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Tamika Mallory
The holidays are about spending time with your loved ones and creating magical memories that will last a lifetime. So whether it's family and friends you haven't seen in a while, or those who you see all the time, share holiday magic this season with an ice cold Coca Cola. Copyright 2024 the Coca Cola Company.
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Lennon Mallory
Life.
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Katora Heron
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Tamika Mallory
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Lennon Mallory
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Tamika Mallory
Experience the incredible true story as long.
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Lanita Baker
As I'm boxing, I'm gonna be okay.
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Tamika Mallory
Of Clarissa Shields My baby going to the Olympics.
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Lennon Mallory
Let's go.
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Tamika Mallory
Critics are calling the Fire Inside an inspirational knockout crowd pleaser.
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Lennon Mallory
If I'm in train for this gold medal, I'm gonna need exactly what the man get.
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Tamika Mallory
It's a monumental achievement.
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Katora Heron
I've been working my whole life.
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Tamika Mallory
It is the Fire Inside Based on the incredible True Story rated PG13. May be inappropriate for children under 13 only in theaters everywhere Christmas Day what's it like to get the new iPhone.
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Katora Heron
16 Pro with at and T Next up anytime. It's like when you first light up.
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Tamika Mallory
The grill and think about all the mouth watering possibilities.
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Katora Heron
Learn how to get the new iPhone.
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Tamika Mallory
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Katora Heron
Year with AT and T. Next up anytime. AT&T connecting changes everything. Apple Intelligence coming fall 2024 with Siri and device language set to US English. Some features and languages will be coming over the next year.
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Tamika Mallory
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Katora Heron
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Lennon Mallory
I'm Tameka D. Mallory, and it's your.
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Katora Heron
Boy, my son, the General.
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Lennon Mallory
We are your hosts of tmi.
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Katora Heron
Tameka and my son's information, truth, motivation and inspiration.
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Lennon Mallory
New name, new energy, but same old us. What's going on? My son, Lennon.
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Katora Heron
I'm blessed, black and highly favored. Tameka Mallory, how you doing today?
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Lennon Mallory
Doing okay. I'm a part of the black women who are resting. I'm not really resting because I've been working and busy and doing and going and planning and being involved in stuff, but I have not been forcing myself to think about what's next and a rally, a march, a thing. A thing. I just haven't. I just am not forcing myself to do that right now. I am a part of the 92%. I believe that black women have the instincts that God only himself could have placed in us to be able to be the birth hers of this nation. And I believe that our instinct and what we have in us is something that other people, you know, benefit from. And so since I'm in a 92%, while I feel sad about a lot of things that's happening, I really feel proud. I feel I'm in good company. I feel like I don't have to put a cape on and immediately return to the battlefield. It's the holiday season, and I feel like we as black women deserve an opportunity to sit, exhale, breathe, take in one another's love and affection and just not have to go kill myself stressed.
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Katora Heron
Out about work as you should enjoy yourself. You know, like you said, you part of 92%. I think, unfortunately for me, I just feel like there's a lot of things that black men are doing. So I've been. I've been just really organizing in my mind. I haven't physically went out and did a lot of things, but I've been really just strategizing and organizing and pretty much like, I want to start, like, pretty much right after the holidays, just really implementing a lot of things that I think are needed and necessary in this moment for black men, especially black men, young black men. Just the, you know, the. The what. What I say, the. The tide of the world, just the energy of the world. Just a feeling. And I just feel like it's very much a time to start strategizing and organizing with young black men.
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Lennon Mallory
Yeah, I mean, the time has always been. And I've said to you many times that, you know, as a woman, I know that we are. We are. We are blessed, very blessed to have the connections and the relationships among one another. You know, that. Not to say that men, and black men particularly, don't have relationships, but there's just something different about the ways in which black women show up for one another. And I think something. I think a part of our enslavement and what has happened to us fostered certain things. So, you know, men, African men, who were being forced into enslavement and then, of course, going through chattel slavery, certainly the idea that you are now responsible for your community and unable to protect your community at the same time has to be something that has created a psychological backlash. I think that backlash, a part of the protection has been trying to maintain position and feeling of power and a feeling of being able to protect, because that has been stripped in so many ways from you all, in so many ways. And it continues beyond enslavement, beyond all that we went through then, even now, you still see that. And I know that it is important. I think anyone whose lineage includes enslavement needs a certain level of therapy, a certain level of. Of. Of, Of. Of a community of coming together to understand a lot of how we're still responding to life based upon, you know, what we have been through. You, even in your song where you're talking about the Willie lynch letter, you acknowledge that people say the letter may not be real, but the effects of what is in that letter is significant. It's significant, and I see it every day. I see it in young black men that I deal with. And I think that the most important thing we can be doing for the next four years, while being outside and protesting and bringing awareness and all of that is going to be incredibly important. I still believe that one of the fundamental things that we have to engage in is community building that is not public for the world to see. Right? Like, that's got to be something that we do. So I support you 100%.
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Katora Heron
Yeah, it's definitely time. So that's what I've been, you know, just focusing on and trying to get into, you know, and just trying to stay abreast of what's going on, trying to take it light, you know, because everything has been so heavy and dark and, you know, so trying to have light conversations, enjoy life, you know, listen to music, watch the Internet. There's a couple things that I've been focusing on that really has been bringing me joy. Like, I actually like Casa. Not right. I've been watching him. He's. He's a young kid and he just enjoys life and a lot of people go, he has all these stars on his live stream and he's been doing like, I think he's doing like a 30 day live stream. So he's, the other day he had Snoop Dogg on there, you know he had Chris Brown on there. And everybody is just enjoying itself. Like it's young kids, the young in their 20s, they're having fun, they talk about good things and, and, and, and I love that. Like, you know, so that why he.
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Lennon Mallory
Was on the shower, in the shower.
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Katora Heron
The other day because he's done straight they for 30 days straight. Everything he does is going to be on live stream. So it's in the shower, everything like all his. So you can go, you can click on his live stream right now and he's on the live stream as we speak doing whatever. So you know, I've really been enjoying that just watching him be and he's, he's, he's enjoying life. You know, it's like I wouldn't do it. It reminds me of like the Truman show kind of if you ever seen the movie the Truman show with Jim Carrey, like his thing reminds me of the Truman show. But his real life is actually his real life in the Truman Show. Truman was the only person that didn't know that he was on tv. They raised him from a little kid inside the tv.
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Lennon Mallory
Oh yeah, I think I remember that.
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Katora Heron
Oh yeah. So they built the whole life around him. Yeah, they built the whole.
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Lennon Mallory
I wanted to say I'm not as old as you.
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Katora Heron
His whole life inside this tv. So. But when I'm watching this, it's very entertaining and. But there was one thing in it that kind of, that made me, that resonated with me because you, you watch him in all his moments. So he's in the store and this is just probably today he's in the store, he's buying shoes and there's about 100 pairs of sneakers on, on the couch. So he walks by and he's looking, he's like, well who put all of this stuff? Like I ain't put all this stuff here. So the lady's like, well people just putting stuff up here. So he's with his friends or whatever. So he's like, yo, just ask. He said, I don't mind paying for it, but just ask. Like he ain't saying it. So he's just saying it to the chat as they listening. Just ask. He said I would never do nothing like that. I just wouldn't go, I would ask and. And it resonates because when you get to a certain level or just when people think you at a certain level, there's a level of entitlement, right? Think, yo, yo, you got it, yo, you should do it. And it's not that I shouldn't do it or I wouldn't do it. I wanted to feel like you don't you. You're not taking advantage of me. And he said. He said these little things. This how people go broke and be little stuff like that. And it shows that he's a sharp young man. You know what I'm saying? It's like this how people go broke. It be little things like this, and you ain't saying nothing about it. Next thing you know, there 100,000 gone. People just start taking for granted that they don't have to ask you for things and they just could take things from you. And it just. And it's. And it's the mind state. We live in an entitlement era. Like, people feel entitled to things. Like, I have conversations with people and I see so many different things. People don't even say thank you no more. Like, you know, family, friends, whatever. You do things for people, and it's not that you. You. You want them to feel like they in debt, but you just want somebody to say thank you because that's what you would do. I would do say thank you about you did something for me. I want you to feel like I acknowledge and I understand that you don't have to do something for me, you know, and we just. In such a time. So it was, it was. It resonated with me because I see it happen. I've experienced it, I've gone through it a lot, but it resonated to see a young boy just understand that he's in his 20s, and he understood, like, just ask me. He just like, well, we got it. We just gonna do this because he understands paying attention. He's a student of life. He sees what. How people have failed. He's seeing how people have won. You know, the fact that he brings a lot of different artists and people who have made it on his show, they probably giving him advice and he's taking it. So, yeah, just. It just resonated with me because so much negativity on the Internet, so many of these people just pumping crap just to see some. A young boy having fun and who's in tune and smart and actually understands life, you know, it's just. It's a breath of fresh air.
