Blockbusters Closed

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots – "Blockbusters Closed" (Dec 12, 2025)

Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God & Andrew Schulz

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Overview

In this lively and often hilarious episode, Charlamagne Tha God and Andrew Schulz dive into a range of topics—holiday spirit, the meaning of Christmas, the ranking of iconic figures by ethnicity, the fallout of the Jason Derulo controversy, the explosive Diddy documentary, the shifting landscape of movies and live events, and the evolving podcast space. The discussion is irreverent, thoughtful, and packed with candid personal anecdotes, cultural hot takes, and plenty of the duo’s signature banter.

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Key Segments and Insights

Holiday Spirit & The Commercialization of Christmas

[01:15–02:56]

• Charlamagne expresses love for the Christmas season’s joy, while also lamenting how the religious aspect has faded:

  "I do feel like people have taken the Christ out of Christmas in a lot of ways… I see Frosty the Snowman. Jesus is supposed to be number one." – Charlamagne [01:47]

• Andrew jokes about who headlines modern Christmas:

  "Frosty got front billing… Love a villain. The Grinch jumped to the front of the line." – Andrew [02:02]

Kids & Pop Culture’s “Hits”

[02:28–03:12]

• Andrew notes how kids naturally gravitate toward "Rudolph," suggesting you could let children pick hit songs by their reactions, unburdened by taste or external influence.
• Charlamagne asserts kids can sense authenticity and genuine joy in music.

Debating History’s Most Influential Figures by Ethnicity

Most Famous Jews

[04:22–08:02]

• The crew debates the “top Jews,” focusing on Jesus, Einstein, Larry David, Adam Sandler, and others.
• Charlamagne:

  “Jesus, Moses, and Abraham…the only other three that can do that is Styles, Sheek, and Kiss, bro!” [07:49]

Top Black Figures

[08:03–16:34]

• Listing and debating Black icons (from Michael Jordan and MLK to Oprah, Nelson Mandela, and Mansa Musa).
• Schulz challenges:

  "Is Michael Jackson the greatest black man of all time?" [11:59]

• Charlamagne:

  “Oprah changed the world… Black woman in the 80s with a name Oprah and dominated culture. The competition she had was unbelievable.” [16:01]

Top Asians

[17:54–23:10]

• Struggle to classify iconic Asians, debating figures like Bruce Lee, Genghis Khan, Confucius, Dalai Lama, Jackie Chan, and even Hello Kitty and Goku.

• “Asians dominate in terms of, like, successful... but the list is kind of boring.” – Charlamagne [22:18]

Jason Derulo Controversy: “Never Work With Women Again”

[23:21–38:52]

• Reaction to Jason Derulo’s comments about not being alone with women post-dismissed sexual harassment allegations.
• Hosts unpack false equivalency with racial prejudice, the nuances of PTSD, and the role of broad generalizations.
• Andrew:

  “If there’s a girl who had a horrible encounter with a dude from a certain race… she says she never wants to be alone with someone from that race, we’d deem that racist. Why is it different for gender?” [26:44]

• Charlamagne:

  “The PTSD is real… why would I ever put myself in that situation?” [26:39]

• On media distortion:

  “The media’s still doing it… put a headline, ‘I’ll never work with women again.’ But if you don’t understand the context...” [25:53]

• Insightful debate on empathy, accountability, and cultural norms of stereotyping.

The Diddy Documentary (“Doc”): Power, Manipulation & Industry Culture

[43:25–76:17]

• Both hosts are riveted (and appalled) by the new Diddy documentary.
• Charlamagne:

  “It’s a good reminder: don’t ever… you can’t get that power hungry… that’s gotta be in you already.” [44:45]

• Andrew reflects on the nature of power and ego:

  “If your goal is power or money, you’re in a difficult position because there will always be more, so you never stop pushing." [45:42]

• Discussion of Diddy's relationships, manipulative tactics, and the broader music industry power structure:

  "If you wanted to be a hip hop artist that had access to mainstream success, there were two doorways—Andre Harrell or Russell Simmons." – Schulz [51:16]

• Reflect on complicity and silence in the face of wrongdoing:

  “Never compromise yourself for a position… at the end, you’re just like Kirk Burroughs, angry over the choices you made.” – Charlamagne [68:48]

• Lively debate about when and why bystanders finally come forward decades later.

The Decline of Movie Theaters & The Streaming Boom

[81:51–98:38]

• Discussion on the Netflix/Warner Bros merger, Paramount’s aggressive moves, and the demise of the “blockbuster” era.
• Schulz:

  “The only way theater win is with massive existing IP… the days of making a $300 million movie and the whole world going to the movie theater are dead. This is the nail in the coffin.” [82:32]

• Charlamagne defends the moviegoing experience for nostalgia and parenting; Schulz says at-home viewing is more convenient in most cases.

The Evolving Podcast Universe: Show vs. Podcast

[99:03–107:16]

• Industry stats (600 million+ podcast listeners globally by 2026).
• Schulz:

  “Podcasting isn’t over… it’s just the new way to say ‘show.’ There’s nothing that isn’t a podcast.” [98:45]

• They discuss the "celebrity podcast lick," how it’s drying up for the uncommitted, and why audio should remain foundational:

  “Start with audio, then put the video on top. Otherwise, you’re doing a show, not a podcast.” – Charlamagne [103:31]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Iconic Black Figures:

  “The only trio that can do that is Styles, Sheek, and Kiss, bro! That’s a hell of a top three right there.” – Charlamagne [07:49]

• On Christmas Commercialization:

  “You got your little hot take. Christmas ain’t even about Jesus or whatever…” – Andrew [01:31]

• On Diddy’s Power:

  “The worst thing about being somebody like Diddy, there’s no benefit of the doubt… It’s not about what they say he did, it’s the stuff we know.” – Charlamagne [44:18]

• On Taking Risks in the Industry:

  “Never compromise yourself for a position… at the end of the day, you’re going to end up like Kirk Burroughs. Angry and upset because of choices you made.” – Charlamagne [68:48]

• On Movie Theaters’ Decline:

  “It's more enjoyable to watch a movie at the crib than it is in the movie theater.” – Andrew [85:24]

• On the Podcast Industry:

  “Everybody has a podcast… the celeb podcast lick is getting cut loose. If people actually can curate an audience, you’ll stick around.” – Andrew [102:16]

• Charlamagne’s Take on Happiness:

  “Are you happy? That’s how you measure success.” [115:26]

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Fun & Lighthearted Bits

• Icon Top Fives
  The team’s chaotic attempts to list top five Jews, Blacks, and Asians—complete with jokes about “snoz” sizes and superhero powers, and playful ribbing over biases in selection. [04:22–23:10]

• On Stereotypes:
  Jokes about "parallel parking" anecdotes, driving stereotypes, and how generalizations crop up in everyday life. [31:16–32:22]

• Batman Villain Play:
  Who would they be? Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, with Charlamagne advocating for a dark Arkham Asylum TV show. [108:37–109:35]

• Brilliant Idiots in Entertainment:
  “Don’t give them all that credit. Brilliant idiot is a specific thing—you gotta own it.” – Andrew [112:57]

• On Power Moves:
  50 Cent’s “no foreplay” response to Diddy’s alleged threat, dissected as the coldest move. [114:01–114:21]

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Episode Timeline by Topic

• 01:15–02:56 | Christmas spirit & how “Christ” left Christmas
• 03:12–04:46 | Kids’ instincts for music hits
• 04:22–08:02 | Ranking most influential Jews
• 08:03–16:34 | Debating top Black figures
• 17:54–23:10 | Attempting to list top Asian icons
• 23:21–38:52 | Jason Derulo, “never work with women” fallout
• 43:25–76:17 | Deep dive: Diddy documentary, power, complicity
• 81:51–98:38 | State of movies & the death of theaters
• 99:03–107:16 | The evolution of podcasts & industry trends
• 108:37–End | Audience Q&A, best Christmas gifts, Batman villains

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Conclusion

The "Blockbusters Closed" episode is a prime example of the Brilliant Idiots’ blend of smart cultural critique and uninhibited comedy. From poignant observations on cultural trends, historical icons, and industry changes, to personal and often hilarious takes on current controversies, industry morality, and the future of content, Charlamagne and Andrew deliver both laughs and food for thought—always aware of their own status as “brilliant idiots.”

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For listeners new and old, this episode offers a rich tapestry of debate, humor, and cultural reflection, all packaged in the duo’s unmistakable style.

Transcript

[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, sir.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How was your weekend, sir?

[Andrew Schulz]

Man, I don't even. I don't even remember what days of the weekend. What's not the weekend? It's all, like, blending in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me neither, bro. Yeah, yeah, it's that time of year. I'm just trying to enjoy every moment of the holiday season. I like looking around. I like seeing the decorations. I like seeing the trees up.

[Andrew Schulz]

You got the Christmas spirit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, man, I always got the Christmas spirit.

[Andrew Schulz]

You a little b humbug, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You are with your whole like about what? You got your little hot take about it. Christmas ain't even about Jesus or whatever. Like, he's not the star of his own birthday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, that's because of the world. That's because of the society that we live in.

[Andrew Schulz]

But you also like the Christmas trees. You like the polar bears.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You like. Because I like. I like the joy that the season brings. But yes, I do feel like people have taken to Christ out of Christmas in a lot of ways. Like you did. You talk about who headlines the holidays. You don't got nothing about Jesus in here. I see Frosty the Snowman.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, Frosty got front building.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a great point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The snowman. Somehow the grinches jumped to the front of the line and he was supposed.

[Andrew Schulz]

To be love villains.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Chris]

Right?

[Andrew Schulz]

Love a villain.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right? Right. Rudolph the red nosed reindeer. You know what I mean? Jesus is supposed to be number one. Then Santa, you know what's wild?

[Andrew Schulz]

Then everybody else, my daughter, we've been playing like Christmas music. She loves Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.

[Alex]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gotta play the DMX version.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's coming, that's coming. But there is something where it's like, I wonder if these record companies, what if you just play albums for kids and they'll let you know what the hit single is? Because the kids don't think about taste or anything. They're just naturally reacting to the rhythm of this song.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

And they fall in love with it. So she has self selected Rudolph over every other Christmas song that we played. We played them all. We're not like trying to get her into Rudolph. She just self selected. And I would imagine it's the same way for any pop album I get. I bet you if you, if you just take a bunch of two year olds, you put them in a room and just play pop albums, they will let you know what the hits are.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what's interesting? I think kids can feel intention. So I think sometimes a lot of this pop music is so manufactured and like there's no real intent except for to make money. When you hear Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, you can hear the emotion. Somebody went in there happy as shit.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's a victim story.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Red nose reindeer really had a big.

[Andrew Schulz]

He was a vic. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And if you ever saw him, you.

[Andrew Schulz]

Would even say, you know how good that made me feel as a big nosed little kid. My nose. My nose could be. No, that my nose could be used for something.

[Chris]

We don't accept you.

[Andrew Schulz]

What do you mean we don't accept you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. He got a snoz. His snoz gets. Some people think he's Jewish because his snoz.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And my last name has too much definition.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. But here's the thing about your guys. You guys are expected to have big noses, right? I'm not. So it's worse for me.

[Chris]

He turned it this way.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn. You almost poked Charlie. I did duck.

[Chris]

It's healthy.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no. I have a strong nose. I have a presidential nose.

[Chris]

Right, Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what I mean? Of course. I mean, all the greatest men in history had big noses. We know that. We can look at them and see. This is a sign of intelligence, obviously. It's obviously a sign of intelligence, cock length.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Isn't it crazy? As soon as we start talking about Jewish. One of the Jews. Jewish people in the room, I mean, start talking about Jesus. One of the Jewish people in the room stuck the conversation to another.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, he is the most famous Jew in history.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Schulz]

There is no. The greatest Jewish man in History was Jesus. It's not even a question.

[Chris]

Who's number two?

[Andrew Schulz]

Fucking Albert Einstein. You think Einstein?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just Jewish.

[Chris]

Come on. He's the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I never thought about what Einstein.

[Chris]

You think the smartest man in the.

[Andrew Schulz]

World was anything but Einstein? Have you heard a more Jewish name than Einstein?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

What the fuck is going. Can you learn how to be racist a little better? What the fuck is this open mindedness over here?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, well good job. Albert Einstein.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, he was a goat. But I think most famous Jewish person in history is definitely. It's Jesus. And then after that it's probably Larry David.

[Chris]

Larry David is up there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you think Larry David's after Go.

[Andrew Schulz]

Or Adam Sandler?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Google it. Google it, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Larry David or Adam Sandler. 100 Seinfeld.

[Alex]

Seinfeld Larry.

[Andrew Schulz]

Not anymore.

[Chris]

Larry.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not anymore.

[Andrew Schulz]

Larry. Got that over Seinfeld.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because the curb.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. And also just because like of Google.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Top 10 most famous Jewish people of all time. Top 10 most famous.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean Abraham, Moses, like these types of guys.

[Chris]

Let's step out of the Bible.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, let's go outside the Bible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Top 10 most influential Jews.

[Chris]

Who's number one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow, Einstein.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but that's Jesus is obviously the one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh no, hold on now. I said the top 10 most famous Jews is subjective because they did have all the Bible people.

[Chris]

I did not know Stan Lee was Jewish. Maybe that was obvious. Never occurred to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Barbra Streisand, Jerry Lewis, Bob Dylan. The top 10 most famous.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think if you change. I think if you change your name to not be Jewish doesn't count. It doesn't count.

[Chris]

Ralph Lauren.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're out.

[Chris]

You're out.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, I gotta own it. What do you think about that? In order to be considered the top.

[Chris]

Always felt that way.

[Andrew Schulz]

You have to own the Jewishness because otherwise you don't really know if people love you in spite of you being too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you kind of had to change your last name to survive though.

[Andrew Schulz]

What do you mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

In order to express whatever greatness you had, you didn't want to experience the prejudice. So you get rid of the Stein. Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Or, or, or it is advantageous in some reason. So it's not about survival. It's always like yo, Zuckerberg.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean it is about.

[Andrew Schulz]

Zuckerberg's up there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is kind of about survival though. In some situations you would have got discriminated.

[Andrew Schulz]

In some situations, yes. Ralph Lauren. I don't. I think he would have survived just fine. But I think that he thought it was advantageous.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that's not his real name.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, his name is. Yeah, but it's like, in order for him to build a brand around WASP culture, which is, like, you know, prototypical New England whites, he needed to adopt a name that represented that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sigmund Freud. That's a big one. Freud. Sigmund Freud. That's a big one.

