Will The REAL Slim Shady Stand Up? RHOP Recap

Summary

Podcast Summary

The Breakfast Club – “Will The REAL Slim Shady Stand Up? RHOP Recap”
Date: November 11, 2025
Hosts: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God (w/ Carlos King, Claudia Jordan, Dustin Ross guesting for RHOP segment)

Overview

This special episode centers on a deep-dive recap and critique of the latest “Real Housewives of Potomac” (“RHOP”) episode. Reality TV heavyweight Carlos King leads a conversational breakdown alongside Claudia Jordan and Dustin Ross. The trio explores cast dynamics, authenticity, and notable housewife moments—all while doling out frank advice to cast member Angel and the current Potomac group.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Stacy & Chris Samuels Situation

Timestamps: [03:00–08:00]

• Carlos King kicks things off by addressing the buzz over Stacy's off-camera confession of hanging out with Monique Samuels’ ex, Chris Samuels.
  • Carlos: “She admits that she was hanging out with Chris Samuels… but said that she did not sleep with him. Dustin, do you buy it?”
• Dustin’s take: Stacy lying is part of her charm on the show, and her delivery makes it entertaining. He appreciates the producer who caught the candid moment on camera.

  “I'm thoroughly enjoying her lying ass… She did lie. Ain't no telling what her and Chris Samuels did. But I like the way she told it.” (Dustin Ross, 04:44)

• Claudia’s take: The public forgives Stacy because she’s “not being fake about her fakeness.” She believes Stacy and Chris did more than Stacy admits, pointing to Stacy’s body language as proof.

  “They forgive her because she's not being, like, fake about her fakeness. You know what I mean?… She leans in all the way. And that's what makes her fun to watch.” (Claudia Jordan, 06:34)

• Consensus: No scandal since Monique and Chris are divorced. If Stacy and Monique aren’t friends, “they owe each other nothing.”

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2. The Struggles of Angel & Group ‘Wolf Pack’ Mentality

Timestamps: [08:30–10:15, 32:53–38:00]

• Claudia says Angel stands out as green and uncomfortable, noting the group’s relentless approach:

  “They are being a little bit mean, girlish to her... she’s the bigger girl of the group... coming off of giving birth, and these girls... keep on doing this to her.” (Claudia, 09:19)

• Angel often picks the wrong moments to take issue, inadvertently making herself a group target.
• Carlos and Claudia both observe that Angel doesn’t seem fit for the group’s ceaseless intensity and reality TV drama.
• Claudia (later):

  “You needed maybe another year after your baby before going and doing a show like this. It's too rough for you. Every show, we're saying she's not herself… every show, there's a time where she's good, then she's not.” (Claudia, 32:53)

Notable Quotes

“If you look at people's actions… there’s things they can’t control… I just be looking at like, other stuff. Don’t look—look how they look up into the left when they’re talking.” (Claudia, 06:34)

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3. The Need for Role Diversity & Authentic Cast Dynamics

Timestamps: [10:17–15:56]

• Carlos draws inspiration from earlier seasons of Real Housewives of Atlanta, advocating for cast members to “play their positions” and not all compete for ‘queen bee’:

  “The beauty of that cast is everybody played their role and everybody played their position… When I look at this current cast of Potomac, I need everybody to stop doing Giselle's job.” (Carlos, 12:35)

• Claudia agrees, saying everyone trying to be the star “is annoying… it’s like I can’t keep up with who’s who. Everyone’s doing too much.”
  • She recommends more “range”, not just high drama: “When you need some eights, you need some sixes, you need some fives… and that's gonna make your show a 10.” (15:57)
• They all compare cast chemistry to their own podcast mix, noting why variety in tone and personality makes great TV/podcasting.

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4. The Jazzy & Tia Table Blow-up: Forced Drama?

Timestamps: [17:39–19:30]

• Every conflict needs real stakes, Dustin says. Heightened fake drama falls flat:

  “Somebody being mad in an argument is only entertaining when they're actually mad and upset. Heightening your… the tone of your voice… When there's no real context that warrants that behind it, it doesn't land well with the audience.” (Dustin, 18:06)

• Jazzy, a “friend of the show”, is seen trying to have her big moment—yelling across the table—yet it comes off forced.
  • Claudia: “It felt like I didn’t get my flute… so guess what? I’m gonna make y’all regret that y’all don’t give me one…. It felt very forced.”
• The group expects Jazzy to self-correct after this rookie mistake.

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5. Giselle, Kiana, and Wendy: Real Arguments and Real Grief

Timestamps: [24:29–29:40]

• The panel examines the beef between Giselle and Kiana (KK), sparked by accusations of aggression during a past altercation.
• Dustin sides with Kiana, blaming Giselle for misrepresenting the facts:

  “Giselle was wrong as hell… Kiana was not the aggressor in that fight.”

• Carlos and Claudia both empathize with Giselle’s loss of her father, but agree this pattern of behavior is typical for her.

  “Her dad did pass… On this one, we can talk about other ones, but on this one, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna be as receptive or even paying attention to what you got going on right now.” (Claudia, 28:21)

• Dustin and Claudia agree that honest conversations can change the trajectory of reality TV friendships.

