Reasonably Shady: Keep Hope Alive

Summary

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The Breakfast Club x Reasonably Shady: "Keep Hope Alive"

Date: March 1, 2026
Hosts: Robyn Dixon & Gizelle Bryant
Network: The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartRadio

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of "Reasonably Shady" blends laughs, pop culture deep-dives, and candid commentary on politics, reality TV, and black history. Robyn Dixon and Gizelle Bryant share personal anecdotes, discuss recent news like Prince Andrew’s arrest and the buzz around America's Next Top Model, and reminisce about pop culture milestones with their trademark wit and shade. The episode closes with a look at Boris Kodjoe’s insight on African geopolitics, food pairings, and Black History Month tributes, offering listeners both hilarity and substance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shady Moments of the Week

[03:02-09:00]

• Snow in the Parking Lot: Gizelle’s “shady moment” involves a 20ft snow mound placed in the middle of Baltimore strip mall parking. Both hosts mock the decision:

  "That is the dumbest shit I've ever seen...This is definitely a man. No woman absolutely would ever think this is smart." – Gizelle, [04:58]

• USPS Package Issues: Robyn’s shady experience centers around missing merchandise shipments and increasing postal issues, including a rat-infested box of Khloe Kardashian’s popcorn:

  "Rats didn't ate through that chip...They handed it to me...I looked in the hole, and everything is torn to smithereens." – Gizelle, [07:44]

• Commentary on Public Services: The hosts slam the postal service’s delivery and pest control failures, both concluding: "All of it. Disgusting. I'm a little traumatized." – Robyn, [08:55]

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2. Headlines & Hot Topics

[09:01-15:42]

• Prince Andrew’s Arrest and the Epstein Files:
  Both react to the UK arrest of Prince Andrew over misconduct—distinct from direct sexual abuse allegations—and the slow accountability for those implicated in the Epstein case.

  "Why wouldn't they do that? Because they're lazy." – Robyn, on the parking lot snow; but similar frustration evident about the Prince Andrew situation.
  "I just hope that the releasing of all these Epstein files are not in vain." – Gizelle, [13:06]

• Pam Bondi & Political Accountability:
  Robyn and Gizelle roast Pam Bondi’s pro-Trump posturing in legal settings, lamenting the lack of dignity and integrity in public office.

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3. Olympic Village Antics

[13:24-15:42]

• Reports of the Olympic athletes running out of 10,000 condoms in just three days spark a funny, candid breakdown of athletes’ “energy preservation” and personal stories about “no sex before game day” rules in professional sports families.

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4. America's Next Top Model Documentary Recap

[18:31-30:28]

• Reality TV Then & Now:
  Gizelle reviews the new Netflix documentary on ANTM, critiquing past production choices:

  "They show kind of like them in the bed and he's on top of her...She's mortified." – Gizelle, recounting Season 2's controversial episode, [21:22]

• Production Ethics & Tyra Banks' Response:
  Gizelle calls out Tyra Banks for dodging responsibility:

  "That was a production issue that really didn't have anything to do with me. What? Okay, last I checked, Tyra, you were an EP on this show." – Gizelle, [23:20]

• Generational Change & Accountability:
  Both reflect on changing cultural standards and credit younger generations for speaking up.

• Problematic Challenges:
  The hosts revisit blackface and ethnicity "challenges" as examples of what is now unacceptable.

• Lack of Rewards:
  Final critique that hardly any contestants benefitted long-term from the show.

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5. Black History Month Spotlight

[30:29-35:00]

• Tribute to Jesse Jackson:
  The hosts honor Jesse Jackson's civil rights legacy and his “Keep Hope Alive” motto following his passing:

  "In honor of Jesse Jackson, we will continue to keep hope alive." – Gizelle, [31:07]

• Obama & the Aliens:
  Playful speculation about Barack Obama’s comments on extraterrestrials.

• Black History Fact – Designer Ann Lowe:
  Robyn shares that Jackie Kennedy’s wedding dress designer was Black woman Ann Lowe.

  “That is so amazing that Jackie Kennedy entrusted a black woman to design her wedding dress." – Gizelle, [34:54]

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6. Pop Culture & Intellectual Black Men

[35:51-47:19]

• Boris Kodjoe's Podcast Appearance:
  Gizelle raves about Kodjoe’s take on post-colonial Africa, highlighting how some European countries still colonize African nations.

  "I was struck by his... astuteness to how things are [and] have not changed." – Gizelle, [37:08]

• Podcast Plug: The episode was on the "154 Africa" podcast with Godfrey and Akbar [44:26]

• Pairings: Food Combos & Genius:
  The hosts joke about classic food pairings and debate their own favorites, with Robyn choosing chips & salsa and Gizelle going for chocolate & strawberries or Neapolitan ice cream [39:50-42:53].

  "How did they say, like, oh, those little chickens walking around...let's chop them up…take the feathers off and eat it?" – Robyn, [43:15]

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7. Cultural Commentary & Industry Gossip

[47:19-50:22]

• Revisiting Old Comedy & Hollywood Pressures:
  Discussion on comedians like Katt Williams and Dave Chappelle resisting industry pressure to wear dresses, seen as a form of emasculation.

• Love & Hip Hop Atlanta Returns:
  Gizelle excitedly announces the reality soap’s new season return, calling it:

  "a soap opera, I tell you. It is comedy. It is pure entertainment, and I am here for all of it." [50:12]

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Notable Quotes

• "It's the stupidity of idiots that are not women. The end." – Gizelle, [05:34]
• "All of it. Disgusting. All of it. Yeah. I'm a little traumatized." – Robyn, [08:55]
• "If you have done some horrible things in your past, don't run for office." – Gizelle, [12:55]
• "That was a production issue that really didn’t have anything to do with me. What? Last I checked, Tyra, you were an EP on this show.” – Gizelle, [23:20]
• "Kudos to the younger generation for speaking up." – Gizelle, [26:24]
• "In honor of Jesse Jackson, we will continue to keep hope alive." – Gizelle, [31:07]
• "I love an intellectual podcast with handsome black men." – Robyn, [45:09]
• "It's so crazy how they're pulling up all these old clips now that we have the Epstein files." – Gizelle, [47:19]
• "It's hard out here… once things went down for Diddy, it was like, open sesame." – Robyn, [49:18]
• "It is the biggest soap opera… It is comedy. It is pure entertainment, and I am here for all of it." – Gizelle, [50:12]

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Important Timestamps

• Shady Moments: [03:02–09:00]
• Prince Andrew & Epstein Discussion: [09:01–13:19]
• Olympic Condom Shortage: [13:24–15:42]
• America's Next Top Model Recap & Documentary: [18:31–30:28]
• Black History Month: Jesse Jackson & Ann Lowe: [30:29–35:00]
• Boris Kodjoe & 154 Africa Podcast: [35:51–44:26]
• Food Pairings & Eating Philosophy: [39:00–43:54]
• Industry Commentary (Hollywood, Podcasts): [47:19–49:18]
• Love & Hip Hop Atlanta Return: [49:26–50:22]

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a blend of sharp wit, cultural critique, and personal storytelling. Robyn and Gizelle effortlessly move between serious topics—like systemic injustice and reality TV exploitation—and pure entertainment. Throughout, they amplify Black history and contemporary voices, reminding listeners to stay “reasonably shady” and always “keep hope alive.”