[Andrew Schulz]

All your mental health and you can't even pronounce the number one. Sigmund Foo. Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because when I see stuff, my mind says it the way it looks, but my body. Jesus Christ telling me.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Abraham, Moses.

[Andrew Schulz]

Moses had a run.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, that's a crazy top three. You really can't just knock that. That top three is hard to.

[Andrew Schulz]

You got to give it to him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, God, you got to get it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now, here's the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jesus, Moses, and Abraham, bro, that's the only other three that can do that is style. She can kiss, bro. That's a hell of a top three right there. That's a. That's a crazy trio.

[Andrew Schulz]

Chu's got a great top three, bro. They got a great top three.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a hell of a top.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, top three blacks. Go top.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's do it. Let's look it up. Top three, Top ten African Americans. No, don't put Africa. Just put. Just top. Top people.

[Andrew Schulz]

Top blacks.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, top 10 black. There you go.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, you put bottom. If you put bottom blacks, Al gonna pop up on that, like, three or four times. Sorry. I got the Christmas spirit in me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good one.

[Andrew Schulz]

I got the curse of spirit in me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, Muhammad Ali. I don't know if this is a list, though, because Find one of those.

[Chris]

This is African Americans. You're not counting, like, the King Mensah from Mansa Musa.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I mean, he did Google top 10 black people, but they just said African Americans, so that's a little Google. Don't care about the rest.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, let's just go top, top.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Look at. Look. Find that list you had, Chris.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can we go Top Blacks? Top 10 Black People of all time. Go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's Wikipedia, though. Ah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Just do top 10 in your heart. What's in your heart? What's in your heart? Michael Jordan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah.

[Alex]

MLK over Jordan. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, See, it's hard to be object. See, I can't.

[Andrew Schulz]

Six for six in a final. Civil rights.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. MLK definitely over.

[Andrew Schulz]

Come on over Jordan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But see, I got Elijah Muhammad over both of them. I got the honorable Elijah Muhammad over Jordan.

[Andrew Schulz]

Elijah Muhammad go 6 for 6 in the finals.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But listen, when you.

[Andrew Schulz]

He dunked in the free throw line. Gold Chain on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, I, I, I competitiveness. I talk about who, who, who bore fruit, right?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talking about Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

[Andrew Schulz]

Man, don't talk about his followers like that, bro. They're not fruits. They not fruits. That's disres. That's disrespectful, bro. That's disrespectful to, to the Nation, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

True Islam.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can you take that back?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it's Fruit of Islam now. What you trying to do is disrespectful. And yeah, you don't want those problems, Isaac.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm defending them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Right. So that means Malcolm X. No, no.

[Andrew Schulz]

You don't get credit for what you birthed. You get credit for what you did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Honorable Elijah Muhammad, he built the Nation of Islam. So you don't even get Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, the honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. You don't get all of these people who converted to Islam without the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

[Andrew Schulz]

Alright, so fine. Muhammad Ali isn't as good as his.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Coach then something to that. There's no Muhammad Ali without the honorable Elijah Muhammad.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I'm talking about his boxing coach.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who was Muhammad Ali's boxing coach.

[Andrew Schulz]

Custom motto.

[Alex]

Yeah, but without Michael Jordan, you NBA player.

[Andrew Schulz]

I really, I really. Hold on one second.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're bugging.

[Andrew Schulz]

We talking about fruit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Michael Jordan.

[Andrew Schulz]

Michael Jordan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're bugging about Muhammad Ali. Is Muhammad Ali because of what he did outside of the ring. All right, let's be clear about that.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, you're bugging, you're bugging.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But what he did outside of the ring, you guys are made his legend.

[Alex]

But we wouldn't have paid attention to him if he wasn't the best heavyweight.

[Andrew Schulz]

Top 10. Top 10. All right, can we just do top five black people of all time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Top five. Oh, that's tough, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, you want to go? Y' all want to go?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mlk ok, you want to go? Hey, I got you. I got you. Top five black people of all time. Number one, Jesus. All right, number two. But number one is Jesus. Number one. Number one is Jesus.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, yo. No, he's not. Jesus is more Arab, bro. We're going to get to them next. We're going to get to them next.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Number one is Jesus.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no. Let's just do top five.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But give me the, give me the list. Give me the list. Chris. This is tough.

[Andrew Schulz]

I can't believe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right there, right there, right there.

[Andrew Schulz]

I can't believe you're not going to put the greatest great of all time. Michael Jordan is the greatest competitor in the history of organized or unorganized sports.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How could you not even see?

[Andrew Schulz]

He's not even coming up for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all know what he rakes when you talk about all time.

[Alex]

I put Michael Jackson over Jordan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that's not controversial, Alex. That is not a controversial take, I think not controversial.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, hold on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got Michael over Michael, too.

[Andrew Schulz]

Is Michael Jackson the greatest? Is he the greatest black man of all time?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Michael's top five.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because here's the thing. What we're doing, we're putting, like, social impact, and we're ranking that higher. What we just got to talk about is the greatness in your field. And look at the fields equivalently. So if you're in sports, that counts the same as if you have social impact. Which counts the same as if you have business impact. It sounds the same as if you're a political leader. So was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What was the criteria for Jewish people?

[Andrew Schulz]

Noses? Isn't that what. Chris started it with that? You said that in the beginning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Black people can compete with that. We got people. Black people can definitely compete with that, yo. Yeah, we can definitely compete in the Noah category. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Nelson Mandela gotta be up there. Nelson Mandela. Mandela gotta be up there, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, you gotta throw Nelson up because.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I look at the degree of difficulty too crazy. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. Nelson's degree of difficulty was crazy, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean? Nelson Mandela. Yes. Top five easily, man. A global symbol of resistance, freedom fighters. South Africa's first black president who led the nation out of apartheid. Come on, man. Did 20.

[Chris]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Five in prison.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And see, it's all about what you do once you face the difficulty. He did 25, then came home united, became the president of South Africa, but.

[Andrew Schulz]

Also united the country. It's not like he created a country that was completely flipped and now subjugated the white people in it. Got. Got the country out of apartheid and united the country to be a functional democracy. This is a fantastic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's fantastic, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, that is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, I got it. I'm going. Jesus.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. We're not doing that.

[Chris]

What about, like, Amenhotep, like one of the ancient Egyptian architects?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, see, I was gonna go Mansa Musa. Okay, so give me Mansa Musa. Okay, so the world's richest person ever.

[Andrew Schulz]

Do we know that?

[Chris]

Allegedly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, that's what the streets say. You know what I mean? 17th century emperor whose pilgrimage showcased the immense wealth and power of West Africa influencing global trade and perception. Give me Mansa Musa. Give me Nelson Mandela. Right? Give me the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Give me Martin Luther King Jr. No.

[Chris]

Women on this list.

[Andrew Schulz]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Andrew Schulz]

You ain't have no damn. Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Rachel, Was it no women on the Jewish list? Was there no women on the Jewish list, Rachel?

[Andrew Schulz]

Nah. You could put. You could put. You could put Cleopatra, Mary. Mm, Mary.

[Chris]

Jesus's mother. Thank you.

[Andrew Schulz]

If we're really talking about the people who. Who bore fruit. Mary. But we can't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't put Mary if I can't get Jesus.

[Andrew Schulz]

Mary. Mary is a. Is a. I think Mary's Middle Eastern. So what was Jesus Middle Eastern, Semitic.

[Alex]

I don't know about that. They say his skin was bronze.

[Chris]

Yeah, Semitic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm taking that Semitic.

[Alex]

We got some bronze.

[Andrew Schulz]

You don't got no bronze.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Honorable Muhammad, Nelson Mandela, Mansa Musa. Who's the other person? I said?

[Andrew Schulz]

You didn't say Martin Luther King.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Martin Luther King Jr. And Kodak Black. Nah. Michael Jackson.

[Alex]

Michael Jackson. There we go.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a list.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, Chris. Top five Asians of all time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I feel like I gotta put Oprah up there too, though.

[Alex]

Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. No. Yes.

[Alex]

Sometimes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no. I'll tell you what. Oprah. Yo, bro, there's not too many people.

[Andrew Schulz]

What she carved out. What she carved out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oprah changed the world also.

[Andrew Schulz]

The other thing to look at is.

[Alex]

Like, yeah, but look at her fruit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz and Rachel Roy.

[Alex]

I'm not liking them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Before you knew they politics, they was top of the world, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but forget the fruit thing. What she was able. Like the competition that she had at the time was unbelievable. She's going against legacy media. Carved out her own lane as a black woman.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Black woman in the 80s with a name Oprah and dominated culture world fell in love with her every. Like, she shattered the perception of all demographics and everything. It was like, wait a minute. All of these midwestern women and all these women down. White women down south of her. Hot take.

[Andrew Schulz]

You ready? Hot take. You ready? We talk about who Joe Rogan is. He's the modern day Johnny Carson or whatever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's no modern day over.

[Chris]

He.

[Andrew Schulz]

He was Oprah. Little stern modern day Oprah who? No, I don't think for the interviews. Oh, I don't. Maybe, maybe I'm just. I'm talking about cultural impact.

[Chris]

Oh, okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

You go on Rogan. Your book is number one, right? You went on Oprah. Yes, of course, of course.

[Chris]

No, I see what you're saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm trying to find the equivalent. I think just because he's in the comedy space, we go comedy. But I'm talking about the impact of the amount of trust people had in Oprah, the amount of belief. If she got behind something, it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The one thing I'll say that I think Oprah has over Rogan. I think people. Rogan does that for certain communities. Right. Like, if you're comedian, sort of kind of with fighters, but fighters still got to go in the ring and prove themselves. But definitely with comedians.

[Andrew Schulz]

If you're in wellness space. If you're in, like, huge in the wellness space.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He is.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, my God. He's the one who put on all these wellness doctors, these longevity doctors. I didn't know that science space. Like, I didn't know that. In the same way that All I'm trying to say is the trust that people had in Oprah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Oprah. Like, yeah, Oprah. Oprah had a level of trust that was unbelievable. I can't even really, man. But also, I was about to say, you can't really think of a platform like that now. But everything was different back then. It wasn't as fragmented as it is now.

[Andrew Schulz]

I agree.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Oprah came on at 4 o' clock or 5 o' clock in some markets every day.

[Andrew Schulz]

Wasn't shit else to watch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nothing else to watch. Like you were captivated. Like, them type of numbers she was.

[Andrew Schulz]

Getting is unforgettable, bro. Okay, top five Asians.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go, Chris, take it away.

[Chris]

I don't like this list particularly. I mean, you would have Confucius on there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where the fuck is?

[Andrew Schulz]

Also, also, also, first of all, where the fuck is. Let me just. He's on there. He's on there. It's Jackie Chan slash Bruce Lee, which is crazy to think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, shit, you. Right? I thought you was making a joke.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, that's literally on the list.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That shit says Jackie Chan slash br. Briefly Hong Kong.

[Andrew Schulz]

I want to. I want to just do a caveat here. When we're talking about Asians, okay, We're. We're not talking about Indian.

[Chris]

Thank you.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what we're talking about when we say Asian, right? Okay.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Go Gandhi.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a different one. We'll do that one. Top five Asians. Top five Asians.

[Chris]

Who wrote the Tao religion?

[Andrew Schulz]

If you don't know him, he's not there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

If you can't hear who wrote he's not there. Art of War, Sun Tzu.

[Chris]

Pretty influential to this day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got him number one up the top.

[Chris]

No, I said I. Oh, I'd have to think about this one.

[Andrew Schulz]

Top five Asians, go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, see, Chris don't want to. He don't want to freestyle this because he going to Taiwan.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, he needed to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

Chinese are pretty good, I guess.

[Andrew Schulz]

Top 5 Asians of all time.

[Alex]

Who's the one that all. The offspring.

[Chris]

Oh, Genghis Khan.

[Andrew Schulz]

Genghis Khan.

[Chris]

I guess he's number one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But wasn't he, like, a dictator or something?

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris]

Not a nice guy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Brutal. Tyrant.

[Chris]

Not a nice guy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't make him number one.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why not?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on.

[Andrew Schulz]

If. If, like. If, like, 50% of Asians have a piece of his DNA in them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn. But what does that mean?

[Andrew Schulz]

That's some bad, bro. Some bad is what that means.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jesus. Genghis Khan was wild.

[Chris]

All right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can we. Can we go top five Asians? Can we just say it?

[Chris]

I'm trying to think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bruce Lee's in the top four.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's the thing. Like, we're. We're hesitant to put Bruce Lee because he's a. Like an action star and a martial artist, but why don't we talk about global impact of Bruce Lee?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not even close. He.

[Andrew Schulz]

What did he do globally for Asians?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did he do?

[Chris]

Very significant.

[Andrew Schulz]

Did he reinforce a lot of stereotypes that exist to this day? Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you mean? Bruce Lee was so dope that every other race acknowledged him as, like, the bar for something.

[Chris]

You might.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You might remember the last Dragon for.

[Chris]

The Bruce Lee impact, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let me tell you something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You remember the last Dragon to this day.

[Andrew Schulz]

To this day. If you get into a fight with an Asian dude in the street and he fucking.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're going to be like, you got it, bro.

[Alex]

Right?

[Andrew Schulz]

That is the. That is the effect of Bruce Lee.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People don't know what that is, though.

[Andrew Schulz]

What does that mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The stance you just made. I know it. Cause I'm old enough to know it.

[Alex]

You could do any stance.

[Andrew Schulz]

Any stance.

[Alex]

Any stance. All right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, that's not true. You do that Karate Kid shit. I'm beating the shit.

[Andrew Schulz]

What if he goes like this? What if he goes like that? What if he goes like that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, that's it. But that's Dragon Ball Z.

[Andrew Schulz]

If he goes like, that's different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I gotta see some shit glowing. If you do this shit to me, I'm fucking you up. Karate. Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because it was an Italian kid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't believe you know nothing, but.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because it was an Italian kid. Karate Kid was an Italian kid. That's true.

[Alex]

That's true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is true. That is true.

[Chris]

What about my man, the Dodgers right now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who. Who?

[Chris]

Greatest baseball player.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Dodger dude.

[Chris]

Shotani.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, Babe Ruth.

[Chris]

Babe Ruth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Shatani was fired.

[Andrew Schulz]

No. Shohei Ohtani. Yeah. Shay Ohtani.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sh. Ohtani. He's up there. He's up there.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's crazy. We're struggling with this one. They have the majority of Chris.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it's crazy. Chris is struggling with this one. Yo, I'm about to take your yellow card. Chris. I thought you knew something about. This is crazy. Come on, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

I need.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can we.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, why don't we change?

