Replay* Young Thug says Glorilla is ugly AF. The Bag Fuel podcast joins Loren LoRosa to

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club – Young Thug, Glorilla, and the Media Rollout

Episode Date: January 6, 2026
Host: Lauren LaRosa
Guests: Esso & Heineken (Bag Fuel Podcast)
Main Theme: Dissecting the viral leaks of Young Thug's jail calls (including the call where he called Glorilla "ugly AF") and the media machinery fueling hip hop's biggest stories.

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Overview

In this episode, Lauren LaRosa hosts Esso and Heineken from the Bag Fuel Podcast for a deep-dive into the recent spate of Young Thug jail call leaks—including those involving Glorilla and Lil Durk—and the broader conversation about media, the justice system, hip hop culture, and public perception. The group debates whether Thug is being targeted by a coordinated media/legal "rollout," what these leaks mean for his relationships and career, and why the “streets” still matter so much for even the wealthiest hip hop artists. The tone is conversational, insightful, and laced with humor and realness, staying authentically rooted in current hip hop discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introductions & Consistency in the Content Space

• [02:22] Lauren congratulates Bag Fuel for their consistency and viral impact in media.
  • Lauren: "What I admire about you guys... it’s really a job to be consistent. Y’all are very consistent."
• [03:51] Heineken introduces himself: jokes about being single, giving relationship advice despite that.
  • Heineken: “Yes, I’m Haitian. No, I’m not on Ozempic. Yes. Everything else you’ve heard about me is 90% true. And I’m single for the rest of my life.”
• [04:47] Esso shares his extensive music industry background from Southside Jamaica, Queens.

2. The Young Thug Jail Call Leaks – Coordinated Media Rollout?

• [05:07] The group zeroes in on Young Thug, jail audios, and why the leaks keep coming.
• [05:34–06:29] Heineken and Esso agree: the leaks are part of a targeted attack, orchestrated in response to Thug embarrassing the Atlanta court system.
  • Heineken: “Young Thug embarrassed the Atlanta court system... This is a rollout right now, currently.”
  • Esso: “He pissed off somebody. They coming for his head. Pause.”
• [07:51–09:16] Play and breakdown of Thug’s call involving Lil Durk—concerns about clearing a song and loyalty.
• [10:14–10:46] Heineken presents a theory: the leaks are engineered so Thug “can’t go to the Midwest (Dirk), West of Atlanta (Glorilla), or even West Coast. They're painting him as a snitch in every territory.”

[10:14] Heineken: “They’re putting him to a point that he’s only going to have to live in Utah. ... You’re a snitch now. You can’t go to the West Coast.”

• [10:52] Esso asks why a 2015 tape was held this long—suggesting premeditation.

3. "Snitch" Narrative: Hip Hop’s Shifting Street Code

• [12:38–13:53] Esso and Heineken discuss the evolving "snitch" stigma in hip hop.
  • Esso: "Snitching is just a way of life. I said this two years ago—there is no code. It’s fake. It’s nothing."
  • Heineken: “Who’s the first snitch? A civilian. That don’t make no sense.”
• [13:54–14:55] The debate shifts to why “snitch” allegations still matter for superstar rappers who are far from street-level crime. Lauren questions the logic.
  • Lauren: “Why does this matter amongst these artists who are so rich and don’t have to bust a gun another day in their life if they chose not to?”

4. Why the Streets Still Matter for “Removed” Rappers

• [14:55–17:03] Heineken and Esso break down why even wealthy, established rappers crave—and are penalized for lack of—street validation.
  • Heineken: “The streets are undefeated. Drake went to a white girl to cry about acceptance from hip hop. Why not go to Black people? ‘Cause the streets matter.” [15:17]
  • Esso: “These niggas is in the street. ... The streets is undefeated, okay? They want a street bitch...that’s the one that I want.”

5. The Glorilla Jail Call & Relationship Fallout

• [27:00] The viral Young Thug call critical of Glorilla is played, prompting discussion about relationship dynamics in the spotlight.

[27:07] Young Thug Jail Call:
“Why don’t people say she pretty? That b**** ugly as f***... Big ass head, big mouth, man. Watch out now.”

• [27:43] Glorilla’s tweet in response:
  Lauren: “Glorilla tweeted...‘Mind you, this the same n**** blowing my phone up to ask what color my eyes is. LMFAO.’”
• [28:23–31:52] Lauren analyzes the relationship drama: Thug’s girlfriend Mariah the Scientist is dragged back into public messiness, while Heineken focuses on the psychological and legal impact of the leaks on Young Thug’s personal life.

6. Systemic Targeting & "Breaking Down" Thug

• [34:16] Heineken circles back: the media rollout is designed to destabilize Young Thug emotionally and socially, making him likely to violate parole or falter.
  • Heineken: “These tapes are working.”
• [40:50] Esso brings up Thug’s 10-year probation and travel restrictions, arguing the leaks are part of “slowly putting you in the corner” tactics.

7. Personal Responsibility: Why Talk Reckless on Jail Phones?

• [41:36]–[42:43] Lauren questions why Thug would have such candid conversations on recorded jail calls.
  • Lauren: “I know the calls are recorded. Why you on the phone with all this anyway?”
  • Esso: “These niggas are dumb...they’re that fucking dumb.”

8. Cultural Observations: Calmness, Masculinity, and the Role of Fathers

• [45:41–46:12] Esso shares insights from speaking to Ghostface Killah about trusting Nas: “He’s calm. And that’s so different to black people...a calm man to me is a man with a plan.”
• [43:34–44:26] Lauren reflects on the influence of strong male role models and nurturing in Black families.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Heineken [05:34]: “Young Thug embarrassed the Atlanta court system... This is a rollout right now, currently.”
• Esso [12:53]: “Snitching is just a way of life... I said there is no code. It’s fake.”
• Lauren LaRosa [14:13]: “Why does this matter amongst these artists who are so rich and don’t have to bust a gun another day in their life if they chose not to?”
• Heineken [14:55]: "The streets are undefeated. ... Drake went to a white girl to cry about acceptance from hip hop. Why not go to black people? Cause the streets matter."
• Young Thug Jail Call [27:07]: “Why don’t people say she pretty? That bitch ugly as fuck... Big ass head, big mouth...”
• Glorilla (via tweet, paraphrased by Lauren) [27:43]: "This the same n**** blowing my phone up to ask what color my eyes is. LMFAO."
• Esso [34:11]: "You justified the rollout."
• Heineken [41:56]: “These niggas are dumb.”
• Esso [45:44]: “I asked [Ghostface]... what it is about Nas... The first thing he said was, he's calm. That's so different to Black people.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:22] Intros and Bag Fuel’s consistency
• [05:07] Opening: Young Thug, jail audios, and verdict on ongoing leaks
• [07:51] Jail call clip: Young Thug & Lil Durk discussion
• [10:14] Analysis: Leaks as career and freedom sabotage
• [12:53] The “snitch” label and changing hip hop codes
• [14:13] Why “the streets” matter at hip hop’s highest levels
• [27:00] Glorilla jail call leaks; Young Thug’s remarks
• [27:43] Glorilla’s response via Twitter
• [34:16] Discussion of systematic legal and PR targeting
• [41:53] Why talk recklessly on recorded jail phones?
• [45:44] Calmness in Black masculinity and trust

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Conclusion & Takeaway

The episode offers an unfiltered look at the ongoing saga of Young Thug’s legal woes, viral leaks, and the way the hip hop ecosystem cycles through controversy, clout, and street credibility. While Lauren persistently questions the logic of risking everything when you’ve “made it,” Bag Fuel’s Esso and Heineken break down the inescapable gravitational pull of the "streets" and public perception. The leaks are viewed not as random but as part of a targeted, slow-motion institutional backlash—one designed to undermine Young Thug's stability both publicly and privately.

