You can’t pray it away? Tim Ross joins Loren LoRosa & Noa Mills in Pt. 2 of convo about about praying away and more!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "You Can’t Pray It Away? Tim Ross, Loren LoRosa & Noa Mills – Pt. 2"

The Breakfast Club | October 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode, hosted by Lauren LaRosa and featuring faith leader Tim Ross and mental health advocate/former Miss Delaware USA 2023 Noa Mills, dives deep into the ongoing stigma around mental health in faith-based communities. The conversation centers on why the belief that you can simply "pray away" serious psychological pain is both unrealistic and harmful, and explores practical, compassionate approaches to healing—blending faith, therapy, and vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Challenging the “Pray It Away” Mentality

(03:46 – 08:37)

• Lauren LaRosa opens with the pervasive idea in faith communities: "We've all been told, just get down and pray, baby. That don’t work. And we gonna talk about it.”
• Tim Ross shares the struggle of turning his church’s culture away from quick-fix prayers toward creating “safe spaces” for vulnerability:
  • “In church, we want to deal with present and future… but if we don’t deal with this in the past, it’s gonna mess up your present and your future.” (04:12)
  • He recounts his own trauma of being sexually abused at 8, explaining how real healing only began when he could process and verbalize the pain:
    • “I had been in silence for 11 years. The 8-year-old finally got to tell mommy where it hurt… My mom, my dad, me and my brother, we all got free. Because we wasn’t trying to pray away nothing. We was processing pain.” (05:44)
    • On prayer: “We are telling people to pray before they have time to process. And I can’t properly pray until we have processed exactly what’s going on.” (07:04)
  • He critiques vague prayer requests:
    • “You don’t do this to your dentist. You don’t do this to your doctor. But you come down to the altar and then we’re vague... Whatever doesn’t come up and out of your mouth will come up and out through your body.” (07:52)

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2. Turning Setbacks Into Spiritual and Emotional Growth

Audience Q&A: The "Turnaround" Moment
(09:03 – 13:11)

• A listener (Shawn A.) asks about Ross’s business departure and his mental health.
  • Tim Ross vulnerably shares how he moved forward after leaving a business he started with a friend. A sermon on Joshua 9 led him to hear God say:
    • “You mistook your friend’s provision as God’s confirmation. Provision is not a word from God.” (10:44 – 11:30)
  • He admits to embarrassment and his struggle trusting himself spiritually post-failure:
    • “I didn’t feel guilt or shame. But afterwards, I didn’t trust myself… I move with the fleeces of Gideon right now. Please, Holy Spirit, don’t be mad that I’m gonna need 18 confirmations before I think this is you again.” (12:14)

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3. Navigating Obedience, Visibility, and Authenticity as an Introvert

(17:02 – 20:58)

• Lauren LaRosa asks how to handle the discomfort of public obedience vs. her introverted tendencies, especially as her content shifts to heavier, faith-based material.
  • Tim Ross assures her she’ll lose audience members but reframes the shift as an “assignment”:
    • “Approach it with the mindset of an assignment. I am doing this intentionally because I know that this is what God has me to do… When I’m done doing this, I get to disappear, right?” (18:32)
  • On recharging:
    • “I recharge alone. I don’t recharge in a room full of people.” (19:39)
  • Notably candid about boundaries with popularity and honesty around introversion.

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4. Finding Your Audience & Tackling Imposter Syndrome

(21:00 – 26:21)

• Tim Ross discusses having a “target audience” and why even Jesus focused his ministry.
  • “Who are you called to reach?… The whole city don’t like you… Jesus had a target audience. If you don’t focus on nobody, you ain’t gonna reach nobody.” (21:40 – 22:40)
  • He shares the specific archetypes he’s always had in mind as a speaker.
  • About imposter syndrome:
    • “At 50 years old, where does my imposter syndrome creep in? Why am I talking to these people?… It is what He has called you to do. And don’t make it deeper than your sonship with God.” (24:29)

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5. Redefining Yourself in New Seasons

(30:02 – 32:24)

• A listener asks about navigating identity and purpose during life transitions.
  • Noa Mills draws from her experience coping with clinical depression and family trauma.
  • Encouragement: “As it’s confusing to you, as you don’t know what’s next… it’s not a shock to God. He’s charted your path way before you got to this season… Have peace over the fact that you’re not God and you do not have to be.” (31:21 – 32:24)