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Transcript

[Robyn Dixon]

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[Robyn Dixon]

welcome to Reasonably Shady, a production of the Black Effect podcast network and iHeartRadio.

[Gisele Bryant]

Welcome to another episode of Reasonably Shanty. I am Gisele Bryant. What's up?

[Robyn Dixon]

What's up I'm Robyn Dixon. Thank you for being here with us once again. Yes, yes. We appreciate you. Like always.

[Gisele Bryant]

Like always. We are in the building. It's a little gloomy outside, but we are not gloomy. No, we are. Sunshine and roses are not. Yes, we are not. For sure.

[Robyn Dixon]

The snow is no longer here. Everything's melted for the most part.

[Gisele Bryant]

No. Okay. One of my shady moments is something that's not melting.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

We might as well just get into it.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. So I went to go. This was. This was three days ago.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

I go to Baltimore to Cal's spot to get my hair done. Have you ever been to his spot?

[Robyn Dixon]

Mm. Okay. Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

So, you know. So it's like a strip mall type thing. So it's like a building with a bunch of parking spaces, right?

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. So whenever it snowed, I guess the person that decided to, like, clean up the snow and, like, make it so that we could use the parking lot.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

They put all the snow in the middle of the parking lot.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, my.

[Gisele Bryant]

And it's maybe 20ft high. Like, it's the biggest amount of snow I've ever seen. Okay, so. So it's like 20ft high. It's taken about 10, 15 parking spaces.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

Why wouldn't you push all the snow to, like, this far, right? Or far away? Why wouldn't they do that?

[Robyn Dixon]

Because they're lazy. So wait, so it's in the middle. So then are there parking spots open behind it?

[Gisele Bryant]

There's parking a little bit behind it, but it's right in the middle. So there's parking on the side, a little bit in the front, a little bit in the back. Cause the parking lot is huge. But y' all put the entire mound of snow 20ft high in the middle of the parking lot. So imagine going to, like, Target, Walmart, and the snow is all in the middle, Right. That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen. So I'm like, cal, who did this? And he's like. Like, I know, right? I said, this is definitely a man.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right?

[Gisele Bryant]

No woman absolutely would ever think this is smart. Right?

[Robyn Dixon]

It's the best place to put the snow.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

Like, they should have put him. Put it all around the outside, around

[Gisele Bryant]

the edges, on the outside. And then you wouldn't be taking up all these parking spaces. Ye. This is the work of idiots. And so I said, this snow is because it's 20ft high. It's gonna be here until August.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's the problem.

[Robyn Dixon]

And it's hard. It's A rock.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes. And it's a big piece. It's like ice mountain, right? Yes. You can slide off the back of that thing. Get your sled.

[Robyn Dixon]

It is.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. It is crazy. But, yes, that is my shady moment. It's the stupidity of idiots that are not women.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right?

[Gisele Bryant]

The end.

[Robyn Dixon]

We know. It's me. We know. We know. We are clear. We know.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay, so my shady moment is just. I don't know what is going on with the postal service, okay? They have been losing packages left and right, like, out of control. And I'm talking about packages of people ordering reasonably shady merch.

[Gisele Bryant]

Really?

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes. In my embellished hats. Like, we keep getting messages and emails

[Gisele Bryant]

from people saying that they're lost.

[Robyn Dixon]

That saying. Like, it says, you know, I track my package. It says it was delivered. It was never delivered. And usually. And this, you know, I've been in business with embellished for, I don't know, gosh, four or five years now.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

And so that'll happen, but then the package will usually show up in, like, a couple of days or something. Cause for whatever reason, like, sometimes the mail carriers mark, they have to, like, reach a quota, and so they'll mark packages as delivered for the day, and then they're not. And then they'll deliver them, like, the next day or the next day, or sometimes they deliver them to the wrong house and your neighbor kind of like, like, oh, this is not my package. They give them to you.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

No, none of these packages. Packages are showing up for these people.

[Gisele Bryant]

What? We're not getting our people. They stuff.

[Robyn Dixon]

They're not getting their stuff. And so we either got to, like, resend it or, I don't know, some of them doing chargebacks, and I'm like,

[Gisele Bryant]

come on now, y'.

[Robyn Dixon]

All. I'm like, don't do that.

[Gisele Bryant]

Like, like, we'll send you some more.

[Robyn Dixon]

We'll resend it.

[Gisele Bryant]

But it.

[Robyn Dixon]

It's weird. It's just happening a lot more frequently, like, than it has in the past. It's very annoying.

[Gisele Bryant]

I went to. So we're sorry for that. Let me just say that first and foremost, sorry for that. I went to the post office actually, yesterday because, you know, I don't check my P.O. box, like, all the time, but I just. I was in there. I was in the area. So I guess Khloe Kardashian's people, they sent me a box, a huge box of the cloud popcorn.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. Oh, nice.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. Rats didn't ate through that chip. No. Oh, yeah. So they. They were like.

[Robyn Dixon]

They.

[Gisele Bryant]

They Handed it to me.

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[Gisele Bryant]

And then I turned it, and I realized, like, there was a hole in the box. And then I, like, looked in the hole, and everything in there is, like, torn to smithereens and gone. So I said.

[Dr. J. Barnett]

Oh.

[Gisele Bryant]

He said, oh, I think the rats got it. You think? Oh, you think? Oh, my God.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah. I'm disturbing your shady moment.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. That was disgusting. Actually, I forgot.

[Robyn Dixon]

Touch the box.

[Gisele Bryant]

You think about the rats running all on the box. So he said, do you want to file a claim? File a claim. No, I don't. I just want to leave and act like this moment never happened.

[Robyn Dixon]

Just have them resend it to your house. Then you just. Of course.

[Gisele Bryant]

Like, right away. Yeah. You can't leave food. Food at the post office.

[Robyn Dixon]

No.

[Gisele Bryant]

But had I known, I would have been. Gotten it. Oh, my God. Oh, yes. I mean, and it was probably. I don't know, it was a huge box.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Them rats went to town. Damn.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah. So disgusting.

[Gisele Bryant]

Absolutely disgusting. So. Yes. The United States Postal Service needs to get it together.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Well, yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

Now they need to get there. The pest control.

