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Essie Cupp
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
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Mangesha Teagar
I'm Mangesha Teagar, and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive. This time, I talk to scientists, biopunks, curmudgeons, blue zoners, super seniors, and Goa's top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way.
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Norman Steele
I'd say probably start bone smashing.
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Mangesha Teagar
That doesn't work.
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Essie Cupp
To make it look more defined.
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Norman Steele
They say it works.
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Matt Altmix
I don't know.
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Mangesha Teagar
Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live Forever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Essie Cupp
When Democrats are messing up, I say it. When Republicans are messing up, I say it. I'm Essie Cupp, a journalist and political commentator, and on my podcast, off the Cup, I help you make sense of the often nonsensical news. I do this on cable news, too, but on my podcast, I can really let loose and be my honest, unfiltered self. I just want to talk about something that happened this week because it's so bonkers, so stupid, such incredibly bad politics. We have to talk about it. Come for the hot takes. Stay for the sanity. Listen to off the cup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Nora Jones, and my podcast Playing along is back with more of my favorite musicians. Check out my newest episode with Finneas.
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Matt Altmix
So I went home and I asked
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Billie if she wanted to sing. She immediately made it her own thing.
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Norman Steele
You really know how to make me
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
cry when you give me those ocean lines and I'm scared.
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Essie Cupp
So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing along on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Paul Verze
Paul Verze here, and I want to talk to you about Paul's best podcast, Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio. I sit down each week with a special guest and we discuss the absolute best of things.
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Norman Steele
Pete dav.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
It's that and then there's everything else.
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Paul Verze
Dude, his whole life has sounded like the first drop of a roller coaster. I mean, I can't even tell you, Paul, how crazy it was. It was insane. Listen to Paul's best podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Gangster Chronicles. This is not your average show. You're now tuned into the real MCA Big Stairs from the streets.
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Norman Steele
Hello. Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of iHeartRadio and Black Effect podcast network. Make sure you download the Iheart app and subscribe to the Gangsta Chronicles. For my Apple users, hit the purple mic on your front screen, subscribe to the Gangster Chronicles, leave a five star rating and comment. Hey, what's happening, man?
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
We're just chilling. You know how it is, man, to
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Norman Steele
the people, man, we probably ain't talked in about two months or something like that.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, a few people was hitting me up like, what's cracking?
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Norman Steele
Yeah, what's going on? You know, people, man, they be wonder. They start these speculations and stuff like that, be wondering what's going on. But we back in the house. You know, the podcast game is really changing a whole lot. I just peeped out that Meg the Stallion sued this, this podcast chick, what's her name, some grinds, Milano Grimes or something like that. But she won 75, 000 for defamation. I wonder if I can give me
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
some money, some defamation. You want to get somebody to me, somebody talking, some talking, man.
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Norman Steele
It's a whole bunch of people that always have my name and they, and they dick suckers, you know, always got my name in their mouth somehow. I'm gonna start filing lawsuits. You think that's. Now if I start suing people, would that fall into the snitch category?
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I. I mean, under my definition of snitch, you know, I go a different route. But, you know, this is a different day in time now. You know, this, this is the new era of, of, you know, the culture, keeping the culture and content creators and all of that. So all depends on what the definition of snitch may be. Now, I don't know that, that you would be labeled as a snitch necessarily, because this has nothing to do with, you know, the hood or criminal cases or, you know, loyalty to the hood or some. It's that just that white people, you feel me, you're not gonna be able to say I'm a punk. I'm gonna sue you for saying I'm a punk. Because I in real life, I'm no punk. So, you know, it's a different situation.
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Norman Steele
Yeah, I think, man, that I actually like that though, man, because for the longest people been out here, man, throwing real salt on people's names, man, and talking down on people's names and all that shit with all kind of slanderous accusations and just, just saying any damn thing, man. Get to the point to where they can say anything, right? And I think if you start hitting people in their pocketbooks, man, hitting some of these bras in their purses, they gonna keep their mouth shut.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I mean, but that's how people do, you know, like I said, we as we. As we as black people, you know, we deal with that on a different note. You know, we might deal with that differently. But today, you know, in the world of. Of. Of. Of entertainment, let's just call it what it is, you know, whether you do music or movies or anything in the light of being in public eye, you know, you considered a celebrity or whatever. So, you know, people gotta watch what they say, you know, because you. This isn't the first time, you know, people been doing defamation lawsuits for a long time. You get me feeling, you know, feel like they image and who they are as a person is everything. You get me. And whether you might, you, you know this ain't true or is true, you know, you know, as yourself. And so I might. Can't stand for that.
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Norman Steele
I might just think about the harm, though. The harm is somebody's reputation that costs. But the Internet, though, bro, you know, somebody's kids may see this mess. Somebody's mama might see a man is, you know, slander somebody. Ain't cool, dog.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, and then I go, look, then you gotta go my camera straight, okay? Then you gotta look at is.
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Matt Altmix
Is.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
How. How. How far, right? How far is it to be taken with somebody running their mouth, right? Because you, like I said, you again, as a man, as a person, you feel very strongly about who you are in your image. So what does it. What level does it go to? Because I've been told plenty of times when be running 8 miles and talking and saying that ain't true. I've been told plenty of times to address it once and then don't worry about it no more. So how far do you let it go before you feel I gotta do. I gotta do some lawsuit type of. How far do that go? How far.
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Norman Steele
You know what, man? I'm gonna tell you like this. We've been doing this for a long time, podcasting for damn near 10 years now. And I used to always be in a mindset, man. Oh, it ain't nothing. Let that roll off your back. You don't want to pay no attention, but that, you know, that piss you off sometimes, man, you know, depending on what somebody say, especially if somebody. Because the thing that gets me with all this is the lies, right? You know, it's the lies and just slamming the name, right? Refuse to tell the truth. And they do it just to get views, right? So they slamming your name, they're using you to kind of come up. So I do think people should be held liable. And since you can't take it, you know, you can't exactly just go whoop people's ass nowadays.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Exactly.
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Norman Steele
You can't go just beat up somebody.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
You can if a want to give you that, you feel me? But, but how many, but how many, you know, you hear everybody yelling, I take a fade or I catch a fade or fade, fade, fade. But you know how, how seriously do a feel like, okay, I'm finna get out here and fight a.
