Flameboyant

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots – “Flameboyant”

Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God, Andrew Schulz
Date: October 31, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Charlamagne Tha God and Andrew Schulz – joined by their regular crew – dig into topics at the intersection of politics, pop culture, race, and current events, delivering their usual blend of sharp insight, wild stereotyping, and irreverent humor. With government shutdown chaos, Hollywood’s shifting geography, class and race in America, podcasting as a cultural force, and personal anecdotes galore, the “Flameboyant” episode embodies everything fans love (and hate) about The Brilliant Idiots.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Stereotypes, Profiling, and the Power of Perception

• On Stereotyping as Banter
  The crew kicks off with self-aware jokes about stereotypical roles (Jewish lawyers, Asian doctors), dissecting both the value and pitfalls of cultural profiling:

  “We stereotype. Yeah. Chris, you know who is our resident Jewish Asian. He has two things covered. Yes, right.”—Charlamagne [01:00]

• Political Parody
  The hosts talk about how public perception is largely formed by quick-hit social media clips rather than full context.

  “This is like. It’s Charlemagne is this type of person. Why do you think that? Because I saw a 30 second TikTok that said he’s that type of person.”—Andrew [04:10]

• Internet Labels vs. Reality
  Schulz and Charlamagne reflect on how easily people’s views are shaped – then upended when real relationships or encounters happen.

Stereotypes in Professions: AI and Cultural Shifts

• Rise of AI and Its Threat to Traditional Roles
  Chris notes how ChatGPT-type tech will threaten “paper-pushing” lawyers, especially contract review.

  “If you’re just pushing paper, you got a problem.”—Chris [02:11]

Political Critique and Accountability

• Holding Leaders Accountable
  The group examines the cycle of voting, disappointment, and critique with new city administrations, pushing back against the “you can’t complain, you voted for them” narrative.

  “But it’s not what I voted for. If he doesn’t do the thing that I want him to do…”—Alex [06:42]

• Love-Bombing Politics
  Charlamagne, in classic analogy, compares politicians’ charm offensive to relationship “love-bombing”:

  “All politicians Love Bomb. You give up some ass, and then you may or may not regret fucking them…”—Charlamagne [07:01]

Immigration, ICE, and Civil Disobedience

• ICE Raids in NYC – The crew jokes and debates about activism, when to intervene, and how social pressure impacts actual risk-taking.
  • Chris: “If you’ve never intervened during a police interaction, you’re not gonna intervene with ICE.” [14:06]
• White Privilege as a Shield
  Chris contends white people should be first to nonviolently intervene:

  “We gotta be at the front of this shit. We gotta step up. We’re the ones who gotta intervene peacefully. That’s right. Nonviolently.”—Chris [16:35]

Hollywood’s Collapse and the Rise of Jersey

• Industry Migration: LA to Jersey
  The hosts discuss (and endorse) the flow of film and streaming giants into New Jersey as Hollywood hollowed out by policy, cost, and changing incentives.
  • “Lionsgate is in Newark. Netflix is in [Monmouth?]…Big Jersey is where it’s at.” —Charlamagne [21:46]
  • “Shout out Jersey. I would like Jersey to have a redemption arc.” —Schulz [22:01]
• They paint Jersey as a “future Hollywood,” reflecting on geography, cost, and reputation.

Relationships, Marriage Norms, and Gender Roles

• Proposals, Rings, and Gender Flips
  The group delves into unconventional marriage proposals—Mase (guest via clip) had asked his girlfriend to buy the ring as proof she was serious about marriage.
  • “[Mase] oozes personality. Yes, he was a phenomenal rapper. We love the songs, but I don’t think you got this side of Mase.” —Schulz [35:04]
• Equality & Public Proposals
  Arguments over whether women should propose and experience public rejection too, in the name of equality:
  • “You don’t think we need to see just a few more years of women getting down on a knee, proposing and getting embarrassed publicly?” —Charlamagne [43:04]

The Role of Podcasting in Culture

• The Secret Sauce: Having a ‘Base’
  Insightful segment on successful podcasters picking a “base” (sports, hip-hop, etc.), and layering broader conversations on top:
  • “As long as you got your base, you can build whatever on top…Our base is idiots.” —Charlamagne [40:03]

Government Shutdown, SNAP, and Priorities

• Government Shutdown and Hunger
  Passionate exchange on impacts of the shutdown, with a focus on SNAP (food benefits), the ethics of leveraging people’s desperation for political gain, and misplaced government priorities.
  • “You got people who haven’t had checks in three weeks…now you’re taking away people’s SNAP and wicks, so now people can’t even keep their food in their stomachs.”—Charlamagne [52:30]
• America’s Double Standard: Billions Abroad, Hunger at Home
  Frustration at U.S. billions sent overseas (Argentina, Taiwan, wars) while domestic programs languish.
  • “There’s no way in the world I can be President…know 42 million people are about to lose their food aid, and I give $40 billion to another country.”—Charlamagne [66:30]
  • Both hosts agree: “America eats first” should be the law.

Lobbying, Purity Tests, and Political Nuance

• The Downside of Purity in Party Politics
  Schulz laments the loss of diversity within parties—no room for Democrats against abortion, for example.
  • “You do one thing that the party doesn’t like and they throw you out with the trash.” [84:49]
• Lobbyists and Integrity
  Lively debate on politicians’ relationship to lobbyists—must you be beholden to donors, and is it possible to be transparent yet independent?

Media, Social Algorithms, and Cultural Polarization

• How Social Media Kills Nuance
  Schulz explains the economics behind why we don’t reward thoughtful takes online:
  • “Trying to be nuanced right now gets no algorithmic support.” [87:37]
• Foreign Influence and the Death of the “Monoculture”
  Chris and Charlamagne circle back to how America’s “gray area thinking” has been eroded by social media engineering and outside influence.

Pop Culture, Local Allegiances, and Food

• Best Food & Culture Cities
  Friendly debate: Schulz argues for NYC, Charlamagne for New Orleans/Charleston (Geechee Gullah), highlighting the blend of culinary and cultural heritage.
• Versus Battles & Regional Allegiance
  References to Cash Money vs. No Limit and how such events used to create a shared “monoculture” before social media.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We stereotype. That’s how we warm up.” —Charlamagne [00:50]
• “If you’re just pushing paper, you got a problem.” —Chris [02:11]
• “All politicians love bomb you… If they do a good job, you let them go a little deeper.” —Charlamagne [07:01]
• “We gotta be at the front of this shit. We gotta step up. We’re the ones who gotta intervene peacefully. That’s right. Nonviolently.” —Chris [16:35]
• “Lionsgate is in Newark. Netflix is in [Monmouth?]…Big Jersey is where it’s at.” –Charlamagne [21:46]
• “As long as you got your base, you can build whatever on top…Our base is idiots.” —Charlamagne [40:03]
• “You don’t think we need to see just a few more years of women getting down on a knee, proposing and getting embarrassed publicly?” —Charlamagne [43:04]
• “America eats first. That should be the American policy—foreign and within the country.” —Schulz [68:41]
• “Trying to be nuanced right now gets no algorithmic support.” —Schulz [87:37]
• “Don’t just say food—your bills, your rent, your mortgage, all that.” —Charlamagne [59:57]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Stereotyping & Perception (00:32 – 05:00)
• AI, Tech, and Professional Stereotypes (01:48 – 02:19)
• Political Critique & Voter Accountability (05:21 – 08:28)
• ICE, Immigration & Civil Disobedience (08:28 – 16:50)
• Hollywood’s Decline & Jersey’s Rise (20:54 – 23:53)
• Marriage & Gender Norms (33:49 – 43:04)
• The Power of Podcast ‘Base’ (39:53 – 41:12)
• Gov’t Shutdown, SNAP, and Priorities (51:36 – 68:53)
• Lobbying & Beholden Politicians (73:13 – 83:13)
• Media Algorithms & Cultural Polarization (87:38 – 89:41)
• Best Food Cities Argument (98:54 – 103:55)
• Charitable Giving / Food Banks (106:16 – 107:58)

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Tone & Language

Consistently bold, self-deprecating, and raw. The episode combines wild humor, deep cultural reflection, and blunt real-talk with moments of genuine insight and care for their listeners. The banter is fast, full of interruptions and one-liners, yet at its best lands on deeper points about modern America.

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Conclusion

True to form, “Flameboyant” delivers a hybrid of idiotic and brilliant takes. From high-level debates about government policy and media manipulation to sharp, occasionally reckless breakdowns of culture and race, this episode is a rich—but never dull—ride through America in 2025. Ribbing aside, the techniques underlying podcast and political success, the real-life fallout of government dysfunction, and the sense of loss over shared cultural experiences transform this episode into both a time capsule and a provocation.

Recommended for anyone who wants:

• An intelligent but accessible breakdown of hard news
• Sharp (sometimes biting) social and political commentary
• Insight into podcasting, cultural movements, and media criticism
• Pure comedy and wild off-the-cuff banter

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Listen if you enjoy:

• “Idiot” wisdom on life, culture, and politics
• Unfiltered, real talk about America right now
• Humor with a purpose—sometimes

Note: Ads, intros, and outros have been omitted for a streamlined summary.

Transcript

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[A]

Yep. Charlamagne Tha God.

[B]

Andrew Schultz.

[A]

We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiot ness.

[B]

Chris.

[A]

Okay. Oh, great. Okay. How you doing, Heather?

[B]

Oh, we out here talking, man. We was talking so much shit before the podcast even started, bro.

[A]

No, we was stereotyping. You know, this is what we do. Really good on this show.

[B]

That's how we warm up.

[A]

We stereotype.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Chris, you know who is our resident Jewish Asian. He has two things covered. Yes, right. And you said that Jewish Asian is what?

[B]

Sean?

[A]

What did I say?

[B]

It sounded.

[A]

I don't know what you going to do now?

[B]

I just want to clap.

[A]

What you going to do next? Sounded like honky tong. You thought I said Jewish agent. I don't know.

[B]

That's what I thought he said too.

[A]

Jewish Asian.

[B]

He's our Jewish Asian.

[A]

Both. He represents Israel and Taiwan. All right. And Brooklyn.

[C]

And Ireland.

[A]

And Ireland.

[B]

Now don't do that. I'm tired of motherfuckers claiming Ireland, bro.

[A]

Be about it, but I'm about to.

[C]

Claim it in a very big way.

[A]

Really? You moving? God damn.

[B]

Damn, bro. Donnie got him out of here, bro.

[A]

Dang.

[B]

Donnie got you out of here.

[C]

I have strong Irish roots and I'm embracing them. It has nothing to do with anybody coming in or out of power, man.

[B]

Get the fuck outta here. You see this guy? All of a sudden wanna be Irish?

[A]

Chris, you brought up a good point. You said, what'd you say about Jewish lawyers?

[B]

I said Jewish lawyers are about to be done. ChatGPT is taking away. No, what happened is Chris said, you need the Jews. We're the best doctors and we're the best lawyers.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You said Indians took over the doctors, which is true.

[A]

That's a fact.

[B]

Lawyers. ChatGPT might come for that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not in terms of being in the court.

[C]

A certain type of lawyer that only works with contracts.

[B]

Just looking at the contracts. ChatGPT gonna look over everything.

[C]

The lawyer who's a deal maker or a connector, a job finder, they're always gonna Have a role. But if you're just pushing paper, you got a problem.

[B]

Yes, go on, Go on. And then what else were you saying?

[A]

The Saudis are taking over Hollywood.

[B]

Saudis are taking over Hollywood. Thank you so much. That's the other thing I said. I said, juice, you guys start producing movies again. You spending too much money on apac. You need to spend money on H Pack, which is Hollywood.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

And then you need to put that fucking thing down and start making the movies that we love.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

We love these movies.

[A]

Damn. I don't even know why we started talking about that. We were just being profiling for whatever reason. But.

[B]

Yeah. Did we already get too racist? No, no, no.

[A]

I don't think it's racist at all. I think that we're thinking about the future. We're think where the world is going.

[B]

Where is the world, yo?

[A]

Because you got to think, you know, for people like us who, you know, we. We do profile. We do stereotype.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Who does that?

[A]

I'm just. I mean, like, in a good way, though.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Like, like, jokingly, like, in a good way.

[B]

I don't do. I don't even believe that.

[A]

No. Somebody said something about. I was doing a podcast earlier.

[B]

Don't you put this.

[A]

No, I'm not even joking. I promise you. I was doing a podcast earlier with somebody, and they was like, you know, Andrew has the whole racist aesthetic. And I said, why? Cause he's white.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. No, this what they said.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had to laugh. They was like, but the little mustache.

[B]

He's not little.

[A]

I thought it was for a movie. No, this is when you had the little joint.

[B]

I never had a little one.

[A]

You never had a little one?

[B]

See how y' all are so racist?

[A]

Yeah, he never had a little one.

[D]

Oh, you talk about the haircut.

[A]

She did say the haircut. She said the haircut. The mustache.

[B]

Who is this bigot? You were doing a podcast.

[A]

Who's this? I held it down, though, but it just. It was just. It's just. It was just funny how we like profile and she had a whole perspective of you.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Because of your political views, which she did say she's seen you change.

[B]

There's no change. There's no change. You just don't know my political views. You watch a TikTok on my nuance. There's no nuance. You just saw what people told you.

[A]

This is nuance.

[B]

Like, yes, I get what I say. My point is, like, this is like. It's. It's like this. It's something good going. It's Charlemagne is this type of person. Well, why do you think that? Well, because I saw a 30 second tick tock that said he's that type of person.

[D]

And then they meet.

[B]

You're gay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they meet you and they're like, all right, sometimes tick tock is right. But it doesn't mean it's not always. You know what I mean? It's not every single time. You know what's funny? You know, it's mad funny. It's like people like yo, Charlamagne just pretends about that gay. And then they'll be at some, like, cheerleading conference and be like, nah, he's about that life, that motherfucker. Every weekend is watching cheerleading. What's going on with this guy Wide Wayne?

[A]

That shit is crazy. You know what pisses me off? When you be at cheerleading competitions and somebody be like, yo, Charlemagne, what you doing here?

[B]

Yeah, like, you can't.

[A]

What the fuck you mean I'm doing here? My daughter cheers you motherfucker. Who the fuck you think I'm here scoping out the scene, you fuck. Like, it's the way they say it.

[B]

Like, who the fuck you mean? You're a fan?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

You gotta lean in.

[A]

What the fuck? A cheers you, motherfucker.