The hosts agree: As long as the streets and public opinion can sway careers and fuel headlines, the saga isn’t ending soon—especially when the main players refuse to play it safe, even on recorded lines.

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Transcript

[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Charlamagne tha God]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Heineken]

Let's get to it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody.

[Julian Edelman]

You know, she don't lie about that, right?

[Esso]

Lauren came in hot.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Hey, y'. All, what's up? It's Lauren LaRosa. This is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, exclusives, and all of the conversations that shake the room, baby. Now, today, if you guys can't tell, I am not in here alone. For those of our, you know, our audio listeners, y', all, we got 5 million people plus listening. They're called our low riders, the lowriders. Yes. So say hi to the low riders. Low riders.

[Esso]

Low to the low riders.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Heineken]

Six, four, bouncing period.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So, yes, we have the people listening, but then we also have the people who are watching, also low riders as well. But the video audience and their attitude is a lot different than the audio audience. So I talk to them a little differently, you know, you know how that go, guys, on today's episode with me here in the studio, first guest on the podcast.

[Esso]

I like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

First guest on the Podcast. In the new studio, I have the amazing voices and personalities of the. Of the Bag Fuel podcast. You guys have been all over the place, viral everywhere.

[Heineken]

So have you.

[Esso]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Really?

[Esso]

Yes, yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I might have had a couple of ones outside.

[Heineken]

I'm TMZ and all this other stuff. CNN and all.

[Esso]

Cnn Breakfast Club. Just. Just. Just the way you were in the Breakfast Club, Television was a big moment. Come on, stop.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I said I have moments where y' all are like, what I. What I admire about you guys, especially because, like, being in the content space, I don't think people understand that it's, like, really a job to be consistent. Y' all are very consistent.

[Esso]

Appreciate it.

[Heineken]

Thank you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You don't feel like why you breathe, like.

[Heineken]

No, no.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because it is a job.

[Heineken]

Because you understand. People just be thinking it's.

[Esso]

We're on time, too. Yeah.

[Heineken]

We hate being late.

[Esso]

We're not talking about you.

[Heineken]

No, no, in general. You was on time.

[Esso]

Yeah, yeah, but. But we good. We just talking about. Let just end what goes on in the normal perspective of hip hop and eating and stuff. Everybody's always late.

[Heineken]

Yeah, they love being late.

[Esso]

They're special. We don't think that we're special. We want to be on time. We always strive to work the best. I. I haven't been doing this that long. You know what I'm saying?

[Lauren LaRosa]

How long you been doing it?

[Esso]

About four or five years now.

[Lauren LaRosa]

First of all, I think, separately, you guys should introduce yourself to the audience.

[Esso]

Okay.

[Heineken]

I mean, you want to flip a quarter to go first?

[Esso]

You go first.

[Heineken]

They call me Heineken. Yes, I'm Haitian. No, I'm not on Ozempic. Yes. Everything else you've heard about me is 90% true. And I'm single for the rest of my life.

[Esso]

Oh, God.

[Lauren LaRosa]

We'll unpack that in a little bit.

[Esso]

Oh, yeah.

[Heineken]

We could talk.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes.

[Heineken]

He has questions for me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Everybody say, hi, Heineken.

[Esso]

Hi.

[Heineken]

Hello, riders. We see you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I feel like we at a meeting right now. That whole I'm single for the rest of my life felt like you need a community.

[Heineken]

No, I want no communities, but I give relationship advice to married men and men in relationships.

[Esso]

Oh, yeah.

[Heineken]

Even though I'm single, I give the greatest therapy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You do?

[Heineken]

Yes, and it always works.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Cause you know who might need you. And we're gonna get into that on this episode.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Who?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Young thug.

[Heineken]

Oh, I got him.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, we gonna get there.

[Heineken]

He has to go back to jail to save his relationship.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay.

[Esso]

Yeah, I know he's different.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Very different. Cause what are.

[Esso]

Be serious.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Though it's your turn now. You introduce yourself.

[Esso]

I'm Esso. Everyone. See? Sounds official. One half a bag. Fuel. I'm from Southside Jamaica, Queens, and I've been in the music business for about 30 years now.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Got you. Got you. Well, here on the show, we do. I mean, I don't know if you guys have ever listened or tuned in, but we do, like, a breakdown of, like, entertainment topics.

[Heineken]

Oh, beautiful.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Today we're just gonna stick on one topic. Cause I feel like between the three of us, we'll be here for five hours talking. If we do three. So on my way over here, you know, there's been a lot of conversation around Young Thug and the jail audios and, you know, all of the things, right? Y. Yes. Now, first of all, just in general, I heard you guys talking as I was getting ready about how you feel about just the audios from the jail phone calls being linked.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Yeah.

[Heineken]

Yes. It's a nice rollout because Young Thug embarrassed the Atlanta court system. That was the biggest court case in the whole Georgia. So money was spent. You had lawyers that were doing only fans to supplement their income, which, you know. You know about that, right?

[Esso]

You had lawyers getting with the defendant.

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That they reportedly just had a baby.

[Heineken]

Yes. So. And he embarrassed the system because, you know, Fonny needed that for her reelection, probably. She has political aspirations, so. And hip hop is the biggest target because, you know, it brings headlines. There's no more mobsters. There's no more cartel leaders. So Young Thug's face card is enough to catapult you in the stratosphere. So now since he got off and he's been free, we need to embarrass him. This is a rollout right now, currently.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So you feel like Heineken. This is a targeted attack.

[Esso]

Yes. Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So you do too.

[Esso]

Oh, he's definitely under attack. You heard us talking about it. I said I don't know who he pissed off, but he pissed off somebody. They coming for his head. Pause right now, because anything that's gonna make him look bad now, they just leaked the Gloril thing, like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes. Yep.

[Esso]

Things that he talking bad about.

[Heineken]

Glorilla, you're in the media. It keeps rolling out. You know what a rollout is? Come on. You had a famous rollout. Yo, who you?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Me? What was my rollout?

[Heineken]

Oh, my God.

[Esso]

Lord LaRosa, what was my rollout? Let's stay on top. Let's stay on top.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I didn't have no rollout. What y' all talking about?