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Lennon Mallory
You Know what I like Kasane. I met his sister and his mother, and he comes from good stock. He comes from a good family. At least from what I saw of them. They look beautiful people. His sister is very funny and very kind. His mother was really kind. And I, I, you know, I think he's a good kid. I do think that when you put so much of your personal business in the world, people will think that they can take advantage of you because they know too much about what you have. And that's just the nature of human beings. And sometimes people don't even know how to ask because they haven't been they. No home training. Home train. It goes very much to what we was talking about originally. This idea that, you know, we all. And this is not a black man or whatever thing. This is all people. Home training is very important. When I was raised, you couldn't ask nobody for a thing. If I came home with something that somebody gave me, my parents would lose it. You're not allowed to have nothing. You're not allowed to have anything. Where did you get that from? Who gave it to you? Why they give it to you? Go back, take it. Well, so and so. Mother said I could have it. I. This mother. Your mother said you can't have it. Take it back. Not a shirt, not a shoe. They can't buy you nothing. I mean, really. And it's funny because I'm the complete opposite. I'm always giving and doing and whatever. Perhaps some of it has to do with that. But I tell you one thing, I do not have expectations that anybody's going to give me anything. But that brings me to my thought of the day today. My thought of the day today is really kind of like a question. I'm wondering if people have decided to throw their hands up as it relates to police violence and they just over it, like, that's it. You know, we just. It is what it is. We've accepted that the police can kill us and then probably, probably, probably will be not much to come of it. We can be abused in our communities, pulled over, profiled, in some cases, sexually assaulted. We know what we're dealing with in Kansas City, Kansas, where this officer was sexually assaulting women for years, for 30 years, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And so therefore, we have sort of decided to relinquish our fight and our efforts in that area and just move on to financial matters. And maybe there are people who really, truly believe, which I do believe in some ways, that the more economic development and economic growth that we have in our communities, then we will have less of a need for law enforcement. But what I always go back to is how we have watched communities be extremely economically sound, especially black communities like Rosewood in Jacksonville, Florida, or Tulsa, Oklahoma, where the fact that we would even get together and try to have our own economic engines, that pisses them off, too. And they find a way to physically, by fire, blow it up. Not blow it up as in set the leaders up and whatever. I'm talking no conspiracy theory. We talking about physical fire is burning. And I'm wondering the reason why I'm asking this question around. Have people just decided police violence, that's one we can't win, we're moving on from it is because I'm not sure how you have or how you, as a black man especially, but black people in general, some of them are so excited about Trump and his presidency, knowing that this is a man who does not believe at all that policing should have controls that held people accountable for harming black and brown folks. We know that because he said it so many times. I'm not debating it with anybody.
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Katora Heron
We know, we lived through administration where he showed it.
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Lennon Mallory
Right. So we know it. So that's that. Right. And I'm not asking this question to focus so much in on Trump, but I'm just thinking about the whole pie, because here last week, the police went into a man's house. Brandon Durham, our brother, Lee Merritt, the attorney, is the attorney for the family. And then you have Minister Stretch from Las Vegas, who is our guy, who is there working to mobilize the local community. And even he said, getting people really active and engaged and, you know, make. Getting people to show up, it's not as easy as. Not even as easy. People are not as enthusiastic about being out there to push back against the system. Then you have folks that we're going to have on a show later on who are dealing with trying to force the city of Louisville to sign a consent decree with this particular administration, this Department of Justice, to deal with a list of things that the Department of Justice found when they investigated the police department for all types of abuse of power. Right. And so you got that happening on one hand. And then on the other hand, it seems that there are people who are like, don't worry about it, or I don't know what they feel. And maybe I don't have the answer. So I'm hoping that in the comment section we're going to get some answers from folks on where do they stand with that Because Brandon Durham, which I was about to say in Las Vegas, calls the police because there's an intruder in his home while he and his 15 year old daughter in the house. And he they tell them the description of the person who's in the house when the police officer came, he being the man in the house, the man who the house belongs to is fighting off a woman who is in the clothes with the description that has been reported. He is in the clothes or she is, she was in a red outfit which is what was reported on the call when police help was was asked, was requested. When the police got there, they shot him the man who else it is they killed Brandon Durham instead of the woman. So you know, like I said, I really want people to just tell me have they decided that police violence. Because here's my real question because I know that the Trump supporters and the black people who tell us that we out of our mind, you know, we just doing boogeyman those people. I want to know what did Brandon Durham because that's what they're going to do. They always come as a. Well, Breonna Taylor was with a guy and he was this, he was a drug dealer and then George Floyd he just had something, some, I don't know, a fake 20 whatever nonsense things they come up. They have an excuse for every single situation. So what are they going to say about Brandon Durham? What did he do? He was in his house and he reported the person who was in there and gave a description of what the person was wearing and the police came there and shot him to death. Now under Trump presidency his position is which we know that cops should have full immunity from prosecution. Mistakes happen, issues happen while they're out there working. But they should be able to do their jobs and they should not have to worry about people like you and me making a thing of it. So I'm just, I, I just, I really want people to let me know where we at.
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Katora Heron
I, I believe that, you know, after, after the George Floyd era the powers that be worked very hard to get people to not recognize any black issues. You know, they, they made black lives matter a curse word. They may de a curse word. You know they made all everything that had to woke is a curse word. You know, all the things that had the whole world paying attention to the injustices that black people were dealing with. The people that said wow, these black people really dinner all of those things that led to that, that the, the slogans and everything that was attached to that has now in oh in less than 2, 3 years has turned into curse words, right? So this is. This was very intentional. It's very active, you know, and they. They're not going to allow black people to continue to, you know, they're not gonna allow black people to continue to be able to evolve and to grow and get justice and equity in America. So this is very intentional. You know, they keep drilling the same things in your head. You have black people who try to tell you, you know, that DEI is a bad thing and being woke is a bad thing, and black lives matters. Oh, don't say nobody want to hear that Black lives matter. Why do black people need to do this? And why does somebody have to have black people?
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Lennon Mallory
So.
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Katora Heron
Because you don't need nobody culturally competent to understand what's going on with black people issues. We don't need an administration that includes us. We don't need a world that includes us and sees the value in black people, especially when you have to deal with the issues that black people. So when we talk about black people getting killed, police killing us, they. They have numbed us to it. They made it seem like that's not a big thing. No, no, nobody cares about that. Y'all just victim. You know what you are? We have victimhood because we should just be okay with being shot. We should be. No, really, because that's what people tell you when you talk about, hey, police should have no, just victimhood. Nobody want to hear that. And they. They quickly dismiss it. And they've got some of us to actually buy into that. So what I'm saying is I'm not surprised. But, you know, I'm also understand that that's. That's why we are here, unfortunately.
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Lennon Mallory
That was deep, my son. That's why we're here.
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Katora Heron
This is because when I sit there and I listen to it, my soul is not okay with that. No matter how many people I consider room with 1 million people trying to tell me just forget about it. And it's not that serious. And my soul is not okay with that. Because I understand. So I understand. What it is that I was called here to do is to fight for my people. Doing regard even despite of my people. I'ma fight for my people. So that's the reality we dealing with. You know, unfortunately, then we don't see the people that care. But we know that people care because there are people that hit us and tell us every day, you know, please keep fighting. Don't let these people stop you from fighting. Because sometimes you get. You get weary. You'd be like, man, what the am I fighting? And I realize I say that all the time. That's what happened to a lot of our leaders that you quote unquote, quote sellers.