[B]

Yeah, what a piece of shit. All right, anyway, point is, is, like, people get all their information for TikTok, then they sit down with you, and then they realize that you're not this version that somebody made up of who you are.

[A]

Six, seven, bro.

[B]

But also seven six. That's seven six. When it's bad, it's seven six. You know what I mean?

[A]

When it's true, it's like, yo, everybody has these perceptions, man. You just don't know what to do with it.

[B]

And then you sit down with them, and they're like, oh, you've changed. It's like, no, you idio. It's like, you just didn't know who I was. You let someone on the Internet say who I was, and then you found out who I was, and you assume that all of a sudden I've just changed who I am.

[A]

But people should be able to critique. I should be able to make a decision. And then if later on I want to critique that decision, I should be able to do that, right? So let me ask you a question, Alex. You a Mandani, right?

[D]

I'm voting for Mandani.

[A]

Yeah. You died with Mundani, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When the comes in, the city doesn't get anything done, people start critiquing him like he's a regular politician because, you know, that's how it is. Everybody loves the honeymoon phase. As soon as you get any nothing done, they on your ass, and it ain't going to take long.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you not going to critique them?

[D]

Of course.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And then when you critique them, what should people say?

[D]

They should say, that's good that you're holding.

[A]

They shouldn't call you maga. They shouldn't say you're a Republican. They shouldn't say you're a xenophobic.

[B]

So they say, this is what you asked for.

[D]

That's what they're going to say.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

No, they should say this is what you voted for because it is exactly.

[B]

What you voted for. Yeah.

[A]

And that's okay.

[B]

Yeah, but it actually.

[D]

No, but it's not what I voted for. If he doesn't do the thing that I want him to do, then it's.

[B]

Oh, hey, whoa, whoa. Don't say that.

[E]

Oh, too much.

[B]

My bad. You can't say that. You can't say you voted for whatever he does. Even if he does things that you didn't, that he never said he would do or you didn't want to do, that's what you voted for.

[A]

Nothing wrong with getting love bomb.

[C]

Nah.

[D]

I mean, you shouldn't want to.

[A]

Yeah, but you. You are. We talked about it last week. All politicians Love Bomb. You. You give up some ass, and then you may or may not regret fucking them. But if they do a good job, you let them go a little deeper.

[B]

It is. It is. Yo, you're crazy.

[A]

What?

[B]

You're crazy. Listen, we all hope that whoever wins does things that help New Yorkers in this great city. That's what we all hope. Clearly, that's what we.

[A]

That's how I roll.

[B]

Charlamagne just wants to see the world burn.

[A]

Yeah, I really don't.

[C]

Yes, you do.

[A]

No, I don't. Charlemagne. I want to have pockets of peace where I know. You know what? All right, at least we cool here. You know, I know if Mandani wins, which probably is. I just want everybody to be prepared for what's to come.

[B]

You know what? When I.

[A]

What comes? A lot of government overreach.

[B]

I do this podcast, the Trump administrator, every single week.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And sometimes you'll say shit and it. And I, I, I understand the feeling of that guy that threw the shoes at Bush, because that's what I want to do to you multiple times throughout a podcast. I just want. Even now, as you're chewing your bottom.

[A]

But you realize I'm right. Later. Yeah, maybe. Who are you talking about?

[B]

George Bush. Remember when the dude People in the Middle East. Remember when he dumped the shoes?

[A]

Oh, shit. Damn the shoes. God damn. All I'm saying is when Mondani wins. Yeah. It's gonna be government overreach. Trump has already said it. Your man Tom. What's Tom's name?

[C]

Holman.

[B]

My name is Tom.

[A]

Tom Holman.

[B]

Tom Holman.

[A]

Tom Holman already said it. Tom Holman says he wants Madadi to get out the way bows ice will flood the zone in nyc. Damn, they did that shit last week as just a little taste.

[D]

And us New Yorkers fought back like we do.

[A]

What'd you see? Nobody on Canal street since.

[B]

Yeah, Canal Street, I guess you're talking about.

[A]

Canal street is a motherfucker.

[C]

Is it?

[A]

What? They are gone.

[B]

I will say there's a lot less clean Air Force ones on the street, so I'm not trying to call anybody out, but you were wearing the fakes.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

You were wearing a Sudanese Air Force once.

[A]

And what do you mean New Yorkers?

[D]

Far back, like, when the ICE agents were there, there were New Yorkers that were, like, getting in between them and the Sudanian people.

[A]

Well, guess what? Canal street is clean right now. Ain't nobody on Canal street, bro. Okay? Y' all talk. Everybody talk all that talk till they hear that doom Canal Street.

[D]

But.

[B]

Yo, be honest. If Ice came through with the Vanilla.

[A]

Ice, I'm shocked they haven't done it yet.

[B]

Coming out the car like the.

[A]

I'm shocked they haven't done it yet.

[B]

The Mr. Softy.

[A]

I'm shocked. I'm shocked they haven't done it yet. I ain't even seen it on Instagram.

[B]

You would laugh. You would fight it, but you would laugh.

[D]

You know, they listen. And I bet you give it two days now, you gonna see that.

[A]

Throw a dildo at Alex.

[B]

You don't catch in his mouth like a seal at the aquarium.

[A]

I don't like none of this. I'm just telling you what's going to happen, that's all. And I don't want it to happen. I'm just telling you. You got to know it's coming.

[B]

Just say we're not mature enough to have this conversation.

[A]

We are mature enough to have this conversation. Are we mature enough to have it in a mature way? If you listen to the shit we're saying in between the lines, you'll get it. You'll be like, clap for that.

[B]

I gotta give You a round of applause for that. What you said was fire, man.

[A]

We're mature enough to have this conversation. Enough to have it. Dun dun dun dun dun. I'm telling you.

[B]

Guilty.

[A]

What we got is up. It is fucked up, but that's what's going to happen.

[B]

But why is fucked up shit funny? That's not our fault. God made it that way.

[A]

Damn right.

[B]

Like he made us laugh at that shit, bro. Say again?

[A]

Satan got a kingdom, too.

[B]

You think Satan is the one with the sense of humor?

[A]

Satan got a kingdom. I'm just saying Satan got a kingdom, too.

[B]

Who put that in your head, Satan or God? The dun dun dun dun da dun dun.

[A]

No fucking Rip Van Winkle. What was Vanilla Ice name? Oh, yeah, he was something that I didn't even make.

[C]

I thought you were singing. This is how old I am. Under pressure.

[B]

That's the same.

[A]

I know.

[C]

So when I hear it, I think under pressure. I don't even think I saw his baby.

[A]

Yo, Tom. Yo, you need help picking people up, man? I got somebody.

[C]

Nah, stop that.

[A]

Yo, Tom.

[B]

Yo, Chris is going home. Chris is going home.

[A]

Why don't they give you a choice, Chris? They're like.

[C]

I told my kids this weekend, I might get arrested if I see Ice.

[A]

For why?

[B]

For doing what?

[A]

For doing.

[B]

What are you going to do to.

[C]

Intervene, Chris, I'm not going to touch anybody.

[B]

Ice, pull up in the scooter.

[C]

James Harden was scoring 100 points a game. They were guarding them like this. Yeah, with the hands behind the back.

[B]

That's how you'll do it.

[C]

I'm going to hands behind the back. Let's talk about this not initiating any contact.

[A]

Yeah, this is a good point you.

[C]

Bring up talking about, but I'm worried about the bathrooms in jail. That's why.

[A]

How do you know when to intervene?

[B]

What do you think's gonna be in the bathroom?

[C]

I have stomach problems sometimes.

[B]

I don't, you know, but you think someone's gonna use that tight little.

[A]

You might need that. No, you might need that. You might need to let one. You let one guy do it, your butt throws up all over the place. People leave you alone. I'm talking about me. Me.

[B]

Butt throws up.

[A]

People leave you alone.

[B]

If your butt throws up.

[A]

Oh, my God. Leave you alone.

[B]

How you throw about your butt.

[A]

I mean, shit, if it goes deep enough, it's just like when you put a finger down your throat.

[B]

Yeah, but they don't call that butt throw up for Chris. They call that butt sauce.

[A]

Sore sauce.

[B]

You got the sore sauce, Chris.

[A]

Which Brings up a good point.

[B]

Yeah, you do, Chris.

[A]

How do you know when to interview?

[B]

You do.

[A]

Because what if they are actual illegal immigrants? Yes.

[C]

Well, what if the better argument is what if it's actually a violent criminal?

[A]

Right.

[C]

And you intervene in the stopping.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. It's an illegal immigrant who's a violent criminal. ICE is actually doing what they're supposed to do.

[C]

My calculation is they've so overstepped whatever sort of jurisdiction they have, they've.

[B]

So that you'll protect the violent criminals, too?

[C]

No, I didn't say that.

[A]

But what if. How do you know? How do you know? How do you know?

[C]

I think you have to make a calculation that you're against the principle of what's happening and I'm against the principle.

[B]

But aren't you for the principle of arresting violent criminals and setting them up?

[A]

A legal. A violent.

[C]

Well, let me turn. Let me turn it the other way. Are you against the arrest and people being detained who aren't violent criminals?

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[C]

Okay. So then you should be very upset about what's happening.

[A]

I'm with you, but how do you know the difference is what.

[B]

I said that shit initially.

[C]

Yeah, sure you don't. And that's. That's the unfortunate position that we've been put in, is that we can't believe that they're going after violent criminals. Only they're clearly going after everybody. They're where? I mean, look, my belief on ICE is that this is a test. This is the canary in the coal mine. We're going to flood these cities with masked armed men who don't seem to report to anybody, who don't have to follow any sort of jurisdiction. And we're going to say it's about getting illegal, violent criminals now, but it's really about seeing what we can get away with. So on that principle alone, I got to stand up against.

[A]

I'm going to be honest with you, Chris. I'm not saying that you wouldn't without using my hands. Yeah, I'm not saying you wouldn't, but I think that if you've never intervened during a police interaction.

[C]

I don't want to, Chris, but I'm.

[A]

Saying you're not going to intervene with ice.

[B]

You're not going to intervene.

[A]

You've never intervened with a police interaction, because I'm sure throughout your life you've seen police harassing people, probably assaulting people. If you've never intervened in that, you're not gonna intervene in ice.

[C]

I've been in situations with Cops and I generally fold. Yeah.

[A]

So what makes you think you're gonna stand up to ice? See, people say, shit, that sounds good until it's actually time for some action.

[B]

Till you hear that.

[C]

I think I'm fed up.

[B]

Huh?

[C]

I think I'm fed up. I think I watched a documentary about the umbrella protests in Hong Kong over the weekend, and I. Oh, yeah, I saw where that got to, and I.

[B]

Was like, they were processing the sun or what was the. Why do Asians hate the sun so much? What's wrong with this?

[C]

It's hot over there.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Why crazy? Why am I crazy? You know they hate the sun.

[A]

You're a crazy guy, bro.

[B]

So how do you know that the protest wasn't about anything? Besides, that is global warming.

[C]

I just want to know, will you guys bail me out if I step in on in an ice situation? You guys are very welcome.

[A]

I got to hear the whole story.

[B]

Who do the telling?

[A]

Me. I really do.

[B]

Who do the Chinese.

[A]

I got to hear the whole story.

[B]

Who the Chinese hate the most?

[C]

Japanese.

[B]

What's on their flag?

[C]

The rising sun.

[B]

When I'm right, I'm right.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

When I'm right, I'm right. The umbrella protest Charlemagne was about the son. They're protesting Japan.

[A]

I gotta hear the story.

[B]

They're protesting Japan.

[A]

No, stop it. Would you bail Chris out? He asked you.

[B]

I'm gonna let him sit there for the weekend.

[A]

It depends. I gotta hear the whole story. Like, what happened?

[B]

Yo, if he attacked the door.

[A]

If they say to me, yo, if they say, yo, there was some ICE agents out here. They was harassing this old woman who's clearly a citizen. She kept screaming that she's a legal citizen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so Chris intervened. I'd be like, all right, go get Chris. But if they be like, yo, there was some illegal immigrants out here. They were violent. They all had warrants for, like, abuse or something.

[C]

Well, you're taking their word at that point.

[A]

I got it.

[B]

They're officers of the law. When did they lie?

[A]

Okay, what if they said, hey, we told your friend that this was what happened?

[B]

Yup.

[A]

And he still intervened.

[B]

Yup.

[C]

But I'm not touching anybody.

[B]

No, no, but you intervened.

[C]

My opinion.

[B]

You used your whiteness. You use your white hat.

[C]

I'm gonna activate my white privilege for this situation. And then I've been holding onto it for a long time. Now it's time to activate it. White people out there.

[B]

We out there.

[A]

I do like that activation. I like when white people use their freedom.

[C]

We gotta be at the front of this shit. We gotta step up. We're the ones who gotta intervene peacefully. That's right. Nonviolently.

[A]

Go ahead, Chris. No kings.

[C]

But it's on us right now.

[A]

No kings.

[C]

No kings.

[A]

No kings.

[B]

No kings.

[C]

I don't even like that as a framing for those.

[A]

Me neither.

[C]

But anyway, why I'm going to talk about it. It's almost a compliment. Oh, you're a king? No, no dictators. That's what this shit is about.

[A]

No dictators. Respect the constitution. How about. How about that was common, this whole.

[B]

Thing with Buddha judge.

[A]

How about what?

[B]

Oh, no dictators.

[A]

How about, how about. How about what we actually want the call to action to be?

[B]

Ooh, what does that mean?

[A]

Like whatever the call to action is. Like a lot of people are calling for a general strike. Why not call it a general strike march? Like the no kings thing was cool. I like the, the, the amount of people that came out, but it's just like we don't have a king.

[B]

I wish I had that much free time.

[A]

Bro.

[C]

That's bullshit. That whole narrative. My daughter went, she said some old older women rolled on her. Like, you guys just need a job, you're not working. Yeah, that's some fucking talking points. Oh, okay, my, yeah, look, my 82 and 83 year old parents marching that shit. My, my father, lifelong Republican.

[B]

Don't they not have jobs though?

[C]

They retired. My dad does have a job. He still works.

[A]

But I've seen a 90 year old woman out there saying she ain't never seen it like this, you know, what the fuck she has seen at 90 years old.

[C]

To say that for my father to physically go to a, as a Republican to go to a protest. Yeah, very significant. And the fact that then, you know, this guy releases a video of him shitting on people's heads, that shows fire, whatever.

[B]

I mean, yo, you know, it's funny.

[C]

We were talking about my parents head is not funny.

[A]

But.