[Esso]

We can talk about that stuff on Backfield. Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, guys, we're going to be. No, listen, we can enter time because what I want the audience to know is you guys are here because we will be doing a sit down for back.

[Heineken]

Absolutely.

[Lauren LaRosa]

For you guys show as well. So make sure if you guys are listening here and y' all hear kind of the. The appetizer to the craziness, go get the full entree because we will be doing that sit down. But I do have those jail calls. And I want to start before we get to Young Thug with Glorilla. I want to back up a bit because there was also one recently released with Lil Durk. Or him Young Thug talking or discussing little Durk. Let's take a listen to that one first. So that's the second one that I sent you, Laura.

[Unidentified Male (Jail Call Speaker)]

It gotta be what's up with the boy. Yeah, you need to make that. You need to make that. I don't know, you know, I need a lot of player for the boy too, though. When the boy career went where it put a band, man, Pluto, I really like Locked man. With him. Like, they're really with him. But he, I don't know, he acting a little different. I don't like that, man. What you mean? Like, I didn't hit him a few songs. He's just like, I know, I know for sure. Going right up on. Going right up. He just got down, taking it time, you know, Four, five days today, later, like that little type, like, man, you got going on.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Male (Jail Call Speaker)]

Did too much for you, man. Watch out. Yeah, he did that. Yeah, I want. Hell yeah. He sent a song. He sent a song from the lab. Yeah, he sent a song for it. Then. Goddamn. When it's time to clear the song, he. Now he, he. He don't clear the song. So the song didn't make the album. Like, look clear, man. Didn't clear it. Didn't clear the song. What you mean, a clear the song? Yeah, he did. He worked that one. Then you get on the Internet, keep talking about this and that man cut that cap. Ass be crazy, boy. You rap ahead, boy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

One thing I' ma say, if this is the target attack, right, the alleged target attack that you guys are saying, let's listen to.

[Heineken]

I have to.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You know. Exactly. Somebody in there is so good with hip hop media and just media in general, they know exactly who to talk about and what to talk about. What caused the pool.

[Heineken]

Let me show police.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, but I will. But. Okay, so the police know everything. They know who everyone is, of course, but the timing Of a lot of this is very like. I feel like I'm dealing with another, like, news journalist at this point. It's like some of the things that they're releasing as they're releasing them, like the Kendrick and Drake right around the time Drake sits with Bobby. Like, that's. I don't know. Y' all know cops that pay attention to that type of stuff.

[Heineken]

You know how many cops made detective watching World Star videos?

[Esso]

But this.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, but understanding timing and relevance of like, news, conversation and trend, That's a whole different conversation. That's what I do as a.

[Esso]

Hold on.

[Heineken]

I need you to cook first so we can start. First of all, let me show you how systematically they're attacking him. Dirk, that means he can never go to the Midwest. Glorilla, that means he's no good west of Atlanta. They're putting him to a point that he's only going to have to live in Utah. Think about it. Everybody they going against, he can't be in them towns. You're a snitch now. You can't go to the West Coast.

[Esso]

I mean, Utah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now watch. Something gonna drop with him and NBA Youngboy. And he's not gonna be able to go there because NBA Youngboy be there too.

[Esso]

Of course. Who the hell held on to the tape since 2015?

[Heineken]

Yeah, why? They never dropped it.

[Esso]

Why is nobody even talking about this? They. They dropped this shit into from 2015 with him snitching. Who held on to the tape?

[Lauren LaRosa]

But that interrogation conversation with Thug, and that wasn't new.

[Esso]

It wasn't?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, that was not. There had been a conversation prior to this about what was said and what wasn't said. When I think his name is Pee Wee. Right, the guy that shot up the tour bus.

[Esso]

But there was no proof, though, was it?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I remember, and I don't know exactly how I remember, but I remember there being a conversation about who said what and when and there being a conversation about what was Thug's role in that. But it was never discussed the way it's being discussed right now.

[Heineken]

That's the point.

[Esso]

Then they say, yeah, but. And then they say Thug was snitching on somebody in the tape, right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, because in the tape, he's. So what he said was, I wish I could have sent her the interrogation tape. But what he said, basically, he was saying enough from Thug's opinion. He was saying just enough to clear his friend. To clear. Oh, boy, right. Who end up coming out and saying, look, he good at my book. Because what he did, we're Fine. So if y' all are running with the snitch allegations, whatever, whatever. But even removing it from, like, the snitch, not snitch, whatever. Because I don't feel like that even sticks as hard as people think that it does for certain people. I also feel like too, if you guys look at how the conversations are happening around Thug versus not when the conversation was around Gunna, people were loud about how they felt. We're not doing this with him. We're not doing that with him. You're not seeing that with Thug. So even if people do decide to distance theirself, in my opinion, there's a different level of respect for him that I don't know. Even if artists choose to not do certain things, if it will impact him the same way people thought it would impact a gun or did impact like a Tekashi 6ix9 inevitably. Like, I just think that there's a different level of respect for him. It just. It feels that way. Anyway. How do you feel?

[Heineken]

Let me tell you something.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I understand people are not loud about Lauren.

[Heineken]

What you just said is the most dangerous thing.

[Esso]

I think people are. Yes, people are talking about it, but.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Do you feel like they're discussing it differently than how Gunna's situation is?

[Esso]

Yeah, because we got experience with this now. Because it's a lot of niggas that snitching now. Like, we're learning that snitching is just a way of life. If people ever watch Bag Feud, I said this two years ago. I said the street code. I said there is no code. It's fake. It's nothing. Snitching was invented by street. You gotta be a street nigga. You gotta be a criminal to be a snitch, period.

[Heineken]

Who's the first snitch? A civilian. That don't make no sense.

[Esso]

A civilian can't snitch. So when you're paying attention to what's really going on out here, you really know what's happening, what's going on. And Thug and what Thug is doing or what they're saying he's doing, what everybody's saying about Ratlana and all the rest of the stuff that's really going on. This is a problem. It's an ongoing problem of people thinking that, oh, somebody go and say something about somebody and lead them the wrong way, then that's cool. It's not cool. Because then you're ridiculing the same man for saying he did the same thing. Correct? Yeah, but now they're under. Now niggas Is saying, yo, I'm not gonna come out on high because yo Gunna had a number one hit.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Yup.

[Esso]

This is what they're saying. Damn, I put myself on one side, but they still pushing the rap so good. So what if Thug come out and Thug got a number and people want to forget about what. What Thug did. I don't want to say nothing anymore.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Can I ask an honest question? I am so removed from all of this. I am a civilian. I don't want nothing to do with.

[Heineken]

None of this doing the right thing at all.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Whatever.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Whatever.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right. Why does this matter? Amongst these artists who are so rich and don't have to bust a gun another day in their life if they chose not to, why does this matter?

