority. The, the, the document stated that Candy having substantial time and meaningful access to the children. He's praising her as a mother, but he also did say that because she travels a lot, he wants to be able to be the primary parent if they're unable to reach a deal. You being a mother yourself, you being a working mom yourself, you're actually on set today.

Ebony K. Williams (10:57)

Yep. By the way, out of state, on set, on the other side of the country. So I'm actually very similarly positioned to where Ms. Candy Burris is in terms of this type of situation. So let's start in the back. Carlos, let me do some issue spotting here, old school style. Everything you read, and I'm so glad you read it in its totality around Todd's request on the custody piece, the initial request. This is around a potential child support claim. Okay. So let's reverse engineer it. This is setting up a potential claim from Todd and his legal team to seek child support. I want everybody to immediately put spousal support on a separate shelf. A separate shelf. Spousal support and child support have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Spousal support may or may not even be at play, depending on whether or not the judge decides to uphold the existing prenuptial agreement. But child support is something that you actually cannot bypass in a prenup. Okay. Because it's not about you or you spouse or spouse. It's about who the child. So excuse me, with that framework, with this being all about a potential child support claim, that would be why Todd, through his attorney Randy Kessler, would be seeking primary physical custody. Because if you don't have primary physical custody, there is little to no claim around why you should be compensated from the other parent. Because the judge will typically look at that as if it's split physical custody. They will look at y' all as equals who are more or less equally positioned to care for the children through your own resources with the time you each equally have the children. But if you're saying no, no, no, no, no, I am the. The children are with me most of the time, subject to visitation from the other spouse, then the. The financial presumption shifts, Carlos. See how that goes. And now the expectation is I need to be paid from the other spouse, compensated for taking on more fiscal responsibility because the children are with me more. So I'm feeding them, I'm clothing them, I'm housing them, I'm paying for their extracurriculars, and I need to be paid child support to make that equitable. So that's connecting the dots as to why he's starting from a physical custody demand and then the legal joint custody. That's standard because there is no fiscal component to legal custody, because legal custody is not about.

Ebony K. Williams (13:36)

The physicality of the children. It's only about the decision making. So this is where they go to school, if they have health insurance, what kind Testing things of this in terms of whatever assessments the children might need as they continue to grow and develop. But then I think it's interesting, something I don't see often, Carlos, is this final request potentially, of final decision making. Because the whole point of joint legal custody is to say that we are joint in assessing what I just ran down, schooling, healthcare, the major decisions that affect the child's life. But he's saying that I actually want final decision making potentially, and that's a bit unusual. But the first thing you said is important, we only get to me having physical primary custody, joint decision making, legal custody and final decision if and only if we can't get to a custody agreement. So that's going to be the first step, Carlos. They're going to sit down with maybe a mediator, an arbitrator, or even the judge and try to see if they can come up with what we tend to call a consent decree, which means we both consent mutually, agree that this is going to be the custody arrangement. So that's going to be the first attempt.

Carlos King (14:52)

Todd, on his social media, has had this sort of like social media series, nothing I would call a webisode, but he has been promoting that. He does a lot of daddy daycare, and he's been doing this for, you know, in recent months. Do you think that was a part of strategy to show that he is the prime, he is being seen based on what he's showing as the primary caretaker?

Ebony K. Williams (15:24)

I don't have to. I don't have to think it.

Ebony K. Williams (15:27)

Well, I was gonna say I don't have to think it, Carlos. I know it. I know it. And it's not necessarily. That's not a dig. That's not nefarious. That's just quite obvious, quite frankly, when you see people start to show up in a public setting, which social media is as public as it kind of gets, right? Because it's real time visibility, establishing a narrative which may very well be true, may not be true, may be a little true or an untrue, who knows, right? But they're establishing a narrative that cements them in a particular position. So he's saying publicly, hey, public and potential judge and whoever's assessing this, I need you to know that it is me that is primarily at home doing the daily caretaking of the children. I'm running the bath water, I'm preparing the meals, I'm preparing any medicines they may take. I'm the one doing story time because why my wife, per his claim, is out of town, out of the country, promoting Broadway shows, doing press for her incredible works and projects and movies and films and all the amazing things she's doing. So while she's away, kind of, what's it getting the bacon. I'm playing daddy daycare at home frying up the bacon. And I am holding down the home front. That is clearly Carlos, what he has been trying to establish for the past several months, which bolsters his argument, his legal claim that that's why I should be designated the primary physical custodian, because like you were saying, and you know, using me as an example of what it looks like to be the working mom who's going to get the bacon. I'm out in LA getting the bacon. I'm on set getting the bacon. Somebody's got to get the bacon. But also somebody has to be home to fry the bacon because the children can't eat unfried bacon. You know, using this analogy. So I would tell you sidebar this, this is sidebar. This is part of the reason that I used a donor. True Tea, talk to us about it. Personal story time.