[B]

What, Your dad wasn't in the video? Okay, what are you talking about?

[A]

Shit in your dad's head that's not becoming of a president.

[B]

You know, if none of it is becoming. Here's, here's the problem. Here's the problem. It's like I see it and I was talking to guys about this, but like I see a lot of other politicians trying to do what he does. Like AOC tries to do it too. Like she's trying to like own people on Twitter. And it's like if you're, if Trump just got a thing where he's funny, it Is what it is. We all acknowledge this. He is funny. So he gets away with shit that most people can't get away with because he's funny. Oh, when I see the other politicians doing it, it just comes across so cringe. I don't think that they're getting the benefit.

[A]

It's very cringe. That's why the only one it works for is Gavin. Because Gavin is actually letting people know I'm mimicking him. I'm not trying to do a cheap second rate version of Trump. I'm actually mimicking him. It's a mirror. It's the mirror.

[B]

Gavin is just like such a sociopath.

[A]

Y' all wanted to ask me that why Gavin won't do Rogan. Yo, what's up with that? I didn't get the chance to watch you in Rogan's episode, but I saw it on. I was actually watching on Saturday and they had a whole segment about.

[B]

About how. Because Gavin keeps throwing it.

[A]

And they was playing the clip of you and Rogan talking about it and.

[B]

I was like, yo, you gotta get him on.

[A]

And Gavin was on. I think Gavin was on Higher Learning, saying that Rogan won't have him on.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Was it Higher Learning or he was on all the Smoke as well?

[A]

Maybe both. I don't know.

[B]

I think he was on all the Smoke.

[A]

He definitely was on all the Smoke.

[B]

He was funny.

[A]

But why won't Rogan have him?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. I honestly don't think that he's against it. But I think the fact that Gavin is trying to bully himself on, I think Rogan's like, what are you. This is not how you're gonna get on my podcast, trying to tell me I'm short or tell me whatever. But again, I don't know. That's. That's on him. I think he should have him on because I think he might get eaten up. Gavin's not in a position where he gets to go, look at my work. Look how great it is. People are leaving the state.

[A]

That's a fact.

[B]

So if you run the state, people are leaving. That's all the evidence you need to know that you're not doing a good job. You're not making it a place where people want to live. So if people are leaving the state that you're running, why would they want to stay in the country that you would run if you ran for president?

[A]

Yeah, it's interesting with Gavin because, you know, he touts the economy a lot. I wonder if the California Economy is going to be the same four years from now.

[B]

Even though it's like, the California economy is not great. It's the same way as, like, the American economy. There's, like, five companies propping it up. They just happen to be Silicon Valley.

[A]

So it's like, Hollywood, stop acting. Hollywood is over. Hollywood is dumb. Decimated, by the way. Yo, I literally decimated. I had this conversation with somebody yesterday.

[B]

They don't make movies there anymore.

[A]

Hollywood doesn't realize Hollywood isn't Hollywood.

[B]

No, they do.

[A]

You think they do.

[B]

The workers do the work.

[A]

Okay, okay. The executives don't.

[B]

Maybe the executives are, like, turning a blind eye to it. But, like, any of these producers. Like, I was talking to the producer of Street Fighter, I was like, yo, why didn't we do this shit in America? They're like, dude, he goes, make a movie in America. He's like, that's like sneakers. You can't do that anymore.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Like, it's just so much. It's a quarter of the price to do it in another country, to fly 100 people out there, put them up for three months instead of just doing it in LA, and it's like, that's all leadership in California. Simple as that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you guys have to. You're hollowing out the industry that we know LA for. I don't know LA for anything else.

[A]

Listen, porn. You know what's about to happen. You know who the new Hollywood is, baby? Jersey.

[B]

No, no, you're not wrong about that.

[A]

Big Jersey. I've been telling y' all that for the past year.

[B]

You're not wrong about that.

[A]

Crazy big Jersey. Lionsgate is in Newark. Netflix is in motherfucking my mouth. Okay, Right. Big Jersey is where it's at. He's right. Okay.

[B]

And shout out Jersey. I would like Jersey to have a redemption arc.

[A]

What you mean Jersey? Popping.

[B]

Nah, I know it's popping, but, like, the. The perception of Jersey, put it this way. Like, Jersey got probably the most beautiful coastline that exists in America. And we look at the Jersey Shore as a kind of, like, trashy place or whatever, but the coastline is, like, stunning.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You got amazing suburbs, son.

[B]

I know we're making the same argument here. Like, we're on the same page. So it's like, I would love it to become a hub for entertainment and also, like, filmmaking and then displace this idea of what we think Jersey is based on Jersey Shore and, like, housewives.

[A]

You know, Hollywood used to be in Jersey.

[B]

I know. Before they went to what's. Yeah, because Edison was charging 50% tax on all the cameras.

[A]

Yeah, bro. Lionsgate is in Newark. Netflix is in fucking my mouth, bro.

[B]

How fire would it be?

[A]

And that's. It's probably going to be another studio coming.

[B]

Talk this shit. How fire would it be if we stole movie making, TV making from the west coast and all that shit? It's like we got the banks in New York, we got the films that are made in Jersey. We got. I mean, we got to get a team that wins something soon. But, like, why the greatest place in.

[A]

The entire world going to happen, by the way. Ho, ho.

[B]

Inshallah.

[A]

It's not even about if it's happening like this shit is happening.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Netflix is being built right now in my mouth. Lionsgate is being built right now in Newark. It's happening.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

Okay. I picked the perfect time to get into the film business.

[B]

There we go. Now you don't even gotta move.

[A]

I gotta move. Right there. Backyard. Jersey, what's up?

[B]

We need to call up Ryder. We need to get some of that Ryder money.

[A]

Come on, man. Saudi, what's up?

[B]

Saudi, what's up? Come to Jersey.

[A]

They started a film investment company for a billion.

[B]

I know, but they're trying to go over to la. You don't need to be in LA for that.

[A]

They don't need Jersey because they got all the Hollywood execs in their ear telling them LA is the place. I might know a guy. Yo, for all our people that listen to us in Saudi, Jersey is the future. Invest in east coast people.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

Invest in east coast people.

[D]

There we go.

[A]

We got great ideas. All right. Studios in our backyard. What's up? We got the audiences. What's up? Fuck with us, okay?

[B]

And the weather is shitty enough. Where we want to stay inside and work in la. Everybody want to do a brunch meeting.

[A]

But you know the beauty of. Let me tell the beauty of the Tri State? New Jersey, New York, Connecticut. We get all the seasons. Yeah, but Connecticut, that's what life doesn't.

[B]

Have to include in that. Nobody's really clocking Connecticut.

[A]

Nah. Connecticut's fire to live. Connecticut's fire.

[B]

Like, if you want to see people who still wear baggy jeans, like, yeah, well, baggy's back.

[A]

It's all a rage. But I'm just talking about Connecticut. They're not doing it on purpose. Connecticut is a dope place to live. I mean, Connecticut is fire. Like, people I know, mad people who got beautiful big houses in Connecticut.

[B]

Connecticut is like 20 years behind.

[A]

What's wrong with that it was a better time, 20 years behind. And then if New York gets its act together, fucking together, and our tax dollars actually go to making this city futuristic, then you just come into the future.

[C]

There's a lot of ticks in Connecticut.

[A]

Say what?

[C]

A lot of ticks in Connecticut.

[A]

Oh, my God, Chris, man, you are. You got third World problems.

[B]

It's a baham bootist.

[A]

It's. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

You're not in Cambodia no more, bro. What the fuck you worried about the insects and the doordash?

[C]

Guys, I look out for our listeners, all right?

[A]

Connecticut is a beautiful place. Beautiful, beautiful, man. I'm telling you. I know some people that, like, live in Connecticut, come into the city to work, go back into Connecticut. Like, that is the greatest. The cost of living is lower.

[B]

I don't like that shit.

[A]

Jersey annual.

[B]

You gonna pay these taxes like the rest of the. No, you don't pay these.

[A]

You too. You ain't gonna be here much longer, bro.

[B]

What are you talking about, bro?

[A]

You're not gonna be here much longer. You got the Hamptons already. Jersey calling your name, bro.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[A]

Jersey calling your name.

[B]

What are you even talking about?

[A]

Jersey's calling your name.

[B]

What are you even talking about?

[A]

Jersey's calling your name. Okay. All right. I get a lot of calls in my neighborhood from a lot of. You know what's so interesting? But a lot of my comedian friends who went over to Ryder, all of a sudden, house shopping.

[B]

Isn'T that interesting. Little down payment on something, huh?

[A]

Okay, thought about that. Now, a lot of my friends who went to Ryder doing some house shopping isn't that interesting in Jersey? In the neighborhood. In my neighborhood or surrounding neighborhood. Hey, don't you live in such and such? Yep. Damn.

[B]

Might have to pay down something.

[A]

Damn. Damn.

[B]

Pay down something.

[A]

Sharla, listen, man, do what you gotta do. What is Michael Blackson, he said, not a writer. What's this talking about? He didn't go to Saudi.

[B]

Oh, no. I think him and his girl broke up.

[A]

Oh, I saw that. Roddy Darling responds after Michael Blackson apologizing for fathering another child. That was the most pathetic post our apology ever. Yeah, they were talking about this. I saw this conversation. But they were saying that they got an open relationship, so.

[B]

I don't like getting into this stuff.

[A]

Me neither. Kids. Like, I thought I was on. They were talking about on Breast Club this morning. And I'm just listening and I'm like.

[B]

Yeah, that's sad, bro.

[A]

Just was like, shut up and I was like, I am.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay. Whatever. Salute to Michael Blackson, man. If you happy, I'm happy. I will say this, though, all of y' all need to watch TWA. TWA is a movie that came out in the year 2000.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And it was about a couple who decided to spice things up by bringing another woman into their relationship.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

Watch that. It's called Twa T R O I s You horny? Huh? I think that. No, I think that, you know, sometimes.

[B]

You'Re a horny guy.

[A]

I think grass is greener on the other side, but grass is greener when you water it. Keep that shit wet. Yeah, okay.

[B]

Unk talk. That was some unk talk right there.

[A]

That shit wet. Grass is greener when you water it, so keep your shit wet.

[B]

That was fire.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Chris, what you think of that, man?

[C]

Fire.

[B]

Chris at the ad libs, bro. I feel like with amigos.

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[B]

Cam not playing around, bro. Listen, start swinging on the first of all.

[A]

What I don't think people understand about Cam Newton is there's only two humans I've seen who look like they're in 3D.

[B]

What?

[A]

Who look like they're in three.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

Probably 40 at that point.

[B]

What you mean 3D? What, everybody's in 3D?

[A]

Nah, bro, some of us look two dimensional. Like if I walk in a room right now and I'm looking at you, it's like you look like two dimensional. Like you ever seen when on Roger Rabbit when Roger Rabbit got ran over by the.

[B]

Doesn't he look like the bad guy from who Framed Roger Rabbit in that picture?

[A]

I think.

[B]

I can't believe you brought that up.

[A]

Cam Newton and Anthony Mason.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Mason look like they're in 3D.

[B]

No, they just. They just look like they're like a different. Like they're like species of. Yeah, human.

[A]

Yeah, I've seen. I've been around plenty big people. Like you got to like walk around them.

[B]

No, I hear you on that.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like. Like God, they're like Prometheus.

[B]

Like they're. They're the race of alien that started the human race. Do you remember Prometheus when he like dissolved in the water?

[A]

I thought it was the Anunnaki. No, that is Prometheus.

[B]

That's in. That's in the book of Enoch, I think. Yeah, the giants.

[A]

That's how Cam don't look like a quarterback.

[B]

No, bro, he's a physically imposing.

[A]

Look up. Pull up Cam measurements, yo.

[B]

All right.

[A]

What? What?

[B]

Let's see how fast, Chris.

[A]

No, his measurements. Cam's measurements. What are Cam Newton's measurements? He's 6 foot 5. I don't believe that.

[B]

Yo, you think he's taller?

[A]

Hell yeah. Have you ever met Cam Newton?

[B]

Nah, man.

[A]

Cam look like he about 6, 9. He's 245. Yeah, that's probably about right, but it's like muscular. So I can imagine how he was when he was out there, like playing and shit like that. How the fuck do you tackle a 6 foot 5, 245 pound quarterback that's agile, athletic, can run you the fuck over.

[B]

I wonder if that's why he dresses so eccentrically. I wonder if it makes him in a weird way more approachable. Like wearing like the silly hats and the silly outfits. Like I wonder if makes him less like intimidating.

[A]

I'm gonna be honest. I don't never think can be looking silly, bro. I think we had this conversation before, but I don't think can be looking silly. Like, man, I just. I couldn't pull it off. Alex, you better not even open your mouth to talk about somebody with silly fits, bro.

[B]

Well, Al, you said you did that with Glasses. You found that, like, people were less scared of you when you wore glasses.

[D]

Yeah, I did that back in the day.

[B]

Yeah, but that's an interesting thing that you have to grow up with psychologically.

[D]

Yeah, but he dresses, like eccentric.

[A]

Alex. How do you think you dress?

[D]

I get fly. That's different.

[A]

You look eccentric to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't think Alex look eccentric?

[D]

If you don't think I do. If you think I do, then how do you not think he does?

[A]

I mean, if that's the word you're using. I just think Cam pulls off what he does. The shit. Look, I mean, I couldn't do it, but he gets fly to me. I don't think you look whack. Okay, yeah, you just look. Listen, I don't think I gotta check you everywhere. No, no, no, no, no. I don't think you look whack. I just, you know, it's gay, but it's not whack. But it's not. But I know you're not gay. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I would call it, like, flame buoyant.

[B]

How does he do this so f.

[A]

No, no, that's what I would call it. Flame buoyant.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

That's what I would call it. I would call what you do flame buoyant.

[B]

But it's flame buoyant, Al. That's my shit.

[D]

That's fine.

[A]

I like that. You can't tell me that you haven't seen a couple of fits from Cam and be like, that shit fly out. Yeah, when I see him, I see you.

[B]

Okay, that's a compliment.

[A]

That is. I mean, that serious. I mean, that's seriously. Like, I take that they get fly. Like, some people really put a lot into their fits. And Cam puts a lot into his fits. Like, that should be looking clean to me.

[B]

But Cam is a different size than.

[A]

Al, you know, and everything is custom. That's the other thing I give Cam a lot of credit for.

[B]

For wearing custom.

[A]

All that shit is custom, bro.

[B]

You give him a lot of credit for that.