[Gisele Bryant]

Let's get that pest control together.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's like.

[Robyn Dixon]

So just a met.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. No. All of it. All of it. Disgusting. All of it. Yeah. I'm a little traumatized.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. So just. Just to today or the other day, whatever. Prince Andrew has been arrested.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

For his affiliation. His whatever.

[Robyn Dixon]

Whatever.

[Gisele Bryant]

The Epstein. Because Epstein's files have been dropping.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

Left, right.

[Robyn Dixon]

And the third.

[Gisele Bryant]

And so they didn't say. Okay, over here in England, we don't participate in all this Epstein nonsense. You will be arrested. But what took this long?

[Robyn Dixon]

Because this has been a top. I feel like we've known about Prince Andrew.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

For a very long time.

[Gisele Bryant]

100%. And was it. I don't know. I don't know what took so long.

[Robyn Dixon]

Or was it that there was never. It was just speculation that he was involved. And then now that. But the files are dropping. They're getting concrete evidence. Evidence.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. And I don't. I think now that the files are dropping. Yes. There's concrete. He said X, Y, and Z, but I don't even necessarily know if it's about him being a pedophile. I think allegedly. I think it's about something he said. I think he was telling, like, secret information. I think he was telling royal business. Something happened with that. It's not straight up. Like, we know you are out here messing with young kids. That's why we're arresting you.

[Robyn Dixon]

Really? I believe I saw that Virginia Guthrie.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

Her family released a statement pretty much saying, like, thank God. Yes. That they were happy that he was finally being arrested or held accountable.

[Gisele Bryant]

Right.

[Robyn Dixon]

So it had to. I would think, had to maybe involve some of that.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, I would hope so. But his main connection to all this was her. Because she decided. Yeah, I'm telling.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

And then. But you know, she's unalived. Yes. Okay. And you know she said, I would never commit suicide, right? Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

And now she's.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

She supposedly committed suicide. Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

All right, so let's see. He was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office. Okay. This followed revelations from released Jeffrey Epstein files suggest suggesting he passed confidential government information.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

To the convicted sex offender while serving as a UK trade envoy. Yeah. So they're arresting. On him.

[Gisele Bryant]

Rest.

[Robyn Dixon]

Arresting him on something not even related to Virginia or any type of sexual misconduct. Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

But I mean, listen, I'll take it.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

I'll take it. But I am. Because all of these guys are leaving their jobs left and right. In the third.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

In other countries.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right, Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

We still waiting for United States to follow suit.

[Robyn Dixon]

I mean, when they say, I guess the person in charge of the Olympics that are going to be held in LA next, he's involved. And so people are trying to urge him to step down. Yeah. But it. But like I said before yet, where you want all these people to be held accountable and step down. But the man whose name is in the files, what they say, like 38,000,

[Gisele Bryant]

thousand times, like, he just cool. He's just cool. The whole Pam Bondi of it all. And I'm not gonna. We're gonna. Not gonna stay here long. But the Pam Bondi of it all and her testifying and her actions and the way that she just acted like a stone cold asshole.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

Was bothersome.

[Robyn Dixon]

Well, she sounded like a parrot for Trump. Yes. She sounded like she had her Trump talking points and she. It was like. It was kind of. It was very cringey and embarrassing because it's like, lady, you are literally reading off Trump talking points.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

And you're getting them out. Like, you just are finding anytime, any opportunity to get them out.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

What do you have Trump derangement syndrome?

[Gisele Bryant]

Like, what? You're not even a liar. You're not even a lawyer. Like, what? You're a horrible lawyer.

[Robyn Dixon]

No. Huh. This is good point.

[Gisele Bryant]

I just need everybody to do their research on her.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Because I have.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

I'm gonna keep it to myself. Y' all do it. Y' all do it in your own private moments.

[Robyn Dixon]

I just need everyone that's in public office, just do your damn job and do it with respect and dignity. Just do it. Like what? I don't. I don't care what party you are. Just do.

[Gisele Bryant]

Just do your job. And if you have done some horrible things in your past, don't run for office.

[Robyn Dixon]

The best part.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay, well.

[Robyn Dixon]

But they see that it doesn't matter, depending on who you're friends with.

[Gisele Bryant]

Well, I just. I just hope that the releasing of all these Epstein files are not in vain. I hope that a whole lot of things.

[Robyn Dixon]

I feel like they are changed. Like, right now, I feel like they're in vain.

[Gisele Bryant]

And that's unfortunate. Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

But we'll see.

[Gisele Bryant]

All right. All right. Now, I do want to get on to a lighter note.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes, please.

[Gisele Bryant]

Because they are saying that, you know, the Olympics are going on now in the Olympic Village. They ran out of condoms.

[Robyn Dixon]

I heard about that, like, instantly.

[Gisele Bryant]

And they ran through 10,000 condoms in three days. Aren't y' all supposed to be getting ready for your sport?

[Robyn Dixon]

You supposed to be preserving your energy. Y' all are going.

[Gisele Bryant]

Y' all are having sex like rabbits. What? 10,000 condoms in three days.

[Robyn Dixon]

They are getting their life. This is the best time of their life.

[Gisele Bryant]

But now when I know that they're, like, falling and tripping and they're coming down the slopes, and y' all are. That's why y' all are doing a tumble. I know why.

[Robyn Dixon]

That's why.

[Gisele Bryant]

Because you used about 8,000 of those condoms last night. This is horrible.

[Robyn Dixon]

You used all of your energy. Yes. The night before, maybe even the morning before.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, like. But aren't you, as an athlete, aren't you supposed to preserve your energy?

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[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah, but hey.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes. They can't help. Did Juan have a rule when he was in. I know we've talked about this before. When he was in the league.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

It was no sex game day, Right? Was it?

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. What about the night before?

[Robyn Dixon]

Not supposed to. But, like. Okay, we would. Like, he would try. It would be an. Like, you would. You would try not to. Okay. Or just keep that in mind.

[Gisele Bryant]

Keep that in mind. The day before.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

What about two days before now? You're good. Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

You're good. Okay, but even if it's the day before, like, okay, like, earlier in the day, fine. But, like, don't be, like, up late at night.

[Gisele Bryant]

Earlier in the day. The day before. Yes, but not late at night. Not. Not Right.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

No. No. Nighttime sessions.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. And definitely not in the morning day.

[Robyn Dixon]

No, no, no, no.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. You know, I used to date a football player, okay. And he was like, Wednesday was the cut off.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, really?

[Gisele Bryant]

They had a game Sunday. Wednesday's the cut off.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, wow.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

But I'm like, that's what I said.

[Robyn Dixon]

Damn.

[Gisele Bryant]

Like, good Lord. How much are you trying to store?

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, because I feel like men, they got to get it out and

[Gisele Bryant]

that's how they get it out on Sunday.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, it's so that.