Carlos King (17:31)

Part.

Ebony K. Williams (17:31)

Yeah. Part of the reason that I decided to be a single mom by choice, Carlos King, and use a donor and not have a father for Liberty, not use a friend, not have a co parenting situation is because I knew my circumstances professionally would put me in Candy's exact situation and that I would very possibly end up paying child support for my own daughter. Oh, absolutely. Excuse me. I would easily be in A position to have to go in front of a judge looking just like this and plead my own case from my own daughter that I carried and birthed to say, despite my travel schedule, my work schedule, my sometimes lack of real time availability, I assure you I can make sure all of her needs are met. Because that opens the door, Carlos, for exactly this. Where a father, despite the relationship between me and the father, despite what we even previously agreed to, could then say, you, Honor, look at her. She's outside. She might be outside for very wonderful, noble reasons, but she's away from home. And children need mom to be home. Mom's not available to be home. And so.

Ebony K. Williams (18:46)

She has put her custody rights at risk from a legal standpoint. And I'm here to step into the pocket. I'm here to step into the role and play the primary custodian for my children. And that's a real risk, Carlos. And it is one of the reasons. Reasons I'm telling you that women with high power careers that demand travel or time away. My daughter is being very well taken care of right now. Raindrops. And, Carlos, I assure you, I'm getting hourly updates from her nanny who has been with her since she was four months old. She's in a lovely, you know, preschool that she's been. So she's good. But if I had to argue this to a judge.

Ebony K. Williams (19:28)

It could go either way, and I wasn't willing to risk it going either way. So that's a personal decision. Every woman gets to make that decision for herself. But I hope that helps understand, Raindrops, why somebody would do what I did. And more and more women are electing to do it because we don't want to be in court having to potentially fight for custody of our own children simply because we chose or needed to go to work.

Carlos King (19:53)

Wow. Wow. Well, listen, you are preaching to the choir of the women who are working mothers, who's working women in the group chat. With that being said, I want to ask you this because this was brought up recently and I never thought about it until one of my brain drops brought it to my attention.

Carlos King (20:14)

Does it hurt a woman in this case? So let's just. Candy had blazed via surrogacy, right?

Ebony K. Williams (20:23)

Yes.

Carlos King (20:26)

Does that. Will that hurt? Let me rewind. Could Todd and his attorney use that as a way to establish her busy schedule? And the reason why it is in the best interest for the primary custody to be in the hands of the father because of something like that, Is that something that could be used as evidence?

Ebony K. Williams (20:52)

I don't Think so. I don't think so. I appreciate the curiosity. I see where it could come from from a curiosity standpoint, but I don't believe so. I didn't follow that storyline. I was watching this at the time, but from what I know, period of surrogacy, Carlos, it is almost always used from medical necessity. Candy, like myself, is now very much so considered advanced maternal age. Candy at that point had already birthed Riley, also at that point, Ace. And Ace, she was older as well. So I could see where, medically speaking, she would have a very sound argument to say that Blaze was brought to the world lovingly and beautifully. Surrogacy because not of professional obligations, you know, and she couldn't carry the baby because it was inconvenient, but due to medical reasons. So that would not. I don't see any argument, Carlos, where that would legally work against her.

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Carlos King (25:05)

This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

Carlos King (25:12)

Okay, so Raindrop, I hope that answered your question. I want to make sure to ask that. So thank you, Raindrop, for asking that question. I want to move into the finances.

Ebony K. Williams (25:21)

Can I just add something real quick because it doesn't apply necessarily to Candy, but it could apply to other women in these situations. Let's say Candy had used an egg donor, Right. So let's say Candy was the legal mother of one of her children, but not the biological mother. I want to be clear, Raindrops, that does not jeopardize her custody. The law does not afford a biological parent more legal rights than a legal parent. I think that's very important to clarify. Okay, go ahead.

Carlos King (25:50)

No, and I'm glad you clarified that. And Ebony, I'm not sure if you heard of this story that happened to Sherri Shepherd.

Ebony K. Williams (26:00)

Oh, yes. Sherry has told me that story herself. At her own mouth.

Carlos King (26:04)

Yes. So are you at liberty if you wanted to. Because what you said made me think about that. Because Raindrops, listen, Sherri shepherd used a donor egg, which was her ex husband, Lamar Sally's firm, to have her son through a surrogate mother. The egg donor was selected by an agency after you know, they signed an agreement with the agency to be the legal parents. However, raindrops, it led to a legal battle during, during the divorce, with a court ultimately ruling that Sherry was the legal mother of the child and have to pay child support.