[A]

Yes, because that means that he's sitting down with people. He's designing this properly. Yeah, Like, I don't know, man. We got here by talking about how huge cam is, though. 6 foot 5, 2, 45. I don't even know why that mascot thought he could play with Cam.

[B]

Like, that was insanity. That was insane.

[A]

I really don't understand. Then he. Then it look like he tried to snatch his hat off something crazy. Play that Mace clip. Chris, what's the Mace clip?

[B]

What's Mace up to?

[A]

Mace had a good topic of discussion. Mace reveals craziest thing he's ever asked of a girlfriend was for her to buy the ring to prove she was serious about marriage. When I was first going to get. I thought about getting married, I asked.

[B]

Her to buy the ring if she.

[A]

Was serious, I thought that would. You asked her to buy the ring?

[C]

I'm different.

[B]

First of all.

[A]

Can you just love it?

[B]

This is fire, man.

[D]

They did a live show, I guess.

[C]

I think.

[A]

So. What you think about that, man?

[B]

I think Mace is just. I think podcasting is one of the greatest things that has happened for people who are unique characters, because I think Mace as a rapper is so much less dynamic than Mace as a podcaster, because this guy, like, oozes personality. And yes, he was a phenomenal rapper. We love the songs, but I don't think you got, like, this side of Mace. Like, you didn't get to see this, like, cool, calm collective, but also, like, hilarious dude.

[A]

So I agree with you. But I think Cam brings that a lot of that out too.

[B]

Yo.

[A]

And respect did a perfect dynamic.

[B]

Respect to the chemistry between them. And also, the girl that hosts it is great treasure. Yeah, she's phenomenal. But. But, yeah, like, just getting to get to know Mace as, like, a person. Like, some people get exposed by podcasts, you find out they're just not that interesting.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But some people, you get to find out that they're more interesting than you thought they were.

[A]

You know what? You bring up a good point. And I'm gonna tell you another reason why Cam and Mace podcast works. Because they have a base. And what I mean by a base is their base is sports. You know how when you walk in, like, a Chipotle or a salad restaurant, the first thing they ask you is, what's your base? So you gotta have your lettuce or your kale or chipotle. Got to be your rice, whatever it is. Like, you got to have a base. As long as you got your base. You could put whatever topping on the base.

[B]

Also, Harlem, you know, like, they debate, but go on, go on.

[A]

Harlem is an interesting place, too, because people from Harlem act like, they talk like Harlem is Harvard. Like, it's a place you go and graduate from. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if Harlem has as much to do with it, bro.

[B]

I mean, that like it. It's at least with camp specifically. And again, I don't know that much. I'm just like, Casual on the outside. It seemed to him that being like the mayor of Harlem is enough for him where there are some people, like, I just need to be famous all around the world. It's always seemed to me that it's like, up now. What's that?

[A]

I asked him that specifically on Breakfast Club. I literally asked him last time he was there. It was about a month ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I said, people talk about Harlem like it's Harvard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What does Harlem mean to you now as opposed to when you were, like, 19, 20 years old?

[B]

What do you say?

[A]

I don't want to mess up his wording, because I know when people talk about their towns and their cities is different, but it just basically was, like, it definitely meant more to him when he was younger.

[B]

Oh, interesting. Okay.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

That's fair.

[A]

Yo, Harlem. People talk about Harlem like it's Harvard. What does Harlem mean to you today compared to when you were, like. Like, 18?

[E]

It ain't the same for me. You know what I'm saying? Not. Not at all. That's a great question. Because it's so gentrified. It's just not the same. And I may sound ignorant for saying it, but I miss the abandoned buildings. I miss the vacant lots and going up, driving, you know, walking to school and almost stepping on glass. Not saying, that's good, and you shouldn't improve from that. But that's just my memory of Harlem. Like, when I see red lobster on 125th street, like an H and M, I'll be like, this is crazy. You know what I'm saying? But it's gentrified. And, you know, to me, everything. But you gotta think about this, too, right? Where I live is gentrified, Nick. Like, what this doing over here? You know what I'm saying? So you might got somebody white. Like, yo, what the. Remember when it was all white over here? You know what I'm saying? So it's a balance. But just for me, Harlem, isn't it what it used to be? I'm not saying Harlem still ain't Harlem today, but just not the Harlem I grew up with.

[A]

Now, there are some people who I think, like, you know, they Harlem alumni. Like, and I'm not. Cam is definitely Harlem alumni, but there's some people who just, you know, rep it harder than others. And it ain't even just Harlem. It's like the world we're in. Like, if you come from a certain town and all you know is that city, all you care about is being the man in that town.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you usually feel like that until you actually go see the world.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not saying that the rest of the world is interesting, but the same way that, like, Wallow and Gilly are Philadelphia first, I always felt that way about Cam. It's like, Harlem first doesn't mean that you can't tap into people around the world. Doesn't mean that you can't tour and do everything. But, like, knowing that your identity is wrapped around this place, that's really important to you, I think, even makes you more interesting. Right. Because people are like, oh, I get a. I get a taste of what Harlem is like through this dude. And I get to see how Harlem reacts to the world, that person. Same way with Wallow and Gilly, where there are some people, I think that, like, it's like, they are for the world. Some people, that works better. But what I've noticed is, like, there's always longevity in having that. That core identity in those.

[A]

Identity. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's. Yeah, that's the word I would use. Identity. Like, when you think Gillian Wallow, you think Philly.

[B]

When I think Cam and Mace, I.

[A]

Think Harlem, like, but to that point, like, it is what it is. Their base is sports.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. Million dollars worth of game. Their base is giving out game to a younger generation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you gotta have a base. Just like Drake champs. Their bases.

[B]

Hip hop stories getting older.

[A]

Hip hop artists on there to drink and tell those stories. As long as you got your base, you can build whatever on top.

[B]

And then you could talk about culture. Like, a lot of the stuff I'm watching when I'm watching. Not only Wallow and Gilly, when I'm watching, like, Cam Mason, it's just. They're reflecting on culture.

[A]

Protein.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You want beans? You want chicken? You want beans? You can put it on top of that base, on top of that lettuce that killed brilliant idiots. Our base is idiots.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We're really idiots.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Who aren't mature enough to have a lot of conversation.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Okay, so as long as we got that base, then we're good. We can put whatever on top. Y' all the ones that started taking us serious.

[B]

Why would they do that? Why would they do that?

[A]

Now, I'm not saying that you can't get something out of this shit.

[B]

No, a broken clock is right. Two times a day.

[A]

That's right. You know what I mean? Maybe more in the digital world.

[B]

See why you shouldn't take that serious.

[A]

That was fire, though. That's one of these shit people repeat for no reason.

[B]

Nah, the other one.

[A]

Stalkers, right. Twice a day. But not in the digital world. Fire. It's all about the reaction. Then people sit around feeling stupid. Like, what did he mean by that?

[B]

Don't matter. Don't matter.

[A]

Yo, that shit was fire.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

That shit was fire.

[B]

Thank him far too much.

[A]

But listen, Mace reveals craziest thing he's ever done with a girl was asking for the ring. Would you ever ask a girl to buy you a wedding ring?

[B]

No.

[A]

No.

[B]

Buy herself the wedding ring. I think that's what he asked.

[A]

But what if the girl bought the wedding ring and then got on her knees to propose to you?

[B]

That's just crazy.

[A]

You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't accept it.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I would accept it, but it's just crazy.

[A]

Equality, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? We have all these conversations about gender roles. Why can't a woman buy a ring and get on her knee and propose to me?

[B]

But some of the best times of your life will be like when your girl knows you're about to propose, but you don't do it yet. And she's just on good behavior for about six weeks. Don't lose out on that opportunity in relationship.

[A]

Nah, mine was the opposite.

[B]

Well, yeah, we know.

[A]

Yeah. She didn't know I was gonna propose.

[B]

Oh. Why would she not age? After 17 years, they wouldn't propose. What would give her that idea?

[A]

Together for 27 and we've been married for 12.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's a pretty good ratio, bro.

[B]

15 years. 15 years.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, what the. You supposed to get married in high school.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You let people live their life. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But I think the better reaction is when the woman doesn't know she's gonna get proposed to and you surprise her.

[B]

Yeah, I agree.

[A]

Yeah. Like, if he. If she knows it, kind of like, eh.

[B]

Well, no, I think she should know it's coming, and then you just kind of milk that stage for a little bit.

[A]

You should know she wants to marry you because the last thing you want to do is propose. And she says no in front of everybody. That's kind of why I like women doing it to men, because women need to get told no a couple of times publicly. No. You don't think so? See, everybody wants to just jump to equality without letting the embarrassment that a lot of men have felt go to that other side. Like, you don't think we need to see just a few more years of women getting down on a knee, proposing and getting embarrassed publicly.

[B]

Yeah, that is heartbreaking. I watched that. Love is blind, man, that show is brutal. Did you propose?

[C]

Never proposed. We just had a conversation.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

What was the conversation? Let's do this. It's the same thing, Chris.

[C]

I didn't get down on my knee.

[D]

Did you ever ring?

[A]

We didn't have to.

[C]

Nope.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[C]

And that actually got mad at me about the whole thing.

[A]

Really?

[B]

What do you say?

[C]

We were going to Taiwan to see my in laws and he was like, you have to ask her father for permission. No, I don't. That's some old fashioned God damn.

[A]

Chris.

[B]

I agreed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I agree with him on that.

[A]

You asked? You.

[B]

I didn't. What? Yeah, Pieces.

[A]

I did it.

[C]

I did it.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

My dad.

[B]

How did you ask him?

[C]

He said, this is very important to me. You need to do it for me. I don't care if it's important.

[B]

So how'd you ask her dad? Because he doesn't speak English.

[C]

He speaks English?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

Professor at Berkeley and University of Massachusetts for many years.

[B]

I'm sorry, I apologize.

[C]

No worries. So, yeah, I spoke to him. I said, you know, we're planning to get married. I hope that's all right with you. You know, I'd like to make sure that he said, that's fine. It's great. You know, we're very happy about it.

[B]

Were you nervous when you asked him?

[C]

Not really. Just do it. Whatever is. Whatever's coming.

[B]

There's no joke. I'm. I'm literally just trying to understand the emotion of the moment.

[C]

No, I wasn't, because I. We had already discussed it and like that was the conversation, you know, and I was pretty confident they were going to be all right with it.

[A]

What about you, Alex?

[C]

Yeah. What was your proposal like?

[D]

It's funny. I didn't ask for permission.

[B]

No, he just played that.

[A]

Damn. Where to die is crazy.

[D]

I saw her father like after the fact and he's like, no, I'm glad you didn't ask me because she's not my permission to give away.

[C]

Right.

[D]

So he respected the fact that I didn't ask him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think you should do it out of respect, like, you know, like, first of all, yes, I agree with what your not father in law says. Is your father in lawyer yet?

[D]

I mean, technically. No, not yet.

[B]

Not technically.

[A]

So I agree with what he said, but he knows whether or not his daughter wants to be with said individual, especially if y' all done been Together for a while.

[D]

She knows best. She can make her own decision.

[B]

It just depends, like, if you think women are, like, equal. Like, if you think women are property, then obviously you have to ask the property owner before you can make a purchase.

[A]

I thought you asked the dad to make sure the dad is cool with it. Meaning, like, I don't fuck with you like that I don't want you to be married to my daughter.

[B]

The way I look at it is, like, if the dad is paying for the wedding, I'll ask.

[A]

Yeah, I don't like that. Now, that's a tradition that needs to fucking.

[B]

But if I'm go away. If I'm paying. I know you got four daughters. Oh, that's a lot. We need movies and New Jersey.

[A]

That is a tradition that needs to go away. By the way. I don't know anybody that does that. My wife's father contributed to the wedding.

[B]

Yeah, they do contribute, and that's awesome.

[A]

It was a nice contribution.

[B]

Very nice. And we're grateful.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I remember your wedding. I loved your wedding.

[A]

Oh, that was so fun, man.

[B]

That was a good time, man. That was a beautiful little church or it was like a town hall or something.

[A]

Charleston. Yay.

[B]

Was it a church or was it like the town. The city hall?

[A]

I don't fucking remember.

[B]

It was like, right in downtown Charleston. I think it must have been a church.

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

Remember when you did the whole ceremony?

[D]

You don't remember your wedding?

[C]

Jesus.

[A]

No, I remember, but I don't remember the details of that shit. I didn't plan it. I just knew it'd be.

[B]

Yo, divorce him, yo. Yeah, divorce him. Just go back.

[A]

You remember the name of the location you got married at?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was it called?

[B]

My in law's house. Yeah.

[A]

Get the out of here.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I did not know that. Yeah, that was fun, too. Weddings are great. Yeah, weddings are great, man. Weddings are awesome, bro. Get married, yo.

[B]

Get married.

[A]

Promise you, man. Don't I. I don't. I cry at everybody's wedding.

[B]

It's the best. Weddings are great, but not when they're like a thousand people and you barely know anybody. When it's like the people that really know and care and love. Oh, it's the best feeling.

[A]

50 people max. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I think you could go over 100, but I think when you get in the 300, 400.

[A]

No, nobody even likes you like that. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

That's the thing. It's like, it becomes like a community Gathering instead of an actual celebration of love.

[A]

And you want people there that's gonna respect your marriage and respect the moment. They're not gonna be on their phones. I made everybody put the phones away.

[B]

No, you didn't.

[A]

Yes, I did.

[B]

Oh, you didn't. I was there. I took pictures the whole time.

[A]

You didn't make anybody.

[B]

You are thinking about a different wedding.

[A]

People's phones.

[B]

You didn't take nobody's ph. That technology didn't exist.

[A]

No, we took people's phones.

[B]

Yo, this guy's gonna lie. You gonna lie?

[A]

Maybe we told everybody, don't take pictures. I don't know. I just know there was no phones and, like, that there was phones.

[B]

I have pictures.

[A]

I don't believe you. You gotta show me the.

[B]

I'll show you all the pictures. This is just insane.

[D]

Wedding with you.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I'm looking up pictures right now.

[A]

It was a great time, though. I know that.

[B]

I'm looking up pictures.

[A]

We had a great time. I got up the night before. I think y' all got in town that Saturday. We had the wedding. We had a great reception. Like, that shit was fun, man. God damn. We old, bro.

[B]

Yeah, we're old.

[A]

Like, we are old. Like the. You're not old. Huh?

[D]

You're not old.

[A]

I don't know. That shit seems so long ago. Andrew wedding was what, 20, 22? Mine was 2014.