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Norman Steele
You know, ain't nobody running nobody's fade nowadays. Hey, you know, first of all, we grown ass men, not grown ass men, we consider elder statesmen. You feel what I'm saying? Like is a 55 year old man out there going to go squabble somebody because he talking about me, right? So first of all, I might go out there, man, and let's say I hit this dude, he fall and hit his head. Now he, you know, and he lose his life. I unalive him now, you know, it's a whole nother situation, right? So it's not even worth the risk to me. So I much rather call my attorney, man, get the money together and file a lawsuit and you know, might come up off of it, man. 75,000 ain't a bad little lick. 75 thou ain't a bad little lick, bro. You hit these fools in their pocketbooks and hit them where it hurt, man. You know, I think if, if a dude get a few dollars took from a man, that'll end that, that'll end a lot of real, that end a whole bunch of real real quick. Think about it, bro, you don't have people say about you that wasn't true. And the thing about it, bro, is like this. When kids get to seeing that dog and people's wives and mamas and all that stuff, bro, and you know, some of your loved ones be having real concerns. Some of these monkeys be out here
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
talking, you know, that's what I said. You have to. It all depends on how far it goes, you know, I'm saying still especially you got, you know, you got a wife, you got, you got kids, you know, and, and they're, they're, they're, they're, they're mature, they're older and, and even if you did have little kids in school and like you said, there's all kind of people that you may know that's on the Internet. And social media. And so how far can you let a disrespect you, defame you? Whatever, whatever. How far do you feel freedom of speech goes? You get me? Because you know what?
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Norman Steele
Freedom of speech heels, bro.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
What are. What they're. What are they trying to say? What are they trying to proclaim? Oh, I'm just. I'm just. It's freedom of speech. I could say. I could say this and I could say that, you know, but. But the. But the you saying is detrimental. You know what I'm saying? To me, my family, my situation. So how does that. How does that freedom of speech kick in?
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Norman Steele
Now, to me, this is freedom of speech, right? Man, I can't stand Steel's podcast. That's a podcast. That's freedom of speech. That's his opinion, right? Right? Say, man, I don't like Ace Music. I never have liked him as a rapper. He sucked to me. That's his opinion. That's his opinion, right? Now, when they get the man, you know, I slapped this in his face and he didn't do nothing. Or this dude stole money from me. He did this and that, right? Now, that's slander. That's slander in my name. And I'm gonna tell you this. If it's true, and this is where the letter of law goes. If it's true, I can't do nothing about it, right? If somebody really did slap me in my face, not marked out, I can't say nothing about it. But if you sitting up there telling a lie and you doing that to intentionally damage my. That damage my reputation of my character, you trying to turn me and make me look like a whole ass, I can sue you for that.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
But. I guess it's all in the individual on how they feel. You get me? If A said, yeah, I slapped that eight out, now. My people gonna know it's false. You get me? Like you said, unless it's. Unless it's true. Unless A knocked me out, caught me slipping, knocked me out, whatever, it can happen. It could happen to anybody. But as far as, like you said to the fact that this ain't never slapped me or punched me or I've never even been in a situation where I've even been around a. To where he can put his hands on me or we did get into a confrontation, so do I give a that this is saying some. Some, I don't know. I don't know. I guess it all depends on who you are to feel like, oh, this said he slapped the out you and you're a punk he didn't like. So that's it. If, if you sue a. What are you proving that he didn't? But what if he keeps saying I did this is gonna believe or not believe the. You know what I'm saying?
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Norman Steele
I guess. You know what? And we was living in different times because back in the day, right, like the 90s and the early 2000s, they said that that was all a part of being in the game, right? You a public figure, you got to get used to people talking about you, right? And people very seldom filed lawsuits unless it was that National Enquirer type of, you know, to where they, you know. Because you had people dog who almost lost their marriages because of lies, right? You feel what I'm saying? Somebody come out on the national inquiry and say, oh, MC8 is rumored to be dating such and such. And your girl see that in the grocery store, she gets the thinking in her mind, well, that might not be true. But then, you know, that could bother somebody, I'm sure.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I mean, rumors and innuendo. Could it bother. It would bother a lot of people. Even the people who, like you said, even you yourself, who know it's untrue, your wife, your kids, your closest friends, people that know you. Oh, we know that ain't true, but, but like you said, just because it's out in the public eye, that shit
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Norman Steele
with me and this is la, let's keep it real, right? This Los Angeles, your reputation is everything out here, right? A man's reputation is everything. And I think that's all global, right? But especially out here, right, if you let somebody think that somebody is getting away with doing something to you, marking you out or treating you like a little hoe, you gonna have to put on a demonstration eventually because somebody go try you.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah.
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Norman Steele
This is a very predatory city, you know what I'm saying? This is a very predator like city, you know, this is a city, man, where people pray on the week. Let's just keep it real, right? So if you perceive to be one of them weak people, you might have, you know, you might have to make, you know, you might have to move a little something. Yeah, you might have to move a little something, you feel me? I just think we live in the air right now, man. But then again, this is probably the first time, man, in history, you know, in the last like 10 years, man, that people can actually reach out and touch a celebrity or somebody, that they made a person of note, right? They can actually reach out to you. Whereas back in the day, somebody saw you in Source magazine either went to your show or maybe at an in store. That was the extent of it. Or they may see you bailing through the mall and may come and say, can I get an art? It wouldn't even take a picture back then. Can I get an autograph? Can you sign my T shirt or. Hold up, I got the tape with me, bro. Can you sign my tape? You feel me?
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah.
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Norman Steele
You get stuff like that now, bro. The end. It's almost like the computer has killed the, the Internet, bro. Has killed celebrity, so to speak. Because now you almost become a regular.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Well, I'm glad I've already always considered myself a regular. I mean, you know, I guess it's, it's hard to put yourself in that position when people know you and you've been on TV and around the world and records and all that type of. But I try to consider myself a regular, normal. And so, I mean, I guess it all comes with the territory and, and how you establish yourself as a celebrity or entertainer or a person of, you know, that's considered a value to yourself. You could be, you ain't gotta be, you know, you could just be a regular who can, you know, I want the same respect, you know, so it just, it just. Like I said, it all depends on how the walk of life in is just ain't gonna like you, period. Some people, that's just it. You get me now.
