Wicked

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots – "Wicked"

Episode Date: June 5, 2026
Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God & Andrew Schulz

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode of The Brilliant Idiots, Charlamagne and Andrew dive head-first into basketball banter—specifically, the New York Knicks’ playoff run, sports fandom, and the city as a cultural "character." The conversation pivots into an in-depth and slightly conspiratorial discussion about DJ Akademiks, “narrative warfare” on the internet, and coordinated online slander and PR campaigns. They also dissect Jay-Z’s much-talked-about freestyle, the art of responding, legacy battles in hip hop, and the rise of creators in Hollywood.

On-brand for the pod, listeners get equal doses of humor, deep takes, and irreverence, peppered with the hosts' personal anecdotes and real talk about gratitude, success, and narrative control.

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Key Discussion Points

Knicks Playoffs, Sports Fandom & New York as a Character

[01:05–13:14]

• Knicks Playoff Predictions: Charlamagne and Andrew enthusiastically debate whether the Knicks will "win in 6," "sweep," or cede a few games to the Spurs, with both hosts riffing on the team’s mental toughness, key players like Josh Hart and "Cat," and New York pride.
  • "Knicks in 6." (Charlamagne, [01:19])
  • “Knicks team is incredibly tough. We have a real superstar...and real role players that step up in the playoffs.” (Andrew, [04:03])
• Cultural Bias in Basketball: They compare the Knicks’ underdog status to a political brand and criticize dismissals of the East in favor of the West.
  • "The West got better branding because the West had more champions over the last...decade." (Charlamagne, [03:03])
• Sports Cities as Characters: Discussion of New York as an actual "character," versus cities like Boston and Philly—"When I say New York, a picture comes in your mind." (Charlamagne, [10:16])
• Fandom Performances: Touch on performative nature of Knicks fans, contrasting generational suffering and the rights to celebrate ("We're allowed to perform. We've endured this for decades." – Andrew, [09:10])

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Internet Narratives, DJ Akademiks & Slander Campaigns

[22:48–48:10]

• Narrative Warfare & Discords: The hosts break down a bubbling saga involving DJ Akademiks, accusations of coordinated online smear campaigns, Discord groups (“clippers”), and payments for narrative influence.
  • "You only need, like, 30 people to make a comment section look a certain way...if they have five accounts, 50 people becomes 200." (Andrew, [36:37])
  • "None of these campaigns you see against people are organic. They're all coordinated." (Charlamagne, [46:40])
• DJ Akademiks Drama: Charlamagne relays how he gave Akademiks a “heads up” about rumors and allegations (payments from music and political entities for narrative pushing, associates turning “informant”).
  • "I was returning the favor. In media you get tips...usually there’s a lot of stuff that I ignore. This was one I was like, you know what, I'm going to reach out on." (Charlamagne, [24:13])
  • “Sometimes you be in business with people and aren't fully aware of all the things that they may be doing.” (Charlamagne, [28:34])
• Money and Influence in Online Media: How Discord groups and paid campaigns can rapidly shift internet narratives, sometimes blending authenticity with manipulation.
  • "Once the internet becomes a tool of power, why wouldn't the same people in charge not use it to their advantage in the exact same way?" (Andrew, [47:09])
• Political Endorsements: Discuss legal requirements to disclose paid political posts; contrast implications for cultural credibility and audience trust (“You have to disclose every single time, not just make a broad statement.” – Charlamagne, [40:08])
• Light-hearted Calls for Accountability: “Academics, get your people.” (Charlamagne, [48:50])

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Jay-Z’s Freestyle: Brilliance, Response, and Respect

[49:59–68:13]

• Initial Takes: Andrew was “surprised” Jay-Z would address critics—“I thought he was above all this.” Charlamagne counters that Jay has always responded through his art, not interviews or social media.
  • "So you mean to tell me all of these people can get on these podcasts, get on YouTube, say what they want about him...but he's at a concert...he decides to perform and does an acapella freestyle...We're upset?" (Charlamagne, [62:14])
• Freestyle Analysis:
  • Jay-Z’s lines are dissected for shots at Drake and references to broader culture wars and political beefs (“A rapper could never be my ops. I got MAGA Republicans. Them shots came from the very top of the government.” – Read by Charlamagne, [58:53])
  • The hosts clarify perceived hypocrisy in Jay’s lines regarding MAGA/Trump connections and context for Roc Nation CEO’s pardon ([69:15]–[70:25]).
• Art of the Response: Charlamagne underscores Jay’s mastery of responding on his own terms, and the enduring anticipation such moments create: “We want people to react in real time…these people don’t have no control over me. I’ll react when I want to react.” ([65:23])
  • "He understands where he's at in 2026... it's not about the verse. It's about the conversation that is going to come from these verses." (Charlamagne, [68:03])
• Legacy, Battle, and Winning the War:
  • They reflect on historical rap battles (Jay-Z vs. Nas, [72:11]) and how an artist can lose a public battle but win the longer career war.
    • "It's also possible to lose a battle, but then have the more prolific, successful career. I win the war." (Andrew, [73:17])

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Hollywood, Creatorship & “Obsession”

[51:24–56:18]

• Rise of Social Creators in Hollywood: The hosts discuss viral creators-turned-directors (like Kane Parsons for “Back Rooms” and Markiplier’s “Iron Lung”) and Hollywood’s evolution in leveraging creator-driven projects.
  • "If you take a creator and let them create something that's in their vision, their fanbase that loves that creator...will absolutely go support." (Andrew, [53:19])
• Indie Inspiration: Charlamagne celebrates the creative autonomy and success of these creators, comparing their agility to massive traditional productions.
• Review of "Obsession": They delve into the film’s plot, themes of agency and consequence, and the enjoyment of narrative-driven stories over big-budget spectacle.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Charlamagne, Knicks as Underdogs:
  "You can be a good candidate, even a great candidate, but you're part of a party that has such a bad brand...Same thing at the Eastern Conference." ([02:30])
• Andrew, on Fandom ‘Performance’:
  "We're allowed to perform. We've endured this for decades." ([09:10])
• On Internet Coordination:
  "You only need 30 people to make a comment section look a certain way." (Andrew, [36:37])
• On Jay-Z’s Response Artistry:
  "These people don't have no control over me. I'll react when I want to react, when it's best for me." (Charlamagne, [65:46])
• Rap Battle Wisdom:
  "It is also possible to lose a battle, but then have the more prolific, successful career. I win the war." (Andrew, [73:17])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Knicks Playoff Deep Dive: [01:05–13:14]
• Sports Cities as Characters: [10:14–12:10]
• Internet Slander/Academiks Saga: [22:48–48:10]
• PR Firms & Narrative Control: [45:13–48:11]
• Jay-Z’s Freestyle – Debrief and Analysis: [58:22–68:21]
• Legacy & Rap Battles: [72:11–75:30]
• Creative Success in Hollywood: [51:24–56:18]
• Personal Anecdotes, Gratitude & Life: [17:44–20:24]

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Tone & Style

As always, the hosts seamlessly blend humor, street banter, and sharp cultural analysis, maintaining an authentic, playful, but unfiltered tone. Hot takes land next to thoughtful commentary, with both Andrew and Charlamagne offering genuine reflections alongside comedic riffs.

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Summary

“Wicked” is a classic Brilliant Idiots episode: equal parts Knicks fanaticism, media critique, hip hop appreciation, and irreverent life lessons. Whether you’re here for NBA talk, social media intrigue, Jay-Z autopsies, or deconstructions of entertainment’s future, this episode keeps it hot, smart, and wickedly funny.

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Yeah. I'm Charlamagne Tha God.

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Andrew Schull.

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We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Heather. Kyle Walker. How are you?

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Feels good.

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Feels good, man.

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Feels good. As expected. You know, this is what I said last week. I hate to come in with that energy.

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Nixon six.

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Six.

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Nixon six.

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Why would we wait that long?

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What?

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Well, listen, Knicks haven't lost.

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I'm with you.

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But 12 straight games. How would we start losing? Doesn't make sense.

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I'm with you. I'm gna give this spurs some respect, though. I think that the spurs can get two. I actually think. I think spurs will win game three and five.

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I think it's a.

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You think it's a sweet.

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I think it's a. Yo, the Knicks. My boy Joey Avery said this really well. It's like the Knicks got a great chin like that. You could. You could come at him, you could hit him as hard as you want, and they're just going to fight and stay in there. They were down 14 and then ended up tying it at the end of the third. If you win the third quarter, I think a lot of times you're going to end up winning the game. And they've done this throughout the playoffs.

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Listen, I don't understand why the Knicks have gotten so disrespected in the finals. I don't understand why it's too. Coming into game one, it was two to one odds against the Knicks.

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I Don't understand why they love to hate us. We haven't won.

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I think they should be rooting for us. I think the Knicks suffer from the same thing Democrats suffer from.

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Oh, are we already going to do this?

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Yes.

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Can we just have some fun with something that unites the world?

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This is fun. This is fun.

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Have some fun with some of these things.

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You can be a. You can be a good candidate, right? You can buy. You can even be a great candidate. But you're a part of a party that has such a bad brand. It's the same thing at the Eastern Conference. Okay, so you can be a team like the Knicks that is clearly in the playoffs, been head and shoulders above everybody else in the league. But everybody's just like, but the West.

