Moonrise Kingdom

Summary

The Brilliant Idiots Podcast: "Moonrise Kingdom" (April 10, 2026)

Hosts: Charlamagne Tha God, Andrew Schulz
Guest/Contributor: Chris + Additional contributors

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Brilliant Idiots delivers a classic, freewheeling mix of parental real talk, generational critique, pop culture commentary, music industry drama, and plenty of both idiocy and sudden moments of brilliance. Charlamagne, Schulz, and Chris unpack the challenges of modern parenting, mental health trends, wealth and generational toughness, the business of sports and music, and headline controversies (from hip-hop beefs to Kanye's continuing provocations). Hilarious banter is interspersed with surprisingly deep dives into self-awareness, accountability, and social change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Parenting, Generations, and Toughness (00:30–13:00)

• Parenting Transitions: Charla and Schulz discuss how kids' personalities shift, with “easy” kids often turning “hard”—and vice versa.
  • Andrew: “There’s nothing breaks your heart more than…when the easy kid becomes the hard one.” (02:39)
• Manipulation and Trust: Both recount stories of kids faking illness and testing boundaries, with a generational lens.
  • Charlamagne: “She’s learning...my dad’s not gonna leave me with a shit in my pants, so I’m gonna lie to him about having a shit in my pants.” (04:38)
• Impact of Wealth on Kids: A multi-layered debate unfolds about whether affluence makes kids “soft,” or if it’s simply a generational shift toward emotional self-expression.
  • Schulz: “No, I don’t give a fuck. I’m so happy that they live the life of luxury." (07:07)
  • Chris: "I’m less resilient than my father was.” (07:41)
• Teenagers & Mental Health: The anxiety and self-expression of kids today are discussed, including how mental health language can be both empowering and, sometimes, manipulative.
  • Chris: “Now [kids] have the language of mental health...they can talk about anxiety, which is fantastic...but they can be manipulative.” (11:15)

2. Societal Shifts: Mental Health, Manipulation, and Meritocracy (13:03–21:32)

• Mental Health Systems & Meritocracy: Stories about kids using “mental health days” to escape responsibilities, and how institutions (e.g., sports teams) now respond to emotional well-being.
  • Charlamagne: “How much do we change the meritocracy to control for catastrophic events?” (14:17)
  • Andrew: “Even if it feels pussy for our generation, I’m not mad at that... Make him a punter.” (13:06)
• Comparisons to Past Generations: Hosts reflect on how their parents' stricter, less communicative methods aren’t always for the best, and how today’s openness is hopefully a net positive—even if it enables some manipulation.
  • Chris: “Things are hard for kids. The way they learn to get past it is to experience more.” (20:20)
  • Schulz: “There are certain things that kids have been doing since the beginning of time. Like, your kid is gonna pretend to be sick and you gotta take it serious.” (20:43)

3. Discipline, Beatings & Changing Norms (21:00–25:43)

• Changing Parenting Styles: The hosts recall threats of corporal punishment from their own parents while acknowledging modern discipline is less physical—debating whether “beatings” really worked.
  • Andrew: “Did the beatings and spankings work? I think so, bro.” (24:50)
  • Charlamagne: “Nah, nah, nah…I don’t think so.” (24:53)
• On "Spanking" vs. Adult Life: They riff on the weirdness of “spanking” being a term for both punishing kids and adult bedroom activities.
  • Andrew: “It’s actually sick that we say ‘spank’ the kids, but then you want to spank some ass in the bedroom…” (25:06)

4. Women’s Basketball, Sports Impact & Identity (26:34–36:18)

• Final Four Reflections: Charlamagne recaps attending the women’s NCAA Final Four, citing the cultural and economic impact—especially Dawn Staley’s role and visibility of queer women athletes (e.g., the “Stud Buds”).
  • Andrew: “There is nothing better than women’s basketball.” (26:39)
  • Charlamagne: “Let them be studs. Let the Internet embrace it and love it.” (30:09)
• Coaches as Economic Engines: Discussion of college sports economics, with coaches being more central than constantly rotating players.
  • Charlamagne: “College sports…is not really about the players...the coach is curating that economic development in the city.” (34:55)

5. Music Industry Drama: Pooh Shiesty, Gucci Mane & Contract Violence (39:38–56:47)

• Alleged Robbery/Kidnapping over Contracts: Story of Pooh Shiesty supposedly robbing Gucci Mane to get released from his contract is dissected as classic “crash out” thinking.
  • Schulz: “Never in the history of life for anybody of any color will this work out...That is not going to end well for you, buddy.” (47:40)
  • Charlamagne: "It’s just sad, man. I’m just tired of watching people…crash the fuck out." (55:51)
• Why Don’t Black Artists Do This to White Execs?: The hosts discuss why these incidents rarely happen to white music executives, and whether street code or expectations around snitching play a role.
  • Charlamagne: “I’ve never seen them do it to a white executive. White executives out here with the same contracts…“ (45:07)
• Predatory Contracts and Renegotiation: They critique the music industry’s exploitative deals, arguing that successful execs should always renegotiate in good faith and share the spoils.
  • Andrew: “The smart thing to do is renegotiate so you avoid shit like this.” (51:55)
  • Charlamagne: “Let’s make money together.” (52:08)
• Parenting Full Circle: The absurdity of Pooh Shiesty allegedly bringing his dad along is highlighted, drawing it back to the show’s parenting theme.

6. Rapper Woes & Violent Trends (55:51–61:07)

• Offset Shooting & Rap Violence: The Offset shooting incident is covered—a jumping off point to discuss the wider cultural cost of these conflicts and why Schulz and Charla avoid “bad energy” at hip-hop events.
  • Andrew: “All this shit do is make me realize I don’t even want to see rappers unless they on Breakfast Club, okay?” (60:09)
• Maturity in Hip-Hop: The hosts point out that it’s the "younger rappers" who keep getting caught up in violent drama, as opposed to older artists.

7. The Kanye West Dilemma: Free Speech & Consequences (61:11–77:44)

• Kanye Banned from UK, Sponsors Flee: They analyze the recent withdrawal of sponsors from events headlined by Kanye after renewed outrage over his antisemitism and provocations (e.g., “Heil Hitler” song).
  • Charlamagne: “If you offend me, it’s fuck you forever…Certain people, there’s never fucking with this individual ever again.” (69:49)
• Free Speech vs. Consequence Debate: Emphatic points are made about free speech not equalling freedom from consequence. International context and America’s unique stance are discussed.
  • Andrew: “Free speech is not free. There is a price to everything that comes out your mouth.” (67:32)
  • Charlamagne: “Free speech is only in America.” (71:22)
• Art vs. Artist & The Power of Nostalgia: They wrestle with whether it’s possible to separate an artist’s problematic actions from their art, and why classic music from one’s youth is almost impossible to leave behind.
  • Andrew: “Some people’s art was so historically good…you ain’t letting that shit go…Music will always bring you back there.” (76:38)
  • Charlamagne: “You’re really protecting the way you felt. You’re not really protecting the guy…” (77:02)

8. Comedy, Blackface, and The Boundaries of Offense (87:02–101:07)

• Jake Paul, Drewski & Blackface Satire: The hosts parse the distinction between classic blackface (as a racist ritual) vs. modern impressions/comedy, and what would make a sketch offensive or not.
  • Charlamagne: “A lot of Gen Z… don’t know what blackface is.” (90:07)
  • Andrew: “I grew up in an era where people absolutely, positively made fun of everything.” (96:33)
• Gender, Sexuality in Comedy: They relive the era of “In Living Color” and “Martin,” when black comedians would cross-dress for laughs, and discuss Dave Chappelle’s objections.
  • Charlamagne: “We were all dying laughing. None of us were like, look at Hollywood, trying to emasculate…” (99:07)
• The Rules of Offense: The conclusion—comic risks can result in career-ending consequences, so “don’t be pussy” about the fallout.

9. Conspiracy Hour: Did We Really Go to the Moon? (115:41–123:44)

• Moon Landing Skepticism: A classic back-and-forth on moon landing conspiracy theories and the logic (or lack thereof) behind believing or denying the event.
  • Andrew: “NASA, you ain’t got nothing greater [now]? But you went there in 1969?” (115:52)
  • Charlamagne: “I haven’t been back to Cancun, but it exists.” (116:14)

10. Self-Awareness, Aging, & "Being Human" (125:53–128:12)

• When Do Men Get Comfortable “Being Themselves”?: The group muses on when men drop their masks and just “be human,” agreeing it mostly happens after age 40.
  • Andrew: “Men allow to just be comfortable being human at 40 plus. I think so.” (126:50)
  • Charlamagne: “I respect those people who never lose it. And I respect the ones who lost it and got it back, too.” (128:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kids Manipulating Parents:
  • Charlamagne (04:38): “She’s learning, like, the mechanisms of manipulation. At two years old, she’s going, my dad’s not gonna leave me with a shit in my pants…”
• On Free Speech & Consequences:
  • Andrew (67:40): “There is a price to every word that comes out of your mouth…that’s on them.”
• On Meritocracy vs. Catastrophe:
  • Charlamagne (14:17): “How much do we change the meritocracy to control for catastrophic events?”
• On Nostalgia and Music:
  • Chris (76:22): “There are studies that show, like, around the age of 15, 16, 17, the music that you listen to…gets embedded in your brain almost.”
• On Predatory Contracts:
  • Andrew (51:55): “The smart thing to do is renegotiate so you avoid shit like this.”
• On Parenting Then vs. Now:
  • Charlamagne (24:44): “They got soft, bro. They got soft. We stopped the beatings and grandparents got soft.”
• On Blackface Satire Limits:
  • Charlamagne (90:16): “A lot of Gen Z that’s watching this, they actually don’t know what blackface is.”
• On Coping with Offense in Comedy:
  • Andrew (101:07): “If you do it, don’t be pussy. Deal with the consequences that come with doing it.”
• On Old vs. Young Rappers:
  • Andrew (60:09): “If I’m someplace and there’s one too many rappers around, I’m probably in the wrong place.”
• On Human Civilization and God’s ‘Favorite Season’:
  • Charlamagne (123:09): “What was God’s favorite season?…World War II was probably crazy, bro.”

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Important Timestamps

• Parenting & Generational Softness: 01:13–13:03
• Mental Health in Kids Today & Manipulation: 06:00–13:03
• Beatings, Discipline, and Soft Parents/Grandparents: 24:05–25:43
• Women’s Final Four, Stud Buds, Dawn Staley: 26:34–36:18
• Music Industry: Pooh Shiesty/Gucci Mane Drama: 39:38–56:47
• Rapper Drama, Offset Shooting: 55:51–61:07
• Kanye West, Free Speech, Consequences: 61:11–77:44
• Jake Paul, Drewski, and Blackface Satire: 87:02–101:07
• Moon Landing Debate: 115:41–123:44

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Tone & Flow

True to form, the energy swings from raw confessional to performative idiocy, honest vulnerability to merciless roasting. Charlamagne and Schulz riff, disagree, and build on each other’s points with seamless rhythm. Chris serves as the soft-spoken, thoughtful counterpoint, often providing cultural commentary or poignant personal stories. The show’s balance of humor and honesty makes even the wildest takes land with charm.

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode is an illuminating, hilarious, and at times profound dissection of both personal and societal contradictions: how privilege shapes resilience, why mental health advocacy is both needed and easily gamed, why legends like Kanye are both uncancelable and unpardonable, and why parenting—like music and fame—is a game of impossible outcomes. All tied together with banter so sharp it’s hard not to laugh even when they’re dead serious.

Transcript

[Andrew Schultz]

Mom, can you tell me a story? Sure. Once upon a time, a mom needed a new car. Was she brave? She was tired mostly. But she went to Carvana.com and found a great car at a great price. No secret treasure map required.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did you have to find a dragon?

[Andrew Schultz]

Nope.

[Chris]

She bought it 100% online from her bed, actually.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was it scary? Honey, it was as unscary as car buying could be.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did the car have a sunroof?

[Chris]

It did, actually.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, good story.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Car buying.

[Andrew Schultz]

You'll want to tell stories about. Buy your car today on Carvana.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Delivery fees may apply.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yep. Charlamagne thgot Andrew Schultz. We are the brilliant idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Hezekiah Walker.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I hope. I hope what Charlamagne just told me before this podcast started never sees the light of day.

[Andrew Schultz]

We was just brainstorming some sketches.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, we were.

[Andrew Schultz]

You can't brainstorm a sketch or two.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think you could even call that a stretch.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's exactly what would have happened. That was what would have happened to his butthole. Listen, how was your weekend, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, my weekend was good, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Would you do anything fun?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where were we just. Was that in Rhode island this weekend?

[Andrew Schultz]

No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, the past weekend. I don't even know what I did. I just hung out. The family? Oh, no, we went out east. We were out east with the family.

[Andrew Schultz]

Was out of these Hamptons.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hamptons. And we just did a nice little chilling with the fam. Bro. My daughter's like, like, just awesome. Like, around 2, they start to really communicate. And you went through this four times, so you already know. But, like, you get to actually engage with them, play with them, negotiate with them. Like, imagine things.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's a beautiful thing. That means nothing. It's not gonna mean anything when they get to about six or seven. Cause they become whole different people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Whatever. That sweet little innocent thing gotta hold on to a bit. Oh, my God. Cause at some point there's gonna be a turn around six or seven and you're like, who are you? Did you get possessed? What happened?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

And don't let one of them, like. Let's just say one of them early was like the rebel rouser. Right? Rebel rouser. What is it? Rebel or rebel Rebel. If one of them early was the rebel rouser.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then the other one was the calm one. At some point the personalities are going to switch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ooh, I was like that too. Apparently I had. What is it called? The terrible twos. You heard of that?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, man, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was like, terrible at that age or so. And then, like, I was fine. The older version, where you're supposed to be terrible, it was one of those switched.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did you experience that, Chris?

[Chris]

Yeah, I mean, I'm in the middle of it right now. Where my quote, easy kid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, now she's going to the hard kid.

[Chris]

And my quote, hard kid is great.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So you never know. And that says teenagers, young adults, so buckle up.

[Andrew Schultz]

By the way, nothing breaks your heart more. Don't even say than the easy kid. But you know, we put too much on them early. I know, right? So the easy kid. I. How can my easy kid be easy? And they're only seven, you know, they just got here. So, you know, they're going through phases. So when the easy kid becomes the hard one, but you're used to the other one being. It's like, yo, yeah, what happened?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And there's this. That's outside of your control. Right. It's like their environment at school, their friend group.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah. I did a whole deep dive on it yesterday. I was just like, yo, what the fuck? But that's exactly what it is. Like, they're.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you sit down with your kid at that age and like, will they. Will they be, like, self aware enough to tell you what's going on?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think so. I mean, that's the only way I know how to even do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how do you do it? What do you.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's what you do. You sit down and you got to have conversations one on one. One on one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, so how do you broach that? And how old is she?

[Andrew Schultz]

Seven.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, she's seven years old. You sit her down. Is your wife present or is it just you?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, she's there sometime, but you just. You gotta just sit there and talk to her and ask her what's wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You'll start with, there's something wrong. You're not just like, without feeling well.

[Andrew Schultz]

By the way, this is after a blowout. I've exhausted everything. I've exhausted the yelling and the like, yo, you gonna do it? I've got to the, yo, what's wrong? What's up? Like, what's going on with you? Blah, blah, blah, this and that. And so once you have that conversation, they still gonna look you dead in the eyes and say, no. You know what I mean? And it's just like, you gotta let them deal with what I'm trying to convince them of now. At least the one is that you gotta see things through. Like, everything can't be. When you don't wanna do Something I'm sick when kid. Because you can't play with that. Like, because as a parent, you're constantly going to take your children to the doctor every time they say that they're sick or they stomach hurt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, my daughter's doing this right now where, like, you know, we'll put her down to sleep and I'll, you know, read the books and everything. And then I'll, you know, I'll go, okay, it's time to go to bed. She'll go to bed and then she'll go after I leave, she'll like, wait a minute. She'll be like, daddy, I have a poopy.