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Norman Steele
Now let me ask you this. Not sorry to cut you off because you've been around, you've had a long career, right? Would you say it was a major difference back in the 90s and the early 2000s, man, the mid, mid to late 90s when you started, man, during your. Would you say it was a major difference from the way stuff feels then to now as far as fan interactions?
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, it's different. It's, it's, it's real different. I mean, Hush. Back when I started, you had a lot of personal contact with fans up front. You know, you, you, you, you see them at the, you, you see them at the, the autograph signings and the record stores and the in stores. And you see them when you go do promo tours and you know, you know, genuine, you know, we didn't have computer interaction, we didn't have social media and all of that type of. So a lot of it was hand to hand. You. You know, today it's different as far as fans are concerned. The access of pushing a button and, you know, a million billion people across the world can have access to you personally and Then a lot of people, you know, they like to put their lives all up on social media and you know, personal and you know, show your kids and show where you live and, and do all of that. And so it takes to a different level as far to me as far as fan interaction from back in the day as today. So you got to be very careful. And yeah, thus, thus the good comes with the bad. You get me? Thus you're opening the door now because now you got the who don't like you, who have real access to you. You get me? And, and, and their opinion as of a who might get a hate mail letter or you might never, you know, 30 years ago when I was promo, touring or whatever, whatever, I might not never see a who don't like my. You get me?
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Norman Steele
Yeah. Cause you pretty much going places, you know, you're going to show you going to the in store signing. The majority of the people that come to places like that are fans.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Exactly.
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Norman Steele
The fans. So you know, you.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Oh no. Oh no, I don't. You know, now a could be in Timbuktu going 8 at the push of a button as opposed to 30 years ago. I wouldn't have known the Timbuktu who didn't like my music or who just didn't like me for the person I am, whatever, you know.
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Norman Steele
Well, you know why that is, bro? People are attention whores today, right? And people have always been attention whores. But now a person would do anything for attention, man. A person would go online and eat his boogers dog, just to get some views, just so people could pay attention to them. Even if they going that nasty. Look at them go.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
A lot of people want to be famous today, you know, by any means, you know, I don't know, like, I don't know. I didn't grow up with that aspect. I don't know how many true. I don't know how many true grow up. I ain't saying now, but just back then, you know, how many was like, oh, I'm gonna grow up and be famous as opposed to you just want to grow up and have a regular good life. You get me?
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Norman Steele
Yeah. I think we all had goals. I'm pretty sure at some point. When you first start rap. How old was you when you first started rapping? Fifteen.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, 15.
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Norman Steele
I'm pretty sure, you know, because it really wasn't no industry, so to speak, you know, not a huge one. Right. But I'm pretty sure after a while you wanted to get on. Not so much for the fame aspect. Of it. But I think we all want to go to the top of the heights in our perspective fields. You feel what I'm saying?
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Exactly.
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Matt Altmix
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Paul Verze
Hey guys, Paul Verze here and I want to talk to you about Paul's best podcast, Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and I Heart Radio. I sit down each week with a special guest and we discuss the absolute best of things Davidson.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
It's that and then there's everything else.
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Paul Verze
He would just shout one line and it would murder. Marie, lunch. Let's talk about the best moments that we had on the road. I would to love love a cocktail. Dude, Joe could get last row, middle seat on a Southwest Airlines flight. Joe, how was your flight? It was great. The guy in Penn State, we were on the field and the player thought Joe was his former coach and he hugged him and hugged him and Joe just went with it. The guy goes, what are you doing here, coach? And Joe just goes. And you walk in and it is bananas. I mean, it's a feast for the eyes. And I was like, it's like it's not my thing either, but we're here. When in Rome, top athlete, athletes, chefs, musicians, everybody listen to Paul's best podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mangesha Teagar
I'm Mangesha together and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about and what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I can make a brain for you. And then we can test what drug is the best for your brain as opposed to his brain.
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Mangesha Teagar
Here are some hard truths.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a four to five year
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Mangesha Teagar
acceleration and get myself into a World of Trouble.
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Norman Steele
I'd say probably start bone smashing.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
That doesn't work.
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Essie Cupp
To make it look more defined.
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Norman Steele
They say it works. I don't know.
- [24:20]
Mangesha Teagar
Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live Forever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Gary Valenciano
We've all been there. We've had seasons that have shaken everything. The question is, what remains when the shaking stops? Hi, I'm Gary Valenciano and on my podcast Unshaken with Gary Vee, I sit down with amazing personalities and we talk about the seasons that nearly broke them, the lows that carried them to their highs. Listen to Unshaken with Gary Vee on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Norman Steele
You know, I don't know if you. I know when I was first started doing music and stuff, I never thought about the money. Brought to know there's no money like that in it. I just wanted to be involved in it because I thought it was really dope.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
When I first started with the music, Like I said, I grew up probably like any other regular kid, you know, most kids, I don't know how you grew up still, but you know, from the young ages of 5 to maybe 10 to 12 or some like that, maybe 10, 11. What did you dream of becoming as, as an adult? You knew what adulthood was. You knew whatever, whatever. What, what, what did you dream to be as a five year old kid?
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Norman Steele
Well, I aspired, man. I had different goals at one, I'm tell you, and this is, I guess this is a really like, fact that very few people know. I'm actually a really good artist. I can really paint and draw very well. Like, like very well. I don't do it as much as I used to, but I got invited to attend the Cleveland School of Arts. I always had a real talent for that, right? That could have been like, you know, I had paintings and stuff. I had paintings on display, you know, at prominent places, right. And my mother wanted me to really take that route, right. But then I, as I got older, I started playing football, right? And the football kind of took precedence over everything else to where it was like, man, I'm not going to no Cleveland school Arts. They don't even have a football team there. You feel me, right? Football kind of became my thing. And, and don't get me wrong, art was always a major passion. Even now to this day, man, I, I, every once in a while, man, I get to sketching some stuff out, right? Just messing around, right?
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Right.