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6. Jazzy, Angel, and Off-Camera Gossip Gone Wild

Timestamps: [29:46–34:44]

• The hosts address an off-camera reveal: a woman (a “WAG”) DM'ing Jazzy to warn her Angel is a “mean girl.”
• Angel becomes emotionally affected after Jazzy relays these rumors, including accusations of financial and personal misconduct.
  • Claudia suggests Angel isn’t emotionally equipped for the show right now, saying,

    “I think she's just very fragile right now… she's not enjoying her life. You have a very blessed life, Angel. I hope you receive this. You are worried too much about what the popular kids at high school think.” (Claudia, 37:30)

• Dustin points out how Angel’s overreaction (“walking out in a huff, wing bent up”) provides comedy but underlines her lack of thick skin.

  “You can't fly on one wing, baby… if she would just lighten the up and have fun a little bit, like, damn.” (Dustin, 35:47)

• The trio offers tough love: enjoy your blessings, stop overthinking, and toughen up if you want to last in this genre.

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7. Reality TV Success: Advice for Angel & Other Cast Members

Timestamps: [38:00–42:36]

• Claudia:

  “Whoever is emotionally involved, invested, loses the argument. The reason why I was like that with mine was I didn't give a. I wasn't a fan of no one… I think because she was a fan and really watched the show from the beginning, she may be a little bit intimidated.” (42:00)

• Dustin (blunt & memorable):

  “You better wake the up then, because that is not serving her, wouldn't you say? It's time to pop your head out of your ass, angel, and get in the paint.” (42:28)

• The message: Fans-turned-cast must drop their awe and get as tough and present as the veterans.

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8. Pop Culture Sidebar: TV Recommendations & Kim Kardashian

Timestamps: [42:53–44:43]

• Dustin and Carlos briefly share takes on "Reasonable Doubt" (Hulu) and Kim Kardashian’s acting in “All Fair”.
  • Dustin: “Of course, I didn’t expect to see her being Viola Davis or Meryl Streep, you know what I’m saying? But the show is good.” (43:10)
  • Claudia: “It’s because they put her front and center…If they put her fourth on the call sheet… the fans could be pleasantly surprised.” (44:19)
• The panel wraps with playful banter and mutual admiration.

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Most Notable Quotes

• Claudia Jordan, 06:34:

  "They forgive her because she's not being, like, fake about her fakeness… she's in on it as well."

• Carlos King, 12:36:

  "I need everybody to stop doing Giselle’s job. Giselle Bryant is great at being Giselle and let her do her."

• Dustin Ross, 18:07:

  “Somebody being mad in an argument is only entertaining when they're actually mad… heightening the tone of your voice… when there's no real context… it doesn't land well.”

• Claudia Jordan, 37:30:

  "You are worried too much about what the popular kids at high school think. And I think that’s gonna be your downfall."

• Dustin Ross, 42:28:

  "It's time to pop your head out of your ass, Angel, and get in the paint."

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Segment Timestamps (Quick Guide)

• Stacy & Chris (Lying, Body Language): 03:00–08:00
• Angel’s Struggles & Group Mentality: 08:30–10:15, 32:53–38:00
• Cast Dynamics & Roles: 10:17–15:56
• Jazzy’s ‘Moment’: 17:39–19:30
• Giselle/KK/Wendy Argument: 24:29–29:40
• Jazzy-Angel Off-Camera Drama: 29:46–34:44
• Advice to Angel: 38:00–42:36
• Pop Culture/TV Sidebar: 42:53–44:43

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Tone & Language

Frank, witty, and supportive—sometimes tough love, always entertaining. The panel critiques the “Potomac” cast’s choices, but ultimately roots for the women to succeed and have more fun with the opportunity, reminding both housewives and listeners that authenticity beats forced drama every time.

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For listeners pressed for time:
The hosts say Potomac is currently suffering from everyone “doing too much” and not enough role diversity. Angel needs thicker skin and less anxiety about public perception. Good reality TV = a mix of personalities, honest reactions, and a willingness to let the drama find you—not force it.

Claudia’s parting advice: “Have fun. Every show, not everything can be so serious. My friend...I feel bad for you. I do. I feel like you need a homegirl on there.”

Transcript

[Dustin Ross]

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[Carlos King]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Carlos King]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Carlos King]

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[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

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[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

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[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

Good plus on Apple Podcasts. Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television, from the Real Housewives franchise to the Bachelor or selling Sunset in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. All right, so raindrops, we are now getting into the latest episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac. Claudia already starting it off with angel, feeling uncomfortable. So let's just listen. Let's get into the episode. Let's get right into it. Before we get to angel in disguise, I do want to get hi Brandy Norwood, my favorite album. I want to get into the admission that Stacy said off camera from a producer camera about the fact that, listen, she admits that she was hanging out with Chris Samuels, who is the current ex husband of Monique Samuels. Stacy said, look, I was going through something. I'm single. He's single. He is super cool and respectful, but said that she did not sleep with him. Dustin, do you buy it? And why do you think Stacy lied on camera about it?

[Dustin Ross]

Could Stacy be lying? We are, and we know that about her now. It's part of her charm at this point. Shane told no malicious lies that have ruined nobody's damn life yet. So we've been able to enjoy her lying ass. You know what I'm saying? I'm thoroughly enjoying her lying ass on this show. And she did lie. Ain't no telling what her and Chris Samuels did. But I like the way she told it. You know, she set it up right. If you're gonna deliver some information, add context, you know what I'm saying? Paint the picture. And that's exactly what Stacy did. I also want to give a nod and also talk about the producer cam for a second, right? Because whoever that producer was that was camming in that moment, you're messy, and I love you for it. First of all, the angle was from upstairs. Somebody was upstairs leaning over a rail with a cell phone dedication and recording that. That's what that was. That's why the angle was shot the way it was. That was somebody turning around a corner and leaning with a phone out. And. And that is hilarious to me. I Want to know who it was?