[Heineken]

I don't think you're going to like my answer.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I want to hear your answer. Because also too, when I'm hearing them rap about certain things now. Like them now, Thug, as big as he is as a Thug, is not just a rapper. Thug is, like, right as famous as he is now. I don't. Even if he is doing it, my mind doesn't instantly go to, he's out here in the streets really doing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? He is a superstar. He is. Why does any of this even matter at all at this point? Like, why do we care how people look at him? Not look at him? He's still gonna have a core audience.

[Heineken]

Everybody still has an audience a long time ago. And I'm gonna let Esso clean this up. He said, no matter how far removed you get, the streets are undefeated. Women love being outside in the streets. And when I mean the streets going on vacations. Yeah. And then here's the thing, and we're gonna. We're gonna unpack this topic.

[Esso]

It's that simple.

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Esso]

The streets are undefeated.

[Heineken]

Drake went to a white girl to cry about acceptance from hip hop. Why not go to black people? Cause the streets matter. Does it make sense? No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So, but Drake is not no street.

[Heineken]

Artist, but he cares about the streets. Does it make sense? No, it does.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But I just don't feel like I don't think that, like, granted, like I just said, I'm civilian removed. Whatever, whatever. But I'm not no dummy. I grew up around.

[Heineken]

But you're outside.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right. But this is my thing, though. I don't think there's no way that you could really be in the streets in a way that anybody would need to feel like they need an approval from you anyway and be this big celebrity.

[Esso]

Lauren, let's. All right. Pause.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Two of them.

[Esso]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not gonna name no names.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Somebody crashes and burns.

[Esso]

I'm not gonna name no names. But these is in the street. Stop thinking, because they can't be that deep. Lauren LaRosa. Lauren LaRosa. I've been doing this for 30 years. These niggas is in the street. How these will tell you. I'll be like, yo, bro, I just saw. My man just told me so and so and so got to work. And so and so and so and so. Why are these niggas? Why are these dealing with the street?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Hold on. Yes.

[Esso]

Why are they putting work on the streets? And all these people be like, yo, these just. Yo, they just. They just want to be in tune with. The streets is undefeated, okay? They want a street bit. I don't want that superstar that really likes me. I don't. I don't want her.

[Heineken]

I don't want her.

[Esso]

I don't want her.

[Heineken]

I want the girl on the ground.

[Esso]

No, I want the girl from Southside, Rochdale member Teeny that grew up and she got the bubble and all that. That's the one that I want.

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[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip.

[Esso]

That is serious.

[Julian Edelman]

Gotta try these delicious new dips from Daisy. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices and other ingredients you'll find in your kitchen. Also made with with some Daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for Taco Tuesday.

[Esso]

You know what I do when I get my street burrito? I get the squirt Daisy. Yeah. And every bite.

[Heineken]

I know you.

[Esso]

I know you.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm a huge sour cream guy. I love sour cream. So I think burritos can't live without sour cream.

[Esso]

I completely agree with that.

[Julian Edelman]

They also have Daisy ranch diploma. I love ranch dip.

[Esso]

That's great.

[Julian Edelman]

I love it. With crackers, wings, plain potato chip, the ones with the little crinkles, maybe some bell peppers. So get out there and give Daisy French onion dip a try. You will not regret it.

[Ed Zitron]

I'm Ed Zedron of the Better Offline Podcast and I want you to join me at this year's Consumer Electronics show in Las Vegas, Nevada. Starting January 6th through January 10th, 2026, we're doing 10 radio style podcast episodes about the world's biggest tech conference. And I'll be joined by David Roth, Chloe Radcliffe, Adam Conover, Cory Doctorow, and a host of other guests to tell you all about what the tech industry is desperate to sell you in 2026.

[Unidentified Panelist at CES]

Today I did five hours of back to back panels on artificial intelligence. It included a number of great moments, including an entire room full of people laughing about people losing their jobs due to artificial intelligence.

[Ed Zitron]

It's going to be the single best coverage of CES ever recorded. Even if it kills us.

[Esso]

Us.

[Ed Zitron]

Listen to Better offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you happen to get your podcasts.

[Heineken]

Let me, let me give you context.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wait, hold on, wait. Before we go to you, question for you, Is there a level of. Because the guys you talking about, there's not a level of success that they hit where that's not possible because there are, I do know, artists that are still moving around, but there's no level.

[Esso]

I don't want to even say this shit. I can't even say this on this show. After we cut off the camera, you.

[Heineken]

Going to be in shock.

[Esso]

I'mma just show you. I'mma just show you how the topest, toppest still is in the street. I'mma show you.

[Heineken]

Let me show you something right up this. Women get dragged for being ridiculous about a lot of women. Will leave their man for a horoscope. That's the same level of ridiculous.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Hate women.

[Heineken]

I love women. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I love them. No, that's.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You got some issues. Are we becoming friends?

[Heineken]

We're becoming best friends.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, so I'm honest with my friends. I'm probably too honest.

[Heineken]

Let me ask you something.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The minute. The minute that you introduce yourself to.

[Heineken]

You want me to lie?

[Lauren LaRosa]

You said, I'm single, and I never. What do you say? I never.

[Heineken]

I'm never going to be like.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You want to be lonely and miserable for.

[Esso]

No, no.

[Heineken]

I'm never lonely. Oh, I never said that. That's crazy. I'm still outside. I'm just not in a relationship.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay, well, we'll deal with your issues.

[Heineken]

But what I'm saying is the same way with the horoscopes, because men don't care like that. It's the same thing with the street stuff. With men, it's that level of ridiculousness. We're like, why do you care? This don't make no sense. So I'm giving the same equivalency a man would be like, I don't get why a woman's into horoscopes.

[Esso]

Niggas love street niggas more than the girls love them now.

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Esso]

This is the biggest. That's the. There you go. So the niggas see another street nigga and they want to be him. Yeah. N is so stupid.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I understand the acceptance thing, and I understand that. But I just feel like when you really come from it and you get to a certain point where you're removed and you say safe, and not even safe, but, like, you just. You're making a life for yourself. It's like, why do you even like Lauren?

[Esso]

I'm gonna tell you.

[Heineken]

You're too intelligent for this combo.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I wish everybody was. We wouldn't be here. We wouldn't have no job.

[Esso]

I'm gonna tell you one thing. You're overlooking one thing. These are dumb, okay? So they're not men we not gonna talk about. Because they're women that are dumb. We're gonna leave it to where you was talking. Where was the discussion at? Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

People that still wanna be in the streets.

[Esso]

Okay, Boom.

[Heineken]

We're gonna leave it there.

[Esso]

We're not gonna talk about men. Cause if women wanna be in the streets, men wanna be in the streets, too. Okay, There you go. These people. Because I'm gonna tell you about women gangsters. I just talked about women gangsters just walking up to me talking about that. They Wanna be on the show. They trap queens and all. Everybody gotta relax, okay? Everybody in the streets. Everybody in the streets. Everybody gotta relax. Everybody know I've been in the street. It. It's not the move. It's not sexy. And I don't say that. I say the streets is unfair. They don't teach us young kids that when. When you trying to go out there and get money and do things, they don't show you that it's unfair.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Right?