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But it's the Eastern Conference.

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But the west, it's the Eastern Conference. So they're not going to do anything against these Western teams. These Western teams are just so much better. Not saying that's how people feel about the Republican Party. I'm just saying that you can suffer from being a part.

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They got better brand. You're saying the West.

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The west got better branded.

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Got better branding.

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The west got better branded because the west have had more champions over the last. What it's been a while, right?

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I got to see.

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It's been a while. What the conference has always been.

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Boston won.

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Boston won a couple of years ago. But I probably, if you look the last decade, it's probably been most, mostly Western Conference. By the way, I don't know why the Western Conference has that type of.

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I mean, the Western Conference has some incredibly elite teams. You had the warriors dynasty, like Lakers.

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You have okc, Denver.

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Denver.

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Yes, man.

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You know, Houston had a nice little run. Like, there was obviously a lot of teams in the West. But listen, this New York Knicks team is tough. That's the thing that it's like. What do the. What do. Like Knicks fans always appreciate, maybe to a fault, Toughness, grit. And they're tough. They're mentally tough. We shot like in the first half, couldn't buy a bucket. So the Knicks team is incredibly tough. And it has two things that are very important.

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A real superstar.

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We have a real superstar who in the fourth and the second, by the way, but in the fourth, took over when he needed to take over.

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Yes.

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And we have real role players that step up in the playoffs. A lot of times teams have role players that are regular season role players and they get into the playoffs and you can't put them in the game. And I'll be honest, Nick's got maybe a couple of those, and that's why the lineups have gotten short. But you look at a guy like Josh Hart, who maybe had a couple buckets the whole game. Fifteen boards.

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Yeah. An absolute menace. Yeah.

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On the glass.

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That was the difference.

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No, you know who the difference was?

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Mitchell Robinson.

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No.

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Oh, yeah.

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Cat was all the Cat haters.

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Cat was balling. No, no. Cat did what he was supposed to do.

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I'm saying all the Cat haters throughout the regular season. Right. This is game one against the Alien. Game one against Goliath. Game one against the future of the.

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Wow.

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Well, that's what they're talking about, Wendy.

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And I don't know why,

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but let me just build it up. And Cat has been this big. Who is historically the best shooting big man in history. So if you actually want to look at the numbers. Not even so. He says, we want to look at a date. Everybody goes, oh, Dirk, Dirk. No, no. The numbers say ca. One of the most talented big men. And then you meme him up and you make fun of him, et cetera, at that. This guy came up and showed the fuck out this playoffs. And specifically in this game carried the Knicks when nobody on the team.

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Fireball driver.

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Let me don't want to handle that,

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but I don't think we don't want

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him at the top of the key.

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People don't question Cat's game. They question the sass. Well, they did question a little sass.

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They question toughness and they question defense.

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Because when you do this on the court, they gonna question your toughness. You can't have the limp wrist, bro.

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You can have dildos in your pockets. If you played the way that you played in game one right there, I don't give a flying fuck. He was on fire on both ends, mind you.

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Yeah, and when he's both. Wimby's going to be fatigued this whole series because you got to play the top of the key because Katt can play out there. Then you running around trying to chase guards around. Then you got to go down there and bang with guys like Mitchell Robinson, who should get a lot of credit. Finger. There was times when Mitchell. I remember one part of the game, Mitchell dunked and he missed it. He was like.

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You could tell.

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Like he thought they're playing with a broke fucking finger, bro. That's look big zesty. Is that real?

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That's not. That's not.

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Is that real?

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Nah, it's not real. Putting on nail polish. That shit is.

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Yo, that should be his merch.

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Stop hating.

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Big Cat should have the big zesty merch. Why are you putting on lipstick and all type of shit? But this is, Is this AI?

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Yes, it's AI. Okay? And this is absolute hate from a Sixers fan.

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That was crazy. That was crazy.

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Get out of here. Y' all are in Cancun right now.

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I don't want to hear about, but I got the Nixon 6. Only because here's the other thing. You said they got a chin. Not just a chin, a grown chin, an adult chin. When you think about this, I'm serious,

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it just feels gay.

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I don't even know what you just finished looking at, Cat. It's a grown chin, an adult chin. Those are men, experienced men, and they go out there with young kids. That's right. That's right.

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San Antonio's talented. They got those four or five guards that are just relentless. But listen, you got veterans on the Knicks who are not afraid of the moment. Nah, Shamit coming in this playoffs. Shamit missed, I think maybe his 11

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to 12 from when Cleveland.

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Yeah, but he missed like, his first few shots and he just kept shooting. He kept shooting. Supposed to do, started to splash, lock down on D. And another thing is Champagne. I think his name is Champagne, but Champagne, I think, is how they pronounce Champagne. It's, it should be, but I think they pronounce it Champagne. Anyway. New Yorker. So, like, there's a little part of me that has, you know, some love for him, but, you know, for this series, we're going to have to separate that, so. But he was on fire first half. And the Knicks made the change. They're like, all right, we're not leaving him alone. We're locking that guy down. They locked him down like that third quarter comeback was unbelievable. And then keep in mind, in the fourth, San Antonio went up one. Yeah. Knicks were up 10, I think. And then San Antonio came back, went up one. They made their run. Knicks grit, toughness, thugged it out. And then they end up winning by 10.

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I'll tell you something else. If you watch the game, it looked like it was about to be a blowout. Early on, it was with, with the

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Knicks in the first quarter.

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Yeah, yeah. But then the Knicks just got a little bit cold and they had to make some adjustments. But I think they win game two as well. I, I, yeah, I think they win game two.

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I think a sweep is very possible, guys.

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It's definitely possible, but I think, I think spurs win three and five. I, I, I think the spurs are talented enough to win three and five. But if it's a sweep, even better.

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I.

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This is what I really want.

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You know why it's better?

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Why?

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Because that game four. But that's what I want in Madison.

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But e. So is game six.

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Yeah, but I want it in four even.

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Listen, I just wanted it to garden.

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Yeah.

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Here, man. Here's the thing. Talk to me.

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Talk to me.

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When you show me the chaos.

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Oh, it's great.

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When you show me what it could be. Okay. There's a part of me that's just like. I want to see.

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You want to see it.

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All I'm saying is it's going to be a riot. Not in a bad way, though.

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No.

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In a good way. It's going to be Joy. No, it's not. No, it's not.

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But insurance will cover it.

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Can we tell the truth, though?

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Yeah.

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And this is me hating as a Sixers fan. The Knicks fans, they're doing too much. Shut the up. Performative. It's become performative. You think so?

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Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you. Let me tell you something.

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Yeah.

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First of all, we're allowed to perform.

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Okay?

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We've endured this for decades.

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They haven't won a championships in 1973, Chris. We haven't even been to the finals in 2399. I mean, I. I'm familiar with that pain. I'm a Sixers fan.

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Okay? But we're not talking about you. Right? We're talking about us. N. And what I'm telling you is when you're in this position as a Sixer fan, you're going to be the same way. This is years of pent up frustration. And keep in mind, we sell out the Garden every single night. Every single night. We're showing up despite not winning for five decades. We're allowed to celebrate, man.

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I think we're allowed to wear with our chest.

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It's not like we're fair weather fans.

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I think there's only two. Two cities in America. Maybe even really one. Now that I'm really thinking about it. There's only one city in America that is an actual character, and that's New York. New York is a character. Kind of crazy, too. Philly's not a character. Philly's a city. New York City. Boston has a city. Is an actual character. No, it doesn't. Boston. I don't like it. No. Boston has a city character. No, they.

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Who?

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What's their character?

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The white guy?

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The. No, no. You can imagine when I Say New York. A picture comes in your mind.

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Exactly.

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If somebody with some tims on, that's number one. Right, Right. And you just know New York in your mind. Even in movies and TV shows, New York, the city, is a character.

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Yes.

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Okay. I can't think of any other cities that have that. That are actual characters. How they did the.

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Yes.

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Boston. Get the fuck outta here. Some white guy who's into Red Sox and Celtics.

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Yes. There is a.

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There is a Boston sports fan is a thing.

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There is a version of it, but I don't think it's known.

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I think there's a culture. I think Boston has a culture and New York has a culture, but New York also is a character.

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It is 100% and it's internationally known. And a crazy thing. If you want to talk about performative. And this is some shit. The first, like 11 rows at the spurs arena were all Knicks fans.

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That's crazy.

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That were forced to change their clothing. So basically they, they, they did all these like, restrictive measures to make sure that, that there weren't Knicks fans in the arenas because Knicks fans have been bobbing everywhere. So what they said is that if you're selling your tickets and you're a San Diego spurs ticket owner, you could only sell it in 150 mile radius. So my friends that went got people from Austin to buy the tickets from because Austin's like, I don't know, 100 miles from San Antonio. So they all get people that are either local or from other areas that are close to, quote, unquote, buy the tickets from. And they get them from them and then they mob. And then San Antonio would make them change their clothing because they.

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Is that fair? Can you do that? They did that bullshit with the Sixers, man.

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They ran out of our own building buying tickets.

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You shouldn't be able to give us tickets to the fire department.