[Carlos King]

I will find out for you, but shout out to the producer who made that moment happen. Claudia, What. What are your thoughts on this? Because, listen, a lot of people do get on reality stars for not being real, not being honest. It does seem to be this trope that people nowadays do get on reality television and want to be able to select which truth that they want to talk about on these shows. Some people have gone away with it for a very long time. It seems to be this new trend. You obviously have been on reality television on several shows. What are your thoughts on that? And why do you think Stacy does it to begin with? And why you think the audience forgives her for doing it?

[Claudia Jordan]

They forgive her because she's not being, like, fake about her fakeness. You know what I mean? Like, I know that sounds like. Wait, what? But she's, like, she's in on it as well. She's not oblivious. She knows what she's doing. And it's funny. Like, if she was just a little bit delusional, it'd be, like, yawn, boring. She's annoying, but she leans in all the way. And that's what makes her fun to watch. Do I think her and Chris Samuels did something? Yes, I do. Just because the way her face lights up when she was talking about him. When you pay attention to body language, like I do, I look at people's body language and the look in their eye when they say things, not their words. Words can be whatever you can't hide. When someone's lip turns up on the corner, when they get a glimmer in their eye, when they look like they're blushing. They look like a school girl when they talk about someone. Just like how Giselle gave it all away in her face about her man. It is so obvious. If you look at people's actions and there's things that they can't control. They think they are and don't listen to the words. That's why I be not people lying or telling the truth. I just be looking at, like, other stuff. Don't look. Look. Look how they look up into the left when they're talking. Look how they're. Well, no, like, words mean nothing, but I do think it's. I don't think it's as big of a scandal as people want it to be. Monique and Chris Samuels are divorced.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Claudia Jordan]

If they. If Stacy and Monique were friends, that'd be something different. Were they friends? I don't think so. Right. They don't know. No, she Owes her not. They owe each other nothing.

[Dustin Ross]

I agree.

[Claudia Jordan]

Monique can go date Stacy's ex husband. She wants to, because there's no connection there. I think it sounds good because we know Monique's coming back. So it's like, oh, but clearly, if Monique still want to be with Chris, I'm sure she should. She could be. If she wanted to. Okay. But she's. Whatever. That. That chapter is close. It's not that big of a deal. But, yeah, I do think they mess around. Just from her body language, I think she told on herself. And yeah, I think there was a lot of pressure on reality shows to provide. You have to have something going at all times. And the Potomac women, the way they are going so hard this season, it almost feels like everybody feels like their job is on the line. The way every single episode, every single scene, there's no break. No one gets to just chill. Like, you got to have your head on a swivel with this cast, because if you don't, you will get clowned. And I feel like that's what I know I'm bringing up angel very early on in this conversation.

[Carlos King]

No, go right ahead.

[Claudia Jordan]

I think angel is uncomfortable because when she watched the show, I don't think she realized how difficult it was in that pit. Like, these women are quick, quick, quick, quick. And they clock every little thing. And they don't let you rest for five seconds. They don't. And I don't think angel is a bad person at all. I think she's just green. She's just green doing reality. She's not green watching, but she's green doing it.

[Carlos King]

And.

[Claudia Jordan]

And I do think that there. I ain't gonna lie. This last episode, she does inflict cause a lot of stuff on herself. Like, she picks the worst time to, like, have a gripe with something. Like, I wish she'd, like, kind of pick and choose when she. Okay, maybe I'll talk about that later. She kind of ruins the moment sometimes. But I will say the other girls, to me, are very much the type of girls and we that gang up on one person when they feel weakness, like, they're like a. A wolf pack. When they sense any weakness amongst the pack, they gonna just go for that person's Achilles heel, Achilles tendon, the whole show. And it's almost getting a little old. You know, this woman's insecure right now. She's the bigger girl of the group. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. She's coming off of giving birth, and these girls are kind of they are being a little bit mean, girlish to her. They keep on doing this to her. You know, she's sensitive. She. She's still not comfortable in this group. And I don't really know if reality is for her when I see this, because when they see you showing weakness, they're gonna keep on picking that scab.

[Carlos King]

I actually agree with you. And we will get into the rest of the episode. I'm gonna start by saying this. This is my advice to the Potomac cast. I think the production is fine. The producers are doing a great job. This is not about the producers. This is a great season. It's not about that. But to me, this is my fair warning to the Potomac ladies, and this is a fair warning to all reality shows, mine included. You know, I'm not gonna sit up here and say, I. It's more. It's not about the production. It's more about the. It's more about the. The cast. Everybody can be a force multiplier on these shows, okay? I will always bring up this show, and I don't care how many times I bring it up. I don't care how many times I get exhausted about me bringing it up, because this cast is the best cast to ever be on reality television. And I will go on record saying that when you look at the Real Housewives of Atlanta season nine on down, okay? The beauty of that cast is everybody played their role and everybody played their position is the reason why we love Cynthia Bailey. She never wanted to be Nene. Nene never wanted to be Phaedra. Phaedra was Phaedra. Portia was Portia. Claudia was Claudia. You know, you.