[Esso]

And people get caught up in that lifestyle.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's my point. It's like when you finally get out in a way from all of that, I know I'm like, probably, like, very hopefully speaking. I just would love to think that once you start seeing something, it's like.

[Esso]

So they get undone. So they get undone.

[Shopify Advertiser]

No.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's what you're telling me. Not undone. But would you at least admit that some people sometimes get to a certain point where they know that Thug right now should know he's hot. He can't do anything if he ever thought he could. People that they care too much about him. If what you guys are saying are true, this is a coordinated attack. Imagine him trying to go out and be in the streets right now. That would be stupid.

[Heineken]

That's the point, right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

That would be stupid.

[Heineken]

But he could burn out and do that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But I'm saying. But what I'm saying is that I would like to think that when you get to where he is, right, where you've had to go through things and you realize things to you, whatever, you be like, nah, I'm gonna just chill.

[Heineken]

I'll give you an example. You are the preeminent, go to figure to all the stuff with the Diddy case, quote unquote, right? No, no. Let me show you something. No, let me show you something. He's older. He's been outside. And when everything was happening, he was still outside partying, making apologies that wasn't sincere, doing the same thing, having malfunctions in real time, right? So if that's Diddy doing that, what do you expect from Thug?

[Esso]

They're gonna learn from what Puffy did. Are you sure Thug isn't outside? This stuff is old. This surfacing, bro. Not anybody that got anything. Let me ask you something.

[Heineken]

You think this is the last tape to come out?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, no, no, no.

[Heineken]

Oh, they're gonna keep it going.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That was the longest running case in Georgia saying.

[Heineken]

So then if you keep hitting the wall, eventually it's gonna crack. That's the point.

[Esso]

Yeah, they're gonna try to they trying to get at them.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Speaking of more tapes, there was another one that also released. This one is new, where this one actually came out. What was this yesterday, Today?

[Esso]

Is this the glow?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, that's just. I just saw this today. Glorilla.

[Esso]

I saw. I saw it right before you walked in.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yes, that's what you trying to say. I'm a part of the coordinated attack. No, please clarify. Come on.

[Esso]

No, no, listen.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I don't want.

[Lauren LaRosa]

No. Right before you walked in. I heard him. I saw it right before you. You walked in. What you trying to say?

[Esso]

I'm gonna tell y', all, this girl saw us at a barbecue and walked up on me like she had a gun. So I ain't gonna be no Lauren LaRosa. Slam.

[Heineken]

Speaking of which, you had a lot of girls mad at me, too. Why? They was like, how dare you talk to my friend like that? And I saw you talking to her and everything.

[Esso]

He was looking like steak.

[Heineken]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Are you talking about at the barbecue? They was mad at me.

[Heineken]

Yeah. When you ran down and we was talking and they were looking and when.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You walked, you didn't tell them, though, that it was like. Because people. I think I. I mean, you didn't do nothing wrong. No, I know I didn't.

[Esso]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm like, girly, but, like, people don't know that. Mind you. My energy is not ever. Like, it's a bit aggressive.

[Esso]

Oh, yeah, it is a bit aggressive.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's a bit. But I think people don't expect that from me, so they probably what they thought the conversation was. But I was like, yo, what's up? Like, why y' all talking about I don't wanna come and all that? Like, I'm here like you. I'm not hard to find. Like, what's up? That was what the conversation was.

[Esso]

Oh.

[Heineken]

But for the. Optically. Oh, damn. Oh, the rollout was beautiful. That's how you talk to her.

[Esso]

She was all made up and everything. Yeah. Conversation was on when I walked past it. When she stopped me, she was talking to a.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So I already don't do that, cuz I got to meet here, and y' all about to make that real. Cuz that was not what was happening. I was saying hello to everybody in the barbecue. Do not do that. Okay, we are not gonna do that one. Y' all trying to spice it for the Whatever I got video.

[Esso]

No, I didn't know my. My.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was talking to Shiggy when you walked by.

[Esso]

Nah, it wasn't Shiggy. So I just.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You a part of the coordinated attack. What is happening right now? Glorilla. Audio jail called. Let's bring that.

[Unidentified Male (Jail Call Speaker)]

I saw this. I saw the girl. The girls. The girl gorilla. She.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Male (Jail Call Speaker)]

Why don't people say she pretty? That be ugly as you think she ugly.

[Esso]

Me?

[Unidentified Male (Jail Call Speaker)]

You said it like. Yeah, they. They say she ain't ugly. People. People be saying she ain't mad. They just saying she look like Rihanna, man. Be like, goddamn, Briana, watch out. Oh, man, she look like Rihanna. Long ass wig, skinny goddamn big ass head, big mouth, man. Watch out now.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Now, the crazy thing about that audio is Glorilla tweeted in response. Mind you, this the same. Blowing my phone up to ask what color my eyes is. Laugh my ass off.

[Heineken]

But you know what that play is about now? Because he's with his lady now. It's internal strife. It's systematic. It's easy work. And if he loses his lady, that. That traumatizes dudes. They'd be like, damn, I lost my. My main girl that I actually like being around. Cause she like her. You like. No, you sound like you did or you want to. You don't like me. So he's getting intact internally. He's getting attacked publicly, privately. This is systematically. This P.S. right here is amazing.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yo, you be mansplaining like that all the time.

[Heineken]

Mansplaining?

[Lauren LaRosa]

What, cuz? How did you miss the whole point of you s. Thug is sitting on the phone with his girlfriend, right? Having a full conversation about this girl, downplaying this girl, dragging this girl. You got your girlfriend engaging in the whatever. And your girlfriend's not just anybody. She's Mariah the scientist, who we've already seen. You know, y' all had a little public, like, we saw the girl come visit you. You had to get online and all apologies, right? So here she is about to be embarrassed again. Because now Gloria is coming again, saying. Or coming now and saying. Hold on. What you talking about? Who trying to smack you? You asked him to color my eyes. Did you think he wanted to color her eyes because he wants the contacts to match or.

[Heineken]

No, that's the point. And even if she's with it now, everybody gonna be in her ear. Oh, you let your man do that? You know, people are fake, judgmental. How are you. It's not true.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But how are you getting that from this? Your takeaway should be. Yo, that's messed up. Why is he even discussing Glorilla? Knowing you, you wanted.

[Heineken]

No, no, the men. Let's not do this. Men and women talk like this candidly and privately. He doesn't know he's being taped like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

If he.

[Heineken]

If he's not paying attention, they just leak in a private convoy. That's just what it is.

[Esso]

Can I ask you a question? But at what point did we see Glorilla's DMs? Or did she just say this?

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is what I'm gonna say.