[Gisele Bryant]

So it's the building of intensity. It's like, I want to kill everybody. I want to kill. Okay. Anyway, moving on. We digress.

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[Gisele Bryant]

Okay, so I do want to talk about America's Next Top Model.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, yes. You watched it all three episodes?

[Gisele Bryant]

I watched all three episodes. Get through it real quick on Netflix. Is it Netflix?

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes, Netflix.

[Gisele Bryant]

On Netflix is a documentary. And I told. We talked about it a couple weeks ago. How about. I was so excited that they're doing a documentary on America's Next Top Model because I watched. Well, I realized as I'm watching the documentary that I checked out after season three. Okay, maybe I jumped in season four, but I was pretty much done. I didn't.

[Robyn Dixon]

How many seasons were there?

[Gisele Bryant]

24. Damn. I had no clue. And I didn't even know they replaced Tyra's ass. They got rid of her, changed her out for Rita Ora. Oh, at what point? I think maybe at season 22. Maybe 20. You know, towards the end.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Anyway.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Have you seen this?

[Robyn Dixon]

I have not. So I started to watch it at nighttime in the bed, and I fell asleep. Okay, so tell me your thoughts.

[Gisele Bryant]

So definitely, I will say reality television has made some changes for the better, for the cast. You know, this is a situation in which they put all the girls in a house or in a room all together, and they were like, we're gonna document everything.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

And unbeknownst to me, the rule was, if you go into the bathroom by yourself, we won't film it. But if you go in there with somebody else, we will film it.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, wow.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's what I said. What? There was a night that they went to. They went to another country. They went to maybe Milan or something. And this could have been season one, maybe season two. They go to Milan. It was season two. And, you know, there was a whole lot of drinking going on. They invited some guys over.

[Robyn Dixon]

Did they encourage them to drink?

[Gisele Bryant]

The drinking was there.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

They invited some. Well, I'm gonna say this. They invited. So they had worked with.

[Robyn Dixon]

And I would think a lot of them were under 21.

[Gisele Bryant]

They were.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

They did this photo shoot with some guys earlier in the day. Very nice looking Italian guys. They invited them back over to the crib that night. Production did.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

So, yeah, they were drinking. They passing the drinks. There's a hot tub. They all in the hot tub with the girls. And then one girl in particular, like, Ms. I'm from the country, USA. Like, you know, she worked at Walgreens. Right? Like, she was like Susie Q. Susie Q, sure. Susie Q. White girl.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah, Typical Midwestern.

[Gisele Bryant]

Midwestern. There we go. That's what I was looking for, Midwestern. She's in the hot tub with the guy. They drinking, drinking, drinking. Somewhere in the hot tub, she blacks out, right? She has. So they show them in the hot tub all over each other. They show them in the bed having sex.

[Robyn Dixon]

Wait, this is on the episode?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

They aired it on tv.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes. Like, they show kind of like them in the bed and he's on top of her. And mind you, the whole time she was talking about her boyfriend back at home, back in the Midwest. What season is this? This is two.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh.

[Gisele Bryant]

So I feel like.

[Robyn Dixon]

I feel like I watched early seasons, too.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. So then it gets better. Okay, think about this, Robyn. Okay. The next day, she's crying. She's mortified. She's like, oh, my God, what happened? Did I have sex with you? And she's like. He's like, yeah, whatever. Oh, no.

[Robyn Dixon]

So I feel like I remember this.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. It's horrible coming back. So then, mind you, Robin, they don't have phones. They don't give the girls phones because they're, you know, you're on lockdown. Kind of like a traders. Yeah. She says, I want to go home. Get me out of here. I'm leaving. They're like, oh, no, you're not. They were like. She's like, I need to talk to my boyfriend. I'm going home. They said, okay, here's a phone. Call him. So they get. I give her a phone. She calls her boyfriend. She's crying, crying, crying. And he's like, how could you do this to me? How could you do this to me? And she's in the corner of the room, hunched over in the fetal position, crying, bawling her eyes out. They show all of this. Wow. It is so. It's beyond evasive. Wow. Invasive. Invasive. What did I say?

[Robyn Dixon]

Evasive.

[Gisele Bryant]

Evasive. It's all of that. So then she said that the cameraman got up. I mean, after she was like, done. The cameraman said to her when it was all said and done, we're really sorry. This was horrible. Like, I'm really sorry. We had filmed this. You're sorry? Sorry, cameraman. Like, I'm just doing my job. They just do that. Like they just clocking in. So they asked Ms. Banks.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

That'd be the almighty Tyra. How you feel about the whole shandy thing? Yeah. Cause it was. I don't wanna say it's. Cause it wasn't like date rape, but it was just like, come on. She wasn't in her right mind. And y' all let this dude have sex with her.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

You know what Tyra said? What? The executive producer of the show. You know what she said?

[Robyn Dixon]

What?

[Gisele Bryant]

That was a production issue that really didn't have anything to do with me. What? Okay, last I checked, Tyra, you were an EP on this show.

[Robyn Dixon]

Trying to absolve herself of any liability, any lawsuits. Cause what's her name about the suit?

[Gisele Bryant]

Well, she was on there and she. Even to this day, this is. I don't know, 20 years later, this woman's crying, telling the story. Wow. So she was affected. Cause her and her boyfriend did get back together, but she said, this is the love of her life. He can never get over it. So they ended up breaking up. And, you know, she went on to live the rest of her life. Whatever.

[Robyn Dixon]

Wow.

[Gisele Bryant]

Tyra, you trying to wipe your hands of that? Yes. And ma', am, you can't.

[Robyn Dixon]

Wow.

[Gisele Bryant]

You cannot.

[Robyn Dixon]

Wow.

[Gisele Bryant]

That was bothersome to me.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes, Extremely.

[Gisele Bryant]

I'd be damned if a cameraman did that to. Well, obviously not me. Cause we're grown women and we would speak up for ourselves, but, like, to my child. Yeah. Yeah. That's horrible.

[Robyn Dixon]

But I feel like. I mean, think about it. So when it happened, because I feel like this, when you were going through the story, I'm like, okay. I actually feel like I remember this.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

It was no big deal.

[Gisele Bryant]

Was it? Like, we just. The audience, us. We watched it in, like, we watched it in disbelief, but we was watching.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

But it wasn't.

[Robyn Dixon]

But it wasn't like, oh, this is horrible. They need. You know, they.

[Gisele Bryant]

They should stop. They should.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah, they should. Should stop this show. And Tyrant Banks. How dare you do this? You know?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, no, it was. We didn't have. We didn't have that because. Because reality television was new to us. So we're just watching like, okay, this is what happens on reality.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. When the. When did the real world start? Like, in comparison to America's Next Top Model. So it definitely Real World was first. I'm assuming, you know, it was, but I'm saying, like, how many years, like we had, we had years of Real World of like the kind of, okay, just put the cameras, put these people in a house together, put the cameras on and let's see what happens.