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Norman Steele
But I don't know if I had. You know what, man? I'm gonna tell you that the one thing I did want to do, you could think I'm crazy. I wanted to be a professional wrestler at one time. I just thought it was really exciting, man. I think I always wanted to live like, I always wanted to be something like a pro wrestler, maybe even a truck driver. I was always a dude that wanted to work somewhere solitary. You feel what I'm saying? I always pictured myself being a wrestler and going on the road, bro, and just traveling all around the country, you feel what I mean? Going on my matches and getting on. I knew. I knew one thing I didn't want to be. I didn't want to be no, I guess you could say a regular. And I don't know if it was for the money. I just wanted to be great at something for the money of fame. I just wanted to be great at whatever it was I did, bro.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Like I said, you know, growing up, you know, kids, it all depends on how you, you know, the household is, how you feeling as a kid, you know, if it's love in the house or whatever, you know, I think, you know, I had dreams of being, you know, regular as a young kid. But then like you said, you get to a certain age and you start going, oh, I want to be somebody. You get just being regular Tom or. Or Harry or. Or whatever. I want to be somebody. Because you start associating with the fact that being somebody puts you in a position that's probably better off than other. Right? You get me?
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Norman Steele
Yeah.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Because we knew who were somebody's, whether they was in the streets or whether they was famous. Right? Being somebody meant you was a.
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Norman Steele
Even if it was a. Even if it was something as basic as having a decent home, it's like, you know, and you grow up thinking that, you know, don't get me wrong, man, my parents work real hard, and I didn't just. I ain't gonna sit up here and say we lived in Swallow, right? You know, we had heat, we had electricity, you know, we ate and stuff like that. But when you start seeing other stuff, the other side and how the other side live, man, they ain't got no roaches or rats in their creative dog. And these stuff is just nice. It's like, man, you know what? I want to live like this.
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Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Oh, definitely. Like I said, you. You start. You start understanding what upper echelon and what living better is. So you strive, you know, to. To become that. That. And it don't matter. I don't I don't know if. Whether you gonna get it out the streets or whether you gonna go educated and come up with a billion dollar idea business. But you strive to be that because you already know maybe being normal just ain't gonna be it. And like you said, yeah, we wasn't as dirt poor, you know, had running water and electricity and the stove and gas worked, you get me? But at times it was a struggle. And so you always destined to be something greater, you feel me?
- [30:27]
Norman Steele
I think you always. I think every person has that desire. And if they say they don't, man, they lying or, you know, I know everybody, y' all know, bro, desires to have a better life, bro, than what they have. I would say right now, even now, the life I live, bro, I. I've never found, don't get me wrong, I'm very appreciative, man, for the blessings, man, that have been bestowed upon us, right? I don't think we have regular situations, right? We don't have situations that the regular average person may not have, right? But I do, I. I do know that I work very hard for the stuff. It's not easy. I have very little time to kick back. You know, you always joke that I got a million jobs. That's literally true. I got a bunch of different things that I do. And I think I've always been like that because my biggest fear is letting my family down and not having nothing. You feel what I mean? Because I think I've always known that, man, if you work hard, you may not necessarily get what you want, but you would get far. You would get very far if you work hard. If you really focus, man, and say, you know what, man? I'm gonna do this even if you got it. That's what I tell people. Even if you got a regular job, you don't work at that regular job every hour of the day. You can say, okay, man, I'm working at my gig from 10 o' clock in the morning to 7 o' clock at night. So between the hours 8 and 12, I'mma work on this, right? And on my days off, I'm gonna work on it full time, right? And I guarantee you, man, if you really work your thing, work your magic, man. And I think you have to be realistic, right? I think everybody need to find something that they good at first and foremost, right? Everybody can't be no rapper. Everybody can't be no podcaster, necessarily, right? But I think if people focused on and kept it real with themselves and said, you know what, man? I am pretty good at cutting grass or I'm pretty good at painting. I'm pretty good at electricity and fixing stuff. I'm gonna become a journeyman man. I'm gonna tell you right now, the new millionaires in the. In this country, bro, are the plumbers and electricians.
- [32:36]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Oh yeah.
- [32:37]
Norman Steele
Are the plumbers and electricians. And that may not be the sexiest thing in the world, but I swear before God, eight, if I was a young person right now and trying to figure it out and I didn't know what I was gonna do, I would go become a plumber, bro. An electrician.
- [32:50]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah. Hopefully. You know, there are some of those young men and women out there who understand that you can get. You can achieve what you need to achieve without having to be subject or. Or misguided by. You know, I have to become. I have to become someone famous to be on that level.
- [33:17]
Norman Steele
Yeah.
- [33:20]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
You can start a business and your business could be so successful that you still pushing in Rolls Royces and taking trips and flying private planes and like that. It's just all. It's just. It's just your determination of where you want to be in life. You want to settle for. And some people do. I'm. I'm cool with this. I work construction. You know, I got a house, three, four kids wife and we got a pickup truck and a. In a Honda Accord and we good. All the kids graduated high school. Some of them, you know, go to college, blah blah blah. I'm fine. And then some people want to just excel. So there's nothing wrong with that. But I think people need to get out of the aspect that I have to be famous to be successful in life or just be, you know, a good. You know, because a lot of these successful is up really a lot of successful out here that's just. And full of. And think because you know, you got a little change that you, you, you. You supposed to be looked at differently than a. That's why I say I've always tried to consider myself a normal because I don't want a. To consider me no conceited just cause you got a couple of records and you think you know, you walk on clouds and other walk on regular pavement and. No man, that.
- [34:56]
Paul Verze
Yeah.
- [34:56]
Norman Steele
You know what I'm gonna tell you like this, bro. I'm just sitting up here thinking as we talk. Right. I. I know some wealthy people. I know some very wealthy people as a matter of fact on the entertainment side and you know, the regular world side, people who just have very good businesses, right.
- [35:12]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Right?
- [35:13]
Norman Steele
I'm gonna tell you this. The wealthiest person I know is not in entertainment. And when I tell you this, his wealth is so immense that the one person I do know in entertainment that's like a top ranking executive, this guy has 10 times the money he has. Like, this dude is a billionaire. You feel what I'm saying? And he's a guy that doesn't have a high school education. He eventually got his ged, but he just did what I said and worked very hard. He started off in real estate, right? Started off working with somebody, man, and just worked hard, bro, and sacrificed to the point he was sleeping in his car for a little bit and going to Gold's Gym to shower. He sold Gold's Gym memberships on the side until his career popped off, right? And he was able to take showers in there, right? Then eventually he was able to go buy a. A little apartment. He tell me all the time he was living off of Second street, right? And that's when Second street, you know, they got all them buildings now. They used to have a bunch of apartments above those different stores, right? He found a studio apartment, man, somebody renting him for 300amonth, right? And he said, man, that he was working so hard. He looked up one day and realized, man, you know, he had been living there for about three or four years at a point, and he just happened. He never read his mail or looked at his bank statements. He was just grinding. Just focused on just grinding, right? Going to work and grinding, working hard, right? He hadn't even realized he was a millionaire yet, bro. He was working that hard. He didn't realize. He said, you know what, man? I'm actually gonna take me a little time off and go get me a real place now, you know? Right? And. And he just didn't look back, bro. I'm a firm believer in the grind, man. I think you just have to work, man. Not thinking. A lot of people ate today. They got a mindset, man, that something is just supposed to happen for them, you know, where if they know somebody's successful, they just supposed to just get. Automatically get that people don't think they have to work hard, bro, and that's just not true. The more the. The harder being a rapper, bro. Especially being a rapper. That's a working rapper. That's not an easy life, bro.
