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THROWBACK: Angie Stone On Being A Rap Pioneer, History of The Sequence, Coming 'Full Circle' + More
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Damien Hirst
Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here?
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Angie Stone
Ow. Go slower.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
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DJ Envy
The Breakfast Club Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne the Guy we are the Breakfast Club. We got special guests in the building.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Columbia, South Carolina's own Angie Stone, 803.
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Angie Stone
That rhymes. I like that.
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Charlamagne Tha God
How are you?
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Angie Stone
I'm good. I can't complain. You know, I've been blessed for a long time.
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Charlamagne Tha God
40 plus years in this business, you already know. Yeah. I don't think people realize that Angie's one of the pioneers of rap. The Sequence, your first female group to go gold.
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Angie Stone
Yeah. The first female group, period, to do an original rap record, to do a rap record that garnered the world. We had our neighborhood rappers, we had our New York City rappers, but Sequence was the world's rappers, and. And I think people get it twisted.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Funk it up was the song funk you up. Punk you up.
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Angie Stone
See, you got that mixed up with Bruno Mars. I ain't gonna go there, though. Didn't he sample it? Well, what he did, he did an interpolation of it. Oh. You know, like when he did it. Uptown funk it up. We gonna uptown funk it Funk you right on up we gonna funk you right on up. Same thing. He gotta pay. We getting paid no attention right now. But guess what? It's all great. Oh, my gosh.
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Charlamagne Tha God
You never thought of suing?
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Angie Stone
Yeah, well, my attorney went in and we tried to do some stuff. And of course, because it's three group members and I've been doing my thing for a minute, it kind of pulled the seams at who's with who and who's down with who. I just said, you know what? Let it rest. Because we're getting a lot of negative slack because a lot of people that don't know about the Sequence or that song, we get a lot of negative flack because they're like, that don't sound nothing like it. I'm like, they don't understand the interpolation process and how, you know, the reason we were upset because Bruno admitted that it was influenced by the sequence. Wow. And he did that on Instagram, and then somebody snatched it down.
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Blondie
Right. And people do interpolations, so they don't sample. So then they.
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Angie Stone
Well, Dr. Dre did keep your heads ringing. That was a direct rip from funk you up. They did. I mean, we wrote the song, we wrote the melody, wrote the chant, we added singing to hip hop, and now that everybody's doing it, it's okay. And I think it's wrong for them to try to overlook us. Cause we're from South Carolina.
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Charlamagne Tha God
That's right.
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Angie Stone
I mean, what'd they go with?
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Blondie
Right?
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Angie Stone
Nothing.
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Charlamagne Tha God
So y'all didn't get paid from Dr. Drean either?
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Angie Stone
Yes, we did get paid okay, okay, okay.
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Blondie
They did the right thing.
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Charlamagne Tha God
And Bruno admitted it.
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Angie Stone
Well, he admitted it.
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Charlamagne Tha God
He had kept that post up. Boy, you got paid.
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Blondie
But, you know, it's still there. Everything that's been on the Internet.
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Angie Stone
Well, the beauty of it is they admitted it. But the minute the elephant is brought out of the closet, everybody runs, because nobody wants to be labeled a thief. And we didn't say that. I'm very honored. And I got my girl Blondie from the sequence here. Just back up.
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DJ Envy
Snoop was so excited to see y'all. Snoop was so excited to see y'all.
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Angie Stone
Well, you know Snoop. I've worked with Snoop. He did. I want to thank you along with me and Jazzy Faye back in the day. But he wants me to work with his daughter, and he wants to work with my son. So we have a kindred spirit. And LA hip hop was reminiscent to sequence funk, the whole funk era. So I just think, overall, people need to respect the fact that it is what it is.
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Blondie
So both of your children are doing music?
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Angie Stone
Pardon me?
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Blondie
Both of your children are doing music?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yes.
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Angie Stone
Mm.
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Blondie
All right. I guess it's in the blood. Like, there was no getting around it.
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Angie Stone
Well, both my kids fathers, I was with. Course, you know, I was with D'Angelo, and then before that, I was with little Rodney C. From the Funky Four. Plus one more. So my daughter sings and my son raps. It kind of went this way.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Do you think? I think that you should be getting credit as a pioneer and female rap. Like, I don't think then y'all go gold.
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Angie Stone
We went gold. We were the first group to go. Go sell 12 inch records. That many 12 inch records, along with the Sugar Hill Gang, toured the world pretty much. We never get the recognition, of course, you know, that's probably platinum 10 times over by now, but we don't get the recognition because I think the New Yorkers got a little salty because, you know, we made it at the starting gates. I mean, it's like a race, a marathon race. You're doing a 4:40 relay. You pass the time, whoever you end up at the finish line, hey, it's fair game. You know what?
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DJ Envy
Nobody knows the story. Cause I'm a New Yorker and as deep in Miami as in hip hop.
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Angie Stone
Maybe.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I know because I'm from South Carolina. I have no clue.
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Angie Stone
You know, I really had no. I had no clue what funk you up.
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DJ Envy
No, I knew funk you up, but I didn't know that sequence. The Sequence was the first group that pretty much go gold as a girl.