[Claudia Jordan]

You.

[Carlos King]

Candy was Candy. The list goes on and on. Charade. Charade. Kim. Kim. It was never a show as much as activated as Charade Whitfield can get. Charade. Whitfield was. Was a silent killer, you know? You know, it took her, you know, was a solid killer. Then he came in. Bam. And Phaedra leaned in on the juxtaposition of being a church girl and a lawyer and also being somebody who. Who had these sexual overtones. Right.

[Claudia Jordan]

That's a nice way to put it, but yes.

[Carlos King]

So they all lean into what they were. But I never. I never looked at those girls like they all trying to be the queen bee. They all respected that. Every girl played their role. When I look at this current cast of Potomac, I need everybody to stop doing Giselle's job.

[Claudia Jordan]

Yep.

[Carlos King]

And I'm gonna say it.

[Claudia Jordan]

It's annoying, actually, to watch. It's annoying.

[Carlos King]

Giselle Bryant is great at being Giselle and let her do her. It was one of those things where I remember and I regretfully forgot to mention the queen, the legendary icon Kenya Moore, who is everything to me. So blame my memory, not my heart. I remember producing season eight of Atlanta Housewives, and we were in Miami, and the girls were. You know, nothing was happening, really. And I remember somebody saying, where's Kenya? I'm not gonna say who said it. And they're like, get Kenya over here. Because when Kenya's around, something happens. I bring that up to say that's when you know you have a team.

[Dustin Ross]

Yep.

[Carlos King]

And I feel like Potomac is not operating as a team. I feel like Potomac's operating as everybody wants to be Tom Brady. The reason why Karen was great. Karen was Proverbs Dustin Ross on Twitter. Start no more, be none.

[Dustin Ross]

That's right.

[Carlos King]

And when I look at this episode, I feel like everybody is so messy and everybody's trying to activate one another, and we all appreciate that. That's Giselle's job. I don't want to see Wendy throw KK under the bus. I don't want to see Ashley, although she's messy, and that's who she's always been. The beauty of Ashley was Ashley allowed Giselle to be it, and Ashley wasn't when she had to be. When I'm watching this show, I do feel like they're ganging up on Angel. I feel like they're ganging up on Stacy. Nobody is allowed to breathe. Nobody's allowed to just have a moment. I love me some Jazzy. I'm a Jazz to be a housewife. Even when Jazzy and Tia got into it. Jazzy, I love you down boots. We all can admit that Jazzy was trying to have a moment. The way she yelled across the table.

[Claudia Jordan]

It was so odd and unnecessary. It felt like. It felt like I didn't get my flute. Peach. Whatever. So guess what? I'm gonna make y' all regret that y' all don't give me one, or this is my second chance to get one now. And it was like, less is more, like, we're not dumb. You don't have to shove yourself down our throats. Because I feel like she got enough motion in her life that she doesn't need to do that. It felt very forced, like. And I think the exhaustion that Angels feeling is what we're feeling like Angels feeling. We're like, oh, my God. It's. I didn't think it'd be from all different directions. It's Everybody is doing it. It's too much. Like, you. Like, you made a great point, Carlos. Housewives. You had the funny one, the shady one, the classy one, the lion one, the. The one that's gonna twerk, the one that's gonna, like, pop off over here when this thing gets said. The one that's gonna be bring comedy. Right now you got six wannabe Giselles or six wannabe Ninis or six wannabe whatevers. Everyone's trying so hard to be that girl. And in that, you're, like, losing your what made you dope. Like, let Giselle be had that lane. But, like, everyone doing it. It's like I can't keep up with who's who. Everyone's doing too much. And it's like, I. And I started off. I love this show. I'm a new fan of the show. Like, I think Potomac is dope as hell. I don't think it's over.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Claudia Jordan]

But I think everyone's on 10 right now. Everyone's on 10. When you need some eights, you need some sixes, you need some fives, you need some threes, and that's gonna make your show a 10. But when it's. Everyone's trying to be the. Everyone's can't be Beyonce. Okay? There's gotta be. He's gotta be a little bit. A little everything. And that's what makes it be, like, fit dope. Imagine on this show if all three of us try to do the same thing every single show. What makes this show work is we all know I'm gonna say some fucking wild. That's gonna be borderline offensive. We know Dustin gonna cuss your ass out when the comments go some way, but he's gonna know every single fact. I can't be Dustin. I cannot do what Dustin does. And Dustin wouldn't be as reckless and unprofessional as I am. And then we have Carlos, who blushes when his wild friends children go left. But that's what makes it like, the fans know. We know Carlos, look at Carl's face when Dustin says this. Look Claudia's chomp at the to say something. Is she hating on Portia? Then we know Dustin's gonna say, you know, we know he's gonna come with his stuff, but that's what makes it work. We fit together like a puzzle. If every single show, all three of us was trying to read down, like, how I do every single time, y' all would turn. Turn this off. If every single show, we always empathetic, like, How Carlos is to everybody. No, I love the girls. I can't. If every show we. Carlos and I tried to out. Dustin. Dustin at what he knows and does and no. Well, in 1997.

[Carlos King]

Maybe the historian.

[Claudia Jordan]

Honey, y' all would turn this off so fast. It's just like this show.