[Esso]

I'm just curious.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is what I'm gonna say, though. We didn't see him. But if you're Glorilla in the midst of all of this saying that, you know, the next step is people gonna wanna. Especially because he has a girlfriend. So Mariah the scientist, naturally. I mean, I wanna see if I'm her. Hey, well, post the text. Post. I wanna see it. Because it's not even about me and you, Mariah the scientist and Glorilla, It's. I need to have. Why are we even discussing somebody that. You know what I mean? Whether he had that conversation early on and his interaction with Glorilla came later, or his interaction with Glorilla was a long time ago and then he had that conversation, regardless, it happened. And I need to understand everything. So gorilla knows she might have to show some receipts. So she don't strike me as the type to just get online and say that. Does she strike you as that?

[Esso]

I've never met her.

[Lauren LaRosa]

She doesn't strike me as that type.

[Heineken]

Yeah, but either way. Now he's jammed up. Either way, whether she's with. Let's just say his girl is with the action now. People that's in his girl's life are gonna be asking her questions.

[Esso]

Oh, yeah, it's already questions. Exactly.

[Heineken]

So that's where I'm coming from.

[Esso]

Stood by, homeboy, this time. Yeah, the girl done came to jail. She's the faithful woman now. This is something else that could be going on, you know what I'm saying? He's supposedly bad news. He's a street guy. Her father is supposedly a cop, an ex cop and all this. But he said we already know how that type of stuff goes. People start talking like, you. You gonna have to start distancing yourself from him, babes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because of her, like, work and all the things.

[Heineken]

Exactly. It could hurt her career.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But Mariah the scientist rolled that wave out the whole time, though. Even after old girl came to the. There was the videos of the visit that leaked and all that. She rolled that out.

[Esso]

Maybe she let some. I can curse up here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, you can curse up here.

[Esso]

Maybe she lets some, you know, people got regular. You know, people got relationship. They Got open relationship. They got. We don't know that they be probably but she let some maybe isn't a big deal.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I will say though from after that visit happened where Devin Haney's child's mom came and saw Young Thug the way Young Thug came online and had to clarify I only want this and you know what I mean. And throwing his love towards Mariah the scientist. It didn't seem like it was an open situation. But we don't know.

[Esso]

I mean this is all speculation. Yeah, we don't know it's all a movie so she don't like we know people lives different type of personal lives and you don't want your family knowing like. Like I'm letting him do whatever or we do menages or we do this so you. You gotta come out and say something because if you don't say anything, that means you're allowing this and this is cool.

[Heineken]

I mean Lauren, in fairness you went through this who what you mean? With you and just hilarious. People were speculating.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean.

[Heineken]

Cause what no, I'm just not like boyfriend now. No, we're not talking about relationship.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm trying to figure out like what me and you were so associated me with that you only got so much mini and oh I babe, I made a mistake before the mistake become a tool.

[Heineken]

No, but what I'm saying is when y' all went through that, right? Publicly how people were looking at it. I'm pretty sure people were hitting your phone making up stories. That's not true.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Making up. But people have their opinions and you do get the noise. Yeah, but.

[Heineken]

But the noise. Then people take the noise into to another stratosphere. You dig what I'm saying?

[Shopify Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Heineken]

And then your close confidants are hitting you. You can give them whatever the real perspective is. But it's over and over and over again. Your DMs, your messages, your Twitter, all of that. You know, same, same rules apply.

[Lauren LaRosa]

But I meant. But that's why I said this is not her first rodeo with that though. Because once. Once that happens one time, right? And then you realize like okay, I might can't pick up the phone for everybody. I might can't give everybody my perspective or voice my opinion. Cause then now they may. You know what I mean? You learn kind of how to navigate a situation. This is not her first rodeo with there being a conversation about thug, another woman, his jail sentence and her like her like life. You know what I mean? Like this is not her first time. So she knows how she wants to navigate it and who to pick up the phone for or whatever. I think my main point to me this looking crazy. It just doesn't. It just looks crazy.

[Heineken]

Like what's crazy about it specifically if.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Glorilla is tasked with showing any receipts and she's able to. It looks crazy on Mariah the scientist's part because it is like if there is not no open relationship, you've held it down. Not only did she hold it down, but there's been conversations from his family about how she made sure his kids saw him talk. Like she really. And she's a woman with a very demanding career at that. So obviously she loves this man.

[Esso]

Right.

[Heineken]

Guess what you did what? You justified the rollout.

[Lauren LaRosa]

The rollout of what?

[Heineken]

The impact of this. If you feel like that there's no open relationship and now Mariah has to now recrystallize what the relationship is and figure it out. These tapes are working.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So you're a legend that the state of Georgia is using Mariah, the scientists to break young thug down and to everything and to get their get back because he embarrassed them.

[Heineken]

How many millions did Georgia lose on letting that man go free?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I don't know the number.

[Heineken]

It's a lot.

[Charlamagne tha God]

Peace to the planet. Charlamagne Tha God here now. You know, the end of the year is when like a lot of business owners, I really lock in. All right? This is the time to set the foundation for next year. You got new ideas, new product drops new goals. And when I'm building anything meaningful, I need the right tools. That's why I always tell folks, especially black entrepreneurs and small black owned businesses, Shopify is the move, okay? We use it at the Black Effect Podcast network. And I've seen firsthand how it helps creators and business owners grow with confidence. Entrepreneurship is very important to me, okay? There's nothing wrong with working for people. There's nothing wrong with partnering people. But. But you should strive to own your own as well. And Shopify can help others grow into entrepreneurs. It's like having a whole team behind you. Your chief of staff, your personal assistant, your co founder, all in one platform. Whether you're running a side hustle or a full storefront selling locally or worldwide, Shopify takes all the guesswork out. Shopify brings everything into one place. You can sell on your website, on social media, and even in the real world. Like some of our partners at our Black Effect Festival coming up in April. Wherever your people are, Shopify makes sure your business can meet them where they're at. Plus, you got Shopify Sidekick and their AI tools. Total game changers. I love how it's like having an assistant giving you insights, content ideas, edits. Shopify's got your next move covered. So let me ask you this. If you're ready to take the next step in your life, whether it's merch products or anything in between, get on shopify.com BEN. That's shopify.com BEN and make it happen. It is time to stop putting off your future and start your new role as your own boss. Today day.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip.

[Esso]

That is serious.

[Julian Edelman]

Gotta try these delicious new dips from Daisy. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices and other ingredients you'll find in your kitchen. Also made with some Daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for Taco Tuesday.

[Esso]

You know what I do when I get my street burrito? I get the squirt Daisy. Yeah. And every bite.

[Heineken]

I know you.

[Charlamagne tha God]

I know you.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm a huge sour cream guy. I love sour cream pop. So I think burritos can't live without sour cream.

[Esso]

I completely agree with that.

[Julian Edelman]

They also have Daisy ranch dip. I love ranch.

[Esso]

Yeah, that's great.

[Julian Edelman]

I love it with crackers, wings, plain potato chip, the ones with the little crinkles, maybe some bell peppers. So get out there and give Daisy French onion dip a try. You will not regret it.