Ebony K. Williams (26:45)

Child support. Sure did. Sure did. Sure did. So that's important. So anybody hearing this, that's thinking you're mitigating your financial responsibility by putting some biological distance between you and the child, you are not. The court said motion denied. Go ahead, Carlos.

Carlos King (27:03)

All right, so I want to get into the final.

Ebony K. Williams (27:05)

This is so good. This is so many issues. So many issues.

Carlos King (27:09)

As my team, all week, I said, I am attending the University of K. Williams because, you know, I'm obsessed with you and your brilliance and just everything that I'm learning from you. Courtesy of this. And listen, I have so much on my plate, but I do want to go to law school now. But thank you, Ebony. And Ebony also, just so you know, a lot of raindrops, courtesy of just watching you for years and also watching this, you are influencing and inspiring a lot of people to the law school. So I want you to know that.

Ebony K. Williams (27:46)

And I so love that. Just so y' all know, Raindrops, of the entire legal profession, only 5% count on one hand. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5% are black attorneys. There are less than for men and women. Black men and women. There are less than 67,000 black attorneys in the United States of America. We are underrepresented in this profession, and it affects us in every way, from child support to criminal court to real estate property court. When you get people's deeds stolen from underneath them, we need us. So, Carlos, all jokes aside, brother, I will literally write your personal recommendation letters to law school. And I hand to God and very dead serious. Very serious.

Carlos King (28:25)

Thank you for that. You know me. I take. Listen, she knows because we work together. Everything I do, I take seriously. And I'm always preparing myself. So when the time is right, I, I, I will let you know. Okay? So raindrops, as we all know, Candy and Todd got married April 4, 2014. Todd, in the court documents, has stated that although he admits that he did sign a prenuptial agreement, he is suggesting, though, that he was pressured into signing it without his lawyers around. Todd's lawyer said that he was presented without having counsel present, even though Candy, then council had communicated previously with Todd's counsel regarding a potential prenuptial agreement. One thing I want range off to know, because I know they're dealing with business, what that means range Off. And I'm on EBONY to school us on this. When they say that Candy's lawyers independently spoke to Todd without his lawyers president, the reason why that could be deemed. I'm not gonna. Well, I'll just say the word. Correct me if I'm wrong. The reason why that may be deemed unethical is because the moment. The moment two parties. So in this case, Candy and Todd, Candy and Todd having separate lawyers, the moment the lawyers are engaged, talking to each other. As a lawyer, you're not allowed to speak to the other counsel's client without them being present. Is that correct?

Ebony K. Williams (30:03)

That is 100% correct, yes. Yeah.

Carlos King (30:06)

Okay.

Ebony K. Williams (30:06)

I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's like a one on one type of way you get sanctioned by the bar association is speaking to another attorney's client without representation present. And just. The reason for that, Raindrops, is because there's a certain power dynamic at play and certain presumptions of understandings that we have with each other, amongst each other as attorneys. Okay? That lay people could be brilliant, could be Fortune 500 CEOs, could be multi, multi billion, millionaire, celebrity, whatever. It's not undermining to say they are incompetent. It's just to say, and they can actually catch this T, Carlos. They can actually be attorneys. It can actually be. It can actually be an attorney. But if they are not the attorney representing the legal interest of that person, in that case, they are not permitted to speak to the council. Period.

Carlos King (31:00)

Yes. And what we saw in the wedding special was Candy did call her lawyer. Todd was present. Todd tried to call his lawyer. He didn't answer. But we did see on camera that Candy's lawyer on speaker was talking to Todd. And what happened on the wedding.

Ebony K. Williams (31:17)

Can we also flag that when Todd tried to then later in that same scene call his lawyer Randy, and tried to do the same thing, like, hey, Randy, Candy's right here with me. Can you talk to us and basically calm her down and let her know it's gonna be all right? And Randy Kessler said, what? I think not. I will not be speaking to Ms. Burris without her counsel present. But what I can do for you, Todd, is get on the phone and call Candy's attorney and we could talk lawyer to lawyer. So that's the easy way to think about it. Raindrops. Lawyers should be talking lawyers to lawyers, and the parties should be talking to each other. But we will not have a dynamic. A triangulation is the word where me and my lawyer are Sitting on the phone with my future husband without his lawyer present. Because that in and of itself can be construed as a form of duress, a form of compounding pressure and obligation that does not afford equal representation.