[B]

Was my wedding in 22? Yeah, it was like, Pete Covid was still around.

[A]

No, he was outside. We flew to California.

[B]

No, it was Covid, bro.

[A]

Really?

[D]

Yeah, it was like. Because I remember it's kind of over, but still, Rogan.

[B]

I told Rogan, I was like, bro, I need a COVID test for you to come, you know? And then he. You know, he's like. And he's like, fine. And he sends me a picture with the middle finger and a negative.

[A]

Hilarious. Let's pay some bills.

[B]

Everybody still got Covid at my wedding, by the way. It was a super spreader event.

[A]

I definitely got it.

[B]

Everybody.

[A]

We were supposed to go to Cabo.

[B]

Yeah, we were supposed to go to Brazil. I think my wife planned that shit. So I didn't. Look at these bitches in Brazil.

[A]

You went?

[B]

No, because we got Covid.

[A]

Oh, so y', all.

[B]

We went to Miami instead.

[A]

Same difference. Same difference. Let's do some church announcements. Hezzy, what you got.

[D]

Man?

[B]

I thought I had something.

[A]

What you got, man?

[B]

I fucking forgot what I had.

[A]

Come on, man.

[B]

Turn your phone. No, I forgot what I had. I'll remember it.

[A]

You go I got two chains. The voice in my head is God.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Available March 3, 2026. Man my book in print, Black Privilege Publishing with Simon and Schuster. If you are a 2 Chainz fan, you are going to love this book. He talks about, you know, his spiritual journey, the spiritual journey behind his success. Man. So two chains. The voice in my head is God. Go pre order that right now and go pre order Arsenio Hall's book Arsenio, which will be out next year via Black Privilege Publishing, Simon and Schuster. Man Pastor Jamal Bryant encourages his congregation to donate to forego donating to the church to donate to people losing their SNAP benefits.

[B]

That's beautiful.

[A]

Beautiful. During his recent service, New Birth Missionary Baptist Church pastor Jamal Bryant encouraged his congregation to give back in a different way. According to 11 Alive, this past Sunday was supposed to be a day for the church to raise $1 million. However, Pastor Bryant is halting the initiative until the government shutdown has ended. To he said to the news outlet, the congregation is supposed to be sensitive to the needs of the community, knowing that people are literally just trying to keep their heads above water. We're opening up our arms and opening up our hearts at the same time. The church already distributes groceries every other Saturday to about 1500 people. However, this coming weekend, they're planning to help up to 2,000 people. More than 40 million people receive SNAP benefits, which is around 22 million households that benefit. According to the Hill, there is an estimated $8 billion of benefits distributed. It has already been confirmed that the USDA will not provide assistance if SNAP benefits are cut due to a government shutdown. I'm gonna tell y' all something, man. And I said this already before. This government shutdown is not a political win for any party.

[B]

Can you explain what's happening? Also, shout out Christianity the goat.

[A]

Well, salute to Jamal Bryant. There's a lot of Christians out there. I don't know if they moving like this.

[B]

I think, no, no, shout out to him. But also he's inspired by the greatness of Jesus Christ and he wants to, you know, bless the world like he has been blessed and do it in his image. So we have to give some credit to.

[A]

Listen, the king. I love it.

[B]

King of Kings.

[A]

Listen. I love it. You know, I am an ambassador for the food bank in Harlem, New York City. If you see the amount of people who need this type of food assistance, you will understand why SNAP and wic, you know, not being available to people over the. If, if, if it happens, hopefully these people, motherfuckers come to their senses in government and reopen shit. But if over the next couple of weeks, you know, there is no snap and no wick, y' all better motherfucking protect your goddamn necks.

[B]

Really.

[A]

Because if you think that during the holiday season, it's already the holiday season. Thanksgiving is right around the motherfucking corner. Then you got Christmas and everything else. You got people who haven't had checks in three weeks, right? And now you're taking away people's snap and wicks, so now people can't even keep they no food in their stomachs. Y' all better go back and watch Tupac 20 plus years ago when he was on MTV talking about what happens when motherfuckers really get hungry and they gotta watch everybody else around them eat while they starving. If I know that in this hotel room, they have food every day, and I'm knocked on the door every day to eat, and they tell. And they open the door, let me see the party. Let me see, like, them throwing salami all over the. I mean, just like throwing food around where they're telling me there's no food in here. You know what I'm saying? Every day I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in. You know what I'm saying? We are hungry, please let us in. We are hungry, please let us in. After about a week, that song was gonna change the. We hungry, we need some food. After two, three weeks, it's like, you know, give me all the food and we racking out the door after a year, and then you just, like. You know what I'm saying? I'm picking the lock coming through the door blasting.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Can you tell me what's happening with the government shutdown? Like, do you understand it? Do you understand?

[A]

I do to a certain extent. Extent. Democrats are trying to make a stand for healthcare, right? Like, they didn't want Republicans to hike the prices of healthcare. So they decided to say, hey, this little bit of leverage that we got, we're gonna, you know, not vote to reopen the government until they decide to not have higher healthcare prices. Right, Chris? Am I saying that right?

[B]

Yeah, because they wanted to get rid of the healthcare rebates or something like that. So essentially, the government was stepping in to pay off the increased prices of Obamacare, if I'm not mistaken.

[A]

The Affordable Care Act. Yeah. You think that's what it was?

[D]

And so your premium is going to be a lot higher.

[B]

Why are we calling it the Affordable Care Act? Like, give some credit where credit is Due. Let's call it what it is. It's Obamacare. Right.

[D]

He didn't reenact that. It was called the Affordable Care Act.

[A]

It's just like, here's the thing.

[B]

It's just like, let him have his legacy.

[A]

No, I'm gonna tell you why branding matters. Right. Remember during COVID people forget who was the person that, you know, pressed the gas on making getting the COVID vaccine out of.

[B]

Yeah. Trump.

[A]

And you remember when Democrats were saying, don't take it as being rushed?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then when they got in office, they was like, no, take it. It's fine. Y' all don't remember that. You don't remember that whole thing. So it's all about branding. You know what I mean? So if people will easily be like, no, get rid of Obamacare, that shit is trash. Remember Jimmy Kimmel did that whole sketch where he did a sketch where he went out in the street and was like, how do you feel about Obamacare? And people was like, I don't like it. How you feel about the Affordable Care Act? Oh, I love it.

[B]

Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act?

[C]

The Affordable Care Act.

[B]

And why do you support that over Obamacare?

[C]

I do not like Obamacare.

[B]

I don't like anything that has to be forced for everybody to buy. This is not good. Do you think Obamacare is socialist?

[A]

Yes, I do. Do you think the Affordable Care act is socialist? No.

[B]

Do you believe that Obamacare will eventually lead to gun prohibition?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Do you know that Obamacare and the.

[A]

Affordable Care act are the same thing? No, they're not.

[C]

Thanks.

[B]

You made me look stupid. Oh, I got it. I got it. It is more. There's more bipartisan support when you remove Obama's name.

[A]

Exactly. Now. Damn, I lost my train.

[B]

Sorry. Sorry. So what is. So we're talking. You were explaining to me what exactly.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now I have my idea. But that's why I'm not a fucking politician. I don't think the government is ever worth shutting down. If I'm Democrats, I don't take that risk of not voting because I want to keep the government open.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I know this is going to sound crazy. I would rather the Republicans hike the health care prices up. So now, as a Democrat, I can say Republicans did that. Like, it's a clear. This is the reason your health care prices are hiked up because of Republicans now because it's been three weeks, the waters are so fucking muddied. Like, so Republicans have did a good job of blaming it on Democrats. You go to all of the government websites. It pops up as the Democrats shut down. Kristi Noem did the shit in the airport saying, it's the Democrats fault. It's the Democrats shut down. They did a good job of making people believe it's the Democrats. Well, it is. And it is to a Democrat, it's both. But it is to a certain extent because Democrats are also taking credit saying, yes, we're doing this because we're taking a stand for your health care prices. Health care prices weren't an immediate. Immediate.

[B]

Food is food.

[A]

Not getting your check is immediate. So now nobody gives a fuck whose fault it is. I need goddamn government so I can get my.

[C]

I need health care as an immediate problem. If you're sick.

[B]

Yeah, 100%. But like, more people are hungry than sick.

[D]

But this shutdown is temporary. And a lot of people can maybe stomach the temporary, can they?

[A]

You say, you rich motherfucker. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You rich. Let me, Let me.

[C]

Talking about doubling people's premiums. Exactly 30,000 to like, you know how many people are going to die?

[A]

I think it's in the country is living check to check.

[B]

It's.

[A]

They can't afford to miss a check.

[D]

What's worse, to starve or to die?

[A]

Like, you might die because you miss a check. What if. Okay, let me. What if I. What if I'm paying my health care benefits right now you have no money to pay my health care benefits, but.

[B]

Now you have health care anyway.

[D]

But that's the thing. Like, you hold out for Republicans to have to come to the table and, yo, we have to negotiate.

[A]

30 days is a long time. So what is it? Yo, listen, we act like. We act like people can hold out. The country couldn't hold out during COVID So question.

[D]

When everybody.

[A]

When the country was shut down and everybody had to stay home, the country couldn't hold out for 30 days without a bill.

[B]

Question, question.

[A]

How was a regular person.

[B]

Let me just ask a question. So let's say, for example, Democrats didn't vote to shut it down. Right? They voted to pay the people. Sorry. After the government reopened, people are getting their benefits. They're getting whatever they need. What if they started using whatever leverage they have going into the midterms or on whatever other bill is proposed to add those subsidies back to the Affordable Care Act? So those people were taking care of.

[D]

Like they haven't leverage at that point.

[B]

No, but they. It's like there will have leverage in the future. There will be other things that people.

[A]

Want to get past everybody's Health care premiums got hiked up by Republicans. 2026 is right around the corner.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Democrats could be like, this is why your fucking health care prices.

[B]

They're going to be furious.

[A]

If you want them to come down, put us back in the motherfucking office the way we need to be.

[D]

Yes, I, I, that's a good strategy. But, but also in doing that, people will die because people won't be able to afford.

[A]

People going to die with this too.

[D]

But starving and not having health care.

[B]

So you're missing the point.

[A]

They're not getting money.

[B]

No, no, let's, I mean I have.

[A]

Money to pay my health insurance.

[B]

Back up, back up. Nobody will die. Right. Because it's illegal to refuse care to somebody in the United States of America. Like a hospital has to take you in. So it's not about death, but like health care is incredibly important and there are things that will happen to you without having care constantly that could lead to your death.

[D]

Yeah, but, but early prevention is very important. 100 if you hold going to Dr. You might miss something that could have been caught.

[B]

And I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is if you asked people, and we know this for a fact because there's evidence to prove it, would they rather have food or health care? They would choose food first.

[A]

Yes. Man.

[C]

Why do we have to make that choice in this?

[A]

No, no, no, I'm with you, Chris.

[B]

But you, but don't derail. Chris, don't derail.

[C]

Chris.

[A]

I'm with you, Chris.

[B]

Don't derail.

[A]

My point is, but a choice, a choice was made. Democrats made the choice.

[B]

Democrats are making the choice that your health care is more important than your food. I think most human beings would say food is more important than healthcare because.

[A]

Don'T just say food.

[B]

Your bills, yeah, your bills.

[A]

People haven't been.

[B]

The way to provide for yourself is more important than, than your health care. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't fight diligently to find some remedy for these soaring prices. And also it would be advantageous for Republicans to find a remedy for these soaring prices because they're going to look horrible come the midterms. If all these voters that are Republican that are also on the Affordable Care act see these premiums skyright, skyrocket, 30%, 50%, whatever, and they're going to start going, hold on, hold on. You're not going to do anything about this. And these Democrats say they are. I'm going to vote that way. Simple and again, I don't know enough. I'm a casual out here, but.

[A]

Me, too. But to me, that seemed like better strategy.

[B]

Don't take food off people's.

[A]

Don't take food off people's table. Because right now, there's no political win for nobody. People are sitting around like, I don't give a fuck who's responsible for this government shutdown. Just reopen the motherfucking government so I can get my motherfucking check. You going to Taiwan for the holidays?

[C]

Probably.

[A]

No, You? Probably not, because the TSA agents ain't gonna be motherfucking working at the airport.

[C]

Well, I'm worried about my daughter. Supposed to fly outta LAX this weekend.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

And they grounded LAX the other morning.

[A]

Exactly. So we're talking about immediate things. People can't see past their bills, bro. And if I don't have no money to pay my motherfucking bills, which means healthcare bill, rent, mortgage, cybertruck, fucking monthly bills, all of that shit. No, they not. I'm telling you, people do not care about anything except give me money.

[B]

And they will not. They will blame it on. Sorry to interrupt, but, like, they will blame it on the people that are keeping the government shut down, which in this circumstance, even if it is for benevolent causes, is. Democrats are the Democrats.

[D]

Eventually, they will blame them because they're there to negotiate. Republicans aren't even coming into work so they don't have to negotiate, so Democrats are actually there.

[B]

I'm not saying the Republicans are the good guys.

[A]

That's true. And also, too, I could be wrong about this. You could look this up, Chris, Being that the Republicans control all the branches of government, there's some type of emergency funding they could enact if they wanted to. Am I. Am I making this up? Because I saw Marjorie Taylor Greene, the voice of reason, okay, complaining about this. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Okay, all right. Voice of reason said something like that. I just think it's all fucked up, man. Then when you got to watch fucking Donald Trump give $40 billion to fucking Argentina, bro.

[B]

Can you explain what that's about?

[C]

It's really important, actually. No, I mean, we need to address this. Very important.

[B]

Tell me what that's about.

[C]

They have a really beautiful movement going on down there called magu. They're embracing libertarianism. They're changing everything. It's going to be a model for the rest people.

[A]

No, critics. They don't know you're playing.

[C]

No, I'm not playing. This is important that we give them $20 billion. It's really critical. 40 billion. Oh, even better. It's very important at this moment that $40 billion goes to Argentina to help promote their new economic policies. It's critical. More important than health care, more important than wic, snap all that shit.

[A]

Farmers here in America.

[C]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Fuck them. And soybeans. Nobody likes soybeans.

[A]

Seriously, though, I want it.

[B]

I want to.

[A]

What happened to maga, bro?

[B]

Well, I want to ask. I want people to keep that same energy when America's given tens of billion dollars to fight foreign wars in other countries.

[C]

Taiwan is okay.

[B]

No, no, no.

[C]

Everybody else is unnecessary. That's Taiwan.