[Ed Zitron]

I'm Ed Zitron of the Better Offline Podcast and I want you to join me at this year's Consumer Electronics show in Las Vegas, Nevada. Starting January 6th through January 10th, 2026, we're doing 10 radio style podcast episodes about the world's biggest tech conference. And we're going to dig into the latest and weirdest gadgets, gizmos and horrible AI gear that the tech industry is desperate to sell you all. While covering the biggest stories in Silicon Valley as the AI bubble threatens to burst. I'll be joined by David Roth, Chloe Radcliffe, Adam Conover, Cory Doctorow, Edongueso junior, Robert Evans, and an incredible cast of the greatest talent in the tech media. With over 18 hours of interviews, commentary and bizarre stories all told from the Better Offline pop up studio connected to its own open bar.

[Unidentified Panelist at CES]

Today I did five hours of back to back panels on artificial intelligence. It included a number of great moments, including an entire room full of people laughing about people losing their jobs due to artificial intelligence.

[Ed Zitron]

Will we make it out alive. There's only one way to find out. Tune in starting January 6 through January 10, 2026, and listen to the literal best tech podcast ever recorded. Listen to better offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you happen to get your podcast.

[Esso]

They lost a lot of money.

[Heineken]

You think white people like losing money to black people? I worked in corporate structures. They're gonna get the money back. Look at Covid. When they gave us all that money. They've been getting it back. Come on, Lauren.

[Esso]

Because you was big on the Diddy case, I'm just gonna say this. Before all this stuff went down.

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Esso]

He had Rory on Bag Fuel. And I said, rory, the biggest problem with Puffy was Diageo. This is before anybody calling him out.

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Esso]

I swear to God, we was the first dudes to say this. Yeah, we were the very first that everybody laughed at us.

[Heineken]

Oh, we're crazy.

[Esso]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, that's. I mean. I mean, just like, who you talking to? Because anybody knew when you saw that even if what he was alleging Diageo did, which was not spend marketing dollars. Right. With him and his alcohol brands because he was a black man. Even if that were true, you know, that's a crazy uphill battle because you're a black man versus a corporation. We never found out what was happening, what wasn't. Diageo said that that was not the case.

[Esso]

Rory was in our. Was on our show. He said, I worked for Diageo and all this, and y' all have to be crazy to even think one has to do with another. And I said, when it comes to a black man shining, all stops come out for that. So while we think Thug is not a big deal, I want to ruin. No, no, I'm saying about. But. But the way that they're approaching it, like, yes, I want to ruin his life with Mariah. I want him to have to deal with women that he can't trust. Trust. And is going to use him now and run him in the ground. We don't want him to have any backbone. So now we want him to look crazy to everybody that worships the ground that he walks on. Oh, he's a snitch just like everybody else, player. He's no different. And we're going to run this train all the way down. Whatever the next thing is with Thug, we want to break his whole train down. And you know what happens when you break a nigga train down? He makes back out to the streets and they go start.

[Heineken]

Let Me ask you a question. How long is he on probation for?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I don't even remember the number.

[Heineken]

10 years.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was about to say. I just remember.

[Esso]

No, 10 years. So we need to break him down to the compound right now.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Circumstances is crazy, too. Like, he can't go to Atlanta. He can't. Like, there's a lot.

[Heineken]

So now with this attack, all he has to do is make one mistake. That's it, and he back.

[Esso]

Got him.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He only had to make one mistake before these calls, though, y'.

[Shopify Advertiser]

All.

[Esso]

But then. No, but the mistake that we're talking about is getting him to go back to jail. Oh, you said, like, we want to get.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You're a legend.

[Esso]

Like, they're pushing.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is another way to push somebody to the edge.

[Esso]

Two black men, we. Yo, it's not obvious. We're not going to just say, we're going to do it. We're going to do it slowly.

[Heineken]

Yeah, it's a long play.

[Esso]

We're putting you. We're slowly putting you in the corner. And when you get in that corner, you know what you got to do. You got to fight your way out. Now you ain't the same no more.

[Heineken]

Let me show you a record here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay.

[Esso]

All right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was going to say, before we move on. Yes, right. If. If what? If what you guys are alleging is the case, face here is me taking it back to personal responsibility again because I ain't never been locked up, but I know the calls are recorded. Why you on the phone with all this anyway?

[Heineken]

What did he say? Six minutes ago.

[Esso]

These niggas are dumb.

[Heineken]

Thank you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

This is giving pockets. Lord of LaRosa.

[Esso]

Lord of LaRosa. That's why I say you're too smart.

[Heineken]

You're too smart for this company.

[Esso]

What's happening, Lord LaRosa. These niggas are that dumb.

[Heineken]

She keeps trying to figure it out.

[Esso]

I've been with these.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Trying to figure it out.

[Unidentified Panelist at CES]

I guess I.

[Heineken]

You are too intelligent for this movie.

[Lauren LaRosa]

It's not the obvious. Because I would like to think that. I would like to think that someone like a young thug who has been able to navigate so much would just maybe just bling. Like.

[Esso]

Come on, Lauren. I've been with the. I grew up in the music business. I've been around these guys for years. Gals is not even around anymore. They don't exist. The new one, yo, they're that fucking dumb.

[Heineken]

Her problem is she's only around genius men. Charlemagne, Envy every genius man.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I've known stupid men, too.

[Heineken]

Yeah, but at a high level. It's way more higher than the average woman.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Oh, yeah.

[Heineken]

So you have an expectation of intelligence from a man?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm always gonna have. Even before I'm around. Whatever. Whatever. The way I was raised, I'm always going to have an expectation for men.

[Heineken]

Apologies, Black men.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm always have expectation for y' all because I know what if when things are applied the right way and done the right way, the. The brilliance that happens. So that's. That's just me in general. That's just what I get.

[Esso]

But did you do it with your father?

[Lauren LaRosa]

No, not in my household. No.

[Esso]

But. No, but. But was he in your life?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I mean, he got in my life around like 14.

[Esso]

Okay.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, we. I mean, we have like a touch and go relationship, but, like, we cool. Like, I could call him and whatever, but my brother's dad was in my life. He didn't live with us, but he was actively in my life, though.

[Esso]

Okay, well, you had one. That's what.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah, my brother.

[Heineken]

Yeah, the puddle figure.

[Esso]

Because. Because your outlook. I always. I grew up with both my parents in the house.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay.

[Esso]

Which is very rich. But I do realize that women that have fathers or significant men in their life, as leaders, y' all think differently. I don't think like the other women that's out here.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I think also too, though, like, I have a younger brother, and I've always been. I mean, I'm the oldest child in the house. So for me, my little brother was like, you know, in and out of things. And, you know, he got into, like, we've had to go through all of this with him. So watching my mom fight for him every step of the way. Even today, I be like, yo, bro. Like, mom, he's grown. And she'd be like, you won't understand until you have kids yourself. Especially when you're raising a black man in this world. Like, you don't just give up on them. Right. So for me, I think the nurturer, that that's basically what y' all are feeling. There's a nurturing part of me that just would love to hope that one day the dumbness turns off and the light turns on. Because if not, that could cost you your life. It could cost you how you provide for your life.