[Carlos King]

Yeah, go ahead, Dustin. Let's get your thoughts on it. Because we're talking about what we're seeing when it comes to the cast and what we. What we brought up was even Jazzy and Tia. And we love Jazzy. And listen, every girl's gonna get it once. Jazzy, I love you, baby. It's your turn. It's okay, it's okay. I felt like Jazzy overly acted with her response. Up with the fork and saying, you need to watch. And I was like, too much. It was too much. But Dustin, what are your thoughts?

[Dustin Ross]

It's real simple, y'.

[Carlos King]

All.

[Dustin Ross]

Some. We don't even have to try to reinvent the wheel, right? Somebody being mad in an argument is only entertaining when they're actually mad and upset. Right. When the is really pissed off, that's when that's interesting to watch. Heightening your. Your. Your. The tone of your voice and pointing in people's face and stuff. When there's no real context that warrants that behind it, it doesn't land well with the audience. And that's just what happened. Rookie mistake. You know, Jazzy is. This is her second season on the show. She's contributed a lot to the franchise, honestly, as a friend of the show, and so it'll be interesting to see her move forward. But what we don't need are some, you know, feigned, made up ass arguments over Tia saying that the guy that Jazzy said or who's. Who was it? Or Kiana said he had two teeth and two dreads. Right. We don't need one of the guys.

[Carlos King]

Who work at the. The location.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, okay. And so she said one of the dreads was in his pocket. But I, you know, we don't need to see a made up argument about that. We just don't. And it fell flat. That's a lesson, though. I guarantee you this. Jazzy strikes me as the type of woman that will pay attention to that. She'll see she's gonna edit herself and give herself notes. So she'll see that. She'll watch it herself and see that it did not land well and she won't do that anymore.

[Claudia Jordan]

You're mad because one of your girls like, oh, girl, the wait is flirting with your girl. Oh, your man, better look out. That is like something that you would laugh at for two cycles with your friend and move on. You would never in real life bring that over to the next day and be, oh, you said that 14 days before my wedding. Are you okay? I'd be like, I'd be like, girl, are you okay?

[Dustin Ross]

What a matchup we got, y'.

[Carlos King]

All.

[Dustin Ross]

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[Carlos King]

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[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

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[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

We mix two of our favorite things, food and history. Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostrakon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way. Bring back the ostracon. And because we've got a very mi.

[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Carlos King]

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[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

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[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Carlos King]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Carlos King]

This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back to into the show. Claudia's right. And you're right too, Dustin. It was, it was, it was way too much. I do agree it's a rookie mistake. I still want Jaz to get her flew, but it was a rookie mistake. But again, I think we're all saying, ladies, we all love y' all individually, but let y' all play y' all role when it comes to this ensemble team. And Claudia Clockman, she's talking about the three of us. The three of us work well together because we're all individuals. I do want to get into Giselle versus KK in this whole Wendy thing. So Keanu said that she was upset that she did not hear from Giselle when the altercation happened and how Giselle said that she was the aggressor in the situation. Giselle got vulnerable and said that happened around the time my father had a brain cancer tumor. And she was dealing with the fact that he did pass away because Wendy did spill the beans that KK hated Giselle. Although I love you, Dr. Wendy. However, Kiana never said the word hated. And even when Wendy said it in person in her confessionals, she didn't say hate. But it's how I took it. Again, the game of telephone really got the best from them in that situation. But, Dustin, what are your thoughts on that whole Giselle and Kiana and Wendy trifecta?

[Dustin Ross]

I'm going with Kiana with this one. I thought that that was horrible what happened to her when the girl that Deborah. That's the lady's name.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

Started all that in the first place. Deborah came on that cast hanging around, begging for scraps, trying to film. And she came on that cast, started all that. And that was a brawl. And I know that Kiana watching Kiana on this show when she appeared as a guest previously, what we've seen thus far, although feisty, although, you know, a little hot tempered at times, she's not a violent person. And she was not the aggressor in that fight. We all saw that cell phone footage. We all saw the whole situation. And Kiana was not the aggressor. Giselle was wrong as hell. They do that was Giselle doing that, that she always does, that makes people have issues with her regarding it, that her and Robin were notorious for doing that, taking other people's size twists, twisting people's words, looking at through a up lens, that's all there was. Kiana was not the aggressor in that fight. She was defending herself against that girl that wanted to be a part of that show and set up there and lied on Candace's husband saying that he was and lied on Eddie. You know, this is not a trustworthy person. And so if I was Kiana, that would have pissed me off too. And I would have told Giselle how I felt about it as well. Now I do have, of course, empathy and grace for Giselle losing her father. And you are a person who you're out of your head when you're dealing with grief like that, and you might do and say things that typically are not, you know, normal for you to do, but that kind of is what Giselle always does. And so I. The correlation of the two, you know, I'll give her grace for that, but it still was not surprising. And it doesn't seem like a result of her grieving. It seems like typical Giselle. Shit.

[Claudia Jordan]

Damn. I had a situation like this with a friend of mine where it was very, very, very similar, except it wasn't death. But, like, my friend. I'll say her name because it's one of my dear friends, my girl Tony, that lives here in Dallas. I was going through my breakup with the coach, and I was very, very devastated because it came out of nowhere, right? And my friend Tony was going through a divorce. We both felt like each other wasn't there for each other, because I think we're both Aries, too. So we both, I think, put on this.

[Dustin Ross]

I'm good.

[Carlos King]

I don't.