[Gisele Bryant]

Right.

[Robyn Dixon]

I did see when I turned it on, like the very first part of the show, they were. Tyra was saying how it wasn't until the pandemic when people started getting angry,

[Gisele Bryant]

when they started rewatching it.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes, right.

[Robyn Dixon]

The younger people, the millennials, or like, who. I always get these damn generations mixed up.

[Gisele Bryant]

My kids.

[Robyn Dixon]

Generations, the millennials and younger. So when they're watching it during the pandemic, because they're binge watching it, they're getting angry at what they're watching.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, but when I saw it back, I was mortified. I was like, y' all let this happen.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right. But when we were watching it, it was fine. Same thing when we watched Diddy and how he treated all those people on whatever show he had making the band. It was fine. But today we wouldn't go for it.

[Gisele Bryant]

It's not fine. No, it is not fine.

[Robyn Dixon]

I could not imagine what else was fine. That's no longer fine.

[Gisele Bryant]

So many things.

[Robyn Dixon]

So, so many things.

[Gisele Bryant]

How about white parties? How about any island? There is no island. That is saints.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right?

[Gisele Bryant]

All of that. Yeah, all of it.

[Robyn Dixon]

All of that. None of that stuff is fine anymore. So, you know, kudos to the younger generation.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh. For speaking up.

[Robyn Dixon]

For watching that and seeing like, damn,

[Gisele Bryant]

this shit is up.

[Robyn Dixon]

And for. Hopefully we don't perpetuate that type of behavior.

[Gisele Bryant]

They were even doing, like, she don't have. The models had challenges. Yeah, they were doing challenges. They were like, okay, we're going to change your ethnicity. I saw. We're going to make you black face. What? I saw that.

[Robyn Dixon]

It's just like, okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

I just don't understand how. Okay, so all of that went down. But like years later, Tyra, your stance on it, your thoughts on it, what you say about it has gotta be different than that was a production issue.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Then you know, her and Jay fell out.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right? Well, she fell out with like everybody. Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

She fell out with everybody. But she did blame it on the network exec who said, we're getting rid of all three of them. Nigel J and J.

[Robyn Dixon]

Uh huh.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. Ms. J and J. Right. And she didn't. There was one point in time where Jay, the makeup artist. Jay wanted to leave. He wanted to take A break from the show. And so he wrote her an email saying, you know, this is a lot. I just really want to take a break. They're like, he's like, in season 10, so you can imagine, like, you just need a little break.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

She stopped speaking to him.

[Robyn Dixon]

Wow. Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Mind you, they started this together. They were friends prior to starting this show. So, you know, it just. He alluded to, like, it seemed that Tyra put the show over anything else and the network and all that. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

It seems she got pretty cold. Like, so if she can't in 2026, look back at what these girls say. Experienced.

[Gisele Bryant]

Right.

[Robyn Dixon]

And say, you know, in retrospect, at the time, we didn't think it was wrong, but now.

[Gisele Bryant]

But now we do.

[Robyn Dixon]

I'll be damned. Like, this type of behavior can't happen.

[Gisele Bryant]

She kind of said that, but not really. She's not really. And it was interesting. Cause Eva's not really in it. Eva's actually not in it. I mean, they show her, but she's not one of the people. Like the teacher. Yeah. Cause I know she's got a different POV on it now. Ain't no way. But the majority of the ladies that went through this whole thing are like, you know, f. Tyra. Like, Tyra, you're horrible. The girl that she was screaming, I was rooting for you. All of that foolishness. It was like, that girl is like, girl, get out, Tyra. Get out of here. Right, right. And they never got deals. That's the whole other thing. It's like, you went through America's Next Almana. You put me through all of this, all of these challenges, and at the end, I win, and I don't get it. And the deal is like, make believe. Yeah. Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

No, it's like, nothing. I mean, that's kind of like. I mean, so there's very few that actually, like, you can name that are, like, current celebrities or that have benefited from it. Like, what? Yaya.

[Gisele Bryant]

Who's Yaya? She's.

[Robyn Dixon]

She became an actress. So she was in. Was she in Dream Girls with Beyonce and Jennifer Hudson? She was the third one.

[Gisele Bryant]

Wasn't that her? I guess. Okay. I don't know.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah, Yaya was like. Wasn't she on the season with Eva?

[Dr. J. Barnett]

Maybe.

[Robyn Dixon]

I don't know. She was on one of the early seasons, because I remember her. She wasn't, like, tall. Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

And Eva isn't either.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. So Eva, for sure.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. You say yeah. Yeah. Takara.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes. Takara.

[Gisele Bryant]

And

[Robyn Dixon]

I don't.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's pretty much it for me.

[Robyn Dixon]

That's it.

[Gisele Bryant]

But when you watch it, you're like, oh, you remember the people. Like, you remember their faces. But no, that show didn't do nothing for those girls. Nothing for those girls. Cause Eva, I feel like, Eva, you was gonna make it regardless. You got the personality. You got the. Yes. It gave you a platform. But at some point, you know you were gonna be fine regardless.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right. If she had exposure.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah. In another way.

[Gisele Bryant]

Totally.

[Robyn Dixon]

Totally.

[Gisele Bryant]

So I'm a little disappointed, and I don't wanna be the next contestant on America's Next Top Model. Little disappointed.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's all I got to say about that. We do. This is Black History Month. Thank you very much. We are still in Black History Month.

[Robyn Dixon]

Indeed it is. Do we have any facts?

[Gisele Bryant]

Well, I do wanna say Jesse Jackson. Oh, yes. He. God rest his soul. He passed away recently. I have a dream. No, not. That's Martin Luther King's I have a dream. Keep hope alive. Jesse Jackson is Keep hope alive. Keep hope alive. We are going to continue to keep hope alive. Jesse Jackson was, you know, a huge civil rights pioneer. He ran for presidency twice.

[Robyn Dixon]

Was it twice? I don't know.

[Gisele Bryant]

I don't know. But one time, he got. He got very far.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

So before Barack Obama. Yes, before Barack Obama. In honor of Jesse Jackson, we will continue to keep hope alive. Yes. We will keep deep alive.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes, indeed. Rest in peace.

[Gisele Bryant]

Rest in peace. And he was 84, I believe.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yep.

[Gisele Bryant]

Lived a huge life. Huge life. One of our Black History Month facts could be that my forever president, Barack Obama. Yes. Confirmed there are aliens out here. There are aliens out here. And my forever president said he hadn't seen them, but they're here. Is that what he said? He said something like that. Yeah, he said he kind of tried to clean it up. Cause I'm sure he got a phone call.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right. From the CIA or from an alien.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. Might have got a phone call from.