[Andrew Schultz]

See what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And she knows that if she shit herself, I have to come clean it. So she's learning, like, the mechanisms of manipulation. At 2 years old, she's going, my dad's not going to leave me with a shit in my pants, so I'm going to lie to him about having a shit in my pants so that he comes and gets me. That's at two years old.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you're trying to teach all these lessons. You're trying to teach these lessons about not lying, number one. Number two, because lying leads to so many things. I have to trust you as a parent. And the worst thing is when the kids tell you that they sick yo. Because you can't dismiss the help. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nope, nope, nope, nope.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I was trying to convince her the other day. Cause, like, you know, she complained about stomach aches, stomachaches, by the way. This has been going on for like a couple of years now. So you take her to the doctor. I'm like, we took her to the doctor one time and she got me so convinced that something's wrong with her stomach. And they're doing the X rays and everything else. And like, we can't really see her appendix. And it was like, you know, I think at the time she might have been five. Like, you know, you may have a appendicitis. No. We could look inside. Like, you're not about to just cut her open to look inside. But you're. You're trying to. But you're trying to explain to your kids this is why you can't just say this type of shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it plays off of all your deepest insecurities and fears as a parent, which is like, your kid has an issue that you can't see but could potentially be wrong with them, and you're not going to protect them from it.

[Chris]

They can't advocate for themselves.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly.

[Chris]

You need to advocate for them. But they also might be bullshitting.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. And then, and then, and I told her, I told her the other day, I said, you do realize every single time you don't want to do something, whether it's go to sleep, whether it's track, go to track, practice, whether it's play rehearsal, your stomach hurts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can I ask you something?

[Andrew Schultz]

Every single time.

[Chris]

Welcome to my world.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is your youngest.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, third.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's your third. Your third and your fourth have grown up in a level of wealth that your first and second did not know.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Second date. Second date. Okay, maybe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But still, it's continuing to escalate. Is there a version where you're looking at them and this could be completely false? It could be just kids doing kid shit. Right, but. Or is there a version where you ever think as a parent who came from nothing financially, obviously, but like, is there a person where you go, oh, are my kids soft because they grew up with luxury? Did they not grow up, deal with the hard knock, frustration and trials and tribulations that makes you more resilient? Like, do you start to talk to your wife about that?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I don't give a fuck. Like, so happy that they live the life of luxury.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Of course you're happy. But are you going. Are they saying this because they can get out of stuff, whereas I don't even.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what's so interesting? We're thinking about it from a money aspect. They're not thinking about that at all. I know they're just being kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What I'm saying is, are you projecting your feelings about money onto your kid?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I don't think money had nothing to do with it. I think. Cause we used to do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I'm trying to ask?

[Chris]

I think it's a generational thing. I'm very aware of what you're talking about.

[Andrew Schultz]

Break it down. Explain it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, maybe I'm not communicating.

[Chris]

I feel I'm less resilient than my father was.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly. Or here's a good example. My mom comes from nothing. Right?

[Chris]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And she busts her ass, my parents, for this dance studio. They're able to provide a life that my mom's could never even fucking imagine for herself as a kid. Right. I'm sure seeing us maybe not do as many chores, not help out around us. There was a cleaning lady that came by every week. There's a little part of her that's Going, am I enabling my kids? Am I making them not hard workers? Or am I making them think that this is a normal life? And I could feel that kind of insecurity creeping in where it didn't as much with my dad.

[Chris]

But I don't think it's just money. I think it's our society as a whole, where we've trained these kids to express what they're feeling and have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a whole other thing.

[Chris]

Feel empowered in a way that certainly my parents never were encouraged to express themselves.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And so now we gotta reward whatever you're feeling. But now you can use those feelings to manipulate me.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, listen, I get what both of y' all are saying, but we all played sick when we didn't want to do something when we were kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So that's the other thing. They're probably just doing kid shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It would look through the lens of like, have I made soft boys because I tried to provide a better life. And we're probably looking at her like, I'm gonna work my ass off. Like I'm just being a kid.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, yeah, no, no, for me it's just like. I don't want you to bullshit me because I don't want to get anything wrong. If there's something because you're worried about

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the health of your child.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm using. Yes, I'm using the. I'm talking about the boy who cried wolf. I'm like, y' all know. You know the story of the boy who cried. I'm telling the boy who. The story of the boy who cried wolf. Because I don't want y' all to be that. Because if something is actually wrong, then we gotta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We gotta actually.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. Because if you tell me that your stomach hu. And kids, I mean, you're watching your child. They're the best actors in this. I mean, God damn. I mean, if you just put a camera on them, I mean, falling on the floor, grabbing their stomach. Yo, my seven year old cheat. Yesterday she had play prac. Play rehearsal. So we dropped a 10 year old off somewhere. I'm driving back to the house in between, right? You know, in between. But then we get a call from the school saying that 7 year old is in the nurse's office. And I'm sitting there like, let me guess, her stomach hurts. I'm like, oh my God. So we go pick her up and I already know she does not want to be at play rehearsal because she didn't wanna wake up in the morning. So it was a whole day. Take so it starts with trouble sleeping. I can't. I'm having trouble sleeping at night. So she's not sleeping, but then she's waking up super groggy. She doesn't want to go to school. So now she's at school, got through school. Now she doesn't want to go to play rehearsal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But there's one thing she's avoiding.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen, we picked her up from play rehears. She laid in the. She's like this in the back seat with your hands across the chest, legs straight out. And I'm just like, yo, she is putting it on.

[Chris]

But you can't totally ignore it.

[Andrew Schultz]

No.

[Chris]

Because I had a similar situation and it turns out there was something at the root of it and it took a long time to come out.

[Andrew Schultz]

How old was they, though? How old was he then, though?

[Chris]

You're talking.

[Andrew Schultz]

See, that's what I'm saying. This is seven.

[Chris]

But in retrospect, it started at that age.

[Andrew Schultz]

Really?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, okay, now you fucking him up. Okay, now listen, let me tell you something, man. There is no greater game. Not chess, not any video game you can play that is more difficult than navigating raising kids. Yo. Woo.

[Chris]

Because now they have the language of mental health. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Through social media. Get it out movie man. That's you inside out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's your fault, Right. You did this to all of us.

[Chris]

They can talk about anxiety, which is fantastic on one hand, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Chris]

The flip side is they are kids. They can be manipulative. They do want to get. I can remember in retrospect, even as a teenager, I would get these terrible stomach cramps. I can remember going to a concert and feeling uncomfortable and I was nervous and I actually had to lay down. But, you know, I never talked about it with my parents and I was feeling anxiety. But you just kind of power through it.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's these kids talk about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, they do. But I, I'm almost like, it's not that we're telling them about mental health. Like both of my parents suffered from depression their entire lives. I was very like, aware of mental health. They saw a therapist. I didn't feel anything that, like, wrong about talking to a therapist, talking about mental health, being sad, depressed, whatever. Like, all these things were like very normal in my household.

[Chris]

You might be in the minority.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, what I would say is it wasn't societally rewarded yet. So within my household, we were very comfortable talking about it. But I still knew that there was societal scrutiny to be walking around going, I'm sad or I'm anxious or I'm. Whatever. So while I could maybe talk to my parents about it, I wasn't utilizing it as a manipulative tool to get out of work.

[Chris]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or I need a mental health day. Or like, a teacher is giving me too much homework and I go, this is. This pressure is mounting. I even heard a story from a friend that will remain nameless where, like, they had to look at mental health evaluations for the people that were going out for a sport in high school, and they had to keep a kid on a team because they thought that his mental health was so shaky that if he didn't make the team, he might do something. So they rewarded.

[Andrew Schultz]

God dang.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what, though? There's a part of me that's not mad at that. Well, go make him a punter. All he want to do is be a part of something. So if. If you feel like this guy really could end up being some lone wolf shooter, put him in a uniform, put a helmet on him, and make him feel good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So.

[Andrew Schultz]

So about himself. I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is what I asked him. And I was like, did. Did that circumstance take away the opportunity from someone else that deserved to be on the team? And they said, nah, we just opened up another spot for the crazy motherfuckers.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, because. Because the reality of the situation is they not doing that because they are afraid of this kid. And, you know, they're afraid of liability. They're afraid of this guy getting a gun and coming to shoot up the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

school or hurt themselves. I think it was hurt.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm not. I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that one. I'm not mad at that one.

[Chris]

Or should the kid have learned the lesson, hey, you're not skilled enough at this sport. Go and practice. If it's basketball, work on your left hand, work on this guy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Want to be a different type of shooter? You fuck around, you know, I'm wicked. See what I'm saying? You know, I don't have a. Oh, I know. That feels pussy for our generation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I don't feel bad about it based off all of the context you just told.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So the question is, like, how much do we change the meritocracy to control for catastrophic events? And we can sit here and be like, that's silly to do, but every time we go in the airport, we take our shoes off because we're trying to avoid a catastrophic event.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So we do change rules for catastrophic Shit, yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

And listen, I. Even when it comes to the kids, right, I don't have a problem with kids and us having these conversations about mental health because I do see where putting a young child in therapy at like 8, 9, I've seen where it can benefit them. You know what I'm saying? Having somebody to sit down and talk to and talk about what's going on at school. I understand that. Yo, somebody told me, I think, I don't know if it was my therapist or maybe it was my wife. Somebody told me something the other day or maybe it was a conversation I was having with another father about how when kids are going through things, we like to tell them, man, suck it up, yo. Like we went through way worse, blah, blah, blah, this and that. But did we not want somebody to talk to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hell yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did we, did we not want somebody to put their arm around us? Did we not? Like when we were in the guidance counselor office and the guidance counselor was just actually talking to us about our feelings. Yo, I don't care what age you are.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, you got.

[Andrew Schultz]

That matters.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think, I think it's huge. And I think just it listening. Dude. One of the best things I think my parents ever did for me is we had dinner every single night together at 5:30. It was like my mom worked nights and my dad worked days, but there was like a window for like an hour and a half where I had both of them and we had dinner together and they just asked us, they're like, how was your day? What was going on? And without having to pry, they knew a lot going on in our lives and I felt like they cared. Yeah, I felt like when I spoke it had value to people. Like the people that I cared about the most actually were interested in the things I had to say. And now not everybody has that opportunity, but like, still, it was, it was amazing.

[Andrew Schultz]

My wife just told me this shit, talking about like, you know, like, you know, my older daughter, 17. When your oldest daughter comes to talk to you about stuff, or even a 10 year old, you know, they'll come tell you about stuff that's going on at school or, you know, with their extracurricular activity. My go to is always. And that shit don't matter. Like them kids that you worried about or like those kids that you got, you're not even gonna be friends with them in the next five years. Like that shit don't matter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it does matter to them.

[Andrew Schultz]

It does matter to them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you can't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now, now, now. Am I Speaking from a 47 year old perspective who's lived enough life to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

know, like, but they don't know that.

[Andrew Schultz]

They don't know that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, gotta meet them where they are.

[Andrew Schultz]

Gotta meet them where they fucking are. And that's, and that's my, that is, that's my problem.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, but this is good you're even aware of it. Like, that's the other thing about the mental health shit is getting out of your own fucking way.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, I wasn't aware this until about two weeks ago when my wife explained this shit to me because I was like, that sound advice that you're concerned about somebody that in five years you won't even know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, bro, but you got to understand, it's like, it's like the Bible. It's like, how, how many times has God got to say, hey, treat others how you want to be treated, you know, I mean, it's like he knows, he's out there. Like, trust me, your life going to way better if you do this. You still got arguing with him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Thou shalt not know that in five years. Like, no, I know him now. I know him now, right now. And I'm like. Which is tough, right? Because if somebody would have told us. By the way, some people did tell me that when I was younger.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Imagine, think about how small our world was when we were in high school and middle school.

[Chris]

These kids are in a much bigger world and it's much scarier. They're under pressure that we. It's perceived pressure. I'm just thinking, me going through my social media the other day, World War 3, brother, all the jobs are gone. AI is gonna take all the jobs, unemployment, you know, I'm looking at it being like, damn, I went down. Now imagine a 16 year old kid seeing that day in, day out, day in, day out.

[Andrew Schultz]

Chris, you're right. You know what's so crazy about that? Yesterday I text Chris, I text Shola, like, I think he might drop the nuke. My whole algorithm on Instagram was nothing about. Was nothing but videos on how to survive nuclear warfare. And I'm sitting there thinking like, you little stupid motherfuckers have no idea what you're talking about. There is no surviving nuclear warfare. So if young kids have to deal with that and then we're trying to have a regular conversation with them about shit like this. No, if I. You're coming to me telling me, well, in a nuclear bomb, when nuclear bomb drops, all you gotta do is go in the house and stay in the house for 72 hours. Really? Yeah. That's what the fuck you think?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What house? You know the what house.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. So am I the. So I'm bad for telling you that this is not the way this shit is gonna go. Now I'm Mr. Optimistic for everything except for shit like this. But I. But I've never had to deal with this in my lifetime.

[Chris]

Well, there's an example. In the early 80s there was a TV movie called the Day After.

[Andrew Schultz]

I remember that shit.

[Chris]

And it was about a nuclear bomb hitting an American city. And it was considered so potentially damaging to the mindsets of teenagers, young people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did that take it off?

[Chris]

Well, no, the day they aired it, they had to have special assemblies for the kids to be able to talk about it and process it and discuss it. Now they're just getting that shit every 30 seconds on their feed, but there's really no way to process it. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So maybe here's the question just about like, about mental health and the net is net positive in that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kids are now feeling comfortable and even like young adults, adults hopefully feeling comfortable expressing difficult emotions that they're dealing with.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So now we all have to worry about like some manipulative people using it to their advantage. But the, the hope is that the people that might have self harmed because of what they were dealing with and an inability to communicate the world, hopefully less of them do that. So we got to deal with more annoying people. But we have also get the benefit of hopefully less people hurting themselves.

[Chris]

It's definitely a net positive.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think.

[Chris]

I wouldn't even say manipulative because there's almost a negative connotation to that. I just think things are hard for kids and the way they learn to get past it is to experience more

[Charlamagne Tha God]

talking about like people at work that they go like, I'm, yeah, I need a mental.

[Chris]

I had a kid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I need a mental health day. I'm like, what does that even mean? We all need that. Like this is. We all need that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can we all take one together and just everybody just have a day off?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's Christmas.

[Andrew Schultz]

It is December for that. There is certain things that kids have been doing since the beginning of time. Like your kid is going to pretend to be sick and you got to take it serious. Nowadays your kid, like even nowadays kids have always pretended to run away.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I did that shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

Where the fuck do we get that from?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, my parents, My parents played me, bro. I said I'm running away. They must have been stressed, man. My parents must have been really stressed because they let me walk out and I walked out the Apartment. And I went down to the lobby. I hung out in the lobby for hours. I had to walk back upstairs and knock on my own door, like, all right, I'm back. I must have been.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's how, you know kids are kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Five.

[Chris]

Five, okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's how you know kids are kids. That's how you know kids are kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Like, I couldn't have been that six. Like, yo, your parents, son. They let me walk out the apartment and I just stayed in the lobby and I had to go back up

[Andrew Schultz]

to my own apartment.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

This is bad. This was like low east side.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is a crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're on Upper West.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Oh, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're on Upper west. But it was. I was hanging out with the.

[Andrew Schultz]

The.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The door guys, and they were like, yo, what's up? And I'm like, I ran away.

[Andrew Schultz]

You was just running around by yourself at 5? For a couple of hours.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was walking around the lobby. I didn't have the balls to leave. But my parents called my bluff and I never threatened to leave again because they knew I was. I was pussy, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I wasn't about that life, you know, but, you know. But that's how, you know kids are kids. Because think about that. Running away. What do you think is out there

[Chris]

when you say it's better than the punishment, huh? That's what the kid thinks is better.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't punish my kid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I think it's attention. I think it's just. I want attention. I don't know how to say it.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I did it. I was a little older, like 12, 13, because I was getting in trouble and shit like that. I went with my uncle.