[Claudia Jordan]

I'm not tripping, but while secretly home devastated. Right? So we didn't talk for, like, six months. And all it took was one conversation where she got to hear how I. Where I was mentally, and I got to hear what she was, and we both realized, damn.

[Carlos King]

You know what I'm saying?

[Claudia Jordan]

Like, it's easy to feel like you weren't there for me, but then you have to put yourself in other people's shoes. Yes. That is a Giselle thing, from what you. I hear. Right. But we got to give her a pass a little, because her dad did pass and kill us one, right? On this one, we can talk about other ones, but on this one, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna be as receptive or even paying attention to what you got going on right now. And if my dad's nice to you, my dad dies. And then also for k. I'm not even probably thinking about what you're going through, because all I'm thinking about is this. Try to fight me at a club, and where were you, and why was you taking her side? I get both. They both have valid points. But I will say, stepping back, you know, it is hard to be empathetic for someone else when you're going through your. And I'm. I. I honestly think that that was a conversation that's going to change the trajectory of their friendship. If they both were keeping it a buck in that country. Yeah, I do think they were. I think they're gonna. I think we're gonna see a better relationship now. Moving forward.

[Dustin Ross]

I hope that's good.

[Carlos King]

I agree with that. Justin, how many minutes you got?

[Dustin Ross]

I'm good, I'm good.

[Carlos King]

Okay. All right. So one of the things that we have to get into. And this is where we're gonna bring an angel.

[Dustin Ross]

Like 10? I'm sorry, like 10.

[Carlos King]

Okay, we'll do this real quick. So one of the things that I want to get into is the fact that angel was talking to Jazzy. Jazzy. This is where I want to give you props. Jazzy as a human being. Okay. Although I feel like all conversations need to happen on camera, but hey, as a human being, I'm with you, sister. So with that being said, Jazzy had an off camera conversation while the crew was on break where she did tell angel that a woman who is a current WAG that is wise and girlfriends of athletes and sports stars DM'd her to say that angel is a mean girl and to watch out for her. Did angel call this woman a snagatooth?

[Claudia Jordan]

Yes.

[Dustin Ross]

Stringy haired.

[Carlos King]

Angel. I like you off camera.

[Claudia Jordan]

If you kept that same energy, she would. We wouldn't be having half the conversation about Angel. Like, she needs to keep that. We like that Angel.

[Carlos King]

I like that Angel. Okay, so with that being said, Jazzy is getting her bachelor party on. Ashley licks the Adam's apple off of Jazzy.

[Claudia Jordan]

Not the Adam's apple. First of all, Shade women don't have Adam levels.

[Carlos King]

Oh, I'm sorry. The throat.

[Claudia Jordan]

No, no, no.

[Carlos King]

I didn't pass biology in high school.

[Claudia Jordan]

Carlos, you are in the community. You know, a damn Adams apple.

[Carlos King]

I was studying chemistry. Okay, my bad.

[Claudia Jordan]

You tried it.

[Carlos King]

Okay, shut up. I've learned something today, thank you very much. Okay, with that being said, all that's happening, and then it comes up that Jazzy is being confronted by angel because Giselle and the girl see that Angel's not herself. Wendy's like, what happened while y' all were on the golf cart? Angel proceeds to tell them what Jazzy said. And then, honey, angel said that this woman alleged that she stole, what, $30,000 or tried to steal $30,000 from her husband Bobby while they were dating and wasn't taking birth control. All these wild accusations. And then she left the room and called Bobby and started crying. I was so confused by that, because for me, it bothered angel so much that she just wasn't the same after hearing. Hearing that information. And I would give Jazzy her prospect the fact that Jazzy did not mention it from the girls. But, Claudia, what were your thoughts on that? Entire situation. And do you think, like, angel is. Is a fit to have these confrontational conversations?

[Claudia Jordan]

Those think she's unfit. Yes, she is. She's not healed from whatever's going on. Like, her esteem, it seems to be in the toilet again. I hope you this doesn't hurt your feelings, Angel, I'm not trying to, but I think you needed maybe another year after your baby before going and doing a show like this. It's too rough for you. And every single show, we're saying she's not herself. Well, now I don't know what herself is, because every. I don't. Because every show, there's a time where she's good, then she's not. She's good that she's not. And I hate that. That's gotta feel like. You can say Jazzy did a solid by not saying it on camera, but she did tell her on the trip. Girl, if you weren't gonna tell that on camera, you could have waited till y' all got home and just called her on the phone because it definitely ruins the vibe of the. Of the trip. You know, we've seen her enough. Time to know once you give her some news like that, she's going to have an attitude. She's going to retract. She's going to, like, she's going to go inside her head. She's not going to be fun anymore. Like, it's going to be. She going to talk for a minute, and then 10 minutes later, she's going to be sad. Right. I just think she's just, like. She's just very fragile right now. And I think she cares so much about what these women think of her that everything feels like it's on 10 for her. And then the girls don't help it either, because they do kind of poke fun. They see weakness and like a wild pack. Well, no, let me not say that. Like, ah, how can I can't say without being offensive. So let me not say it. When people are in groups, group think mob mentality. Like, when they feel like one is like, kind of like limping behind, they gonna go for you. And you. You see, like, they're not really that empathetic. Oh, for a minute, are you okay? But then they're going, ah, she mad again. You know, like, they don't really care for her. They don't care.