[Robyn Dixon]

Wait, so he.

[Gisele Bryant]

The top dog alien.

[Robyn Dixon]

He said he saw them? No, but he has not seen them.

[Gisele Bryant]

The guy asked him, are there aliens?

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

He said, yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

He said, not like at Area 51.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

But he said, and I haven't seen them. But I. But, you know, it's not this big conspiracy. Because if there were, I'm sure the President of the United States would know.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

In other words, they're in Area 52. They're not in Area 51. They didn't move somewhere because everybody knows about Area 51. So we gotta move them.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh, he said they're not in some underground tunnel. They are. You know, he just believes that. Yes. There's other forms of life out there. Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

They fly in spaceships.

[Gisele Bryant]

They are here amongst us. Yeah. Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, you think they're disguised as human beings?

[Gisele Bryant]

I think there's that. Yeah. I think there's them like jumping in and jumping out. Like they'll land, they'll do some stuff and then they're out.

[Robyn Dixon]

I want their technology. Like, their technology is on another level. I was just the other day driving in the car and I was like, I remember being a young kid and I was convinced that by the 2000s we were going to have flying cars.

[Gisele Bryant]

Me too.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right?

[Gisele Bryant]

We do.

[Robyn Dixon]

We don't. We don't.

[Gisele Bryant]

Wait a minute. Have you heard about the Waymo cars?

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

And who's driving them?

[Robyn Dixon]

Right. Nobody.

[Gisele Bryant]

Ok, right. So this is like. Guys, this is not true. But it's true. But I don't know Giselle be believing anything. They said that prisoners are driving them. Oh, what do you mean? Like there's a control base? No, they're not for the waymos. I'm a kind of. We'll explain how they driving around all

[Robyn Dixon]

over the place the same way the Tesla self drives.

[Gisele Bryant]

It's just program.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah. Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Or somebody.

[Robyn Dixon]

Did you get in one?

[Gisele Bryant]

No.

[Robyn Dixon]

Like, so if you had to call an Uber, there was no Ubers available, no Lyfts available. And the Waymo was available.

[Gisele Bryant]

I would have to get in the Waymo because I'd have to get to where I'm trying to go.

[Robyn Dixon]

So you would get one.

[Gisele Bryant]

That would be the last resort, right? Would you?

[Robyn Dixon]

I don't know. I don't think I would.

[Gisele Bryant]

But they say that prisoners have like the whole infrastructure. Have a whole control room. They have a control room and it's kind of like they're playing what's the Roblox? It's kind of like they're playing Roblox with us and they driving the Waymos around.

[Robyn Dixon]

That is not true.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. I'm just trying to let y' all know that's not true. Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. So I have a fun black history fact.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

Did you know that the wedding dress designer, Jackie Kennedy's wedding dress designer was a black woman?

[Gisele Bryant]

Is it the lady that went to Hampton, the costume designer?

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes. I don't know that she went to Hampton, but her name is Ann Lowe. So in 1953, designer Ann Lowe's wedding dress for Jackie Kennedy is admired nationwide. So she was born in Alabama in 1918 98. She's the first black American fashion designer to gain widespread renown. I love that.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

I didn't know that. That's amazing. That is so amazing that Jackie Kennedy entrusted a black woman.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

To design her wedding dress.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, no, totally. Because she knew what was up, right? She knew what was up. That's awesome. That's just like. Did you. I know you didn't watch the reunion, but that's just like, you know, we asked Angie Cohen what kind of chocolate he likes or something.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, I did see a. A clip of something. A mention of that.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. And he said, the black and the baby sweeter the juice. Cause Andy know what's up.

[Robyn Dixon]

Well, Andy, you need to show these people we. Don't you want to see everyone else. Boyfriend love life. Like, we need to see yours.

[Gisele Bryant]

He showed me his.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, he did?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

Privately, I'm talking about he needs to show the public.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh, he ain't doing that well.

[Robyn Dixon]

I know.

[Gisele Bryant]

And he'd be the first one to be like. Because that's why I'm not on a reality television. Giselle. Well, you are, right? Yes. Right, Andy.

[Robyn Dixon]

Anyway, so show the public his love interest.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay, so I do want to talk about Boris Cujo.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, what about him?

[Gisele Bryant]

Did you. Have you seen his interview that he did recently? No, you don't know what I'm talking about at all?

[Robyn Dixon]

I saw him interviewing, and I kept scrolling.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. So I actually. Because the. The title of the post was something like him talking about not letting anybody take your energy. Right. He talks about a lot of things. First and foremost, Boris, no idea that you were this intelligent.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, really?

[Gisele Bryant]

No idea that you were this worldly.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

I mean, I knew he was from Germany, so Boris. His last time on Boris did, like, one of those fireman shows. He did.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, was it like one of the Chicago.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, Chicago Fire. So I think he was on one of those. Boris Cujo's been an actor for a long time, and he's married to Nicole, who we love, who was on Sex and the City and shoot. She's done a million things.

[Robyn Dixon]

She's a Baltimorean.

[Gisele Bryant]

Baltimorean. Beautiful girl, lady. They've been married forever. And. Oh, I think I started watching because he was talking about life after your kids are gone. Like, he's empty. Nesting.

[Robyn Dixon]

Got it.

[Gisele Bryant]

So I was struck by his. He broke down how, like, France and another country are still trying to colonize Africa. Parts of Africa. What? And he broke that thing down.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, wow.

[Gisele Bryant]

And I was like, wow. I didn't even know. I knew that you were from. I think he's originally From Germany. Yeah. But his astuteness to how things are have not changed. And they're still the same was fascinating. So you should watch that. He's on a podcast with some people.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, yeah, that's what I saw. I saw him. Yeah, it's a podcast interview.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, it's a podcast interview. He's talking to two guys that I believe are. One of the guys was on the talk.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay, Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

I can't remember his name, but two, two guys that are great.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes. He's. Ah, you know what? No, maybe that was a different interview. He's the, the guy's like Nigerian or African or something.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. What is his name? And, but it's, but it's two guys.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, but I, I, I was highly impressed. Boris. I mean, I'm like, Nicole, you did good. Cause like, Boris over here dropping knowledge. And I don't really feel nobody gets my attention like that, like about just things that are coming out of their mouth.

[Robyn Dixon]

You were intrigued by what he was saying?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes. And the intelligence of it. I mean, clearly he ain't bad to look at because he's a very nice looking man.

[Robyn Dixon]

I'm gonna have to check it out.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, no, definitely check him out. Okay, so wait a minute. I'm gonna give you the name of the podcast.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. Why are you looking for it? Okay, okay, so I saw this, this on Threads, and this person said, these are the top five best pairings ever. Okay, so tell me. I like this.