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Give us some tickets.

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I agree.

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Department give tickets to the TSA Nixon.

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Disgusting, man.

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It's disgusting y' all don't support your own team.

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I agree. Can we talk about how Victor Wimbiana might have been crowned too early and we might be having this conversation too early. He might come out and average 40 next three, four games. I don't think so.

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I think we need to talk about it.

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I said it last week and everybody act like I was crazy. I think he's been crowned a little bit too early. I keep going back to the fact that I don't think a face of the league can be a foreigner, but if there's anybody who could probably do it. It's Victor Wimbiana. And to me, what makes a person the face of the league is not only what they do on the court, but they transcend basketball. Like, their mom knows who they are. Your mom knows who that if you said to your mom right now, who's Victor? Win beyond.

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I don't like how many times you said your mom. By the third, your mom, I was like, hey, man, show the fuck out.

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But I'm just saying this. What the Knicks went in does to New Yorkers. Okay. You see how New York this got? Trying to say you mean visited by extraterrestrials.

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You see my mom's name out there?

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If you asked your mom who Victor. When Beana was, she was like, yeah, he used to come to our dance school when you, like, she'd be like, Victor, like, no, mom, he played basketball. But my point is, you need somebody that's dominant on the court.

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Yes, you're right.

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And transcends basketball. Yes. I have yet to see Victor Wembiana dominate any of these series. He's a good player. You feel it. Defensively, I.

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Okay, so defensively, he clearly.

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He had a great game.

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No, no, no. Like. Like, I saw the Knicks with the yips in the first quarter. Anytime they got in the paint shots that Brunson, they thought about it every single time they would get in the paint, then they would dish out. And what was happening is in the first quarter, the Knicks weren't hitting the. At all.

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Yeah.

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So if you get in the paint and you dish out and you're not hitting those corner threes against Victor, you're. And then what Jaylen did, I think it was in the second quarter. He said, I'm shooting. I don't give a. And he was getting to the cup. He was getting buckets.

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Especially when Victor was on the bench. He like it.

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But he does transform the game defensively. But my issue with Victor is, like, if he's not going to hit that deep three with regularity, take your ass

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down in the paint. Well, he can't get your aim. Elijah one on. He.

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He don't have the Hakeem moves, and he doesn't have the body weight to push a cat off.

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That's true.

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That was chesting him up, and he couldn't go nowhere.

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So why trade? Why train with Hakeem all summer? I'm like, what did you learn if he was down there getting his Hakeem on? Yeah, he's averaging 40 in this series.

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In any series, a lot of people train With Hakeem. But not everybody's the dream.

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Not everybody the dream. We sleep on the fucking dream. We really do go back and watch.

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Knicks fans don't tell you that.

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Finals, no, no. Yeah. It was Shaq's first finals, Hakeem second. When they went. I think they went back to back when Jordan retired.

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Yep.

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Yo, Hakeem averaged like 34 in 13 or something crazy. Hakeem was just filthy phenomenal. But that's what I imagine Victor wi beyond it to be. You know how many points he had last night? 20, 26 and 12. But I'm like, you didn't see it in the game. He was at the. He got a lot of that at the free throw line. I think he had like six field goals. But it's like, why if you're 76 with that skill set, do you not dominate? I think what it was is when the game got tight in the fourth quarter, coming down the stretch and you know, I'm talking about one game, it could change over the series. He wasn't a person you could just throw the ball to and say, get a bucket. Why not? When you. But they did have somebody who could do that. Well, Harper could do that. And I think they made a mistake.

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This Harper kid is nice. They should have played through Ron's, you know, that's Ron's kid.

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Yeah.

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This kid is.

[A]

Yeah, he did. You know, so funny. I was at my dad. I did. I had daddy daughter field day this week with my 4 year old. And so, you know, we out there as the fathers doing stuff with the daughters and, you know, couple dudes had on Knicks hats. I'm like, nick, since six, baby. This is before game one. Knicks in six. So we get to talking about the game and the guy goes, I don't like Ron Harper. We started talking about the players in LA and we talked about Dylan Harper. I don't like Ron Harper. I'm like, why you don't like Ron Harper? Because of the Bulls. He's like, nah, nah, nah, I don't got nothing to do with the Bulls. Well, actually, I got six reasons. But what? I miss the Bulls. But this ain't about the Bulls. I said, what is it? He said, we play golf together sometime and he parks in the handicap spot. But then he'll go out there and walk 18 holes. So you can't walk 20ft. But you. But you can walk 18 fucking holes. Stop walking in the fucking handicap spot.

[B]

Why does a golf course have a handicap spot? You don't need. You know, that's ridiculous in itself, right? It's like, what the fuck are we doing a handicap spot at a. At an athletic event?

[A]

You should pull up in your golf cart. That's it. What do we do?

[B]

What are you talking about here?

[A]

I don't know, man, but all I know is Nixon 6.

[B]

Nah, Nick. Sweeping.

[A]

Boom. If they sweep, that's even better. I just need it to be in the Garden. New York deserves that. New York deserves the home win in the Garden. You know what I mean? We need to see that pandemonium. We need to see the helicopters. They already doing that already. Doesn't matter. Exactly. That's how it just shows. But it's better when at home. We need somebody dressed up as Batman standing over something just because that's. Hey, that's what you do. One of you crazy ass Knicks fans dress up as Batman, hang up on the Madison Square Garden logo, like, go crazy, man. Y' all deserve it. Don't. They're not gonna tear the city up. It's joy.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think. I don't.

[A]

They're not gonna tear it up. They're not.

[B]

They're not gonna tear the city up.

[A]

I'm gonna tear the city up. Okay? They not.

[B]

No, no, we're not.

[A]

They're not gonna tear the city up. It's joy. They haven't tore it up yet. Yeah, maybe that's Philly. Philly be tearing it up. New York needs this, man.

[B]

How do they just be.

[A]

Get on top of the things though? New York needs this world war. How do they get on top of what else we got? Taylor gang, we only got a hot hour today, guys. People got stuff to do. Y' all want to talk about? Shout out to salute to all the four year olds out there. Four year olds are so funny, bro.

[B]

Four year olds?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Cuz I was. I told y' all that. My daddy daughter field day, man. And kids are so hilarious. Like this one little kid was sitting by me. She was a white girl, blonde hair, blue eyes. She's just staring. And she goes, are you blank? Blank's dad? I go, yeah. And she's just looking at me. And she goes, I have a grandmother.

[B]

What?

[A]

What is that going to do with anything? That's what she said. I just should just stare. I have a grandmother.

[B]

I'm like, all right.

[A]

I like his all funny creatures.

[B]

Knowing you, just knowing Charlamagne and knowing that his daughters are his daughters, there's a part of me that's thinking his daughter was looking at that girl some other day. This Week being like, I bet you don't even have a grandma.

[A]

I had to think about because I started to get dark.

[B]

Yes, I do. No, you don't. I have a grandma, and you don't have a grandma.

[A]

But see, I started to. I started to get dark and tell her the truth and be like, I used to have one, but they're dead. Oh, my gosh. I was this close. When I say I was this close. I know. And God was like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, okay. She's four years old. All right. And I was like, yeah, yeah, grandmother. I'm serious. Well, four. I wish that adults would grow up and still be four. Yeah.

[B]

Wouldn't it be great? Just no filter, Just saying what's going on here.

[A]

Just pure joy. Just think of the joy this young girl is at school. Daddy daughter day. But she's thinking about her sweet old grandmother. And her grandmother was just on her mind, and she wanted to tell some stranger, I have a grandmother. That's how much impact that grandmother is having on her life. That little bit of appreciation. Because I've gotten to the point in my life right now where I really, really despise people who don't appreciate nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, shut the fuck up and stop being so disgruntled about life. Stop complaining about. Be grateful. Gratitude. You get to do these things. Not. You have to. Not somebody's making you. You get to do these. Especially in the workplace.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you look around and you see how many people don't have employment and you look how many you know. I know money even in these corporations isn't what everybody got, but at least you're making something. There is somebody out there right now that will die for your child to be in the position that you're in right now. So just learn to appreciate the little small things in life, man. This girl appreciated her grandmother. Four years old, hot as hell in New Jersey. She was getting bullied today.

[B]

She was getting bullied by Charlemagne offspring. And she needs you to know. No, she knew that your daughter came to school and was like, yo, my dad said you have no grandma.

[A]

That's not true.

[B]

My dad said your granny's dead. That's what my dad said.

[A]

That's not true, man.

[B]

My grandma's not dead. My dad, me, he's dead.

[A]

I'm not true.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

I didn't know there was a war between you guys.

[A]

It's not.

[B]

I thought it was like you guys were. You were like, saying, hey, be careful. Look out. I thought you were looking out for him.

[A]

Well, yes, I gave.

[B]

Is that not what he said?

[A]

Yeah. Let me play it first. Oh, yeah, you can play it. Play what academics say. Shout my man Charlamagne. He gave me a call. He said act this was going around. I seen it. So what? Where'd it come from? I don't know. Oh, okay, Charlotte, if I wasn't supposed to air you out on that, it's okay. But listen, I gotta get to the bottom of this. I hear Laura LaRosa got it in the background. What?

[B]

Laura LaRosa got what?