[Chris]

Let's do top Germans.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can we just name five Asians? How about that? Name five.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Rush Hour. Is that fire to people?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, Rush Hour is crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Rush Hour was crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Russia was that fire that. He gets a top five.

[Alex]

Trump wants to bring it back.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, he's like, mandatory pay for another Rush Hour. We need another Rush Hour. You know, that shit affected Trump in a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's kind of racist for Asians. I'm not going to lie. Like, it seemed like all Dalai Lama, yo.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dalai Lama up there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dalai Lama.

[Andrew Schulz]

We still don't know what he did. We don't know what he did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't even think. I didn't know the Dalai Lama was Asian.

[Alex]

I know it was a real person.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What else?

[Andrew Schulz]

Hello Kitty. Goku.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ali Wong. Goku, Manny Pack. I'm going to be honest with you, Asians. It's kind of a boring list, yo.

[Chris]

It is.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what it is kind of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A boring list, yo.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what it is? Asians dominate in terms of, like, successful. This guy right here.

[Chris]

We might have my guy right here.

[Andrew Schulz]

You got to put Jensen Hong. You got to put Jensen Huang on Jensen Hong. Got to put Jensen Huang.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jensen Hong is up there. President and CEO of Nvidia. He's up there.

[Andrew Schulz]

You got to put Jensen on there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, I got top five agents. Jensen, Hong Kong, Bruce Lee, Ali Wong.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're putting Ali top five Asians of all time?

[Alex]

Ali Wong of all time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Bro, that's disrespectful to. To Asians. No. No offense, Ali.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dalai Lama.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, let's start.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Boom.

[Chris]

Never mind.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's my top five.

[Chris]

What you going to do now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you going to do now? That's my top five right there. All right. What else we doing, y'?

[Alex]

All?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's been an interesting week, man. I wanted to know your Thoughts on this topic. Tell me Jason Derulo doesn't want to work with women anymore. Do we have the clip? Chris, this is interesting. Now, remember, scroll up. Chris. I want to read this, right? I want to read what happened, because I think people forget. Hold on. Scroll. Let me read the headline. The headline says, jason Derulo, I'll never Work with Women again. Jason Derulo delivers shocking comment after sexual harassment case against him, which I forgot. I mean, so many people was getting me too it. I didn't even know Jason Derulo got caught up in this. But let's click on what he said.

[Andrew Schulz]

Chris, there's a lawsuit not too long ago by an artist that was, like, hired to your label, that was dismissed twice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did you learn going through that?

[G]

Never work with women.

[Alex]

Oh, come on.

[G]

There's truth in every joke. But it's a sad. It's a sad truth. Like, I will never be alone in a room with a woman that I work with, like, ever, ever again.

[Alex]

Why?

[Andrew Schulz]

Look at the timing.

[G]

It's too risky. That case was dismissed twice in two different hi Mama states. And there's hardly no mention of it online. When that case was brought up, it was on every single blog, every single front page.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And.

[G]

I lost so many brand deals, relationships, off of a story that was not even slightly believable. She said I sacrificed a goat in a sexual ritual. All people read was the headline, right? And that's all it takes to lose everything. That's a crazy concept. I lost millions of dollars off of an arbitrary story that some woman told. Like, a crazy, crazy story that someone told. So with that being said, how can I be comfortable being in a room with a woman that I. That I work with and not feel like she can just say whatever she wants? It's like, it's not. It's not worth it to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen. And I'm gonna tell you something else. Go back, scroll up to the headline. Chris, the media's still doing it because they'll put a headline, I'll never work with women again. Jason Derulo. You understand what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

He just said, never being alone in a room with them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But listen, even if he did say, I'll never work with a woman again, he said it in jest, but he said it's true for every joke. My thing is just the context of why he said that. If you don't understand the context of why he said that, I don't know what to tell you. I thought he explained that very well. Just now. He's like, if I was with a woman, and she just made up some crazy, wild shit, and it became a headline everywhere, and I lost millions of dollars. Why would I ever put myself in that situation?

[Andrew Schulz]

Now, let me. Let me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This PTSD is real.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let me pose something to you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay?

[Andrew Schulz]

Let's say that there's a girl, and she had a horrible encounter with a dude from a certain race. You guys pick your race. And then she said, I just never want to be alone in a room with a person of that race anymore. How would society view her? O. That's a good counter. Society might. And she got an actual reason because she did have a bad situation with them, and she's now painting that entire race.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why would you make it race specific, though?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I'm. Hypothetically. I'm saying that he's making it gender specific.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And she's like, this happened to me with a person from this race, and now I don't feel comfortable. Then we would deem that person racist and that they're.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But the reality is that's. That's what we all do. We do do those broad generalizations. Right?

[Andrew Schulz]

We deem them wrong. Right. Societally, we go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's like, well, if I have a. If I have an encounter with a white person and it's a racist encounter, I'm already like, man, white people be on some bullshit.

[Andrew Schulz]

And we would look at you and we would say, hey, man, don't paint all white people like this. You had an encounter with an asshole. And I guess in this circumstance, we should also tell him, hey, you had an encounter with an asshole. And it's probably not a good idea to paint all women with that same brushstroke or whatever. That's.

[Chris]

Especially if he's worried about losing brand deals. I'm like, this is not the way to get it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But why can we not acknowledge his ptsd?

[Chris]

You say you have PTSD over the situation, which I thought sounded very authentic, without saying, I'll never be in a room with a woman again alone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's easy to say that you hate scooters, Chris. You want all scooters off the streets of New York because of one bad encounter. Cause you stepped out on the sidewalk and somebody in the scooter came. You wanted all scooter. You never said that dumbass driver that was riding the scooter. I said, if they're going the right.

[Chris]

Way, I have no problem with that.

[Andrew Schulz]

You never have said that on the street. Well, let me never have said that right way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No right way on the street, Chris. You're not in the street.

[Chris]

Wrong way. Talk about sidewalks, they got to go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nope. You wanted scooters off the street. You said it here on this podcast.

[Chris]

I want scooters traveling at a safe speed in the right direction, obeying traffic laws. It's very easy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, why those people on the scooters? Are they. Are they immigrants?

[Chris]

Are they?

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't know. Do you. Do you have an issue with immigrants, Chris?

[Chris]

Not I. No matter who's on a scooter. I just want them to obey the laws of the city.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't know if I actually believe that. Because you never say anything when Big Pum was on the cherry red. 150.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Damn.

[Chris]

How fast was it moving?

[Andrew Schulz]

Not too fast.

[Chris]

There you go.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what I mean? Also, you need a few more cc's to get that thing going.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Also, we act like women don't do that type of generalization. I mean, women was online debating whether or not they trust a bear or a man. You know what I'm saying? All men, right? Every man that you've ever encountered over bear. I bet you met more men than you met bears.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's the point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You was choosing the bear.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a good ass, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because of the bad experiences that you had with a man or maybe a couple of men.

[Andrew Schulz]

So man that. So you're making my point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Andrew Schulz]

That you can't paint a whole group of people with the brushstroke? What is the saying?

[Chris]

Broad brushstroke.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, I'm not saying we.

[Andrew Schulz]

We say culturally not to do it, but I think that what we're doing here is empathizing with this guy that went through a really fucking horrible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I apologize with the. Everybody. If a girl tells me she had a bad experience and she has PTSD because of it, and there's certain things that she's not going to do or certain people she's not going to be around. I get it. I understand. Same thing with Jay Z Derulo. I get it. I understand. Like, I don't. I see why he said what he.

[Alex]

Said, but it's wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why the wrong.

[Alex]

What he's saying is wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, what's wrong?

[Alex]

What shows.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because what he's doing is the same thing people do who think, like, all Muslims are going to blow shit up. It's like, if that's the case, then Al and I got plenty of reason to be like, yeah, we don't trust Muslims because we saw the fucking planes fly into the building. But we don't do that. We understand that those were some crazy people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How long did it take you to get over that, though?

[Andrew Schulz]

Get over what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you ever feel like that?

[Andrew Schulz]

I never for a second judged Muslims afterwards.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly. What about you? What about you?

[Alex]

When we were a little ignorant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so give him some time to get over. Yeah, but it's still fresh.

[Andrew Schulz]

I didn't, I didn't chalk it up. I didn't chalk it up.

[Alex]

I didn't say that every Muslim I saw was going to be.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't chalk it up to that.

[Alex]

I would just like, you know, when you saw the whole situation on a plane, you got a little worried and worried. I didn't snitch on them. I didn't say, yo, I'll tell you some.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was a little leery.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can I be honest with you? Can I be honest with you? If. If I have my car parked and I see a woman trying to parallel park in front of it, I'll watch the entire parking process.

[Alex]

Oh, yes, absolutely.

[Andrew Schulz]

If. If it's a woman, I'll watch the entire parking process to make sure she gets there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Andrew Schulz]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gotta make sure these jokes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Listen, I'm watch the whole thing, right? And I'm gonna be there for 30 minutes. Her trying to parallel park in a gigantic spot. I'm gonna watch the whole thing. Now if it's a guy, I don't even watch, bro. Hold on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm gonna tell you why that's so funny. I'm driving in Jersey the other day. I'm coming off the exit and you know you're going around the exit. Like, you know, you go around the exit and you're yielding. So it's a one way. Some idiot is all coming this way. He's all on it. I'm like, what the fuck? Why would he even turn here? It's not a turn. So I'm looking Asian. Asian Cap. First thing I thought to myself was, cap. I'm not even joking. The first thing I thought to myself was, it's not a stereotype if it's true.

[Chris]

It's not true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just telling you what I saw. Chris. I'm not in this circumstance.

[Andrew Schulz]

In this circumstance. He's Jason Derulo. He's trying to get home, basically.

[Chris]

You've been to Asia.

[Andrew Schulz]

Say again?

[Chris]

Have you been to Asia?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

What country?

[Andrew Schulz]

I went to. There's one, right? I went to China. Right? Yeah.

[Chris]

How's the driving?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Because they're all self driving.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Self driving cars.

[Chris]

People drive their asses off because they're.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not even in control.

[Chris]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Self driving cars? No.

[Chris]

Scooters?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I went to Tokyo. Oh, it's a. Tokyo.

[Chris]

I'm sure the driving is beautiful in Tokyo.

[Andrew Schulz]

The driving was fantastic in Tokyo. But you have to understand they're equally terrified of each other. So everybody's very cold. Right? It's a. It's just a little bit more.

[Chris]

What do you call the nuclear bomb? Mutual.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All I'm saying is it sounds crazy. No, it don't sound crazy. What people wanted to do is they wanted to say. They want to say it's sexist. But it's not sexist when you take in the context of what he is sexist.

[Andrew Schulz]

But he's also.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's also weighing the sexist with the context, though. Cause to your point, let's just say you said, like, that scenario is true, right?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm a little white girl. I get, you know, something happens to me by a black guy, right? If that person says to me, I don't want to be around any black men, that's racist.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's racist. Is it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or is it because of a circumstance that happened to her?

[Chris]

I got a perfect example of this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How is it racist?

[Andrew Schulz]

Go. Go with your perfect example.

[Chris]

So I don't. A woman I went to college with lived somewhere across the street from Kareem Abdul Jabbar. One day, she's like 8 years old, the doorbell rings. She opens it and Kareem is standing there holding her dead dog in his arms. And he said, my dog? Your dog just got run over on my front lawn. Here it is.

[Andrew Schulz]

Who ran it over?

[Chris]

I guess another neighbor. She claims she's always been afraid of black people since that moment because there's a 7 foot 2 giant guy, black, holding her dead dog in her arms and gives it to her as a kid, which I think is a little nuts to do. Kareem, sorry. If it really happened, what's the verdict?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, you shouldn't be afraid of black people.

[Taylor]

Why would. Yeah, why would she be afraid of him, though? He didn't harm her.

[Chris]

No, that's like the trauma of the moment with this guy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Get over that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why? She is like. I don't understand that one. Because he didn't do anything to her.

[Andrew Schulz]

How about this? How about this? How about this?

[Chris]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he said, that was a perfect example.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, that's not. That's a horrible example. How about this?

[Chris]

It was an example that was presented to me.

[Andrew Schulz]

How about this? How about this? Jason Derulo could say this. Yo, this is ridiculous. I shouldn't be Treating all women a certain way because of what this one crazy woman did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I'm gonna be cautious.

[Andrew Schulz]

I have so much to lose with one shitty interaction. I can't take the risk. In the same way that a person that's really rich and famous should not need to have security every single day. People should obey the law and not harass and attack you. But the risk is so great for a person who's really rich and famous. So they go, you know what? I'm going to have security.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nothing wrong with that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because what you're doing is essentially, when you have security, you're assuming that there are people out there that are going to hurt you. And that's a real concern. So Jason Derulo, if he just framed it like, yo, this sucks. I love women. I want to work with women. All this time, there are circumstances where I prefer working with women.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I feel like that's what he was doing. When he said. When he told you, I don't want to work with women, then he laughs. And then he was like, they're truth in everything.

[Chris]

He was a mother. But what's another way that a lot of entertainers lose a ton of money? He gave this as an example.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They get ripped off by that and this. I'm just using it from a corporate perspective. If I have an issue with somebody in corporate, I'm not having a conversation with that person without somebody else being present.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because that person will go twist your word. I want everything on record. I want to have a supervisor or some superior in the room when I'm. Big thing my frustration.

[Chris]

You're not saying, I'm never going to work with a corporation again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The corporation, no. But I might not work with that person. That individual.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Well, that's what that. That proves the point. You're like, I'm treating that individual based on their actions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you think women are a corporation?

[Andrew Schulz]

I think they are. I think that we start with that. We have to treat them like corporations.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not, by the way. I'm not saying that he shouldn't work with women again. I'm just simply saying I can understand where he's coming from.

Oh.

That's all I'm saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

We all empathize with where he's coming from. And then on a daily basis, we take all these stereotypes that are floating around in our heads and we say, you know what? Those things are wrong, and that we live in a civil society where we treat people equally and we give everyone a clean slate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you don't see how the Media took the actual nuance and context of.

[Andrew Schulz]

The comic, of course, and they ruined.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It and, of course, baited it. Jason Rulo doesn't want to work with women.

[Andrew Schulz]

And that's the issue. That was also a point that he made. And yes, the media does that every single time. They do that with you. They do that with me. They do that with Jason Derulo. They do it every single person. 100%.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And so somebody might take this and put Charlamagne, and God agrees. Jason Derulo shouldn't work with women.