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6. Friendship, Support, and the Ministry of Showing Up

(32:24 – 35:53)

• Lauren LaRosa and a close friend of Noa Mills discuss the difficulty of letting people in during hardship.
  • Noa Mills explains what it means to be a Christlike support:
    • “There are times where you have to be the Christ to your neighbor. You sincerely have to take responsibility for the people in your community… When it’s about mine, I’m at the door.” (33:42)
    • Practical advice: “If she doesn’t have any, anything but tears, well, I guess I’m supposed to sit here… In my heart, to honor God, you have to make sure that the people in your life, if you love them like you say you do, be about it.” (34:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Ross: “We are telling people to pray before they have time to process. And I can’t properly pray until we have processed exactly what’s going on.” (07:04)
• Tim Ross: "You mistook your friend’s provision as God’s confirmation. Provision is not a word from God." (10:44 – 11:30)
• Tim Ross: “Approach it with the mindset of an assignment... When I’m done doing this, I get to disappear.” (18:32)
• Tim Ross: “Jesus had a target audience... If you don’t focus on nobody, you ain’t gonna reach nobody.” (22:40)
• Noa Mills: “As it’s confusing to you... it’s not a shock to God. He’s charted your path way before you got to this season… Have peace over the fact that you’re not God and you do not have to be.” (31:21 – 32:24)
• Noa Mills: “If she doesn’t have any, anything but tears, well, I guess I’m supposed to sit here.” (34:20)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Challenging "Pray It Away": 03:46 – 08:37
• Business/Spiritual Failure & Recovery: 09:03 – 13:11
• Obedience, Introversion, and Assignment: 17:02 – 20:58
• Audience, Imposter Syndrome, and Sonship: 21:00 – 26:21
• Navigating Life Shift & Depression: 30:02 – 32:24
• Real Friendship & Support: 32:24 – 35:53

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Tone and Approach

The episode is authentic and vulnerable, blending humor, real-life pain, and practical wisdom. Tim Ross’s storytelling is direct and unguarded; Noa Mills exudes warmth and empathy; and Lauren LaRosa guides with relatability and curiosity, making space for both serious reflection and empowerment.

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Final Thoughts

For listeners, this episode is both a challenge and an invitation: faith and healing aren't in conflict, and the courage to process pain—in community and with professional help—is vital. Supporting each other practically, not just spiritually, is what makes the journey endurable and meaningful.

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Transcript

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[Tim Ross]

Let's get to it. Time to do it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody.

[Tim Ross]

You know she don't lie about that, right?

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[Lauren LaRosa]

Hey guys, what's up? It's Lauren LaRosa and this is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture. Entertainment news and all of the conversations that shake the room, baby. Now today we are getting back into another part of a conversation that I had with spiritual leader, podcaster, faith leader Tim Ross and Noah Mills, who is a mental health Advocate and former Miss Delaware USA 2023. But this time we talking about the fact that you cannot pray it away. Now, a lot of y' all know what I'm talking about when it comes to mental health things, when it comes to things you're dealing with, when it comes to the things that you were just going to the people and saying, hey, I need some help about. We all been told, just get down and pray, baby, that don't work. And we gonna talk about it. Talk a bit about. Cause I know, Tim, you know, you've been very intentional about even how you talk about therapy and comparing it to like regular health checkups.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

And doing this in your church. Pray it away has been here for a very, very long time. What's been your battle with trying to turn the conversation away from praying away in your church to get people into a space where they understand that no, something's wrong.

[Tim Ross]

Yeah. Trying to create safe spaces in church. I don't know why this is so difficult. It's a major frustration for me because in church we want to deal with present and future, like get saved. See what God did and what he's gonna do, right? We quick to Jeremiah 29:11, everybody go get tattoos. Jeremiah 29:11. For I know the good things that I have for you, said the Lord, and, and it's like if we don't deal with this in the past, it's gonna mess up your present and your future. But if you don't have a safe space to say what it is, then you can't even look. I got. I was sexually abused by an older teenage boy when I was eight years old. Okay. For like a six month period of time. This. The only way to endure that kind of trauma at 8 years old was to disassociate. So I was never present in my body because I had to survive my trauma. So I just disappeared. I just. I'm gonna play basketball later. Let me think about that until this is over. So now I'm saved. All that trauma's still in my body and I'm supposed to pray. What a way. Where. Where is it going? I was sexualized at 8. Where is that going? So I needed a safe space. The safe space was created in my parents house who were both pastors by vocationally for 15 years. My mom caught me looking at porn at 2 o' clock in the morning, very embarrassing. When I tell you caught, this is.