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Angie Stone
But who did you think went gold first?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Salt and pepper.
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DJ Envy
Salt and pepper.
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Angie Stone
Ooh. And we were 10, what, 10, 15 years before them. There used to be a thing you probably wouldn't know to see in Cashbox, called Cashbox and Billboard. If you do your research, it's there. We were the first female group, hip hop group, period, to make Cash Box and Rolling Stone just did a big article on us because a lot of people that were back then, they knew why they getting any attention. And, you know, I just think it's sad because a lot of the females, hip hoppers, and I, trust me, I love them all. Big respect, props. But Lauryn Hill loves Angie Stone because it's reminiscent to what she did with her group, Rap Sing. And that's what we did.
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Blondie
And you guys are all still cool with each other?
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Angie Stone
Yeah.
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Blondie
That's good. So it was never like a falling out with the group. Broke up. Who with? Sequins?
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Angie Stone
Oh, no, you know, you. You girl group. You have. You have your Rat Pack moments. But we are sisters, right? And at the end of the day, we love each other. We look out for each other. We got each other. We don't always agree, of course. I mean, nobody always agrees. But I decided to leave the group early on because I moved to New York. I learned a lot of stuff about songwriting. I was a songwriter, and a brother named Craig Derry, who used to be with the Sugar Hill clique, said, you need to get out and go to New York. You're adventurous, blah, blah, blah. And I moved to New York and I learned a lot of stuff. Well, let's. Let's start.
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DJ Envy
I want to start because this is a history lesson for a lot of you, myself. So you signed to Sugar Hill Gang. How did you get signed? How did you. First of all, how did you get into hip hop? How did you get signed and how did you get your deal? Cause it wasn't like before, where. Now where it's Internet, it's tv, that's playing hip hop. Radio wasn't playing hip hop back then.
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Angie Stone
Right.
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DJ Envy
How did you get into it?
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Charlamagne Tha God
Especially coming from Columbia?
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Angie Stone
Yeah, coming from Columbia, South Carolina. We were 16, 17, 18 years old. We had a group that was doing rap back then. King Tim III was out and we wrote a song called Funk youk Up. I think Sylvia Robinson came to South Carolina. It was the first leg of the first Sugar Hill Gang tour. The first show, the first city. We happened to be in the concert. The road manager from Sugar Hill Gang saw me and thought I was this pretty chocolate chick. Hey, wanna come Back and say. And so I said, well, if you let me in, you gotta let my friends in.
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Blondie
That's right.
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Angie Stone
So we all came in, got backstage. Sylvia was backstage. We was literally on the stage, and we said, hey, we rap. And she said, well, let me hear.
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DJ Envy
What you got right there on the side of the stage.
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Angie Stone
On the side of the stage. And we went, funk you right on up. We're gonna funk you right up. And she flipped. She said, oh, my God. Oh, my God. The next thing I know, we were sitting in the dressing room giving out phone numbers. She says, I'm gonna make you girl star.
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Blondie
Yes.
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Angie Stone
Now, we had already been a group, I mean, and, you know, being a cheerleader, Sid Johnson, writing Cheers and creating stuff like that was what we did. And she called us the very next week.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
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Angie Stone
Flew us to New Jersey off our. You know, we was talent showbound, doing everything that everybody did, but just in South Carolina. And we cut the record. Funk you up. And a couple of weeks later. Thank you. Three weeks. The record went gold in three. Wow.
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Charlamagne Tha God
So was it a fair deal or was they. Did they take advantage of y'all?
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Angie Stone
Of course they took advantage.
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DJ Envy
Yeah.
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Blondie
Did you have a lawyer?
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Angie Stone
Well, we did have a lawyer, but he was a South Carolina lawyer. Okay. We thought we were doing the right thing. But you tried. You know, one thing I've learned in life is you have to have experience. Yes. Sylvia Robinson. I give her mad props because quite contrary to what a lot of people think, you know, when you're the first at anything, you're gonna make mistakes. So I lean heavily to that because she did something phenomenal that turned out to be great for a lot of people, but you had to have some crash test dummies, Right?
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Charlamagne Tha God
What has the stand power been like? Like transitioning from a hip hop artist to a R and B trio to a legendary soul singer, like.
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Blondie
And writer.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, writer.
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Angie Stone
Well, I'll tell you, the blessing for me. I'm a sag and I think out the box. One of the things I always hated was when I saw groups that were from the 50s and 60s, in the 70s and 80s, still in the same uniform, doing a old hit, I said, I never want that to be me. So what I did was I learned to be a chameleon. And I wanted to change with the times. So what I did was I kept myself around fresh hotness. And I learned everything in life is a learning process. The moment we think we know everything, we absolutely know nothing.
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DJ Envy
That's right.
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Angie Stone
So I learned to be a comedian and change with the times. So the staying power has been number one. My faith is unshakable in Christ. I love the Lord, and that's my rock, my salvation. So I decided when. When the music change, you change too. But you can't stray too far away from who you are.
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Charlamagne Tha God
But it seems like you're such a great singer that it's like I can't see you ever doing anything other. I can't believe you even used to rap.