[Andrew Schultz]

You got caught, though.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I went to my uncle and he put me to work, and that shit was worse than if I would have stayed at home.

[Andrew Schultz]

His uncle put him to work and he's been painting his nails ever since.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on.

[Andrew Schultz]

He ran away. He ran away to his uncle and his uncle put him to work.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sometimes you gotta learn the less the hard way. Seven inches at a time.

[Andrew Schultz]

My God. That. Listen, I don't know what the. The morals. There's no moral of this story, is it? Being a parent is. No, no joke, joke, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No joke.

[Andrew Schultz]

No joke. You got to navigate all of these little personalities and you just hope you do a good job without fucking traumatizing them in some way, shape or form. But, man, when you get to the. I don't punish my kids the way I used to get punished. So there's no beatings or anything like that, but you gotta sometimes like, sometimes you just gotta drop to your knees and let them know, like, yo, you are hurting my feelings. Like, you hurt my feelings, yo. Like, this is hurting me right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did they say to that?

[Andrew Schultz]

Nothing. They'll look you dead in the eye and just be like. And it's almost like they know they got you broken down. My generation that hurt feelings. Whatever was a weapon would have been grabbed and used. One of my favorite threats in the house is, you would not have survived the 90s.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what you say.

[Andrew Schultz]

You would not have survived the 90s. My mom is here for the week.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that's.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I was watching. I was going through it Yesterday with my 7 year old, and I'm just looking at her like, yo, you don't want to tap in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, that's.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't want to intervene. I'm being disciplined, Mom.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's go.

[Andrew Schultz]

Remember what used to happen to me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's amazing. It's amazing how soft they get with.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

All that gone. Nobody talks about no teeth. No teeth at all. I mean, none. I used to get beat with extension cords. I could be on aisle four of a grocery store, say a bad word, and she was like, fucking Mrs. Incredible with the reach bow. Whole other aisle. What is up with that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why did he stop that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They got soft, bro. They got soft. We stopped the beatings and grandparents got soft.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did the beatings and spankings work? I think so, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Chris]

We're boys.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think so. I don't think.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't think so?

[Chris]

It worked on me.

[Andrew Schultz]

It worked on me like a motherfucker.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I never got beat, though. I think I maybe got spanked, but I never got beat.

[Andrew Schultz]

I got beat. There's a difference between a spanking and a beating. Yeah. First of all, it's actually sick that we say spanking, we gonna spank the kids, but then you want to spank some ass in the bedroom, too. That's just weird, yo, that. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is a. It's like, do girls that like that where they bag kids?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I don't know if there's a correlation to those things. I don't know. Like, imagine a girl who's like, yo, slap that ass.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, oh, you a naughty little. Can you imagine? That's wild. First of all, we got to think about some of this shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're in the bedroom, you spanking ass, and she's calling you daddy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm Saying, like, is it some weird, like, yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Childhood issues? That's some six sick, yo. And.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And now that we're, like, good and, like, supportive and open communicators with our children.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man, will they never do that stuff?

[Andrew Schultz]

It's sick. That's why you got to tell, you know, you got to talk to these girls the way stepdaddies talk to their step kids.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Help me understand.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm not your daddy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not your daddy.

[Andrew Schultz]

You say I'm not when they get called daddy. I'm not your fucking daddy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, you try that.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't say try that shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But a girl from Venezuela is like, thank you for my freedom, papi. Thank you for my freedom. Thank you all, papi. Thank you for my fro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, man, we'll figure it out. What else? Oh, I went to the Final Four this weekend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You were there?

[Andrew Schultz]

I went to the Final Four. The women's Final Four, man. Listen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, ain't nobody care about.

[Andrew Schultz]

Damn. You out your goddamn mind. I keep telling y' all over and over, there is nothing better than women's basketball. Yeah, it's over now. UCLA beat South Carolina in the national championship game.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, really?

[Andrew Schultz]

But my favorite sports are women's basketball, women's college basketball, then boxing, then football, and then women's professional basketball. All right? Those are my favorite sports. Those are the things that absolutely bring me the most joy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, bro?

[Andrew Schultz]

Those sports. And so I went to the Final Four, and I feel. I feel so crazy that I never went to a Final Four. South Carolina has been the six Final fours in a row. Three national championship games in a row, and this is my first time going to one. Who won?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who won?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

And you was bad luck?

[Andrew Schultz]

UCLA. No, we beat UConn. UConn was undefeated. UConn was on a 54 game win streak.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

They lost the final.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I was at the game Friday, too, and we won. So we won Friday. Lost to UConn. It was on a 54 game win streak. That's when Don Staley and Geno got into it. And Don Staley told geno, I will beat your ass. Okay? Cause Gino was acting like a little hoe. Oh, don't take Geno. Don could take Geno, bro. Straight up, head to head, fist fight. Don Staley from North Philly. Well, how old is Geno, Chris?

[Chris]

He's gotta be in his 60s.

[Andrew Schultz]

Late, no, early 70s, but from Norristown.

[Chris]

Also from Philly.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's on the outskirts. That ain't North. That ain't North Philly. Rough. Ah, Gino. Was acting like a little ho, though. I never seen Gino act like this. You got your ass beat. You lost. And then you come to dawn at the end of the game when the. To say, you didn't shake my hand in the beginning. Which she did. Which he was. He got a little senile. We're starting to see these old people in leadership positions that have been there too long really getting senile. Yo. He accused South Carolina's players of ripping Sarah Strong's jersey. She ripped her own jersey. He accused Dawn Staley of not shaking his hand. She shook his hand. And then he accused the players of playing too rough and of Don Staley ranting and raving the referees. What coach doesn't rant to referees?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that's kind of your job.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's your fucking job.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gotta lobby the refs, bro. You gotta do it only to come

[Andrew Schultz]

back and apologize twice. He's done two apologies.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good for him for apologizing at least.

[Andrew Schultz]

You.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You fuck up, you should apologize. Like, clearly, he fucked up here because they got on video. That's the thing with the coaches, bro. And even the players. Stop acting like you didn't do shit. We have 70 different cameras in 4K filming the entire.

[Andrew Schultz]

At all times and.

[Chris]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not 70. That's just what. What the game has.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You've got 80,000.

[Andrew Schultz]

80,000 people hitting it from every motherfucking angle. I beat come from the professional age. That came from the stands. The stands caught Don saying, I'll beat your ass.

[Chris]

And they got lip readers now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God. That was crazy, cuz. We was all trying to figure out

[Charlamagne Tha God]

what the happened definitely in the. In the women's basketball. They got the lip readers. They got the best lip readers.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, women's basketball is the best, bro. I'm telling you. You didn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You didn't see that. I can't get it out. I couldn't get it out. I was going to call it a final four leg lock.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean. Shut up. No, they're embracing it, though. They got a whole crew. You know, WNBA got a crew called the Stud Buds. I love this. It is this.

[Chris]

They killed it at the All Star Week.

[Andrew Schultz]

They love. Yo, they love. They love them. They love these girls. There's three of them called the Stud Buds.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is. This to me, is fire. Lean into this shit. Stop pretending. You know what I mean? You don't gotta put lipstick on the studs. Let them be studs and let that. No, I mean that. Like, let them be studs and Let the Internet embrace it and love it. And like, let's not pretend it's not what it is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's the Minnesota Links players Courtney Williams and Natisha Heidman.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fire. Right? Yeah, let's go.

[Andrew Schultz]

And they, they, they, they started popping on Twitch and Instagram. They're literally called the Stud Buds. People look at, look at the merch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Denise, Rob, look at the merch.

[Andrew Schultz]

Play on my period.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wait a minute.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo. Yeah, be who you are. Why the fuck wouldn't you be who you are?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, studs got people periods, bro. I shut the. I didn't know that. I'll be honest. I didn't know that. I didn't know they got period.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's three of them, though. It's not just two of them. I thought, oh, no, that is them. It is them. It is them. It is them. Why, what is he, by the way?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought they got a, a chip or something. Like, you know how some girls can not get their period for a while cuz they get birth control. But I guess if you're a lesbian, there's no need for birth control.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen, I'm at the game and I'm, I'm familiar with both of them, but I didn't know that they had branded this whole thing called the Stud Buds. So my guy, Bakar Bakari goes, yo, look, yo, it's the Stud Buds. I said, yo, don't be disrespectful. I'm like, yo, we had these women's game. You don't need to do all of that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he's like, no, that's their name. It's to him right there. And I'm like, the Stud Buds. And I'm thinking, he's fucking with me. So I look it up, yo, it's people in the stand like, yo, trying to get their attention. They fuck with them heavy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I need that shirt.

[Andrew Schultz]

You see what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I play on my period.

[Andrew Schultz]

I play on my period. Support women's sports, yo, you should be

[Charlamagne Tha God]

able to gamble on that.

[Andrew Schultz]

What do you mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, if, you know, if it's. You don't think they're gonna be more angry and aggressive? Like, I'm putting money down on the team. That's dripping, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think Polymarket got that one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, they need it. They need it.

[Andrew Schultz]

They need it. Yo, on Polymarket, did they ever bet what color the dildo was looking for?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Couchy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, it's two of them. It's Polymarket and couch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but we rocking with cowshi, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Do they ever bet? Remember when the dildos were hitting the floor at the women's game? Were there bets about that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, they were.

[Andrew Schultz]

Really? Yeah. What was the bet? Like, what color it was? Or is one gonna get thrown tonight?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's gonna strap it on first?

[Andrew Schultz]

Wow. Wow.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

And there was one dude that did the bet, then went to the game through it and made some money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Winner, winner, chicken.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, shit. Right there. Right there. Dildo market.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, dildo.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's what it says. Nah, but for. I'm telling you, the Final Four. I've never been to one. That shit was so fun, yo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good energy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God. And see, you gotta think. See, you're a Knick fan. Yeah. And you live in New York. So you got Knicks, you got Yankees, you got the Mets.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We have professional sports.

[Andrew Schultz]

Y' all got professional sports. We don't really care about Amate from South Carolina.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You guys got amateurs.

[Andrew Schultz]

We don't have any professional sports team. Right. I'm South Carolina. North Carolina got the Panthers and the Hornets and all of that. We don't have. Well, now it's the. What's the Hornets? Charlotte team now. Charlotte Hornets.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They were.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's New Orleans Hornets. Charlotte Bobcats. Are they back to the Hornets?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They back to the Hornets.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, yeah. New Orleans went to the Pelicans game, so. Right. So I'm a Cowboy fan. I didn't grow up rooting for anybody. Don Staley, she.

[Chris]

She.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God. To have to be at a championship game rooting for your team from your home state.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What does she make?

[Andrew Schultz]

She's the highest paid woman's coach. Like, I think she makes, like, 25 million a year. No, no, no, no. For like, three years or something like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just saying, like, her program probably.

[Andrew Schultz]

They can't pay her enough.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's what I'm.

[Andrew Schultz]

They can't pay her enough.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think her program is generating an obscene amount of.

[Andrew Schultz]

They cannot pay her. Now, I will say this. There's not the money it should be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why?

[Andrew Schultz]

Just because, like, nil deals and stuff like that. They're making money, but it could be a lot more, is what I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

For what she has done for that program and how popular that program is, the South Carolina Lady Gamecocks. They should be rolling in. Rolling in revenue.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It seems like that. Because. Remember when LeBron was on the Cavs and they estimated that he generates a billion dollars for the city? And, like, yeah, there's a salary cap, so you can't pay them over a certain thing. Like, what is the. What do they estimate that Don Staley's effect is on the local economy? Is insane.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Because they've had the highest attendance of. In college sports. Well, at least women's basketball for, like, the last five years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've been talking about just the college game. I'm talking about all the restaurants around the bars that are full after the game, the people watching that aren't able to get tickets to the game. Like, what happens to the local economy because of the team that she built. And what I would say is college sports is so specifically different in that it's not really about the players because the players transition out. So the coach is the person that is curating that economic development in the city. You could pay her, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'll say this, though. It's still not the same excitement as football, only because two different things. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just saying, like, it would probably be justified for her to be making triple what she.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think so. I mean, you got people who actually come to games because of dawn. Still, you know how, like, when Deion Sanders was at Jackson State and at Colorado, like, people pull up to the game.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I bet the hotels are packed. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, Wanda Sykes comes, you know, plies, pulls out. Like, people come to the games. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But if I'm her agent, you can't pay Don enough. That's the combo I'm having. Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don got a statue already, but she deserves it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How many championships?

[Andrew Schultz]

Three.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Three. And literally three. We've gone to three national championships in a row, but she's won three.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She had a golden opportunity for gender equality. Man, if she knocked out Gene, let me tell you.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, Jean would have got. He would have got jumped that night. It was. South Carolina was too deep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Stud buds, by the way.

[Andrew Schultz]

We wouldn't even have had to leave. Listen, none of us would have had to leave our seats. Her coaching staff with a song on Gino, like, no, no. Her coach's staff with a song on Geno. Like, Khadijah and Jolette, like, yo, there's one video, if you watch it, Salute to Khadija. Khadijah is out there. Khadijah got her hands behind her back, like, yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. That is the symbolic. That is the universal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's about to go.

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ooh, tell me.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, I was looking at the Pooh Shiesty, Gucci man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, can you break down this story? Because this.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't really know the story. I just know that from what I was told, Gucci man, Pooh Shiesty wanted out of his contract and he allegedly kidnapped and robbed Gucci Mane and forced him to, you know, sign away his release papers, I guess.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So. Let me ask you this question.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is a very interesting stalemate therein. Because if Gucci allows the law and cooperates with the law to get the civilian justice that he deserves, if this allegedly did happen, wouldn't he be risking his own personal reputation? Who is. Let's game theory. Let's game theory.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm with you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Game theory. Right. So. So in order to monetize Pooh's career, which he has him signed and he can make a lot of money, he would have to take on a huge brand risk because he's cooperating with the law and he's built his identity partially around being somebody who's from the streets and would never cooperate and probably has done some, you know, nefarious things in his life to gain the reputation that he has. So in a way, Pooh puts him in a little bit of a pickle. Right. It's like, I'm going to go do this. If you cooperate. Yeah. You can make money off me in the future. But you might lose some respect in the streets if you don't cooperate.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm free. Yeah. You know, but the thing is, I don't know. I've heard that theory, but I've also heard so many other theories. I heard that there's a video. Yeah, there's a video. Right. Because wasn't. Wasn't the FBI director, Wasn't he breaking down what he saw on a video? The charging document outlines some of the evidence, just some, establishing the defendant's roles in the federal offense. This is as follows. Electronic monitoring data placing Williams Jr. At the offense location, which would put him in violation of his home detention conditions. Cell phone records and license plate reader data corroborating the coordinated travel of multiple defendants from Memphis, Tennessee to Dallas. Rental car records confirming Williams senior rented a vehicle that was used by the group. Surveillance footage from the offense location, a nearby office supply store and a hotel where several the defendants stayed following the offense. Fingerprint evidence as well that was recovered from the crime scene matching at least two of the defendants. Social media posts by defendants displaying what appears to be stolen property just in the days following the offense. Greyhound bus records confirming the travel of multiple defendants from Dallas to Memphis the day after the offense in this case. Came to Dallas to conduct legitimate business, and they were met with firearms and violence as alleged in the charging document.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So if there's video now, now Gucci can be like, I don't want to be involved in this.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't see why you have to testify if there's video.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, right now you get. Now he gets the best of both worlds, which is, I'm not testifying, I'm not pressing any charges, but if there's video, the state has to press charges.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Was he had an ankle.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ankle monitor on.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

And so he's already violated his.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then the other story I heard was that Gucci's security guard was an off duty police officer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh.

[Andrew Schultz]

And so whether you knew it or not, you upped. You upped the firearm on an off duty police officer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's the rules with hiring cops?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't give a fuck.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know you don't.