[Lauren LaRosa]

1990.

[Tim Ross]

This is VCR, VHS, Vox TV caught. This ain't on your phone. You swiped up real quick. This is fumbling with the remote. You like, mommy went to the room to pray. Cause that's who she is. Mommy went to the room to pray. After I cleaned myself up, I walked into that room. I was a 19 year old young man. But the 8 year old finally talked to his mommy. I had been in silence for 11 years. The 8 year old finally got to tell mommy where it hurt. My younger brother had been abused by the same guy. And then now it's a family emergency. At probably like by 4 o' clock in the morning, my mom, my dad, me and my brother, we all got free. Because we wasn't trying to pray away nothing. We was processing pain. And after we had got everything up and out, now we knew exactly what to pray for. We are telling people to pray before they have time to process. And I can't properly pray until we have processed exactly what's going on. So if you can't tell me where it's hurt, if the church could just get away, if we could just throw away unknown prayer requests or unspoken prayer requests. Cuz after I got free, people will come down to the altar crying. Like you can tell the trauma is in their body. And, and then I'm like, what do you want prayer for? Whatever the, whatever the Lord shows you. He about to show me nothing. I'm not wasting my discernment on you. Because you won't do this to your dentist. You don't do this to your doctor. You will walk in there and be like, I got some pus coming out. But then you come down to the altar and then we're vague. Just, you know, I've just been struggling this week with what? Say it. Because whatever doesn't come up and out of your mouth will come up and out through your body. And we don't want to send you home the same way you came. But if you can't say it. And the church, I know we've said the church is a hospital, we, but we also have to have altar workers who are not frightened by sickness. It would be crazy for a doctor to find out you got the flu.

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[Tim Ross]

That, you got the flu. So we have to stop being shocked by sin, the sicknesses that sin manifest.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So I hope, I want to take the time to open up for audience questions now. You can just come to the mic.

[Noah Mills]

Can you hear me now? Yes.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

You were on the leader's cut, and you were talking about how you started the basement act, right? And you have provision, right? And you realize when you were at your friend's church, if he didn't tell you to do that, right? And you said that you started meeting and you realized that you had to turn around. Did you receive a command from God and then a directive, or did you just know the turnaround and what toll did that take or if any, on your mental health? Did you feel shame? Did you have to combat that? And then how did you go about it?

[Tim Ross]

People around you. Okay, so thank you so much. Give me your name. Shawn A. Shawn A. I love you. Okay, so I got to give y' all context to this very, very quickly before I answer this question. So I started a business with my friend and business partner in late 2023. We started this company, and by January of 25, I had to depart from the company. And I was very angry. It was very hurtful. The way we had to go our separate ways was really on my nerves. Anyway, in July, while I'm on my sabbatical, my friend Chris Durso has to preach at a church. And he preaches this message called. Oh, I have it written down. Well, let me give you the chapter Joshua. Chapter number nine is where Joshua goes into covenant with the Gibeonites, but he does not consult the Lord. Okay, so while I'm listening to this message that Chris is preaching, the Holy Spirit says to me, you didn't consult me before you started that company, and that's why it's failed. You did not get a word from me. And I was like, you know that ugly cry that comes instantaneously when the Lord corrects you. So not only am I, obviously, as a son, I'm thankful for the Lord's correction because he disciplines those that he loves. Secondly, though, I was so embarrassed, like, how did I miss you? Like, I try to be so careful. How did I miss you? And what he said was, you mistook your friend's provision. Because my friend was a multimillionaire, you mistook his provision as God's confirmation. And I grew up in a Pentecostal church that says, where there is vision, there is provision. And he said, you mistook his provision as a word from God. But, Tim, only a word from God is a word from God. Provision is not a word from God. And so after I cried and repented and told my wife and told my kids and ultimately told our entire audience Which. That's how y' all found out, right? And my staff and stuff. I dealt. I didn't deal, obviously. I felt very hurt and disappointed that I missed God like that. I didn't feel guilt or shame. But what happened was afterwards, I didn't trust myself for. And to be honest, I still don't trust myself to hear God as confidently as I did in the past. So what I've told the Lord very honestly is I don't trust myself now. Like, I don't move with the faith of Abraham right now. I move with the fleeces of Gideon right now. Please, Holy Spirit, don't be mad that I'm gonna need 18 confirmations before I think this is you again. Because I. I missed it so bad. I just. I just want to know that this is you for real. For real, for real. So I hope that helps.