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Angie Stone
Well, the beauty of that was when we got discovered as rappers, the one. The first question I asked Sylvie Robinson is, Ms. Robinson, is it okay if I sing too? Because I wanted to put a hook, you know, I wanted to sing. So when you see the hey, you say no, there's. I was begging to do that because I knew one day in life I wanted to sing from the church. So, I mean, I love rap, but I can sing too. So can we combine the two? And she's so excited about the rap, she said, oh, honey, do what you want to do.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
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Angie Stone
And that is what kind of set the segue up for me to make the transition from. After being 30 years old, you want to transition from hip hop to hooray. So I just went ahead and started singing and, you know, kind of juggling. Now when I did my deal with Arista, the one reason you don't know a lot about the hip hop is one of the things that Clive Davis and Peter Edge wanted to do was say, okay, look, we don't want to date you. I'm like, I'm still young. What are you talking about? Well, we don't want to talk about all that stuff at Sugar Hill. So they kind of gag ordered me not to talk about.
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Blondie
So they wanted to be just a brand new artist coming out.
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DJ Envy
Right, Got you.
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Angie Stone
And because I'm a singer now and they want to focus on that, and I'm like, I don't have a telescope into the future not knowing what it was going to be, how it's going to be. All I know is I'm in this game for survival. Gotcha.
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Charlamagne Tha God
So what happens when people recognize you? You pull up to a radio station.
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Angie Stone
You'Re like, hey, oh, I rap on stage all the time.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Okay, okay, okay.
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Blondie
Right. She just wasn't talking about it in interviews.
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Angie Stone
Like, I couldn't talk about it in interviews. Not that I didn't want to.
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Blondie
I never heard of anything like that that they put a gag on.
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DJ Envy
I didn't even know.
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Angie Stone
Well, I'm using that word gag. But when your boss tells you there.
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DJ Envy
Was a gag on. So who taught you how to make the music? Like how to do a 16 and do a hook and all that? Cause you said you were self taught.
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Damien Hirst
Wow.
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Angie Stone
I was hungry, I was thirsty, I was ambitious, and I went, I started. It's like now I'm developing film and, you know, reality shows and stuff. It's having that bug to say, I'm a rubber band. You can stretch me, but I won't pop. I'ma always do me. So you know that, you know, being a rapper is a life lesson for me. But it hurts when you've put over 40 years in the game and the people that are now eating off of the foundation that you created don't look back and say, yo, good looking. That's why Snoop shows us love. That's why Dr. Dre and them show us love. The people in LA embrace us. Because Yo yo can say, hey. MC Light can say, yo, hey. It's because of y'all that we're doing this. She thanked me. Yo yo thanked me. We got a show, our first show coming up with MC Light and Salt and Pepper, Angie Stone. I said, oh, you know, I got to bring girls. We can't just go like that. Routed in Philly. So that's coming up and I'm excited about that.
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DJ Envy
Now you said this new artist. I'm sorry, has any of the new yard artists thanked you?
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Charlamagne Tha God
City girls ain't never thank y'all.
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Angie Stone
No, they don't know.
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Blondie
Yeah, they don't.
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Angie Stone
You told them. You got beauty, right?
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Blondie
How you expect. How you expect other people to know?
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Angie Stone
But I promise you, they will know because I'm actually getting ready to do. Working on a biopic.
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Blondie
That's what I was going to ask you. I saw you said, is Jamie Foxx working on that too, or was that.
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Angie Stone
You know, Jamie and I were. Jamie wants to do another film with me, but Ralph Farquat is who I'm working with, who did Hollywood Husbands on the biopic. And we're gonna have to cross all these lanes. So I'm very excited about my journey and my career, my life. Coming from hip hop through neo soul, all the way up through my vertical whole days, and just having a bird's eye view, like, I'm gonna blow your mind. You ready for this? One of the things that I can't wait for the world to see is hip hop was in the Bronx before it ever came downtown. It was something in the Bronx. It was myself and Lil Rodney C that introduced hip hop to downtown. We did the first party of the show in the club that was called the Roxy. It used to be a skating rink. We made it into the club. It was Andre Harrell, myself with the sequence, the Funky four, plus one more, Africa Bambada. This was a show that my money paid for, made the flyers for, put together. And henceforth hip hop moved from uptown to downtown single handedly. And it never changed. Madonna used to serve us drinks at Danceateria. That's how real it gets. Dance, dance, dance. Okay, that was a club that she was a waitress at.
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Charlamagne Tha God
How do you remember her?
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Angie Stone
Because she served me drinks.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wow. And you remember like you, you.
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Angie Stone
She had that type of presence, a waitress. I was a performer there.
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DJ Envy
Wow.
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Blondie
Did she say, you know, I'm an aspiring singer also?
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Angie Stone
No, she didn't have to say that. She was working. She was just.
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Blondie
You know how sometimes people will do that?
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Angie Stone
They'll be like, but I'm just giving you shedding a little light on some stuff. Because a lot of people, when they disrespect the sequence, they disrespect the culture of hip hop because they don't even know how they got from uptown to. To downtown. And when you overlook the fact that, hey, Lerotta C. And Angie P. Booked this show, paid everybody for the show, and henceforth, the wild style movie, Fab 5 Freddy, he'll tell you all these people know. So when you overlook that, you overlook a movement. It's not just about the one song. Pump you up. You have to look at the legacy of what hip hop really stood for back then and the sacrifices that were made. And I can't wait for the story to be.