[A]

Then I hear, oh, you got like one of the stooges. That was on this show and then this other guy that don't like you,

[B]

and I'm like,

[A]

what is.

[B]

What's going on here

[A]

now? Life for anything. I like to address things head on. But with that, you know, I don't like doing proxy wars. I like to just kick it off. I tell all y' all eat a dick. Straight up, all y' all eat a dick. Y' all ain't stopping nothing. Only I can eat a dick. When. When there is entities that's plotting against me. Don't be the messenger. You either whip me against me. No DJ Khaled's in around my book. No DJ Khales around my book.

[B]

Get the away.

[A]

You can stop right here.

[B]

Oh, so he's saying. He's saying you need to pick a side. Is that, I don't know, being communicated?

[A]

But here's the thing. I. I gave academics a heads up because academics has done that for me before. You know what I'm saying? Academics has reached out to me before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They say, hey, I don't know if you see what's happening over here, but such and such is doing this, such and such is doing that. Oh, hey, you know what? Good looking, right? So I was returning the favor. And you know, usually mad stuff comes across the desk all the time. We do media, right? So in media you get tips, anonymous tips. I got so many files on so many different people. I don't know if things are true. I'm just saying that these things come across the desk, right? Usually there's a lot of stuff that I ignore. This was when I was like, you know what I'm going to reach out on. And I don't know if I reached out through text before Jeremy Hecht said what he said

[B]

after Jeremy Hecht.

[A]

Yeah. Let's play with Jeremy Hecht said because Jeremy Hecht accused academics of taking money from.

[B]

Who's Jeremy Hecht?

[A]

Politicians. Jeremy. He used to be on this Hip Hop DX show with DJ Head and Elliot Wilson called the Bigger Picture. I think he still works for Hip Hop dx. Now let's listen to what Jeremy had. Academic says that he has $100,000 for me if I can prove that he was being paid by the head of Truth Social. Jeremy, I got $100,000 if you provide that. Let me read some receipts. November 14, 2025, Chris Pavlovsky sent a payment to Livingston Allen for $8,804 and another one on December 23, 2025 for $1,234. That's almost 10K. Technically, that's only a tenth of what you would owe me. I won't put it on screen, but you can go double check the PayPal act. Now, I know you want to act all confused.

[B]

Now.

[A]

I don't know if I text him before this or after, but I do remember when I saw this, I said, oh, shoot, let me hear that. Because what came across our desk was the same information, but not that. It just was like this spreadsheet that was like, yo, DJ Akademics takes money from music people and media people and, you know, political people. And also they take money to spread false narratives about folks like, you know, do these smear campaigns and things of that nature. And that wasn't even what I was really calling him to get a heads up on, because ACT will tell you himself. Like, yeah, I take money to, you know, from music people. Like, that's not a. That's not a secret. The political stuff. He said he didn't know anything about whatever the reason. I call that. And Axe said, I think that he asked me who was behind it. And I said I couldn't tell him. That's not true. I said, I don't know, but I would find out. What I did tell him was that these three individuals. Carson McCoy, another guy named Alex Ocha, and George Nguyen. How you pronounce it? Chris. It's a Gmese name. N G, N, G, U, I, E. Nguyen is closest. Yeah, Jordan. He's a. He's. He's. That's grand. Was a chat, and he is from Australia. What. What we were told was the Carson kid in George were getting investigated. Got pressed by investigators and cooperated. No, not Grandy and. And told no bad and said that they get their marching orders from academics and Drake. I don't know if this is true. I don't know if it's not true. I'm just.

[B]

Grandis Vietnamese.

[A]

What is he? He lives in Australia. Yo, I sent ACT the pictures they sent us of him. And act goes, who is this? And I go, they say, this is the George grand wizard chat nigga dude. And then he was like, what? I thought he was skinny. And so I guess when he sent grand the pictures, you know, grand confirmed, like, yeah, man, I got these pictures sent to me, you know, a few months ago. So I was just calling ACT to give him a heads up. And I said, yo, you might need to watch the people around you. Cause sometimes, man.

[B]

No grandee.

[A]

Sometimes you.

[B]

He's hilarious, though.

[A]

I don't know him. But sometimes you be in business with people and aren't fully aware of all the things that they may be doing.

[B]

So is that. So there's illegal activity because they're being paid to do things? What's illegal about that?

[A]

I. I really. To be honest with you, I really don't know. I really don't know. I. When I say I don't know, I really don't know. I saw this guy. There's this guy in Australia. He wrote an article called. What was his name? His name is Kishore. Damn. What's his name? Chris. You know his name. He wrote this article.

[B]

Is this alleged, by the way? Like, are we.

[A]

Well, this is an article from Australia. It says the rapper, the crypto billionaire, and the Instagram mystery man. The Instagram mystery man is Grant with a chat nigga, AKA George Nguyen or whoever it is. Now, ACT told me that the dude

[B]

Carson used to be hilarious.

[A]

ACT told me that the dude Carson used to work for him.

[B]

Even more hilarious now that I know these Vietnamese.

[A]

Yes. Oh, actually, I saw the picture of it.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

We should put a picture up. But ACT told me that. What's his name? You want to report his name? It is Kishore Napir Rahman. Kishore and Napir Rahman apparently have been doing this story. Like, he writes for, like, a newspaper out there in Australia. So apparently this was a big deal. Like, they came to Grand Wizard's house, AKA George Nguyen, and was talking to his parents and was talking to him. And this is all allegedly him and the dude Carson were cooperating and just told them, hey, we do these things because of these two individuals, you know, academics and Drake. Once again, I don't know if this is true or not. I just decided to tell ACT what the hell was going on. Right. So also, ACT told me that Carson.

[B]

So they're rolling on. According to this, they're rolling on. Ack. Who's rolling on act, the grandee. And then the other person, they just

[A]

said that they're cooperating, and they said that the two people they get their marching orders from was academics and Drake.

[B]

But are they. So they're cooperating against.

[A]

That's what it sounded like to me.

[B]

And we know this is true or this is all alleged.

[A]

Right now, I'm just showing you what they said. They said it's been an investigation.

[B]

I just don't want to throw things on people that I find hilarious. You know what I mean? If you're not funny, you're guilty. But once you're funny, I'm like, ah, God, man. Might be Innocent.

[A]

But ACT told me that Carson used to work for him, but Carson don't work for him no more. And we were told that Carson used to run Academics tv, but now, allegedly, George and Drake run Academics tv. Now, I told that all of this

[B]

Academics TV is a.

[A]

It's like a. It's like a Twitter page that is crazy. Like, they just. They go crazy on people. Like, they. I mean, they just say the wildest shit. Like. Like they say the wildest shit about people. So this is. This is apparently. This is allegedly George right here. That's a grand. Right there.

[B]

The goat, bro. The goat.

[A]

So, nah, that's apparently him. But by the way, it gets. It gets. It gets crazier, right?

[B]

So, yo, George, stay true. George don't roll George.

[A]

He might have already did, but anyway, don't do it. Here's my thing.

[B]

I told ACT I can't unfollow.

[A]

Listen, I told the content's too good.

[B]

I can't unfollow.

[A]

I told ACT this information. Yeah, right. I don't know what ACT would back and told the team. But then it's funny. If I go to you and I say, yo, this dude George, grandmother chat nigga, you know, runs Academics tv, allegedly. And I'm telling you that this dude and this guy Carson might be cooperating and telling things about y' all that may or may not be true. But then you spend a whole week slandering me.

[B]

Oh, ack. Was slandering you?

[A]

No, no. Academics tv, who's ran by George, AKA Grant, was a chat nigga. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you spend the whole week slandering me because of what I told academics. It's like you're kind of. But you're kind of proving. You're kind of proving these people right? But if somebody comes to me and says, hey, this guy right here, you know, works for these two individuals, gets paid to spread these narratives. And then when I go to your man and tell your man something about you, you spend the whole week slandering me.

[B]

But why would they slander you? Isn't that so obvious?

[A]

Oh, well, that's a good point. That's a great question. When I saw one of the posts, I sent it to act, and I'll tell you what I said. I sent it the act. I said, yo, aiming at me won't do nothing for him. I just put you on what came across our desk because you always do it for me. And then he said, yeah, I think he thinks you and Roc Nation are exposing him. Lol. He said he got those three. He got those pics three months ago, lol. This is next level. Lol. Dude is in another country. The fuck I got to do with this?

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

What the fuck ROC Nation got to do with this?

[B]

They think you're tied to this expose

[A]

on how when I called your man to notify him to tell him what the fuck was going on, ACT didn't have to say nothing to nobody. ACT could have took that information.

[B]

This is fascinating.

[A]

I could have took that information and did whatever with it. He could have just went and notified his team. I don't know. So if ACT notified his team and his team reaction is, all right, well, let's go. Slander for the week that you're kind

[B]

of proving the point.