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[Tim Ross]

You're welcome.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey. How's it going today?

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[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 2223 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tim Ross]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Tim Ross]

Wow.

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Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

So Tim, really quickly. Now that I hear you speak and see how you act, I completely understand now why people don't believe me when I say I'm introverted. So my question is, as someone who's introverted and navigating a major shift in my content from what I thought my niche would be to what God is now calling me to speak on, how do I reconcile the discomfort of visibility with obedience, especially when the new direction feels emotionally heavier and spiritually deeper May.

[Tim Ross]

I ask some clarifying questions? What was your niche?

[Lauren LaRosa]

My niche? Prior would be more so, like, well, before I got saved, Pastor, I guess you could say. Like, it would look kind of hot, girlish, like, you know, living life. Do I?

[Tim Ross]

Whatever.

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[Tim Ross]

And what is it going to be now?

[Lauren LaRosa]

More centered around, like, mental health, fitness, wellness, a little bit of fitness, and just, like, navigating life while including the Lord, but also understanding that things happen.

[Tim Ross]

Got it. And what is the tension you're struggling with?

[Lauren LaRosa]

So right now, it feels spiritually deeper, emotionally heavier because I am introverted, and I have a tendency to shrink myself because I can be surface level. Like, you may know Lydia. She's sociable, but she's not personable.

[Tim Ross]

Got it. So when you make this transition, you're gonna lose some people, right? Because people meet you in one phase of your life, and that's where they want to keep you. And if you change at all, they're like, you were eating fish, and now you're eating tacos. I don't like you anymore. Unsubscribe right now. Now that you have this assignment, you need to approach it with the mindset of an assignment. I am doing this intentionally because I know that this is what God has me to do. I would rather not be doing this. But obedience is better than sacrifice. So the mindset that you take is not one of like, oh, my gosh, I don't have that mindset when it comes to anything God tells me to do. But I understand this is my assignment. I'm gonna do it. And when I'm done doing this, I get to disappear, right?

[Noah Mills]

Yes.

[Tim Ross]

When I see people in public, I will take all the photos. I will hug. I will do. Because I'm grateful. I'm genuinely grateful that they're watching the content. They don't need to know that they're wearing me out. All of y' all right now are wearing me out. You're just sitting, looking, and I'm tired of all of you right now. But I will hug all of y' all and tell you I love you and mean it, but just the way that I'm wired. I recharge alone. I don't recharge in a room full of people. I recharge by myself. So when my son and I get back to the hotel room, he's gonna watch Cory Kitchen, and I'm going to watch something else on YouTube. I'll probably catch another Sopranos episode, and we're gonna chill out. So just make sure that your assignment, does it become Something you think you're obligated to be. You are not your assignment. You are doing your assignment. So I hope that helps. How you doing, Tim? Took two hours just to come make sure I sold you today, so. Yeah. Thank you, bro. What's your name? My name is Ebony McNeil. It's a pleasure to meet you, man. I love you. Thank you.

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[Tim Ross]

So first thing is I'm actually a mental health therapist, so this was near and dear to me. Thank you. Thank you for the work you do because you saved our lives.

[Noah Mills]

Right.

[Tim Ross]

But something you said earlier about trying to impress the wrong people.

[Dan Morgan]

And one thing I've noticed when I'm.