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DJ Envy
Yeah.
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Charlamagne Tha God
When I think of like Sugar Hill Gang, I'm like, there's no reason for anybody to ever mention Sugar Hill Records and not mention sequence.
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Angie Stone
Thank you.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. I don't understand why we were the Sugar Hill girl.
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Angie Stone
They called us that. But we wrote all their hits.
- [18:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, y'all wrote for the guys too.
- [18:06]
Angie Stone
Did you hear what I just said?
- [18:07]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yes, ma'am.
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Angie Stone
Yeah. Apache, 8th Wonder, all those songs we wrote those songs.
- [18:11]
Charlamagne Tha God
Really.
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Angie Stone
We were the West Street Mob. That. Less dance. I know you got the fever. That's the sequence.
- [18:18]
Charlamagne Tha God
Were y'all getting paid?
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Angie Stone
Yeah.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Good money or.
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Angie Stone
Okay.
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Blondie
Is the movie gonna be. Do you know where it's going to be? Is it gonna be on like a. Like a BET series or is it gonna be in the theater?
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Angie Stone
It will be. It will be. It won't be just one episode. It'll be a series, a mini series. That's what we're working on cause it spans too far. Talking about 1979 up until today.
- [18:41]
Blondie
Dang.
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Angie Stone
And just releasing an album that's already my single dropped and it went straight to number two.
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Blondie
Full circle, baby.
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Angie Stone
So it's a reason for everything. I think God preserved this time for us to get the story right. So you know, what advice would you.
- [18:59]
Charlamagne Tha God
Give to this musical generation? Because when I hear you talk, I'm saying to myself, man, it's almost like you always gotta constantly tell people what it is you do. Cause if not, they will forget.
- [19:07]
Angie Stone
Well, they will forget. I mean, because unfortunately the masterminds are.
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Angie Stone
We, in my opinion, have taken the love and the genuineness out of the livelihood of being, you know, an artist. Back when you had to work and enjoy touring and, you know, a lot of that stuff has been kind of cut out because it's like a fast track now to success and a lot of people are consumed with money. Back then we were having fun. You know, when you did a block party, you had fun, right? You know what I mean? When you went to the skating ring and you bounced rocks, you had fun. Now it's all business, business, business. And at the end of the day. So my advice to anybody doing this, man, take your time. It's like going through school. You wanna be a senior so bad, but the minute you graduate, I wish I was back in school.
- [23:34]
DJ Envy
Yeah, you gotta take it serious, though. Cause a lot of times we didn't look at business and we had fun.
- [23:41]
Angie Stone
You Absolutely.
- [23:41]
DJ Envy
And somebody else ate and we didn't.
- [23:43]
Angie Stone
Guess what? That's me. All day. But I'm still here to tell you that's me. But I'm here to tell you that I wouldn't change a thing because I had a great time. I had a great time. And sometimes you can't Compromise the monetary value of it for, you know, my daughter gave me a penny that had a hole in it, said, don't be so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.
- [24:07]
DJ Envy
That's right.
- [24:08]
Angie Stone
You know.
- [24:09]
Blondie
All right, so let's talk about your children and their respective father. So what was your. Your daughter's father? Right. Did you guys ever think you were gonna end up together, get married?
- [24:20]
Charlamagne Tha God
Is that D'Angelo?
- [24:21]
Angie Stone
No, my daughter's father's Lil Rodney C. Fund of Funky four plus One More. Did I ever think I fell in love with him? He was a good person. Still is a good person. He was a Leo. We were compatible.
- [24:31]
Blondie
You're very into science. You're like, I'm a sag.
- [24:33]
Angie Stone
He's. Yeah, because I, you know, energy. When we hooked up, when he came to Sugar Hill was, I think, after we had been on a couple of tours, Sylvia signed the Funky four plus One More. The young man that I was dating prior to becoming a celebrity died, tragic accident in high school. So I was in mourning. When we dropped Funky off, I was really grieving and touring. He came along with the group. We had so much fun. Just clicked. And I got pregnant with my daughter. And of course, from the Bible Belt, I, at that point realized, oh, my God, I can't be pregnant. I can't be pregnant, and I have a husband. So my mindset, the way I was taught back then, was, you can't have a baby out of wedlock.
- [25:20]
Blondie
Gotta get married.
- [25:21]
Angie Stone
Gotta get married. So I got married for that reason. Not because I didn't love him, because I did.
- [25:28]
DJ Envy
But you wasn't ready.
- [25:29]
Angie Stone
I'm an only child, so my mom and dad was gonna wring my neck if I didn't.
- [25:34]
Blondie
You were trying to do the right thing.
- [25:35]
Angie Stone
I was trying to do the right 23.
- [25:37]
Charlamagne Tha God
Wow. I mean, that shows how much respect we have for our parents and.