[Andrew Schulz]

They will. They will. They will.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Which is not what I'm saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

They will believe.

[Alex]

That's what you believe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm simply saying, listen, here's the thing. Jason Derulo is in a very privileged position. He's like a very wealthy guy. He can afford to pay men to do those jobs. Some of us got to get women because they're about 25%. So we're not in that situation where we can afford to only work with men. What an amazing privilege he has.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's not even trying to look at me.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're a mom. It's different. Moms are totally different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, have you ever been warned by a woman? Have you ever had a woman say to you, hey, Charlamagne, watch that, Watch that with her, because she lies a lot. Taylor's done that for me.

[Chris]

Really?

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, girls out there that are lying a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not on. I mean, not on. It had nothing to do with anything of this nature. But it was just like, yo, I don't know if I want you talking to that person about this, because I'll.

[Andrew Schulz]

Be honest, it's not even that person. It's not even girls. They're like dudes out there that, you know, we didn't hire, for example, because you just knew, like, you looked at their content and you knew that they were just gonna make some video or do something. Oh, this is why I didn't want to work here. Blah, blah. You just knew their character. So that's just judging a person by their character.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I mean, listen. And nowadays.

[Andrew Schulz]

But you got me convinced. I think that we should just judge women all as one. I was getting better. I was becoming a more three dimensional human being that sees the greatness and the flaws in each person. But you brought me back. You put some holiday spirit in my life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is, though. You know what, though? No, I'm gonna stick with this. It is a constant. It is a constant process you have to go through in your mind to judge things on a case by case, individual basis. It just is. You know what I'm saying? Because you've had one. If you have one encounter with one race, one gender, you know, one sexuality, we. That's what we do. We lump everybody together. Why? I don't know.

[Andrew Schulz]

I feel like in New York, we're so comfortable with each other that we judge people more by their clothing than we do by their race. You know what I mean? So if.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's not always good. Think about how many times Alex got mistaken for gay.

[Andrew Schulz]

But that's a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Called a gay slur for no reason. Never.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a good thing. That's a positive thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I was having a conversation. Somebody was like, yo, you talk about. Somebody was like, alex the homo. And I'm like, yo, he is not.

[Andrew Schulz]

He's not gay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, guys, guys. Alex is not gay, bro. He's not gay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not even gonna tell you what some people think the F and WTF means. Bro. Yeah, I'm not even gonna do that.

[Alex]

That it stands for wheezy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause she's cheese, too. They think that it's an LGBTQ operation. Shut up.

[Andrew Schulz]

It is, though.

[Chris]

It is. It is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think it is.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's a bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Y' all got benefits.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's a black casting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good benefit. Like Trump gonna shut all that shit down. Okay. No. Don't know.

[Andrew Schulz]

Don'T know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Soon as they find out y' all been getting some subsidies because of y' all sexuality.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whoa.

[Andrew Schulz]

You getting subsidies for sexuality? You have to prove it once a year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, not. We're not gonna let everybody just claim gay unless we got some receipts. We need to see dick on the tongue.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We need a sucidy every four months to prove that these LGBTQ subsidies.

[Andrew Schulz]

Once a quarter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Accurate.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dick on tongue. Once a quarter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, you. Dick on you.

[Alex]

I'll let all my employees know about that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Speaking to the mic, yo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Put the.

[Andrew Schulz]

Mic on your lips.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I need hr. That's what you want your employees to do. You need hr.

[Andrew Schulz]

Stop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want to have a bad. You want bad boy record? You want bad boy record working so bad?

[Andrew Schulz]

You do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I watched the doc. You watched it?

[Andrew Schulz]

You saw Al? I saw it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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Did you watch the doc? Finally I did see it. That shit was crazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

It was unbelievable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That shit was crazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm an episode in I'm an episode in. By the way, I'm just one episode.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How could you stop? Yeah, I couldn't stop.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I had once.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was in. I was in.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, it's.

[Alex]

It's.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's truly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I had to go get a drink. I'm like, y' all gotta go pour me some wine.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, we gotta relax.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me and the wife went through a whole bottle of wine. That shit was crazy. And the wild part is, it's a bunch of stuff I've heard before, but. But when you see it all packaged.

[Andrew Schulz]

Together, you see it on video. Oh, God. The old footage is the first one, though. What's that?

[Taylor]

This isn't the first doc of Diddy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, but it's been the most elation. This one is the best, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

They give you. They give you reminders after every accusation. That's how you know that legal was involved.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because somebody will say some shit and it will immediately go. We reached out to the Combs family for comment, and they did not respond.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the worst thing about being somebody like Diddy, there's no benefit of the doubt anyway. Because it ain't about. It ain't about the stuff that they're saying he did. It's the stuff we know. So when you see the things you know, you don't put nothing past him.

[Andrew Schulz]

Nope.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? It's like, God damn.

[Alex]

Yeah. That was phenomenal. Listen, man, it's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It happened. I watched that doc on Friday night, and it was a good reminder of just life, bro. Don't ever. I don't think you can get that power hungry, though. I think that's gotta be in you already. Yeah. I think it's like a gene that's lying dormant. And when you add the right things to that gene, it comes out. I don't think people. People aren't naturally like that. Like, money power don't naturally just make you like that because then you have other people, Right? Like, you can have somebody like. I'm using a tandem. You can have somebody like Oprah Winfrey, who you've seen throughout her life, with that power in that money, do amazing things, not just for the people she put on. Right. But like, just people building schools and donating money and stuff like that. So that already has to be in you to be whatever that shit is. Did he.

[Andrew Schulz]

Is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even know what you call that. Is that evil? I don't even know what you call it, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Maniacal. I mean, like, man. Yeah. Bottomless pit. And the only thing that can fill it is a thirst for more power. And that's the problem. It's like if power is your goal or money is your goal, you're in a really difficult position because there will always be somebody more wealthy and there will always be somebody more powerful. So you never stop pushing if. If you're fortunate enough where, like art is your goal, like you have a skill, you know, be it like radio, be it comedy, be it whatever. The thing that you really care about, be it, you know, you're a UFC fighter, whatever, you just dedicate yourself to that craft. And being better at the craft is this thing that validates you. But if the only thing that validates you is more money or more power, you're going to be capable of some horrendous shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think power even more than money. See with Diddy out of the. Because there's plenty Diddy, like, let's be clear, Diddy is nowhere near one of the richest people in the world.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So we know that there's plenty of people out here that have billions and billions and billions of dollars. You don't hear this type of shit that they were on. This was a power trip for Diddy. Like I'm talking about an ego power trip. A 35, 40 year ego power. And by it never ended. Even when you're watching him leading up to jail, you could tell it about the still on the phone trying to manipulate people.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but especially with the girls, like wanting to fuck someone's girl that is white.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, let's talk about.

[Andrew Schulz]

But that's specifically a power move. That is how can I exert power? That's like the most primal version of it. How can I exert power over another individual?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

God bless the day. Kim Porter was Al B. Shaw's girlfriend. Another one of his mecy. Another one of his baby moms, Sarah was Tupac's girlfriend.

[Andrew Schulz]

What about the one that was Eric Sermon Eric.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Eric's someone on Breakfast Club this week. Eric. Eric told the most ridiculous story on that shit. Is he a little off? I don't know if he's off, but that was a ridiculous story. Eric.

[Andrew Schulz]

Which one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he said he pulls up in the car, he got me sitting in the passenger seat. Diddy taps on the window, he rolls it down. Diddy swings on him. He laughs. Cause he knows Diddy can fuck him up. So he tells Diddy, all right, let's go around the corner. So he gives him a ride. You Ubering him to fight?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, you give him a ride in your car, you go around the corner. When y' all get around the corner, he says, yo, listen to this. And y' all just start listening to music together. That was a ridiculous story.

[Alex]

That was. I'm surprised they put it in the doc.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was ridiculous. I can't even believe you repeat that like that. You know, that don't sound ridiculous.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, shout out, Eric, man. I love Eric, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was a ridiculous story. It made no sense whatsoever.

[Alex]

I'm curious, how accurate do you think this doc was, like, percentage wise of telling a story?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you have to guess, I really don't know.

[Andrew Schulz]

100%.

[Alex]

Because the reason why I question, I'm like, they use so much footage that Diddy shot himself to make him look bad. And so that's how the power of a document. You can use the same footage and make somebody seem horrible. And he would have used that footage to make himself look.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That footage he was taking before he went to jail. I don't know. Why would he even tape that? There is no way any of that makes you look.

[Andrew Schulz]

I actually thought. I actually went, well, no, it's going.

[Alex]

To be his redemption story. And that in the edit, you can.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Put what you choose to show you manipulating.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no, no.

[Alex]

He wouldn't have put.

[Andrew Schulz]

I have a. I have a take on that. I have a take on that. So the beginning sequence when you're seeing this footage, when he's talking to the lawyers, right? And we need to, you know, know how to manipulate the public or whatever that is.

[Chris]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

I do agree with you. I think he's going into the trial going like, they don't really have much. I'm going to win. And if you look at, like, what we thought was going to happen to him and what ended up happening to him, I mean, how many years he get? Four years or something like that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

50 months.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, so it's like how many months?

[Chris]

50.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

50.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, 50 months. Okay. So it's like four years with time served. Right. And you end up doing like two thirds of that. Right. So let's say he does like three years or even a little bit less.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like two.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay. So it's really not that much time for how heinous the crimes we thought it was going to be. So I imagine him and his legal team are going into this and they're going, yeah, I think we can beat this thing. Right. But what Diddy, to his credit, is understanding that who he is as a person is ruined. And he says something earlier where he goes, listen, I want to have my life. I want to be able to do things. What he means is not, I want to stay out of jail. What he means is, I don't want to be Diddy, but I want to still be diddy. And then what he's saying is, hey, you guys are going on cnn. He goes, people aren't on CNN no more. They're on TikTok. They're on social media. You guys have to fight the propaganda war on these places. So I don't think what he's saying is, yo, you got to lie to everybody and make them think I'm innocent when we know I'm guilty. I think he's coming from the place he would lie. Well, let me get it all out. I think he's coming from the place of. Or maybe believing his lawyers and going, yo, we're going to beat this shit, but it's not worth beating it if everybody still thinks I'm the worst person ever and I can't be diddy no more. So you guys got to start pushing whatever propaganda you can or start making these arguments not on CNN, where nobody sees it, but on social media so people could realize I'm a good guy and I'm innocent.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But they saw it on CNN because the Cathy video broke on cnn.

[Andrew Schulz]

Fair.

[Alex]

Fair.

[Andrew Schulz]

But I don't think that's what he was talking about. I think he's talking about his innocence.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But the reason I think that he was just willing to lie and continue to manipulate. Cause he was lying and manipulating until the Cassie video came out. You understand what I'm saying? I think he was telling us all of this stuff Cassie said he did was not true. It was false. It was fabricated. Did the video.

[Andrew Schulz]

A guy like him is used to lying and manipulating.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you gotta be a madman to know that these videos. This is what I'm saying, Sean.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

To know that a video exists of you doing what you did to Cassie in the hotel and putting out statements saying what she's saying is completely.

[Andrew Schulz]

He don't think that's getting out, but.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That just shows what type of person you are.

[Andrew Schulz]

But think about it. You know how many shit he got away with? Like, oh, my gosh, so many things. Yeah. So he not only beat so many things. I think we got to really look at this and. And the doc said this really well. If you wanted to be a hip hop artist that had access to mainstream success, there were two doorways. There was Andre Harrell in Uptown Records and there was Russell. And that was the way to get money in hip hop. Can you imagine? And R and B And R and B. Can you imagine the power? Imagine the treatment from not only the community, but the artists that want to be part of it. And on top of that, he was the brainchild for a lot of these artists. It's not like now where an artist can pop off on TikTok and then these record companies try to scoop them up and they just let that artist do their thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You had to build them.

[Andrew Schulz]

He's picking their outfits, telling them what to say, what to. So in his mind. And you even say them talk, see them talking on the. And I forget one of his buddies was saying it. It was like Andre told him is like, it's all you. It's not about the artist. You're the one that has to nurture the curate. So in his mind, he's like, they're just tools, pawns. You come to me, I make you a star. Everybody else is thinking, oh my God, he's the star maker. You're not getting treated like a normal person. And you could get away with whatever the fuck you want to get away with, because those people know there's only two ways to make it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's. I'm telling you once again, I think that's something that's in you. Like, it's some type of agree.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm not just. I'm not disagreeing with you because I've.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Seen people have that kind of power and that kind of influence and be good people. And be good people. Like, like, that's why I hate when people say, like, just that's how you got to make it in the industry. No, that's what he chose to do. You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, 100%. There's no excuses for the behavior. I'm just trying to say, like, how if you already have that disposition and then you have all these positive feedback loops for that disposition, you're going to start to believe your own power. You're gonna start to believe that you're invincible. And that is dangerous.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. And the, like, I agree with you. The At a girl thing is so weird, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

But there are dudes that do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Cause I think that they really want to suck the. Of the. Of the. That the girl is with. I really believe that.

[Alex]

Yo, this hip hop heads have done that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's weirdo shit to me. It's just like, yo, you want everybody's girl.

[Alex]

I mean, even.

[Andrew Schulz]

Cause you're not trying to fuck her, you're trying to fuck him. Not literally, but emotionally. You trying to let that guy know, yo, like, I can Take what's yours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then. Then when that guy makes a whole fucking documentary about you, that ruins your fucking life. Because I'm gonna tell you something. Everybody keeps talking about the limited amount of time that Diddy got, right? It's like, oh, he got 50 months. It ain't about the time. He'll never.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, his life is over.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Diddy again.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he told y' all in the doc, that's what drives him. Being that character, being that person is what drives him. That's. He cares about that more than he cared about his own fucking freedom. He wasn't on there saying, man, how do I keep out? Stay out of jail? How is this gonna cost me money? He's like, we're losing. You know, I wanna still be able to be me. Like, huh? Yo, there's a part. I think it's episode three or four. He's talking to his kids and he's like, God told me to be quiet, but that don't mean y' all can't talk. That don't mean y' all can't talk. What y' all gonna say? He's so worried about other people coming to his defense and being ready to lie for him. He wouldn't give that girl $5,000. Crazy. But then wanted that girl to come to his defense crazy. Had the nerve to tell that young lady. What was her name? Kalina. From Dirty Money.