[Andrew Schultz]

I got one out there right now. Yeah, I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love it when you're here.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't care about that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But like, but like, what the. What would the street code be about?

[Andrew Schultz]

All right, man, listen, I'm with you on everything that you're saying, but I think at some point. Fuck the street code. Listen, you know me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not in the street so I'm

[Andrew Schultz]

always like, these guys are businessmen, man. And, like, if, like, here's the thing, and this is all alleged, I don't know if Pooh Shiesty did any of this. Right. I'm just going off the stories I heard. I know that Pooh Shiesty wouldn't do that to a white man. Well, whenever you hear these stories.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, let me ask you.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's literally always the black executives getting put in this position by black arts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, let me ask you this.

[Andrew Schultz]

You'll never hear name or why.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What about back in the day? Hold on, hold on.

[Andrew Schultz]

Knight.

[Chris]

And who's the guy who did that?

[Andrew Schultz]

Nilla Ice was an artist. I ain't talking about him. Talking about the executive. Well, ain't no artist running down on the white executive.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, the question I have is, because we can't look at it. It's only happening to other black people. But is there security in that? Knowing that he's not gonna snitch or he's not gonna involve the authorities. Right. Because they have the same street code. Whereas, like, would. Would Pooh do it to.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't even think if this is true. I don't even think Pooh was thinking like that. I think Pooh was just literally a person whose mentality is still that of the street. The street. So this is how I know how to handle situations.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But Pooh would never do it to you because he knows that you're not going to abide by the street code. So regardless.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't believe that. I don't believe you would. No, I don't believe that at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought you were positing the theory that it's black artists do it to black executives. They wouldn't do it to white executives.

[Andrew Schultz]

I've never seen them do it to a white executive. Well, white executives out here with the same contracts, who do you think the black executives learning it from?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And by the way, I don't even know if his contract was bad. I'm just saying that there are standard recording contracts. You ain't never. I've heard stories of people running down on Andre Harrell. I've heard stories of people running, of course, on Diddy. I've heard stories of people running down on Eazy E. But you ain't never heard stories.

[Chris]

Clive Davis got ran down on by.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're not going to keep it street is my point.

[Andrew Schultz]

I want to know.

[Chris]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

We BLEEP it. Who?

[Chris]

Lisa Left Eye Lopez.

[Andrew Schultz]

Apparently she claims Lisa ran down a class.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's not. See what I'm saying? I'm not saying that. That's not with a crew. Oh, she had guys with her. Oh, I never heard that story. Okay, well, shout out to Lisa. She the realest out of all these motherfuckers. The record company, Clive Davis, we held

[Charlamagne Tha God]

them hostage like guns, the whole shebang.

[Andrew Schultz]

So of course Lisa was the ringleader. So we went up there and held everybody hostage. And Puffy was the one that snitched us out. Yo, B. Yo, your girl's up here. Mad bugging, yo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I was like, oh, Puff, how you gonna snitch us out, dog?

[Andrew Schultz]

But he called.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Cause we kicked him out of the meeting.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No one ever ran down on like Leo Cohen.

[Andrew Schultz]

I've never heard these stories.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, why would you if you know that they're gonna involve the law immediately? That's what I'm saying. Like if you're not running down on somebody who you know is gonna snitch because you're going to jail, you could run down on a street dude. Because there's the chance that he's gonna operate with the street code.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No, but to Charlo's point, they've done that to like Steve Stout. And you know, he's not a street dude. He's gonna go to the law. And they've still done it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, Steve. I mean, Steve got busted. Did he? Busted Steve upside the head with a bottle. You know what I'm saying? Cause he wanted out of the hate Me now video. My thing is this. This is the most important thing that you can buy when you get into business or what? You can invest your money in a lawyer, get you a good entertainment lawyer, number one, so you don't sign a bad contract. And number two, when situations like this do arise, then you have your lawyer get you out of said situation or help you get out of said situation. Never in the history of life for anybody of any color will this work out. If you run down on somebody and say, I'm going to rob them and kidnap them and make them under duress, let me out of my deal. That is not going to end well for you, buddy. I don't give a fuck. You're right, it's not going to end well. This is just a case of somebody who just didn't understand business. And the reason I know that Gucci understood business, cuz Gucci didn't go down no street. Shit. Gucci thought that clearly they were having a meeting about some business. And then the other side allegedly decided to Turn that into some other shit. I wouldn't be mad if Gucci went and told. But I'm, you know. But I just think it's stupid to still abide by those rules.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I agree.

[Andrew Schultz]

When you're not, you're so far removed.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you're a law abiding citizen, protect you. If you're not a law abiding citizen, you can't use the rules because you can't be protected from the things you're doing which are breaking the law.

[Andrew Schultz]

They still want Gucci. They want. This is when you know, people just want to see crash outs. They want to hear a story about Gucci allegedly almost getting robbed and then pulling out a chopping, spraying down everybody. Yep. That's what would make everybody believe the allure. The story of the Boogeyman Gucci.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hasn't he proved himself like.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. And he's also proved that he wants to evolve. Go read his last book episodes. This man has evolved on purpose. This man has grown and evolved intentionally.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No, that's the clone. That's the clone. That's not him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Even that pisses me off. Whenever a person decides to grow and evolve, now they're a clone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's Ross saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

What did Ross say? My dm. Was that what you think? How you feel about the Gulwar Pooh Shiesty situation? I don't like it for either side. You know what I'm talking about. Guat most definitely didn't deserve that. And I don't want to see this for the little homie Pooh Shiesty. But this one got to be educated and understand in business, you gotta negotiate. My. You gotta negotiate. If you assign 400k and now you got 10m's on the on the table, it's time to negotiate. This how we do this. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Everybody win. Let's go. That's how I gotta go. My. You can't muscle your way out of no in no business. It don't go that way. And I ain't just talking about on the people side, but on the, on the other side, the blitz gonna come.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't run that simple. When you have leverage. When you have leverage, like I guess Pooh does have, you renegotiate your contract.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, we see basketball or NFL players do this all the time, right? They're like, hey, if you want to extend me past my rookie contract, like let's do this right. Actually, I don't know if they do it around the rookie deal, but like There are contract negotiations when you have unbelievable leverage because you don't want to, you know, miss out on that opportunity as the owner of a team.

[Andrew Schultz]

Either renegotiate or just fulfill your contract and go on about your.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How many more albums does he have to do? It might be like a lifetime worth albums.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, if it's, if it's a, I mean, damn, if it's a lifetime, that's a ridiculous deal to sign.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, we know that these deals are incredibly parasitic. Like these, these music deals are like, yeah, unbelievable.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I understand why and I'll tell you what I mean by that. If I'm taking you from nothing and I'm investing in you and I don't know, who knows how much Gucci Mane invested in Pooh Shiesty initially. You don't know if you're ever, and I'm just going to throw a number out there, let's just say the investment is 500. 500,000 to a million dollars. I don't know if I'm going to make this money back. So I have to create a contract that at least allows me to get this 1 million back. But like Ross said, if this guy does end up taking off or this girl does end up taking off and you make your initial investment back, the right thing to do is renegotiate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So if, if I was to make your argument, if I was to take your argument, what I would say is these record labels, they invest that 500k in 20 different artists, 19 of them, they don't recoup. So that one that does hit, they really need to recoup 10 million from that one before they can renegotiate in their head as a business, Right? Because they're like, I already lost 9,500,000 on these other 19 artists. I'm finally going to get a chance to recoup right here. And that's probably why the contracts are so predatory. That being said, if you're the artist and you're in this contract where you're making peanuts but you know how much you're generating, it's very difficult, it's very difficult for them to sit in that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, absolutely. But I believe if you're a good executive, yes, you have a contract that protects you, but if that person hits,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the smart thing to do is renegotiate.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you avoid shit like this. When I say shit like this, I don't mean fucking getting robbed and kidnapped. I'm just talking about artists hating you. I don't want nobody to hate me for Bad business. Because also, man, yo, if you've already made your money and then some.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's make money together.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's make money together. Yes. That's why sometimes I be hearing these stories about, like, guys, when they sign certain artists, it's like, yo, for me, if I sign a certain artist, yo, why not just start a label together?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So that's why.

[Andrew Schultz]

And both of y', all. Especially if both y' all are just starting out, like, if you're a new guy, new executive, new manager, and you got this hot new artist, and y' all decide to come together and do business, start a label with this person instead of. Instead of you starting the label and signing them as an artist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what they do is they. They basically say, yeah, let's start a label. And then they go, you can give predatory contracts out to all your artists, too. So, yeah, I'm taking advantage of you, but you could take advantage of them. And then when you don't fulfill your contract, the way that these contracts allegedly work is that all of their talent rolls up to you because they haven't fulfilled their contract. And the only reason I know this is because some dude tried to pitch me doing this comedians. And I was like, I would never do this to comedians. No, because, yeah, I would. This is too. I would love to help comedians. I love to put them on. I love to find vehicles where they could find success and build their own careers. But I do not want some predatory contract where, like, these people are all signed and then, like, essentially owned by you in perpetuity.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's why I know for a fact I. I'm too fair.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But don't you sleep better?

[Chris]

It's better.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's better. Listen, I'm with you. But also, I'm a. I'm a talent, so I understand what talent needs. You know what I mean? But I'm telling you that there's other executives that tell me I'm too fair.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause then you see the predatory shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean? And I'm not even gonna say yes. Is some of it predatory? Absolutely. But some of it is literally just. I'm going to make sure we're in the best possible outcome for us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sure.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean? But the best negotiation is when both parties feel like tops and bottoms. When you getting a little bit of some. Yeah, when you walk. That's the. That's the best type of negotiation when both parties feel like that was a tough one. You know what I mean? Or like, for real.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or both parties feel like they won like, the best contract.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is the other side is like, yeah, we got one over on them.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you're also like, man, that was advantageous to us. So now everybody's stoked.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's just rare.

[Andrew Schultz]

I just know that this isn't the way y'. All.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And by the way, this is another lesson to kids. Kids don't really like to fulfill their obligations anymore. Like, they really don't. This generation does not. Like, they're not about it's obligation. Like, they don't. They believe that shit don't mean nothing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

This has always happened. It's not some new shit now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. And it happens when people are kids. But it's even worse now because I don't even know what Pooh Shiesty's deal was.

[Chris]

Well. But did you see who was arrested with him to bring it back to parenting?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God. Did that. That was. That was insane. Yeah. I didn't understand that logic at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was. His dad went with him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I'm sure, like, in his head, he's like, I'm protecting my kid. It sucks. But in maybe in his head, he's like, this is what I got to do. I got to protect my kid.

[Andrew Schultz]

They said he called up, like, eight people from Memphis. His dad. It was another artist. Big 30. He called everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But a lawyer should have called that lawyer.

[Andrew Schultz]

All the money that you spent getting all of those people to wherever y' all was at to do this to Gucci Mane, you could have just hired a good entertainment lawyer, bro. And furthermore, before you even hired a lawyer, did y' all even try having a conversation with Gucci? And the conversation can't be, you gonna let me out this contract or else? Yeah, the conversation has to be what Ross said. Nago, she a Sean.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's it.

[Andrew Schultz]

How do you negotiate? This shit is just sad, man. I'm just tired of watching people, you know, who have great opportunities to just excel in life, crash the fuck out. And I don't know if they're crashing out simply because they're just ridiculous, terrible humans or they truly think this is the only way they know how to do something. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yep.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, it's almost like he didn't know he had other options. Because when I see stories like this, I'm like, well, what was plan B? You know what I'm saying? Was this plan A, what was the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

crazy shit that you went, nah, we can't do this.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. This couldn't have been plan A was it was this plan A? This couldn't have been plan A. So what was the other plans? And did every single plan involve somebody potentially getting hurt, including yourself?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe.

[Andrew Schultz]

Whoa. You need better people in the room, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell me what the latest is with Offset, man. I heard he got shot.

[Andrew Schultz]

I heard this shit too. I heard he got shot in front of a casino. I don't know what. And then somehow Lil TJ is involved. I don't know what the fuck is going on. I have no idea. Tj, what's up? What about the fight at the casino?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fight who?

[Andrew Schultz]

Rapper Lil TJ bonded out of jail Tuesday. He's charged with disorderly conduct, accused of instigating a fight outside of the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino Monday night against another group of guys. Seminole police officers say the incident happened just after 7pm by the valet area. TMZ got these pictures of rapper Offset getting into an ambulance after he was shot. Before that, according to tmz, he was spotted taking a picture with a fan. According to the affidavit, authorities say Lil TJ directed members of his party to start a fight. It goes on to say one of the males associated with the defendant pulled up firearm and discharged it, wounding one of the individuals. Act offside. Lil TJ has his own version of what went down outside the hotel and casino. Offset looking at me like this. Yo, that N shot me. That N shot me. To be clear, he has not been charged with the shooting. La La. Seminole police officers say the second person who was detained has not been charged, nor have they released any information on that person. We know officers are looking at trying to identify at least one or more people who may have been involved in Monday's incident. Offset was a member of Migos, but the rap trio disbanded after his cousin Takeoff was shot and killed in 2022. Offset was also married to Cardi B. They have three children together. He was taken to Memorial Regional Hospital. We're told he's expected to be okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Another one where it's just like, guys, come on. This is going to be way more expensive than you think.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's going to be way more expensive than whatever the person owed you way more. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. Now, listen, I don't know if Offset got money, got shot because he owed a debt. I don't know what the situation was, but if that is what the story is, whoever shot him, whatever Offset owed you, you're going to pay 10 times that trying to beat this case. Yo, the casino might sue him. You shot somebody on the ground of the Hard Rock Casino in Orlando, Florida. They may sue you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Fort Lauderdale at that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Fort Lauderdale. They might sue you. Because I'm sure you slowed business down for them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm sure they had to shut everything down and probably lock everything down while all of this was happening.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely. They probably millions on just gambling right there.

[Andrew Schultz]

You see what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like.

[Chris]

Like future earnings.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm not future earnings. Yes. And. And, man, listen. They said they arrested Lil tj. Why did they arrest Lil tj? In connection with a fight before the incident, but have since released him on bond. Listen, I. I don't know, man. All this shit do is make me realize I don't even want to see rappers unless they on Breakfast Club, okay? That's if I'm looking around. If I'm someplace and there's one too many rappers around, I'm probably in the wrong place.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You out of there.

[Andrew Schultz]

Depending who the rappers are, though, you want mature rappers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You want rappers in their 40s.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. I'm an adult rapper. I'm an adult radio personality. I want to be around adult contemporary hip hop artists.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I get it, okay? I get it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right? That's what the fuck I want to be around. I don't want to be around none of this shit like this. I was in the casino this weekend in Phoenix. Ain't none of this shit happened. But you know what? Wasn't no rappers around,

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

man.

[Chris]

You said it, stud bugs, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

It wasn't no rappers around. What? This was a bad weekend for rappers, Alex.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This was a bad weekend.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's a bad weekend for rappers, all right. It just sucks, you know? It's just a bad weekend for rappers. But by the way, it's the younger rappers. Let's keep that in mind, too. Yeah. All right. It ain't. It ain't the older rappers selling out stadiums.

[Chris]

He's not so young.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, he's the victim here, Chris.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a good point. He's the victim.

[Andrew Schultz]

He got shot, okay? Like, he. Offset, is the victim in this situation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell me about the Yay concert. You were there.

[Andrew Schultz]

I wasn't at no Yay concert. I am not interested in going to a Kanye west concert. This Kanye situation is interesting, though. Tell me, because I didn't know he was back with Live Nation. Oh, am I making this up? Somebody told me that this weekend that Kanye west is back with Live Nation. Is that true?

[Chris]

I find that hard to believe.

[Andrew Schultz]

I thought so, too, but they. Somebody told me that this weekend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I said, is it possible that he still owes them money on a touring contract?