[Tim Ross]

Doing their clients, and actually that's experienced it myself a lot recently, is understanding who your audience is. How do you think that equates with a lot of us when we are starting to follow the right path, getting imposter syndrome and wondering if we're actually doing what we're supposed to be doing? Are we worthy of doing that? Yeah. So I, I am a big believer in having a target audience. I have never, not had a target audience, ever. The reason why I have now, we don't like those, that, that kind of language in church because it feels very businessy and corporatey like, like you ask a church, you know, ask a leader. I'll ask a leader of a church. Who are you called to reach? I'm called to reach the whole city. The whole city don't like you. And even if they did, the building ain't big enough. So you're not, you're delusional. You don't have a target. Jesus had a target audience. His target audience wasn't us. It wasn't gentiles. It was the lost sheep of Israel. And because he focused on them, we all got in. If you don't focus on nobody, you ain't gonna reach nobody. Right. So you have to know who your target audience is. I'm gonna give you my. Who my two target audiences were. And then I.

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[Tim Ross]

Yeah, was and is. And then I'll give you the imposter syndrome part. So when I was a lead pastor, for the seven years that I was a lead pastor, I was Talking to a 30 year old biracial girl whose father was black and whose mother was white. She had a master's level education and she loved God and was looking for community. That's who I preached to every weekend. I wasn't preaching to nobody else. I was preaching to a light skinned biracial chick every weekend. And the Church was filled from 20 year olds to 80 year olds because I was talking to her. My theology was for her because she was gonna.

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[Tim Ross]

She was already popular with her friends, so she's gonna bring up friends to church because she was cute. She was gonna get some dude and some dude was gonna come in, not because he liked me, but because he liked her. But when he came in and heard me, he was gonna be like, that nigga real. I'm sorry, pj. Can I do that? I'm so sorry. Please forgive me.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I.

[Tim Ross]

Half a second, Lisa, I know I owe you $100. $200. Yes, ma'.

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[Tim Ross]

I'm going give you three just to make sure. Okay, so. So my. By focusing on her, that's how the church grew. As a podcaster, I'm Talking to a 25 year old guy who doesn't have a dad, and that's all I'm talking to every day. It's a 25 year old who doesn't have a dad. Now at 50 years old, where does my imposter syndrome creep in? Why am I talking to these people? Yeah, surely somebody else can do this. Younger, cooler, more relevant. Why is it me? It shouldn't be me. God, I tried. I think it. My time has passed and the Lord's like, no, I still need you here. Stop playing with me. So it is. It is the. The. You have to. You have to be convinced that this is what he has called you to do. Okay, thank you, Holy Spirit. And don't make it deeper than your sonship with God. Right, Right. Mental health professional, podcaster, Miss Delaware.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Stuff, stuff.

[Tim Ross]

She has so many hyphenates around what she was doing. Let's not make it any bigger than, I'm a son, these are daughters, and we're brothers and sisters. Because if not, then it's like, then it's like, how many followers you got? And, well, my platform's not as big as we all sons and daughters doing what he told us to do in this being. Who told us to do that? So that's how I get over my imposter syndrome. I hope that's helped.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so many cases?

[Dan Morgan]

The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients.

[Podcast Host]

Are insurance companies like actually afraid of you guys?

[Dan Morgan]

We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.

[Tim Ross]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365 wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

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[Podcast Host]

Hey, what's up?

[Mario Lopez]

It's Mario Lopez. Back to school is an exciting time, but it can also be overwhelming and kids may feel isolated, a vulnerability that human traffickers can exploit. Human trafficking doesn't always look like what you expect. Everyday moments can become opportunities for someone with bad intentions. Whether you're a parent, teacher, coach or neighbor. Check in, ask questions, stay connected. Blue Campaign is a national awareness initiative that provides resources to help recognize suspected instances of human trafficking. Learn the signs and how to [e-mail] blue campaign.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Thank you for being here and sharing your wisdom with us and being part of our healing journey. God bless you both. My question is how do you when God is transitioning you through different seasons.

[Noah Mills]

Of life, how do you practical ways.

[Lauren LaRosa]

To basically redefining yourself, setting, finding your place in the world and truly finding the purpose and calling that he has for your life.

[Noah Mills]

In this new season.

[Lauren LaRosa]

He'S giving me.

[Noah Mills]

Spirit fingers to tell me it's me. Yes, I want to say I love your question because I just identify with what you're saying so potently. Before I became Ms. Del, I speak briefly about being in clinical depression for six months that took me out of college and I was so badly upset with God about a season in my life that I didn't understand what he was doing with me. And after I got out of that, I was continuing to do my work and after I was present for the suicide attempt of my younger sibling, a lot of these things, everything kept pointing up and down and one thing will.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Happen bad, one thing will happen great.