- [25:40]
Angie Stone
Oh, yeah, God, absolutely. So at that point, we did get married. We did get married. It didn't last long because it wasn't right. But at the end of the day, we did good business together because I have to shout him out as the person that taught me the ropes in the industry. Really? Yeah, he, you know, he was a part of Sugar Hill. Sugar Hill didn't like him. They didn't agree with him because he didn't take no mess. And it was like, you ain't finna take me to London and pay me the same thing I make in New York. So, you know, I started to learn the ropes to the game. I moved to New York because of that. And that's why I credit him for that. Because after learning what I learned about the industry, I could shape my life up a little different.
- [26:27]
Blondie
Then you had the highly publicized relationship with DeAngelo, and I told you I used to work for DeAngelo. So I was around when all of that was happening. You guys used to work together?
- [26:37]
Angie Stone
Well, you know what? Without giving a lot away, I was with DeAngelo four or five years prior to him becoming the Brown Sugar Man. So a lot of people don't know that. They just think it just was an overnight thing that happened. It wasn't that way. We were together for quite a while, and by the time we fell in love with each other, it wasn't anybody's business because nobody was checking for him.
- [26:57]
Charlamagne Tha God
There wasn't no blogs and all that stuff going on.
- [26:59]
Angie Stone
No, it wasn't all that stuff going on. By that time, we were head over heels in love. Like, what you gonna do? So, you know, you can't just start picking and plucking people apart because, oh, somebody gets a hit record. Because I think 10, 15 years prior to that, Funky up had dropped. I was already there. I was with Vertical Ho. I was already in the game as a celebrity. So by the time he was discovered, I was there already.
- [27:24]
Blondie
Right.
- [27:25]
Angie Stone
And so I was more of an asset than, you know, the way they try to make it look. Because at this point, like, if you take somebody who you're trying to get in the game and say, hey, I need you to hook up, it's like, right now, anybody connected to Beyonce gonna win.
- [27:39]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [27:40]
Angie Stone
You know, so if you're winning, you want to put people that you want to win with winning people. And I think that's where they kind of. I'm gonna use the word tick, you know? Cause the tick sucks the blood out of a situation. And I think the industry, the conglomerate of people kind of use that situation to kind of.
- [27:58]
Charlamagne Tha God
But you was already like, a couple. Couple solo albums in by the time you got with him, right? 1.
- [28:04]
Angie Stone
1. I had just done my first. I was with Vertical Ho when I got with him. I wasn't even in my solo career yet.
- [28:10]
Blondie
When did you guys fall in love? Because, like, you said, you had known him before Brown Sugar and everything.
- [28:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
You knew him before Abs?
- [28:16]
Angie Stone
No, before you guys knew him, I knew him, but it was just. It was chemistry. We worked in the studio, and as we were working, it just, you know, the same magic you heard that was being created was something that was being created that the creator created. I didn't do that. I didn't go, oh, oh, my God, I want you. No, it was never that.
- [28:41]
Blondie
I remember working for his management team, and they didn't like the fact that he was having a baby because they felt like it would take away from him as this sexy.
- [28:49]
Angie Stone
But you can't control God. I didn't make the baby by myself. He didn't make the baby by himself. Myself. You know, when people get. When that happens, it happens. You don't plan it. You don't. You know, you can't say, oh, tonight I'm gonna have a baby. You just don't do that. That's a part of God's plan. But, you know, I'm sure a lot of people don't like Idris Elva got married, but you can't stop his world.
- [29:13]
Blondie
They were so mad.
- [29:14]
Angie Stone
But I'm just making a point. People, you know, can't dictate your life. You can't dictate. And they might not have liked him having a baby. How did they know he didn't want a baby? It might have been something he wanted.
- [29:27]
Blondie
No, absolutely.
- [29:27]
Angie Stone
And my thing is, I think that people read way too much into, again, dollars and cents. Right? That all he was, a check for them.
- [29:36]
Blondie
Absolutely.
- [29:37]
Charlamagne Tha God
What about your label? How'd your label feel when you got pregnant?
- [29:38]
DJ Envy
How did the relationship end? Why did it go left? Let's see.
- [29:42]
Angie Stone
If I tell y'all that, you won't watch the movie.
- [29:44]
Blondie
Yes, we will. We want to see it play out. We read Bobby Brown's book and we.
- [29:48]
Angie Stone
Watched his movie just for the sake of being. Being cool. It's really about me. It's like anything. You put too much pressure on a situation. You take somebody who is, again, thirsty, hungry to be successful. And I don't know what they said behind closed doors. I don't know what they did. I don't know how they push buttons. I can only tell you a lot of stuff was done, but it wasn't a normal. It hurt us both to break up. And. And I can honestly tell you that it affected us, and it still affects my life, his life, my son's life is still. Those kind of moves hurt people. And at the end of the day, you're not happy because at. At the core, it's not what you.
- [30:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
So the industry broke y'all up?
- [30:38]
Angie Stone
I can't say that.
- [30:39]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah.
- [30:40]
Angie Stone
I can't say that without really going into. But I mean, you could tell me. You should be able to tell me. Do you think we broke up at all, do you think?
- [30:53]
Blondie
I know you didn't.
- [30:54]
Angie Stone
Okay.