[Andrew Schultz]

I would think so, because his last situation, he, he, he, he, he. Remember he left him on the hook for $100 million. Remember, remember Jay Z got him back in the groove and he was, I think Roc Nation and Live Nation fronted him 100 million for a tour and he never finished that tour.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So there's a version if he didn't pay that money back. They're like, nah, we need a recoup still, buddy. We need a recoup.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's interesting that Wireless festival dropped him. It's interesting that all the sponsors dropped him because all of the sponsors had to know who was headlining. They don't do that. Like, that's not the way these festivals work. These festivals let the sponsors know who's headlining and then the sponsors come on board.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Even an established festival that like, you already know that you have to book out the venues way ahead.

[Andrew Schultz]

I would think so.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think so.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Things like Coachella, some of the acts get booked like really close to the date.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I think that's possible. The sponsors though.

[Andrew Schultz]

But the sponsors are always on deck. Unless, unless this is a multi year sponsorship where Pepsi was already signed up to sponsor wireless for five years. It could be if, if every, if every year they're bringing in new sponsors, which is usually the case. Even if it's the same person, they're still trying to get new sponsors. They usually let the sponsors know. And the sponsors themselves, the brand safety people for the sponsors don't just say, yeah, we're going to sponsor you and you book whoever. That's not how that shit works.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think, I think it is how it works.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No, I think some of these shows get so big where it's just like, all right, I'm sponsoring this show because I know how big this show is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, go Coachella.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Like some of these shows are just so big, you know there's going to be big acts.

[Andrew Schultz]

Google, did Pepsi know Kanye was the headline? They had to know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's no way then why pull out?

[Andrew Schultz]

Bad press, but backlash, Maybe they would

[Charlamagne Tha God]

already know that that's going to happen.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

They would have did it beforehand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just you could chat cbc.

[Andrew Schultz]

But maybe they didn't. But maybe they didn't know. Here's the reason why. If you just watch Kanye sell out these two spots in Los Angeles, right? And you see all of these people coming to watch Kanye west, if you're Pepsi, you're like, yo, let's see, maybe he's back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know, maybe it won't be

[Andrew Schultz]

no issue, you know, let's see. Pepsi pulled their sponsorship over London Music Festival after the festival revealed Kanye West's headline that Pepsi withdrew his sponsorship at Wireless Festival. Following the announcement that diagnosed rapper Kanye West, 48, will headline the event, Pepsi has decided to withdraw his sponsorship at Wireless Festival. The brand was the headline partner of the festival, which will take place from July 10 to July 12 in London, with West headlining all three nights. Other sponsors. Other sponsors, including PayPal and drink brand Diageo have also pulled out of sponsoring the event following the announcement. Representation for Diageo cannot be immediately reached for comment. The sponsorship poll came after Prime Minister Keith Stammer publicly criticized the headlining. So that's what happened. Oh, that's what happened. It is deeply concerning. Kanye west has been booked to perform at Wireless despite his previous anti Semitic remarks. Celebration of Nazism. And that's what happened. That's what happened. Prime minister said something. The prime minister said something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you know, I think the UK blocked him from even coming to the country.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. After the fact. Yep.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wow.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, is it? What's crazy?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

He's not convicted of any crime. He's just.

[Andrew Schultz]

Man. Cause y' all shut the fuck up.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No, but I'm just saying, like, I'm

[Andrew Schultz]

so sick of y' all not convicted of crime people. What you mean? Well, it's not about being convicted of crime, Andrew. If somebody came in here and took a. Listen, if somebody came in this studio and took a shit on the flagrant studios and then grabbed the shit and started throwing it at all your staff and throwing it at Alex and everybody else, would you ever let that motherfucker back in here?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

But that's assault.

[Andrew Schultz]

Huh?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

That's assault.

[Andrew Schultz]

It don't matter. The person did something to offend you. All right? Fuck this shit in the throwing in. If somebody came in here right now and said, fuck you, Andrew. Suck my dick, you pussy. I don't fuck with you. You a piece of shit. Blah, blah, blah, this and that, whatever, whatever. Get the fuck out my studio. Yeah, which you own. Wtf? If somebody came in there, you and fuck you, Alex, you piece of shit. Fuck you and your trash ass studio. You ain't shit. Then got on social media and disparaged wtf. Fuck wtf. They ain't shit. They PE pieces of shit over there. Don't nobody go over there and support them. Would you ever let that person back in your studio?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No, I wouldn't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, then. So what are we talking about?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Another Another thing, Al, the way that you could frame it is like, how many British people lost their family members fighting against Nazis. Like, so if. If you're welcoming and headlining a festival in a country where hundreds of thousands of people were murdered, you know, women and children bombed, like, you know, dads, brothers, uncles, grandfathers killed at war, and now all of a sudden this guy is head. Like I would imagine Britain might have a little bit. Now, we fought the Nazis too, but they weren't fucking. What is it called? What is that bomb shit that they were doing in Britain?

[Andrew Schultz]

They had blitzkrieg.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The blitzkrieg happening.

[Andrew Schultz]

They had denazification, right?

[Chris]

But. But there's also the strange history of British rock stars in the aftermath of that, in the 70s and the 80s.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So the punk movement, they were kind of embracing Nazi attack tire as a rebellious act. David Bowie also got the Prince, whatever his face Harry dressed up as a Nazi SS or an SS soldier in the Halloween. So it is a. It is a slippery slope. It's like the Prince could dress up as a Nazi for a Halloween party. But when Kanye is spouting the Nazi propaganda and saying he loves Hitler and he's doing all this anti Semitic, he can't perform at the Wireless Festival.

[Andrew Schultz]

No.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

And he did apologize. Not. Not trying to make the case for him because I don't fuck with him. But I'm just saying he did apologize. He tried to write the wrong that he did.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen, I don't. Here's the thing. Whenever you offend somebody, I tell people this all the time. This is why free speech is not free. There is a price.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He sold swastika shirts.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. There is a price to every word that comes out of your mouth. So if he says something that makes people not want to fuck with him, and they got the power to be like, nah, we don't want you here. Nah, we don't want you there. That's on them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right. I was shocked that he was able to get Sofi Stadium to agree. Like, I'm so curious what that's about.

[Chris]

Money talk.

[Andrew Schultz]

Money talk. Yeah. Listen, I saw black shit sold out too. I saw black people saying. I saw black people saying, why are black people being so forgiving of Kanye wearing the White Lives Matter shirt? You know, talking down on George Floyd, the next in Black Lives Matter. I mean, listen, black people are some black. I'm not gonna say all black people. Some black people are forgiving people. And people just love Kanye West. And by the way, it wasn't like it was just black people at the sofi Stadium. But when I saw that question, I thought that was a good question that might need to be answered by somebody. Cause he hasn't made no apologies to black people.

[Chris]

Don't you think there's a sense now that whatever he says is just for shock value and there's not a lot of deep sentiment under it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's a provocateur.

[Chris]

It's almost got, like a Trumpian kind of vibe to it, where he's just gonna say whatever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

So, Chris, you don't accept that from Trump. Exactly.

[Chris]

Because the stakes are higher with Trump. Kanye doesn't affect me. I don't give a shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's not true. The ADL said that his rhetoric increased anti Semitism by a huge number. I don't know if that's true or not.

[Chris]

That's, like, out the window now. That's so far down on the list of concerns. Like, I mean, I think it's very interesting. If you had told me five years ago a major artist could release a song called Heil Hitler and that wasn't the end of their career, I would have said, no way. But here we are.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen, all I'm simply saying is this. Everybody deserves grace. Right? But I'm also not in the business of telling people that were offended what they should and shouldn't be doing. Cause I know if you offend me, it's fuck you forever. There's certain people. There's certain people out there right now that have done things to me that I know. I'm never fucking with this individual ever again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yep.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ever.

[Chris]

So you make a distinction for an artist. Cause I think that's the key kind of point of this. Right? Like, we all have. We all have certain artists that we appreciate their art, but we don't agree with them as people. And are you able to make a distinction?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is Heil Hitler art?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think. Anyway.

[Chris]

No, it's not.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I think. Can you enjoy the music before he went?

[Andrew Schultz]

Not if it said Hail Hitler.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no. He said it up before. Of course, we all love yeah, yeah, yeah. We all love those.

[Chris]

But Bowie did go through a Nazi stage. Like, that's real.

[Andrew Schultz]

Y' all are missing the point, though. If I own these venues, if I'm the prime minister of a country, and I don't want you here because you have offended me and my people. You ain't coming here.

[Chris]

Yeah, but I'm cool with that, too.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's my point. There's nothing.

[Chris]

But I think he should still be able to say it and then just Live with whatever the consequences.

[Andrew Schultz]

These are the consequences.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think Australia said that Candace Owens couldn't come.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, but this is. You would be okay with that?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Like, say if you said something on the radio that offended the Prime Minister of the UK and you feel, hey, I have freedom of speech, I can voice my. Whatever I want to voice. You would think it's okay for them to not let you get.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I probably can't perform in China. Listen, I'm being dead serious. Like, I probably can't perform stand up comedy in China.

[Andrew Schultz]

Me neither.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can I go there, Alex? Maybe.

[Andrew Schultz]

But yeah, my free speech wasn't intruded on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. You were able to speak.

[Andrew Schultz]

I was able to say what the fuck I want to say. But there's not freedom of consequence.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Also, they don't have free speech anymore. That's. Free speech is only in America. In Canada, they have freedom of expression, but they don't have freedom of speech. Like, you could dance it or whatever. No, I don't know. But like, there's different limitations.

[Chris]

Well, I think they have stricter libel

[Charlamagne Tha God]

laws than in the US So it's like this is a specifically American thing and I think that we're kind of projecting on the rest of the world, like, oh, don't you believe in this? You're a Western democracy, yada yada yada. But like, they don't. They got different, they got different viewpoints on things and low key, like America, we've kicked people out for their viewpoints. Right. Like, wasn't the Trump administration kicking people out because they're like, yo, you support Gaza or you support.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, at one point. Yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's like there is this, this, there is this feeling like if you don't get along with whatever the status quo is now I feel like the status quo is supporting the atrocities of having in Gaza. But like the powers that be don't feel like it.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what the problem is? People really think that there's no consequence to their actions because of this shit right here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

Y' all think that y' all can get on because. Because you've never been punched in the face, because you've never been fired, because nothing has ever happened to you. You think that you can just get online and talk and say whatever you want and not have to deal with it. Then when you get beat up or shot or they don't want you in their country or they don't want you in their venues. Now all of a sudden it's like, I should be able to Say what I want. Who the fuck told you that?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, and I think people also might feel that way because when you see Kanye perform like he does, and then he can go to Sofi, still get Live Nation back, still sell it out two times, it's like, hey, you know what? If you can't me, you can't.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, maybe you can. Maybe. Maybe you can get some of the people some of the time, but you're not going to get all of the people. And that's part of dealing with the consequences of your second words.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've had venues cancel on me for far less. Yeah, I have venues cancel me because I said Covid came from China.

[Chris]

But it did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They ain't apologized. You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, literally after the lab, that it came from my boy, my boy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know. But in that time eventually made decision. I can't do nothing about that.

[Andrew Schultz]

You can do about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Private venue.

[Andrew Schultz]

So. So. So what do you do moving forward? You either say what the you want to say or. Or you watch what you say.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because you want to reach a broader audience.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There are other places. He could perform in Iran.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He would sell out everything in Iran, Lebanon. He could sell out anywhere in the Middle East. They're listening to that Kanye song on

[Andrew Schultz]

full volume, by the way. Kanye is a person who never really had to deal with consequences until now. These last few years, you're watching Kanye west have to deal with. With the consequences of his words and actions, and that's his battle to fight. He gotta go through that. He know what he said. He know what he did. He know who he said it to. He know who he did it to. So he gotta eat that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So we get to see how important it is for him to be free and say what he wants. Is it more valuable than money or is it not?

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's the craziest part about the Kanye west situation. What did he actually say? There's nothing he said that was of value. There's nothing he said that was thought provoking. Like, nothing. It's not like he actually made a stand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's always Kanye.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's my point. It's not like he actually made a stand and said something that really like, oh, man, you know what? He's got a point. And that actually was a good point. And it's wrong that he's being punished for that. Good point. No, that never happened.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, he was just repeating a lot of the bad conspiracies that people say online. It was bullshit, and it's fucked up and now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. You know, the guy made a song called Hell Hitler. Didn't say he didn't want nobody to listen to it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The merch with the swastikas is crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Y' all crucify the Russell way more than y' all did Kanye, you know what I'm saying? Like, y' all crucified him for saying even Hitler was heaven sent. Kanye gave y' all hell Hitler.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but God damn, Russell ain't give us runaway, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's what he walked down.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a runaway, by the way.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now can we talk about that now? Let's talk about that. Let's talk about people. Let's talk about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's how powerful music is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not even just music. Some people's art was so historically good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're right about it, and did something

[Andrew Schultz]

to us emotionally that you ain't letting that shit go. How many people can get away with murder literally, because of their art? How many? Who are the people? I mean, everybody. If you've made a classic, anything, a classic, anything, and people have an emotional investment to you, especially during your. Your formative years, it's hard to let that person go, bro. It's hard to let that person.

[Chris]

It's also, like a scientific thing. It's not even really in your control. There are studies that show, like, around the age of 15, 16, 17, the music that you listen to the most at that period kind of gets embedded in your brain almost.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Chris]

And you can't. You're kind of attached to it emotionally for the rest of your life.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's the thing. It's not even that you're attached to the artist. To Chris's point. I just think you're attached to whatever you was doing during that time. Whatever you felt during that time is what you're attached to.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And even if somebody like Kanye west or, you know, whoever it is goes down in flames, you're still thinking about that moment in time. You can't let it go. This music will always bring you back there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it is kind of selfish in that way. It's like you're really protecting, like, the way you felt. You're not really protecting the guy.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That guy just made you feel away, and you don't want to not feel that way when you hear this music again. So you're like, well, he must not be that bad, because I want to keep feeling that this way.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's right. And things like concerts take you right back to that place. That's why all of these Concerts with all these older artists hit so hard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nostalgia.

[Andrew Schultz]

The nostalgia, man. Like, you can go to these concerts and watch your favorite artists sing your favorite songs. You probably with the crew that you came up with when y' all went to these concerts, when y' all was 15, 16, 17. It's like, yo, that shit means something. That shit matters. So it's not even necessarily about the artist. I just want to go feel that feeling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to feel it again.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Want to feel it again.

[Andrew Schultz]

I want to go feel that feeling. Feeling.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. That's what everything, bro. That is with everything. Yeah. If you can get people to where they personalize what it is you're creating, they will protect. They'll protect that no matter what. And music just has a profound effect.

[Andrew Schultz]

It definitely does.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Music is different than anything else. I don't even know if people act like this with anything else. Like, maybe with sports. You care so much about your sports, like, you're willing to look past the fuck shit that some of the athletes have done.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Clear.

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

All right, let's get back to the show. Heli Walker church announcements.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, sir. I'm coming back on the road, man. Just booked. I just booked some shows. Get this hour together, man. Very excited. First of all, shout out Salt Lake City, man, that was awesome. We announced the show. They all. They sold out the weekend. Sold out immediately. So thank you guys so much. I love that place. It's incredible. Same for Tampa, man. Tampa Bay. We're coming there. I'll let y' all know. But if we're gonna add some more shows to those weekends, man. And then by the time this comes out, we will be announcing Denver and Virginia beach, so you can grab tickets for those@theandrew Schultz.com go get them quick. And I just really appreciate everybody who's been coming out, man, this is exciting to get this new hour, this new hour going. I was, I was responding to some people online that they were like, they would DM me when you go to tour, when you're going to come back. And like, I, I can't, like, permanently be on the road because then I feel like the material doesn't reflect the changes in my life.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, you got to live life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that is how I try to make sure every new hour isn't like the same version of an old hour. And I feel like sometimes in comedy that happens because you're not living and realizing the things that, like, have changed for you. At least that's my process with it. So I did some living and I'm excited to come talk some shit, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because you care about the craft of stand up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do.