[Gisele Bryant]

Huh?

[Robyn Dixon]

Number one, bacon and eggs. This is all food related.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. Yes. But I add things to that.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Bacon, eggs, English muffin, butter, jelly. Boom, boom.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay, okay. Burgers and fries. I'm gonna just go through the bacon and eggs, burger and fries, beer and tacos, peanut butter and jelly and wine and cheese. So for me, it made me think, like, who are the people that are, like, coming up with these pairings?

[Gisele Bryant]

You know?

[Robyn Dixon]

How did you decide one day, oh, I'm gonna make a sandwich and I'm gonna put peanut butter on one side and jelly on the other.

[Gisele Bryant]

Right. Like, that's just called geniuses, you're broke. Right? That's just called we don't have anything else in the refrigerator.

[Robyn Dixon]

So for me, for you, what's your favorite pairing? Not out of these. It can be out of these, but it could be something else.

[Gisele Bryant]

Huh. So when I was growing up, there was an ice cream store. I mean, ice cream, like, shop that me and my family would go to all the time. And they had like, Neapolitan parfaits. So do you know what?

[Robyn Dixon]

That is the. Was it ice cream?

[Gisele Bryant]

It was ice cream.

[Robyn Dixon]

Chocolate, Vanilla, Strawberry ice cream.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes. With like chocolate sauce. So like that combination of chocolate, strawberry and. And vanilla is the best pairing. With like a strawberry sauce and a chocolate sauce. What? Like chocolate and strawberry.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Is amazing.

[Robyn Dixon]

See, I don't like chocolate and strawberry.

[Gisele Bryant]

Love it.

[Robyn Dixon]

And I. I can't stand chocolate and raspberry together.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh, no, I don't. I'm not a raspberry girl. Yeah, yeah. Chocolate and strawberries. Everything.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh, but you know what I meant to lately?

[Robyn Dixon]

What?

[Gisele Bryant]

Peanut butter.

[Robyn Dixon]

Peanut butter and what?

[Gisele Bryant]

Just peanut butter. What? Okay. So Pete, so I got this Jenny's, you know, Jenny's ice cream. They have a peanut butter something something caramel something ice cream. Which. And I don't really eat peanut butter ice cream. Yeah, everything.

[Robyn Dixon]

Me neither. Really?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. So good.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. Okay. Well, my favorite pairing is chips and salsa.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's. No, that is not a pairing.

[Robyn Dixon]

It is.

[Gisele Bryant]

It is.

[Robyn Dixon]

Burger, bacon burger and fries. Beer and taco, wine and cheese, chips and salsa. That's a pairing.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's just. They go together. Oh, it's a pairing. Chips and salsa. Okay. Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

Chips and salsa. It's like the best pairing. Okay. Tortilla chips and salsa.

[Gisele Bryant]

What kind of salsa? Because there's different kinds these days.

[Robyn Dixon]

I mean, I like. So I actually like the. Well, I mean it depends, like if I'm at a Mexican restaurant. Yeah. Or you know, a Latino restaurant and they deliver and they bring out chips and salsa. Like. Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

It's amazing.

[Robyn Dixon]

But in the store, when I buy my store bought salsa, I actually love the Tostitos restaurant style. It's one of the purple lid.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

So it tastes very similar to the ones that they serve in the restaurants.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. Is the stuff chunky or smooth?

[Robyn Dixon]

It's. It's like it's in between. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So it's not like super chunky. It has a little like water liquidy kind of thin. Thinness to it, but it still is like the tomato, you know, like the regular salsa base.

[Gisele Bryant]

And then the chips are like just regular.

[Robyn Dixon]

Whatever chips I can find.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

Whatever tortilla chips I can find.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. All right. I don't understand the beer and tacos.

[Robyn Dixon]

Well, you're not a beer drinker. I don't know.

[Gisele Bryant]

That's true. Me neither.

[Robyn Dixon]

So I would more so say what like tacos and tequila?

[Gisele Bryant]

I think like crabs. Like if you're sitting down eating crabs and some crabs and beer. Crabs and beer. Or like crabs and a Shirley Temple, the. That would be my favorite. Because you need, like, that sweetness.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Like, beer doesn't give you sweetness.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay, that's interesting.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

Never tried that.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes. I don't know.

[Robyn Dixon]

I think I like ham and cheese, you know, Or.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, ham and cheese is. Yeah, I don't really eat ham, but yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

I'm trying to think of other ones, but mine is chips and salsa.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh, like fried chicken.

[Robyn Dixon]

Chicken and waffles.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes, fried chicken and waffles. Oh, shrimp and grits.

[Robyn Dixon]

There you go.

[Gisele Bryant]

Shrimp and grits.

[Robyn Dixon]

Shrimp and grits.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

Shrimp and grits.

[Gisele Bryant]

I do like that. That's a great combo. Shrimp and gr. Okay.

[Robyn Dixon]

All right.

[Gisele Bryant]

I need to think about this. Yes. Yeah. But some of those on the list.

[Robyn Dixon]

But when you think about it, it's like, who decided to put these things together?

[Gisele Bryant]

I don't know.

[Robyn Dixon]

They're geniuses. I always think about, like, who even created food?

[Gisele Bryant]

Who said one day, like, that we need to eat? That would be our guts, our belly.

[Robyn Dixon]

But I'm saying, how did they say, like, oh, those little chickens walking around,

[Gisele Bryant]

let's chop them up. Kill it.

[Robyn Dixon]

Chop it up and eat it. Take the feathers off and eat it.

[Gisele Bryant]

I think it's when Adam gave Eve the apple.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

That's before our time. They be in trouble. If I was. I was.

[Gisele Bryant]

If you were one of the first people. No. Cause you wouldn't be eating.

[Robyn Dixon]

Cause I'd be like, I don't know what to do. Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Probably be lost in the Garden of Eden. She be walking around like, oh, we supposed to eat now, right? We supposed to feed ourselves.

[Robyn Dixon]

Like, no, I'm gonna eat my hands.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. This has gone left. Okay. Anyway, I had. I had something else to say about that. What was I talking about?

[Robyn Dixon]

You were looking up the name of the podcast.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh, I found it. I found it. Hold on. Because, yeah, I do want y' all to know that, because, you know, we got to give our brothers their. Their props when. When it's due.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes, please.

[Gisele Bryant]

Hold on, hold on. So it is called the One. What does it say? 154 Africa.

[Robyn Dixon]

That's the name of the podcast.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. 154 Africa. And. Oh, yeah, Godfrey. Godfrey, who's the comedian.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay, okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah. So I saw the clip of Godfrey talking to.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, 154.

[Robyn Dixon]

154. Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

So it's their podcast. Godfrey. And what is the other man's name? I don't want to keep calling him the other guy.