- [37:25]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
No, I mean, it just, it's. It's a little. It gets hard sometimes. Strenuous, you know what I'm saying? You always got to be able to, you know, produce good, come up with, you know, it's a constant grind to try to maintain whatever level it is. And if, then if you get to a level like you say, it's hard to maintain that. You got to sustain and keep grinding.
- [37:51]
Norman Steele
You have to keep it, bro. The hardest thing is key. Hey, I'm gonna tell you like this. I feel blessed, man. I took some paper in my life, bro. I'm talking about some like, not no millions of dollars bound, take some nice money, right? The hardest thing, bro, is to keep the money. It's easy going to go get it, bro, but it's hard to keep it, bro. Like getting something, just keeping it and maintaining it, bro, that's the hardest thing because it requires an immense amount of discipline, bro. And even if you discipline and not buying, if you look up, man, if you look up and just get to doing regular stuff, right, you'll look up and be like, man, damn, I don't blew through this, you know, this much bread, bro.
- [38:32]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Your money go fast. If you don't know how to manage it, and especially if you never had it before, it's hard to manage and maintain because you want everything. You want to be able to buy everything and still, you know, but not, not being financially sound could, could put you in a situation. You know, if I knew what I.
- [38:55]
Norman Steele
And even if you exactly.
- [38:57]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
If I knew what I knew 30 years ago when getting money, you know, it would have been totally different from. For a young 19, 20, getting checks, you know, here and there. And here come a check for this amount. Here come another check for this amount. Here come another check for. And you know, you do the, you do the typical. When you're a young who's never been taught how to manage and finance money, you know, you want to go out and buy cars, chains and rims, speakers and music and clothes and, and when you should, when you, when you really should be thinking, let me put some money up because 30 years from now, I could buy this right now.
- [39:37]
Norman Steele
Exactly. I think about that all the time. Let me ask you this, bro. Have you ever just sat up and thought about all the BS that you don't bought in your life? Like, I wonder where that is even at. I was thinking about that the other day. I said, bro, I think I got a couple cars out there. I don't even know where they yet.
- [39:54]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I'm. I don't went through cars, low riders, I don't went through jet skis and, and folds bikes and all that type of man speed boats and all kind of man that if, if I had that in my backyard today I'd be like, what the. You get. Look at all this back here. Just, just.
- [40:19]
Norman Steele
And I think to a certain extent, man, even as grown men, we still like toys, so to speak, right? Because I'm gonna tell you now, and it's been taking me a lot not to do it. I want one of them. What's those three motors? They're not motorcycles, but you see, I
- [40:35]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
know what you're talking about. One of my people's got one of them.
- [40:38]
Norman Steele
I love them, dog. Every once in a while I go rent one, right? Just to ride around in, right? Just for the weekend, right? And I love them, dog. And I'll be thinking sometimes man, but them dog cost just as much as a car, bro. You go spend 30, $40,000 on some like that, bro, that you can't. My thing be this. If I can't put no groceries in that ride. My family
- [41:03]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
that said I can't put no groceries in there.
- [41:07]
Norman Steele
Well, I'm saying I forget what the name the name of them exactly.
- [41:12]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
You know, they got the car clubs for them now. They be riding all around in.
- [41:18]
Norman Steele
They look good, dog. Cause ain't nothing like. I would never be a dude riding a motorcycle. I think the is dangerous shout out to the people that ride motorcycles. But that could be me, bro. I just. Them I don't seen too many accidents. That was just all bad. I'm not getting on the motorcycle. But those you sitting in the seat, man. You, you kicking back, man.
- [41:41]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
That said he want that three wheeler. Me, I'm a, I'm a more dirt bright bike, motocross type of dude. So bikes I had. I was in the mountains and in the trails dirt biking and, and, and jumping willys and like that. I've. I've never been the street bike type of dude. I've never been a Harley type of dude. I jump on a 250 or something like that and, and go in the dirt trail and ride around. That's what I was used to because I was a BMX kid growing up.
- [42:17]
Norman Steele
Yeah, the slingshot. That's what they are, slingshots. And I've seen slingshots. That was next level. I saw some slingshots, man, that looked like old school cars, you know what I'm talking about?
- [42:29]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Oh, they fix them up like a look.
- [42:32]
Norman Steele
They got the ones man that look like almost like the soapbox derby ones, man, with the look, you know what I mean? And they got some dope shit, man. It's like, man, and them. Some of that shit is Expensive, bro.
- [42:46]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
That shit costs money.
- [42:48]
Norman Steele
Yeah, slingshots are expensive, bro. They cost money. And I. And I thought about that, man, buying stuff like that, but it takes a certain amount of discipline. Because the one thing I am conscious of, bro, is that we not look kids no more. We. We coming into a time 8 to where in about 10 years for me and you both, it's gonna be time to lay it down, bro, and just, you know, like, this is life. We just kicking it, kind of just waiting for. You feel what I'm saying? Waiting for eternity. You feel me?
- [43:14]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yes. You know, it gets to a point you got to be, you know, not settled, but you have to, you know, get your priorities together and, you know, know that, you know, you ain't gonna live forever. You know, you start. You start getting that knowledge when you start hitting up there and, you know, so. But we still working and we still got to do and. And ideas and projects to put out, you know, like, I'm working on project right now. It might be my last record, but I just. And it wasn't because I needed to do a record, you know, financially or whatever. I had love for music before. Before I even made a dollar, you get me? I put out albums, you know, and. And was riding around the country and touring and doing. And wasn't making a dollar and just enjoyed the fact that I was able to. I was able to survive and then do something I love because it was just. That's just what it was. Music was it. So. But like I said, you get. You get mature and you start seeing the value and. And start understanding that, you know, you want to be in a different place in your older years when you ain't podcasting anymore, going on tour or whatever, you want to be able to sit comfortably and secure so, you know, work hard in their old age.