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Lennon Mallory
Because you know, people, people have told you directly that I with you, but I can't do it anymore.
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Katora Heron
I can't do it anymore. You know, and that's what happens. So it, you know, it is, it is a, it is a hard fight. It is not one. When we look at even Dr. King, we celebrate Dr. King now, but the same people celebrate him now. Called them names, they called him Coon, they called him sellout. Malcolm X was public enemy number. Like these are real things. So when you look at the reality, the same people that we celebrate that fought for us had their own people turned against them because it was times just like this. So, you know, we have to understand the moment we in, there are going to be people that just act like what we talking about. It don't even matter. All they, they gonna keep talking about bread and eggs. They're gonna tell you some shit about bread and eggs. And they don't care that Jojo gonna get shot by the police, you know, because bread and eggs. Cuz somebody told them that bread cost more. Eggs cost more.
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Lennon Mallory
No, not.
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Katora Heron
No.
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Lennon Mallory
So someone didn't tell them that no cost more.
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Katora Heron
And eggs. I'm not saying bread and eggs, but that ain't, that's not the major thing. Bread and eggs. Because you got to be alive to eat bread and eggs. And I'm just, for me, I'm just. Everybody has their own issue. Like for me, I'd rather pay more for bread and eggs than. And make sure that my, that my family is safe, that there are laws in place, then we go. If I got to work a little harder for some bread and eggs, so I don't put them, so I don't put people that are intentionally trying to roll back my civil rights and take away the, the rights that God gave me in position. It's. It's like this is the, this is the classic trick of every white supremacy administration and white supremacy government. They do the same. They make you focus on the, that don't matter. And then you do.
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Lennon Mallory
And I feel like it's a white supremacist government.
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Katora Heron
I believe it's a white supremacy strategy because I say it all the time. I say all the time. Like there's this clip that I put up every year. It's from the movie Trick, baby. And it's, it's actually liberals and it's Republicans and he Was talking about the difference. And the Republicans say, you give them jobs and you give them this. And they say, yeah, we give them jobs because if we leave one of them in the ghetto with energy, he can rise the rest of the people up. So what we do is we, we rise them up, we give them power. And when we give them power, their own people turn on them because they think they did with us. So what we do is we neutralize it. So we constantly neutralizing our people, never giving them an opportunity. Because everybody that's here to fight for us, we. We fighting against the wrong thing. So what they do is they give you money. They tell you, here, we got. You want some money, get a couple dollars. And people say, that's what I'm out. I'm here for God. No, that is never nothing. The Bible says money is the root of all evil. So when we keep talking about that finances is. It doesn't, it doesn't equate to what the actual reality of what equity and justice is and what unity is. It's never going to equate to that. I don't give how many times you see it. Anybody could tell you, I know people, people that got money, all a bunch of money, are not happy. Right? So that's not my focus.
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Lennon Mallory
Yeah, I, I hear that, and I appreciate that you are that this is who you are, but I just don't agree. I think that I am more likely to encounter prices, inflated cost for gas, food, and other expenses than I am to encounter a police officer who may take my life. That happens rarely. Too often. Too often for sure. But it is a rarity for most people. But every single week they have to go buy eggs, bread, whatever. So I believe that both things matter and they're both equally important because I have to be able to survive. I need to make sure that I'm not in a situation where I'm so financially deprived that my family members or even I end up out there in the street doing something I have no business doing, trying to make money.
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Katora Heron
You know what it is? And I'm not saying you're wrong. And I, and I, and I, and I understand you're. You're 100, correct. Right. I think for me, I think I'm at a different stage of understanding where we are. Right? And when you watch, there's a strategy that's being taken and it's. And it's constantly been taken, and I see it, right? It's like Elon Musk is in position of power, right? The stock market for Tesla and all that shit is going to go up and people going to invest their money in it and they're going to make a couple dollars and Elon Musk is going to take control of shit that is going to negatively impact 90% of us. Right? But there's going to be 20 to 30,000 people that feel like they, they, they made something off of it. But in it, ultimately, that man is going to impact us in the worst way ever. And we think that we benefit off it.
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Lennon Mallory
Will agree with you about that, but.
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Katora Heron
That'S what I'm saying. I know you don't, but I understand.
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Lennon Mallory
I didn't say I don't. I said I don't think. I don't know.
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Katora Heron
I know they won't because they don't understand. It's not, it's not a. It's not. It's like a. It's like me, right? It's like me living in, in Beverly Hills and I'm like, we doing good, but 95 of us ain't. So I can sit there. If I'm sitting there and I'm doing good and 10 of us is good and we, and we able to sit at the table and we still only have the 2% of the wealth that we've been having for 100 years. We not doing anything. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's fool's goal. It's a false sense of reality. We represent 13 to 14% of the population and only 2% of us are counted in the wealth in America. That's what I'm trying. They know that we're not increasing at all. They're constantly increasing and growing their numbers of the wealth gap. When you look at the wealth gap, they say by 2035, we will be at zero. The median household for Black people will be zero. This is what I'm trying to tell you. We're dealing with fool's gold and we keep thinking it's not. I don't have to. It's not about what I think. I'm telling you this. What the numbers are saying. This is. The numbers are showing. If you, if you look at the, the average wealth from 1930, something to now, we only represented 2% of the wealth. And you look at now, we only represent 2% of the wealth. The median household is going down every time. And then people saying, look, I'm getting money, I'm getting money, I'm getting money.
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Lennon Mallory
People believe, people believe that maybe, maybe under Trump it's gonna be different.
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Katora Heron
But what I'm trying to tell you, you said maybe you had a pandemic.
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Lennon Mallory
I'm telling you what I've heard, but.
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Katora Heron
I'm just, I'm telling you the facts. I'm not. I'm telling you the things that you could. When you, when you look up the numbers and you do the real.
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Lennon Mallory
I know, I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying that there are people out here that believe that under Donald Trump, it might be something different.
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Katora Heron
Okay?
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Lennon Mallory
As the first term he had a pandemic, he wasn't able to accomplish the things that he wanted to do. I'm just telling you what I've heard. I'm saying that I don't believe any of it. I think that we're going to see the effects of his presidency in about two years, and I think it's going to be. I think that we're going to see the impact of his presidency in about two years, but I think we're going to know even more in the next presidency. So whoever else becomes elected in four years, that's how we're going to know what his policies, the damage that his policies have caused.
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Katora Heron
Not going to really know. You want me to tell you why? Because what happens is at this point, what they've done is disenfranchise black people. We have a black movement that is so fractured that they don't even know what the next step is. So the next person that comes that, that feels like he has to leave, he's going to sit figured that the motto that he has to follow is like Donald Trump. Right? We was built. We were literally building. When we look at what we were building when we went to the DNC and you looked at all of the black people and you seen the levels of black power and black influence and black, all of that, the next person is going to feel like they have to move away from that because this is what, this is what America is telling you. They don't want that. They don't want woke. They don't want black power. They don't want all of these things. So I don't think the next person is going to go into the position saying, you know what?
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Lennon Mallory
I think they will.
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Katora Heron
I don't, I don't see it. I don't see where they feel like. If you look at what they're saying, they saying that that strategy failed. They, America does not want to be unified. America doesn't believe that. I'm just trying to, I'm telling, I don't, I don't see somebody, I don't see America. I don't see no party getting behind somebody that's trying to push the same values that they, that this is probably the word. Every swing state, they've, they're saying there's a shellacking, there's no, no, no common sense person because that's what they, they forced us to believe. There's nobody that's going to invest their money and their time inside a strategy that they already seen fail. And unless something change, unless there's something that shifts the tide of America, unless.