- [30:55]
Charlamagne Tha God
How'd the label feel when you got pregnant?
- [30:56]
Angie Stone
Your label, they can't dictate my life because I'm a woman. It's like Lauryn Hill. She did Zion Shay. Y'all can't tell me I'm a woman. So at. Should I not have children because I have a record, or should, you know, you have to look at life and say, should I put everything that God has intended for me on hold to accommodate the people that are leeches? No. If you want what I got, you gotta take all of me. And that's just it. So, yes, I had two children, and if I could have had ten children, I would. I was an only child, so I love big family.
- [31:30]
Blondie
Right?
- [31:31]
Charlamagne Tha God
But I'm.
- [31:32]
Angie Stone
I did put myself on hold so that I wouldn't have all these babies because, you know, I wanted to work, I wanted to have a life.
- [31:38]
Charlamagne Tha God
Was it hard co parenting with Deangelo?
- [31:40]
Angie Stone
It's hard co parenting with anybody if you're not married, especially y'all.
- [31:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
Y'all both on tour all the time. Schedule's crazy.
- [31:47]
Angie Stone
All of us. Like I said, both my children's fathers are in the entertainment business, and it's harder for anybody who is not living together every day to co parent if you're both traveling. So at the end of the day, my husband is God. And the reason I say that is because that's who helped me sustain the life with my children.
- [32:10]
Blondie
Was there ever a time that you were disenchanted with this music business, having been in at such a young age, and said, I don't want to do this anymore.
- [32:17]
Angie Stone
Absolutely. Absolutely. I've quit four or five times. And people go, no, we need you. We need you. We need you. So, yes, disenchanted is the right word, I think, because I see the good, the bad, and the ugly, and because a lot of people that are in the, you know, the. The fans don't see the perimeter, and we see the perimeter. It makes you say, you have to pick and choose how you're going to use your gift. So I choose to use my gift in lyrics and positive messages and real messages so that the people that are listening from a heart space get it. So I can't really be consumed with, oh, they not recognizing me. Oh, they're not doing this because they didn't give me the gift.
- [33:05]
DJ Envy
And what happened with your daughter? You got an incident with your daughter. I know. That was publicized.
- [33:08]
Angie Stone
Everybody have incidents with their daughter. We. All right, that's my daughter.
- [33:13]
DJ Envy
But y'all do.
- [33:14]
Angie Stone
The beautiful thing is, when we were raised, and he could tell you this from south, our parents didn't play with us, okay? I used to get a straight in the corner, throw straight across the room at me, or a shoe or boot, whatever. Your mama could grab what they could grab. So the reality is, we were raised in a certain way, and disrespect is not tolerated. That's the fabric of who I am now. My daughter and my son, they can wear me out. I'm gonna still throw something at you if you make me mad, because that's not how we do. She have kids of her own now, and I have to get between her. Like, hey, wait. But it's called family. And the only reason it gets magnified to the 10th power is because inquiring minds want to know, if I didn't have a name, they wouldn't care. So. But my daughter's my. That's my heart.
- [34:14]
Charlamagne Tha God
And when you get beat as a kid, when you get older and, you know, the objects don't work no more, and you think you can raise up on your daddy, what you want to do exactly? The daughter raise up on her mama. Put them hands up, then. Let me see where you at.
- [34:25]
Angie Stone
Oh, yeah. Cause you can't. You can't come at me, want to fight me like a street person. And I. And I just get the bell. Oh, that ain't gonna work. Oh, we pulling up now. Now, that's my baby. She, you know.
- [34:39]
DJ Envy
But y'all good now.
- [34:40]
Angie Stone
Always.
- [34:41]
Blondie
So you think about making timeless music, right? Because you have songs that you've done so long ago that today still are relevant, and still people could listen to it like it's brand new.
- [34:50]
Angie Stone
But that's what I was talking about, you know, you have to know your purpose. And that's what I meant when I said creating music that meets the mind of people that it touches. Because, you know, when we're gifted with certain things, we're gifted for a purpose. And when we make ourselves more important than the purpose, we lose the gift. So I had to make sure that I didn't get consumed with everything that everybody else worries about in terms of, oh, you ain't working, like, a lot. I've never been invited to Black Girls Rock.
- [35:23]
Blondie
No, man, I'm shocked at that.
- [35:25]
Angie Stone
Never.
- [35:26]
DJ Envy
Wow.
- [35:27]
Charlamagne Tha God
Come on, now.
- [35:29]
Angie Stone
But I love Black girls rock.
- [35:30]
Charlamagne Tha God
Black girls rock. Come on, now. That's just ridiculous.
- [35:32]
Angie Stone
But I'm just saying, if I let little stuff like that stop me from rocking as a black girl, Then I've lost the purpose.
- [35:42]
Charlamagne Tha God
I'm about to hit Connie right now. That ain't even right.
- [35:44]
Blondie
I'm gonna tell Beverly Bond.
- [35:45]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, tell Beverly Bond from hell, man.
- [35:47]
Angie Stone
I'm only saying that because a lot of people come to me. You come to Black Girls Rock Race Girl. I said, oh, really? No, they haven't invited me, so that's crazy. I would never insert myself.