- [44:52]
Norman Steele
So. Yeah. And you know, the thing is, man, this is why I tell everybody that nothing lasts forever, right? I tell those young people because I hear young people sometimes, man, these stupid, man, you would give all this up. And I tell people all the time, even with the podcast and stuff, I say, yeah, but I am starting to see the ending of certain things because with an ending comes a new beginning, right? You feel me?
- [45:19]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Right?
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Paul Verze
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- [46:03]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
It's that and then there's everything else.
- [46:05]
Paul Verze
He would just shout one line.
- [46:06]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, it would murder. Marie, lunch.
- [46:10]
Paul Verze
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- [46:20]
Norman Steele
It was great.
- [46:21]
Paul Verze
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- [46:51]
Mangesha Teagar
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- [47:13]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I can make a brain for you. And then we can test what drug is the best for your brain as opposed to here.
- [47:21]
Mangesha Teagar
His brain. Here are some hard truths.
- [47:24]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a four to five year
- [47:31]
Mangesha Teagar
acceleration and get myself into a world of trouble.
- [47:36]
Norman Steele
I'd say probably start bone smashing.
- [47:38]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
That doesn't work.
- [47:39]
Essie Cupp
Make it look more defined.
- [47:40]
Norman Steele
They say it works. I don't know.
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Mangesha Teagar
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- [48:27]
Norman Steele
I don't know if I necessarily want to do Gangsta Chronicles for another five years,
- [48:33]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
right?
- [48:33]
Norman Steele
It takes a lot to be. And the more busier you get. This is what I tell people. And this happens in rap groups, too. As you get older, bro, life starts getting in the way. Even the certain things that may be bringing you money, stuff has a way of demanding attention, right? You know, you start making a certain amount of money doing other stuff, right? You start thinking like, man, you know, what, do I really even have time to continue doing this at? You know, at the rate that I'm doing it, right? But then you got to snap out of it and say, yeah, I'm had to just start managing my time better.
- [49:09]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's. It's only so many hours in a day, but, you know, know, they gotta get done and you gotta get accomplished. So that's. That's just. That's just it, period. You just gotta learn how to manage time better. You know, we have to learn how to do that, especially if we want to be involved in multiple projects and multiple things, because, you know, it's people who rely and depend on to get done. And unfortunately, you know, that's just what happens when you in the world of business and working multiple jobs and positions, you got a lot of to tend to, got a lot of into. So. And the up about it is if you don't tend to it, then it ain't gonna get done. It's gonna get stalled. With other. You get me?
- [50:10]
Norman Steele
And if you're a rapper or a podcaster, especially if they don't reach a certain level, you may be contractually obligated to get that done. You feel me?
- [50:20]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Right?
- [50:21]
Norman Steele
And you get that. You know, I don't care whether you're a rapper, man. Nothing is ever as easy as it seems, man. And I think being an entertainer is just a hard thing altogether, man. Like, I'll be honest with you, bro. Being an actor is fun, but being on those sets of long days, it's long days, bro. Doing the same over and over and over again.
- [50:47]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I definitely know that it could be stressful doing movies and. Yep, again, again, again. Cut. Again, again, again. Now we're gonna get it from this angle. Now we want to get it from this Side now we, we just did the same about 15 times, but three different ways. You feel me? So, yeah, you have to be ready for. You have to be ready for the life you choose. You get me? That's just what it is. We, we have to accept the life we chose. And this is what comes with the territory. People ask me all the time when come up and be like, do you get tired when people recognize you or they ask you to take pictures or they whoopty woo. And I'll be like, nah, it don't. It comes with the territory. I mean, what, what did I expect, you know, putting out records and videos and movies and video games and all that? Did you expect like you wasn't gonna get noticed? You know? And then you don't want to treat people like, like you are, like I said any different. I won't be normal. So if come up to me and be like, man, can I? And it don't matter. I could be in the grocery store line, I could be at the, at the gym on a machine. I could be in the airport going through security. They don't give a. They go.
- [52:15]
Norman Steele
That's what I was gonna say. Let's be real. People do not give a about.
- [52:19]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
You would think that a be like, oh, this sitting down with his people getting ready to eat. I ain't gonna go ask him for no picture. Nope. You, you would think a on the machine at the gym, working, sweating, getting his on, got his headphones on, ain't paying attention to nobody. You would think a be like, oh, I ain't gonna bother a but. And then you don't want them to feel like, oh, what you think you better than me? You can't take a picture or you can't wooty. You don't want them to have that feeling. So I just say, no, no problem. Oh, you mind? Because at first they'll recognize you on that tip and then they'll double back. They don't do it all in one swoop. They just, they'll do the double. They'll do the double back. So. Oh, ain't you ain't. And I try to cut them off before they even could finish the sentence. Ain't you. And I'll be like, yeah, that's me. And then like, yeah, I thought that was you. I was over here working out now, you know. So they was like, good looking man. I listened and I'd be like, I appreciate you.
- [53:25]
Norman Steele
Some people is cool about it, bro. Some people are really cool. Like if I'm at the gym, bro, that's the main place, right? Sometimes they'll wait till I'm finished, right? And they'd be like, man, you suck. Sucks. I really mess with this show I enjoy. And we give dap and stuff, and they go about that way. And that's cool, bro. Like. Like, it's cool doing all that, man. I'm gonna tell you what I don't like. The ones that don't have common sense, and they want to sit there like, they may see you, but they may see you sitting down with your family about to eat, but they want to hold a whole conversation about some you might have said. And it's usually, I don't mind them wanting to talk, bro, but it depends on what they want to talk about. If it's. Exactly, bro. It's like, come on, man, you really want to sit up here and talk about that right now? One thing I really laugh at. I'm gonna tell you what I think is the funniest thing. I get it at least twice a week, man. Where MCA. That. It's like, man, MC8 is at his house. We not together all the time.
- [54:24]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, people always people figures that, you know, they do that. Oh, you. You still do the podcast? What's up with Steel? I'll be like, I have no idea. I ain't talked to the this week. You know, they feel like what they
- [54:38]
Norman Steele
don't know is when you're doing a podcast, man, you really want to interact. You really want. Because we. Me. You got other. We do together, but you really want to kind of like, space them interactions out a little bit. So when you do get together, you have something to talk about.