- [33:18]
Lennon Mallory
They speak, this is, see, this is where, this is where my thought process departs from a lot of people. Because what I believe is that we will begin to see, like I said, in about two years, the impact of this presidency. And it's actually going to force us into a movement back into a space where people are going to realize they can't even get elected if they are that other thing. That's what I believe is going to happen. I believe that they're going to want to get so far away from that other thing. Because, for instance, when Donald Trump was president, he got upset with New York for not whatever, whatever something he wanted people in New York to do and the legislators he had said no. And next thing you know, he took away our ability to have global entry coming into the country that impacts people who have money. Right? And so people who have money and, or people who are well traveled, people who understand clear and all those programs and, and, and, and being a known traveler, they're the ones that's impacted by that. They didn't like it. They didn't like it. But you also had four years of Joe Biden in between. So now when you circle the block to him, back to his shenanigans of his thinking that he can punish people, his vindictive nature, that is going to make people turned off. I know it is. I just wait for the day for it all to happen. But anyway, I mean, they went all around into 15 different directions, but I think it's all great conversation. But none of us can predict. All we can do is because we've already predicted, we, we didn't predict, we forecasted what is to come. And now it will either be that we're wrong, which I agree. One, Charlemagne said something the other day. I don't want Donald Trump to fail. I literally don't, because his failure is the failure of our people. I want the Lord to come into his heart and his mind and say, hey, you got to do better. You can't be that person. Do I believe that that will happen? No. But that's what I want. I want his party, the Republican Party, to look at him and say, if we allow you to take us down this path, we're never going to be able to win an election again, or at least for a long time. We're going to lose in the midterms.
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Katora Heron
I don't understand how you're saying that. Where they voted for that, they voted for that twice. Tanika. What I'm trying to tell you is America.
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Lennon Mallory
They did not. They did not.
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Tamika Mallory
Okay.
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Lennon Mallory
They did not.
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Katora Heron
Okay.
- [36:09]
Lennon Mallory
What you have in this election is a lack of voter participation. So when you have a people that feel ignited, they could beat Donald Trump, but they stayed home. Fifteen million people, if what they're telling us is true. Because I don't believe shit. Because as long as Elon Musk is involved, I don't know what they did. I have no idea. But let's just go with the. It is what it is. The rules are the rules. So if that's what happened and 15 million people came home, that stayed home, those people are part of the reason why we lost the election. So what I'm saying is that as people go and continue to move, we already know that more than half of America is racist and or trying to be connected to white people because they think white power and white men is how they will get their Handmaid's tail access to their own power. We already know that. We got that. But at the end of the day, when you really kind of crunch it all down, most of the people who didn't vote are people who just said, I know I'm not gonna vote for Donald Trump, but I can't support Gaza. I'm broke, I'm stressed, I'm struggling, and I can't be involved in that. I don't like Joe Biden. I'm not voting for a woman. So you have all those people. I'm not voting for a black person, a black woman. You have all those people that, if activated, could be and put themselves in a position or could have put us in a position to win in two years during the midterms. Because if things are too out of control, that's when you'll see it. Where people, their own legislators, they're going to play. Wait a minute, Wait a minute. So you with this. Oh, we don't. We don't want you. Hey, who. What do I know?
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Katora Heron
Listen, we'll see. That's all I see. We'll see. So that brings me to my music spotlight today. You know, it's pretty much easy. You know, Kendrick dropped an album out of nowhere at 6, 7, 8 o'clock in the morning that just, you know, tore the whole charts up and tourists, the whole music world up. And I, you know, I was. I had the luxury of driving my son to soccer this weekend. And it was about a two hour ride both ways, so that was about four hours of me driving. So I listened to it over and over and I just got in tune with it. And I think one of my favorite tracks on there is where he took a Tupac like beat. And it was. It was. He had this energy of Tupac. And it's called Reincarnated. And I'm trying to figure. I didn't really. I'm listening to. And he's talking about two different artists. I think one of them is Billie Holiday. I'm almost sure that the woman he was talking about is Billie Holiday. And I thought it was Jimi Hendrix, the first. I don't know, but it's somebody that played the guitar. I don't know exactly. It was Jimi Hendrix or somebody else. But I gotta listen again because I gotta get the dates on when it was. But he's talking about these people being reincarnated, coming back as him. And then he has a conversation at the end with God, you know, and God is talking to him like, I sent you Here these D3 different ways, you know, so you can get it right. And then he's like, but you still. You two. You two consume with war. Like, you say you want peace, but you consume war. He said, well, I'm trying to unite my people and I'm trying to unite the West. I'm doing all this. But you won't. You, you, you. You hold these grudges and you fight wars all the time. When are you going? When are you gonna let that go? When are you gonna let that energy go? And it's like he's fighting with himself and God. Like, it's. It's such a dope song, you know what I'm saying? It's one of those songs that. It just shows the creativity of Kendrick Lamar. And what I respect about him is that he. He pushes the envelope, you know, and he does things that are different. So I would ask anybody, if you listen to the album, just really listen to Reincarnated. Don't just listen to it because it got that, you know, that. That vibe, that. That Tupac vibe. But just listen to the lyrics and listen to what he's Saying I haven't.
- [40:05]
Lennon Mallory
Had a chance to look listen to the album at all, but all of my music finishados. That's how you say it, I think so that my people who love music, they seem. Y'all seem to be into it. So with that being said, I'm sure I will.
- [40:24]
Katora Heron
It's a body of work. It's one of those bodies of work you, you know, that's what I love about Kendrick. He doesn't just drop music and that you could just buy. It's a body of work. Like each song does something different to you, but it still tells like a story and it gives you a mind frame. Puts you in a mind frame and understanding and it actually makes you. If you're a creative, you're an artist, it makes you push yourself. Like just listening to the album, it gave me just ideas of my own. Things they were far from his, but it just pushed me to think about different things. So it gets you push you in a creative mind state.
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Lennon Mallory
That's great. Kendrick Lamar.
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Katora Heron
Kendrick Lamar.
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Lennon Mallory
Seek terms and conditions. All right, let's get into our guest. This is going to be a panel that I'm quite excited about today. We have several people on to talk about an issue that should matter to folks all over the country. I often say we need a consent decree on America for many things. And I want to talk more about what a consent decree is with the next group of people that's coming up. So let's have our panel. It's so good to have y'all with us, it feels like home. Like, we need to do it more often so we can see y'all's faces and continue to be in community together. I think. I just think that it is important to state that from the day we met four years ago, which, you know, by the time I met Katora, I was apologizing off the back for a big boo boo that I made. But nonetheless, we have continued to support one another every single step of the way. I think what came out of our connection through Breonna Taylor, the tragic and unfortunate death of Breonna Taylor is such an example that can be studied by movements and people across the country that while we face conflict, we face drama, trauma, and your mama, everything you could think of. Still, through every step of the way, outsiders to Louisville came together with the local community and continued to support one another. And I just think that's just so good. So I'm happy to have y'all with us today. So we. We are looking at the beautiful faces of Kentucky State Representative Ketorah Haran, and also attorney at law, our dear sister, Lanita Baker, who has her own law firm, which is called Baker Injury Law. So if you out there in the Louisville or Kentucky area or how many other places can you practice? Georgia, Kentucky and Georgia, Kentucky and Georgia, and you have any type of injury law. What's that called?
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Carl
Personal injury. So you slip and fall somewhere, you get hit by a truck, a car, anything, you know, medical negligence, nursing home, any.
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Lennon Mallory
Anybody injured, that's your girl to call. Attorney Lanita Baker. Thank y'all for joining us.
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Carl
Thank you. And that's soon to be Senator Aaron. You know, she.
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Lennon Mallory
Yeah, exactly. Come on, now. Ketorah took off and has not stopped yet. So I'm sure that soon you'll be in Washington, D.C. being, you know, Congresswoman Ketorah Haran. It's coming. I'm not even worried about it.
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Katora Heron
That's right.
- [47:15]
Lanita Baker
We'll see what happens. Politics is a lot, you know, and so we'll see. See what God has in store.
- [47:25]
Lennon Mallory
I have a friend who is a elected official in New York who calls me today. I'm cleaning and just listening to this person venting that like, it's so hard to be real and in politics, like, that is the toughest job ever is to maintain being a real person who's seriously about the issues, being authentic, having a social justice lens and trying to blend in with, as they said, these suckers, man. I can't take it, man.
- [48:03]
Lanita Baker
That's a word. It is very difficult to Balance. And it's very difficult, really, to live when you're not doing politics. This past weekend, I went to a wedding and a guy came up to me and he's like, don't I know you? And so I told him who I was, and he was like, you have a card? And I was like, no. He's like, why don't you have a card? And I'm like, I'm at a wedding. Like, I'm just trying to be. And so it's a. It's definitely a balance. And, you know, it's very humbling and an honor to serve, but it is. It takes a toll on an individual.