[Alex]

Yeah, I forgot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Had the nerve to tell that young lady, I know you would jump in the casket for me. But when this woman was fucked up financially, reached out to him for $5,000, he wouldn't give it to her.

[Alex]

And then she's still backing him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man, get the fuck out of it.

[Andrew Schulz]

I heard a good Diddy story.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because we ain't heard one in years.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no. Not a good Diddy story. Like, just. I did that confirms some of this kind of. It's just. It's little, but I'm trying to, like, withhold certain information. Anyway, so a guy goes to meet him for a lunch. It was about like. I don't know if it was a brand or something he was building. Go. Sits down at this nice restaurant, and waiter comes over, he orders like, a salad. And Diddy goes, yo, yo, yo, yo, cut that out. You a Diddy right now. You order whatever the you want. They start eating steak, lobster, like caviar. Chef Chris Styles coming, all the things, finished the meal. It was great hanging with you, man, and I really appreciate you. I'll talk to you soon. And then he just walks out on the bill. $12,000.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No reason to not believe that.

[Andrew Schulz]

But that's the type of. That's a straight power move. I'm gonna walk out on this bill, and what are you gonna do about it? You need me. You're gonna eat that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't need you. That was good. Segue into little Rod. I don't feel like any man, right, that can say things like, oh, Diddy, you know, I woke up. What did. Little Rod said sometimes I would wake up and it'd be girls. Sometimes I wake up. It was Diddy.

[Andrew Schulz]

What. What episode is this in? You gotta keep watching.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But little Rod wanted to get paid. I feel like somebody like Rod would have been down for whatever as long as he would have got his money. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I feel like if he'd have got paid, he'd have been down for whatever.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause you ain't sticking around for that type of shit. You know what I mean? Like, he. Like, you're not sticking. How you gonna say you got sexually assaulted by Diddy, but you stuck around as a man?

[Alex]

But I think he thinks, hey, this is my big break. And that's what a lot of these dudes would take advantage of. The people, it's like, they want the big break. So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what are you really mad about, then? Are you mad things didn't go your way?

[Alex]

Yeah, he didn't get his big break.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think I would be a lot more mad if I woke up with a cock in my face.

[Alex]

I'm sure you would, but I'm just saying, this guy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, can I say, actually, no, you go, Taylor.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Taylor]

Oh, I was gonna ask this about Fonzworth Bentley. Do you think he's, like, protected? He's the. The one that's, like, dishing out all this stuff, huh?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, he's not in it, talking to them. Why?

[Taylor]

Why isn't fines worth.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because he's guilty too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think?

[Andrew Schulz]

I think there's a lot of people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why are we just putting stuff on phone.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no, no. Not guilty.

[Taylor]

I'm asking, like, we haven't heard from him. I wonder why.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, let me take that back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's a lot of people in Diddy life we haven't heard from, but we've.

[Taylor]

Seen him, like, with Diddy a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not really.

[Andrew Schulz]

If you were privy to all this shit and you saw all the shit, it. You can't exactly come out now and be like, yo, it was really bad, because there might be versions where you participated in the shit.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And to The. To the gay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying about the little rods and those guys.

[Andrew Schulz]

So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So even Kirk Burrows and those guys like that to.

[Andrew Schulz]

To the gay rumors. What's really interesting. And I think this happens to some people. People always go, oh, Hollywood. When people get into Hollywood, they start doing gay whatever. No, no. I think if you have a maniacal drive for power, you exert that power in any way you can. And I think sex also becomes something of power. You saw it in the documentary where he wants to other people's girls not because they're fine. There's plenty of girls that are fine. He wants to fuck them because it's a way of utilizing his power and showcasing his power over another individual. If your lust is for power, not even for it don't matter if it's or butthole at the end of the day, because the thing that you're trying to satisfy, the itch you're trying to scratch, is exerting that power over another individual.

[Chris]

Dominance.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dominance. And that's why he could. If he was allegedly fucking these dudes. That's what that shit was about. I bet I could fuck that. I bet I could make that guy suck my dick. I bet I can make this girl another dude. If I say so. I bet I could make that dude another dude. And I watch it has nothing. You. You stop being a sexual being in terms of procreation. Sex is just another function of this lust for power.

[Alex]

Oof.

[Andrew Schulz]

Scary.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is scary, man. And I'm telling. I think that's just something that's in people, bro. Yeah, like I don't think you just and unfortunately wake up one day with money and power. Like I'm just gonna be like this. Like that shit turned you into something that was already there.

[Chris]

That was fortunately though about it though. It tried, I thought tried to get to the root of where that I. I came from.

[Andrew Schulz]

But I think unfortunately the things that those. I think why you see these people in positions of power and success is because those primal instincts that they have actually give them a competitive advantage in the space. You and I don't want to hurt people. We care about people at the end of the day. So we're not going to do certain things that would be shameless, that would really negatively impact people. If you have that maniacal drive, you just destroy everything your way on your way to achieving your dreams. They have a way greater competitive advantage over me and you.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now at the end of the day, they go to jail and hopefully rot in prison for what they've done. But like, in terms of a one on one competition, if you're willing to just kill everybody around you, that's a big competitive edge.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I agree. And I also wanted to go back to what you said about the, you know, people who were around and saw these things. It's just like, yo, are you really having these conversations now because you truly care, right? You want these things to stop large because life really didn't turn out the way you wanted. And now that you know Debo got knocked out by Craig, you coming to snatch your chain back? You know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't. I don't. I personally is like. I'm like, I don't know if I want to hear from you, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Which one is that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All of them? Yeah, every single person. That's literally on. Except for the women. The women.

[Andrew Schulz]

I understand if you're victims. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But. But the Kirk Burrows. And why not him?

[Alex]

Like, that was the one. He was the co founder, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Alex]

Yeah. Like, I think he's a good person to hear from because it's like he was really just the business and the brain.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He sexually assaulted him, bro.

[Alex]

I mean, but he called him out and tried a while ago, but lost his case.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He ain't sending my. No sexual assault.

[Alex]

I don't know if he mentioned that during it, but he probably don't want.

[Chris]

To bring that up.

[Alex]

Yeah, like, I think.

[Chris]

I think the movie's like a good cautionary tale, especially if you're in the industry for ego. Well, you see all this energy, and sometimes there's like a temptation just to go with the flow for people. Like, well, no one else is saying anything and seems to be working. Why should I say something? And now when you look at this with the perspective of time, you know, you would have wanted to be someone if you had been there, who kind of separated and removed yourself from that situation. The shit's always gonna come out, so remove yourself from that stuff. It's hard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chris]

When there's money and access.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, and blow the Carter too, Chris. Like, I don't feel like you should just walk away knowing that it's a bunch of bullshit.

[Chris]

But you remember how powerful. I'll put it like this.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can you guys speak to that time period? Yeah, yeah. I think that, like a lot of the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was there.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, well, speak. Can you just speak? Because I think a lot of people now.

[Chris]

So much bigger than anybody right now.

[Andrew Schulz]

But, but, but specifically speak to like, the gatekeeping and the power structures. Because right now, kids just go, I'll blow up on TikTok and then I'll get a record deal. And if I don't, I'll just sell out my own shows. Speak to what that time period was with music and who were the power players and what that power actually meant.

[Chris]

He had an incredible hold over the industry because he somehow managed to kind of straddle being both street hip hop and R and B, but also incredibly pop. This is especially after Biggie died, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, oh yeah, he became. He became a commercial success pop after.

[Chris]

I remember being in a club somewhere downtown and I saw Sadat X from Brand Newbie and who was like one of my favorite emcees. I can't believe I'm in the same place as Sadat X. Diddy came into the club. When I say that literally if there were 500 people there, he just walked through the door. The entire club kind of like got up and just moved with him, moved towards him, at him. He couldn't even get in. And I looked and like, literally the only two people who hadn't moved were me and Sadat X. And I was like, damn, this is the guy that people should be giving all this energy to. And Diddy, just like, he was bigger.

[Andrew Schulz]

Than the artist, bro. That's the thing.

[Chris]

He was so much bigger. So much bigger. And he just really like, dominated the space. And he felt like, why didn't Russell.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get that kind of energy?

[Chris]

I don't think Russell wanted that sort of energy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He didn't. They weren't all in the videos.

[Andrew Schulz]

And I'm saying Russell didn't have the charisma.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, Russell, he often didn't put himself out there like that. Jekyll and Hyde.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's not true. Russell did try Def Comedy Jam. He came out at the end of every single thing. It was Russell Simmons presents.

[Chris]

Thank you, Good night.

[Andrew Schulz]

He won. He gave a thing a good night. But. But he was. He had a little bit of a lisp. He wasn't a great speaker. He didn't have the but.

[Chris]

Neither was.

[Alex]

Did he.

[Chris]

I mean, Diddy just kind of forced his way through charisma.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did he. Did he created a character inside?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, but inside the actor studio. That little moment where he's in that space and his mom is there, like, there's a perfect example. He knows the space he's in. He knows it's not traditional hip hop spaces. All this is a stuffy ass white space and he is crushing that shit. He's teasing A little stuff with his mom. His mom is hilarious. There's these little back and forth. He's milking this thing. An unbelievable level of comfort in a space that it got. Yes, he went to Catholic school and that kind of stuff, but a space that you would assume he might not be completely comfortable with that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He also was an incredible character. I mean, if you had to name, like, the top five hip hop characters of all time.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, he's up there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. It's like Diddy, Snoop. I put Little John up there, right. And even though he wasn't a character, but I'm just talking about, like, Tupac and what I mean, I'm talking about aesthetic, meaning people. People. Folks can spoof. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, Diddy's easily spoofable.

[Alex]

He thinks of himself as a character. That's why, hey, I'm gonna change my name now and become a new person. He would change his name and he's, oh, I'm love now. So now I'm gonna act completely different.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because he is pretending. At the end of the day, he's a kid who grew up in the suburbs. Like, yeah, his dad was a hustler, whatever, like that. But, like, he's emulating that hustler lifestyle. And a lot of times, if you grow up outside of something, you become the greatest observer of it. So you can. You have to almost be a character to survive within it. The people who grew up in it aren't characters. It's who they are. You don't have to be a geechy dude from Monks Corner, South Carolina, or wherever the fuck.

[Alex]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, you. I'm talking to you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what I mean? It's like, because it is who you are. You don't have to think about it every single day. He has to. I'm from the suburbs. I gotta make sure these people in Harlem respect me. I have to go out of that way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was so crazy when he went walking. You ain't see that part?

[Andrew Schulz]

No. What is this, bro?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He goes walking through Harlem. He's shaking hands and hugging people. Then he gets back in the car and he's like, I gotta go take a shower. I need some hand sanitizer. He was like, yo, I've been hugging these people. I gotta go washing boiling water.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, God damn, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's ugly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, yo, that's wild to me. Like, first of all, I don't know when the last time he's done stuff like that. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I Do. I don't know if Diddy pops up in Harlem on the regular, but to be going through what you're going through, and then to just go out there, let me go shake these hands and kiss these babies and try to. I need my people to have my back type. But it's all for show. Only for you to get back in the car and be like, I need to go washing, boiling water.

[Taylor]

I didn't know it's from the suburb. Why did everyone say he's from Harlem?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know what.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean. Mount Vernon is not like Scarsdale.

[Alex]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

But it's not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know nothing about Mount Vernon.

[Chris]

I mean, it's. It has tough part.

[Andrew Schulz]

There's parts of Melbourne, and it are tough. Yeah. But it is the first suburb outside of the Bronx, so it's the first part of Westchester.

[Chris]

If you're in the Bronx and you're trying to, like, step it up, 5, 20 degrees, Mount Vernon's the next stop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

People always say he's from Harlem, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, that's y' all the question.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you woke up, you was in the studio with Diddy, and then you woke up with Diddy in the bed with you and your butt was sore, did you want to work with any other record executives ever again? Ever again, any moguls ever again, would you want to be around?

[Andrew Schulz]

I can't make music with men no more, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

I can't make music with men. I cannot make music with men.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schulz]

I can only make music with women.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I'm saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right. But he.

[Alex]

He could blackball you, though.

[Chris]

Well, it's not just blackball. He's an incredible dream seller. I had one professional interaction with him once, and, you know, it was like a radio thing. I did some sort of live event with him. And afterwards, he like, chris, you're incredible. Me and you are gonna go to the moon together. We're gonna go so far doing this shit together. I can't. You know, like, he spent 45 seconds gassing me up. I was like, oh, shit. This guy really wants to work with me. But we're going to call you soon. We're going to, you know, never heard from the guy again. Right. Like, it was all. But, like, that's just a very small thing. Like, if he wants you to believe.

[Andrew Schulz]

Steve Jobs had that, too. You get people involved in, like, there's a term for it. I forget the name, but it's like the dream Cycle, right? And everybody gets on your page and invested in this dream that you're creating. And that becomes their reality, right? And you need that and motivate big groups.

[Chris]

And you're like, man, this dude who has all this other things going on, who is.

[Andrew Schulz]

Must know how to do it.

[Chris]

He's looking at me for 30 seconds now. If you're a guy like Lil Rod and he's, you heard him, he's calling his phone, he's leaving him messages. No matter what happens, for some people who are like very desperate to kind of have that access and have that opportunity, you don't know what some people are gonna put up with. Cause they're so afraid to lose that opportunity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, I'm gonna tell you something, a lesson that I've learned. Never compromise yourself for a position, right? You can't do it. It's not worth it. You know what I'm saying? Cause at the end of the day, you're gonna end up just like Kirk Burroughs. You're going to end up just like Lil Rod, sitting on somebody's documentary, angry and upset because of choices that you made. Because it is choices that they made.

[Chris]

Yeah, but now you're kind of blaming the guy for it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm not. They made choices.

[Chris]

No, I don't think he made a choice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, come on. We can't take away. Listen, you can't take away accountability from all of these people who sat around and saw Diddy doing this wild shit, but was cool with it when it was benefiting them.

[Chris]

I think you can say this guy has a very well documented track record of ripping off artists and not paying people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, Chris. Keep that same energy. If and if Trump gets out of office and they try to round up everybody around him, everybody in his administration that was complicit, keep that same energy and be like, well, it wasn't their fault. The guy was very charming and he had a lot of power and this and that. Those guys shouldn't be arrested. No, no, no, no, no.

[Chris]

I don't know if that's a one to one comparison right there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you mean?

You either complicit or you not.