- [54:54]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Exactly.
- [54:56]
Norman Steele
You have something to talk about, man. You know, speaking of talking, man, my boy Glass has been going through it this week, man. I told him, I said, man, stay out the family. Stay out of family things, man. Let them resolve. They let them resolve their stuff, man, because it can get again, another pitfall of podcast. And, bro, you can get caught up so easy, man. Justin,
- [55:23]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
it's like some people understand and I'm not gonna speak on family business, right. I can speak on the avenue of being a nigga who's been in the entertainment record business for 30 plus years, right? I can speak on the aspect of when it comes to writing songs, producing songs, how contracts work, right?
- [55:59]
Norman Steele
Exactly.
- [56:01]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I can't speak on personal business, but I know when I do a record with a right, you gotta know who you're dealing with from. From. From the jump, right? This is just in general. Spice One could call me he'll say, eight, get on the record. Spice is someone I've been knowing for what, over 25 years?
- [56:42]
Norman Steele
Probably more.
- [56:49]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Me and Slick produced records for Spice when he was on Jive Records. We did. We produced. We produced the 187 right there. A to the K, whatever, the Murder Show.
- [57:10]
Norman Steele
Okay, Y' all did that?
- [57:12]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Yeah, me and Slip produced the Murder Show. We had a. We had a production team called Half Ounce Productions. So I would come up with bass lines and Slip would come up with drum tracks. And so that's why. That's how we was Half House Productions. So we produced the Murder Show. It was through Jive, right? I paid us some upfront money. I rapped on the song, too. So I got a contract. Says, Aaron Tyler, blah, blah, blah. Half Ounce Productions produced Murder show, wrote my portion of Murder Show. Have I ever seen a royalty check from John for Murder Show?
- [58:17]
Norman Steele
I would probably say not, though. Probably. Probably say no. Because what is contention upon then?
- [58:26]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
You got to understand, as an artist who rapped on the Murder Show, I was signed to Sony Records, right? Oh, being signed to them, whatever, Flip flop, whatever. If I got a royalty check today for the Murder show, it probably would be for about a dollar and something. Let's just keep it real, right? I've done songs with right to where say, hey, can you come do a verse? I go to the studio, slide me what he gonna slide me, right? M. Some do paperwork, some you do it on a handshake deal, right?
- [59:31]
Norman Steele
Exactly.
- [59:38]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
If I've signed a contract with A, it's gonna stipulate, right? Stipulate what I'm gonna get if we doing paperwork like that. This could be anybody. This could be anybody from Spice 1 to Snoop Dogg to the local hood around the block who got their own little label or whatever, right? I'm gonna sign the contract, and I'm on that aspect. This gonna say I wrote my verse. It's gonna say I produce this beat, right? I got my paperwork now, depending on who it is, right? Still, Am I. Am I expecting a royalty check?
- [60:42]
Norman Steele
Well, the thing is, and this is what I don't think people don't understand right now. This is the thing, right? You got some up front. You got an advance on. You got an advance on the production. And whatever you did in the rap part, whatever you got, right?
- [60:58]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
You got an advance, right?
- [61:00]
Norman Steele
Not only are you getting advanced, Spice is getting in advance as well. For his whole project. For his whole entire project.
- [61:09]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Well, I don't know what they. I don't know what they gave yeah, he's doing an album. So you're hired. They bring you in still to do a beat for Spice. One Jive record, okay? Still, we want you to do a beat for Spice, okay? And also we heard you rap a little bit, and we want you to bust on it. So not only do we want you to produce it, we want you to bust on it too. So you're gonna do a contract with Jive, right? Jive is gonna hand you a contract saying Norm Steel produced, blah, blah, blah. And then he also co wrote because you wrote what? It's. It's three verses on the song. You wrote your verse. Well, you entitled to at least 10% of the writers, right? It's 50 if it's 50 for the beat, 50 for the writers. You getting 50 because you did the beat, right? And then you wrote a verse. There's three verses on the song. So how did that. 50% of writers. What do you think you should get out of that?
- [62:20]
Norman Steele
50% of the writers, man?
- [62:22]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
He got two verses on there and you got one.
- [62:26]
Norman Steele
He got two verses on there. Really? You got the production.
- [62:30]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
You already got to. Don't even speak on production because you already claiming your 50 for production.
- [62:37]
Norman Steele
This is why, if he's getting this, he's getting this thing, man. I would say probably not even 10, okay?
- [62:44]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
And that's generous because I'd give a 10 because he at least wrote a. It's 50. Fuck it. I'll take 40 and you take 10.
- [62:52]
Norman Steele
But that's what I'm saying.
- [62:53]
Essie Cupp
But.
- [62:53]
Norman Steele
But listen to this, though. 8. Any money that you get after that, bro. Any money that you get after that row. He has to first recoup his budget for any money to get paid out on anything you feel.
- [63:08]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I'm not even thinking I'm ever fit to see a royalty check. I know the.
- [63:13]
Norman Steele
I don't know nobody.
- [63:14]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I've been in this. I've been in this for 30 years. I never. I never seen a royalty check for. We come strapped for death threats for seeing I seen big advances. You get me? I was getting big advances. But royalty check
- [63:45]
Norman Steele
is a thing that just doesn't happen. You feel what I'm saying? It just doesn't happen because I'm.
- [63:52]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I'm.
- [63:52]
Norman Steele
I'm.
- [63:53]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
But. But just like any other, after 40 years, Sony hit me up and said, hey, we've been looking for you. You get me? So that's probably to avoid some. Yeah, They could have not been recouped at the time. And then 30 years later, with streaming and all of that but I had, I got. I have paperwork. You get me? I could go to Sony. I can go to Sony right now and go. I put out. We come strapped 30 years ago. My name is on every. Look at the credits. First song written a Tyler. Second song a Tyler. Third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seven, eight. Every song I wrote. So I can go to Sony right now and go ahead. I never received a royalty check and like you said, they gonna claim they never recouped. That's the job, right? Recouped because. But the record sold over a million copies.