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Carl
For real, you're better than me. Cause I be out. If I'm out at a regular social event, people like, I know you from somewhere. I'm like, I don't know where I'm from. And my friends would be like, you wrong. I'm like, I mean, I know what. I'm not trying to talk about something.
- [48:51]
Lennon Mallory
That's what my son does to people. People walk up to my son everywhere and he. And they go, yo, I know you. I know you. He goes like, he don't know what the people were talking about.
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Katora Heron
Because at the end of the day, I mean, sometimes you just want to relax. And if they figure out who you are, if they. They say, hey, you such and such, then I oblige them. But I'm not the person that's going to say under, yeah, I might song rap and I do this, and I don't want to do all that, you know. So if you just say, you look familiar. I think I know. I'd be like, well, maybe you do may, you know, spaces.
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Carl
Yeah, tell me that all the time.
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Lennon Mallory
Y'all two are so much alike, it's ridiculous. But so we're here to talk about a serious issue today. I'm. I. I appreciate the two of you being able to alter your schedules because this is a real time sensitive issue for lots of reasons. During President Obama's presidency, his terms in office, one of the things that I was very proud of, that we worked on and we advocated for, was the use of consent decrees to address the concerns around police departments around the country. We know that depending on who your president is, and particularly Republican governors do not lean into consent decrees at all. But under President Obama, they were. And Eric Holder, obviously, being the Attorney general, this was something that they sort of brought to the forefront and really began to use that particular model or that whatever. You going to explain it to us a little Better Attorney Baker to address police departments where their behavior is not just one incident or two incidents, but there is a pattern, a pattern in practice of abuse, misuse of force, the violation of civil rights. And the issues go on and on. And so we saw more of that happening across the country. And of course, once Donald Trump became president, the first time it went away, they, in fact, declined to continue on that path. And here we are back there again. Lanita, why don't you tell us what is the importance of the consent degree, and then you can give us a little bit of information about what's been happening in Kentucky. And, of course, Katora, please jump in.
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Carl
So the importance of a consent decree is it provides oversight for the police department. It's not the chief, it's not the mayor. It's basically saying police department. Sometimes it's jail, sometimes at school. So, like, in this particular instance, we're talking about the Louisville Metro Police Department. But consent decrees are when the Department of Justice, the civil rights division of the Department of Justice, which we know is led by right now and at least into January, led by the formidable Kristin Clark, who has just been amazing in the four years that she's had to lead that section of Department of Justice, it gives us her court orders, other tools for monitoring for these entities who, under their investigations, they found that an entity, whether again, police department, jails, schools, any government entity has engaged in violating the civil rights of any particular group of citizens within the United States, as we know here in Louisville. And after President Biden became president, the Department of Justice announced that it would do an investigation into the Louisville Metro Police Department for patterns and practice. Part of that was based off of the recognition that came in from Breonna Taylor. But in addition to Breonna Taylor, I tell people we had the search warrants. I represented a young man, formidable young man, named Taeyang Lee, who was stopped driving his car in the West End, driving his mother's car in the West End, detained 45 minutes to an hour simply because he happened to be in the wrong neighborhood, driving a nice car. And being a black male, all he wanted to do was go home on his day off. And, you know, we just settled his case last year, but there was a pattern of those. And the Louisville Police Department called that a people places narcotics strategy to decrease valid crime. But what they were doing was basically harassing people in the wrong neighborhood. So their thought was, oh, if we find guns, come with drugs, and, you know, if we crack down on drugs and guns, then, you know, we're Reducing crime. But what you were doing were harass, harassing innocent young men. We've seen that, you know, through their investigation, the improper. Like when I read the patterns and practices practice report for LMPD, you would have thought you were in 1960s, like, releasing dogs on teenagers. Like, what world are we living in that this is okay? And so that was, you know, that, that those patterns and practice findings came down, I want to say, in 2022, if not early 2023. And the mayor, team, whoever he put in place, to negotiate on behalf of the city and the Department of Justice, which I know, you know, this is a priority for them to get this consent decree signed before the administration's change. I've been negotiating, but here we are two months out, and what I can say, if it's not signed by January 19th, it's not going to get signed. And it will be business as usual for lmpd. And we really need these consent decrees to force change. Like, we have a new police chief. He can't. It's only so much you can do if you can't say, well, we gotta change because we got this consent decree. Otherwise we'll be in violation of a court order because it is monitored by the court.
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Lennon Mallory
It's all about culture.
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Katora Heron
Yeah, that's unbelievable to me. So basically, we have two months in order for. To be able to have some type of jurisdiction over what these police can do to us. And they've already said that they've noted a bunch of patterns and practices that are pretty much unconstitutional. So we gotta fight for them to actually just do the right thing, for.
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Carl
The mayor to do the right thing and sign the consent decree. And when we say two months, it's because of what happened with the election. If we weren't. If November 7, it turned out differently, it still needs to be signed, but it's not as high of a. Like, I don't think BP Harris would have been saying we're not going to do consent decrees, but we know that Donald Trump would do that because one, he did it the first time he was elected in, you know, when he took office in 2017. And two, he already wants officers to have full immunity, so what the hell, why would he do a consent decree? So that's why we are at the, at the space that we are at. And I feel like, for me, for as much work as everyone on this call is put in, for as much work as everybody in the city has put in, if our mayor is not willing to sign it, then, like, that's.
- [56:33]
Lennon Mallory
Another issue, a whole nother issue.
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Carl
But it's time for him to go to.
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Lanita Baker
Yeah, and I'm gonna say that.
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Katora Heron
Yeah.
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Lanita Baker
And before we go on, I do want to, like, let the folks know what exactly those things were that were in that report.
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Lennon Mallory
Absolutely.
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Lanita Baker
So specifically, the Justice Department found that LMPD uses excessive force, including unjustified net restraints and unreasonable use of police dogs and Tasers, conduct searches based on invalid warrants, unlawfully execute search warrants without knocking and announcing unlawfully stops, searches, detains and arrests people during street enforcement activities, including traffic and pedestrian stops, unlawfully discriminates against black people in its enforcement activities, violates the rights of people engaged in protected free speech, critical of police. And the last thing they found was that LMPD discriminates against people with behavioral health disabilities when responding to crises.
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Lennon Mallory
That's the list. That's a long list.
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Lanita Baker
That's a long list.
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Lennon Mallory
Representative Haran why would Jermaine not sign. What is he saying? What's the issue at this point?
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Lanita Baker
I mean, I think if you look at what he has said publicly, he just basically said that they're not in agreeance, but has not gone into detail exactly what that means. But publicly, that is what he is saying, that currently they do not agree. The two parties have not come on an agreeance. I think the other thing that I want people to know and understand is that the community has never been a part of the process once the negotiation started. So we're actually also in a place where we're putting trust in the current administration and putting trust in the doj, that whatever comes out of it, that we're trusting that that is what we want as a community. And so, you know, it's so. It's a lot. So, like, right now, we're literally putting our trust in these two entities that they're going to do right by the people. And so as we're saying we need to get this done before January 19th, we still haven't even, haven't even been a part of that deeper conversation about what exactly is the negotiations right now or who actually from the city is a part of that negotiation. We don't know what that is.
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Lennon Mallory
I mentioned that our councilwoman, Shamika Parish Wright has also joined. Thank you so much, Shamika, for coming in and being with us. Councilwoman, please, thank you.