[A]

Proving the point and making me look like, oh, so maybe it is something to what the fuck may be going on. But I don't know. I don't think academics has anything to do with it. I really don't. I think he's affiliated with some people that he may not know. Everything that they're up to, they're up to because there's lawsuits like that. There's lawsuits that AK just got added to, right? Like involving Drake and Stake and all types of other shit. And, you know, the dude George is also in those lawsuits as well.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I just think that that guy might be involved in some things that ACT may not know about it. ACT put me onto the whole clipper game, even though I knew what the clippers were. But they really roll like a mob in a mafia. And that's another thing I was telling that guy. I was like, yo, there's people in these discords that they're in. Oh, yeah, sending out what y' all are supposed to do. So. So the hit. So it's like, okay, Jay Z performed on stage this Friday. On Saturday, he said X, Y and Z about Drake. Here's the clips we're gonna run with these narratives.

[B]

You don't even need bots when you got real people with real pages doing it.

[A]

And all you gotta do is go look at. Look at Academics tv. And you can see. You can see the slander is a pattern to the slander.

[B]

Oh, so you're finding the sources in which it comes from.

[A]

Oh, it's. It's all that academic TV page, which is apparently ran by Grant with a chat.

[B]

But this is the thing I think George allegedly ran by. This is the thing a lot of people I think maybe don't understand about, like, narratives on the Internet is that, like, these discords are incredibly powerful because think about it. You only need, like, 30 people to make a comment section look a certain way.

[A]

And you could. You could take whatever clip you want, manipulate it, you know, cut it up. But this is the thing that they do that's actually kind of brilliant. They'll post a clip and put the caption so the narrative will be what they want out in the caption. You might even listen to it and be like, that's not exactly how that went.

[B]

It doesn't matter.

[A]

Don't matter.

[B]

But also, if you think about, like, in the comments, if you see 10, 15, 20 comments, your brain is almost conditioned back, oh, this is how everyone feels about the thing. But if you have these massive discord groups that are being coordinated and narratives that are being coordinated at the. Basically the tip of the spear of the discord groups, and then those people go out and then push those narratives, not only through clipping and through posting to big accounts, but also reinforcing those narratives within the comment section.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's very similar to, like, back in the day, like, when someone would talk about Beyonce and then, like, the bees would enter your chat. And, like, that we felt like, was really authentic. It was like, don't mess with the beehive.

[A]

I think it was. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not saying it wasn't. Now, they found a way where, like, you actually don't need 40 million followers on Instagram to create that. No, you need 50 people. 50 coordinated people that are all willing to say the same thing. And each of them has one account. But what if they have five accounts? Yeah, 50 people becomes. What is that, 200.

[A]

Oh, they making a killer to 50 people. Oh, these clippers are making a killing. Oh, and apparently, you know, they really are a clan. And they have a grand wizard, and his name is George. George Nguyen. What's his daughter pronounce that? I say when George win. Okay. The Vietnamese kid from Australia. And he is really, really, really, really in control of these individuals. So either ACT knows what's going on and I'm. And he's playing me and I'm naive, or he has no idea.

[B]

No idea.

[A]

But I also think, you know, these guys can be scary, right? Because, like, you know what?

[B]

If you think it's that coordinated, though.

[A]

I know, I know it is. Like, with him. Listen, here's the thing. And I wish Alex was here, because unbeknownst to me, yeah, this came from ACT Alex Media had whatever dossier about George like, three months ago and sent it to him. I don't know what the fuck is going on. And I go, oh, wow. Where the fuck. That's what I said. I go, oh, wow. Oh, wow. So what the fuck? I'm like, so what the fuck is going on?

[B]

Al left the country like, cassie, stop.

[A]

And that's the other thing I told ak. I said, listen, I don't know what the fuck is going on. I'm just telling you what we got sent, told him that. And I said, and, oh, the crypto accounts are flagged, too.

[B]

The crypto accounts. What does that mean?

[A]

I don't fucking know. I'm just telling you what was sent to us. So I'm relaying this messaging, but then I see the lawsuits about, you know, the crypto shit with Stake and all of that and everything, and I'm like, all right, they got some other shit going on over there. So I'm just. I let ack know about what the fuck was going on. So there's no issue between me and academics. Or maybe I'm just being naive, you know, I think grand. But Gran. Academics. Tv.

[B]

He's innocent, Randy.

[A]

You innocent. Nah, Randy, you're innocent. He's a victim. What's the thing?

[B]

He's a victim in all this.

[A]

I don't know. If he's innocent of these allegations that he's being accused of, would he be wilding on Academics tv? And that's the thing I told academics, too. Academics was like, yo, you know these guys, man. I don't know.

[B]

Academics tv on Twitter.

[A]

I follow.

[B]

I am academics. I follow academics on Instagram.

[A]

Yeah. ACT was like, yeah, you know these guys. You know, my guys are being exposed and, you know, people are doxing my guys and they're coming after him. No, act. These motherfuckers be on social media talking crazy about people.

[B]

Oh, and chickens are coming.

[A]

The chickens are coming home. The fucking roofs. You can't do that. You can't throw rocks and hide your hand. But I guess you can if you hide behind Avies Abby's aviars. What's the shit called?

[B]

Avatars.

[A]

Avatars of academics. Right? And say your name is Grand Wizard Chad, but now that your name is actually out there, George Nguyen or whatever it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people are actually coming to your house talking to you and your parents. People in Australia are writing articles about what's going on. Think you might want to relax. Think you might want to take a step back and be like, yo, this is. This is getting a bit too much. Because at the worst. At the worst. Yeah, I see. I can see. I can see, like, heavy lawsuits. You know what I mean? That cost you a lot of money. And I don't know what the ramifications are with political things. I do know that when you post political stuff on social media and you're endorsing people, you have to tell people that you pay for it. Disclose payment every single time. Not. You can't just make a broad statement like, yo, I got paid by Republic. You know, every single time you do a post, that's it. That's political, that you got paid for, you have to disclose.

[B]

That's probably a good rule because then you know that at least the audience gets to decipher whether it's authentic to who you are, what you believe, or these are somebody else's ideas and they're using it.

[A]

Is that not something to tell somebody? If somebody has given you a heads up before about some bullshit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that not a reason to pick up the phone and give somebody a heads up?

[B]

Well, I think what you did was quite benevolent. I don't. I don't see why. But it doesn't seem here that he's upset at you, is he?

[A]

No, but it's his. It's Academics tv. But you're saying the connection between academics and Academics tv, that's a guy Grant wasn't that he own Academics tv.

[B]

He must. Who academics?

[A]

Oh, I don't know. I know they said George is definitely part of. Is behind Academic cv. I told.

[B]

Who told you that?

[A]

The dude Carson.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the dude Carson told allegedly told investigators when he cooperated, allegedly, that he used to run Academics tv, but he gave it to George. And Drake.

[B]

And Drake. So now we believe that Drake.

[A]

I don't know. I don't.

[B]

Wait three albums.

[A]

I'm not saying I'm believing any of this and tweeting. I'm just saying what's happening.

[B]

He's a busy guy, this guy. Yeah.

[A]

All I'm simply saying is they do come to the defense a lot. Oh, of course, a lot.

[B]

That's where the bread is buttered.

[A]

A lot. And after Jay Z drops his freestyle this Saturday, he got off me for a second and they just went straight Jay Z, you know, well, we gotta

[B]

talk about that freestyle.

[A]

But we will. And I just think I'll put a button on it by saying I think

[B]

that maybe because liking someone is not a crime. Like you love Kendrick, you think he's an amazing artist. Nobody would ever assume you're getting paid to defend Kendrick.

[A]

It's Not. But. But I just think it's two things, right? And you know, when you have those clippers on your side, that's a. That's a great team to have on your side.

[B]

They run the Internet, the clippers run the fucking.

[A]

But they're also a horrible person to not be on your side.

[B]

Oh, of course.

[A]

So. So if you're somebody. Because I was wondering, I'm like, damn, Mac, I told you this information. Why didn't you tell your audience that? Why didn't you tell your audience what I told you about George and Carson? And why haven't. Why hasn't Academics TV aimed at Jeremy? Maybe I missed it.

[B]

Jeremy is Jeremy.

[A]

Heck, like, after what Jeremy accused y'

[B]

all of, instead of going at Jeremy.

[A]

Because I don't even have that information Jeremy got. How did that get it, Jeremy? I don't know. I don't have that. The stuff I got is music stuff and, you know, a couple of, like, political campaigns.

[B]

How would he get that information?

[A]

I don't know. But that's my point. My point is I ain't see y' all pointing the finger at him or going at him. So why would you go at the person that gave you, you know, guy a heads up? But I think.

[B]

What is your point? What do you think? What is your reason?

[A]

I don't know. If Ax shared the information with them,

[B]

why would he share it? If he's actually skeptical of them, why would he share that information with them?

[A]

Because you should let people know that you on to what they got going on. So maybe they stop. Which is why I'm doing this right now. But it's just interesting, right? Because once again, like I said, they're good to have on your side, and they're good to not have on your side. Because what if they wake up one morning and stop fucking with act? What if they. What if ACT wake up one morning and it's all of a sudden, this DJ Akademiks was accused of drugging and raping a girl in 2024. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

And then they're amplifying that.

[A]

That's my. That's my point. Like, the. The. The. The tables can turn just so you

[B]

think it's like private security. It's like, yeah, they secure. Pays for.