- [65:07]
Norman Steele
So how I've never. I I'll be honest with you bro. Now this is what I do know. If you mess around and have a day not like us or in the club or something, that's just one of them big huge gigantic records. You're probably going to see some money, bro. But that's usually gonna come in the form of somebody actually coming to probably give you a publishing deal for your piece of that record.
- [65:35]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Exactly. Same with me. Was I getting money from Sony? No, I got money from publishing deals. That's where I could. Because I was writing all my songs so I could go get a publishing deal because I could go yeah, that's next record I definitely put out. I wrote 10 songs on. That's usually what they would do. You get a publishing deal for 10 songs and oh well I just finished the record so hand it over.
- [66:01]
Norman Steele
That's the thing, the thing with the record business man, you want to get paid as much as you can up front because you ain't gonna see nothing else.
- [66:08]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
It's it's. It's. It's hard and and like I said, I'm not getting into nobody business because both is my.
- [66:20]
Norman Steele
And that's the crosses the beer those they crosses my.
- [66:25]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
So I, I'm. I'm a real back in the day. I don't. You don't around with certain. You don't around with bitten. You get me? I don't touch that. That's my. That's my. So I have no opinion. I'm just a who know. I've been in the Entertainment business for 30, 35 years. It's hard to get a wreck. It's hard to get a royalty check. You get impossible not to saying that is not entitled or whatever. Whatever but I'm just speaking on the fact of when it comes to a major label.
- [67:04]
Norman Steele
Oh it ain't no. You know we can talk about that forever.
- [67:07]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
I was signed to one of the biggest around here Sony Epic royalty check before you hearing Crickets and on the ground and then, and then again on that as on a different aspect if I, if, if, if, if, if I went. That's just like right now, right? It's, it's. It all depends on how you get me. And I was a young too. Still ain't no about no contracts and paperwork. I didn't know you know took for some for to happen to me to where I was discovering, you know a was getting more was getting money. But like you could, you could put me in a similar situation, right? I've wrote every song I've ever wrapped. I've never had a ghost rider. From the time I start putting out records, my first two records the took my publishing have I. And and, and, and it could be a dumb move not to right? Because I could easily go back right now and go where my money right? We've had these discussions plenty of times, right? I could easily go after a right now and go where my money. My first two albums I didn't get a dime, right? I didn't get a dime. And this ain't this. This is every. I'm talking about it. It's. It's recorded, copywritten. Look at the right all songs and two albums. Every song written by Aaron Tyler, right? I didn't get a dollar. I didn't get a royalty check or publishing. And I wrote every song I can hit a right now today and go Nick, there's proof it's right there. And, and you can't produce no contract with my signature on it saying that you were allowed to keep every royalty in publishing. There is none. So you'd be me. And Chill was just talking about this today when he called from, you know, from the spot he like hey, you could go after. Yeah but I'm like man, it is what it is man.
- [69:58]
Norman Steele
You get when you start talking about
- [70:00]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
time, man, 30, 40 years go I didn't receive and you didn't write my verses. So all that where I didn't get my publishing and I didn't get no nick all that. And, and just think about it today, the every check that a sound exchanged or BMI or whoever is sending sending to his ass when it should be coming to me. Because from day one you know you. You didn't write that.
- [70:34]
Norman Steele
You didn't write him and he's getting it.
- [70:37]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
But that, but that era feels and we've had this discussion with some people that's close to a. Whatever that era feels it's justified because of who I am today. It would never be who I AM today if that didn't happen. So take it and walk. That's the attitude that's produced. Not like, oh, just stole your livelihood. That's money that could be going to your grandkids, your great grandkids. Why should he get to keep it? Because I was the. That walked you through the door and you were able to become MC8 because I said, come on, dude.
- [71:23]
Paul Verze
So.
- [71:25]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
So I should be entitled to keep that.
- [71:28]
Norman Steele
And on that note, man, the game is up, and it is what it
- [71:33]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
is, what it is.
- [71:36]
Norman Steele
You know what we should do? We should have a whole show, man, about how the music business work. And I think if people heard the truth, they wouldn't want to be involved in that. But we gonna catch y' all next week. I got a game to go watch.
- [71:49]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Okay, for sure. Y' all stay up.
- [71:52]
Norman Steele
Well, that concludes another episode of the Gangster Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the iHeart app and subscribe to the Gangsta Chronicles podcast for Apple users. Find a purple mic on the front of your screen. Subscribe to the show, leave a comment and rating. Executive producers for the Gangster Chronicles podcast, Norman Steele, Aaron mca Tyler. Our visual media director is Brian Wyatt, and our audio editor is Taylor Hayes. The Gangster Chronicles is a production of iHeartMedia Network and the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast. Wherever you listen to your podcast,
- [72:26]
Essie Cupp
Reese Witherspoon here checking into my favorite hotel in Paris.
- [72:30]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Bonjour.
- [72:31]
Essie Cupp
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Paul Verze
Phew.
- [72:46]
Essie Cupp
That was a lot. I need to lie down. Is the room ready?
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Norman Steele
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Mangesha Teagar
I'm Mangesha Teegular, and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive. This time, I talk to scientists, biopunks, curmudgeons, blue zoners, super seniors, and Goa's top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way.
- [73:14]
Paul Verze
I'd say probably start bone smashing.
- [73:16]
Mangesha Teagar
That doesn't work.
- [73:17]
Essie Cupp
To make it look more defined, they say it works.
- [73:19]
Matt Altmix
I don't know.
- [73:20]
Mangesha Teagar
Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live Forever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts when
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Essie Cupp
Democrats are messing up. I say it. When Republicans are messing up, I say it. I'm Essie Cupp, a journalist and political commentator, and and on my podcast off the Cup, I help you make sense of the often nonsensical news. I do this on cable news too, but on my podcast I can really let loose and be my honest, unfiltered self. I just want to talk about something that happened this week because it's so bonkers, so stupid, such incredibly bad politics. We have to talk about it. Come for the hot takes. Stay for the sanity. Listen to off the cup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Nora Jones and my podcast Playing along is back with more of my favorite musicians. Check out my newest episode with Finneas.
- [74:12]
Matt Altmix
So I went home and I asked
- [74:13]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
Billie if she wanted to sing it. She immediately made it her own thing.
- [74:18]
Norman Steele
You really know how to make me
- [74:20]
Aaron 'MC8' Tyler
cry when you give me those ocean eyes and I'm scared.
- [74:27]
Essie Cupp
So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing along on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.