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Shamika Parish Wright
First, good afternoon and it's an honor to be here and I really appreciate you all keeping this fire lit. I told Tameka the timing is perfect and I'm glad that we have a Kentucky lawyer who is very amazing and capable. So if I say some things that ain't right, you can get me right. But I first want to thank now Senator Elect Katora Herron. That is just phenomenal to know that you're going to be carrying justice and equality and all those things at that level, because we really, really need it. And today we had a press conference right at Injustice Square, AKA Jefferson Square, right where the marker is signifying what happened to Breonna Taylor and all the subsequent deaths, David McAtee and Tyler Gurf and everyone else that's been connected. It's been an ongoing battle. I don't know about you all because you all have been day one down on the ground too. But it's been up and down roller coaster and as my son alluded to, it just seems like never ending, you know, accountability, I don't know. I got in trouble a lot when I was younger. I don't know about you all. And the only choice I had sometimes was to choose a switch or a belt or punishment. And to me punishment was the worst. But I knew that with the switch or the belt, it'll be over with quick. The problem is, is that LMPD is trying to continue with through the mayor, because the mayor is now as a puppet. We have one of our deputy mayors that is a former police officer that still operates, was once over to fop, was once. He was there when they had a recent consent decree. This is our second consent decree in recent history. The first one was on the hiring practices and he was there. This, this deputy mayor was there doing that part of the process. And maybe it helped him as a black man on the police force. But right now what we have is people, the police who have been policing themselves the whole time, trying to tell us, they didn't tell us how they were going to hurt us, but they're trying to tell us how we should heal. So they're looking for an exit date. They said that they looked at all these different consent decrees in other places and they seem to go on with the monitoring and they want to make sure that there's a real clear exit strategy. One of the reasons we're giving to was given to why the mayor isn't as, you know, trying to sign it. But they say different things. They talk about both sides of their mouth. They say in one press conference by Thanksgiving we should have something and that the mayor is eager to sign it. And then when I was just in a council meeting, before our regular council meeting, it was announced that the mayor wants to make sure that there's an extra strategy. And in one of the council, people alluded to the ongoing cost of monitoring. So my thing is, so what? Whatever it costs, LMPD earned it. That is the narrative that we must all be united on. They earned this consent decree. You don't get to tell us when it ends. You don't get to try to maintain and monitor what you get out of your. As your punishment or your consequences, because this has happened before. Our LMPD is. Are the same Louisville Metro Police Department accused of hurting young children in their exploratory program. Raping young children, raping women. There's nothing in our books for that. I'm thankful for the work of representative Heron, because without that, we wouldn't even have a formal no more no knocks on the books. I'm thankful for the state, but there's been nothing really significant. So the DOJ response is a federal response, and what we need is a local response that helps us hold them accountable, which is why I filed the people's Consent Decree. And that has exactly what Katora Heron laid out, as well as the History of Policing report. It's their words. It's the words that they've accepted, that they put on their website and to get my colleagues to pass a resolution meant for them they couldn't hold two truths. You can want the most trusted, trained, well paid police department, but they still are held accountable because basically, we're paying them and they're violating human rights, civil rights, and there's no repercussions. And if you really want to stop the gang violence and the balance that we see, that balance happens in boardrooms, it happens before we see it on the ground, and it definitely happens with our police department. So we have so many fronts on this, and I just appreciate being able to be a part of this communication. I plan to refile the people's Consent Decree. It passed out a committee, and then it got stalled when it went to the whole council. And so I wrote our. Our council for council. I wrote them and asked them, what do I need to do to file this again? Because we have nothing in writing, Tamika and my son on our books that really acknowledges what has happened. This federal response is one thing, but we don't have anything that signifies what happened so that we can hold them accountable going forward.
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Carl
I think one thing with that, though, too, is we do have to be cognizant of, like, I'm in support of the People's Consent Decree, but I also don't want to Confuse constituents in. We have a federal consent decree which the federal courts can enforce. And so there is that enforceability mechanism within that consent decree. And I, you know, I've seen the work that Kristen Clark has been putting in around the country, not just in Louisville. Like, this isn't just something she's doing in Louisville. She comes from Tamika, you know, Kristen, she, she's got a long pedigree from lawyers Committee for Civil Rights under the Law to, you know, that this appointment. And, you know, her office being the one that led the. Is leading the criminal prosecutions for the officers against Breonna Taylor, her office being the ones that, you know, did the criminal prosecutions against the officers that was throwing the slushies. So it's like her office has been the one holding these people responsible for even the little bit of response. It's a small measure of accountability for what needs to be happened. But any type of accountability that's come, whether it's in Breonna Taylor's case or whether it's in other cases of civil rights violations, it's coming from her office. And so I have a lot of faith, like, when we talk about what's in that consent decree, Kristen ain't letting no BS come through that consent decree. And so, like, when I say, like, pushing consent, like before January 19th, like, to me, I feel like Mayor Greenberg has stalled it out and, you know, he sought it out to see what's going to happen with the election. And then like, oh, the election turned out, you know, we might get away without actually ever having to sign one. And it's like, no, we shouldn't let that ride. Like, this department is no better than it was when they issued that report and you set up here and like, oh, we're going to accept accountability and da, da, da. And at the end of the day, when we talk about how much it's going to cost to monitor it, what I can tell you is these lawsuits that continue to come cost more than the cost to monitor it because they continue to get sued back to back to back. Like, people are taking this, this patterns and practice investigation finding they're taking, like, the civil rights attorneys are taking it in court. Like, look what they do. Like, it's ain't just they say they can't say they didn't know they've been violating rights and they continuing to do it. So, like, we have to change. And if they're not going to change, like Mayor, bye, bye, bye.
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Katora Heron
But what do you think? What, what should be the next steps what can people do? Like, you know, Koro was talking about how there is nobody part of, you know, the community that has any input inside of what happened in this descent decree. So what can just the people and constituents and the citizens do to help move this forward?
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Lanita Baker
I think the biggest thing right now is there has to be all hands on deck and pressure for the mayor's office to sign it. And people can do that by calling directly to the mayor's office. People can also call their Metro Council members. Obviously, we have Councilwoman Parrish Wright, who's on board. But the same way that we had the line going when it came to Breonna Taylor In 2020, when you called Metro Council literally on that line, it said, if you're calling regarding Breonna Taylor, press 1. All other inquiries, press 2. And that's the same type of pressure that needs to be put back on, that they need to know that the people are serious and that this needs to be signed because of significance. No matter what the next administration is going to do, this is the responsibility of the mayor and this administration. We can't wait to see what a Trump administration is going to do, whether he's going to take them away or not. We'll deal with that when that piece comes. But right now, the mayor's office, they need to do everything in their power to put that pen to that paper and sign it and to get under contract to make sure that the people of Louisville are protected and then for him to hold true to what he said that he was going to do when the people elected him.
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Lennon Mallory
Right. And I think that's so important because regardless of what happens with Trump, he still has a reelection for himself. The mayor is going to want to run for reelection and people need to be able to measure him. Not by Kristen Clark, not by Donald Trump, not by any of those measures. It needs to be based upon his own merit and what he has done. And so I think you're 100% right that we have to turn up the energy. That's why we wanted to have this conversation today so that people can have the information they need. It is very challenging when you're working, studying, living your life, to understand everything that's happening around you, especially in terms of the political atmosphere. And it is important for us to break it down in bite sized pieces so people can say that, I understand that. I want to get behind that. I want to fight for it. A lot of times we say that our communities are not really involved in things. And it's literally because they don't understand understand because no one has explained it to them. And so I think, you know, getting out there and you know, and, and making sure that every lady, Dottie and everybody, as they say, knows exactly what's happening in this moment is going to be important. And that's the work of the foot soldiers, you know, those of us who knock on doors, who talk to folks and, and getting that type of information out there. So I know you also wear another hat. Councilwoman of also being at Vocal Kentucky. And I'm sure you all are already working on this. But I feel like what people who are listening can do is to get the information that they need to go push it out into the corners of the city. So talk about that. But I want to make sure, Representative Haran, that you are able to come back and really briefly before you go today, this is Louisville. But this issue is not only a Louisville issue. This is, I'm sure, all of Kentucky. And we need a consent decree in America in general over all the police departments. We know that. Right. We need all of it, all of them. So what. So I want, I want you to talk about what do you see in terms of the importance of this for the entire state of Kentucky? Because I'm sure there are other pockets that are under your purview who have similar issues that are not being addressed. So one, first, we'll go with you, Shamika, and then Katora, thank you for that.