[Andrew Schulz]

I. Listen, I know I tend to agree with Sharla, which is like, not. You can be a victim and be complicit. So like, okay, so like Diddy can do something horrible to you that you shouldn't have experienced, but you can aid and abet him in doing horrible things to other people, which you shouldn't do. And just because you're a victim doesn't make it okay that you've hurt other people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And also, we always sit back and we watch people and we be like, yo, just watch how somebody treats people. Cause eventually it's gonna be your turn. You're not an exception to the rule.

[Chris]

Yup. That I get.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe those guys, like Kirk and Lil Rod thought they were exceptions to the rules. No, no.

[Chris]

So your point is, like, where were you when this was happening to Cassie? You had all this access to his lifestyle. You didn't speak out about what's happened to other people.

[Andrew Schulz]

Maybe that's why Farnsworth is not talking, because he knows.

[Chris]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

And again, I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. But it makes you look like a hero now to be like, oh, you know, he didn't pay for Biggie's funeral, but you knew that back then.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now, what I would say is, better to talk. Better to talk. Like, better to talk. At some point in time, people were.

[Chris]

Terrified of him, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah. Now they feel.

[Chris]

I pitched a project like this even 10 years ago, let's say, to somebody powerful in the industry. Very powerful, well connected person. He said it was as a podcast, but he said, that's the best podcast I've ever heard of in my life. That would be incredible. That would set the charts on fire. I am not going to be the one picking up the phone Monday morning when Diddy calls. And no one else is either. No one is touching this thing. People were scared of him because he had a lot of power. And you can see he goes for vengeance.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's all your fault.

[Chris]

Contribution.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's all your fault.

[Chris]

No, I tried to make it, but I'm saying I couldn't get anybody to back me up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's all these people's fault. This is the. That's the monster that they created and kept defeating. Yes.

[Alex]

You can't put it on them how?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you notice, I'm doing all the action. But if you know. Yes. But if you notice stuff is happening and nobody says anything, how will it ever stop?

[Alex]

Yeah, but if you're afraid of what's going to happen if you speak up, like, what if you're the only one who speaks up and you know the power that Diddy has, like, he's still complicit. Yeah. But he's blew up Kid Cudi's car. Allegedly. Like, he goes to those lengths of things.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And it's like, why would you put your life into.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you're proving my point. You're choosing your own safety and your Own security over everybody else's. So don't try to come out and act like you're doing it for the people now.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right? Maybe you're not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, People that have been hurt.

[Andrew Schulz]

How about this? How about this?

[Alex]

It's easier to do it now that he's.

[Andrew Schulz]

But if nobody. But if nobody comes out, then he gets away with it. So it's like ultimate. Coming out doesn't make you a hero, but it does make you better than staying silent. So we have to reward three years later. Yo, it's better than staying silent, bro.

[Chris]

Because this guy would have had a comeback.

[Andrew Schulz]

He would have.

[Chris]

He would have had a comeback. If this didn't come out. He would have reinvented himself as a preacher maga. What have it. Diddy would have been back.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, he's that relentless, and he needs it that bad. Like the greatest punishment that you could ever give Diddy. Take him out the game is not allow him to ever be Diddy again. And then he gotta live with himself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think? I think he wouldn't have been Diddy again before this, Doc. I think the doctor, bro. The doctors put the dildo through the heart.

[Alex]

There were people that feared that.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's funny. That's funny.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I'm. I really. I think he was done before this.

[Alex]

No, there were people who looked at the case and they're like, oh, he got off.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But there's still people like that. There's people out there right now still defending Diddy, even with this doc, and think that it's just a whole bunch of propaganda.

[Alex]

It's going to be much less after this, doc. Much less.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All I'm saying is, listen, I'm glad things have come to an end, I hope. But I'm not giving, you know, these. These guys too much.

[Andrew Schulz]

Here's a question. Here's a question I have for. For all you guys look a little.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Robin still been there right now. If he'd have got his money.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no. I'm not saying these guys are heroes. They're not heroes. But doing this thing is the right thing to do. Even if it's 30 years later. It doesn't make you a good person, but it makes you better than staying silent and allowing all these people to be victimized in perpetuity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They've already been victimized for 30. And I'm not saying you should still stay silent.

[Andrew Schulz]

When I said in perpetuity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They wouldn't have. There's a lot of people that probably wouldn't have gotten victimized if you'd have spoke up 10 years ago.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's why I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's all I'm saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Both those things can be true. Both those things could be true.

[Alex]

Diddy could have went out after them, took them out, and he would have kept on as normal. That's the thing. It's a huge risk. And I understand what you're saying, hey, take that risk to protect others. But that's putting your life up. Not everybody's built like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When he attacked Steve Stout, Steve Stout was saying, this guy is a terrible person. Everybody's scared of him because of all of the stuff he does behind. He was saying, so that's an alley. Oop. Like, you know what?

[Chris]

Then he settled, and then he settled.

[Alex]

And then he's shaking hands and laughing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I still threw it out there. Somebody else should have came, like, yo, you know what? He's right. Did he?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're saying what people should do. But people are motivated by their own salvation. And if they don't see their salvation through that, then they oftentimes won't do it. And that's just the reality of the matter. It's better that they do it 30 years in than never do it at all. But the heroic thing is to do it in the moment.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I would think so, because then you stop other people from being victims.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let's talk to some of the people again. I'm only an episode in, but, like, are there any people in the DOC that came out immediately?

[Chris]

Yeah, well, the guy Kirk filed a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Lawsuit that was to get his money back.

[Taylor]

Aubrey did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Aubrey did back in.

[Chris]

Yeah, she did.

[Andrew Schulz]

Aubrey has been doing it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She told a story that ain't nobody talking about.

[Andrew Schulz]

What's up?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Somebody came to her and said, I saw a video where Puff was fucking you and some other dude had his dick in your mouth. And I was like, I don't remember none of this shit.

[Alex]

Yeah, drunk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See what I'm saying? I don't know, yo. I don't know. All I know is this is a great documentary that just lets you know, man, do not compromise yourself for a position. That's how I feel. I mean, and that's. That's how I feel about the Roger. But on the Diddy side, there's no way power and ego should drive you in that way.

[Andrew Schulz]

But you know what's interesting, though?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You had everything, but, you know, you had the opportunity to treat people great. You could have given more jobs. You could provide jobs you could provide, make people dreams come true. You make all this money. You had everything Right. And you just wanted to fuck it off by fucking people over.

[Andrew Schulz]

But you know what's interesting is that, like his desire for power, right, made him gravitate towards a role in the industry that's different than most people. Remember, he came in going, I'm going to be a dancer. I'm going to be in the videos. And he learned pretty quickly that the real power is in the executive branch, not in the artist. Most people don't discern that. Most people see the artist getting all the love on the streets and everybody singing the songs, whatever. He also recognized throwing the parties is where the culture and the power was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's cause he was around Andre. Andre was the original lifestyle specialist with Uptown Records.

[Andrew Schulz]

Interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he was the original executive.

[Alex]

But I even found that fascinating where it's like. Like he's being like, not groomed, but like mentored by Andre. And then he's right there in front of him being like, oh, yeah, you're going to pass it down to me. Like, I'm going to take this over from you. Like, imagine speaking to your guy like you're still young in the game and you're talking to your elder crazy. I'm about to take this over from you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's two ways to look at that. Clearly, Andre being the visionary that he was and the eye for talent that.

[Andrew Schulz]

He was, saw talent in him, saw.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Talent in Diddy, because he wouldn't just have his arm around somebody that he didn't think could be that. So you are kind of grooming that individual, you know, to be your successor. So I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think you should play your position if you're diddy and not tell him what you want.

[Alex]

Yeah, I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean? Let him say that. Let it be his idea. Like, hey, I'm grooming you to do all of this right.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what is that one of the 48 laws of power?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Never. I signed a master.

[Andrew Schulz]

There you go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Law number one. Let's pay some bills, Mike. Let's pay some bills.

[Chris]

What we got?

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, guys, take a break for a second, man. You show up to a blood drive, you see Magic Johnson.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gotta get some. Gotta take your chances, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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Church announcements.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, sir. I only got. I only got one show in the books right now, man. It's in Rhode Island. Rhode Island Comedy Festival, and it's March 28th and you get tickets at theandrew. Schultz.com Charlotte what you got, my man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do I have? Damn. There was something I wanted to shout out. I don't remember though. But yeah, just go get all the stocking stuffers, man. We got books. Books galore, right? You know, we got. My comic book is out. Okay. Illuminati God presents. This is the graphic novel. So this is all five issues in one. But. But I don't know if this is available yet, but you can go get all the issues of the comic book out right now. One through Five is absolutely in stores right now. So go get that and go pre order Jess, hilarious book, Tell Death to His parent. Go pre order 2 Chain's new book, the Voice in My Head is God. Go pre order Arsenio Hall's memoir, Arsenio, all coming out next year on Black Privilege Publishing. We keep saying next year, like next year. Not in a few weeks. My God. My God. But yeah, what else we got? What you think about the merger, man? What do you think about the Netflix Warner Brothers merger? But now Paramount just jumped in and dropped, what, one? What'd they say? One hundred and something billion. All cash to snatch it away from Netflix. You know, Trump gonna let his boy get it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, are they both his boys?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. It don't seem like he's got a relationship with Netflix. Yeah, Sarandos on Netflix.

[Andrew Schulz]

My understanding was Sarandos was like talking to him specifically about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got to look at no choice.

[Andrew Schulz]

This is the tricky thing about this, right? Because, like, if this goes through with Netflix, it's probably. I mean, theaters are already dead. Theatrical releases are already dead, in my opinion. But you know, like, the only way those win is if you have massive existing IP that people have, like nostalgic connections to. Ie like Top Gun, Dune, the Minecraft movie.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, like these things that, like people who had a culture of going to movies their entire life, like we did, we'll go, okay, I want to see this. In this place that I'm used to going, I don't think the younger generation is really going to see movies anymore. Yeah, there's a few, like, horror movies that will work, but like the days of making a $300 million movie and then like the whole world going to the movie theater are dead. But this is the nail in the coffin.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Give me a reason to go to the movies. I'll go to the movies. Give me an event or give me something I need to go see. I'm going. Why? For all the reasons the shows just said, the nostalgia of it all. There's nothing better for my mental and emotional well being than walking into a movie theater, ordering a large tub of popcorn, some peanut M&MS. And a bottle of water and going to sit in the movies. I realized I don't even gotta watch the movie. You know what made me feel like that? Being a father. Cause I don't care about Wicked and all of those stuff that they go see, but I just like sitting in the theater. I'm talking about. It's like being on the Plane. You talk about a good sleep. Take me to see a good kid's movie.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Take me to see anything that's targeting children. My kids will be in there having a good time. Daddy is out. Okay.

[Alex]

Out.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So give me the movie going experience now. I am going back. They're putting out Avengers Endgame.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

With a new post credit scene. Cause Avengers Endgame is supposed to be a direct sequel to the new Doomsday. Oh, really? I'm going to see that?

[Andrew Schulz]

What do you mean they're putting out Endgame? The one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We've already seen Endgame back in theaters, I think like a week before they. A week or two before Doomsday. And it's got a post credit because Endgame didn't have a post credit scene. Yeah. So it's gonna have a post credit scene that leads into Doomsday. I gotta see it. I gotta see it. I gotta see it.

[Alex]

Then you gotta see Infinity War too. Like, they gotta put both.

[Andrew Schulz]

I love.

[Alex]

I don't wanna, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's so cool.

[Chris]

I love it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's so good. It is so good. There's only one corny moment in Endgame, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Was when all the girls.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When all the girls were. It has nothing to do with sexism. It just has to do with Marvel didn't develop none of their women characters well enough.

[Andrew Schulz]

But also, why would the girls come out together? Like, once you all got superpowers, you're no longer a girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Captain Marvel didn't even need all of them.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? Captain Marvel could have ran through that whole. By herself. It's like, yeah, we got her back.

[Taylor]

Like, get.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't even have no powers.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, sit down. You know what I'm saying? You got a gun.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, cut it out. But yes, I will be there. But yo, give me an experience and I'm going to watch. I like the movie going experience. I don't think that we should give up on that. I don't think. I think you're only going to Hollywood is only going to get the investment from these things that they put into it. So if they just, you know, succumb to all of the screaming platforms, then that's what it is. But if you give me reasons to go to the movies, I'm there.

[Andrew Schulz]

But there's just fewer reasons these days, man. I think we just need to accept that. Like. Like the biggest issue, I think is it's more enjoyable to watch a movie at the crib than it is in the movie theater.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it, though?

[Andrew Schulz]

I think, like, unless you're seeing Avatar. If I'm just seeing a random rom com, do I really need to go to the movie theater, do that? Sit at some seat that got bedbugs? Or should I just sit in my sofa and watch it and pause it when I want to pause it? Look at my phone if I want to look at my phone. Eat whatever snacks that I want to eat.

[Alex]

Yeah, but did you go to the movies to watch rom coms when you were younger?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hell, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You watched every single Adam Sandler movie in the movie theaters.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sweet Home Alabama we watch Sugar.

[Andrew Schulz]

All these movies we watch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The Wood is not a movie. Every movie I ever saw, I saw it in the theaters first. For the most part. Hell fucking yes. But yes.

[Alex]

Netflix says they're not going to stop releasing movies.

[Andrew Schulz]

They just said they're going to close the window, so they're going to be short of theatrical windows. The problem with the movies right now is that the theatrical window is so short and the gap between theater and streaming is so short, there's no urgency to go see the movie in the theaters. Like, I know it's gonna be on hbo, Max. Or I know it's gonna be on Netflix, or I know it's gonna be on Paramount in a week or two anyway. Fuck it. I won't go and sit in a shitty seat where I'm looking up from the front row.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's. Oh, no, I hate that. Now, see, that's. I'm a real moviegoer. I'm ordering my tickets online, preferably Fandango. And I'm all the way in the back, right? Because I want the best view. And I gotta see where the fucking shooter is, just in case somebody decides they wanna motherfucking get sporty in this bitch.

[Alex]

I'm like, all the way the back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like being all the way back. Top, back row.

[Andrew Schulz]

But that is. But that's the game right now. It's like, back in the day, you were willing to sit front row if it was the new release, if you needed to. Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What Madman does that?

[Taylor]

Y' all are renting it out, though.

[Andrew Schulz]

What's that?

[Taylor]

The movie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Huh?

[Andrew Schulz]

What are you talking about?

[Taylor]

Like, Wicked was you could rent it on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What kind of money you think we getting?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, that's not good. Crazy.

[Taylor]

Oh, because y'.