[A]

You see what I'm saying? But, oh, and I'm glad you said that, because I told act that I said act. The way you do anything is the way you do everything. People that can get paid to do certain things will be loyal to the highest bidder to the highest bidder. And if you think otherwise, you're bugging not just act, but anybody out there. The way a person does anything. This is terrible. Is how they do everything.

[B]

Remember the early days of the Internet with podcasts when like nobody knew that there was money surrounding it. And it was so it is interesting, like not to make this like a money thing, but like money corrupts everything. Like you make too much money in sports, people start really cheating. When there's no money in sports, it's just people playing it for the love of the game. Yeah, you start to make hundred million dollars. People are taking steroids and taking peptides, are doing everything they possibly can and get a competitive advantage. They send a Michael Jordan fucking, you know, Poison pizza during the playoffs.

[A]

See what I'm saying? This shit is filthy. And I thought about this because I was even saw the. You saw the shit with Travis Scott. Like Travis Scott got accused because he was using that same PR firm that, that. That went after Rebel Wilson.

[B]

And all of them story was fucking crazy. And that gets swept under the rug too quick in my opinion.

[A]

But that's my point. Like you literally have these people say.

[B]

Say the story just so.

[A]

Hold on, let me pull the headline up.

[B]

Basically there was like a PR firm that.

[A]

I think it's the same PR firm that the Hollywood Reporter already did an expose on.

[B]

It was basically gonna put out a hit piece against. Was it a producer?

[A]

Hold on, I'll tell you right now, it was Rebel Wilson. The latest story that came out was Travis Scott's camp worked with alleged smear conspirators. The name of the PR firm is. What was the name of the PR firm? What was the name of the PR firm? I can't fucking find the name of the people.

[B]

But isn't that crazy how buried the story is that you can't even just immediately Google it?

[A]

I mean it comes out. No, you can't immediately Google it. It's just a matter of finding it.

[B]

But essentially it was a.

[A]

And these are the same people who allegedly attacked antagonists of actress director Rebel Wilson. So documents show the rappers entrepreneurs manager coordinated with these entertainment industry operatives this PR firm against an adversary by seeking out potentially discrediting information to post on a ghost platform. So listen, man, none of these campaigns you see against people are organic.

[B]

Well, that's.

[A]

They're all coordinated and they're all. Because like you saw what they did to Jay Z after Jay Z's Freestyle.

[B]

Well, I want to get into the J thing one second. But like, real quick about this, do you know how we have, like, a healthy skepticism of the news? For example, if we see Fox News, we. We know that it's going to be favorable to conservatives. We see cnn, we know it's going to be favorable to liberals. And we, like, look at the news through this lens. Right. We go, they have a specific take on the world and they're going to defend this position. We're all aware of that.

[A]

Yep, yep.

[B]

And then the Internet comes out, and we assume that there's some, like, authenticity in the Internet. But why would. Once the Internet becomes a tool of power, why wouldn't the same people in charge not use it to their advantage in the exact same way? And you could argue almost more effectively. So of course, of course I could see the Internet being used as a way to push narratives and a way to, like, slam certain people and ignore certain stories and kill a story with another story. So I think there should be a skepticism. The second you see, like, every page hating on somebody, these massive campaigns, the assumption, I don't think. I don't think for the average person, but the assumption for. For us definitely in the business who have, like, dealt with it is like, oh, this is 100% coordinated.

[A]

Absolutely. Because we know the name of the PR firm is the agency group.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

That's the agency group. So it's the same ones that they said, Rebel Wilson. Rebel Wilson's PR team also connected to Justin Baldoni, allegedly plot heavy smear campaign for actress in leaked audio. So my point is there's people that do.

[B]

It's a dirty game.

[A]

It's a dirty fucking game. It's a dirty game until you get with a big mouth motherfucker who don't give a shit like me. So, you know, whatever y' all was ramping up, ramp it up some more. Goddammit. Okay. All right. Grant with the chat, nigga, George Nguyen and, you know, whoever else, I'm just telling y', all, that's what y' all need to be paying attention to.

[B]

George.

[A]

George.

[B]

Say it ain't so.

[A]

George. Listen, you want me to. You want to say the names again? Let me say the names again. So y' all say it. Let me say the names again. George Carson. Carson McCoy. Alex Ocha and George win.

[B]

I think George might be innocent, though. I think I would just say that.

[A]

I don't know academics. Get your people.

[B]

I would just say that just off of your hilariousness. I'm not familiar with the other guys.

[A]

Hey, get your people. Act. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now Jay Z's Freestyle. What do you think? Let's pay this bill first.

[B]

Yeah, let's pay this bill.

[A]

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[B]

Mom, can you tell me a story?

[A]

Sure. Once upon a time, a mom needed a new car. Was she brave? She was tired mostly. But she went to Carvana.com and found a great car at a great price. No secret treasure map required. Did you have to fight a dragon? Nope. She bought it 100% online from her bed, actually.

[B]

Was it scary? Honey, it was as unscary as car buying could be. Did the car have a sunroof?

[A]

It did, actually. Okay, good story. Car buying. You'll want to tell stories about. Buy your car today on delivery fees may apply. Church announcements. Heather Kywalka.

[B]

Yes, sir. We'll be in Virginia beach this weekend, man. Thank you guys so much for selling out all the shows. And then I just added some shows out west. I'll be out there doing a cool movie this summer, man. Very excited about that. So I'll be out there. I'm going to be doing some shows at the Ice House in Pasadena. I'm gonna do it the 19th and the 20th and also be at the Ontario improv the 26th and 27th, and then I'll be at the Brea improv July 17th and July 18th, and then I'll be in Halifax, Nova Scotia August 8th, so grab those while they're available.

[A]

You want to be a main character one time?

[B]

Say again?

[A]

God damn, Taylor. That was. I don't mean to say it like that. Damn, no. Oh, my gosh. I did not mean to say it like that. Why was that so violent for no reason? That was crazy, man. Andrew, I'm trying, like, violent as.

[B]

No, Taylor, I don't have any aspirations for that at all.

[A]

God damn. Why can't it just be congratulations on getting another movie. Well, congrats, you know what I mean? Don't you want to be a main character? No, just, just fuck it. No, Congress. Don't you want to be a main character? As if you just go out and just don't try to be the main character. And if you just show up and be like, show me where the supporting roles are. What the fuck was that?

[B]

To answer your question, to answer your question, I would, I would rather be part of the coolest projects.

[A]

Okay, no, but I'm just saying like would you? And you should get into voice acting too. But you would you want to? Yes, I'm going to ask. Yes, he wants to. In will be your question. I guarantee you the movie that he stars in will be something that is probably self funded.

[B]

We got some things in the works.

[A]

We got some things in the works. I am so inspired by Curry Barker and Obsession. Oh yeah, I'm inspired by the other kids. Back Room. Backroom. What's the dude who did Back Room? See, listen, backroom budget was 10 million. Salute to a24 for even having the vision and wanting to take a chance on a 20 year old YouTuber giving them opportunity to direct the video. I mean direct the movie. I don't know that young man's name. Kane Parsons. Kane Parsons. Salute to Kane Parson, bro. I'm going to see Back Room this weekend. That did like aund10 like 100 plus million in six days. That's a YouTuber sitting on YouTube doing fly. Curry Barker, same thing. Budget of 750,000 to a million dollars. You know, did Obsession and that has made $80. Was a scary movie. It actually wasn't. It's like a psychological thrill. It wasn't really scary.

[B]

No. But like this is a testament to. I think Hollywood's starting to figure things out which is like if you just take someone who's popping on social media and they and you put them in a movie that's got nothing to do with them or their creation, their fan base won't necessarily come watch it. No, but if you take a creator and then you let them create something that's in their vision, their fan base that loves that creator and the things they create will absolutely go support another one of their creators. And I think that's what Hollywood is starting to understand. They're going, oh, we don't put them in our shit. We give them money to make their shit. And they're used to making their shit for almost nothing.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So we don't even have to take a big gamble.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you're gonna see what's that? And they'll do the marketing to their fan base so that you're gonna see a lot more. This is Markiplier's movie that he put out. I think it was called Iron Iron Lung. Iron Lung. That was really the first one that's gone under the radar.

[A]

3.5 million. It did like over 50. Did over 50.

[B]

Okay. So he's the first guy that we saw like this youtuber that puts their. Their movie out. And I think he self funded, if I'm not mistaken.

[A]

Or maybe. I think so. He probably invested. But yes, either way, it's still low budget.

[B]

Point is, is like this year alone, you've seen three social creators go make movies that have outpaced or maybe out profited the biggest films that have come out.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And by out profit, I mean, like, just because your movie makes $300 million, if it costs you 300 to make the 300 you made. Zero.

[A]

I think ballroom is smoking Star wars, the Mandalorian right now, bro. Like, listen suit to my guy Basil. I want it. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I got Southland Films. We got some great fucking stories coming. I am so inspired. But I'm also more inspired. Not just not the profit of it all. I'm inspired by these creatives who are coming with compelling stories. You just need good stories. I don't even know who stars in Obsession. I don't know none of these people, but I know it's a great story and that girl killed it. And I'm gonna tell y', all, for everybody who watching Obsession, the girl is not the problem. The girl is not the monster in the movie. I hope y' all know that, right? I hope you haven't seen it. Okay. Do you see any Miles. The girl's not the monster. That poor girl, man. And you know what makes the movie? Oh, my God. I want to tell you. Can I tell y' all one scene?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's one scene that if he just simply says, yeah, there's no movie.