[B]

I'm just saying, like, I hear a lot of people upset about America giving $40 billion bailout to Argentina and going, what about Americans at home? Well, a lot of people were very frustrated. America giving, you know, tons of money, billions of dollars to people overseas to fight wars that we know nothing about.

[A]

That's a fact.

[B]

When there are people struggling at home. So I just want. I don't want to do whataboutism, but I want people to keep that same energy.

[A]

No, we're doing. What about ism? Because I think we have been consistent in saying that's not what we take care of home. Yo, we've always. That's why I've always said America first messaging works. But when you're the architect of the MAGA. America first messaging. That looks crazy given $40 billion.

[C]

When they did Doge, they very slowly and systematically went through all. No, I'm serious. They went through all the expenses of this country. And it was important to fire, you know, tens of thousands of federal employees. That was very critical. But that allowed us to give 20, no, $40 billion.

[B]

Now, he did just win reelection, but.

[A]

Why didn't we get that money?

[C]

Yes. Well, I don't know if he won. I think he won, like a vote of confidence. Let's call him. I don't know if it was an actual.

[B]

I think that he won it because he.

[A]

But, you know, this money went to his election campaign.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

No, this is. This is true.

[B]

I'm not denying it.

[A]

This money went to. Look it up. It went to his election campaign. The guy in Argentina.

[B]

My feeling is like, I really don't care about what other countries are doing.

[A]

No, no, no, I do. That's all I. Taxpayer dollars.

[B]

No, no, no. Meaning. Meaning what? I don't care about what they're using our money for. I don't want them getting the money if Americans need it.

[A]

Word. Simple as that.

[C]

Don't need that. Come on.

[B]

Now. Now if it is beneficial for America and Americans, then I'm okay with that. But it has to benefit us in some way.

[C]

How do you ideal. I can't pronounce ideologue. He's a. He represents what Trump likes. That's the benefit. There's no actual economic benefit, so there's.

[B]

Essentially a He is. We have an ally in Argentina. Is that the idea?

[C]

Beautiful head of hair also.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, that's a real. God damn. I know. That was a real picture. I thought that was one of them pictures that you'd be scrolling on a website and it just pops up. That's really him.

[B]

Yeah. Milei.

[D]

And a large portion of the money is contingent on him winning.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's like if he doesn't.

[A]

It went to his campaign.

[C]

40 billion.

[A]

Yeah, $40 billion of US taxpayer dollars going to Argentina.

[B]

This is the problem with, with all of these policies. It's just like, tell us how this is beneficial to America. If you tell me that giving Argentina $40 billion gets America $80 billion, I would go, that's a great investment. Because now Americans are going to get more food on their plate. They're going to have more opportunities. Again, if it's. If it's not the case, which it looks like it's not, then I'm critical of it.

[C]

It.

[B]

But if we're investing in any country around the world and it benefits America, explain that to us.

[A]

Click that one right there. Send it a send. Sanders rips Trump for finding 40 billion to bail out Argentina while cutting off food aid in America.

[B]

I don't like it.

[A]

Think about that. I made a donation this week to four different food banks. Right. I'm already, like I said, I'm a ambassador to the food bank in Harlem. But I did a donation to a food bank in Columbia. Another two of them in Columbia, actually, and another one in Charleston. I'm gonna do one in Jersey as well. Why am I doing that?

[B]

Because you care.

[A]

$40 billion. Like there's no way in the world I can be the President of the United States of America. No. 42 million people are about to lose their motherfucking food aid benefits, and I give $40 billion to another country. And then when they catch me on my fucking plane and ask me about it in regards to them and the farmers, I start talking about how this other country is dying, how the farmers in this other country is dying. What about the fucking Americans?

[C]

What do you have to say to.

[A]

US Farmers who feel that the deal.

[C]

Is benefiting Argentina more than it is.

[A]

Them as they are. Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it. They're fighting for their life. Nothing is benefiting Argentina. They're fighting for their life.

[B]

You understand what that means?

[A]

They have no money. They have no anything. They're fighting so hard to survive. If I can help them survive in a free world. I happen to like the president of Argentina.

[B]

I think he's trying to do the best he can.

[A]

But don't make it sound like they're doing great. They are dying.

[B]

Well, there's American farmers that are also struggling and they're like, what about American beef? Because I think he said, we're going to buy their beef or they're going to give us their beef. And it's like, well, we got beef in America that we. Now they have phenomenal beef in Argentina. I just want to let you know. Sensational. But. But to me, it doesn't matter. It's like, what do Americans need? And their needs needs to be met first. And that's going to be frustrating for people on the right and the left. By the way, both sides agree on this issue. That's where it comes together all the time.

[A]

Shows there's two things why Madonna is one. There's two things in this country people care about. Safety, affordability, more money in their motherfucking pocket.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's really just that God damn simple. So when you start talking about we can't eat, we can't pay our health care, we can't pay our motherfucking bills, some of these people. How long has this shutdown been? Three weeks.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Yo, that's. And it started like around the first. You think the landlord gives a fuck that the government is shut down? You think that fucking your car note gives a fuck that the fucking government is shut down? You think the electric company gives a fuck? No, they want they fucking money and majority of Americans are living check to check. What are we talking about?

[B]

No, it's. You right, man?

[A]

What are we talking about?

[B]

I mean, yeah, I wish there was something silly about it, but it's not. No, Americans gotta eat first. That's it. Simple. That should be the American policy. Foreign and within the country. America eats first.

[A]

Eat the rich is in America, bro. Right now.

[B]

What does that mean, eat the rich?

[A]

You're gonna have a lot of people who are gonna look at folks who are making a whole lot of money.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And they're gonna be like, oh, that's where all the motherfucking money is going.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're gonna See, sadly, more violence against people in those positions of power.

[B]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[A]

Unfortunately.

[B]

But not only it's not even unfortunate or unfortunate, it's like there's also gonna be a lot of violence around, not rich people, because that's just where violence is most easiest to commit. So those are the people that are gonna end up suffering double.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Because if I don't have anything and you got a little something, I need that. I need that little something, bro. I hate to say it any other way, but that's just the way the motherfucking world is.

[B]

All right, so let's open up the government Democrats, figure out how we can get those subsidies back for the people that need over the next six months or the next year or two or whatever it is. Like, why not Democrats folding in about a week? What do you mean they go forward.

[D]

You say that, but they just passed the big beautiful bill, which is where all these cuts are in. So how do you just undo something that's passed over?

[B]

It's. We do that all the time. We pass new bills, we pass other bills.

[D]

Or to do that, you need help from.

[B]

Well, I think. Well, I think what you need to do is be politically savvy here and then showcase to Republicans why it's politically advantageous for them to help out with these subsidies and show them that if they pass a bill, it's going to push all these people off their health care. It's going to be devastating to them in the midterms. So instead of trying to win the midterms, try to win the American people. Who gives a fuck? I know politicians wouldn't answer this, but who gives a fuck who wins the midterms? The winners should be American people that need health care and also American people who need a paycheck. But if what you're doing is leveraging the suffering of Americans so that you win an election, I don't know if you're helping the American people or you're just helping your party stay in power or gain more power. And to me, and I think to the average American, they would probably look at that as disgusting. Just as they would look at the big beautiful bill knocking these people off their health care as discussing. Both of them are not caring about the American people.

[A]

That's right. In that moment, my homeboy, who's a political strategist, he texted us this morning, this was last night, he sent me the political article about how Democrats face moment of truth as shut down coalition phrase. And he put Dems gonna fold in about a week or so he said, once them cards don't run, talking about the VBT cards and everything else, and then flights start fucking up, it's a wrap. Ain't no Obamacare subsidies in sight.

[B]

And here's the thing, so you know.

[A]

They'Re not even gonna get nothing out of there.

[B]

Say what you want about Trump, but his support from his base far supersedes any Democratic leadership or support right now. Democrats don't, which I don't understand.

[A]

I'm gonna be honest with you, regardless.

[B]

Of understanding or not. Like you would acknowledge that there isn't, like, a figure in the Democratic Party that everybody would just go, yeah, we got that guy. That guy's got her back. We support him no matter what. So when you don't even have somebody that's at the helm, that people trust none. And the Republicans know this.

[C]

Why isn't health care that issue, though? That's what's always confused me about America. You can't find anybody in America who likes their health care. It's not like even rich people have great health care.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Everybody's health care sucks. And the further down you go, the worse and worse it goes. And most countries of a similar status to ours have great health, Great health care.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

When I explain to people what our system is from other countries, they think I'm making it up. They can't believe that a country because this wealthy.

[A]

You know, you're right. But you know why we can't have the health care conversation right now?

[C]

Why?

[A]

Because the government shut down and can't pay their bills.

[C]

Okay, but this is a conversation that's been going on my entire life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My question is, same thing with guns, man. Why can't.

[C]

Why isn't that the one issue that everyone's like, get money out of politics, bro. We have a stake in this thing.

[B]

Get me out of politics.

[C]

We all. Same thing.

[B]

Get money out of politics.

[C]

I know what they're given reasons are. It's a fear of socialism.

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

How many people have health care in America?

[C]

I don't even know what the number is.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Chris, Chris, no, that's.

[C]

That's 1,000%.

[A]

A lot of people have no health care.

[B]

Yeah, but the justification, they might say, is like, socialism, whatever this shit is. But, like, the reality of the matter is that there is a lot of money in lobbying against these things. Right.

[C]

And the lobby started in the 1950s to push back against communism and socialism. That's where the whole.

[B]

It was a justification in that, yeah.

[C]

The whole health care lobby, they use.

[B]

That red scare as a way to justify the policies that they profit from for sure, 100%. But, like, I think it's. There's actually an interesting thing happening in America right now. We're like, we seem to be the most aware of lobby groups and how they affect governmental decisions that are not advantageous to the people.

[A]

That's beautiful, right? Like, that's beautiful.

[B]

You've seen it with. With apac, right? You're seeing it. I hope we start to see it with the pharmaceutical lobby. I hope we start to see it with, like, the healthcare lobby in general. And the more we understand that these groups are lobbying against the best interests of the majority of Americans, I think the less power that an influence they'll have in government. Because we start to go, oh, like when you call Hajim Jeffries, whatever, like aipac Shakur or whatever, I think we start looking at these other candidates that are taking millions of dollars from the healthcare lobby. We start to go, oh, you're just the United Healthcare guy. You don't actually care about the American people. And that's a very good thing that's happening. It's not something that happens overnight. But I think the end result of that is you can't keep poking the American people in the eye and expecting us to think that we're having trouble seeing there's something poking us. And that's why.

[A]

Pause. You know who some of the biggest lobbying groups are?

[B]

What's that?

[A]

The United States Chamber of Commerce. Right. So they do the largest business trade association, the national association of Realtors. Ooh, that's interesting. Yes. Pharmaceutical. We knew that Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.

[C]

Used to be tobacco. I don't know if it is anymore.

[A]

American Medical Association. An American hospital association. AIPAC is number five.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, here's the thing with the lobbyist groups.

[C]

Where's the NRA on that?

[A]

They're not on. They're not even in the top five. You know what's so interesting about lobbyists? I was thinking about this the other day, and I said this to, I think, Governor Josh Shapiro when he was on. Maybe it was Josh. I don't remember. I don't know if I have a problem with lobbyist groups. Meaning, like, you know, I hear some people say, I'll never vote for a person who takes a dollar from AIPAC. By the way, it's more than just a PAC's not the only pro Israel lobbyist group.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

I think that. I don't know If I, I don't think I would go that far to ever say I wouldn't vote for somebody who wouldn't take money from one of these organizations. Because if that's the case, you're not gonna vote for anyone, right? Yeah, yeah, but can. I don't think I have a problem with how much money you take if you're not beholden to the lobbyist. Why else, if you're still able to put people over the lobby, people don't.

[C]

Give you money to.

[B]

People don't give you money.

[A]

Right, right.

[C]

I mean, that's if you want to take this. I forget what the number was. $130 million donation to the Pentagon.

[A]

Oh my God, what's up with that, bro?

[C]

If somebody gives Trump $130 million just to hold you over, there's a fucking mass. I mean, who is this person?

[A]

And how do we even know that the military is going to get a dime of that?

[C]

How do we know that this person isn't have access to this defense contractors and isn't going to get paid? I mean, it's like open bribery. Whenever someone gives you money, whether it's a lobbyist or even worse, they want something from, there's an expectation. What's the saying? There's no free lunches, right? Yeah, no free lunches.

[A]

Okay, so let's go back to the horror now, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you give a girl some money or you buy her some nice gifts, she don't owe you no pussy.

[B]

Right? But you might be upset if you don't get some, okay?

[A]

You just move on to the next and then girl.

[B]

And then you might not give any more to that girl. And that's what they're worried about. You might give to the girl that's going to be competing with that girl. And if that girl that's competing with her ends up winning, you're like, fuck, I should have just taken that money.

[A]

But let me tell you why I disagree with. No, I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm gonna tell you why. The girl in the position of power will always have suitors. So as long as you stay in that position of power. So if I'm the guy that takes money from these lobbyists, but I'm not beholden it to them, in fact, I'm telling people, yeah, this motherfucker gave me such and such and such, but I don't give a fuck. It's about the people and I got the people on my side.

[C]

Why would I take the money then?

[A]

Because I Gotta fucking win a campaign.

[B]

Because what happens is sometimes these lobbyist groups will put money against you and not even mention anything about what they care about. So they'll, they'll literally just do a hate campaign on you, saying all the fucked up shit about you so that people don't trust you. And then you lose your election. And it got nothing to do with what the lobbyist group cares about. They just know that the next person is going to be more sympathetic.

[A]

I got the people, man. People trust me, the people believe me.

[B]

Well, that's.

[A]

Now these podcasts talking to people. I got my own podcast talking to them.

[B]

But now that. That's. Now you're talking about Bernie Sanders, it's like you can't lobby against him.

[A]

Who, Donald Trump?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I got the people.

[B]

Exactly. So you can't bully him, right? Like, I'm not saying he's not transactional, but you can't buy him. Like Elon learned that.

[A]

Well, no, that's a good point.

[C]

You can spend on him. He just might not get anything.

[B]

That's what I said, right? I said he is transactional. Right. But you can't buy him, meaning if he doesn't want to do something, it doesn't matter how much.

[C]

I gave you 130 for the Pentagon. Fuck you, I don't care. You're not getting that contract.

[A]

If he.

[B]

But again, if he wants to do something, he thinks that that works. He would love to help you out if you got his back. But if, if he decides he doesn't want it, like, for example, he never.