[Noah Mills]

One thing would happen bad. I was like, I'm on the right track of am I, what am I doing? What's going on? I have so many questions and one of the things that I want to tell you that I hope encourages your spirit sincerely, is a missed up, down, good, bad, not understanding if this is what I'm supposed to be doing or if it feels right or if it's making sense to me. It's not a shock to God. He has charted your path way before you got to this season, in the last season. He's going to be with you in the next season and every single step that you take as it's Confusing to you as you don't know what's next, as you're concerned about who's leaving and who's coming and why? I don't know what the next step is. God's already counseled you have peace over the fact that you're not God and you do not have to be.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was here for the last panel revolving around friendships, and this question is more specific to Noah. As one of my closest friends, you were a light in my life during one of the lowest points in my life, going through so much mental challenges, fertility issues. You were that one of my. One of my friends that were just there for me. And so this brought me to asking questions about.

[Tim Ross]

I took notes.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Sometimes when we're in a certain kind of pain, it's really hard to let people in, even the ones that you really care about. But how did your faith guide you and showing up for me? Then my question, as pertaining to. For the whole audience, what advice would you give to others in the church who want to support loved ones without making them feel like a burden?

[Noah Mills]

Absolutely. And I love this question. This is Caitlin, everybody. Everybody say, hi, Caitlin. Hi, Caitlin.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

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[Noah Mills]

I love Caitlin. Me and Kaylin have been friends for quite some time, and we get to walk through life together. The same light that she feels. I've been to her, she's been to me. I'm so grateful for you. Thank you for being here today. The faith in me that caused me to show up in your season was.

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[Noah Mills]

My commitment to who God called me to be had nothing to do with your lack of ability to let people in. There are times where you have to be the Christ to your neighbor. You sincerely have to take responsibility for the people in your community. I'm not saying make everybody in this room your responsibility, but your individual, personal circle. When it's about mine, I'm at the door. I don't know about everybody else. And Kaylyn's season that she so shared, transparently not understanding her fertility journey and being diagnosed with endometriosis. She didn't know what every day was going to come with. And sometimes she didn't have the words. I had the understanding from God to go over to her house and bring her food. I had the understanding from God to go over to the house and check on her, to call her, to text her, to make sure she was okay. I'm not asking anybody to go get the moon out of the sky and bring it back. What I am asking you to do is make sure your walk with Christ is applicable in your everyday life. There are some things that we just make way too big of a thing. Nobody asked you to stand on this pulpit next Sunday and come with a sermon. I didn't ask you to jump and do 12 back flips or tumble across the stage or come here with a song and dance. In my private life, I know that I'm assigned to Kalen. So if she doesn't have the words, well, I guess I gotta go figure out what she has to say. If she doesn't have any, anything but tears, well, I guess I'm supposed to sit here. If she guessed, she doesn't know how to say she hasn't eaten today. Well, I'm at least make sure I drop something off just in case you didn't. But in my heart, to honor God, you have to make sure that the people in your life, if you love them like you say you do, be about it. Not in the good seasons, not in the bad seasons, not when it looks fun, not when there's a camera around, not when you oversee and you're there as an opportunity. There would be no need for one another to be in each other's lives if God didn't know we needed each other. Pick a person, walk with them and be about it.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, we are going to end on that note, guys. I've enjoyed just listening to you guys. Both of you guys are amazing. Thank you for joining me. You guys enjoyed the conversation? Yes, thank you so much.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm Lauren LaRosa. This is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. At the end of the day, I tell you guys every episode My Low Riders. Y' all could be anywhere with anybody having a conversation about this but y' all choose to be right here with me. I appreciate y' all for that. I will catch you in my next episode.

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[Podcast Host]

Hey, what's up?

[Mario Lopez]

It's Mario Lopez. Back to school is an exciting time, but it can also be overwhelming and kids may feel isolated, a vulnerability that human traffickers can exploit. Human trafficking doesn't always look like what you expect. Everyday moments can become opportunities for someone with bad intentions, whether you're a parent, teacher, coach or neighbor. Check in, ask questions, stay connected. Blue Campaign is a national awareness initiative that provides resources to help recognize suspected instances of of human trafficking. Learn the signs and how to [e-mail] blue campaign.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

This is an I Heart podcast.