[B]

When he.

[A]

When she's at the car door and she was like, if you like me, you should tell me now. Oh. And he's like, nah, I like you as a friend. And when she walks off, he's like, fuck. And then he makes the wish on the magic shit. All you had to do is tell her you like her. Yeah. Then you get the cheeks without the craziness.

[B]

Nah, you need the crazy.

[A]

You made her fucking crazy crazy. The plot of the movie is they got this thing where you can make a wish. And he wished that this girl loved him forever like nobody's ever loved him before. So why didn't he say? And so she just ended up, you know, being a very obsessive. Oh, that's very obsessive. Yes, yes. But it's his fault.

[B]

It's not really consensual

[A]

thought about that too, because there's a part. There's parts of the movie where it seems like she's possessed by somebody else. And I'm like, that shit. I'm like, wait a minute now. So when she comes to, when the exorcism is over, you see what I'm saying?

[B]

Uh oh.

[A]

Now we got a whole other movement. Okay, that is wild. Jay Z's freestyle. What you think Patty's turning a honey? If she would have transitioned before I cleared my name, I would have hunted them, every one of them. Playing these silly games that won 800. Ambulance chaser would have wished one came. But 911 is a joke. Public enemy number one, I've been ranked. The rock's not crumbling. The leprechauns magically run out of pranks. Your son on a federal j mumbling something about having too much in his drink. You know how dumb that is? Another one tumbled his Wonder how I get the blade? Teeth is tumbling out their mouth and somehow I'm the one who done it. It's a murder mystery game. You had to catch Cal a dun was you protest. I'm the one who stole the pain. That hell you can die on is way too much flack that comes from those pains. I'm killing them softly. Misunderstood don't need to be explained. You want it one way, it's the other. I still want you suckers up, all of you gang, I ain't much for meetings no how. Cancel the brunches. I remember the hunger pains. The price of the bricks going up. It's going to cost you a be to even say my name. You ever heard of a wonder king? My children are some of them. Have you no shame? Y trying to get under skin. I really get under skin. Ask unharmed player. Y th with your thumbs again. Everybody think they're the ones insane. You're no maniac. Watch out, sac in my presence. Shrink. I need a new therapist.

[B]

This.

[A]

This is not working. I'm truly on the brain. Y' all better not encourage him. Y don't want me to think these thoughts that I think that nut Ass still stuttering that chatty Patty down on his luck again. Quest introducing me to Jack.

[B]

Well, I don't know why I still with him.

[A]

You just wonder why I do the freestyle rehearsal. That lady back on the stuff. She sound like she in love with him. Her kid can't even take their kids. Enough of the A rapper can't be my eye. I got MAGA Republicans. Them shots came from the very top of the government. Good luck with them. I'm governed by God. You try to break the covenant I pray for 40 days my neck get flooded again. Wrist get flooded again. My net worth went up again. My next update, the jig is up, I'm up 10. Wrong chart, champ. You gotta look up again. Look up the ho. I never looked up to them. The crackers got your publishing, gangster. Go talk tough to them. Don't talk success to me. You is workers in perpetuity is how your contract is worded. Don't make me go, man. The roots remember even when the trees pretend not too much of my name don't forget who I am. Patty loves her Shawnee's sake J, W N I find it adorable. She put the S at the end. You don't know the show ain't even begin I said you don't know the show ain't even begin. What you think of it?

[B]

I was really surprised at what? He just seems so above all of this.

[A]

Never. You don't know Jay Z.

[B]

No, no, no. I don't know him personally, obviously. No, no.

[A]

I'm just talking about musically.

[B]

Sure, sure. I guess what I'm just trying to say is, like, you know, Jay is, you know, running the fucking super bowl halftime show. He's a billionaire. You know, it's like he's still a rapper. I know, I know, I know. Tired, like, five times. I know. I guess what I'm saying is seeing him address these things was surprising to me because I thought that he was at a stage where he's no longer interacting with. It's almost like when you see Elon Musk, like, getting into, like, Twitter beefs, you're like Elon. You're creating, like, a global satellite system with rockets.

[A]

That's always been Elon's. When has Elon not done that?

[B]

I know. I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong. I'm just saying what was surprising to me about it.

[A]

Who told y' all Jay Z was Muslim? Like, who told y' all Jay Z got shit. They said so much stuff about Jay Z already. That's been his whole life. You know what would have surprised me? If Jay Z was sitting in a podcast somewhere doing that shit. Jay Z was sitting in front of a camera addressing all of those people.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So you mean to tell me all of these people can get on these podcasts, get on their YouTube screens, say what they want about him. Rappers can say what they want about him in rhymes. Other rappers like Nicki can get on and say shit like what they want on social media. But he's at a concert. Yeah, it's the 30 year anniversary of reasonable doubt, 25 year anniversary of the Blueprint. So he decides to be outside and he's doing what he always does, performing and then stops and does an acapella freestyle. Jay does this. Historically, I can name numerous amounts of times where he's done exactly that and address whatever he felt like addressing. Now this man don't say nothing for years, but all of these other people can say however they want to say things in the way they can say them. Yeah, he does it through his art and we're upset.

[B]

Well, who's upset? Was anybody upset?

[A]

It seemed like, it seemed like I didn't say one. It's surprising how one verse can fuck up the game. It seemed like that one verse really got everybody in a tizzy. But I'm like, yo, he hasn't said anything. Can this man reply one time?

[B]

Well, he could do whatever he wants. He's a free American. Like you can say whatever you want to me. I was just like, I was one. Just surprised by like the level that he's operating at to be going back and forth.

[A]

So when, so at what point? That's a great comment. This is a great conversation. At what point are you above it all? Are you ever above it all? What if. Maybe not, maybe not. Sometimes you want to address some shit. Yeah, I just address some shit. Did you might be like, oh, you above that? Why?

[B]

But did you like, did you like, did you like the freestyle itself?

[A]

Very much so. I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. But it's different for me because I am what you would call a whole vengeance. I am a Jay Z connoisseur.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And I've been a Jay Z connoisseur for a long time. I didn't like Jay Z in the beginning. I was a Wu Tang. J. Rude and damage, you know, mom deep. That's who I love. So when my guy Booby came around talking about this Jay Z guy and this Reasonable Doubt and I saw the suits and then can't knock the hustle Turn that off.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't want to hear that.

[B]

That's not real rap.

[A]

It's not real rap with a boom baptist chew sticks in the boots and the denim shorts.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. I want the Timberlands with the denim shorts in the summertime in the chew sticks. That's what I was into. Right? Yeah, I'm still into it. But I remember man driving me and Booby. I think he was coming back from Myrtle beach one year and he was playing. He played. By this time, I think by this time, Jay Z had two albums out and the Screeches Watching soundtrack and played Reasonable Doubt from start to finish. And I'm like, damn.

[B]

Damn, it's nasty.

[A]

And then he went into Screech is watching just that song. And I'm like, yo, I really been sleep on Jay motherfucking Jay Z. This, by the way, this might have been like 90, 98. So Jay came out in 96. I didn't start getting into Jay till about 98. Right. My first concert I ever went to was the Hard Knock Life tour, North Charleston Coliseum. That was the first concert I personally ever went to. Jay Z, dmx, Method man and Redman. When Jay Z came out on that stage and Jay Z said, why you looking at my roll? Ice bending up my sleeve, and the light hit his watch in some way that it looked like it was effect and some type of effect that lit up the arena, I was like, yo, that shit made me want to be in this business. So even though Ghostface is my favorite rapper of all time, Jay Z's right there, like, my 1B favorite rapper of all time. So when I'm listening to this freestyle, you know, it's like watching a movie. It's like watching Marvel. Interesting if you've never seen Interesting if you've never seen any Marvel movies, those. They might be a little tough for you when you go see it.

[B]

Yeah. But if you know all the characters and their storylines, you know they're culminating,

[A]

you know, all the Easter eggs. You know what he means when he says this? That. So to me, I'm like, yo, that shit was dope, and it was slick, and it was just done at the right time. And I think that that is what people don't understand in this reactionary society that we live in. We want people to react in real time, in real time. No, these people don't have no control over me. I'll react when I want to react,

[B]

when it's best for me, and I'll

[A]

choose to react and then make it. If I want to make it. Make an event out of it, because when he. He know, when he say something, it's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be crazy.

[B]

And it was crazy.

[A]

It was great.

[B]

I saw everybody reacting. I saw more reactions to it than I saw the actual rap, which is the kind of, like, Internet economy we exist in. He's prolific, man.

[A]

He's prolific.

[B]

Listen, I wouldn't say it's like, that's my favorite J verse. I'm gonna say that's my favorite J verse.

[A]

It's interesting. I think a lot of Jay's newer verses are a lot of my favorite J verses because of what you said, because he's an older man now, and we've never seen this in hip hop. We've never seen somebody be this good for this long. Right. So when I think of, like, J line, what's free verse on Meek Mill Never seen in. Yeah, well, when you. When you hear. When you hear Jay's what's free verse? Or when you hear Jay Z's God did verse, he's giving you updates on where he is and his. Like, we haven't heard nothing since 444.