[A]

Gives off his power.

[B]

Exactly. He needs never giving up because he understands the power is the thing that these people are buying into. And he has to constantly remind you. So for example, like, you know, they, I mean, J.D. vance just said, like, yeah, Israel's not taking the West Bank. We're not going to let it happen. And they could do whatever vote they want about seizing the land, but we're not going to do that. It's not going to happen under this administration. That's a Trump policy. That's not the Israeli policy or Bibi's policy or the people in government because they literally voted to go annex it or whatever the term exactly is. Right, but that's the American people or Trump literally going, yeah, we don't support that. And that's not going to be the best thing for peace. Now, the Adelsons who gave him $100 million in the fucking campaign, they might have wanted a different answer out of him in the same way that Elon Might have wanted a different answer out of him, but at the end of the day, he's not going to give up his power.

[A]

Never gives up.

[B]

And that's a really great point that Charlemagne made, because the second you give up your power, you actually offer nothing to those groups.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

It's almost like they don't want you to do everything that they say. You know what I mean? It's a very interesting dynamic, and that's.

[A]

Why I go back to my original.

[B]

They do, obviously, but once you do, then you're of no use to them because they can do whatever they want. And he understands that in order for them to continue buying in, he has to give them enough. But also he got to let them know that they're not in charge.

[C]

There's a way to distill this down pretty further, which is he just lies all the time. He tells people whatever they want to hear, takes the money, and then keep moving.

[A]

You got to win the election, Chris.

[B]

On the whole lobby, are you describing politicians in general?

[C]

There was, for historical context, around this lobbying thing, which I think is interesting. There was. What was that called? It was bipartisan. McCain, Feingold, I think, 2000ish. There was a lot of momentum about this. I mean, that's the one thing. What is that McCain for a lot. It was. It was a bill to start to try to slowly wean money out of politics. And it had momentum. And it felt like there was a moment. This is what, 24 or 5 years ago at this point, and it never went anywhere. But there's been momentum around this issue before.

[B]

It can't happen with traditional media because these lobbyist groups also spend a lot of money on traditional media. For example, if, like, NBC is selling pharmaceutical ads, like if Kimmel's show, for example, is really just a show to sell pharmaceutical ads, he's not going to take shots at the pharmaceutical industry because NBC is eventually going to go, hey, Jimmy, do us a favor. Like, you could talk about Trump, you could talk about these things, but, like, this is where the bread gets buttered. Don't talk about it. So in the same way that they can lobby politicians, they can lobby the knowledge of. About lobbying to the people, what the Internet has allowed to happen, for better or for worse, because there's a lot of conspiracy bullshit out there. But what's allowed people to kind of a little bit, start to understand how lobby groups could take away the best interests of the American people and the wishes of American people, and then American people start Going, man, we all want fucking health care. We all want there to be some rules on guns. Like, why is this not happening? Oh, there's these groups that are making tons of money to make sure it doesn't happen. Oh, maybe those groups are bad. And maybe the politicians that take money from those groups are not looking out for our best interest. Let's go with these other ones that seem to be looking out for our best interest. And those politicians seem to be. Right now, the ones that are not bought or beholden seem to be the ones that are having success.

[A]

That's why I don't understand these politicians.

[B]

Bang, bang, bang.

[A]

Because you take the money from the lobbyist. Even if you do, don't give up your power. My power is still with the people. So yeah, I'm gonna take your money so I can compete against these other motherfuckers, but I'm not gonna do your bidding. And guess what? When I don't wanna do your bidding and I tell you that up front and you tell me I don't wanna give you no money, guess what? I'm gonna go tell, tell everybody every fucking Bible. I'm gonna be on every podcast telling everybody the NRA tried to give me such and such and I was gonna take the money. Cause I need to compete against these people. But. But when I told them, no, I'm not gonna do your bidding, they said, well, you're not getting no money. So hopefully the people say, well, here's $5 for your campaign and you can make up that money through the people. But, you know, I don't. So it goes back to my original question, do you have to be beholden to these lobbyists?

[D]

I think it's still a huge risk though, because.

[A]

Not really.

[B]

No, you don't, you don't like. What I would say to them is, I'd say to the nra, I'd be like, listen, you can absolutely donate to my campaign. Like, I would never be in politics, but you can donate to my campaign. I believe in the, you know, people's right to bear arms. Like, I believe in that.

[A]

But I believe in common sense. Gun reform.

[B]

Common sense gun reform. And that's something I'm support. Now, if they go, well, then we can't really give you money. I say, that's fine, but if you do give me money, hoping that you can kind of like weasel me into some shit, you're going to find out that you're not able to. And then if you pull back the money, I'm going to say, hey, that Same lobbyist group, that same company that is giving money to my competitor in this race. They gave money to me. And the reason they pulled that money is because I wouldn't do the thing that I said I wouldn't do.

[A]

The NRA doesn't even donate. The Democrats.

[B]

Yeah, they know. They know.

[A]

They haven't donated to Democrats in years. Like I'm talking. Look at them, Chris.

[B]

But you know what?

[A]

This is when the last time the nra, I mean, they haven't donated to Democrats in years.

[B]

I bet you. I bet you since 2020.

[A]

No, I think before that, I bet.

[B]

You around that maybe.

[C]

I think Bernie was actually. I don't know if he took money from the area, but he was pro gun, not because he was. His constituents were.

[B]

So, so what I would say to this is like, I think back in like the year 2020, if I'm not mistaken, maybe even 2010, there were 40 Democrats in Congress that were against abortion. Democrats. Joe Biden, when he was first a congressman, was against abortion. Now there's not a single Democrat that is against abortion. Damn. What has happened is that politics have become so polarizing that there is only one way that you can be in business either on a Republican side or a Democratic side, and that is you have to pass the purity test of the party. And the party has certain tent poles that you need to walk through. And if you're not willing to walk through, you have no chance. And that's a problem because now you don't have the fluidity within the party that you used to have. Used to have Democrats that believed in all these issues for working class people. But they might be religious and they might, you know, not support abortion in the same way. Right. And that is actually, I know abortion is a very touchy subject, but that's actually important for having a larger tent for people to fit in. And that's the problem right now. You can't build a coalition because nobody passed the purity test. You do one thing that the party doesn't like and they throw you out with the trash.

[A]

You were right about 2020, says the NRA now overwhelmingly supports Republican candidates committees. The last meaningful, though still small contribution to Democrats came in the 2020 cycle. $13,800.

[B]

2020 is when it all stopped. Something happened in 2020, but I mean.

[A]

Even then it was super small. 13,800, of course.

[B]

But like, I think something happened after that where just the polarization and it.

[A]

Said, yeah, the NRA's political financial support, it was a total. Yeah, it was a Shift near total realignment of the NRA's political financial support. The one party Republicans over.

[D]

And that's if Zelron wins. That's going to be huge for the. Because that whole passing the purity test is going to be out the window.

[B]

Well, it depends if there's another purity test for him. And that might have different rules, but I agree with you. The rules for his purity test might be like no money from billionaires, no money from PACs.

[D]

Oh, no, I just mean from establishment Democrats. It's like, yo, shit. He has so much support. We have to make our umbrella a little.

[B]

A little bit bigger.

[A]

Oh, look at that. Hold on. Hold. Go right there. During the night. It may be hard to remember, but there was a time when the NRA was a bipartisan organization.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

During the 1992 election cycle, the NRA contributed 30 of his congressional campaign donations to Democrats. Republicans got the lion's share, 63% of the 1.8 million the group gave that year. But it was not as if the NRA was a pseudo wing of the party by 2016 that it all changed. So you know what I was thinking? So why aren't Democrats harder on the nra? Why don't they go harder on the nra? They don't. It's not like they need their fucking money. They're not getting none of their money. So what's keeping them from, like, actually going at the rra? NRA in A R. I think they.

[C]

Go pretty hard at the nra.

[B]

You don't know. I mean, some do, but I think there's a lot of their constituents that, like, don't live in the inner city that actually do like to have a gun to hunt. Like you have a gun to protect their home.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I know you're an independent, but, like, you believe in.

[A]

I believe in my right, to be honest, but I also believe in common sense. Gun reform, of course. And I believe some of these guns don't need to be on the motherfucking screen.

[B]

I think most. I think 80% of Americans agree with that. But I think what we're witnessing right now is that, like, because of social media and because of the Internet back in the day, the only way to get ideas out there to the world, you had to put them on certain existing platforms, I. E. Like a nightly news show or something like that. That. So your ideas couldn't be so radical. Right. Because you knew that you were feeding them to massive groups of people that had different political values. Right. So you had to kind of like Shave off the edges a bit. You had to make them a little bit more palatable almost for Republicans and Democrats. Like, everybody was just a little bit closer. Now with social media, the Internet, you could just speak directly to your interest group and nothing else. So politics, and not only politics, every issue has become so polarizing and so extreme because you don't even have to care about the people who may disagree or may be on the fence. Matter of fact, trying to be nuanced right now gets no algorithmic support.

[A]

Trying to be all things to all people gets you nowhere.

[B]

Or not even all things. Like literally just trying to have a nuanced, thoughtful take ends up pissing off both extremes because they're so radicalized in.

[A]

How they think about things.

[B]

So the. So the way that we consume information, which is algorithmic clips, there is no portal to reward thoughtful nuanced takes. The algorithm doesn't reward it. Like, nobody's like, hey, I'm swiping my phone late at night, you want to see some crazy shit? You're not going, oh, what is an interesting nuanced take about gun control or an interesting nuance take about healthcare and its costs? You're just going to the wildest ones. And then people gravitate towards that in general when they're creating content. And now we have these polarized world where there's 100 different silos of different opinions that are the strongest possible opinion that it could be on each topic. And nobody's talking to each other and nobody really feels fully represented. You feel represented in one thing and then completely disagree about the next. Yeah, right. If this was a design from a foreign country to destabilize another one. It is, it is, it is. It would be perfect.

[A]

I agree with you, Chris. Chris been saying this for some years and I agree, like, I agree with him. We, whatever Russia or China, whoever the fuck they did, the way they made us start having discourse, it literally changed our cognitive army. It changed our cognitive abilities, bro, you don't need it.

[B]

I mean, that's what the whole. In my opinion, that's what the whole Saudi Arabia comedy show thing was. Nobody's talking about it. I told you, two weeks from now, nobody will talk about it. There isn't a single peep on the Internet about it. Not a video, not a comment, nothing. To me, what I think it was is I think there was foreign countries that didn't like that this could potentially happen or even maybe internal. I think they bot farm the fuck out of it. And I think American, like TikTok Political commentators started glomming onto it because they're like, oh shit, this feels like a story. And then there's views. The comedians started talking about it, but the second the bots stopped reinforcing everything, the story died. The next week, the tennis guys are doing the tennis match in Saudi Arabia. Nobody says a word. The day after that, Shaq is there for, I think it was maybe the tennis match. Speed is there. Mr. Beast is doing a video there. And not a single conversation, not a single video, Nothing.

[A]

I think that the biggest issue with the era that we're in because of whatever Psyop has happened on social media, it just makes all of us think in extremes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We don't play in the gray area at, at all. Like, no. To me, that's what critical thinking is. I can hear something over here, hear something over there, and then form my own opinion. Like, I can't stand. I would never do X, Y and Z for X, Y. Like, that's not true, bro. Like, bro. And the AIPAC thing is a good thing. Like, I'll never take a dollar from. I mean, I'll never vote for somebody who took a dollar from aipac. You might be any pro Israel lobbyist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you're gonna be sitting out elections for the foreseeable future.

[B]

Future.

[A]

So that, what does that mean? So does that mean in 2026, is this election not important?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In 2028, is that election not important?

[B]

You also. Yeah, there's something talking about, there's a virtue signaling to that too.

[A]

And you put. But you put yourself in a corner is what I'm saying. You put your own self in the.

[B]

Corner where you no longer can impact the course of the country. Yeah. 100 I. But I, I also understand people like feeling like I don't want to support this thing where I'm seeing tax dollars go to something that's not.

[A]

I agree. But I'm not going to say I would, would never vote for a candidate that took a dollar from them because I guarantee you when 2026 and 2028.

[B]

Comes around, you're going to vote.

[A]

When you're going to look at the people, all of them is taking some money from a pro Israel lobby.

[B]

Or the other thing you could do is be like, why don't they just register as like a foreign, whatever foreign lobby group? Like, because there are plenty of them. Like Qatar has one. It spends millions and millions of dollars. And I imagine every single quadrant has a different one so that registering in a different way might be effective. And again, I Don't know. I don't know exactly how that works, but I think that at least feels more fair. Right? Because if we're going to allow Italy to do it and we're going to allow Qatar to do it and all these other countries to do it, then why wouldn't we allow them to do it?

[A]

I agreed. Let's pay some bills, man.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Let's do some asking. Idiots, man. MDSIB says a celebrity everyone likes. You don't like.

[B]

Celebrity that everyone likes.

[A]

You don't like.

[B]

You don't like.

[A]

That's easy.

[B]

Oh, Drake.

[A]

Bunch of them. Drake for you, probably. But I mean, I don't dislike Drake. I just never like when Drake sings. I like when he raps. But I get why he sings now. I don't know, man. It just depends. Like, you know, if you glaze a little too hard, you gonna make me stop liking the celebrity.

[B]

No, no, I know.

[A]

You know what I mean? You like the U.N. i like the underdog.

[B]

You don't like the crowd favorite.

[A]

But I also like the person. You gotta tell me why this person is so fantastic. You know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes people just be chatting about certain celebrities and, you know, don't really know why they like them. They like them because everybody likes them.

[B]

It's trendy to like them.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, Taylor Swift.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, wow. I thought her show was phenomenal. We already talked about this. I thought his show was phenomenal.

[A]

But I don't dislike Taylor. There's no celebrity I really dislike.

[B]

You know, I'm trying to think. I don't really have that kind of energy for a celebrity.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. There's no celebrity I dislike. I may not glaze like the rest, but I don't. I don't dislike too many celebrities, but I. Can you name a celebrity, I can have an argument about you. Why? I can have a contrarian argument with you.

[B]

Who's someone that people don't like, that you do?

[A]

That people don't like that I do. A lot of people Charlize a lot of folks I'm trying to stand. I mean, who. Like. You gotta give me an example. Like a musician. We keeping it strictly music.

[B]

We can. I don't know.

[A]

Cause I mean, everybody I like, there's people that like them.

[B]

That's the thing. The most popular people are very polarizing.

[A]

Are polarizing?