[Chris]

All.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay.

[Taylor]

I was making sure y'.

[Chris]

All.

[Alex]

Coach, she said, yeah, bro.

[Chris]

You guys feel the same.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying.

[Taylor]

I'm saying, like, when the Movie comes out like Wicked. It was also on streaming platforms, too. Y' all was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was. Yeah.

[Taylor]

At least that's what I saw. I saw you could rent it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, not. Not the new one.

[Alex]

Yeah, not the new one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The old one, maybe. Not the new one. The new one you had to go see in theaters.

[Chris]

Well, do you guys feel the same way about all live events or just. I mean, not that a movie is a live event. Let's say in person. Events.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It depends. I'm not going front. I have not adjusted, really, after Covid, I'm not gonna lie. Nah, I still have not adjusted. And I'm a cancer, so I never really like being around people that I don't really fuck with anyway. But after Covid, I really never truly adjusted to being back out around people, bro. Like, I know I don't like people, and I get exhausted quick, fast in a hurry.

[Chris]

Did you get to Erykah Badu?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schulz]

Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I wanted to.

[Chris]

I went Saturday.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I heard the show.

[Chris]

It was phenomenal. But there was also a minute where I was like, I just want to sit down. Everybody's standing up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, she had a Scream available. You could have bought a Scream and watched it.

[Chris]

I'm glad I did it, but I was kind of like, I'm tired.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Listen, I love Erykah Erykah Badu. And Jill Scott is my wife's favorite artist. But we had some family come into town this weekend. Cause my wife had something to do. So we ended up not being able to go last minute. But I was kind of happy.

[Chris]

That's what I mean.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? I had been too much. I had been outside a little bit too much the past week. I was like, I did John o' Brien's event, then we did the New York Times thing. Then I was in Charleston, and my girl Chris Kaylor thing. I did a little bit too much people in.

[Andrew Schulz]

I need more time. Yeah, you need a little. You need a little rest. You need a little break.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I was supposed to do something this weekend.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm like, what'd you say? No, really.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got supposed to do something this weekend and next weekend. I was like, I'll tell you after what it was afterward. I'm like, no one do it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Not worth it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Other people probably will jump at the opportunity like that. I'm probably sure, you know? But for me, it's like, eh. Eh.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, it's a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm cool. So to answer your question, Chris, it just depends what the event is.

[Alex]

I feel like People still excited for music concerts, but everything else is kind of dying down.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think even music man. I think what happened is that people were locked in during COVID They got really excited to go out. They went out to see everything, and they really celebrated being connected. And they also developed these deep connections to not only music, comedy, all these other things, and they were restricted from being able to access them. And then finally, when they were with accident, they got out there and a lot of people put, you know, these. These events on credit cards, and, you know, the. The chickens are coming home to roost with that credit card debt. People are feeling stretched in is I.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don'T spend money on experiences. So Alex's point. Yes. My daughter likes concerts, so she asked if you want to go to concert, cool. That means daddy got to get a suite then. Yeah, that's just the way it is. Yeah. And I'm fine with that because then I can invite everybody.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, all, you don't like jam pop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're not doing jam pop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How many Taylor know? Like, I'd get a suite and everybody come through. You know what I mean? All of us come through, watch the show, we go home. You know, that's the type of stuff I'll spend money on. That's what, to me, that's what money is for. Money is to provide experiences for yourself and provide experiences for others to where you have a sense of. I don't even want to call it security, just comfortable. I want to be comfortable.

[Andrew Schulz]

I agree with you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to be comfortable.

[Alex]

I think musicians are doing a better job at making their show seem exciting to come to than movie studios are doing for movies. Because, like, NBA YoungBoy, his concerts are going crazy. Drake still is selling crazy overseas. In every place, people are still excited to go to music.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Alex brings up a good point. Because there's no virality with a movie.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because you can't screenshot it, you can't take a picture. It's very hard to create the fomo. I was telling some people at Netflix this, actually, I said, guys, you have this thing where, like, so people don't screen record. When you take a screenshot of your. Of your. Of whatever show is on you, you actually are limiting the amount of, like, memes and viral culture around your content. Let people screen, record, and put it out, because that's what creates the fomo. The FOMO is not. We have this antiquated view look on, like, how to sell movies. We used to do this. We used to go. You get to Be with Tom Cruise, you get to be with the Rock. You get to be with fucking Julia Roberts. Now celebrities are so overexposed. They all got a podcast. They all got Instagram. They all got everything. So just selling two hours with them is not valuable to us. You got to sell us the plot. What's the plot of the movie? Who cares who's in it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But then I don't want you to give it away from me on social media either.

[Andrew Schulz]

Don't give the whole thing away, but give me enough of the plot. I got back into Stranger Things. I haven't watched Stranger Things in, like, four seasons, and there was so much.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The whole fucking show.

[Andrew Schulz]

Nah, it's like six.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've never watched Stranger Things.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay? I haven't watched it since, like, the first or second season, but there was so many TikToks made about the show itself and, like, the callbacks and all these other things. I started to get some fomo. I was like, oh, let me get into another show that you have now. Unfortunately, you got to give away a little bit of the show itself or the movie for us to be enticed to go see it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I feel like that about the Pennywise Show.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, the welcome to Derry.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. I want to see welcome to Dairy. Just because I'm seeing so many people talking about it. You got to see episode four. I don't even know if that shit is real or not. Meaning I don't know if that's like bots. If HBO is putting that shit out there. Because it's making me want to watch this shit. Right. I've never watched this shit ever in my life. Game of Thrones, we knew it was people, but I'm not on Twitter like that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So when you were on Twitter, you see all these people talking about a particular show. I don't know if that still works now.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think when you see it on TikTok, and it's not tweets, you actually see individuals watching it, individuals reacting to it. It could be AI, but, like. Like, to me, that motivates me because I'm like, oh, people are excited about this. You know, it's. I'm really curious to see how Marty supreme does, because they've done a really great job of building around Timothy Chalamet, and he's done so much great promo work for the movie. He understands what the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that about.

[Andrew Schulz]

Exact. That's my concern. My concern is, are they selling the plot enough to get me to go invest time in the movie? I love Timmy Chalamet. I want to see what he's up to. I love seeing him at the Knicks games. I love seeing him how he's doing his marketing thing. But at the end of the day, to get me to commit two hours to the movie, I need to be interested in this movie. And it's about a guy who wants to be a ping pong champion. And I'm like, I need a little bit more than that. You know what I mean? But tell me how they've done the best marketing job ever on this whole.

[Alex]

Time, I thought you would try to set us up for a joke. I was like, is that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is this a real movie about no ping pong?

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, that's the problem. You got to make people want to see it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

First of all, who gives a fuck about ping pong?

[Chris]

You care that it's one of the Safdie brothers?

[Andrew Schulz]

I like both of the Safdies. I think they do great work. And to me, that's enticing. But you could look at the Paul Thomas Anderson movie with Leo that's going to lose $200 million and be like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why keep saying it?

[Andrew Schulz]

Because to me, that was the death of movies. No, but that was the moment in history.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw a clip that you said that on the New York Times thing. I didn't know what, but I saw it on. I went to go look it up. It didn't lose $100 million.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, it lost more.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it didn't.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, it did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The budget was like 175, 150, and it made over 200 globally.

[Andrew Schulz]

So the budget is 150. Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it had to break even. I think they said they had to. No, no. Yeah, I think it was 140. 150 was the budget. The marketing budget was like another 50 or 75, not more. Look it up.

[Andrew Schulz]

You can look it up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it said that it made over $200 million globally.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, so when you make. Let's say you made 100. Let's say you made $150 million in the U.S. right. Does the movie studio get 100% of the ticket sales at the movie theaters?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I don't know.

[Andrew Schulz]

They get 50%. So if you make $150 million in America, you get 75 million of that to you. Right. So when a movie does 200 million that obviously the studio don't get 200 million. They get half of that. When you put your movie in China, you get 25% of what it does in China. So yes, what they do is they pre sell. They Pre sell distribution rights to different markets so that they have a little cushion. Right. They'll be like, Here we got 30 million from Italy and they're just going to distribute here in Italy. We got 10 million from the UK they're going to do it there. And that's how you offset some of the costs. But that movie will lose a significant amount of money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He hasn't broke. They're not. I don't think they're. I don't think they're going to break even. They're not even lose 200 is what I'm saying.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, because you also have to understand usually, and this could be different, but usually with an antiquated marketing system that they have for movies, whatever they spend on the movie, they spend in marketing. So if you spend 150 on the movie, you're spending 150 in marketing. So now you're 300 in the hole. In order to make 300 back, you got to make 600 in America, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That much?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, because you're only getting 50%. Oh, wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't know that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now, granted, they're going to sell streaming rights. They're going to sell it to Delta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's on screaming now. That's why I watch.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's already streaming. Yeah, it's already streaming.

[Chris]

What?

[Andrew Schulz]

Why would we even go see it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. They said the film's production budget was reported at 130 million box office grosses so far.

[Andrew Schulz]

70 million domestic, so 35 million at.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Home, 132 million international, for a worldwide total around 203, 204 million. Industry reporting and trade analysis estimated the film needs somewhere between 300 and 350 worldwide to break even. Once you account for production, marketing and the fact that studios don't keep 100% of box office revenue, some sources suggest a theatrical loss of roughly 100 million under current box office tally. Typical cost structure up, up, up.

[Andrew Schulz]

More than that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Even with a scratch.

[Alex]

Maybe there's something for other things that make.

[Andrew Schulz]

Probably, probably. But to lose 100 doesn't matter. You can't. You can't lose $100 million on a Leo. It hasn't broke even with pizza with Paul Thomas Anderson. You can't do it to me. That was the death of non existing IP cinema. That's the. That's the. Now if. If this was a movie starring Leonardo DiCaprio and it was the new Batman movie, or if it was the new Spider man movie, that's gonna make money. It's baked into our.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Those are good examples too, though, because Some of those have lost a lot of money. Well, think about the Captain Marvels of the world.

[Andrew Schulz]

All the new Marvel that we don't give a fuck about isn't gonna work. It's gotta be characters we care about.

[Alex]

Do you think potentially you're just like, prisoner of the moment? Because I feel like, like this always happens and then all of a sudden everything, everything everywhere, all at once pops up and then they're like, oh, movies are back.

[Andrew Schulz]

I would say, though, that that's the exception to the rule. And I would say that that budget was so small that it could be profitable. The problem with movies right now is that they cost so much to make that there's no way you can make that money back without a huge theatrical release. Yeah, man, if you can get movies down to like 20 to 40 million dollar budgets, you can make money. But at that point, 20 to 40 million, just put it out on streaming because the streamers would love to spend only 20 or 40 million dollars. They'll give you that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It says, you know, like on a global scale, the film industry is recovering. They said it projected to reach 34 billion this year in 2025.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's over, dogs. It's over.

[Alex]

But, you know, over the Drew, when he makes.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's over.

[Alex]

So movies are about to have. Have the best resurgence ever.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We'll see. I know one business that ain't over. Like a lot of you people are saying podcasting. God damn it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, you know what the thing with podcasting is, is that, like, podcasting isn't over. Podcasting is just the new way to say show. There's nothing that isn't a podcast, and there's nothing that is. ESPN's entire fucking. That TV lineup is also available as.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A podcast, as it should be.

[Alex]

Digital show.

[Andrew Schulz]

It just means show now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, from the audio standpoint, 600 million listeners, right? Approaching 600 million listeners. Just audio.

[Chris]

Hold on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Matter of fact, why am I repeating this like I don't have the actual goddamn data right in front of me?

[Alex]

You know what?

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm surprised.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What?

[Alex]

Are you surprised streamers haven't yet put their stream out as podcast?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy to me. I was telling academic. When academics was with Spotify, I was telling him to do that. I'm like, all of those daily rants that you're doing on screen, just put them out on your rss. I've been told that, okay, Podcast listening is growing rapidly. More than 584 million people listen to podcasts in 2025. With numbers expected to reach 619 million by 2026. Engagement is high. 34% of Americans listen to an average of 8.3 podcast episodes per week, and 83% spend more than nine hours listening weekly. Video is redefining the podcast landscape. More than half of shows are now posting full video on YouTube. Podcasting is a booming industry. The market is projected to be worth $17.5 $59 billion by 2030. Riverside makes podcasting easier. It offers studio quality recording, AI powered editing, and seamless content repurposing to help creators stand out.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I don't think podcasting goes anywhere because I think it's just. This is the new way to say show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Schulz]

Just as shows don't go anywhere. What I think has now happened is we had this great moment, right, where traditional shows, I. E. Sports center, the view, any of these shows that you're now available in versions of a podcast, they had these cable contracts, so they couldn't put their stuff online because the cable companies are saying to ESPN, Yo, I'm paying you $15 a month for protection. You can't put this content out for free if I'm paying you $15 a month. So they had to honor those contracts for a few years. What did we. What were we able to do in that moment? We were able to start these podcasts in this space that had no interruption whatsoever from legacy media that dumps tens and hundreds of millions of dollars of content. And we were able to catch a generational lick in that regard. Early, early.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We, the grandfathers, shout out to the God podfathers, Chris Moreau, in loud. Yes, sir. Hey.

[Chris]

Apparently, idiots might literally be the first podcast that was put on YouTube. Literally.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no.

[Chris]

Oh, we were very.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, Rogan was on YouTube.

[Chris]

No, but we were audio only, but on YouTube before anybody.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, wow. We just put the audio on YouTube.

[Chris]

Because I basically was like, well, all these. Remember there was a time when Breakfast Club wouldn't put the video on.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

They refused.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It would be on the dot com. Yeah, yeah, right.

[Chris]

And then people were creating like, essentially Charlemagne pages where they were ripping it and repurposing. I was like, well, shit, if this audience is here, let's just put the fucking audio up.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

And then from that we graduated to the video. But I mean, you know, that was 15 years ago almost at this point.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, all that is AI. Anyway, bro, any old audio. You hear me? I. Andrew.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, they gotta.