[B]

You know, I would just say, like, this specific one. I was just like. I was like, yeah, it's interesting to see him comment on people that I would think, like, don't even, like, reach his radar. It was also very cool in that you go, oh, he's a human being. Like, he's still. He's still an artist. Like, he's still somebody affected by the things that people say.

[A]

I think he's a person that. That is aware of everything, but acknowledges nothing until he chooses to. Sure.

[B]

But, like, the fact that he's even aware and thinking about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is like a very, like a. There's like a humanity in it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like, sometimes we think of these big, you know, superstars, and we're like, ah, they ain't even like us. They're not even worried about what people think. It's like. No, he's probably still in the comments too.

[A]

Absolutely, man. Listen, I had one.

[B]

But was it your favorite J verse? Because that's something.

[A]

I don't think. No, we do to say it's my favorite.

[B]

But even over a beat, that's the other thing is, like, I feel like if what I've seen a little bit of discourse online is like, if you didn't say it's the hottest ship. Oh, you hate. And I'm like, no, this is Jay Z. Like, if I go over, like, The. The breadth of raps that he's had throughout his career. Like, this is not going to be that my favorite one. It's wild to see him address this.

[A]

I'll tell you, he knows. This is why I like the verse. He understands where he's at in 2026.

[B]

Tell me.

[A]

Because he knows. It's not necessarily about the verse. It's about the verse.

[B]

It's about what I'm saying. Yes.

[A]

It's about the conversation that is going to come from these verses.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? So let me put them.

[B]

You think this is just a jab?

[A]

I don't even think it's a jab. It's just like, yo, y' all been talking about me telling your side of the story. Well, here we go now. Let me tell you how I feel.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, let me tell you how I feel. But I. Well, didn't he have a line? A wise man told me not to argue with fools. I don't think he's arguing. It's not a back and forth. Arguments are going back and forth with people. This isn't an argument. Drake's gonna respond. This is a statement. He's already. Everybody keeps saying this. Drake gonna respond. Drake is the. Drake did five references to him on Iceman.

[B]

All right, maybe I'm an absolute fool. Can you. What was the shot at Drake when

[A]

he talked about a rapper? Could never be my op. I got Republicans. Them shots came from the top. Then he says you're. What did you say? He said, them crackers. Them crackers stole your publishing. Don't talk tough to me. Perpetuity is the. Is the word that's used in your contract. Those are. Those were the bars that were.

[B]

What did you say about the criticism of the mag? Republicans are his ops.

[A]

But he didn't say that, though.

[B]

I got MAGA Republicans.

[A]

He said, a rapper could never be my ops. I got MAGA Republicans. Those shots came from the top. So basically he's saying, I got MAGA Republicans coming after me, so why would I ever beef with a rapper? He didn't say they're my ops. He just said, I got MAGA Republicans coming after him.

[B]

Because some people were like, maga freed your cao.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. People aren't listening to what he said.

[B]

What did you think about that? I didn't know that Trump pardoned the CEO of Roc Nation.

[A]

Yeah, but why can't two things be true?

[B]

No, they can be true. I'm just Saying I was not aware of that. I wasn't aware that she was. She had to get a pardon.

[A]

Two things can be true. And I mean, to me it's like, well, that clearly shows if you're trying to make the. If you're trying to say, hey, they're down with maga, then why would these MAGA people be coming at them? Why would people be taking shots at them?

[B]

Yeah, sure, I'm sure there are. People are. But like, clearly, if the interpretation is that MAG is his ops, they clearly aren't so much his ops that they're not like, liberating the CEO of his company and like benefiting his company. No, but I think that's a fair criticism.

[A]

No, no, no, I'm not gonna say it's not a fair criticism, but I think we're looking at it. We're not looking at it.

[B]

I think that's why people looked at his like virtue signaling a little bit. They were like, don't, don't. White knight here. When you're willing to take this from.

[A]

Two things can be true. Yeah, right. Because once again, yes, you got pardoned. Right.

[B]

First of all, anybody's taking a part,

[A]

anybody's taking a part, anybody willing to give you a pardon, you take it. But my point is you got pardoned. That doesn't mean that there.

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Not people that are coming at you 100%.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, like, to be honest with you, one don't have nothing to do with the other.

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And there's, there's more Magropolis than just Trump, which probably what he's trying to say. But I do think it's a fair interpretation to look at it and be like, ah, don't, don't virtue single here because you were willing to take the pardon for your girl at the.

[A]

If that, if that's the logic, then academics should be responsible for what Grand Wizard TV does on academic. I mean, grand wizard does on academic tv.

[B]

I think a lot of people would. If it's like his channel and things are coming out of his channel, they'd be like, you're ultimately responsible for it. Right. Okay, well, do you think that'd be a fair criticism or like a fair, A fair sort of hold of responsibility?

[A]

Sort of. But I guess I'm giving, I'm giving A.K. bale. You know what I mean? Sorta. Yeah.

[B]

Because giving him. Bailey, is that, that's something you've known for years and this is a friend of yours.

[A]

Like, I don't think you. I don't, I Don't know if you would call me. But he did. I did hear him say, I can't hold these guys back anymore. So that's why. I guess he was talking about the George wins in the academic cvp. Cause he did say, I can't hold these guys back anymore. So if them guys think I'm the

[B]

op, then they're gone.

[A]

It don't matter what. What happened over here. It don't matter what's going on with me and him. But anybody.

[B]

Anybody who's just watching and assuming, they're gonna see, like, his name on an account coming at you. Like, it would probably be fair for someone to assume that.

[A]

That's all I got all week. What's up with you? And I get it with Jim. Academics. I'm like, nothing, man. I just was texting, like, what are you talking about? Yeah, he just talked on the phone last week for a couple hours, but.

[B]

Yeah. So fair assumptions.

[A]

Fair assumptions, man.

[B]

Here's a. Here's a thought I had.

[A]

I gotta wrap up in a minute.

[B]

Yep. Jay Z is a perfect example of someone who's lost a battle but won

[A]

the war with Nas.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. But it was a very good fight.

[B]

Fair.

[A]

Not act like Takeover wasn't phenomenal.

[B]

Takeover was a great song either.

[A]

We. I think we tend to forget Ether was Nas getting up off the mat.

[B]

It's so. It's so.

[A]

I think we forget that it is interesting.

[B]

It is interesting because, like. Which is all the credit due to Nas. Think about that.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Like, to get up off the mat and then drop that sh.

[A]

Absolutely. I saw Jay Z perform Takeover live in New York, Manhattan Center.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't tell me Jay Z lost anything.

[B]

Well, I guess.

[A]

I think that's my. I think Takeover's the better record. Yeah. But just like I was culturally equal, I remember walking out of that arena being like, nas can never come back to me. I can't explain it.

[B]

Yeah, I know what you're saying.

[A]

Takeover is the better record.

[B]

I heard this too.

[A]

But Ether one, Ether. I can't explain it. Like, I don't. I can't explain it.

[B]

Ether became a verb or whatever.

[A]

Like, either one.

[B]

But here's a perfect example. And this is to maybe go to our conversation we had last week that was really spirited, which is like. It is also possible to lose a battle, but then have the more prolific, successful career. I. I win the war. Now, that's not to say that Nazir Jones is incredibly successful in his own right as it continues to make great music and better business decisions. You could argue, but Jay has won that war. Is that something that could transpire between Drake and Kendrick, in your opinion?

[A]

I'm gonna be. I don't know. I don't know if Jay won the war between

[B]

Nas and Jay.

[A]

Nah, I think that Nas won that fight and then they agreed to a ceasefire. I don't know if there was a. There's no war to be won. Even when people had that rhetoric back then, when they was like, nah, Jay won. Cause Jay was president of Def Jam, and he ended up signing, like, I don't look at it like that. I look at it as two individuals who went to war. Nas won. Like, J J dropped him. He was down on the mat and got the nine, and he jumped up like the undertaker. You know what I mean? Nas was down 3:1, but he came back with Etha. Boom. Then it was, you know, the Blueprint. Oh, no, it was the Super Ugly then. I think it was what was the last. The last real nigga alive. Then at some point, Blueprint 2 came out. The gift and the curse, whatever it was. They ended up making peace. I don't think there was ever a war. What about, like, after that one battle?

[B]

What about the career? The war of careers in a competitive sport of music?

[A]

Nas is. Are we talking. What are we talking about now? Because I don't think people realize how up Nas is.

[B]

Well, that's the other thing. Nas is up in investing in Uber. No, no, no, no. He's crazy in the vc.

[A]

It's ridiculous. Like, he's re. Got the casino in Queensland. Like, go look at Nas's portfolio.

[B]

Nas is crazy right now.

[A]

These are two men who both went on to have extremely successful careers. And guess what's going to happen with Kendrick and Drake. Two men who are going to be go on to have extremely successful careers.

[B]

But no ceasefire.

[A]

No ceasefire.

[B]

As of now.

[A]

As of now. As of now, no ceasefire. As of now, no ceasefire. I think that's it, guys. That's all I got for today. We good.

[B]

We good, man.

[A]

All right. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots Podcast. Thank you for listening.

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Peace.

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