- [35:56]
DJ Envy
Are we gonna change that today?
- [35:57]
Angie Stone
This goes back to the way the industry shapes the situation because of another situation.
- [36:03]
Blondie
Well, let's talk about some other things, because you are developing reality shows, but you've also been on reality television, right? R and B divas.
- [36:11]
Angie Stone
Yes.
- [36:11]
Blondie
And so what was your experience like?
- [36:13]
Jess Hilarious
Cause they did.
- [36:13]
Blondie
It wasn't what I thought it was gonna be or what you thought it was gonna be.
- [36:16]
Angie Stone
Right.
- [36:16]
Blondie
We're thinking, Angie Stone's gonna come in. She's the voice of reason. She's the person that's going to.
- [36:22]
Angie Stone
Well, that's what they hired me for when I. When just the backstory to R and B divas. When. Before the show was created, I had created a show similar. So the same guy, Phil, who put the second show together was a person that I was working with to develop show. So same idea Faith had, I had and Nikki. And when they called me, said, yeah, we can all do it together. Okay. I thought I was gonna be a producer on that. And then when we addressed it, they said, well, we've already down contracts we've done. I said, okay, well, I want my father. I let go. I walked back because I realized it's crazy, right? So the second season, I got a call from TV one, and they said, hey, look, these girls are fighting too much. They're doing this, they're doing that. Angie, you. You know, we all love you. We respect you. We need you to get in here and try to smooth things out. So I said, okay, that's easy enough for me. So my purpose for being a part of the show was to make them focus on who they were as singers. Even though they had the cat fight stuff going on, my job was just to try to smooth it over.
- [37:35]
Blondie
Let's do some music.
- [37:36]
Angie Stone
Well, of course, it's reality tv, and I learned this the hard way. They turned that thing all the way around and, like, who you think you is, and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, this is. I'm old enough to know the difference, still young enough to make a difference. You need to chill. Learn something, okay? So it really ticked me off, because even though they didn't Know the ins and outs of my being there to smooth things out. They used to get upset when I say, well, let's sing something. Look, I'm trying to help y'all stay relevant. Let's sing something. People need to hear your voices in this capacity. But they. I think underneath it all, they trying to figure out why she's still doing this. And I sang better than her, and I'm not here and I'm not there. And I think that was the problem. They became a little bit envious of the fact that, well, who she thinks she's. I was their biggest threat. And as a result, I said, you know, I want a part to this.
- [38:35]
Blondie
Yeah. So you walked off during the reunion.
- [38:37]
Angie Stone
I walked off because once they started to manipulate and, you know, I was not comfortable with the lies of touring. And I'm like, look, I can't let you guys destroy my brand. I've been doing this almost 40 years at this point, so I'm not willing to throw my entire life away because you need five minutes of fame. So y'all got this. I'm good over here.
- [39:02]
Blondie
They were even trying to say that your husband slept with my husband. I mean, your boyfriend at the time or manager slept with somebody from the staff.
- [39:11]
Angie Stone
You know what? I really don't want to address that because he's fighting for his life right now, so I kind of don't want to go there. That's a very good friend of mine that I had some wonderful times with. And, yes, there's been a lot of rumors about a lot of things. And if you saw the show, then you saw it was very uncomfortable for us, but again, manipulative, and, you know, he just had a very, very bad motorcycle accident. Okay, been. Been down.
- [39:42]
Blondie
We'll pray for him.
- [39:43]
Angie Stone
Thank you. I don't want to go there.
- [39:45]
Charlamagne Tha God
Why'd you name the new album Full Circle?
- [39:48]
Angie Stone
Well, that's a great question. I dictate the success of my album based on the title. When I did Mahogany Soul, I went into this whole Mahogany vibe and Barushka lipstick and all this because I think that a song or a title of a song dictates the strength of it. Full Circle. I'm at a place where I've seen this industry do this, go round and round. It's the same old thing. And I wanted to get back to Angie Stone, the one that, when I started out, when I did Mahogany Soul, when I did Black Diamond, I wanted to say, okay, I've tried all these other things. Let me go back to me and Full Circle is the complete circle up, in my opinion, where I've come full circle. And I know who I am. I know whose I am. I know what I. I've survived.
- [40:34]
Blondie
Right.
- [40:35]
Angie Stone
If I walked away today, I can say I am a survivor. And full circle dictates that. The fact that we've got five stars out of five stars on everything across the board on this album proves that, you know, stay in power, whether it's 79 or 2019, it's who you are. You know what your purpose is. So I'm good.
- [40:55]
Blondie
You know what I noticed, too, about music? Sometimes when we go through the most tragic things, that's when the best songs come out of it. Do you feel like that's true for you?
- [41:03]
Angie Stone
I do. You know, just about two months ago, I was fighting for my life, and when a lot of people don't notice, but when the album dropped, I was just getting back to myself. And I realized at that point, you know what I'm saying now it's time to just make a life, enjoy this thing again, get back to the place where music matters. Because I think at some point, it's so much mess going on that music doesn't matter anymore. And I wanted to make some music that mattered. And this is the time in my life where I'm at my greatest. I think I've walked a powerful journey. That T shirt that she has on is about me and the men in my life. These are all the people that I ever did a duet with. And I've worked with almost every one of the artists of our generation.