[Gisele Bryant]

I don't know. The Other guy's name, but Akbar. Akbar. Akbar.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah, that's it. That's it.

[Robyn Dixon]

So is their podcast together?

[Gisele Bryant]

I think they have a podcast together. Or maybe. I would assume. So they're not a guest. I think it's the two of them. And then they interview people.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. But it made me feel like, Boris, you need to. Well, no, Boris, you don't need no podcast. Cause there's enough podcasts out here, everybody trying to give us competition.

[Robyn Dixon]

But I love an intellectual podcast with handsome black men. I love that.

[Gisele Bryant]

I mean, yes. Like boards could do.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh.

[Gisele Bryant]

Because there's another guy, you know, Sally Richardson. Yeah, we're all over the place. Sally Richardson, who is an executive producer on. She did like the Gilded Age. She does a lot of things. Beautiful black woman. Her husband, DeAndre Whitfield. That's his name. No, what's his name?

[Robyn Dixon]

DeAndre Whitfield.

[Gisele Bryant]

Oh, okay. He's very intelligent. I've seen him talk and he says something like. He's like dropping knowledge about. About how him and his wife have maintained their relationship for so long.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, nice. Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

About his family. I think their daughter is dating Bronnie.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

Okay. Are they still together?

[Robyn Dixon]

I don't know.

[Gisele Bryant]

Who knows? She goes to Spelman.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

So, yeah. I love hearing when a man is not all over the place.

[Robyn Dixon]

Right.

[Gisele Bryant]

He's just spitting his facts. And he does it in a way that's entertaining.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yes.

[Gisele Bryant]

Give me a little joke or two. But then like, keep it going. Yeah, yeah. By the way, I did see the. I'm just talking. I'm all over the place. I did see the Cat Williams special.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, did you?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Just because.

[Robyn Dixon]

So it's a standup.

[Gisele Bryant]

It's a standup special. Yeah. Just cuz I saw Netflix. What? Yes, it's Netflix.

[Robyn Dixon]

So I feel like I saw a picture of him and it didn't look like him. So I was like.

[Gisele Bryant]

Is this correct? Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

I don't know.

[Gisele Bryant]

Did he have on short? I don't know.

[Robyn Dixon]

His face just looked totally different.

[Gisele Bryant]

He looked totally different. Carry on. Because, you know, I feel like we need to protect Kat.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Cause you know the people out here to get you dropping tea, spill it. We don't want him to be sacrificed. And he. It wasn't like super funny. I did enjoy it. I do feel like he. He's just highly intelligent.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. And I can listen to him talk for like a long time.

[Robyn Dixon]

So it wasn't that funny.

[Gisele Bryant]

No, it was funny. It was funny, but it wasn't. Cause you Know, sometimes you compare him to, like, a Dave Chappelle, you know, it's so crazy. Okay, I know. I keep talking, y'.

[Robyn Dixon]

All.

[Gisele Bryant]

It's so crazy how they're pulling up all these old clips now that we have the Epstein files, and it's like, ooh, this person said this. And, you know, Christy Teigen and all of her tweets that she put out there that she has had to take down 6,000 or 60,000. It was a lot that she had to pull down.

[Robyn Dixon]

60,000. What? Tweets?

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes.

[Robyn Dixon]

She was canceled for a minute. Do you remember?

[Gisele Bryant]

I think still to this day, I think she's inching her way back. Coming her way.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah. I think, you know, people forget stuff, so I think she's kind of inching her way back.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. God bless her. But there was a clip of when Dave Chappelle went on the Oprah Winfrey show to talk about. Remember when Dave disappeared for a while?

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

And it was really just. He didn't like what. How they were putting this pressure on him in the industry about, like, you know, doing things he didn't want to do.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

Wearing a dress, all kinds of stuff. Wearing a dress. Yeah. No, I'm being serious. In a movie, like, not necessarily. It kind of goes back to what Katt Williams said. Kat's like, you know, you make it so far, and then they want you to put on a dress. So, like, for instance, Martin Lawrence, he had on a dress.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, I get it. So like a Medea. Like a. Like a caricature.

[Gisele Bryant]

Like a caricature type thing. Not like Caitlyn Jenner.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. Okay.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah. Just like we. We. They want that. They want, I guess, to emasculate you.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

In some degree. I don't know. Anyway, I'm looking at all these interviews now with a different lens. It's very interesting.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

I'm gonna do some self evaluation about all of this. Not self evaluation, but I'm gonna reevaluate everything and come back to y' all and.

[Robyn Dixon]

Okay. All right. Yes. Tell us what you've learned.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yeah.

[Robyn Dixon]

Tell us what you've gathered.

[Gisele Bryant]

Yes, yes, yes. Very interesting. But no, like, it's. I do appreciate. Because I feel like we're living in a time in which, like, the veil is pulled off, and we're really. We're really seeing people for who they are. We're seeing the entertainment industry for what it is. And listen.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah.

[Gisele Bryant]

It's hard out here.

[Robyn Dixon]

Yeah. I think once things went down for Diddy, it was like, open sesame, by the way.

[Gisele Bryant]

By the way, I'm gonna leave y' all with this.

[Robyn Dixon]

This.

[Gisele Bryant]

Speaking of open sesame love and hip hop is back on. There's a new season, guys. Okay, so I thought I heard they were canceled. No.

[Robyn Dixon]

So it's just the Atlanta ones keep

[Gisele Bryant]

going, but all the other ones are canceled. All I'm. All I watch is Atlanta. I can't keep up with the rest of the foolishness.

[Robyn Dixon]

A new season? What season is this?

[Gisele Bryant]

No, I. No clue.

[Robyn Dixon]

30.

[Gisele Bryant]

No, it's like 13 or something. Because they split their seasons.

[Robyn Dixon]

Oh, because they go for, like, ever. They have, like, a hundred episodes in a season.

[Gisele Bryant]

Maybe. So anyway, it's back on, y'. All. I couldn't be happier. It's a whole lot going on with all of our people. Yandy, Mendeecee, Scrappy. What's Scrapp's mom's name? Mama Dee in the palace soap opera.

[Robyn Dixon]

That is not.

[Gisele Bryant]

It is the biggest soap opera.

[Robyn Dixon]

It is not a reality show, y'. All.

[Gisele Bryant]

It is a soap opera, I tell you. It is comedy. It is pure entertainment, and I am here for all of it. But that's our show. That's our episode today.

[Robyn Dixon]

All right.

[Gisele Bryant]

We love y'. All. Don't ever forget to live your life either reasonable or shady. Or both. Bye. Reasonably Shady is a production of the Black Effect podcast network.

[Robyn Dixon]

For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Gisele Bryant]

And you can connect with us on social media. Obondixon10, Gisele Bryant, and reasonably Shady.

[Robyn Dixon]

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