[B]

Yeah. It's a great question, but it's just tough.

[A]

And I guess I'm a ride. It depends who it is. Like, I'm A ride for like. Like, if somebody argues with me about Cardi, I'll probably argue with you about Cardi.

[B]

Yeah, but Cardi's fire.

[A]

But just because not only is Cardi a fire artist, you also know her. She's a good person.

[B]

Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Once you know somebody, you're defending who they are as a human versus, like, somebody's perception of them based on tweets.

[A]

I hate when people tell me I'm biased. Bias towards Cardi. I'm not biased towards Cardi. I love Cardi.

[B]

There it is. Yeah, but it's also like, you know her. You're not arguing. You're not arguing with her sister about her. No, you're arguing with somebody who knows the Internet's version of her.

[A]

Exactly. Not only has Cardi been super authentic since day one. Yeah, since day one. We was just all on Instagram back in the day. She was super authentic. She came to my daughter's.

[B]

I know. That's fire. You always. That's it. Never forget it.

[A]

My daughter and her kids will never forget that.

[B]

Never forget.

[A]

As long as they live, she will always be able to say, cardi B. Came to my sweet 16. Cardi. Starring them in. No time soon, that's gonna always be a thing. All right, so for all you people that say I'm biased towards Cardi, I'm not biased. I love her. Okay? Suck my dick. Talk that shit from the back. From the back. I'm riding with Big Body every single time they do that with me. With fucking Roc Nation, too.

[B]

Oh, they say you're too biased for Roc Nation.

[A]

Yeah, but it's not that I'm biased. Here's the thing, and to your point, and I've always said, you know, when you actually know people in the business, it's different. Exceptional change.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The reason I like Roc Nation, Desiree Perez and Jay Z and. And my man Beehi and Emery and all of them is because I've seen them. I've watched how they treat people that can't do nothing for them. That is same thing with Cardi. Watch how certain individuals treat people that can't do anything for them.

[B]

It's a true sign of someone's.

[A]

That's when you know if a motherfucker's a good person or not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've seen all of these individuals I just named show up for people, right? Show up for causes, show up for organizations. Seeing people make phone calls and just let them know what's going on. And they show up anonymously. Sometimes not anonymously. If people find out, it don't matter. They're for the people I like people who are for the people. I don't give a fuck what y' all think. You know what I mean? Y' all don't see what I see. Haven't been around what I've been around. That's why I ride hard for certain individuals.

[B]

Yeah, but you don't know anything. Charlamagne. I watched three TikToks that said different.

[A]

Yeah, watch three months.

[B]

What the fuck would you know?

[A]

The motherfucker telling you that people sacrifice goats and mix it with hamster shit and then make a nice little paste and then put that in a fucking beyond burger. Then they go get a little piece of human hair, wrap it around their ear, and then they take a little earwax out of their ear, put that on the fucking human hair, then rub it between they toes, do two, three clicks, and then say, hi. Hi. Hi. Ha. He ha hoo he he he he. Somebody died. And then they become a fucking superstar. So you think that's how shit works out here? Motherfuckers are really crazy. That's what they be doing on TikTok.

[B]

Yo, I wish Chris just ran in the door, like, did you call me?

[A]

But I'm just saying, yo, people just be fucking making up shit about folks, man, and it's just weird.

[B]

Come on, dude. Like, wouldn't you rather just let. Let some stranger on the Internet make all of your opinions on the world for you?

[A]

By the way, that's a great point.

[B]

Isn't that an easier way of going through life?

[A]

But that's a great point. You know what you just brought up, that's such a great point.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

The fact that there are people on YouTube that will tell those of us who are actually in the know that we don't know what the fuck we talking about. Meanwhile, you at home in your motherfucking basement in Wisconsin just canceling, Okay? I ain't never met a motherfucker coming to all of these conclusions. Based off what?

[B]

Based off what?

[A]

Man, shut up. By the way, And I want y' all to know something, too. I want to tell one of y' all to say one more thing. If y' all think I'm in the Illuminati value. Just wait, wait. I'm giving y' all a heads up right now. I'm giving y' all a heads up right now. I'm telling you right now. I'm giving you a heads up.

[B]

We getting a rad Monet.

[A]

I think I'm in the Illuminati now. You just hold your horse.

[B]

How long we gotta wait? How long we gotta wait?

[A]

Yeah, I'm just gonna let the year play out.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Just let the year play out, baby. It's already October, almost November. I'm just gonna let the year play out once again. If you think I'm in the Illuminati now, you just wait. Y' all might as well start making your think pieces now. Get your YouTube videos ready. Fucking just go ahead and do it now.

[D]

Now.

[A]

Just letting you know what else we got.

[B]

Which American city has the best food and culture? And this is from Empty Chair Tech.

[D]

Without question.

[B]

It's. New York is not even close.

[A]

No, that's not true.

[D]

Nothing even close to it.

[B]

It's not even close.

[A]

Get out of New York City.

[B]

What's another city that has.

[A]

I can name another new. That has better culture and better food than New York?

[D]

You say Jersey right now, man.

[A]

New Orleans. Go to New Orleans. What I would say is.

[B]

No, I got. Because I thought about that, too. New Orleans has fantastic food and incredibly unique culture. It's like you feel like you're almost not in America, even though you are. I will say 100% love New Orleans, but it's got just that. New York.

[A]

That's what they asked about.

[B]

Nah. Food and culture, but it has just that. New York has a thousand different foods and cultures that you can indulge in.

[A]

Because y' all are a culturally appropriating city.

[B]

Not appropriating. They come here, they come in, they're appropriating New York.

[A]

Same difference. But New Orleans, New Orleans fire, bro. No, we love New Orleans, but it's not New Orleans. I'm biased because I'm gonna say Charleston, South Carolina, man. Come on, come on, come on. But that's where I'm from, and I understand the Geechee Gullah culture, and I love the food. But if I'm being objective, what's the culture?

[B]

Eat a raccoon on the road.

[A]

Gullah, bro. Geechee Gullah, boy. We box you in your fucking mouth, boy.

[B]

Boxer in your mouth out here eating boonkies.

[A]

Listen, New Orleans culture is so fire. It is. We just watch Cash Money and no Limit versus on Saturday.

[B]

It is.

[A]

And that was a phenomenal fucking.

[B]

It is not denying that.

[D]

That's something new that just happened.

[A]

Yeah. Cash Money, no Limit. Just had a versus.

[B]

That's how fucked up we are right now. That the only thing that we all come together for right now is politics. Everything else that Used to just be a gravitational force and bring all the people in to comment on it. That's done.

[A]

They did it on a bad night. They shouldn't have did it on a Saturday. Cause I was leaving the South Carolina Alabama game. I was leaving Williams Bryant Stadium, and we put it on in the car.

[B]

But five years ago or three years ago, Dick could be on any night of the week and we all would have tuned.

[A]

We were also at home though, and they used to do it during the week like Lock Dipstead was during the week. If you had home on a ranch. Random Wednesday and Lock Dipstead on you turning that Gucci, man. Jeezy was a random Wednesday.

[B]

But I miss. I miss monoculture. I miss when we all shared the same experience. Like it was the one, not it was the one. Nice thing about COVID is that anything that happened, it happened to all of us at the same time. Last Dance was all of us at the same time. Any like meme or song or anything that went viral, a news story was all of us at the same time.

[A]

Well, China, stop all this cyber shit. Stop the biowar.

[B]

Let us have a fucking monoculture again.

[A]

Give us three months in the house.

[D]

It was Cash Murray versus who.

[A]

No Limit.

[D]

Oh, I didn't hear that part.

[A]

Cash money versus no Limit. That shit was fire. Wayne didn't show up.

[B]

Do you know who. You know who those groups are.

[D]

Yeah, but Wayne didn't show up.

[A]

Wayne didn't show up. And mystical is in prison, you know? But wait, why didn't Wayne show up? I don't know. They said different things. They said Turk, Young Turk said that Wayne said if everybody wasn't going to be there, he wasn't going to come. And I guess Birdman and Turk got some type of issue. So Turk wasn't there. So Wayne was there. Wayne was actually in Vegas. From what they were saying. I think they said he performed at Dreus. But it was still fire, though. I mean, man. Cause what you realize in moments like that is the impact no Limit had on culture.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Right? And that's why when they asked me about it at first, like, who gonna win? I'm like, oh, that's a tough one. I gave the Edge the cash money.

[D]

You have to.

[A]

No, you don't have to. Don't say that. You don't have to.

[D]

Cash money also has young money under it.

[A]

No, they don't.

[D]

You have Drake, you got Nikki. Dude, that counts. What do you mean?

[A]

It was cash money. Young money. No, it doesn't. Cash money is juvie. BG Turk, Lil Wayne, Mannie Fresh, Birdman. That's cash money.

[D]

Young Money was under cash money. So technically, they are cash money artists as well.

[A]

Yes, it is. No, no, no, no, no, no and no and absolutely, positively not. Okay, no. But no limit is dope. Mia X is phenomenal. Juvenile, God amongst men. Like these people. Like, these are people who we watched from the 90s till now and they've somehow gotten better. Everything that they said hip hop isn't supposed to do, these people have aged better. They're stage president. The way they're able to command the crowd on stage, like Mia X killed it. The only thing I wish is that Wayne was there. And I wish, you know, they would have played some mystical records. Cause mystical's in jail for some very heinous crimes. But it's still a celebration of music. You don't gotta celebrate the man in order to celebrate the music. So you could play Here I go. You could play the man right here. And I wish they would've let me, an ex dude. You don't wanna go to war with.

[B]

Exposure Stolen the truth I thought I.

[A]

Told you mama four star lady General Hitchin a tank I represent get your buck and I hate to be fucked with nigga Lyric old lyric old ghetto sea devil Below the sea level chills the endless sister who wasn't outside Wasn't outside. Father's taco said, if you had to raise a kid of the opposite race, black, white, what would you teach them first?

[B]

Black kids. What would I teach the black kid first? What are you laughing at over here?

[D]

What would you teach a black kid first?

[B]

Gotta teach him how to pronounce it right. You know, I gotta call you probably over and be like, yo, don't make him sound crazy.

[A]

No.

[B]

What was the first thing you teach them? I'm assuming this is, like, when they're old enough to, like, learn something, not just how to be a good person and all that kind of shit.

[A]

The first thing I would say is like, look, man, you know Pops loves hip hop. You can listen to this music, but don't you ever, under any circumstances, say this N word, okay? I don't care what songs burn into your brain from years of listening to your father's music. Don't you ever feel like you can say this word? Okay? And then the next thing I would say is, and if we get pulled over, all right, you talk to use your motherfucking privilege to get us out of this situation, okay? I'd be using my little white son's fucking white Girl's privilege. Like Starbucks wifi. Bro, are you out your fucking mind? Huh?

[D]

Could Snoop Dogg have performed?

[A]

Snoop came out.

[D]

Oh, he did. He was in.

[A]

First of all, Snoop. Snoop put out more albums on no Limit than he did Death Row.

[D]

Yeah, that's what I said.

[A]

Hell, yeah. Snoop came out and did down for my hitter.

[D]

Nah. So then it's Snoop could do that. Drake.

[A]

No, he can't.

[D]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Snoop was no Limit, Alex. Original no Limit. Like, Snoop did more albums on Death no Limit than he did Death Row. He did two albums on Death Row and, like, three on no Limit. No Limit saved him when Death Row fucking collapsed. Yeah, big difference. Let's do one more, man. King Ivan. Oh, no. Oh, we did that one. King Ivan says, what do you think we can do to help people that actually need government funding just to eat? Go to your local food bank, man. I told y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

You know, I'm an ambassador for the Food bank of New York City. Been an ambassador for them for quite a few years. I just donated the 1, 2, 3. I donated the 3, 4 food banks today. Today. On the day we're recording this, this is a Tuesday. I donated to four food banks. I donated to, of course, the food bank in New York City and Harlem, I donated to. I'll give y' all the names of them so y' all can look them up yourself. Hold on one second.

[D]

And if you can't donate money, you can donate your time.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

If you can't donate money, you can donate your time. I donated to the Broad River Business alliance in Columbia, South Carolina. And I donated to Harvest Hope in Columbia, South Carolina. And hold on, I'm gonna give you the one in Charleston as well. In Charleston, I donated to the community resource center. And in Harlem, I did the food bank in New York City. Another good one that you can do in Charleston, South Carolina, is the Hope Center. You know, I've been providing them breakfast for. I provided them breakfast for a whole year since. Since last year. So, yes, go to look up your local food bank, your local food pantry in your city or your community, and, you know, just see what they need. Whether it's money, whether it's, you know, resources like groceries, whatever. Just. Just go to your local food bank food pantry, man. Cause that's why I think a lot of people gonna end up turning. Come on, Nick. Come on, Nick. Like, Nick. Think I'm a fucking rookie, yo. Really?

[B]

What is that?

[A]

Think I'm a rookie, yo.

[B]

What? Come on.

[A]

Did Charlotte Elder get that Will Fit checked out? Come on, bro. Come on, bro.

[D]

He tried.

[A]

That's funny. One more. How's Taylor? Is Chris gonna vote for Curtis? Since they should.

[B]

How is Taylor?

[A]

Is Chris gonna vote for Curtis since they share the same view on Mopez?

[B]

He probably will.

[A]

He probably will. Taylor's good. I talked to Taylor last week. Taylor will be back after Thanksgiving.

[C]

Man.

[A]

Man. Wow. Taylor will be back after Thanksgiving. Taylor last night.

[B]

I got to check in again.

[A]

I talk to Taylor all the time, but I saw her a couple weeks ago, but she. She'll be back after Thanksgiving.

[B]

We love you, Taylor.

[A]

Love you, Taylor. Gang, salute to my man Patrick Taylor.

[B]

Shout out to Patrick.

[A]

That's it, you know? Yeah. What do you keep scrolling for? Is that something you want us to answer, Alex?

[D]

No, I'm just. I didn't know if you want to do more.

[A]

Oh, okay. N. That's the last one, huh? You want to end with this one? This is a good question.

[B]

All right, do that one. See if we can gum the other one.

[A]

What's the other one?

[B]

Gum down his dick.

[A]

As always.

[B]

I slow played that whole. For an hour, I let that shit simmer like a curry. You had some nice little oxtail right there, my brother. Wow.

[A]

As always, if you listen to the podcast, meat fell off a bone into your mouth, probably.

[B]

For all y' all that watch this. Oh, my God. You're welcome.

[A]

All right. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right. But if you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Thank you for listening. Peace.