Carlos King (32:18)

So with all of that being said, Todd, attorney in this document. Okay. Is the reason why he is questioning the prenuptial agreement because of the fact that he did sign the document without an attorney. His attorney present.

Carlos King (32:40)

One thing that the attorney is saying, Ebony, is the fact that I want to read it verbatim. So I want to misquote things right now. Give me one second.

Carlos King (32:56)

Okay.

Carlos King (33:01)

Tucker's counterclaim for divorce also demanded a division of all marital assets, both real and personal, tangible and intangible, between the parties. What does that mean?

Ebony K. Williams (33:22)

I'm so sorry. Production was in my ear. Read that last line again. Thank you. Okay, just the last. The last two lines.

Carlos King (33:30)

Okay. A division of all marital assets, both real and personal, tangible and intangible between the parties.

Ebony K. Williams (33:40)

Well, that's just going to probably mean to cover all bases, right? Because we know Georgia's a community property state. And he's just saying, hey, listen, we want all. We know what real property and assets are. That's the houses and the cars and things like that, clothing, jewelry, things like that that were purchased during the marital time, which 11 years. But the intangible stuff that could be things like stock that appreciate it maybe. Right. Or if either of them or both of them have any pension funds. So basically, you know, accounts that. Things that are not liquid, assets that are not liquid. So whatever, that could be any of any account, money market accounts, things of that nature.

Carlos King (34:18)

One thing that I want to get into the fact that people assume, Ebony, like, hey, they signed a prenup. They got a divorce. Everything should be good. It's a legal document. Tell me why that's not always the case. They were married for 10 plus years.

Carlos King (34:37)

Somebody did say in the chat that is it true that in 10 years in the state of Georgia that you may be able to renegotiate your prenup just based on all of the activities that may have incurred in the 10 years? And one thing that I do want to say, Mary J. Blige, ex husband, can do, did sign a prenup. However, she still had to pay him.

Ebony K. Williams (35:03)

As Dustin Ross affectionately calls him, Ken. Don't.

Ebony K. Williams (35:10)

Shout out to the lovely Dustin Ross.

Carlos King (35:12)

Yes, Dustin.

Ebony K. Williams (35:14)

So a few things this 10 year mark. Let's clear some things up. 10 years in some states is hugely significant. Like the state I'm in right now. California. In California, we saw this with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. In California, legally speaking.

Ebony K. Williams (35:33)

Is for real. For real, for real. Once you get to 10 years, meaning it now becomes very difficult to not cash the other party out once you hit the 10 year mark. Now let's go to Georgia where this is happening. They don't have that severe of a statute where everything kind of changes at 10 years, but certainly a few things do happen at 10 years. Now, no sitting judge is going to presume that this was just for play. Play. If somebody stayed 10 years, even if they were a gold digger, they were committed. So we're going to treat them more seriously. That's a real thing also at any point in the marriage. But certainly it's more likely after the 10 year mark, things could be renegotiated. We even heard Ashley Darby discuss this on Real Housewives of Potomac when she was still married to Michael Darby, that once they got to 10 years, it essentially is thrown out this notion of we need to be real careful of how we divvy things up once you get to 10 years. Again, the presumption is that everybody was operating in good faith and that this is more treated as a community of sorts of. And that's how it's going to be handled. So that's the significance of the 10 year piece. Just so everybody's clear on that, it doesn't seismically change what's going on here, but it says that nobody, the judge is not going to look at Todd or whoever the other person is and say you just married them just for money. Because most people that just married for money are in and out in a year, two or three, not 11.

Carlos King (37:04)

And just so we know for the record, Candy is the one that actually filed for the divorce. Todd didn't. So I just wanted to make sure that fact was also presented because people are saying that all of this happened because, you know, Todd wanted to, to, you know, get the money is pretty much cash out.

Ebony K. Williams (37:21)

Yeah, cash out. Yeah.

Ebony K. Williams (37:26)

Well, I wanted to add this too, Carlos, because I think you're right. First of all, you're exactly right. I think people look at, he signed the document, it's legally binding, Case closed. While that's not the now, it is important that he signed the document. I do want to be clear, it's not a nothing sandwich, okay. Because he signed the document. And there's also a part in the wedding special, or maybe it's an episode of the next season where he says on camera, against my attorney's advice.