[Andrew Schultz]

As opposed to just getting on stage, doing some crowd work. You know what I mean? Treating it like it's a podcast for an hour. I hate you guys.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love. I do love crowd work, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know. I love crowd work.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I hear what you're saying.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, that can't be the only thing you do for an hour straight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, People are spending their hard earned money.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gotta give them a show.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I've always tried throughout my career to make sure it's something special and worth their time.

[Andrew Schultz]

And anybody who says? Well, you don't have to do that anymore. That's why you're special. Won't be special. Okay. Fourth annual Black Effect Podcast Festival, happening Saturday, April 25th, in Atlanta, Georgia at Pullman Yards. Drink Champs is gonna be on that podcast stage. Let's go, Mona. Don't Call Me White Girl podcast. Jeff teigen, the Club 520 podcast. Crystal Renee Haslett with the Keep It Positive, Sweetie podcast. Carlos King with the Reality with the King podcast and Grits and Eggs podcast. My man Deontay kyla, big ice cupcat. Go get your tickets. Blackffect.com podcast festival. We got everything there, man. The food trucks, the Black Effect marketplace. You know, we're going to have the NASCAR race simulator from my guy Raja Karuf. All this. All types of stuff. We got panels talking about AI in the business of podcasting. I know Tika Sumter is on a panel. John o' Brien is on the panel. I can't remember who else, but listen, go get your tickets. Blackffect.com podcast festival. We'll see you April 25th in Atlanta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Andrew Schultz]

And I also want to tell folks, man, Arsenio hall, his book, a memoir is available everywhere. You buy books now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's go.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen, we put out a lot of books on black privilege publishing, and this is a book where I want to. I was like, man, I wish I was part of a book club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ooh.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just because I want to discuss it and I want to talk about it. Just because that era of the 90s meant so much to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean? And I'm watching, like, people that have read the book, and everybody's saying the same thing. It's just like, yo, it's just bringing me back to that time. Plus, people don't know what Arsenio hall fucking went through. They literally went to him. They came to him and said, arsenio, you're too black. Yeah. They literally said his show was too fucking black.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he could have easily conformed and started to do things that were, you know, a little bit more digestible to mainstream America because he had a mainstream audience. He was like, no, that's not what I want to do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why did the Arsenio hall show stop?

[Andrew Schultz]

He quit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

Everybody doesn't know that. Everybody thinks that he got let go because he had Minister Farrakhan on. He actually resigned and he put the resignation letter in the book to let people know. I'm not bullshitting about this, because when he first told me this story, I'm like, I've never. And of course, I mean, Arsenio's 70 years old, so, of course, I'm much older than me, but I'm like, I've never heard this. I always heard that it was because of Minister Farrakhan. He actually resigned because he didn't like the way that the executives kept coming at him and how they were trying to tell him to do things, by the way. Can we talk about that? Can we talk about how easy it is to walk away instead of, you know, fighting these motherfuckers?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Does he regret walking away?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, not even a little bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good for him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not even a little bit. And Austin Hill lived a great life. Not only did he go on to do film, they bought the Arsenio hall show back at one point. You know what I'm saying? And he just does stand up. He lives the life he wants to live. God bless and God bless. And he's 70 years old.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Looks great.

[Andrew Schultz]

Man. Man. So go pick up Arsenio hall memoir, available everywhere. You buy books now. And go get his audiobook. He read his own audiobook as well. So I'm waiting to see.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, that is a cool experience, but I think that this generation will probably take for granted.

[Andrew Schultz]

Talk to Me is monoculture.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, not monoculture. Model culture is interesting, I think, but, like, the fact that you get to read somebody's autobiography. Sorry, that you get to indulge in someone's autobiography and hear their voice.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They are telling you the story that happened to them. Like, we never had that luxury growing up. Right? Like, maybe someone read an excerpt of it at Barnes and Noble.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't remember no audiobooks when I was growing up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, no, there wasn't audiobooks, but. Meaning, like, you could have gone to, like, a book. What are those things that you do?

[Andrew Schultz]

A book reading?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, book reading. You hear a chapter or whatever, and they're talking about your life, but you. I remember listening to your book. I think it was your first one. And I was at some hotel because I was doing shows that weekend, and I was like, oh, this is such a cool experience, because I'm hearing Charlemagne tell these stories. And, yeah, I'm trying to think of, like, imagine the fucking autobiographies that we read growing up.

[Andrew Schultz]

It was a big deal when I read my book. You know, it's so funny you bring that up. There's a lot of books that don't have audio because of that, because they came out in a time where there was no audio.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's like, who's gonna read fucking George Washington's autobiography.

[Andrew Schultz]

The autobiography of Malcolm X. Just got audio a few years ago.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And who did the voice? Laurence Fishburne and does. That's cool. So that's the other thing you do. Like, would you rather get an impressionist to do the voice of Malcolm X or would you rather have somebody that was, like, esteemed read it?

[Chris]

Well, you know what it's going to be going forward, it's going to be 100%.

[Andrew Schultz]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Jake Paul wants to do blackface. Andrew's all for it. You could do whatever you want. Jake Paul's feelings are hurt because of the Drew Ski skit. Let's hear this audio.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wait, why'd you say I'm four?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Because you're a joke.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Over the last couple of days,

[Andrew Schultz]

calling

[Charlamagne Tha God]

makeup artists, and I was gonna do a response to this and, like, go

[Andrew Schultz]

and do, like, the full on darker. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And do it and just do it back, because why not? Yeah. Like, are we on the same playing field? Like, I think if you.

[Andrew Schultz]

If there's a way to do it. Oh, singing in. Well, this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Even this sentence.

[Andrew Schultz]

But if there's a way to do it. I've been here many times. If there's a way to do it. I think. Yeah, I think there needs to be some black support for the character. I think, like, I'm saying, like, say if Drew Ski or I'm trying to think of somebody else. Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley. If you got one of those guys to be like, hey, do you want you to do this skit with me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's do this.

[Andrew Schultz]

But.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But still, that's.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's pussing out. You think it is?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. To me, there's a level of, like.

[Andrew Schultz]

Doesn't that make us more, like, prejudice? Like, more prejudice that makes us. If we have to partner with someone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Drew Ski just dropped this. And he's done it a couple of times. Exactly. I love it. This is great. This is how humans should be.

[Andrew Schultz]

I agree.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We should make fun of each other. And I don't see in color.

[Andrew Schultz]

I see in truth and comedy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So, like, what are we talking about?

[Andrew Schultz]

So you're saying what era are we living in? See, I didn't hear. I didn't. I never even heard the clip. I just saw the head. Oh, no. I just saw the headline. That last part. What he said is exactly how I feel. And the reason I feel like that is. Cause I'm born in 1970. Fucking eight.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There we go.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay. I grew up in an era where men wore dresses in the guise of Comedy. Men pretended to be gay in the guise of comedy. Men pretended to be white under the guise of comedy. You had white comedians who pretended to be black under the guise of comedy. That's it. Like, my feel like my feelings never got hurt over any of that shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, when I saw Robert De Niro on Tropic Thunder, I didn't get my feelings hurt. You know what I'm saying? Or like Howard Stern, when I saw Howard Stern. Now, Howard Stern was a bit wild, but Howard was wild. Go back and watch this clip. Howard was wild. But you know why Howard was wild? Cause he was actually doing blackface. Like, he was actually doing the blackface that they used to do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is how far removed minstrel show.

[Andrew Schultz]

That was wild.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, so this is how far removed we are from, like, what blackface is. I think, like a lot of Gen Z that's watching this, they actually don't know what blackface is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's give them the actual definition.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So there was a time in history where they wouldn't even let black people play the incredibly racist caricatures that were made of them in cinema. What is it? Amos and Andy or something like that is one of the Amos and Andy.

[Andrew Schultz]

And it wasn't just the makeup.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no.

[Andrew Schultz]

It was the character. They would take on these, what they called stereotypical characteristics.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was called the sambo character.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And what they would do is they'd paint on these incredibly stereotypical lips and all this stuff.

[Andrew Schultz]

And like, they portrayed him as lazy, ignorant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly. So, like. So the. The idea of blackface wasn't simply. Which is probably what Gen Z thinks. It's just painting your face the color of black people. No, it is. It is purposely antagonistic and insulting.

[Andrew Schultz]

Mocking black people. Insulting black people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now we can mock people and insult people of different races. Like, I made a career off it, but it doesn't mean that this is a different thing. And the reason why I'm trying to say that, like, Gen Z doesn't really understand what it is is because when we've seen a Robert De Niro. Not a Robert De Niro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Robert.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's his Name?

[Chris]

Robert Downey, Jr. Robert Downey Jr.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you've seen other characters kind of do this in different things, it doesn't get this big negative reaction because it's not the minstrel show that it was portrayed before.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now he actually was pretending to be a black person.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right. So the things have gotten muddied.

[Andrew Schultz]

Or Jimmy Kimmel when he did Karl Malone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. He's not even being black people. He's being Karl Malone right now that things have gotten muddied. And there's young people who are just like, anytime you paint your face black, that is blackface, which is not. And therefore, it's insulting and racist and hateful and all these other things. So there's just a lot of, like, information that doesn't kind of. People aren't sharing the same information.

[Andrew Schultz]

We're using words that we probably shouldn't be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't know the actual definition of.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think what Jake said at the end is what you were saying. What? This is kind of what we all want. We want to make fun of each other. We want to tease each other. We want to be able to insult each other in a way where, like, it can be appreciated. And the best version of it is you see a guy doing it, and he maybe is not part of your culture, but you see them, like, noticing certain things about your culture, and you're like, oh, that was fucking cool right there. That was great.

[Andrew Schultz]

I want you to get mad at me because I pretended to imitate you. Yeah. And you were offended by it because of how I was imitating you. Like when Mike Tyson walked up on Keenan Ivy Wayans, they say in a club.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

He didn't like the way Keenan Ivy Wayans portrayed him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

But if it's something that's actually funny, I think it's a little bit different. I'd rather you just be mad at me for.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

The problem with this is that if he does exactly what Drewski did, Drew Ski said, hey, this is conservative women in America.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

So now if Jake does, hey, this is black. Da, da, da. In America, that is the defin. And then he portrays them in a silly, dumb manner.

[Andrew Schultz]

He portrays them in a. Guess. If he pretends to be sexy Red and does that, it's gonna be a problem. If his idea of black women in America. And I'm not saying this is an Octa. Sexy Red. I'm just telling you what the optics would be. If he said, I'm portraying black women in America and it's sexy red or all of the, you know, different rapper women, it might be an issue. But what if. What if he portrayed. By the way, I'm just giving him ideas.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know.

[Andrew Schultz]

Cause I want to see if he's stupid enough to do it. What if he pretends to be Michelle Obama? Powerful, strong, well spoken.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or what if he was, like, in charge? So Drew Ski did conservative.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, it wouldn't be Drew Ski did

[Charlamagne Tha God]

conservative white women Yep. Right.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No. Conservative women in America. He never said white.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sorry, Sorry. Conservative women in America. If Jake did progressive black people in America and then dressed and, like, kind of imitated Don Lemon, are people that upset at it? Yes, if it's based on a specific person. Like, clearly Drew Ski was talking about,

[Andrew Schultz]

he should say Don Lemon. Be like, then.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, no, I thought what was smart about Drewski's thing is that, like, we all knew who he was talking about, but he didn't say it did. We know. I know you're doing this thing where it's like, it was that other big girl.

[Andrew Schultz]

That was the one. Sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But the staring was Erica.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sarah was Erica.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was Eric. So then maybe it doesn't have to just be Don Lemon. It could be another version of that. But, like, then I think he has a little bit more protection because it's targeted. It's not going like, here's this uniform stereotype about black people, and I'm insulting it. It goes, here are these black people that we know. And I'm teasing that.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If he does do the ghetto trope, then people are going to get upset about it, but he doesn't do the ghetto trope. People still be upset because people going to be upset. But if he doesn't do the ghetto trope, I think there's more protection because he's actually doing impression kind of of individuals in the same way that Kimmel did Karl Malone. And that wasn't a reflection of all black people. It's a reflection on car.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, now it's not gonna work. First of all, it never would work anyway. But it's definitely not gonna work now, because the headline, Jake Paul says he's going to do blackface in retaliation, essentially to Drew Ski's skit. That's the headline. I didn't even hear what the fuck he said when he was like, yo, we. I thought he was actually offended and he just wanted to get started.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he's like, I love it. This is awesome.

[Chris]

But I don't know much about him. Is he a comedian?

[Andrew Schultz]

No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Chris]

So then why is he doing it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he's. He's a provocateur. Okay, so maybe he sees it as a. I mean, there's no.

[Andrew Schultz]

By the way. There's no way for it to work. Jake Paul. There's no way to work. All I'm simply saying is I grew up in an era.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I got a way. I got a way it works.

[Andrew Schultz]

I. I'm just saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can I get a. Can I get a Black boxers from Britain be like. And he dresses up as Anthony Joshua, knocking out Jake Paul.

[Andrew Schultz]

Depends how he acts. Depends how he acts as Anthony.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dignified or, like, super Nigerian or whatever the you want.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, he acts as Anthony, Right. And.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he's the butt of the joke in a way, because he's getting knocked out by this guy after he's talking. There is a way to get away

[Chris]

as opposed to doing Cori Bush. And he. He's leans into.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, don't do nothing political.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's Corey? Who's Corey?

[Chris]

A female politician.

[Andrew Schultz]

Politician. And don't do nothing political.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

And don't put black in the title. Because Drew Ski didn't say white conservative women.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He just said, oh, British boxers. Be like, yeah, yeah, that is true.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Don't do it. Because there's still a history with blackface. Do not.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, don't do it. But I do. I will say I agree, Jake. Don't do it. But all I'm simply saying is I grew up in an era where people absolutely, positively made fun of everything. Like In Living Color ran the gamut.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it was fun.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. Martin Lawrence. And this is the other thing. Martin Lawrence, Jamie Foxx. They could dress up as women, do scenes with men where they acting like they trying to the guy. Nobody ever was like, martin, you gay. Martin, you a sellout. Because you went. We never. I never had that many.

[Chris]

Some people were.

[Andrew Schultz]

When. No, tell me, when was that Discussion?

[Chris]

In the 90s, there was always a discussion that they. That Hollywood forces.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, that came on much later.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was on. What was Oprah or something like that.

[Chris]

That goes back to Flip Wilson in the 60s.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did Oprah start that?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I thought it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it was Dave on some interview. I forgot where. He was, like, trying to make you wear a dress or something.

[Andrew Schultz]

It might have been Dave on Oprah. I'm a conspiracy theorist to a degree. Like, when I connect dots that maybe shouldn't be connected.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

But certain dots, like when I see that they put every black man and movies in a dress at some point in their career, I'll be connecting them down. Like, why all these brothers gotta wear a dress? This happened to me. I'm doing a movie with Martin. Yeah, the movie's going good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I walk in the trailer.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm like, man, this must be the wrong trailer. Cause there's a dress in here. They come in. The writer comes in. I think he's a writer. He's like, dave, listen. You got this hilarious scene where Martin's sneaking out of jail. So he disguises you as a prostitute and he put this dress on and huh, What? Prostitute?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, I'm not doing that.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't feel comfortable with that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That should have been in the discussion. You don't feel comfortable with it?

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, it's a hilarious bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All the greats have done it so.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, if all the greats have done it, it's kind of hacky, right? You're right. So why don't we just not do it?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I don't feel comfortable wearing a dress. Oh, come on, Dave.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen, we got it all set up. We're supposed to shoot every. Every minute you waste cost this much money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, the pressure comes in.

[Andrew Schultz]

He said, I'm not. I'm not wearing no dress.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Man, I'm funnier than a dress.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just give me something funny to say. I don't need to wear no dress to be funny. My Milton Burrow, you know, we're going like this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then finally he's like, ah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he leaves.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then like the director comes.

[Andrew Schultz]

David, really would be great if you wear the dress.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What is wrong?