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Shamika Parish Wright
And to answer you and my son's questions. That is exactly it. The community organizing has to happen no matter what.365 whether somebody is running or not, the awareness to making this work digestible in different levels and for people to understand their roles. I think that there's a lot of things that people can do within their discretion that they don't realize they can do. And so education that is continuous, that's reciprocated is so important through this process and making sure that we show up. The good thing is I have my council role and then as you said, I have the role as a director of an organization that is fighting for people to not be incarcerated, to not have their rights violated, to be able to meet people where they at. And these are people who are directly impacted who are now being asked to be at decision making tables at judiciary hearings, to be able to articulate their story. So there's a storytelling part of this. And I totally agree with Lanita Baker on my distrust is not with that part of what Christian Clark and other folks are doing. My issue is that we make things, we paint things with our current administration, for one thing, in the media. But if we don't have a way to hold them accountable locally, then it's just the same old thing as we've seen the police policing themselves. So one of the other jobs we have to do, and I'm hoping that the people's consent decree adds to it, is, is keep that fire lit. Keep the fire lit because the mayor cares about his name in the press, because he's working on getting reelected, like Lanita is saying. And election has its consequences as we all are still processing and dealing with the most recent election. So I think that we have to be both in and we have to know who our allies are and work with them. I think the work that you all are doing is phenomenal because until freedom can bring that national platform, keep that national heat on, and I think what Katora is doing is amazing because her work and our work with Vocal, we're going into the hoods, the hollows, the suburban, the urban, and we're talking to people, and guess what? It's less about their party affiliation, less about the lines that separate them, and it's more about these issues. And as you said, Tamika, the same issues people are dealing with in these hoods and in these counties where everybody knows everybody and they use the judicial system to further bully the people. And so we got to make sure that we're showing up for people in every way. So we're going to continue to base, build, we're going to continue to mobilize. We're going to continue to get more people engaged in our organization and the other partner organizations. And then we also want to push for people to be appointed to these seats as commissioners, as being a part of where these decisions are being made and where we can push people to use their discretion, because a lot of people need to be engaged in this work. Not just our foot soldiers, of course, but sometimes we have people who work within the government or within the agencies who can lift up their voices and be a part of this. So I think the empowerment, the standing with our folks when they are making the right decisions, to having their back when things are going well and to. To build a culture, because we. You talked about culture change earlier. To build a culture where people can actually stand on the right side of this pendulum that we know is moving towards justice and. And feel supported because we still operate as a small town in Kentucky where they can pick up the phone and shut you down. And so people worry about their jobs and their housing. So we're trying to find ways where people can take a part of this and still have a home to go to and still have a job to go to. So I'm in it to wherever our vocal folks are in it and other organizing groups are in it. And I want to be connected to what you all are doing.
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Lanita Baker
Yeah, that's good, Shamika. And as you spoke about the hood to the holler and the urban and suburban, this police misconduct is happening all over the state of Kentucky. And so, as you said, why is it important that we do this here? It's important because we need to send a message across the commonwealth. Just last week, there was a family of a white guy, I believe his name was Joseph Martin, I believe it's Joey or Joseph Martin, that his family just filed a lawsuit and they're wanting a federal investigation because their son was killed in Marion county, in a smaller county in our state, where the police kneeled on the back of his neck for over a minute and a half. And so when we talk about the misconduct that's happening as it relates to policing, it's not just happening in Louisville. It is happening across the commonwealth. Here in the Commonwealth, there's been a lot of police involved, shootings where police have killed and shot individuals who were unarmed. And so this is something that I believe that if we're able to get that consent decree done here in Louisville, than it does send a message across the state. And it empowers other communities to say, you know what, we can speak up and we can band together to hold our law enforcement together. Because as councilwoman just said, it is very difficult when you go out in these communities and talk to folks. They're business owners, they have law practices, they're doctors. Some of them are afraid to speak out because depending on where they are, people will stop patronizing their businesses. But I believe that this, what this statement says is, it doesn't matter if you're black, white, if you're from Louisville or you're from the country. We're going to band together. And right is right and wrong is wrong. And at the end of the day, we want to make sure that all Kentuckians, that they have justice and they are protected and protected from law enforcement, and the law enforcement is doing their job. And when they're not doing their job, we are going to hold them accountable.
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Katora Heron
Amen. I want. I just want to say one thing, just on a high note. You know, we did see a piece of justice in the Breonna Taylor's case. You know, we did. We. You know, we. We've been fighting against it, and it just shows how elections have consequences, how fighting has consequences. For four years straight, we did everything possible to bring attention to fight. Lonita was the lawyer. We was outside advocating. You know, we watched you guys get elected to office based off just the fighting and everything that we did during that case. So I just want you to, Lonita, just speak a little bit about what happened in that case and just, you know, and give us a little bit of hope. A little bit of hope, and just say what should be the next steps that we should be doing.
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Carl
Yeah. So, of course, a few weeks ago, Brett Hankinson was found guilty for violating the civil rights of Breonna Taylor. So his sentencing is now in April 1st. It was going to be March 12th, which was on the eve of the anniversary of Breonna's death. But I think his lawyers later realized, like, hold on, that might not. So it's in April now, But that's okay. Ms. Palmer, she was mad, but she's okay now. He did file a motion for a new trial. I tell Ms. Palmer all the time, their defense attorney, they have to do it. I'm not as worried about the motion for a new trial. The one thing I can say about Judge Jennings is I do feel like she did everything within her power to make sure that that trial was fair. And so I'm not as concerned about a new trial. And she's not going anywhere anytime soon. Judge Jennings, the. The other two officers, Joshua James and Cal Meanie, we're still waiting on trial dates for them. Mike Songer and Anna. I always forget Anna's name. I hate it. But the DOJ prosecutors, the. The good thing about the two prosecutors that we've had in this case is they extend beyond any presidential administration. They didn't come on when Biden was hired. You know, they've been around for ages. And so, you know, barring somebody coming in and telling them to get rid of these cases, they're going to fight tooth and nail to get justice for Breonna Taylor's family. And I have full faith and trust in those two prosecutors. You guys saw the first trial, this trial, we was all outside trying to figure out what's going on with elections. It was so much going on this time around, and even I was like, we really set a trial like two weeks before election day or a month before election Day. But that first trial, you got to see them and interact with those prosecutors, and you can tell their heart that it is for fighting a system of corruption within police departments and get rid of those civil rights violations. And so I do have faith in those two.
- [80:10]
Lennon Mallory
We were fighting and we were in an election during the first trial as well because that's when we spanked Daniel Cameron's ass and sent him back.
- [80:21]
Shamika Parish Wright
We fired him and we fired Daniel Cameron. Judge y'all.
- [80:26]
Lennon Mallory
It's always, it's never. There is no fight that we're involved in that's easy or simple or the cakewalker always an added layer.
- [80:37]
Carl
I forgot about that. It was doing.
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Lennon Mallory
Yeah, it was during election. But I want to say thank you to all of you and my son has said that we have wins.
- [80:47]
Carl
I got one thing though before you go. So next Tuesday, the Department of justice civil rights division, we talked about Tameka Palmer, Brianna's mom. She is going to be in Washington, D.C. with Kristin Clark. This year marks 30 years of patterns in practice. The civil rights Department of Justice being able to pursue civil rights remedies for patterns and practices violations. So they have a panel coming up next Tuesday. Ms. Palmer is going to be there as a representative of a family who's been impacted. As you heard, representative or senator elect, I don't know which one I like. We're going to say representative, senator elect. Give all her. You heard her talk about one of the violations that they found was getting improper search warrants. So the patterns in practice definitely led to Brianna's murder. And so she's going to be up there with Kristen Clark and some other Derek Johnson's one of the panelists. So that's going on Next next Tuesday, December 3rd. And the phone calls do work because when we was doing a no more no knock. Some of my friends that were on Metro Council called and they was like, I already voted for it. Can you please tell them to stop calling me. I'm like, now they calling everybody.