Ebony K. Williams (37:53)

Against my attorney's advice. I signed the document because no piece of paper. I'm paraphrasing now, but no piece of paper is going to get in the way of me and Candy being together. That's not going to be a good fact for Todd Tucker, however. It's not. But it's not going to be a good fact for him, Carlos. But it's not controlling enough to undermine his entire claim. And part of the reason why is what I'm about to tell you and point out now, both of their lawyers are going to make arguments around whether or not his signing of the prenup was what we call truly voluntary. Was it truly voluntary? And when he says what I just said, he said against my attorney's advice, I signed it anyway. That goes to it being voluntary. Right. But you know what doesn't bode well for Candy's side of this argument and it being truly voluntary? The time frame. The fact that these two were 24 hours before their wedding. Still going back and forth around the document itself clauses, what this means, interpretation already, that's a flag to any judge, Carlos. Because ideally for a prenup to be deemed kind of best practices, this should have been done months ago. Months ago, this should have been in the can. This is what this really is supposed to look like in best practices is we set a wedding date.

Ebony K. Williams (39:20)

And we each give our lawyers the document. Your lawyer drafts it, they send it to my lawyer. We spend, at least on average, with this kind of money involved, a month to three months negotiating back and forth, what's fair, what I like, what you like. Cut this out, Redact this. Da, da da da da da. Then we agree on the document. I sign, you sign. It's notarized, it's in the can. At least a month, if not three or four months ahead of the wedding date. When you are just the nature of the pressure cooker of vows. Start in 24 hours. Now, that could easily be construed as duress in its own form. Is that making sense? Just the nature of the timeline can be construed as an aspect of duress. And I don't know that this is on Candy, so I'm not saying that raindrops, but what I'm saying is that's going to be investigated by the judge, Ms. Burris and your counsel. When did you deliver the initial draft to Mr. Todd Tucker and how long did his counsel have to review it? And when did they get the revisions? And how long did you to see. Did you allow adequate, reasonable time of review, consideration and negotiation and execution of the documentation. Because if the court deems you did not and that you kind of tried to run the clock out so that you felt like your decision is marry the love of my life or sign the document ill advised, that wouldn't bode well for Ms. Burris.

Carlos King (40:53)

I have to ask the question because it's in the comments and I want to get your expert opinion. A lot of people are saying that with Todd because. Okay, Candy counter claimed Todd's response and said that they will use the Bravo footage of the wedding series to show that he did sign it. Now, with that being said, the fact of the matter is Todd did sign it the morning of his wedding. He did not have a lawyer present. Yes, the Bravo cameras were there. But the question does remain. Do you think that Todd was smart enough to know that at the end of the day, God forbid, something may go awry? I do have this to protect myself.

Ebony K. Williams (41:42)

You mean the footage to protect himself.

Carlos King (41:45)

The footage of the fact that he is signing the morning of.

Carlos King (41:51)

And everything that led to it. Him having issues with Mama Joyce, his mother makes you rest in peace. And Mama Joyce almost getting the physical altercation the day before the wedding. He's being, you know, him and Candy are getting to an argument.

Ebony K. Williams (42:07)

I'm tell you something else. I'm going to tell you something else that would work in his favor. Again, not controlling, but just something in his bucket. There was a couple of times that morning, or the day before rather, where Candy was saying things like, what do you need to talk to your lawyer for? Talk to him for what? This is open, you know, this is simple. You're making something out of nothing. That kind of language, not ideal for showing voluntariness. Because what ideally would have been said is like, of course, baby, call your counsel, call them a million times. Go over it a thousand times. I want you to be completely comfortable with all the terms and conditions in the document before we walk down this aisle. That's what a judge is ideally looking for. Not anything that looks to try to circumvent the conversation with counsel because it's very important.

Carlos King (42:58)

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A few more minutes. I'm going to get back to work. I want to. I want to get into this so that. So range on. That's all the legalities that we know. As of today, December 4th, as of December 4th, 6:47pm Eastern, Todd's attorney, Randy Kessler, has not counter counterclaim to Candy's response. Now, yesterday, Ebony, the very credible people magazine, revealed that a source said that Candy Burris discovered that Todd Tucker was talking to other women behind her back that same day. Yesterday, Candy revealed on her Instagram a post where she said how she has been dealing with this for months and that sometimes we have to check on your strong crib. She had a photo slide of her smiling and said that she was hurting and was in pain emotionally behind these photos. Today, today, today, Todd posted a photo of him in a scenery background saying how he's with somebody, a friend of his, and he's. This journey has been difficult for him.

Ebony K. Williams (44:15)

Are these right?

Carlos King (44:17)

It's the timing. Do you think these two people are using the media to influence the public perception of. Did Todd cheat on Candy? I'm emotionally distressed, too. Not just her. Is that a factor in this, that that could help the case legally?

Ebony K. Williams (44:39)

I think they're doing what people in their position kind of have to do right now, Carlos, which is do two things at once. They are letting their lawyers, their actual lawyers.