[Andrew Schultz]

What is this Brokeback Mountain in here?

[Chris]

So that was a Convo in the 80s. I mean, I remember.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't ever remember it, but by the way, that combo in the 80s didn't stop nothing. But the 90s gave you some of the funniest guys wearing dress.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We were all dying, laughing. None of us were like, look at Hollywood, trying to emasculate. Because it was a black produced show with black creators, black writers. So in no way were they like, oh, there's some like, white executive that's not like, could you dress them in little skirts today? It was like, nah, this is just funny.

[Chris]

Actually, Arsenio talks about that in the book. I forgot that there's a character that he plays, a woman coming to America. I totally forgot about that character.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on.

[Andrew Schultz]

When he said he wanted to fuck Eddie. So I want to fuck you. I forgot what the word was. I want to fuck you and your friend too.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

And I want to tear you apart and your friend too.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, nobody cares.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Comedians are imitating women in their, in their skits, right? They're acting like a girl. They're like mannerisms. Like a girl within a joke, right? Like, so within a joke you could be a girl. The second you put on a dress as that girl, then it's emasculate. It's like, get yo.

[Andrew Schultz]

Arsenio hall talks about how on SNL they had Dana Carver used to do Arsenio. What was the Character name.

[Chris]

I know what you're talking about.

[Andrew Schultz]

It was Carcino. This is. This is. This is fun. This is wild stuff. You see this, Ed? You just. You just do this. You go, whoop, whoop, whoop. And they. They go crazy. It's just wild, weird stuff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just. Just whoop, whoop, whoop. And that's it. All right, all right. My name is. My name is Carcino. And this is going to be a party. Woof, woof, woof, woof. Used to dress hip hop and all that. I don't think he did the black skin, though. Nah. Yeah, they didn't do black skin. Smart. They didn't do the black skin. So my point is, once again, we come from an era where everybody did that to each other. Everybody. Especially comedians.

[Chris]

So they pay the price sometimes and do.

[Andrew Schultz]

And by the way, roll the dice, J.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the thing.

[Chris]

Ted dancing. You guys remember Ted dancing in Olympic Gold Ice?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, if you want to do it, I'm not encouraging you to do it. I'm just simply. And I'm not encouraging for you to do it. I'm not advocating for you to do it. I'm just simply saying if you do it, don't be pussy. Deal with the consequences that come with doing it. That's all. Yeah. Oh, I remember this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But Ted Danson actually did blackface.

[Andrew Schultz]

This was actually.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is blackface with Whoopi.

[Andrew Schultz]

You said what?

[Chris]

He did it with Whoopi.

[Andrew Schultz]

And Whoopi was his black. They were actually roasting Whoopi. But nah, nah, this is black. When you put on the white glove, bro, with the black shoe paint and the white lips. Nah, you wilding. Yeah, you really wilding. What else we got, man? What else we got? Chris Brown. Bam, Bam, Bam, bam, bam, bam. This Justin disjust in. Disjust in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We got something new.

[Andrew Schultz]

Salute to my guy, Arsenio hall, man. Arsenio hall is why I made the New York bestsellers. Listen. Damn. Listen. And I know what people are out there saying. Cause y' all say this every fucking time, and it disgusts me. Cause it lets me know how much y' all don't know about shit. Y' all be like, everybody make the New York Times Bestseller List. No, actually, everybody doesn't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

And furthermore, we don't even know how the fuck people make the New York Times bestsellers List. Cause it's not based on sales, okay? Chris knows this. And by the way, you can Google it. There's so many articles about it. What is it based on, Chris?

[Chris]

We don't know they got their secret sauce.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No way, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's not. Nobody knows what nobody.

[Chris]

Sales are a large component, but there are other aspects that they won't share. Go under the formula.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What else could there be?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I heard it's like, location from when sales are coming in.

[Andrew Schultz]

And, like, that's part of it.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Because if you just do it on sales, somebody could just be like, yo, buy a whole bunch in bulk so I can make the list. But now if you see them from all different places.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So this is stopping the publishing companies from botting the. Bot the.

[Chris]

Or both buys, which is always the big issue that they try to shut down.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is the publishing company realizes the marketing ability of being a New York Times the bestseller. So they go, we're gonna buy 20,000 copies. Now you got a New York Times bestseller. So if you see them being purchased from all these different places, it looks actually, like, unique. People are doing it. I get that. Then I get that as having a special sauce, because otherwise it'd be too easy.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's right. And so I'm just gonna read this. It's not purely numbers, like you just said, Alex. The list is curated. It's not just a ranking on Amazon. New York Times uses a confidential panel of bookstores and retailers, and they weight certain sellers more than others to reflect broad natural interest. So a book that's sold, and this is just numbers, if a book sold 10,000 copies the right way, it can beat a book that sold 20,000 the wrong way. And sometimes when you see the bulk buys, you'll see that it'll have a cross next to it on sometimes bestsellers is to let you know there was a lot of bulk buys. That's cheating.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's cheating. That's the same as, like, when these. When these artists, like, buy the streams, and it's like, they might be real streams, but it's just a house in India that has iPhones painted all over the walls and they're just streaming the songs nonstop for fucking weeks.

[Andrew Schultz]

Bulk mine can actually disqualify you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Good. It should.

[Chris]

In the old days with records, the record labels would buy 20,000 copies and then return them after the counting was hilarious.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, hilarious.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen. Salute to Arsenio, Jess. Hilarious is up next. Hey, tell death do we parent. It'll be out April 28th. All right, so go pre order that right now. What else we got? What else we got? Ooh, go scroll back up to that. Salute to Ro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Conner, man, what's Ro doing?

[Andrew Schultz]

I just. I just. I like Ro. Ro's not the most exciting politician, but Ro knows what to say when things are time to be said. What did he say here?

[Chris]

Let's go to the videotape.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

As a human being and as an American citizen, I am relieved that Donald Trump has accepted a ceasefire and withdrawn his threat to destroy Iranian civilization. But let's be clear, this did not happen because of Congress, which barely made a whimper. This happened because of the force of the American people. Not just progressives and liberals, but conservatives like Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor and even Ann Coulter spoke out against the horror of threatening genocide against another people. This tells me one thing. The only thing that will save this country, the only thing that will save

[Andrew Schultz]

our democracy is a broad populist social movement.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Anti Epstein class, anti war, pro war.

[Andrew Schultz]

I will say this. It is wild that we live in a society where we have to say we need an anti Epstein class. What was the other things he said, Chris? Anti Epstein, anti war, pro working and pro. That is most humans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, can I, can I. Can I ask y' all a question? And this is something I've been curious about. We've been like very effective at like protesting things that are pretty horrible. You've seen these amazing protests around the country, like with ice, like incredible organization and people out in the streets and people really mobilized. The no Kings protest, like, incredible. Why is there. If nobody in America or the majority of Americans do not want this war, why has there not been an organized protest simply against the actions? Oh, it is right now.

[Chris]

I went to no Kings.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's too many things rolled up into one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hold on. No Kings is not an anti Iran war protest. Is existing protests about no Kings, which I appreciate, but this, this pre. Exists. This predates the Iran war, but it

[Andrew Schultz]

fits into a no King thing is about. It's about him not asking Congress for shit and just doing what the hell he wants.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know, but that's not what we're. The question I'm really asking is is it possible that the powers that be that are involved in the organization of these protests that are very important and very powerful are not willing to incentivize a protest against this war? And are they some in some way supportive of this war?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think there's too much going on, Schultz. I don't think too much going on. I don't think you could have one

[Charlamagne Tha God]

option like, no, no, I'm with you,

[Andrew Schultz]

but I don't think you can have one protest about one thing anymore.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We had it with ice. It was one protest about one thing.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, that was no kid yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There were specific anti ice protests. This happened in Minneapolis, that happened in other places around the country. I know, Chris, that you've been attending them. So it's like. I don't know again, I'm just saying.

[Andrew Schultz]

I get what you're saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it possible that the powers that be are in some way like support of this?

[Andrew Schultz]

But hold on. They have had the anti war Iran protest over the last few weeks though. They have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris, you were a professional.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's a lot of protests. There's a lot of protests going on that we don't even know about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Chris, you are a professional Protestant.

[Andrew Schultz]

I brought you a gift.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you.

[Andrew Schultz]

What is that one from?

[Chris]

That's from my last protest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even know what it is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let me see. Oh, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got the chance. You got the chance.

[Andrew Schultz]

Get the out of here. All this going on right now still on this scooter.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No, that's ice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's an ice thing. And they got like, they got cards printed out in a whistle. So they're handing out.

[Andrew Schultz]

It ain't even allowed. You couldn't even use that as a 2 shortcut.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I almost put.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know why I can't hear that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Almost blew into that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let Chris blow it. That is not loud. It is. Let's see. Chris, hit it. This is the one that was handed out at the protest. Let's see if it's effective. Get the out of here now. Sounds like you hailing a cab.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Now imagine 20,000 people with that going off at the same time. The shit is loud and effective.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, 20,000. 20,000.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So we're avoiding my question.

[Chris]

I don't, I don't. I see what you're saying. That's what it is. Just having gone to these things, I do, I will say I've never liked the branding of no kings. There's something that kind of rubs me the wrong way. It feels like it's almost conceding something

[Charlamagne Tha God]

right off the bat that there is a king.

[Chris]

Yeah, I do like the idea and I felt I have. I go to all these protests because I think it's very important. I really struggle with them. Like there's a certain performative aspect of a lot of these protests that just kind of makes me uncomfortable.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I would, I do think the

[Chris]

idea of a no war protest specifically would be very interesting. Cuz traditionally, if you look at American history, no war protests have very much always been the territory of the left. And I think what you're suggesting is

[Charlamagne Tha God]

if there was an Seats uniting.

[Andrew Schultz]

They're literally happening today, right now, as we speak.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

I Googled it. Iran war protests Today across the US over 60 protests against President Donald Trump's Iran war are erupting nationwide today, Wednesday, April 8, with anti war protesters rallying against Trump's war threats and demanding Congress take action to stop Trump and bring U.S. forces home. Dozens of anti war protests a day in D.C. new York, Philadelphia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Maryland are organized by the 5501 Movement, a grassroots initiative fighting to uphold the Constitution and end executive overreach, and the Amster Coalition, a massive anti war movement. The group's emergency protest today, dubbed Stop the War on Iran, follow a handful of protests in Philadelphia, New York City, and outside the White House in D.C. on April 7th. All right, so Chris, you out the loop? Chris?

[Chris]

I'll go to the next one. I invite my Republican brothers and sisters out there to join me. I'll have whistles for every. Oh, no, we won't have whistles because it's not an ICE protest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's one in midtown today. Let me see what time it is. Chris, you can go out there with your whistle. President Donald Trump, war on Iran has triggered protests across the country, including in New York. Where is it at? Where is it at? On Wednesday, 6pm in Times Square.

[Chris]

Who'll join me? Who's gonna join me here?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I went to no Kings.

[Chris]

You did?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

The one in New York.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right. So to answer your question. There you go.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah. And technically, this isn't a war yet because Congress hasn't voted on it, and they have. He has 90 days for. To do whatever.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whatever you want to call it. I don't think we need a. Yeah,

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't do that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Declaration of war in order to protest.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No, I get that. But also, the way he moves, it's like it could be over tomorrow by one of his tweets. Or it can extend for months and months by some of his tweets. So you never really know when to

[Andrew Schultz]

protest it if you're in jail and somebody fucks you in the ass.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Whoa.

[Andrew Schultz]

And they don't announce that they fucked you in the ass or they're fucking you in the ass. Are you getting in the ass?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay. The. You need a vote to say, hey, this is a war.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

You know what I mean? Like, to mobilize protests. And then what if. Right. Right now we have a ceasefire? So technically, are we still at war?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You doing the. What is a woman thing?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but I'm saying don't don't you

[Charlamagne Tha God]

think that would like.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know what a war is, bro. What are we talking about here? Like right.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Right now we got to two week ceasefire is. Are we at war?

[Chris]

Do we?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do we?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I mean, according to what they're saying,

[Chris]

not as of a couple hours ago.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did I know he's answering his own question?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

If they have a two week ceasefire, then that means we were at war.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

But the ceasefire. The point of it is to negotiate the ending to.

[Andrew Schultz]

But why wait? But you don't wait until the two weeks and the war starts back. You start protesting now because you don't want the war.

[Chris]

You gotta keep the pressure on so that it feels imperative to end this thing once and for all.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris]

So.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

K Pop Demon Hunters, Haja Boys Breakfast

[Andrew Schultz]

Meal and Huntrex Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not a battle.

[Andrew Schultz]

So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day. It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor. It is our larger honor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, really, stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle.

[Andrew Schultz]

Pick a meal to pick a side and participate in McDonald's.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

While supplies last

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, sir.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that's nice.

[Andrew Schultz]

So we ain't been in. You know who I saw earlier, man? I saw Theresa Caputo earlier. You know Theresa Caputo? Psychic, The Long island medium.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did she get exposed or some. Wasn't there like a documentary about her,

[Andrew Schultz]

did she? I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. Maybe. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's up?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I just was with her earlier. It was interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's she saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

Interesting conversation, man. I. I definitely believe in mediums. I believe mediums have gifts. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right.

[Andrew Schultz]

And no, I do. I mean, only because I've had quite a few conversations with mediums in my life. One of them was intentional. Today with Theresa was intentional. But the One I had 20 years ago was not intentional at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And

[Andrew Schultz]

all three of them have said things to me. I'm like, wow. You know what I'm saying? The first One I met 20 years ago, everything he said to me came true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God. Everything? Everything. Literally everything. Even down to having daughters. And I didn't even have no daughters yet. Like, everything. So, yes, I do believe there are people with gifts. Do I believe there's bullshit is out there? Sure. But I believe that there's people out there with gifts as well. Why wouldn't there be?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Agreed.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Like, why wouldn't there be? Like, why wouldn't God give people gifts? To where if, you know, folks from the afterlife or the guides that are around us can speak through, like, you think that they made the movie Ghost way back when. It came from somewhere. You don't believe it. You scared. You scared to sit with one. You scared to sit with one because you think that they might tell you something that you don't want to hear.

[Chris]

Awesome.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's not gonna hurt. Elvismotiso, how do you feel about going back to the moon? Is it real or not? Nah, nah, Elvis, you don't even think they're out there. Wasn't real back then, isn't real now. Wow. Okay, let's talk about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you went to the moon in what, 1969. 1969. You haven't been back since. With all the advancements in technology, look how good these shit have gotten.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

NASA, you ain't got nothing greater that could get us back sooner. But you went there in 1969. But 2026, we just getting back, and they say we might not go back for, what, another decade? Get the fuck outta here. Yo, we ain't never been to the moon. We ain't out there now, I don't think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because you don't go back. Like, I haven't been back to Cancun, but it exists.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why haven't we been back?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because ain't there.

[Andrew Schultz]

So what's the big deal about us being there now?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know why we're going. That's why. I don't get it. Like, what? What is the advantage?

[Andrew Schultz]

Go back and look at the original moon lander from 1969, and after seeing that movie with Scarlett Johansson and Channing Tatum, fly me to the moon.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You don't believe it?

[Andrew Schultz]

Absolutely not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But what's the idea? Of this one that they went to see the. The dark side of the moon, right?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Isn't it all dark out there?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they got the light, the sun shining on half of it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I believe that humans can't fathom being so primitive. Y' all earthlings hate the fact, especially American earthlings, that we just are not the most intelligent life in all of these universes and galaxies. What I do believe is that they're fully aware of UFOs and extraterrestrials. And I believe that, you know, there have been those of us in government who've been in contact with them. And it's an ego thing with them. And those extraterrestrials are sitting back laughing like, look at these motherfuckers still lying about going to the goddamn moon and convincing their whole civilization that they really out here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So do you think that the spaceship even went into the sky? Come on, Sean. Do planes go in the sky?

[Andrew Schultz]

I believe that we do have rockets that can get to a certain distance outside of Earth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You believe in satellites?