[Dustin Ross]

She ain't talking about Claudia. That's why it's not like she's talking about. When Giselle talked about losing her father, we cared about that. People cared about that. They Were sensitive to that angel getting mad because somebody called Jazzy talking about her. Sorry. We got real. All the going on in the world today. Okay. And then we supposed to feel what for her crying about that? You know what I'm saying? If anything, let's focus on the comedy. When she walked out, when she left out the bridal shower, which. Can you. Bachelorette party. Can you imagine if some had a bachelor party and got to licking on each other's chests and pouring shots on each other's chests and on camera? The world would implode. But I thought it was hilarious that they just fell right into all that. And it was just fun. But anyway.

[Carlos King]

Yeah. By the way, love that moment.

[Dustin Ross]

Yes. Love it. When she walked out, did y' all see that angel wing? You know, she had the wings in that halo on, so when she had been sitting in that chair, apparently.

[Carlos King]

Yeah. So when she walked out the room.

[Dustin Ross]

She walked out in a. In a huff. That wing was bent. It looked like a chicken wing. It was bent up, so. And all I could think about was sparkle. Remember in the movie Sparkle, sister can't fly on one wing. I was like, you can't fly on one wing, baby. You have an angel having a hard time. And if she would just lighten the up and have fun a little bit, like, damn. Everything doesn't have to be a emotionally damning moment.

[Claudia Jordan]

Like, just everything's a thing. And my thing is this. If you're a wife of an athlete, anyone that's ever dated an athlete or a celebrity or reality star or is one yourself, you have got to have thicker skin than that. When you first date an athlete, all the girls that want him or that was in his roster or whatever. I don't know if he did have one or not, but there's gonna always be a lot of girls that are gonna be mad and comfy. I'm surprised this ain't old news to her by now. Like me, I'm used to being called. They gonna call me. Oh, a hoe. Lonely cat lady broke. It does not fail. It don't. It can't still bother me at this point, right? It can't. So bother me. Like, you gotta just. At this point, like, girl, so what? I mean, the man married you. I don't think he'd marry you if you. If he really thought that he. You stole $30,000 from him and try to trap him into a baby. So at the end of the day, Angel, I think you don't realize how much you're really winning in real life. And you're so worried about what these people think and the Internet. And I think that you're not even like, present for your blessings. You had a husband that's a good looking man. I'm not trying to get at him that loves you. A child. You're on a popping reality show.

[Dustin Ross]

She's pretty, she's got a sexy body.

[Claudia Jordan]

And she's so busy worrying about what she don't have or what people are thinking about her that she's not enjoying her life. You have a very blessed life, angel. I hope you receive this. You are worried too much about what the popular kids at high school think. And I think that's gonna be your downfall. And I hope you can get out of your head and enjoy this. Like, I wish I can go back to my one season of Housewives and maybe like, you know, I mean, like, it was fun. When you look back at it and like, not everything can't be so serious, my friend. Like, I feel bad for you. I do. I feel like you need a homegirl on there. You need a Claudia Jordan. Like what Claudia did for Kenya on season seven to come and help you out. Because you don't have it on that.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. And further to your point, you. You did that. Fun. I remember in season seven, we talked on the phone when y' all were in Puerto Rico.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

You had tore Nini's ass up. We talked on the phone about it. And you were laughing.

[Claudia Jordan]

I was. I wasn't.

[Dustin Ross]

Afterward, Claudia was laughing that same damn day. So that she did like you had.

[Claudia Jordan]

I got called a half breed, a bankrupt, a my left my body. Y' all was coming for my bob. But my hair was the only real hair in sight. Me and Carlos King were the only ones in real hair. Yeah, they all had that. They all had 27 piece bust downs. Y' all had. Y' all had all kinds of a lace front, a closure. I don't know none of that. I had my real short hair that was shoulder length and it was humid, so I curled that up because the ends get frizzy. But real hair reacts differently than fake hair. Fake hair will be smooth and silky in the most Amazon of Amazonian forest. But fake, real hair is going to react. It's going to react, it's going to get. So yes, I had a bootleg bob and I think that was mad funny. Imagine still being upset about that. I'm not. But yeah, Carlos, Carlos me the only one with real hair now why now?

[Carlos King]

Why am I in it? At the end of the day? I Will say this, I will say this.

[Claudia Jordan]

Look at you.

[Carlos King]

Actually you adusted raise a really good point because.

[Claudia Jordan]

Oh, look at. Wait, wait, wait. Real quick. Let's see the shirt. There's no black on there now, right?

[Carlos King]

No. First of all, girl, it never was.

[Claudia Jordan]

You evolved. You couldn't do that before. Look at you.

[Carlos King]

Like how Whitney whose wig did. Like how whose wig did Whitney touch and did this too. I forgot who it was.

[Dustin Ross]

Aretha Franklin did that to Whitney.

[Carlos King]

Divas. So there we go. Yeah, yeah. No, okay. So angel, honestly, listen to Claudia. We gotta run. But I will say this. You're really listen, we have fun on this show. But I really do hope that because I think you guys know that all the girls watch this.

[Dustin Ross]

What's up y'? All?

[Claudia Jordan]

Hi. Don't be mad at us. We just trying to get.

[Dustin Ross]

No, it's all.