Ebony K. Williams (44:51)

Navigate this very real issue of divorce and custody and all these things in the court of law. And because of just how hugely public Candy and now Todd are, they are working the court of public opinion at the same time. Because if they were to do the thing that we used to be told and advised to do in this business, which is let it play out in court and the public opinion piece will take care of itself, we're seeing now that that no longer is effective. Those are no longer the times we're living in. Carlos King So they are doing what public figures of their magnitude must do, actually, I would say, which is get in front of some of this public narrative immediately and as soon as possible. So Candy probably, or her team probably, I think, correctly assumed that if there starts to be an argument around infidelity or bad actions on the part of Todd Tucker, his legal team would then go to her Instagram and pull all of these beautiful, gorgeous photos of Candi Burruss in July, of Candy Burris in March, of Candy Burris in September, and say, for a woman who was going through all that, you just told this court you're going through, I certainly can't tell.

Ebony K. Williams (46:06)

I'm just telling you how it go down in the war room, baby. I'm telling you how I go down the war room. I'm telling you how I go down in the depositions, because I've sat in them. I have done the questioning. Well, ma', am, you just told me that your husband was cheating on you with your best friend and this and that, and you going through it, and you got postpartum and Was this you having postpartum in Malibu? Was this. You have. This is how it go down, baby. So this is Candy and her team saying, oh, no, we're not going to allow for that. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're going to get in front of that narrative and we're gonna say, despite what it looks like, despite all the, you know, what's it, 1800 hawker. I mean, her, the stylist, but, you know, behind the red carpet. Oh, my God. God dang it.

Ebony K. Williams (46:55)

Everything okay? Back to the business at hand. Sorry. I was literally gagged. Despite all of that stunning gorgeousness that you see on your screens, my heart was breaking. I was absolutely devastated. I'm literally going through. And then now, 24 hours later. We're not going to let that go unanswered if we're Todd Tucker and his team, right, because certainly we're not going to let the opposing council, you know, opposing party at this point, which they are adversaries, ladies and gentlemen. Don't be confused not saying they hate each other, not even saying they don't still love each other, but when it comes to what this is, in this point in time, they are adversarial to one another. You better fucking believe it. Okay, so he's not going to allow his now adversary to take that argument and run with it unanswered. So now we too have to make our case that despite what it looked like and the holding hands and the red carpets, I too was struggling. I, too was going through.

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So we'll see.

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Ebony K. Williams (50:57)

Something else I want to point out before I go. Carlos. What we don't know is whether or not this. This prenuptial agreement had something called a bad boy clause. Okay. This says that a part of the divvying of the assets, a lot is predicated on behavior. Now, these are very common because they're very hard to enforce and very hard to prove. But it is.

Ebony K. Williams (51:24)

It is something that we see sometimes. It's rumored that Jessica Biel and Justin Timberlake have such a clause that says in addition to the basic consideration, who has what, who made what, who brought what to the table and when they bought it, and da, da, da. We're also going to consider before we make the division of assets and liabilities take into Account whether one or either party committed infidelity was a bad actor, if indeed fidelity is even a consideration in the marriage. So we don't know. And I have no reason to know because I wouldn't know. Right. We haven't seen the documents yet, but I just want raindrops to put that on the radar that if indeed there was a bad boy clause that says all of this looks different if Mr. Tucker is proven to be out of fidelity or maybe if Ms. Burgess is proven to be. And sometimes they go one way. So don't assume that what's good for the goose is good for the other. I've seen bad boy clauses that only apply to the husbands. I've seen bad woman clauses that only apply to the wife because it's understood that the husband, because he's bringing the whole bag, can do whatever he want to do. But you, you better not think about it. I've seen it, so I'm just telling you what it is. Okay.

Carlos King (52:39)

Okay.

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Ebony K. Williams (52:40)

Yeah, go ahead, Go ahead.

Carlos King (52:42)

Two more questions. With that being said. With that being said. With that being said, Candy and Todd have been very public and open about inviting women in their bedroom. It's been something that they've been very open about. They, they. This is not a secret. They have threesomes. They've been very open about it. They had that understanding. If there is a bad boy cloth or bad woman clause in the agree in the, in the prenuptial agreement, is it plausible to say, if Todd decided to be with a woman independently of Candy, although Candy has allowed women to enter their bedroom together.

Carlos King (53:23)

Is that considered cheating? Because he does have a free pass to sleep with other women based on, from my understanding, watching the show if she was around. But is that considered cheating? And, and we have seen videos of them on Instagram. They been on boats with, with, with a third, you know, with another woman and seem to be having a good golly time.