- [41:59]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah, I see legends on there. I see Prince, Stevie Wonder, Snoop.
- [42:06]
DJ Envy
Oh, she got it right now.
- [42:08]
Angie Stone
Yeah.
- [42:08]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, I can't my eyesight.
- [42:10]
Angie Stone
So that's a specialty that I'm working on because not many people can say that. And I say, everybody's so worried about who Angie's dating. I said, let me put a straight. Me and the men in my life. I ain't dating all these guys, but I've worked with them all, you know, so I'm in a good space.
- [42:26]
Charlamagne Tha God
What was wrong with you two months ago? What was it? Oh, you don't want to say.
- [42:29]
Angie Stone
No, no, no. Well, I'm a diabetic, you know.
- [42:31]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, got you. Gotcha.
- [42:32]
Angie Stone
I've been, you know, dealing with that. I have a diabetic that was produced induced by prednisone, and I had a chemical spill at Presbyterian Hospital when I was 26 years old that exposed me to a germ and caused to diabetes. So because the medicine they had to give me. So when you guys saw me, yay big, it was the medicine. But a lot of people was like, oh, why are you with that big figure? I said, you don't know my story. So now that I'm completely healed and I ain't got my little swag back, ain't had no surgery, I ain't had nothing. But let the world tell it. She was this big fat girl. But again, you gotta watch the movie.
- [43:13]
DJ Envy
I can't wait to see this movie.
- [43:15]
Blondie
She is selling this movie right now. You gotta have to watch this movie.
- [43:18]
Charlamagne Tha God
Are you scared to have a Popeyes chicken sandwich?
- [43:19]
Angie Stone
Pardon me?
- [43:20]
Charlamagne Tha God
Are you scared to have a Popeyes chicken sandwich?
- [43:23]
Angie Stone
Oh, no, honey.
- [43:24]
Charlamagne Tha God
Okay.
- [43:25]
Angie Stone
I'm not scared. But I don't eat fried stuff like that. Never have. I don't eat like a bunch of junk food. Never have. But you can eat. But you have to eat right? You can't just.
- [43:38]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's hard coming from where you coming from.
- [43:40]
Angie Stone
No, but I cook. See, And I know how to season my food without using.
- [43:44]
Charlamagne Tha God
I heard that, you know, somebody said Angie Stone can cook her ass off.
- [43:48]
Angie Stone
I don't use all that stuff like a lot of people use a lot of heavy salt. You can use lemon and it tastes just like salt. You have got to just know now, we love to cook. Don't get me wrong, Oxtails cooked all of that now, but you don't have to eat unhealthy. You know, I think God has preserved me all this time because he knows my heart and he knows I'm gonna do right. So that don't mean I don't sneak every now and then and eat some pop ass chicken.
- [44:15]
Charlamagne Tha God
That's right.
- [44:16]
Blondie
Every now and then. Yeah.
- [44:17]
Charlamagne Tha God
Have you found somebody to play you yet for the biopic?
- [44:20]
Angie Stone
I got some ideas. I got some ideas. A couple of people that I really, really am interested in. I know one segment of Angie Stone.
- [44:28]
Blondie
Is your daughter got to be in it.
- [44:30]
Angie Stone
Of course. But the young lady that used to be Bernie Mac's daughter.
- [44:35]
Blondie
Okay.
- [44:36]
Charlamagne Tha God
Oh, yeah.
- [44:38]
DJ Envy
We appreciate you for joining us.
- [44:40]
Blondie
Yes, thank you.
- [44:42]
DJ Envy
Thank you.
- [44:42]
Angie Stone
Did you learn anything?
- [44:43]
DJ Envy
I learned a whole lot.
- [44:44]
Angie Stone
Okay.
- [44:44]
DJ Envy
I learned a whole lot.
- [44:45]
Blondie
Definitely. I've always wanted to meet you, so I'm glad I had an opportunity.
- [44:49]
Angie Stone
I'm glad. Mainly because, you know, the backstory to a lot of this stuff that I've been hating on for. For years. I think, you know, being involved with a sex symbol can be a blessing.
- [45:01]
Charlamagne Tha God
Yeah. My wife knows the feeling.
- [45:03]
Blondie
No, she does. I was like, who was she involved with?
- [45:06]
DJ Envy
But well, Angie Stone, thank you for joining us.
- [45:10]
John Cameron Mitchell
Thank you.
- [45:10]
DJ Envy
It's Angie Stone. It's the Breakfast Club. Good.
- [45:35]
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Angie Stone
How go slower.
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Jess Hilarious
Yo, what up? It's your girl Jess. Hilarious. And I think it's time to acknowledge that I'm not just a comedian. It's time to add uncertified therapist to my credentials. Because each and every Wednesday I'm fixing your mess on carefully Reckless on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Got problems in your relationship? Come to me. Your best friend acting shady? Come to me. Thought you was the father but you not come to me. I can't promise I won't judge you, but I can guarantee that I will help you. Listen to carefully Reckless on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.