[Carlos King]

What I want to end by saying is this. I really believe Claudia is giving some great advice and Dustin bringing this up. I, I, I, I really think, I hope angel watches and listens. And if she is asked back for a second season, take heed. I don't know too many women on reality television that can be, that can set your clit left your body and, and to be to, to have that back and forth exchange and to leave that table because mind you me, the producers were back there screaming, laughing, we've never seen anything like it. And the girl, Portia and Faith just said, carlos, can you shut up? We can hear your. The audio person said, carlos, can you stop laughing? We can hear you. That's how funny it was. But for the woman on the receiving end to call Dustin afterwards and laugh at being having that exchange, it goes to show you that look. Yes, be yourself. But I think angel has to understand that you leaving these rooms and then calling Bobby, that's not what's going to make you great. It reminds me of, you know, when Tanya from season eight just wasn't present because she was overthinking. And I love Tonya. Listen, being a reality starts a hard gig. It's not easy. But I feel like angel, you have everything it takes to be a great one. And if you are asked back for a second season, I really do hope you take Claudia and Dustin's advice. And it's like, have, have fun. Just have fun and just know that you are there to be you and you are there to defend yourself in the moment and not walk off from it.

[Claudia Jordan]

So she shows moments of that. She has it in her. She shows moments of that. But yeah, I, I think she's too. Whoever is emotionally involved, invested, loses the argument. The reason why I was like that with mine was I didn't give a. I wasn't a fan of no one. I wasn't looking at anybody. Like, they were larger than life. I think because she was a fan and really watched the show from the beginning, she may be a little bit intimidated. Like, well, that's Giselle. Well, that's Wendy. So she can't, like, pop up like she's in her head too much.

[Dustin Ross]

You better wake the up then, because that is not serving her, wouldn't you say? It's time to pop your head out of your ass, angel, and get in the paint.

[Claudia Jordan]

It's time to listen to some Kendrick Lamar.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. Play some Trina. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Carlos King]

I love it. Angel, we love you and we're rooting for you. Go ahead, Dustin.

[Dustin Ross]

Sorry, but before we go, because y' all know I gotta go. Reasonable Doubt on Hulu. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. The sister or the mama did it. I see. Didn't do it. It was either that sister or his mama that killed that girl. Killed the girl Wendy on there. Number two. What was the other show you brought up? It was reasonable about another show.

[Carlos King]

All fair.

[Dustin Ross]

All fair. Love it. First of all, I love Ryan Murphy. Anyway, anything Niecy Nash is in, you know, I'm watching it. That's just cold. We watch Niecy Nash and it's a good show. Kim Kardashian's acting, of course, I didn't expect to see her being Viola Davis or Meryl Streep, you know what I'm saying? But the show is good. It's shot beautifully, it's interesting, it's hilarious. And Sarah Paulson is.

[Claudia Jordan]

So they were hating on the show because they were trying to give it, like, zero, right?

[Carlos King]

Thing is this. It's because. Look, look, no shade. And Dustin, the slogan. You. You have to. All right, all right. Thank you.

[Dustin Ross]

I love you all.

[Carlos King]

Okay, bye. So no. So, Claudia, the thing is this. It is. What Dustin is saying is one of those things where the weight is on Kim because she's number one. The call.

[Claudia Jordan]

She.

[Carlos King]

And look, she's not this Academy Award winning actress, and she. But she does have Glenn Close, Niecy Nash, Sarah Paulson, Naomi Watts, Teyana Taylor around her, and it's campy and it's soapy. So I like it. But yeah, they're panning the show, and her, I like.

[Claudia Jordan]

Yeah, it's because they put her front side. Maybe they probably would receive it better if they didn't put her front and center and probably put her.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Claudia Jordan]

Fourth on the call. She. Because then they'd be like, oh. And then the fans could be pleasantly surprised. Like, oh, she's hanging with them.

[Carlos King]

Instead of like American Horror Story. Emma Roberts carried the show. She was number on the call. She, Kim was like number three or two. But they raised her acting skills in that show because she wasn't carrying the show.

[Claudia Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, I gotta watch it. I gotta check it out. So you gotta come to New York on Friday. Maybe.

[Carlos King]

Well, look, we'll see what happens. But I'll call you.

[Claudia Jordan]

You know what they're gonna say. I'm begging you to hang out. If you don't.

[Carlos King]

You're not begging me. No, send me the details.

[Claudia Jordan]

You ain't coming. You got something to do. Seriously, when a man's voice goes up like that, he's lying. Remember, I read Body Language. Raindrop next Monday we'll let you know if we talk out in New York.

[Carlos King]

I can't wait to gag you. I'm going to see you.

[Claudia Jordan]

Oh, I want to be gagged. It's been a long time since I gagged.

[Carlos King]

On that note, Raindrops, I love you. Have a great night and we'll see y' all on the next one.

[Claudia Jordan]

Bye bye.

[Carlos King]

Reality with the King is executive producer produced by me, Carlos King, produced by Lizzy Nimitz and a partnership with the Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King underscore.

[Dustin Ross]

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[Claudia Jordan]

Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio.

[Carlos King]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved.

[Claudia Jordan]

For years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came.

[Carlos King]

Forward with a story. America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever. Wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free.

[Claudia Jordan]

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[Carlos King]

And I'm Maite Gomez Jejuan. And this week on our podcast Hungry for History, we talk oysters. Plus the Miambi tir stops by.

[Claudia Jordan]

If you are not an oyster lover, don't even talk to me.

[Carlos King]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way. Bring back the ostrichon. Listen to Hungry for history on the.

[Claudia Jordan]

Iheartradio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.