Ebony K. Williams (53:53)

So this is the height of judges discretion, Carlos. And this is where, you know, one thing we say in the law, and I've heard this since my first day of law school, is the law always lag behind society? Right. So what we know are these notions of whether it's threesomes or more broader polyamory. They've always existed. No one's naive to it, but the, the, the, the visibility and maybe the frequency is, is, Is peaking. It's climaxing. Right. Pardon the pun. Okay. So because of that, I could see this is going to be what judge do you get on what day? And what are their personal kind of values around this sort of thing? You can end up in front of a judge that's very kind of old school and traditional. It feels like my grandma, don't start nothing you can't finish, okay? May she rest in peace. So, hey, young lady, you allowed, you know, you broke the seal, so to speak. You know, and once you break the seal and allow one woman into your bed, you are tacitly inviting unlimited women at unlimited times. And it will only be a fool that thinks she can control the nature of it. Once we've allowed permissible third party participation. That's one perspective. You could get a more evolved. We'll say judge, men or woman of any age, by the way, that says, hey, no, it don't go like that.

Ebony K. Williams (55:15)

The couple must be in complete agreement at all times on what the rules and participation look like. So if she's known, if Ms. Burris knows and she's volunteering and she's willing, then it's permissible. But any activity outside of her knowledge, outside of her permissiveness, this court is going to deem to be out of fidelity of the agreed upon relationship. So that's going to ultimately be the height of a judge's discretion point.

Carlos King (55:44)

Okay, and my last question for you is this. You were very honest about, you know, not dating a bus driver, right? And girl, you went viral.

Ebony K. Williams (56:01)

Absolutely not.

Carlos King (56:03)

Yes. And listen, it was split. A lot of people on your side. A lot of people were not on your side.

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Carlos King (56:09)

Let's have a conversation. The last question for Abby K. Williams, at least of tonight, because she will be back.

Carlos King (56:17)

You are a woman of means. You are a highly educated woman, and you are a celebrity.

Carlos King (56:23)

You, like I said, been open about not dating the bus driver based on the fact that the financial difference between Candy and Todd entering the relationship and now he's asking for possible child support, alimony. Are these the reasons why you felt so strongly about not dating a bus driver? To prevent yourself from being in the situation.

Ebony K. Williams (56:52)

But of course, that's an easy answer. No shame. In my game, Raindrops, this is very much a part, not exclusively, but a very real part of why I personally. This is a me decision. Each woman, each man, each person gets to make this decision for themselves. But for me, this would not be a risk I would be willing to take. And that's based on a few things, right? Raindrops. It's based off my personal value system. I'm very old school. I'm very much of the traditional mindset and that I think Men, in this nation, we live in a patriarchy. And I believe that men, despite challenges that they also go through, I think they are put in best position to climb the capitalism ladder of this nation based off of male patriarchal systems. So what do I look like tethering myself legally for sure to a man that I'm out earning when the whole system is designed for you to out earn me? So I got a problem with that. And I have no problem saying that. Put it on a T shirt, that's fine, totally fine with it. But in addition to that, because I have practiced family law, I know what it's like to see Sherry. And I also have relationships with women who have paid child support for their own children. I have relationships with women who have paid spousal support to men for years, to multiple men. Some of these women, and they're not all famous, some of them are accountants, some of them are CEOs, some of them are, you know, work in healthcare, physicians, you know, and that's again, not a risk I am personally willing to take. So I want to be clear before anybody thinks anything funny style. I am not calling Todd Tucker a bus driver at all. I believe that Todd was a working individual, that he bought many things to the table and Candy made sure we knew that. But the discrepancy is undisputed. The financial discrepancy between herself and Todd remained severe. And when there is a severe discrepancy from the man, the woman, whoever it is, this risk of money grab accusations is going to always be at play.

Carlos King (58:59)

Ebony, I know you got to run. Thank you so much, my love, for breaking this down for us. You are. Listen, she knows this already. You have been heavily requested. You, you're always requested. And I know you're busy on the west coast, but I want to say thank you so much for taking time out. I love you and get my best of liberty. And I will see you soon, my love.

Ebony K. Williams (59:20)

I will. Love you, Raindrops. See y' all soon. Bye, sweetie. Bye, Carlos.

Carlos King (59:26)

All right, so Raindrops, you have it here. Ebony broke it down. Ebony broke it down. Ebony broke it down. Ebony broke it down. I want to read the super chats really fast before I have to run myself child, to get my food.