[Heineken]

That perspective is so neat.

[Esso]

What about reality?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Reality of the situation? Why are you being recorded? If you was trying to figure out what color Glorilla eyes is, and it's not because you want the mask, why are you having a conversation with Mariah the scientist about her? The reality of this is. This is great for content, but it's stupid for his real life.

[Esso]

And that's all I'm saying. And for me, I'm tired of being the black dude being torn down and looking crazy being the topic of discussion. It's slick, annoying right now. Like us people, whatever. You just gotta find a way just to do better and be smarter. We're less impulsive, us black people. We are so passionate about our stuff. But even myself, I could have a tendency to react to things poorly when they don't go my way. That's a black thing. I see a lot of white people.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I think that's a black thing. I think that's a passion thing.

[Shopify Advertiser]

We are.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because we are passionate. Yeah. We're very, like, independent.

[Esso]

That makes it a black. That makes it a black. That makes it a black.

[Heineken]

But to be fair, though, people do wig out in other ways. We don't shoot up schools when we're tight.

[Esso]

That's true.

[Heineken]

Come on, now.

[Esso]

We going based upon.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Think about this, think about this, think about this.

[Heineken]

Yo, see, let me say this to you.

[Esso]

Let me say this.

[Heineken]

What's up, E?

[Esso]

We sat with Ghostface today, right?

[Heineken]

Yes, sir.

[Esso]

We talked about Nas, right? And I asked him a question. Why, like, why do you. What it is about Nas, about his personality and who he is, to make you trust him so much or whatever? And the first thing he said was, he's calm. And that's so different to black people. That Nano, he's with that as a.

[Heineken]

Sign of weakness sometimes amongst our culture.

[Esso]

Really? Yes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

As a woman, a calm man to me is a man with a plan because he is watching all the perimeters.

[Esso]

I want to be more calm.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What's happening? He knows in real time he can think for both of us.

[Heineken]

Let me show you something.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So calm he can feel and understand.

[Heineken]

Because of how it looks on camera, right? I'll be more laid back. So everybody's like, he's the mean one. And he's like, you, you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay.

[Heineken]

They say I'm the mean, but it's in reverse.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay.

[Esso]

Really? You mean.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Yeah. I thought women. I mean, you just said. No, I think. I think you hate women. And you might have some issues, but you don't strike me as mean. You're like, very. Like, outside of women, in relationships, you're very jolly and happy.

[Esso]

No, he's not.

[Heineken]

I'm.

[Esso]

I'm. No, he's not.

[Heineken]

We had an incident at the Honey Baby Sit. I had to fix this one girl. She lost her mind. She lost her mind, remember? You Know that girl.

[Esso]

But. But I'm just saying it's perception. Things must be funny. Like, Because. Because we laugh about, like, yeah, it's funny. That is a big thing that we laugh.

[Heineken]

Everybody's like, he's the me.

[Esso]

And I mean, everybody walks around me. Like, I don't know. So I approach him, and I'll be looking at people like, this nigga's the mean one. Like, I'm. I'll be chilling. I be my weed.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Y' all thought I was in before I said something to y', all, like, before y' all met me in real life.

[Heineken]

No, I was like, she feisty.

[Esso]

No, I didn't even. No. What happened?

[Heineken]

I mean that in a good way. I didn't think you were flirting or anything. It's just your feisty.

[Esso]

I thought about you. I'm going be honest. I didn't know you from the other stuff. And I asked Heineken. I said, who?

[Heineken]

I said, tmz, I know your rest. Like, you do amazing work.

[Esso]

And I'm not being funny. I just think that what attracted me to your style and what you do is you're really good at what you do. Yeah. I don't know what it is. Some people.

[Heineken]

I'm going tell you what it is. She's a real journalist.

[Esso]

Some people.

[Lauren LaRosa]

There's a lot of real journalists in the world, though. People think that this is like. Like, I. All my friends get busy. Like, they really. Like, I could call somebody and get. And reach people in places you're not supposed to reach them, depending on the topic matter. Because all my friends really do this.

[Esso]

But I think certain people just have sauce. That's what. That's my thing. You can't pinpoint it. Right.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I appreciate it.

[Esso]

And when it. When it is you, I think you have it. And the other girl, I used a lot.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That's it.

[Esso]

I think Gina, my girl, she got a different type, and I didn't know about her. It was a dude from California that.

[Heineken]

Called her on the phone and was.

[Esso]

Like, yo, y' all gotta follow each other. That's how I found out. It was before the head and stuff.

[Heineken]

Like that DJ had take. Because that sounds crazy. You say it was before the head.

[Esso]

I was like, that was before the DJ Head show she has with me before.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Effective immediately. Shout out to head, too. That's my first.

[Esso]

Yeah. So the dude had put us in touch, and we followed. So I started watching her, and I see what she's doing with the freestyle platform, but it's the sauce that's in it, it's whatever she's doing before the people push her out the way. It's the idea, it's the shirts that she has that kicks back to what she says and what she's doing. All of that is swag to me. All that is sauce, all that is different. Everybody don't have that, that. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I look for. And I'm not big on. I don't really watch content, so I just see whatever catches my eye, you know what I'm saying? And those type of things catch my eye.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, I appreciate that. Well, y', all, we got it in the episode because our editors are going to be screaming at me. But it has been an amazing episode. Thank you guys for joining me on the podcast. Y' all popped the studio cherry.

[Heineken]

Thank you. We appreciate the hospitality.

[Esso]

Do that. The numbers be going crazy, crazy.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I appreciate you guys for joining me. So listen, this has been another episode of the latest with Lauren La Rosa. I tell you guys all the time, I lowriders. At the end of the day, y' all could be anywhere with anybody having these conversations, talking about all these things because there's always a lot to talk about. But you guys are always right here with me and I appreciate you guys for it. I'll catch you guys in my next episode.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices. Also made with some Daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for Taco Tuesday. They also have Daisy ranch dip. So get out there and give Daisy French onion dip a try. You will not regret it.

[Esso]

It.

[Ed Zitron]

I'm Ed Zitron of the Better Offline Podcast and I want you to join me at this year's Consumer Electronics show in Las Vegas, Nevada. Starting January 6th through January 10th, 2026, we're doing 10 radio style podcast episodes about the world's biggest tech conference. And I'll be joined by David Roth, Chloe Radcliffe, Adam Conover, Corey Doctorow, and a host of other guests to tell you all about what the tech industry is desperate to sell you in 2026.

[Unidentified Panelist at CES]

Today I did five hours of back to back back panels on artificial intelligence. It included a number of great moments, including an entire room full of people laughing about people losing their jobs due to artificial intelligence.

[Ed Zitron]

It's going to be the single best coverage of CES ever recorded. Even if it kills us. Listen to Better offline on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts Wherever you happen to get.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Your podcasts, this is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.