- [82:01]
Lennon Mallory
I can't, you know, so can't do anything about that. That's all right. You get a call too because the elected officials from the morning to the night, things can shift. So we you just keep the pressure on because when those donors start calling things people start getting a little shaky. Which is why I appreciate that the two elected officials that we have here are two that have taken the hard way is the steps up the backside of the building. And you know, you might have to take the fire escape also, which means that you're not taking the money from all the big corporations and the special interest groups. You out here bootstraps like real knee in dollars and cents from every single person who believes in justice, who believes in a fair process in terms of our government and elections and all of that. And I just think it's the same for us at until freedom. We could be taking money from corporations and, you know, we got. We have friends. They got a lot of money. They would love to give us money, but they got. That's going to come with conditions. It's going to come with people expecting certain things. So we are out here. Sometimes the bank account has the money for payroll, and sometimes it's real low, and we're trying to figure it out. But at the end of the day, we maintain our integrity. And certainly the two of you, you have done that. And of course, lanita won't even take certain people's cases. So that's an. I'm gonna talk to her because lanita needs to be the one that go get rich. Don't worry about not taking certain people's money so the rest of us can have something.
- [83:44]
Lanita Baker
Right?
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Lennon Mallory
We love y'all so much. We gonna be in Kentucky soon. And this particular effort, it feels like we have days to push as hard as possible. So let's talk offline and figure out what that looks like and continue to. And. And to activate our base, we have a ba. We built a base in Kentucky across the state of people who just need to know what to do. And we need to give them that and get them to work.
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Katora Heron
That's right.
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Lanita Baker
All right.
- [84:17]
Lennon Mallory
Y'All. Love you all. Couture. Congratulations again.
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Katora Heron
Thank you again.
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Shamika Parish Wright
Bye, y'all.
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Lennon Mallory
Listen, it's a. It's a fight. It's a struggle. It's a. It's. We like this everybody.
- [88:07]
Katora Heron
We always in the trenches, man. That's what we do, man. So shout out to Katora. I mean, Senator. Representative. Senator. Senator elect Ms. Paris, right? Councilwoman.
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Lennon Mallory
That's right.
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Katora Heron
And shout out to Esquire for all the work we've done, man. Like you said, we built a real family in Kentucky now. I wanted to make sure that we talked about that little piece of justice that we got, man, for all those years. You know, there was tears, there was. There was tear gas. You know, there was a lot of things that was lost. There was. We lost other people during that. That lost their life, you know, during those times. So I just want to say that when we fight, we win, man. We. We don't. You know, we don't always win, but when we fight, you know, we actually win anyway because we fought, you know? So I just want us to understand when people say, oh, what you marching for? What you doing there for? We march so that we could see some justice for Breonna Taylor. And it actually had. We marched so we can make sure that Daniel Cameron didn't become the governor. These are things that we march for and we understand when we make our voices loud and we show our unity and we are intentional about things, those things actually happen.
- [89:29]
Lennon Mallory
So. Absolutely. Absolutely. What don't you get today, sir?
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Katora Heron
What don't I get today? And it's pretty much simple because it goes along with this. We're talking about dissent, decrees and patterns and practices, and we talking about all these laws that can be activated and things that need to be activated, and then we talk about an election. And what I don't get right is we. We've been very intentional about letting people understand that for us, it wasn't November 7th or. No, it was November 8th. It was the day after.
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Lennon Mallory
No, it's November. The election was. It was November 6th. It was November 5th. Y'all people all wrong you.
- [90:12]
Katora Heron
And I was just. I don't even remember, but I just know we made. We were very vocal about saying that for us, it was the day after election, and we really needed to start organizing. And what I don't get is how there is this narrative and there's these loud people screaming, walter, the election is open now. Why don't y'all just get over it? You know, Trump is the president. That's it. Just move on. What does that mean? I don't get what that means, I don't get why people don't understand that. There's the process. You elect the president now. You hold the president accountable. Now you are very critical now. You make sure the things that needed to get that you want to happen in your community happen. It's not okay. We wanted a different candidate, our candidate law, so we don't work anymore. Like, I don't even understand why people think that's how it goes. Every time I have a conversation or you post something about, okay, these are the people that the president elect is putting in his cabinet, and, oh, y'all just so lose it. No, we want you to understand the process. We want you to understand who to hold accountable for certain things inside our communities, things that's going on inside government, laws that we need to be passed, laws that haven't been passed. We want everybody to be aware. We're not supposed to just go to sleep. The election is over, and we just go to bed because, no, it doesn't work like that. So I really don't get why people think that now, because Trump has been elected president, and he wasn't the person that we wanted to be elected president, that we supposed to just sail off into the sunset and be quiet for four years. I just don't understand that.
- [91:48]
Lennon Mallory
Well, I don't have anything to add to that. It is what it is. I've never not been fighting against elected officials. I mean, literally, even when they're my friends.
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Katora Heron
This is what I told him. I said for an opponent.
- [92:03]
Lennon Mallory
I, you know, I supported Mayor de Blasio's. Him becoming mayor in New York City. I don't know if I. I don't think. I don't think I endorsed him. I can't remember at this point. But I do know that while Mayor de Blasio was mayor, especially in the beginning, I was a supporter of his because I knew what he had committed to. He was out there. He was protesting with us against Stop and Frisk. He was extremely vocal about reform, dealing with policing in New York City. He also was very supportive of the community violence intervention community. He was one to give a number of dollars, millions of dollars in his budget to community violence intervention advocates and grassroots workers and leaders across the city. And so I supported that as soon as he started to waver, because the police turned their backs on him. And he had a number of challenges in terms of dealing with. Specifically with police abuse. And then there were other issues. And I'm not trying to relitigate the de Blasio time, but you know, we do know that while he was mayor, Daniel Pantaleo, which is the officer who killed Eric Garner, he. The mayor's response to that and the way he handled the situation and the fact that his own police department refused to move forward with very significant and serious accountability measures for Daniel Pantaleo. We said, well, the. The nice. What do you call it? The nice. Oh, damn. What is it called?
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Katora Heron
The. The. The.
- [93:58]
Lennon Mallory
The honeymoon period is over and we went to fighting him, and we'll continue to do so with anybody. Eric Adams, it doesn't matter who it is. Joe Biden has also been a recipient of us protesting being out there. I intended to continue to do that with Vice President Harris, and we're going to do it under Donald Trump. The stakes are higher. The ability for Trump to target our community and target us specifically, we already know that that is. In fact, no one wants to go box when you are X amount of height and X amount of weight, and you won't go take on the heavyweight champion of the world knowing that that is not somebody who you actually have the ability to fight and win. That's stupid. If you do that, something is wrong with you. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't take on big opponents, but for me, every single time we fight, if you fighting against government officials and people in positions of power, it's a huge fight. It is significant, but you can still choose within something that is more likely for you to be able to win. And so that's what we always said. But we know we will have to fight anybody who is in, you know, in. In Washington. And it's not just Washington. It's Washington. We now here. It's in Kentucky. It's in Albany, New York. It's in every single place across this country where we as a people feel oppressed and feel that we are lacking the types of resources that we need in order to have successful communities. So it is what it is.
- [95:49]
Tamika Mallory
You're right.
- [95:51]
Katora Heron
We gonna fight. And we ain't gonna never stop fighting. We gonna keep on fighting, and we gonna fight, fight, fight until the end.
- [95:58]
Lennon Mallory
Please. Good night.
- [96:00]
Katora Heron
Good night, man. Listen. Another episode of the best podcast in America. Tmi, my partner in crime.
- [96:12]
Lennon Mallory
I don't do crime.
- [96:13]
Katora Heron
Justice crime. Well, we do justice crime.
- [96:15]
Lennon Mallory
I don't. I don't do just. I don't do nothing. Anything that has the word crime in it.
- [96:20]
Katora Heron
Justice, crime.
- [96:24]
Lennon Mallory
I don't do crime. I. Hello, everybody out there. Tamika Mallory does not do crime. That's all I know.
- [96:31]
Katora Heron
Justice, crime. We do justice Crime, justice, crime. But we want to thank y'all for continuing to support us. We want to thank our guests, you know Representative Senator Elect Quran Shamika Paris Wright, our councilwoman and also Attorney Lanita Baker for joining us. We appreciate y'all, we appreciate our fans for always supporting us. And I'm not gonna always be right. Tamika D Marry is not gonna always be wrong. But we both always, and I mean always be authentic. That's how we own it.
- [97:03]
Tamika Mallory
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Tamika Mallory
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Lennon Mallory
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Tamika Mallory
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Lennon Mallory
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Tamika Mallory
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