Carlos King (59:46)

I gotta eat too. Seven o' clock job, sweet talks. The mama Joyce's behavior, along with the pressure of being filmed at to the duress. I mean, look, I, I, I think what we're seeing now is.

Carlos King (60:00)

I thought Candy's filing for divorce was very straight and narrow.

Carlos King (60:07)

It wasn't anything that I thought was salacious. Then Todd responded. And Todd. I think when Todd asked for.

Carlos King (60:17)

If they're unable to agree to. To join to the custody of the kids, then, you know, he would want xyz. I think that's when people started perkling, like, wait, what's going on? And then when he challenged the prenup. Challenging. Challenging. Excuse me, the prenup. I think the audience was like, oh, this is about to get a little messy. So to answer your question, sweet tea talks. I don't know. I think more is going to come out. And one thing I will say about being in the media is this, okay? And hear me lobbing to the raindrops.

Carlos King (60:50)

When you see things like breadcrumbs being dropped.

Carlos King (60:56)

Something big is about to happen. When you see, like, little breadcrumbs. And People magazine is very different than. I don't want. I don't want to mention another outlet because I'm not trying to, like, say one is higher than the other. But what I will say is People magazine, in order for them to publish a story, and I know this for a fact. I am a journalist. Hey, Portia.

Carlos King (61:22)

People magazine is the most credible entertainment magazine in the world. In order for them to publish anything from a source, they need more than two sources. And that's just a fact.

Carlos King (61:38)

Let me sweat. And job. That's a fact. You need more than two sources for People magazine to publish anything. They're not going to take a phone call from Edna.

Carlos King (61:50)

Because she heard on the streets, MLK and First Avenue or, you know, she read on the YouTube streets, child. What? No, they're not going to. Which I think a lot of people should not do. But I digress. Stop reporting on things that isn't substantial. Anyways. They're not going to report on anything unless they get multiple sources. So what. What happened yesterday? I was like.

Carlos King (62:24)

People magazine, my People. So that happened. And then I know you guys.

Carlos King (62:36)

Wait a minute, Carlos. Ms. Edna's reliable, too. Yes, child. But I'm just saying, not when it comes to sources that People magazine is going to take without talking to Miss Edna in addition to two more People, child. That's all I'm saying. Okay? So when I saw that, I was like, oh, these are breadcrumbs. Because that's how the media works. It is what it is, child.

Ebony K. Williams (62:56)

Okay.

Carlos King (62:59)

Oh, I missed this. This is a question for Ebony, Molina and C. Hey, Carlos and Ebony. If Todd cheated, could he still get alimony? Love y'. All. I'll bring. You know what I want to do, actually.

Carlos King (63:15)

I want me and Ebony to come back and then.

Carlos King (63:22)

Maybe bring on a Georgia divorce lawyer to talk to Eboni.

Carlos King (63:30)

Which I like that, because the thing is this. Everything is contingent on the state when you get married. State laws are different, as you all know.

Carlos King (63:41)

That's that. All right, last question from page 4128. Carlos, as a producer for Candy's wedding special, how did you feel about Candy giving Todd the prenup 48 hours? 48 hours before the wedding, I saw that. The comment. First of all, I. I have no feelings in terms of. I follow. Me as a producer. I follow the reality. I don't. I don't invoke my personal opinion based on the reality of the people we're filming. So I was too busy following it in real time. I did see in the comments, though, a lot of you guys are saying that she gave him the prenup 48 hours before they got married. I don't. I don't know if that is true. I have to. I have to go back and watch the season.

Carlos King (64:31)

Based on my memory, I think he had it.

Ebony K. Williams (64:35)

I don't.

Carlos King (64:35)

Listen, I would. I don't think. Listen, I don't think Todd had a. A first draft of the prenup 48 hours before they were married. I don't think that's the case. I think what. What may have been the case is maybe the final draft on Candy's part was sent to him 48 hours, but I don't think he received a first draft 48 hours. So, you know.

Carlos King (65:06)

But what.

Ebony K. Williams (65:08)

Who.

Carlos King (65:08)

Okay, who. We watched the wedding special here. Okay. The diva. Just me said I heard he got it three weeks before.

Carlos King (65:19)

Okay.

Carlos King (65:23)

I'm. What I'm gonna do is look at the.

Carlos King (65:29)

The wedding special again, because I don't remember. I. I don't remember, but I. I do not. I'm 99 sure he did not receive a first draft 48 hours. I don't think so at all. I don't think that. But he did receive the final document the morning of the wedding because we were there filming it, so. All right, Rainbows. Listen, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We will be back more when more information occurs. And thank you guys so much. And I'm dropping. I'm dropping another episode tomorrow.

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