[Chris]

They got. Somebody's got. Somebody's gotta do something about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, somebody gotta do something. About it, man, like, that was crazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

But. But it is an interesting moment now that, like, so the space that you could argue there's way more people in it, way more money in it. It's not. It is thriving in the sense that that's what people listen and watch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's thriving if you're doing something different.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, But. But like, everybody. Everybody has a podcast, right? And what also happens, which I think will go away pretty quickly, we already noticed that it's like the celeb podcast lick. So every agent that has an actor or has a something else was like, yo, you want to start a podcast? I'll get this deal from you, from this, you know, new fledgling podcast company, and they're going to cut you a big check. They do it for a year. Nobody listens. The company doesn't make their money back. They cut them. So I think all those are getting cut loose. And I think what will happen now is, like, they've been cut loose. If people actually can curate an audience of people who fuck with you and listen to you, you'll stick around, you'll exist, you'll thrive. But the people who are just kind of like, I should do this because it's like a website, you know, like, I'm a comedian, so I should have a podcast. I'm not this. I should have a podcast. That shit going away, too. And.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you still have to treat the podcasting business like the podcasting business mean. Let audio be your foundation, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Start with audio, then put the video on top of that. I think a lot of people are doing it backwards. Therefore, you're not starting a podcast. You start. You're doing a show, you're starting a video show.

[Andrew Schulz]

I have different thoughts about that. But I think that, I mean, I.

[Chris]

Agree, a podcast is what you call a podcast at this stage of the game. Right. But when you're talking about monetizing it. Yeah. The more video becomes prominent. It's already. The war is essentially almost over. The CPMs just keep going downhill because, you know, you want to charge. Let's say 25 was the gold standard for audio mid roll. Well, what's a video CPM? I don't even know. 2.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, you're saying, like, what, YouTube pays, right?

[Chris]

So, yeah. And if I ever. I think the next step for the space is can you find a standardized metrics model? Right. Because everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

For everything across the board, because everybody's.

[Chris]

Well, I got this on this, and I got this on this, and I got this on this, and when you really want to unlock the biggest dollars, which have traditionally gone to, let's say, cable.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Or more, you know, traditional places. They have a standardized metrics, right? We don't have a standard.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, they used to have the Nielsen rating. Right. And now they have just digital ratings.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's kind of hard to have a standardized metric, though, because you got somebody like Mel Robbins whose audio is through the roof.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But her video may not be. Then you have the rare exceptions like a Rogan and he. What do you do with the real.

[Chris]

Most of the podcasts, like all the NBA podcasts I consume, I listen to the reels. Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. It's like they might not get huge views, but the reels might go super viral. But then if the sponsor is not attached to that, so then what. What you would want to do, at least what I would imagine, like is you would have an overall sponsor for the pot.

[Chris]

Right. It's not.

[Andrew Schulz]

And then they're baked into whatever the real is. It's brought to you by Bud Light or whatever it is. And then when you clip that pod to the moon, every one of those little clips has sponsorship already.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I feel like.

[Chris]

Total impressions, right?

[Andrew Schulz]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I feel like Netflix should be doing. Like, instead of, you know, trying to fight against the virality, indulge in it branded on everything. Yo, you put out these real. These shorts. I want the Netflix logo in it for everybody that's going over there. That's the only way to work, because you can't beat it.

[Alex]

But they only make money by. By subscriptions. And if you make it easier to pirate their content, then why would anybody subscribe?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because it's still just the shorts. It's just like YouTube. That's like saying we can be on social media right now looking at clips of something. Right. Like right now, we did the New York Times thing.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People are seeing clips going around, they're like, where can I watch this whole thing? That's what makes them go to YouTube.

[Alex]

Yeah, but the reason why you can't take a screenshot is so you can't screen record the whole movie.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, but I'm talking about. No, no, no. When I'm talking. Let me take a step back. When I'm talking about Netflix, I'm talking about the content that they're getting into now by saying they want to take podcasts from Spotify and put them over there. So I'm talking about those, the Bill Simmons, the ringers and everybody of the world. People are already used to Seeing clips of that and then going to find the whole episode.

[Andrew Schulz]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Netflix should let that rock. Let those clips and everything still exist. Let the virality exist and let people come back to Netflix to find it. So brand those short clips with the Netflix thing. I'm not talking about the TV shows and the movies. And I'm glad you brought that up, because if I'm a Netflix executive and I'm bringing in this new content, I'm saying we want to get in the business of podcasting. We can't look at just the way we look at our movies and our TV show.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can't do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We can't. This is something. And by the way, the model for how it works already exists. So if we're going to be in this business, I don't know exactly where we stopped, but we had to cut off. Cause we had some wifi issues. But the moral of the story is podcasting is all of new media now. All right? It's shows, it's all of that. It's not going anywhere. And actually, when we have a talking conversation about movies and all that other. This is the ip, all of the stuff that the audio scripted stuff and everything. This is the ip. We're creating that IP right now. You'll see when y' all see brilliant Indian short film.

[Andrew Schulz]

Short.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Brilliant idiot Short film.

[Andrew Schulz]

What about just film film?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why short?

Are we doing a film film too? But we got a great short film too, though.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but we're gonna have film film, short film, long film on a film. We definitely don't live action. We gotta do live action too. We got some 50 Cent live action.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We got some shit coming.

[Andrew Schulz]

50 Cent. Brilliant idiots.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, let's do some asking idiots, mate. What we got? Taylor gang. Taylor gang in the house.

[Andrew Schulz]

Taylor gang's in the house.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Big mama. Taylor.

[Andrew Schulz]

Big mama.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Andrew Schulz]

Big girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She really somebody's mom. I can't believe it.

[Andrew Schulz]

We have them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, they thought you was gonna be out here holding the baby. All crazy. Taylor. Like how Chrisean Rock was holding her.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Taylor]

Why?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know why they'll be trying to play you.

[Andrew Schulz]

How do you hold the baby?

[Taylor]

What do you mean how I hold him?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taylor be trying to make him walk. He's only.

[Taylor]

Yeah, no, he doesn't. I don't be trying to make him walk. That's pat. You can try to make him walk at three months. He's four. But he.

[Andrew Schulz]

Four months.

[Taylor]

He wanted to stand up. He don't be wanting to, like crawl. He wants to stand up.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's what's up. I like that. I like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Evolution. You never know. Evolution might have these babies.

[Taylor]

He was already turning over after two weeks when he was born. I have video proof.

[Alex]

Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really.

[Alex]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right. Art underscore by Oscar says, if you could be any Batman villain, who would it be and why? Smells like my side the farter.

[Andrew Schulz]

Any Batman villain, who would it be and why?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, historically, for me, it's always been the Joker. But I'm not gonna front, man. Yo, the way Colin Farrell played Penguin.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fire. Fire. The Riddler is fire. Scarecrow is fire. I mean, Batman got some dope ass villains. That's why I always wanted them to make an Arkham Asylum TV show. Like, especially after seeing Penguin and all that. Like an Arkham Asylum TV show. That's like real dark on some Oz type shit. You know what I mean? That would have been fire. Fire.

[Alex]

Two Face, he was cool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Two Face was fire.

[Alex]

Starting good, going bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was fire. Two Face was fire. I think I' ma still go with the Joker, though, man. You can't be Joker.

[Andrew Schulz]

Joker is great because he just wants to antagonize Batman. Like, that's his win. He don't even want money. He just wants to be a thorn in Batman's side. You are. You are the Joker.

[Alex]

You are the Joker, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

And Batman is Drake. You live to drive him crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not gonna front, man. I've been thinking about that, y'. All. I was thinking about, like, yo, 50 Cent really makes me feel like I'm not doing enough to the people who got me fucked up.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, yo, you know what I'm saying? I agree 1000%. He is inspiring me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Me too.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm letting motherfuckers off too easy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know. It's like, yo, they say, oh, let success be the best revenge. Nah, let God fight your battles.

[Andrew Schulz]

You can do two things at, man. You could be successful and destroy your opponent.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying?

[Alex]

Have a successful documentary about your opponent.

[Taylor]

Yo, that's successful between him and Diddy, though. Why is he doing this too?

[Andrew Schulz]

Because Diddy try to take him shopping.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then don't know about, like, I don't really.

[Andrew Schulz]

Stop trying to buy me clothes, man. That's weird. Don't take me shopping, dude.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then you ever see, like, sometimes you be hearing certain and you want to mix it up, but you're like, it's kind of. You know what I mean? Like, it ain't really no formidable opponents that make me just want to jump out the Window.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm saying? You know, I hear you every now and then, like, you might tap a jaw here, but it's not like, ugh. But I got some. But there's some people out there, though. There's some people out there that they think it's over.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's the other thing. It's like, there's people that don't realize that there's a longer game being played here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Way longer. Don't worry. Listen, I'm confirming my Illuminati membership this year. 40 years. No, no, 40 years over. I'm confirming my Illuminati.

[Andrew Schulz]

I love that. I love that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then, you know, y' all gonna have to look over y' all back for a long time. Okay.

[Alex]

Mm.

[Andrew Schulz]

About time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Would you rather taste food? Oh, tommythreat says, would you rather taste food but can't feel sex? Or feel sex but can't taste food?

[Andrew Schulz]

Taste food.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tommy, you sound like somebody who ain't eating or getting no pussy, to be completely honest. You trying to make us make a choice. You would rather can't feel sex? Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Cause you eat three times a day, you know, you have sex for 10 minutes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, I mean, honestly, this ain't a hard question for most women, right?

[Taylor]

I'm choosing food. I love food.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm saying, like. Cause. You know what I mean, most of these guys think they making the girl feel something. She faking.

[Taylor]

The morning sex is great, too, but it's just like you said in the moment, like food.

[Andrew Schulz]

How many times a week you having sex? It's like, right? Once a week. A bad week. You're having sex, like, four or five times.

[Taylor]

You said a bad week.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm just joking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know one thing, Tommy. We'd make all that better. We'd make the sex better and the goddamn food. You hear me?

[Andrew Schulz]

But that's not the hypothetical.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was a great night for me. Get high, eat some good food, and have sex.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, what's the next one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kenny Kelso, who is someone in the entertainment business that would be considered a brilliant idiot? All of them. Every single.

[Andrew Schulz]

Nah, nah. Don't give them that credit. Don't give them that credit. They are, bro. Don't give them that credit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just idiots.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. And there's some that are just brilliant. But, like, brilliant idiot is a specific thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got to own it, though. That's the problem. You're willing to own it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. You gotta be a brilliant idiot. You know who's a brilliant idiot? Vince Staples. Vince. Vince got good, brilliant, idiot energy. You know who else? Who I. I don't know is for certain. I've only met him once, but I think he's got the vibes. Is Woody Harrelson.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Never met him. I can see that.

[Andrew Schulz]

But I could see the vibes on him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I can see that. Vince for sure.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Who else rested dead?

[Andrew Schulz]

Quincy Jones, Tyler Tyler. Definitely Tyler.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tyler, Tyler. But see, I. I mean, I think 50 is a brilliant idiot.

[Alex]

Oh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I don't think anybody. I don't think.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sure play dumber than 50 for sure. But we really are dumb.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, 50 said the coldest I ever see. I'm gonna butcher what he says. Probably online somewhere. But apparently this could all be fake. But, like, did he send some flowers to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's real.

[Andrew Schulz]

So did he sent the. The. The rest in peace flowers?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think it was rest in peace, but that's.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't know that the idea is. It's like the bouquet of roses you put on a casket or whatever.

[Chris]

And.

[Andrew Schulz]

And. And I think Diddy said it.

[Alex]

Sorry.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think 50 said something like, I don't believe in foreplay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I don't believe in foreplay. Let's get to it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let's get, get to it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then he put. I'm a 90s grimy ninja. Don't warn me.

[Andrew Schulz]

Don't warn me. That's the most fire shit. That's crazy. These guys are crazy. Yo, that is incredible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I know what it is. I need richer enemies.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean? It ain't scary no more.

[Andrew Schulz]

You miss it, huh?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It used to be scary.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now you. Yeah, now you want a little something. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it used to be scary. It ain't scary out here no more. Scare me, man.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, you don't want that.

[Taylor]

Exactly.

[Alex]

Anxiety all over everything.

[Andrew Schulz]

Nah, but you don't want that. That's not that much comfortable in chaos. Chaos is where he's most comfortable. The anxiety comes from things going well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Anybody that's used to that. That's right. Anybody that knows me and works with me knows that, like, when I start acting crazy, things are too good. Exactly. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I know that. I know that very well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Throw some shit the fuck up.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oscar. Be savage on him. Where does mental health start and end? It starts when you acknowledge it, and it never ends. It's just like physical health. Like, you don't ever really start. You don't stop going to the gym. You know what I mean? And.

[Alex]

Oh.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And. Oh, this is a Double whammy. Oscar B. Savage on him also asked, how do we measure success without a dollar sign? Come on, Oscar. Are you happy? That's how you measure success.

[Andrew Schulz]

Does your family want to hang out with you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Do your friends want to spend time with you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. I don't care how much money you got. There's plenty of people I know with mad money who I would not consider successful because they're not happy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Will your grandkids be excited when you come over? That's a cold one, but a lot of out there. It's annoying when Grandpa and Grandma come over.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's true. That is true. What else we got? Let's do a couple more. I don't feel like. I feel like we answered that before. Best Christmas gift you ever received, Schultzy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, man. I. I mean, I just remember, like, I remember I got a moon watch once that, like, kept the title time. And this is when I was, like, young and surfing, and my mom, like, did a little switcheroo on me. She told me that they. She wasn't able to get it. And then I opened it the next morning and, like, yeah, it was. I don't know. For some reason, I just really remember that. I was like, oh, this is the coolest thing ever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I grew up Jehovah Witness.

[Andrew Schulz]

So what was the. What was the best one? You didn't smell the Jheri curl that year?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Never got. I never got Christmas gifts. You don't celebrate Christmas well now, though.

[Taylor]

You do Christmas now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. But the best gift that I get now is, you know, being in a position to provide for other people. You know what I'm saying? And I'm telling you, man, there's nothing like waking up Christmas.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, Boo. I'm just telling you, that's not the question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's the best gift. The best gift is the gift that God gave me to be able to wait.

[Alex]

The second best gift.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I subscribed to. Nevermind.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, say it, say it, say it, say it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You ready to believe it? No, that's not fair.

[Andrew Schulz]

You ready to bleep it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schulz]

You ready to bleep it? And I'll finish it. I'll finish it if we bleep it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you know what I want to say.

[Andrew Schulz]

We've been doing it too long. We've been doing it too long.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Understand?

[Andrew Schulz]

We've been doing it too long to know exactly. It's a wavelength you gotta get on. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. It's Dwyane Wade and LeBron. You never know when it's gonna hit you. Oh, yo, just bleep what I say, but keep everything else comments.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Figure it out.

[Andrew Schulz]

I guarantee there's like, 20% of Brilliant know exactly what the fuck we just did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fill in the blank comments, as always. If you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast and think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Thank you for listening.