[Andrew Schultz]

I believe in the Jeff Bezos shit. The women going, do you believe they went to space? Why don't you believe they went to space? Don't be sexist. Why don't you believe they went to space?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think it's sexist because I'll be honest with you, I don't think that Jeff thought they were going to make it back. I thought he was trying to get out of that relationship and he was just like, let me do something nice for my girl and her friends. And then kaboom. And then what a tragedy. That's what I think he was trying. It's cheaper to keep her, but it's way cheaper to blow her up. And that's what I thought was gonna happen. And then a miracle happened where they were able to get back.

[Andrew Schultz]

Listen, Neil, Degrasse Tyson said he knows we went to the moon. How the fuck you know that, Neil?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You just taking the word of some people that say they went there. Yeah, I just wanna know. Listen, okay? And by the way, everything we're saying is gonna straight brilliant idiot logic. I just want to know if we went in 1969.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why haven't we been back since? Nothing there with all the advancements in technology. And why won't we be going back for another 10 years?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because there's nothing there.

[Andrew Schultz]

Just somebody got to tell me, because to your point, once somebody discovered Cancun, people kept going back and kept going back and kept going back.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If it's fire. You're gonna go back, but I don't think they found anything up there.

[Andrew Schultz]

They say allegedly it's a McDonald's on the. On the moon.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Andrew Schultz]

That's what the streets say now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, good for Ronald.

[Andrew Schultz]

It says a McDonald's on the moon. It says the space station on the moon. People who've actually been to the moon say these things. Only those of us who haven't been say it's nothing there. So Americans say it's nothing there. The people who've been say that lit. They say it's popping. It says mad space stations out there. All type of different species out there living in perfect harmony. Okay. They say it's a McDonald's out there. Y' all forgot when McDonald's had the moon, man. Remember that?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why the fuck did McDonald's logo. That was the soft rollout. What year was that, Chris? The 90s. See, the people who really been going, look it up. McDonald's moon man. There were people who really been going to McDonald's. They know what was out there. McDonald's. This was the soft rollout. We thought this was for us. No, this was for the moon. This was for. Let the people back tonight. That was him back the motherfucking night. He was actually a crescent moon. That was a rollout, an endorsement for everybody. What the fuck was really going on on the moon. Really went up there on a regular basis.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're on it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, that wasn't for us. We thought that was for us. No, that was for people who make regular trips to the moon. Motherfuckers.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

Shout out to Mack tonight. Okay. But no, to answer the question, no, I don't believe that nobody's out there. I don't believe that we've been to the moon, and I don't believe we're out there now. Nah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna give you another question because you believe so much. Let me ask you another question. Let me ask you another question. Why can't they land on it? They landed on it in 69, but can't now. Yeah, now they just want to hover around it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, what are they gonna do there?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yesterday they went out of communication. They lost communication for 40 minutes.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I don't think we landed the first time, but I do think this time we are there. Like we did circle it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We circled it before the Apollo mission with Tom Hank circled it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't believe none of this shit.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, I don't believe.

[Andrew Schultz]

Don't believe it.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

You believe the first moon landing?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I don't believe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Sending.

[Andrew Schultz]

Circling. I might can get with.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Obviously we circled it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Circling. I might get with. Landon, get the. Nah.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Sending that live footage.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's delayed.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Come on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, it's just sending it like. Do you believe in satellites? If you believe in satellites, then the

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

moon is a satellite farther than our satellites are.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The moon is a satellite, but what's the difference?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I'm just saying, back in that day, I don't think we had the technology to.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't believe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't even think the moon is that far. What?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

It's like 250 times where the furthest satellite is, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but, like, distance is not that far.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think it's that far. Like, it's. No, I don't think the movie. That far. Far, far. I don't think so. I think that's. That's the thing that we're.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right now.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

There's a space nerd right now who's human.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, that space dirt. That's what I want to tell them. You're telling me that they landed in 69, but now they can just circle?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

That's the thing. I don't think. I don't think 69 was true, but I do think now is true.

[Chris]

Do you guys think human history as. As old as people say it is?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, what do you mean by that?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Which people?

[Chris]

Meaning the idea that human civilizations go back, what is it, like, 6, 700,000 years?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Chris]

Is there other theories out there that, like, the whole world is, like, 700 years old? No, there's a Roman. I mean, a Russian version of that

[Andrew Schultz]

where, like, 700,000 years is crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no. Civilization doesn't go back 700,000 years. There might have been, like, humans, you know, in our, like, more or less current form, but, like, civilization goes back, what, like 10,000 years?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I mean, 700,000 years is a long time for God not to have gotten the recipe all the way, right, Guys. I'm just saying, 10,000 years, 5 to 10,000 years ago, and he still ain't quite got the recipe.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but what if God likes the reality show? Like, you don't. You don't put rational actors in the reality show. It's the Housewives, right? Like, do you think when we're creating, like, Andy Cohen is creating all these housewives shows or whatever, do you think God is like. Like, man, he really knows my man.

[Andrew Schultz]

God damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because that's what this is like.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, because you. Because, because really, if you're a God, right, and you really Just want to keep everything above board. You stop adding the free will. You treat the free will like the cornstarch.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So, you know, it's a little bit.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I don't need none.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, none.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, no. What's that? That Robert F. Kenny wants to get

[Charlamagne Tha God]

rid of red dye.

[Andrew Schultz]

Red dye. Call it get rid of no free will. Okay. Give them no free will. You'll get the recipe just right. What if free will is what gives it the flavor?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You need the flavor.

[Andrew Schultz]

You need the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You need the flavor. And it's an entertaining show to watch.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We've been, we've been delivering non stop entertainment for a few thousand years, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Years, bro. I mean, I wonder what was his best season? What was God's favorite season? Oh, what do you think?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

World War II is probably crazy, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah. B.C.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

oh, you talking about like before I

[Andrew Schultz]

sent my son and y' all was just trying to figure it out, like, oh, for you. You know what I'm saying? Rubbing together two sticks to make wood.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Then somebody's like, you know, let's rub our dicks together and see what happens. Now I gotta.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the Greek history. He's had a couple little empires pop off that have been pretty crazy, you

[Andrew Schultz]

know what I'm saying? Roman Empire was kind of fire. Roman Roman Empire was kind of fire.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ottoman, you know what I mean? Greek, Persian.

[Andrew Schultz]

What if he started making the penises bigger so they stopped?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think that might have been part of it.

[Andrew Schultz]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, I think you might be right about that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, he was probably. He was like, we gotta increase these.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. These keys are fitting these locks, so we gotta make these keys bigger.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Schultz]

Willstreasure. Who would win in a fight? You right now versus you at 20 years old. I whip my ass. Ass at 20. I whip my ass at 20. I'll beat the. Out of the 20 year old me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me think. Nah, I think 20 year old me is me up because I was boxing at 20. So yeah, 20. 20 year old me is me up 100.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm definitely me up. I'm. I'm definitely stronger at this age than I was at 20, but my workouts are different.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Like, you got the grown man strength.

[Andrew Schultz]

Got the grown man strength. The way I work out is different. You know, I mean, the things I know at 40 is different. I'm fucking me up at 20. Plus I know me, so I know exactly where I do not want to get hit. You Know what I'm saying? Yeah. I would even know what to say to me to probably put a little fear in my heart, you know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a good one.

[Andrew Schultz]

Straight up at 20. I'll fuck me up, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a good one.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'll fuck me up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And whisper in my ear.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Next question. Next question to me.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'll whisper in my ear, I was a Greek and a Roman in a past life. No, no,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

no, no, no, no.

[Andrew Schultz]

Arsenal La Vega says, at what age are men allowed to just be human?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What does that mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

I know exactly what he means.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What does he mean by that?

[Andrew Schultz]

He means, at what age are men allowed to take the mask off and just be themselves and just be. We don't have to be what society says we should be as men. We don't have to follow any of that. We can just be.

[Chris]

I'm gonna say 35.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No more.

[Chris]

Higher.

[Andrew Schultz]

No.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

I think it happens in your 30s.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, I would rephrase the question a little bit, Austin. You're allowed to just be human at any point in your life. At what age are men comfortable to just be human? Is it different?

[Chris]

Or stop giving a.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, it's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think kids can. Can shake this up a little bit, but I think we're looking at 40 plus, bro.

[Chris]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Andrew Schultz]

40 plus men allow to just be comfortable being human at 40 plus. I think so.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think 35. You still in the rat race a little bit. You're still trying to, like, compete. Figure it out. Look, fly 40 and kids, you're like, man, who gives a.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's why I respect those people who find themselves at a very young age. When you find yourself at a very young age and you're comfortable with who you are and what you are, that is a very good space to be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm always skeptical of that.

[Andrew Schultz]

But I will say this. It's so funny. I was having this conversation this weekend because I was talking to somebody, and then I thought about something my daddy always said. My dad said that if a man who gets money or gets some tremendous amount of success and forgets who they are never knew who they were to begin. So I do appreciate people who knew who they were prior to any type of success, any type of fame. And you'll meet young people like this, it's usually society in the world that strips that away from the young person. Like, the person is confident, they're secure in who they are. And then they get out here and people start telling them what they're doing is Wrong. Or, you know, the way they dress is wrong, the way they think is wrong. And then you start second guessing yourself and questioning yourself, and that's when you lose it. You know what I mean? But there's people that never lose it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I respect those people wholeheartedly. And I respect the ones who lost it and got it back, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

But, yeah, I think you do get it back. Like after. After 40.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

After 40.

[Andrew Schultz]

After 40, yeah. I have no idea. VJ Dugal says going to Japan solo in May. What food spot should I visit? Anything else? Ask the Asian in the room. Chris, how many times you been to Japan?

[Chris]

Never. Andrew, I know you've been there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You got to go to the old fish market in Tokyo, have some sushi there. Go to the new one, too, because you can see actually, you know where they're, like, putting out all, like, the big tunas, and I think people bidding on it and stuff like that. But the old fish one, yes. Really incredible. You got to have Pete's out there token. Really is unbelievable.

[Andrew Schultz]

Really.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's arguably, like, one of the best Japanese, like, they've done doing their shit, so they're just perfecting other people's.

[Andrew Schultz]

So why you ain't give them props? Last week when we was talking pizza, I did. You didn't say about Japan pizza.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I did.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, you did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've always talked about Japanese. Oh, you ain't talking about Japanese.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

You've said it before. But not during the. During last week's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come now this because y' all were talking crazy, putting oxtail on pizza. They would never do something.

[Andrew Schultz]

Imagine what they doing that in Japan.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you think they're putting on there?

[Andrew Schultz]

All types of, like, what? Everything that's not the same as Chinese, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nope.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Oh, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know where you were going.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm sorry, Jeff.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I knew where you were going.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why'd you let me go?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why did you let me go?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I might have enabled it a little bit.

[Andrew Schultz]

You shouldn't have let me go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell you why.

[Andrew Schultz]

You should have stopped me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because you're my best friend, but you

[Andrew Schultz]

should have stopped me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what else is a man's best friend?

[Andrew Schultz]

A dog.

[Chris]

What is the Japanese approach to pizza? Is it like a classical approach?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think what they do is they don't do their own version of shit. They go, oh, this is your version of it. We're gonna do the best version of that.

[Chris]

Best pizza I've ever had is in Taipei, for what it's worth.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Really?

[Chris]

I think it was an outlier but it was a Sicilian guy who married a Taiwanese woman and moved to. And it was insane.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow.

[Chris]

Little nowhere spot. I couldn't believe it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Pizza.

[Chris]

Pizza.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, you go check out the pizza. I wish I knew the name of the spot, man. It's just unbelievable. And then steak. They do steak. Incredible out there. And not just wagyu. I don't even. With the wagyu like that, like, it's just too, like, fatty. And. And what is the. When something's really fatty, what is it? No, but what is the. It's too rich. Yeah. I don't like it. But if you go to a good spot out there and they got steak, run it up because it's going to be fire. And also go to one of their cocktail bars. They got great cocktails out and they, like, cut the ice with a sword. It's.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, they doing.

[Chris]

They would.

[Andrew Schultz]

They.

[Chris]

Japan would be my number one food. Stop. If I could go anywhere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're probably not wrong.

[Andrew Schultz]

I might do Japan this year while you. Bullshit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You should.

[Andrew Schultz]

I really might.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You should.

[Andrew Schultz]

What else we got? Let's do one more, man. Let's do one more. Make it a good one, man. Make it a good one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

M. Oh, that one to the right is interesting.

[Andrew Schultz]

What's that one? What's Marcus say? We'll see. Well, that is interesting. Scroll up a little bit more, Chris. I just want to read what people. Oh, God. All right, go back. All right, far.threon. if animals could talk, which one do you think would be the most racist?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ooh.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[Chris]

Coon.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A raccoon. No, that's just the name of it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Coons would be funny as shit. Coons would be like, why the fuck do y' all keep calling these sellout motherfuckers? Me? I am the fucking Malcolm X to the goddamn one. The real one. Ask about me, man. I gotta walk around with a mask on. Cause of all the revolutionary shit that I'm doing. The fuck is y' all talking about? Okay? I'm out here eating out of trash cans. Cause they won't even let me in the establishments in the motherfucking woods. Cause I'm so motherfucking revolutionary. And y' all out here calling people me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah.

[Andrew Schultz]

The fuck is wrong with y'? All?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Disrespect is.

[Andrew Schultz]

The disrespect is crazy. It's these dudes that are the motherfucking sellouts. They are okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They are all right.

[Andrew Schultz]

It ain't no motherfucking coons. Y' all should be out here Calling sellouts deers. Okay, Is you talking about they out here getting shot by the white man every other day and ain't never revolted.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We're eating their trash.

[Andrew Schultz]

You see what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Coming up on their.

[Andrew Schultz]

You see what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Taking.

[Andrew Schultz]

Attacking them if they them out of here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who's the most racist animal, man?

[Andrew Schultz]

Most racist?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Polar bears.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, the polar bears are pretty. Like white power, for sure. Why?

[Andrew Schultz]

Cuz they're so white.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, and they get the commercials. You think they're all sweet and nice, and then they're like, oh, but the dark ones is the ones you got to watch out for.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, like, dogs are low key racist already.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, you know, they just do what they're told.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nah, like, sometimes they just bark at black people, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

But they do that to white people too, if they don't know you. If, like, if I got my. If I got a dog on my property and you're just walking, they gonna bark.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think sheep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Tell me why?

[Andrew Schultz]

Because y' all be them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you got to see the wagon, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's what I'm saying. Like, like, sheep are probably like, hate white people. These racist ass, rapist ass. Like, why do they always come colonizers, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, the black people never do this to us. Us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, okay, that's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

And they're so. And they're so racist. They don't even. The black sheep, they come out here and do this. Their own. Do this to their own.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Says who? Yo, hold on, hold on. Says who?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, what if the sheep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you animals, you're not discriminating, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

What if there's a black sheep and the sheep see the white people coming? The white people are just the white sheep. They're mad because they're not fucking the black sheep. And then the white sheep go see you fucking coons. And then the coons come out of the woods and attack the fucking sheep because they're sick of this shit. They're like, sheep, y' all know better. These humans may not know fucking better, but y' all know better.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The sheep stay around like they might want it. Damn.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, yeah. What are y' all wearing? This nice wool, you know?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why you dressed like that? Like, why you dressed like that, man? You know? Shout out Peter, man. You guys are doing the Lord's work.

[Andrew Schultz]

Are they?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

Shout out to Peter.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm Scottish, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

What's the Peter CEO name?

[Chris]

Ingrid.

[Andrew Schultz]

Ingrid. Newkirk. Shout out to Ingrid. Newkirk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ingrid.

[Andrew Schultz]

I ain't heard from you in a while. Ingrid. Okay, Shout out to Ingrid.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Save the sheep. Ingrid, the sheep getting clapped. We need to save the sheep.

[Andrew Schultz]

As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, right Too. It's the brilliant podcast. Thank you for listening.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace.