A (1:43)

All.

B (1:44)

A couple of weeks ago, before Andrew left for Australia, we had a visitor. My guy Nor E, the host of the Drink Champs podcast with DJ EFN that is partnered with the Black Effect Podcast Network. That's actually one of our first partnerships. When we launched the Black Effect Podcast Network, we launched with Drink Champs and now Nori has his own network, the Drink Champs Network in conjunction with Black Effect and iHeart. The first show is the Memphis Bleak. Rock solid podcast with other shows to come. And so Nori was up here to talk about that and plus tell stories as only Nori can do. So I'm gonna get out the way and then we're gonna throw to that episode. That works, right? I think that's a fair compromise. You know for those of y' all who've been missing Hezi, Hezzy's on this episode. Nori. For all the Drink Champs fans, a.

A (2:33)

Very introspective Nori, I would say, too. I think so. Yeah.

B (2:37)

He actually told some stories I'd never heard before.

A (2:39)

Yeah.

B (2:39)

So let's get into it. Brewing Idiots. Drink champs. N oie. Yep. Charlamagne. Tha God, Andrew Schultz. We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. And today's guest is a hip hop legend, a media mogul, and one of the most entertaining voices in hip hop culture. From Queens to Drink Champs. He's given us classic records and classic interviews. Make some noise for N O R.

A (3:02)

E.

B (3:08)

How are you, my brother?

A (3:09)

I'm hanging in there, man. I'm having a second part of my life. Well, maybe the third part. And I just, you know, came here for to do the New York Road Runners pod show. And if people don't know what the New York Road Runners is, that's the people who control the marathon. And I, for years, been jogging, but a lot of people didn't know that, and I was hiding it. And now I realize that there's a whole society of maniac people that's like me, and I have to hang with them now.

B (3:41)

Why were you hiding the jargon, North?

A (3:43)

I don't want to say I was hiding it. It's just I wasn't putting it to the forefront. And then I remember, you know, Shaffer from Roc Nation and Schaefer, he's a ginger. Yeah.

B (3:53)

Ginger's a black, by the way.

A (3:54)

Yeah, I heard that. I heard that. I heard that.

B (3:56)

Salute the ginger.

A (3:56)

And it was a black woman who.

B (3:57)

Made that up, too, right? Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (4:00)

So let's salute her. But he told me, he warned me. He said, once you start entering races, it's gonna change for you. So I went to Maui, we went to Puerto Rico, we went to Naples, we went to Tampa with Brett Kreisner and Tom Sarah Ra. You know, I don't know how to pronounce nobody's word. And Jelly Roll. And, you know, I fucked up to his name. My bad. My bad. Jelly Roll. We ran with his race, talking about.

B (4:26)

Brett Chrysler, the comedian.

A (4:27)

Yes.

C (4:28)

Bert Chrysler and Tom Burt Chrysler.

B (4:29)

Okay, got you.

C (4:34)

No, they do a two bears, five.

A (4:37)

K. Yeah, got you. So it's a run, and I did it twice. I came early. I ran it as like. I don't. I don't want to say as a regular person, but I ran it as like I wanted to see all his vendors. I wanted to know the promoters. I wanted to. I wanted to, for lack of a better term, take this and what is considered, like, a white world, right? And how do I bring this into my world? How do I take this and promote health and wellness to my people, Right? I'm one of the coolest people on the planet, right? Facts, right?

B (5:10)

So.

A (5:11)

So how do I do that? How do I do that without. Without losing my cool? Right? How do I still. And so I figured it out.

C (5:17)

I idea you do, like, a 5k run.

A (5:21)

I did one. Go ahead.

C (5:22)

No, no, I'm saying for, like, the black community. But we'll have police running behind you.

A (5:27)

Oh, no, no. We did that already. We did that already.

B (5:31)

He can't help us.

A (5:31)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (5:32)

Andrew shows. Can't.

A (5:33)

We almost gone.

B (5:34)

They're fast.

A (5:37)

You know what's the funny part is Bert. When I went to Bert's race, we were the only black people in the whole race. He did. No, in Bert's race. Oh. When I say in race, I mean race, not race. Okay. So when I get there, he gets on the mic and he goes, nori, thank you, man. And I go, what do you mean? He goes, thank you for bringing all the black people.

B (6:03)

No, it was 18 of us.

A (6:05)

You know, I travel with you all day. Yeah. So he said that, and then. And then I believe him. And Tom ran with us because I told you, I did it twice. The second time, I did it, Tom and him. And Tom was like, man, this feels like the Million Man March.

B (6:21)

The most interesting thing, though, you're actually losing weight. Like when you walked in today and I just saw you a couple weeks ago, I'm like, God damn, Norik, what are you down?

C (6:28)

How much weight?

A (6:29)

I think I'm 45 pounds.

C (6:31)

Wow.

A (6:31)

You know, I kind of did that in front of people's faces, and people paid attention to my hair. I kind of did that on purpose. Cause people think that my hair is fake. But you got a hair. It really is. I'm Puerto Rican, man. Like, and I got good hair, too. You know what I mean?

B (6:44)

So Jelly Roll lost a lot of weight, too.

A (6:46)

Jelly Roll because of running.

C (6:47)

It's amazing.

A (6:47)

Yes, yes. Running. Running is. Running is addictive. Once you see the results. Yeah. Like, so I understand if a person started running and then stopped. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you could get a weight, and then within a week, you'll see a muscle. You'll be like, oh, okay. You know, you ain't gonna do that with running. Running is Gonna take some time. It takes dedication. I see you had the recovery shoes.

C (7:11)

Oh, yeah. You seen those?

A (7:12)

How the fuck did you get those?

C (7:13)

We have some connections.

A (7:14)

Okay. All right.

B (7:15)

What are the recovery shoes?

C (7:16)

I'll get them in here.

A (7:17)

Yeah.

B (7:17)

Yo, so.

A (7:18)

All right.

C (7:19)

Ask him to bring.

A (7:19)

Are you a runner? Do you run?

C (7:21)

I used to run. My dad used to run marathons, too.

A (7:23)

Oh, really? Okay.

C (7:24)

I used to do running when I was boxing. It was, like, the only form of car.

A (7:27)

That's what I do. I do running in that boxing. But what I'm trying to tell you is you have to be some type of running geek to even know that.

C (7:33)

Yeah.

A (7:34)

Yeah. So you. You. You're in. You ain't fooling me, buddy.

B (7:36)

You know what's so funny about Enos? Like, you know, people watch drink champs, and you'll hear people be like, oh, man, that's such an unhealthy lifestyle. But I'm like, ever since I known Eno, he'll be hitting me in the morning. Like, I'm up there. I'm working out, jogging like, every morning like clockwork, listening to the Breakfast Club, jogging in the morning for years.

A (7:55)

Listen, I had to stop because I realized I might be stalking them. Like, because, you know, this is my friend, and. And they're sitting there talking. Let's say they're talking to. To anybody, and I'll comment on it. I'm like. As if I was there. Like, I'll be like. Because that's how much it is. That's how good the show is. I'm saying that behind your back and in front of your face is. I literally watch it. Yo, those are so dope, bro. So these are recovery shoes.

B (8:19)

Why are they recovery shoes?

A (8:20)

So this is crazy. Go, go, go, go. Yeah. So this. These are supposed to be, like. You're supposed to run these strenuous miles and come in here, and I believe they. They do something, and it's hyperice technology.

C (8:30)

So I think they just cool it, right?

A (8:32)

Oh, wow. I've never used it.

C (8:33)

It's like wrapping your whole feet in.

A (8:35)

Ice, and it's a compression and compression.

B (8:37)

Oh, so you don't wear them. You just put them on after you.

C (8:39)

Stop inflammation, after you do a huge workout.

A (8:41)

Right.

C (8:41)

But you can still walk around and, like, if you needed to do work, if you needed.

A (8:45)

Really? Oh, you can walk with these. Put them on.

C (8:47)

What size are you?

A (8:48)

No, no, no, I'm going to put them on.

C (8:49)

Nobody wore them yet.

A (8:50)

Okay. All right, cool. Shit. I'm gonna put them on and leave them Nah, that's okay. But, yeah, those are dope. But what I'm trying to tell you is, if you're on that level, you're doing 10 more miles. Cause those, like, $900, right?

C (9:04)

Sure.

A (9:04)

Yeah. They like. They like a man. Yeah. So you're not buying this being a fake runner, you know what I mean? Yeah.

B (9:13)

But you know the other interesting thing I saw today, man? I see the baby carriage in here. I don't know whose baby it is. Nori's like, yo, you want to meet my grandson, right? Wow.

A (9:24)

So dope, man. So such a dope.

B (9:26)

From pushing dope in the streets of New York to pushing the baby cab.

A (9:32)

Yes, yes, that. That.

B (9:33)

How does that feel to be a grandfather?

A (9:36)

One of the best feelings in the world. You know, I kind of wanted a new baby. My wife was like, nope.

C (9:49)

Oh, you wanted another kid?

A (9:50)

I did. And my wife was like, nope. And I think she's coming around now. But then I got my grandson, and I'm like, this is even better.

C (9:58)

Yeah.

A (9:59)

No responsibility.

B (9:59)

Is it really all the love? I mean, kind of.

A (10:02)

Because you see, like, you know.

B (10:03)

But your grandson looks like you.

A (10:04)

He does.

B (10:05)

Yep.

A (10:06)

And he makes my faces to me like, there's no way I'm gonna tell that man no to anything. Like, to any. Like, I know already. Like, he's gonna have a Rolex at fucking three years old. Like, I already know. Like, he's like. Cause it's like, that's dope. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? And, you know, my son is. That's his first son, so I feel like I got more experience than him, so I'm still teaching him how to parent. But I'm also saying, damn, you know, I'm learning to be a papa. Like, how cool is that?

B (10:39)

When you're young, you're not even 50.

A (10:40)

47. That's right.

B (10:41)

Yes.

A (10:42)

And I'll be 48 this year.

B (10:43)

Makes you wonder how old our grandparents were. Whoa. You know what I'm saying? I was doing the math in my head this time. Like, yo, my grandmother died at 81. I was like, 29.

A (10:53)

Wow.

B (10:53)

So she was, like, 50 when I came into the world, maybe. Wow.

A (10:57)

Yo. Like that. Wow. Yeah. But, yeah, I'm definitely enjoying it. He got to spend the night with me. I'm gonna give his them a break, and I want him to come chill with me for, like, a week in Miami. And he's a flirt, though.

B (11:15)

He can get away with it.

A (11:16)

Yo, I'm telling him about nobody gonna Me too.

B (11:18)

A baby.

A (11:18)

I'm in front. I'm in front of Juice Bar. That's Justin Bieber. Yeah, I'm in front of juice Bar. And guys is coming up to him and he's like. But then the girls come up to him. He's like.

B (11:31)

How do you know?

A (11:32)

It's. How do you know?

B (11:35)

Yeah.

A (11:35)

So his name is Naziah just in case.

B (11:38)

Naziah.

A (11:39)

Naziah.

B (11:40)

Cause that sounds like somebody mixed Nas and Az together.

A (11:43)

No, damn, that's ill. I didn't know that. Well, my son's name is Isaiah and all of my other kids names start with an n. So, you know, Nakai, Naseem, Noah. So we figured we'd keep the tradition and name him after his own father, which is Isaiah, but not Isaiah, because he's part of the clan. Yeah, dope. Yeah, dope.

B (12:06)

What an amazing life, man. I want to talk about Nori on Pusha getting mad at Pharrell for Drake. Comments on drink champs. I didn't ask you this. When you was on Breakfast Club. You didn't talk about this. This is from bootleg Cab. Swoop Talk guy.

C (12:21)

Shout out to him, man.

B (12:22)

Pusha T. This is the headline on X. Pusha T checked Nori after Pharrell.

A (12:27)

Showed love to Drake, let's be Pharrell on the show. That's the first time I ever heard Pusha T raise his voice. And I said to Pharrell, Pusha T or Drake? And he said, both, man. Push your T. I don't know if I'm supposed to say this, Pusher.

B (12:45)

I'm sorry, man.

A (12:48)

Thank you for playing. How the is our boy doing this? How's he doing that? How does he fucking pick? He says, both of us. Drake wouldn't have picked both of us. Drake would have picked him. And I'm like, pusher. This is the one time I'm shutting the up. I'm gonna let you vent. Cause I have no.

B (13:04)

You know.

A (13:05)

But it's real. That's. I say that to say that's how much of a. A human Pharrell is. You know what I'm saying? Like, good guy. He's a human guy. Like, he told me for years, he was like, nori, don't do no crime in front of me. I was like, who the thinks like that? I'm not doing no crime in front of you. He said, because I'm gonna tell you.

B (13:24)

I think that's my favorite interview you guys ever did.

A (13:27)

You don't even want to take a now later from him after that. Like, yo, wait a Minute. Like, he literally told me that from the beginning. Our very first time I ever encountered with Pharrell, he sung me the whole bloody money. True.

B (13:39)

Really?

A (13:39)

New York getting love. He knew it word for word. And then soon as he finished, he said, but I don't have a thug bone in my body. And I gave him a hug, and I respected that. And I never expected any thug to come from him ever.

B (13:55)

Why did he call you yelling at you? Why wouldn't he call it Pharrell?

A (13:58)

Because it happened on my show.

B (13:59)

Yeah, but I hate when people do that.

A (14:02)

You're not responsible for that. Well, Pusha did address this. He did address this on complex, and he said, why would I reveal this conversation? So the truth be told is, again, me revealing this conversation, I'm thinking I'm big and push her up. Like, I'm thinking, like. Cause, you know, for years, you know, you work with people and you don't see too much emotions, right? And like. Like, to flip the question around, had Pharrell been asked the same thing and said, yo, Nori or prodigy, I wouldn't have called pusher and been like, yo, why would Pharrell just throw away? They would have said nori or mystical. Because, you know, those are, like, two people that he worked with early. He picked mystical or. Or he said both. I wouldn't have called Pusha because I feel like Pharrell is just. He's that safe environment. Whenever you pick a thought, he's not picking. He's that safe environment. Now, when Pusha called me and said that, I thought it was honorable. I didn't think that there was nothing wrong with that. I thought it was like, he was like, yo, man. And I said, drake on that interview, I just said, pharrell couldn't pick between Drake or Pusha T. But Pharrell, Pharrell, Drake would have said. I said. That's what I said. I said Drake would have picked. What you call it. But what was said was 40 would have picked Drake. Like, you know what I'm saying? If this same interview was like, 40 would have picked.

C (15:28)

What you were trying to say is that the producer should always pick the artist that they produce.

A (15:32)

No, your camp. You should. You should always pick your camp. It's Charlemagne before everybody. You know what I mean? Y' all partners in a great way. You know what I'm saying? So.

C (15:42)

So Pharrell didn't do that. And that's what.

A (15:43)

Pharrell didn't do that. And by the way, to me, so I think push was like, yo, why did Nori say that conversation? First off? I did not. I did not think that was off the record. Because there's a famous person called another famous person about another famous person that argue about the most famous person on the planet. It's not like you and Drake had a private fight. Yeah, y' all was in the schoolyard.

C (16:06)

Yeah, that's true.

B (16:07)

Y' all came out to school.

A (16:08)

Y' all invited everybody after three come downstairs. Yeah.

B (16:13)

So this is not a right.

A (16:15)

So. But as a man. As a man, if. Cause I know when that conversation, like from the era. I say this a lot, but I'm saying this now. From 4am to 2pm There is nobody on earth sharper than me. 4am I don't know what happens at the 2pm I don't know. I don't know. It's just stupid.

B (16:36)

That's what Democrats used to say about President Biden. 4:00am the 2:00pm he's sharp. The sharpest.

A (16:41)

Well, Biden, you just got back in my book then.

B (16:43)

If Biden do that, then you back you back in my good Grick. I hated you, Biden.

A (16:46)

I'm sorry. Joe Biden, Yeah, I hated him. But so I remember everything. Like, I remember this conversation almost word for word. And I remember at one time in the conversation with him, I said, yo, this is off the record. I said, yo, by the way, this is between me and you. And I feel like that's a universal man language. Like, when you're saying something like, if I say, yo, Andrew, don't call me back. You supposed to be like, andrew, why you don't call Nori back? But if I say, yo, between me and you, Andrew, don't call me back. You're not supposed to say nothing to Andrew.

B (17:20)

And I'll be like, well, I'm gonna holler at him for you.

A (17:21)

And 1 million percent I respect Pusha T. I respect malice. I respect Chad. I respect Rob Walker. I respect Pharrell. I respect all of them. I respect them enough way too much to ever reveal anything. So I didn't think that was me blowing it up. Now, the other things that we spoke about in that conversation, had I said something like that, I would have been in violation. But, you know, as a man, I didn't think I violated.

B (17:48)

I still feel like he should have called Pharrell, though.

A (17:50)

No, he. He. He said he did. Yeah.

B (17:52)

Don't call you.

A (17:52)

So he said. He said. He said that I made it seem like it was just me, and that's not how I made it seem. I. It Was you just. You did just call me. You didn't say, yo, I'm calling Pharrell or whatever. So. So I'm just taking my part of the conversation.

B (18:04)

Got you.

A (18:04)

But he said that he went. He went to Pharrell and he did it. And by the way, like, I'm not into that violation. You know how many conversations we had and it's been off the record, and these conversations would never come out. I'm not press for press. You know what I'm saying? I'm not, you know, I'm doing a press one. Cause I want to. I'm out here because, you know, we got Memphis Bleak out here doing phenomenal rock solid podcast.

B (18:29)

Rock solid podcast.

A (18:30)

We got drink champs coming out every week still doing what we doing. Uh, we got. We got. We got the. The running thing that I'm doing. We got the healthy high. We got the watch stalkers, you know, that I'm throwing out on. On the drink champs network. So I have so much things to talk about other than anybody else.

B (18:45)

I just find it interesting. And this is a pet peeve of mine, you know, being a media personality all these years. Don't blame me for what somebody else says.

A (18:53)

I don't like that. I don't like it. Don't come in like that.

B (18:56)

Don't got nothing. If I ask a question and they give an answer about you, take it to them. Don't come to me and say, why'd you ask that question? Cause that's my job.

A (19:05)

And I'm gonna tell you something. It's. It's like I learned that if I have somebody diss. Like if I have you diss Andrew on my record, you know why that's co signing? I'm gonna tell you why that's co signing.

B (19:17)

Oh, bring that up. Cause I asked. I asked pushing about that the other day.

A (19:20)

I'm gonna tell you why that's co signing. Because on an interview, you do the interview, you pretty much can erase it or you could pretty much just leave it in there. When you do a record, you gotta lay that verse 10 times. Yeah, you knew you wanted to do it. You knew you gotta lay that verse 10 times.

B (19:36)

It wasn't a free song.

A (19:37)

You gotta mix it. You gotta master it. So you knew that these words are horrible towards your friend or whoever it is. So that's different. That's co signing. That actually is co signing. You know, it's funny.

B (19:50)

So what's the proper etiquette? Like when Foxy dissed Lil Kim on Bang Bang.

A (19:56)

I wish don't get it twisted. I wish I still worked with Foxy. I wish I still had that relationship with Foxy. But if I had a chance to do it all over, I would not have used that verse.

B (20:06)

Really, I would.

A (20:07)

And I felt like, again, this was a learning process. I felt like at the time she was asking us and now I could be wrong. I said. I felt like this is that. She was like, yo, you know, Lil Kim just dissed me on Mobb Deep record. Why wouldn't I come back on? You know, because we were known to, like, have, like, little problems with Mobb Deep at that time. And I guess she put her ear to the street. But what little Kim record, she just. Quiet song.

B (20:35)

Oh, shit. That wasn't around the same time. Yeah, that shit feel like right after.

A (20:39)

It was right after it. Damn.

B (20:41)

So.

A (20:41)

And I remember. I remember seeing Puff.

B (20:44)

Cause, oh, that's why Foxy go, hot damn hole. Here we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (20:48)

So. So, no, no, the hot damn hole.

B (20:50)

Here we go.

A (20:50)

Was.

B (20:50)

Was Kim. And then Foxy did it on Bang Bang.

A (20:52)

Yeah, yeah, Foxy. Something like that. But I remember Puff seeing me and going, hey, man, why'd you let that bitch dis me on your record? And I'm like. Cause that's the first time I've, like, realized that other people get mad at you for what other people said about them. And I was, like, shocked. And he just like, fuck that shit, man. Just go get money. I was like, all right, cool. I was like, all right, cool.

B (21:20)

So, yeah, but.

A (21:22)

But definitely when it comes to that, I didn't.

C (21:27)

Any other Puffy stories.

A (21:28)

I got a lot before we can say.

B (21:30)

Would you have let Fox. Would you have regretted it if y'.

A (21:33)

All.

B (21:33)

Because, you know, I don't know if this generation knows it was a whole shootout behind.

A (21:37)

Yeah, I regret it, allegedly. Yeah.

B (21:39)

No, it's not. I wasn't there.

A (21:40)

I mean.

C (21:40)

Yeah, you weren't there. I wasn't there, but this was at Hot 97.

A (21:43)

Yeah, I wasn't there.

C (21:44)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you weren't there.

A (21:45)

I was not there, but there are.

C (21:46)

People there, and I. I heard. Not you.

A (21:48)

I heard definitely. I don't know who, but I heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (21:51)

Was that. That was. Was that Junior Mocket versus Murder Unit?

A (21:55)

No. Yeah, yeah. Basically.

B (21:57)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (21:58)

Well, for those.

A (21:59)

And, you know, we're all cool now, so. We're all cool now. Did anybody get hit? Yeah, but I don't. I didn't know the guy. Yeah.

C (22:08)

So did he live?

A (22:09)

Yeah, he got. It was A.

B (22:11)

Well, that's somebody on their side.

A (22:13)

I don't even know. You're here on positive energy right now.

B (22:23)

We've all grown and learned and shit like that. I just find it interesting.

C (22:26)

If only he was in a running club.

A (22:28)

Yeah.

B (22:30)

He should have zigzagged. But I just find it interesting when people try to put the blame on the interviewer or even the person on the record. To me, if somebody disses somebody on somebody's record, you. That shouldn't even hold you accountable.

A (22:42)

But you know what?

C (22:43)

I get that.

A (22:44)

But it does, though. It does.

C (22:46)

I wouldn't let somebody talk crazy about you on my pod.

A (22:48)

And if they did, I would check them, right? Or. You know what I mean? Or you got to understand, maybe if you call this person to say, yo, this guy won't change this verse. It depends on your relationship. Like, when Little Kim. I didn't. I didn't know Little. I met her, but I didn't know her. But I knew Cez. And, you know, I don't know. A lot of people don't know this, but Biggie wanted to sign Capone. What? Biggie wanted to sign Capone. Let me just tell you something. If Biggie would have signed Capone, me and you probably never met. Wow. Because I couldn't have stood in front of that. I couldn't have been like, yo, beside me too. Like, I couldn't have did that.

B (23:28)

But before cnn.

A (23:29)

No, we are cnn. We go into the radio station. Biggie got the cherry red land. What is it? The Land Cruiser. Oh, I forget. And he goes. He acts like y' all something. And I think I asked him, yo, Juicy's my favorite record man, like such and such. And I think I actually had Big rhyme. Juicy, I'm not. Don't hold me to this. To this. I have to ask upon this. But then he was like, yo, y' all rhyme. And. And Capone was like, yeah. And I was so nervous that I don't even think I said, yeah. I think I was just like, fuck, I speak. And Capone killed this verse. Whatever verse Capone said. He grabbed Capone, he gave him his number, he brung him in the car. I was still out. I was like, damn, with the puss face, you know, the sour face. Like, no, I can talk. You took a sour pat skin. I'm like, oh, God, my man is about to blow up. But all I did was be supportive. I was just like, yo, you know what? If Big, this is the. Arguably the biggest person on the planet, if Big wants to break Up CNN and take him home. I can't stand.

B (24:43)

Was the war report out?

A (24:44)

War report was not out.

B (24:45)

Oh, so y' all wasn't even. Was y' all signed?

A (24:47)

Nah, we was not signed. That's why it was possible. And I remember Trash.

B (24:51)

Why was you at the radio station?

A (24:52)

Cause we were. We were just freestyling for like Stretch Armstrong or something like that. Like, we were underground and pick up the Stretch Armstrong and Barbido, by the way. So. Yeah, so it had big sign because Pon would have left me. I'm just letting you know he was not coming back and hitting me. I'm just being honest.

B (25:09)

Why didn't it happen?

A (25:11)

I forget. I forget. I believe. I don't want to blame Trash on this, but there was something to do with that. And then you know what wound up happening? Biggie put a Capone in Junior Mafia. A Capone? You don't remember that? You don't remember that? I don't remember. That was the name.

B (25:31)

It was another.

A (25:32)

Yep. But boy.

C (25:34)

Oh, it was close.

A (25:36)

Oh, yeah, yeah.

C (25:38)

So.

A (25:41)

I would have been bowed out. There's nothing I could have did.

B (25:43)

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A (28:17)

Can I ask one question from that era that I've always wanted to ask you? Let's go. This was probably 20 something years ago. I was up at Violator and you were up there and you played. I believe you called it. What? What? The movie.

B (28:29)

Oh, yeah.

A (28:30)

It was like a documentary. It was one of the best things I'd ever seen. It was incredible. Yes. Did you ever do anything with that? You know, that's a great question, by the way. And what.

B (28:41)

What? The documentary.

A (28:43)

I mean, this is how I recall it. Yes. You were just. I think you said you did it with Ted Demi.

B (28:47)

Damn, your memory is. No, really.

A (28:50)

That's my story. Yeah. It really stuck with me. And you just had all this incredible, like backstage. I still got it. I still got it. Still got it. So. I don't know. It was crazy.

B (29:00)

It was like a reality show.

A (29:02)

Just clip after. You can look it up up online. It's called.

B (29:05)

What?

A (29:05)

What? The trailer. Okay. So back then. I don't know. I kind of like always. I don't want to say ahead of my time. Like I'm on myself. But I am, right? So I'm filming when no one is filming. Like, I'm filming and I'm filming Chris Lighty. Like I have when Jewel Santana. When Cam got Jewel Santana and he brung him to Def Jam or he brung him to Rockefeller. That footage, I have that of him walking in Busta Rhymes talking and Jewel Santana just rhyming, you know, off top. Jewels is the illest dude. Like you. Like, whoa. Cam is ill, Jim is ill. But then when Juels came and he just walks in the office and he just starts going crazy in front of Chris Lighty. We had someone smoking a blunt. Uh huh. I remember somebody. You had some. All of us were smoking. Let me tell you how unexperienced I was. So I had to call people who I had relationships with, right? I called 50 Cent, Fat Joe, Meth, Bleak, and Cam' Ron all at the same time. The fact that they were all being rappers, they missed each other, but I had them all. What you mean? Because I invited them all at the same time. Like the idiot that I am. Like, brilliant idiot, right? I was a brilliant idiot, but they were rappers. So Joe came and then 50 came. But had they seen each other at that time, it would have been like I put them in that position. And I wasn't even thinking like that. I'm thinking this when they was beefing, this when everybody was beefing. Remember 50 had just did how to Rob. And then I forget what the Rockefeller and Dipset thing was. But then Joe with 50 and all this. So I had them all, and I actually filmed them all the same.

B (31:12)

Oh. Cause 50 had said that shit about pun on how to pop.

A (31:17)

So that's that. And let me get to the point of that. Ted Demi, who was my man, you know, he used to do Yo, MTV Raps. Chris Lighty says to me, listen. He looks at the footage, he says, stop filming. And I go, what the hell? He's like, you're doing great. But I can tell it's you filming. Let's go hire a real production crew. So he flies me out, we go to. This is a great story. We go to Ted Demi's studio. Ted Demi has me waiting for like 10 minutes, then he comes out. He comes out and he has this guy with him and they go on the ping pong table and he throws down some coke. I'm like, this Hollywood shit is too fast for me. Like, hold on, hold on. Y' all don't wanna ask me, do I do that shit? Like, he comes down, he sniffs a line. This other guy sniffs a line. But they have a mirror. And, you know, we black people, we don't like to make eye contact with people who doing that shit. Right? We, like, act like we don't know. Like, we're all in.

C (32:32)

It makes you an accomplishment.

A (32:34)

So I look closer and it's. What's my man that played in Blow?

C (32:41)

Oh, Johnny Depp.

B (32:42)

It's fucking Johnny Depp. So they're sitting there, he was acting.

A (32:47)

I had no idea they promoting Blow to me.

B (32:49)

Yeah, he promoted them raw. So they like this. They like, yo, did we get you?

A (32:52)

And I'm like, what do you mean? And they're like, you know, did you think we was really sniffing coke? I was like, yeah, man. I was already texting that shit.

B (33:03)

I went to Twitter, whatever Twitter was back then, MySpace.

A (33:07)

I talked to him.

B (33:07)

I went through 21 Jump Street. He's doing a lot already.

A (33:10)

And he's like, yo, no, this is our new movie.

B (33:12)

This is our new movie, bro.

A (33:14)

And, you know, because he had, like, a little bit of makeup on, so you couldn't really tell it was him. Da da. But I was just like, holy shit. But I was a dead serious. We were all. All my boys was in the same thing. We were texting, like, whatever.

B (33:26)

Text was back to me like, yo, what the fuck? Like, yo.

A (33:30)

Then one of us was like, is that Johnny Depp? And one of us was like. One guy was like, hey, man, listen, don't judge me, man, but I might. I'm gonna get in on this. Like, holy shit. Come to find out if it's fake coke. It was a fake. He was trying to ask me like. Cause that was. Their promotional items was a mirror. And he was like, yo, does this read? Like, would the hood read this? And I was like, I don't know, man. I'm just not. I'm not the guy that asked that.

B (33:57)

Why they care about the hood. Yes. He worried about Wall Street.

C (34:00)

Yeah.

A (34:01)

Hey, he didn't ask me about Wall Street.

B (34:04)

I would have gladly answered for Wall Street.

A (34:06)

I'd have been like, yes. But noi.

B (34:08)

That still don't tell us what happened with the documentary.

A (34:09)

So Ted Demi died.

B (34:11)

So. Yeah.

A (34:14)

That's not funny. That's the way you said, oh, my bad, my bad.

B (34:19)

No, Rest in peace, Ted Dem. Us.

A (34:22)

I wasn't laughing at him.

B (34:23)

Now it's the way Nor said it. He just forgot about what he was. What happened to Ty Got like. I didn't know how to.

A (34:34)

Actually.

B (34:34)

They. They say that.

A (34:35)

They say that because he was in a basketball game, and he had a heart attack.

B (34:38)

Damn.

A (34:38)

Wow. Yeah. So, like, me and him were so. Yeah, my bad. Me and him were so attached, and, like, we grew real close in those couple of months, and then Ted Demi passed away, and then Chris Lighty passed away, and it was just like, damn. Like, this project had, like. It was like, a little haunted.

B (34:55)

Oh, is the footage. Is the footage. Is it done?

A (34:56)

Not edited? No, no, it's not edited, but I got the raw footage. I have.

B (35:00)

Oh, you gotta do something with that.

A (35:01)

The raw footage. Hell, yeah. But, you know, that's, like, with me. Like, I didn't deal with, like, back then. I didn't deal with death accordance. I didn't deal with it like a normal human being. I would like to try to ignore it, and it would really hurt me. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I never really mourned for my father. I never really mourned for Pun. Pun was my real, real friend. Like, me and Pun used to call Fat Joe the fun police. Really? Yeah. Like, we. That's how much. Because Joe was very, very. He. He's going to drink 1500 Diet Pepsis. He's. But he's. He's not going to smoke. He's not going to drink. He'll drink if me and his wife, like, force him. Like, oh, no. But he's not that guy. And that's how. I'm just saying that to say that's how close me and Pun was. And when he passed away, like, I didn't take it well.

B (35:49)

So what'd you do?

A (35:50)

I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember. I just know that it's very, like, still to this day, like, I can't really. When it's punished, like, you know, his birthday, you know, I try to celebrate, but, you know, I never celebrate his death date. And I'm just not. That's my first rap friend. Like, he's my first rap friend. He's my first.

B (36:13)

How'd y' all get close? Where y' all meet?

A (36:15)

We met in Unique studios, ironically. It's the first day I met Joe, too. Joe was supposed to be on Capone and Oriega's album. He's supposed to be on Channel 10. Buck Wild produced it. So we figured, we have a Bronx producer. Let's get a Bronx guy. And Joe never did it, but Joe brung Pun to the studio. And I remember Joe walking in and just was like, yo, which one of y' all got shot? And I was like, I thought that Was the worst first entrance answer to any relationship I've ever had. Like, which one of y' all got shot? And then Capone, he's like. And he's like, I got shot, too. And they had some shot story. Hey, I got shot here. This is horrible, guys. Like Kimmy. And then Juan looked at me and he goes, yo, you Puerto Rican, right? And I'm like, yeah. He's like, so take the ice grill off, papi. Cause me and you gonna be friends. And I thought that was hilarious. I was just. Holy shit.

C (37:07)

He told me, you want some tough guy shit.

A (37:08)

I mean, like, this guy just walked in and asked, who got shot?

C (37:11)

Yeah.

A (37:12)

That was not the first.

C (37:13)

Do you remember the first time you heard the Dead in the middle of Little Italy bar?

A (37:19)

Do I remember the first time? No. But I remember me saying that this guy is a problem.

C (37:23)

It's. That bar is insane.

B (37:26)

Dead in the middle of Little Italy. Little did we know every riddle. The middleman who didn't do diddly.

A (37:31)

And let me. I'll tell you what's crazy about pun that a lot of people don't know. Pun used to rhyme sitting down.

C (37:37)

Oh, we know.

A (37:37)

He used to bring a whole couch in the booth. And for him to hold his breath like that and to like.

C (37:45)

That's a great point.

A (37:45)

That's a.

C (37:46)

You would get to have the breath control, but also be probably asthmatic because you're so overweight.

A (37:50)

Yes. Because you got to remember when you're sitting down, that energy is going downwards. That's why people lay vocals and they stand up.

C (37:57)

You're right.

A (37:58)

You know what I mean? So for him to still have that energy sitting down and still be able to deliver that breath control, it was amazing. Like, it was amazing. Like, what? I didn't. I didn't know he was that ill until he passed away. God bless.

B (38:09)

Oh, really?

A (38:10)

I mean, I knew he was ill, but when I went back and I was like, you know, we were competition. Like, it's hard to look at somebody even though he's your friend. It's hard to see their greatness when you're competing with them. Like, you know, it's a secret competition regardless. Like, I don't care. I don't care what anybody says.

B (38:25)

Y' all were really competing because it's like, yo, you were on his album. He was on your album.

A (38:29)

Like, I mean, cam corrupt. It was. It was that era. That era was my favorite era.

B (38:36)

Oh, yeah, that was the. What was that? The Source magazine. Source magazine. Next generation of hip hop. It was you dmx. Silk, Shocker, Silver, Corrupt, Shock.

A (38:45)

Yep. So that was my favorite era. Like, that's my favorite year of My Life, 1998. But it's also one of the worst years of my life. My father passed away, son passed away. So I had the bittersweet. And like I said, I never mourned. I remember Chris Lighty coming to see me when my father passed. And Chris Lighty's like, yo, I'm taking care of the funeral, everything, but your father would still want you to stay on this tour. And I was like. And I stood on the tour. And I think that that was the best advice for me. But I was supposed to come home and deal with it. Yeah. I just kept. I just kept working. I was burying myself with work. Yeah. Until I started to realize, like, man, you're not over this shit at all. And then Pun I could, like. I mean, Pun I could never get over with. Because whenever I see somebody, you know, Latin or whatever, they always say, yo, Pun, or something. And I'm like, oh, okay, man. You know? Because they kind of know.

B (39:39)

I'm gonna tell you, the illness shit I've seen recently with Puerto Ricans. I've been to Madison Square Garden, okay, For comedy shows. I've been to Madison Square Garden for concerts. I've been to Madison Square Garden for boxing matches. That must have been Friday night. This past. A couple Fridays ago, I went to go see Amanda Serrano vs. Katie Taylor at the Garden show up. I've never felt the Garden like that. Puerto Ricans had that shit on tilt.

A (40:10)

I mean, I gotta master this Puerto Rican story, too, okay?

B (40:12)

I thought it was fights breaking out in the crowd. Cause they were just so loud and just making these noises and these chants. And then you look up and they was just waving the flag for no reason. Yo, that shit was crazy. And when, yo, the love that the Puerto Rican community shows people. When I walked in that shit, it was like. I was like, am I Puerto Rican? It didn't know.

A (40:37)

We accept you. We good people. We accept you.

C (40:40)

It was unbelievable, brother. There was a. I think this generation, like, younger kids. There hasn't been, like, a dominant Puerto Rican fighter in a while. But our generation grew up with the Miguel Cotos, the Tito Trinidads. So, like, we got. I remember being at the Garden for Tito Trinidad versus William Joppy. I don't know if you guys remember that fight.

A (40:59)

I don't remember that one, bro. It was. I don't even know if they were.

C (41:03)

Watching a fight, bro. There was.

A (41:04)

Guys, yes.

B (41:06)

I don't know if they were watching.

C (41:07)

It was like a barbecue.

B (41:09)

It was like a lookout, bro.

C (41:10)

They had a Puerto Rican flag. I had a Puerto Rican flag that was like 6ft tall and then maybe, like 20ft wide. These guys were running around the whole Garden. You don't even have tickets to access these parts of the Garden. And they're just circling the whole garden. People spend $100 for a ticket. They just looking at the back of a flag for the whole round.

A (41:27)

They didn't care.

C (41:28)

The whole Garden, bro.

B (41:29)

That's how it looks Friday. Everywhere you looked, it was a Puerto Rican flag. I'm watching the fight. And, like, you know how you watch the fighting when it's like, something happens? Everybody go, ooh. So the crowd would be making this. Oh, you like? What the fuck just happened?

A (41:42)

Somebody tied their shoelace.

B (41:43)

That's.

C (41:45)

Boxing isn't what it was.

A (41:46)

Yeah.

C (41:47)

In our generation. Simply because there's not a dominant Puerto Rican fighter. If you.

A (41:52)

I like that.

C (41:53)

If you bring back a dominant Puerto Rican. I mean, think about Bernard Hopkins versus Trinidad. Think about the buildup of that fight. When Hopkins is in Puerto Rico, he steps on the flag, and you got the fans that are swinging on a professional boxer. They're not shooting them, they're not stabbing them. They trying to throw hands with the guy who's one of the best in the world.

B (42:12)

So y' all got Berlonga?

A (42:14)

Yeah, Berlonga. We with you belonga. We don't mind. We don't mind. We gonna ride to the end. We don't mind. It was nasty, but we good. We good. We gonna get back up.

B (42:23)

This was a rough week.

A (42:24)

It was. It was the rough week. The Breakfast Club fucked you up, man. You shouldn't have went to the Breakfast Club and you shouldn't have.

B (42:29)

He was talking crazy. He was talking crazy.

A (42:31)

I was born.

C (42:32)

You gotta build that fight. You gotta build that. It's a shame that he's not more elite. Cause he's fun in the press conference.

A (42:36)

Yes, he is. We with you, Adam.

B (42:39)

He's like the Puerto Rican Adrien Broner.

A (42:40)

Yeah.

C (42:41)

Yo.

A (42:41)

Oh, shit. That was an ill embarrassment you don't want to feel. But let me tell you my point of view. Garden story. I'm not gonna say the company, but company hires me to walk out. Ricardo Mayorga. I'm down. But. But. But he's fighting against Tito Trinidad.

C (42:59)

You can't walk out with a. He's from Nicaragua. You can't walk out with a guy from Nicaragua.

B (43:04)

But you're a Nicaraguan.

A (43:05)

No, I'm not.

B (43:10)

Oh, it was the nigga part that I did.

A (43:14)

So I'm Puerto Rican. So I get to the fight. It's a big bag.

C (43:22)

What's a big bag?

A (43:23)

What's a big bag? It was a bag.

B (43:24)

It was a bag.

A (43:25)

It was a bag. And I get to the fight, and they sit me in front of Tito Trinidad's parents.

B (43:32)

Wow. Wow.

A (43:35)

Like you just said, you brought this up. This is the reason why every Porter weekend in the whole Madison Square Garden kept coming up to his mother.

B (43:47)

Paying homage.

A (43:48)

Yeah, them niggas came to get me. It's time to walk out. I was like, tell them I'm good.

B (43:56)

We have a contract.

A (43:57)

I'm like, these contracts made me broke. This. This is one of the moments I.

B (44:01)

Cannot turn on my people and walk out. And I was like, yo, what is your problem, Lori? Why did you even do this?

A (44:08)

But I'm like, yo, but I'm keeping the free seats.

B (44:10)

Like, I'm staying here.

A (44:13)

I'm gonna watch the fight. And like, this is what size of us. I said, yo, I should have never done this, man. Like, this is. This is a bad mistake.

B (44:20)

There was no way you could watch that fight in peace after that. There was no way you was gonna walk him out and go sit back down. Like, it would have been.

A (44:25)

That would have been the first cancel culture. Like, I'm talking about from within. Like, they would have disowned me for calling myself Puerto Rico. Absolutely. Like, I was a Tito one too. That day.

C (44:34)

Of course.

A (44:35)

Yeah, he won.

C (44:36)

So Mallorca was the. Though he was.

A (44:38)

So he smoked cigarettes.

B (44:40)

Yeah, he was wild.

C (44:42)

In a build up. He's drinking, right?

B (44:44)

I always wondered how much of that was real.

C (44:48)

Oh, oh, I see what you're saying.

B (44:49)

Yeah. The drinking, smoke.

C (44:51)

I think it was a brilliant.

A (44:52)

He was about that life. Yeah, he was about that. You know, he went. He. He cashed out and just went right back to. To this. And he. I think. I think he's fat.

C (44:59)

He's fat. He just fought recently against a guy named.

B (45:01)

Recently?

A (45:02)

Yeah.

B (45:03)

He's gotta be like, 60 years old.

C (45:04)

He fought a guy who's an OG. His name. It was kind of sad to watch, but it was like a Mexican fighter that's been the Campos or something like that. Just another guy who's, you know, they both were these two old guys fighting in the ring. You never want to see it, but you gotta do whatever you gotta do for money. But my organ made it back, though. He had a couple really big fights. I think he. He beat Vernon Forrest twice. I Don't know if you guys remember him. This was the heyday of boxing for me. Like, it was incredible.

B (45:29)

Listen, I'm. I've never seen anything I said. I'm like, yo. And that's funny you said that, because I was just like, whenever Puerto Rican fighters are going to be at the Garden, I'm coming.

C (45:37)

Oh, it is.

B (45:38)

The way the Puerto Ricans had the Garden lit up was. But have you ever been in the.

A (45:42)

Puerto Rican Day parade?

B (45:43)

No.

A (45:44)

Do you understand you got to go.

B (45:45)

Oh, no, I did. I've been the one. I've been the ones.

C (45:47)

Let me just tell you something. They had to stop that during me, too. They had to. It was a little bit too dicey.

A (45:52)

During me, too. They had to stop that. The Puerto Rican made the freak look like Nickelodeon. Text me like that. I wasn't ready.

B (46:02)

I can see why you say that as kids.

C (46:03)

And I even remember being as a kid, Like, I don't even know if I should be here right now. This shit is insanity.

A (46:08)

It was crazy. And let me tell you the point I'm trying to bring. It could be Puerto Rican Day Paris. It could be raining. It can be. Obviously, it's in the summertime, so. But it could be snow. It could be snowing. I promise you.

C (46:23)

Girls are getting their top.

A (46:25)

They are. They are.

B (46:27)

I don't know what part of the egg beret you went to, man.

A (46:30)

You went to kind of like the foul one.

B (46:32)

I'm out there waving flags. We drinking coqui.

A (46:35)

You know what I mean? We having ices. I go to the nice Portugal.

B (46:39)

I don't know where. Show's at the poor.

A (46:41)

Instead of Puerto Rico, you went with the Borga. That was. Yeah, but they come out all the time. So when you have support for them.

C (46:49)

We'Re really going to act like.

A (46:50)

And it's two different.

C (46:51)

Really going to act like I'm lying about that shit.

A (46:53)

No, but it's too different at Puerto Ricans. Just so you know, Puerto Rican from New York is totally different from a Puerto Rican from the island. Yes. And the Puerto Ricans from the island, they won't say it, but they think they're a little bit better than us.

B (47:06)

Really? Yeah.

C (47:08)

Do you know what it is? It's Italians from Italy.

A (47:11)

Yeah. And Italians from New York.

C (47:13)

They're both Italian. They both love the heritage and they love the roots, but they are different culturally.

A (47:19)

Yes.

C (47:19)

And indistinguishable in a lot of ways. Like, there's a lot of Puerto Ricans that grow up in New York that do not speak Spanish. There's a lot of Italians that grow up in New York not speak Italian, so it is similar in that way, though they don't. They both have love for the roots. It's really fascinating.

A (47:32)

Yeah, I love it. That's a great analogy, too, by the way. Yeah.

C (47:36)

So there's a little beef. You think that they think they're a little better?

A (47:38)

I know that they better. I know it, like. I know it like. Like, just like Spain. Like, people from Spain, they think they're better than. Oh, they think they're the white people, Latinos. They think that. They think that they're the bourgeoisies. Yeah. Like, they're like, yeah, like, you. You ever been to Spain? Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful place.

B (47:56)

But, like, he's Puerto Rican.

A (47:58)

I know. Yeah. Oh, I could tell. But we went to Spain one time, and my friend, his name is Mado, he's from Left Rack. He's on Oyo Micando with me. And Mato has this dialect that he can, Like. He can. Like. He can speak with the Mexicans and use their slang. He can speak with the Puerto Ricans and use their slang. He can speak with the. Dude. Obviously, he's Dominican, so he does that. He tried it in Spain.

C (48:26)

Not working.

A (48:28)

The waiter says, excuse me, sir, that is not Spanish. Damn. Damn. I was like, oh, shit. Because I don't want to send my food back. You know what I mean? Like, so I'm like, yo, we got to take this. He's like, that is not Spanish. I prefer you speak to me in English.

B (48:45)

No, damn.

A (48:47)

I was like, yo. And everybody's like, yo, we should get up out of here. I was like, maybe not. Guys like this chicharron with the fish. Let me finish. It looks good, but, I mean, that's how they feel. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I used to live in.

C (48:59)

Spain, and let me tell you something. They probably speak the worst English of any people in all Europe. So I don't know why they talking shit. I don't know why they asking you to speak English.

A (49:06)

Well, I had. I had. I had fun in. What is it? Madrid. I had. What else? Everywhere. I've been all over Spain. You know, I had one of the number one records in Latino culture. Of course.

B (49:16)

What does that feel like when you. Because, you know, we always hear Big Pun was the first, you know, rapper to go platinum. First Puerto Rican rapper to go Spanish rapper to go platinum. How did that feel? How did that feel to be that for your community?

C (49:29)

Do you say, I'm sorry, Go answer.

B (49:31)

I'm.

A (49:33)

Go ahead, Go ahead.

B (49:35)

How does that feel to be that for your community?

A (49:37)

Well, that's dope. It's dope. You know, reggae thon. A lot of people say the gluts and the glamour of reggae thon, but the reality of it is I had to really be in the forefront of this. Did I discover reggae thune? Absolutely not. But I seen this genre of music and I said, why isn't, you know, DJ enough playing this? Why isn't Camilo playing this? Why isn't. What's my man? Envy.

B (50:13)

He's Dominican.

A (50:14)

Envy, He's Dominican? Yes, Right. We claim him. Clue. Oh, Camilo.

B (50:16)

Camilo. Camilo.

A (50:17)

No, the guy from your station. Pro Style.

B (50:20)

Pro Style.

A (50:20)

Pro Style. Why isn't he playing it? And I think that they just didn't have the records or they just had certain records. But I'll tell you, like this. That like doing Reggae Throne was one of the most genius things I've ever done. Because I had to see the foresight. And I saw it and I went for it. And now if you cut on the radio, you can't hear any radio without Bad Bunny. Bad Bunny just sold out a concert for six months.

C (50:50)

Yeah, it's crazy.

A (50:51)

What the hell?

B (50:52)

What the helly? This? Yeah, he has that. You mean for six months?

A (50:57)

Yes. He has residency in Puerto Rico. In Puerto Rico, it's one of the.

C (51:02)

Most fire things that's ever been.

A (51:03)

They raised the economy.

C (51:05)

I think they said it was going.

A (51:06)

To generate like 300 million or something.

C (51:08)

For the local economy. So not just for him, but the local economy. The people that are getting hotels, their rental cars, that people are going to restaurants, like, I think that's one of the coolest ever done in history for the community.

A (51:20)

Bad Bunny, I respect you. I salute you. Bad Bunny showed me love at Madison Square Garden. But we shouted you out. No, he seen me and was like, yo. And you know, he's one of the biggest artists in the world. So I don't even think he knew me. Like, he was like, yo, papa. And I was like, he's a musician.

C (51:36)

How is he not gonna know you?

A (51:38)

Just let me be humble.

C (51:41)

If he didn't say with 70 backs.

A (51:42)

That motherfucker, that Joe.

B (51:45)

Tell a story about how you could have signed Bad Bunny, or am I making this up? I was a daddy Yankee or somebody. He was supposed to sign one of those big guys. I don't remember.

A (51:51)

Pitbull. I believe. I believe Pitbull. Well, Joe. Joe is ill, man. Joe, Joe, for Lack of a better term is one of our leaders. That's one main. Who's signed Bad Bunny? Who? Yeah, I don't know. I think. I don't know. I believe Bad Bunny might be signed to Bad Bunny. Yeah, I mean. I mean, listen, just think about what we just said. We spoke about the economy, all this. That's crazy. But one of the very first things that introduced that to Americans was my record. My record had 140 million in audience.

B (52:24)

I was beating the Omicanto joint.

A (52:28)

Let me tell you, this crazy. I was beating Mariah Carey in the bill, like, I was beating ll Mariah Carey. Leo Cohn's invited me to his house. This is a little earlier, but I'm just bouncing around. I'm giving you context. This is how ill this was. Leo Collins invited me to his house. It's like 90th and Park. It's like 90 million. It smelled like 90 million. And I walked in. Leo said. Leo said, you like this house? I said, yes, sir. I like it Michael Lot. And he said, make sure you hot enough next year, I invite you back.

B (53:07)

God damn. Jesus Christ.

A (53:12)

How do you say that? You don't want to text that. That just. That didn't feel like. Ls my man to this day. But he gave me the harsh reality.

B (53:22)

I thought he was about to tell you, if you want to have a house like this, he like, nah, just be hot.

A (53:25)

Next.

B (53:26)

Nah.

A (53:26)

He like, listen, you gotta. You here. Cause you paying the bills this month.

B (53:31)

Damn.

A (53:32)

I mean, it was a harsh reality, but it was also a reality. And it's like, yo, listen. I mean, me and Leo, we're over to like, you know, that relationship. We're good. I'm going to Mafi coast next week or in August. And that's who I'm going to meet. I'm going to meet with Leo. You know what I'm saying? That's my man. But he had to give me that harsh reality. Like, yo, you know, we're not friends. Like, we eventually may be friends, but for right now, you here cause you're paying the bills. It was a reality check for me. You understand what I'm saying? So the relationship is when I went and when I went and I did. Oy, Mikando, I knew that. I knew that. Cause Kevin, you know, Kevin Lyles, he's my guy. Kevin Lyles is my guy, too. I love Kevin Lyles. Kevin Lyles, let me go. I came to him and I was like, yo, I want to put out this Spanish record. And he was like, you're kidding me. And I'm like, yes, this is gonna work. So he's like, norie, I've never done this before, but I'm gonna release you for this project. You could release five songs, and that's it. Then you come back, and you're gonna deliver a CNN album, and you're gonna deliver a Nori album. I'm like, no problem. I said, so I could go. He's like, yes, you could go. That shit got 500 spins. That shit got 1200 spins. That shit got 15 on his fist. He was like, bring me my record. I was like, do we not remember the. He act like this conversation never happened. And you know what?

B (54:55)

I took the check.

A (54:58)

I act like it never happened either. I did. We did good business. And to tell you the truth, I know Kev. I'm not sure how Kev and L A Reid. Because remember, L A Reid had took in. Had came in after that pause. And I just wanted to say, you know, I never said this, but, you know, L A Reid and Kevin Lyles and even Rockefeller for letting me do my thing. Because I never signed to Rockefeller. They all put the building behind me. Sam Cresco, don't forget you. Claudine, Joseph. Like, all these people was like, yo, we don't know what you're doing, and we don't understand, but it's just, like, why we have to follow you. We have to. And now I make sense. Like, back then, it was like, come on, man. Puerto Ricans ain't buying records. I'm like, man, well, they buying concerts. Wow. They buying concerts.

C (55:57)

They're showing up.

A (55:58)

Let's do what Mary does. Like, Mary. At the time, Mary was. This is what we thought. Mary was selling a concert. And when you get the concert, you get her cd. I was like, that's simple. Like, I could sell out almost anywhere. And we just give them the album. But I never got it.

B (56:15)

I tell you one thing, man. After seeing what I saw in the garden Friday, I could see why people would want to tap into the Puerto Rican audience. I'm just telling you, like, that love was different.

A (56:25)

Proud people, man, different. And they party. Let me tell you something. They party all night. You know how they say, you know, the first time you get high is the best? It's the best, right? Well, it's this one party in Puerto Rico that I went to. And it's like, that's my one time. Like, I've been chasing this high. Like, I've been trying to go to this. Cause they had a party I mean, when I tell you this party was fucking amazing. And I just stood there and at the time, in hip hop, if they didn't have fights, you didn't think the party was good.

B (56:58)

So I'm sitting there like, no one's fighting.

A (57:00)

And they're like, no. And they're like, it was. This is how good the party was. I lit a blunt and the police came in, was like, yo, because smoking is frowned upon. So my cousins look at me as I smoke the blunt. They're like, oh, my God, papita, you do drugga. And I'm like, motherfucker, I've been seeing.

B (57:23)

You sniff coke the whole time and you calling me the drugga. They hold me like this the whole life. No eye contact. Hold up, Jerry. They like doing real drug.

A (57:34)

Oh, they called weed drugga. But I'm telling you. So there's nothing like a real, real simple party. There's nothing like it.

B (57:43)

Listen, you said you love Leo. Why? And I don't have no problem with Leo either. Why do people. Why is Leo not considered a culture vulture? The people who actually know him. Because to the outside, because of that one Breakfast Club clip that has gone by her so much, where he said he got his family to feed. Everybody says he's a coachable. Why sign an artist that would promote that?

A (58:04)

I already answered that question. You weren't paying attention. She asked me, talent or issues? And I said, talent?

B (58:12)

Don't you think that's hypocritical, though? You're saying it's opportunistic.

A (58:17)

Yeah, I got people to feed. I got a business to run.

B (58:24)

But I hear nothing. But artists talk highly of.

A (58:26)

Well, you know, maybe he answered that wrong. But I'll tell you like this. I went to Lior's birthday party. What it was. You ever see. You ever seen that picture with all of us on a private plane and we go to la? It was a benefit. Hov was there, Swizz was there. Everybody was there. Like, so I don't see this culture vulture shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm not, you know, I know Dame Dash is Dame Dash. And I have nothing. I have nothing bad to say about Dame Dash. You know, about Dash Charlamagne, you in on the inside. But I don't pause. But I have nothing bad to say about Dame Dash. But I guess that's them there too. Relationship, you know what I mean? And for me to comment on that, even though I'm commenting right now, it's probably, I think, because I personally don't feel like Lee also coach me personally. Like, I. I love the guy. The guy has been there for me. He's been rough to me. He's been tough to me, but overall, he's been a great asset to my life. And so I don't feel that way. I apologize.

B (59:29)

Yeah, no, I wasn't doing that. You know, trying to get you to say that. I was just like. Actually, that's why I asked. Why do people like you feel like he's not.

A (59:37)

Yeah, I don't feel that at all. I'm gonna be honest with you. Like, Leor gets, like. Leo taught me mad shit. Like, I'm on time everywhere because of Lior. Like, to this day, I can't beat lior to a meeting, like, anywhere I'm at. I had a meeting with him at the Polo, the Polo Bar in Polo Lounge. Polo Lounge in la. So the meeting was like, seven o'. Clock. I got there like, six. He was there having another meeting already. I was like, fuck. So every time I've tried to beat him, I beat him in the Amafi coast. But his boat was right there. So I couldn't consider that. Yeah, I couldn't consider that. So he taught me a lot. He taught me, yo, always have a meeting in the restaurant where you're the man. Cause as you walk in, like, just think about it. I walk in the restaurant in Charlemagne, I'm trying to negotiate with you, and I say, what's up to the busboy? I say, what's up to the maitre d? I say, what's up to the lady that's walking us to the table? I say, what's up to the waiter. I say, what's up to the owner. I say, what's up to the bartender?

B (60:36)

Hey.

A (60:36)

But, hey, hey. It's kind of hard for you to tell me. No, just think about it. You're like, yo, this guy's a good guy. He knows the guy taking the glasses off the table. Hey, what's up, Juanito? You know what I'm saying? Like, hey. And like, you know everybody. It's kind of. It throws your guards down.

B (60:53)

I read a story once about a guy who used to take people to this one restaurant all the time, right? For that exact reason. But he would also tip the waiter or waitress, Okay, I did hear this. To get the person's order wrong that he was meeting with. And the reason he would do that is because he wanted to see how that person would act towards the waiter or waitress for getting his order wrong. And based off how he would treat that person. He would determine whether or not he would do business with them.

A (61:20)

That's genius. Now, now you fucked me up. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that.

B (61:26)

Let's do some church announcements, man. Okay, folks, let's stop and pay some bills.

D (61:33)

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C (63:09)

What am I promoting this week?

A (63:11)

I don't know.

C (63:11)

I don't have anything to promote this week, to be honest with you.

B (63:14)

The Life is still on Netflix.

C (63:15)

Oh, Life is still on Netflix. Make sure you go check out Life. Yeah, besides that, I don't know.

B (63:21)

Nori, what you got? Church announcements this is the part of the show where we tell people what we got going on.

A (63:26)

And I just wanted to reiterate, man, how good your special is.

C (63:29)

Okay.

A (63:30)

I watched it. The other day, knowing I'm coming here again, phenomenal. And it's really. It's veteran. I know. That's not a word. It's aging. Graceful.

C (63:39)

Oh, thank you, man.

A (63:40)

It's aging gracefully.

C (63:41)

We found out we were not nominated for an Emmy.

A (63:44)

Fuck the Emmys, then.

C (63:45)

Yeah.

A (63:45)

No, I'm going for Emmy. No, I'm actually submitting my run footage because big up. To my boy Hector from uptown. I don't know if you know him. He's a Dominican running from Uptown. He ran six marathons. He was huge. And you know, he ran six marathons. That's, like, so fucking awesome. And he has a crew called Ru Crew. We run uptown and we're fans of them. We run champs. And us, we're good. And so. Yeah. Did they tell you why you won an Emmy?

B (64:20)

You won an Emmy?

A (64:21)

He won an Emmy. Hector.

B (64:22)

Do they tell you why you don't get nominated?

C (64:24)

I was up for what's called, like, for Emmy consideration, which means, like, they're pushing a bunch of things and then. No, they don't tell you why. I mean, like, the people at Netflix and the people around me told me why they think. But it is.

B (64:37)

Why do they tell you they think.

C (64:39)

Certain politics that go along with this.

A (64:40)

Yeah. You know what I mean?

C (64:41)

But that's. To me.

B (64:42)

I mean, for your consideration is good, though.

C (64:45)

To me. To me, the Emmy doesn't.

B (64:47)

I told you that, though.

C (64:47)

I know.

B (64:48)

I said that. I said if everything's fair.

C (64:50)

Yeah.

B (64:51)

And there's no politics.

C (64:52)

Yeah.

B (64:52)

I said it's going to win an.

C (64:54)

Emmy, but should listen. I'm not being. I'm being objective about it. It's the best special, like, it is the one that should win.

A (65:00)

I'm with you.

B (65:01)

What's the categories? I mean, I thought it was phenomenal, but I don't. What's the category?

C (65:05)

If it's like, stand up or there's also like, I think, like, the Conan o' Brien presents them, gets the Mark Twain Award.

B (65:12)

Pull it up, Chris. I want to see. I'll stay with Schultz. Can't. Let me see. Who else. Let me see. Who's in this category?

A (65:18)

Stand Up.

C (65:19)

It's not just stand up. It's like live. A live event or something like that. I will.

B (65:24)

Is it best? A lot. Let me see. What was it? What was it up for?

C (65:27)

Outstanding Variety Special.

A (65:29)

Pre recorded that?

C (65:30)

Yes.

B (65:30)

Okay, so what's it. What's in that category? Who is it? Who is it?

C (65:33)

Oh, I'll tell you. It's Adam Sandler's Love you, Ali Wong, Single lady, Bill Burr's drop dead years, Conan Bryant, Mark Twain prize, Sarah Silverman, post mortem and your friend Nate Borgozzi.

B (65:46)

Yeah, there's no way Andrew shows it to the life shouldn't have been nominated. I know people gonna say I'm biased, but there's just.

A (65:51)

Wait, no, there's no way the life. I didn't even know that I just called life. I didn't even know it had a name. That's where to go.

C (66:00)

Look, if you want to go off.

A (66:01)

Numbers, I'll brag about you though, right?

C (66:03)

I appreciate it.

A (66:04)

I'm bragging about same to you.

C (66:05)

But. Yeah, but I think, I think the thing for me is like, maybe if it wins, more people get to see it. But in terms of like the amount, like it was top 10 in like 16 different countries.

B (66:14)

It was not. It was the number two stand. Number one stand up in the country.

C (66:18)

Number one stand, number two in all shows. And also, like a lot of people get that spot and then they fall away in a day. This was for two weeks. That like, rarely ever happens with stand up. So, like, in terms of numbers and people see it, you, nobody's really competing with it.

B (66:32)

More importantly, it's great.

C (66:33)

But that's the thing that matters.

B (66:34)

Let's talk about that.

A (66:35)

No, that's real.

C (66:36)

That's the thing. To me, to me, I'm proud of it. The people that watch it, I think they got a lot out of it and I think it flexed like the muscle that I want.

B (66:43)

It's one of those specials that I think what it means means more than an award.

A (66:49)

I respect that.

B (66:49)

You know what I mean? The amount of people who hit me up that say, yo, tell Andrew thank you. Because me and my wife went through this or women that hit me up and say, yo, I went through that. Blah, blah, blah. I think stuff like that means more than winning an award.

A (67:03)

Yeah.

B (67:03)

And if it doesn't, that's what I'll say to make my friend feel better.

C (67:06)

Thank you.

B (67:08)

Well, no, I do feel that way, though.

C (67:10)

My feeling was like, if it does get that notoriety, it's like validated, but it's also like more people maybe get to see see it and then more people have that positive impact and like, I make it so the most people can see it. That's why I'm doing something like that. So I, you know, they will continue to see it. More people continue to watch it. I don't think this is a thing that like goes away after a year. Like, I think this is going to have relevancy as long as people are going through that, kind of.

B (67:30)

As long they haven't. Yeah, absolutely. Continue.

C (67:33)

And so, yeah, like, you know, who knows what happens?

B (67:36)

But you know why? Ooh, that's. I'm gonna tell you why. That's such a great point. There are sadly going to be people who are going to be going through IVF and not getting pregnant.

A (67:44)

Yeah.

B (67:45)

When they're dealing with that grief put on the life and that. And then now you laughing. You're laughing at somebody else's pain, but also laughing at your pain.

C (67:55)

Yeah, that's a validating part. Like, listen, it's obviously great to be, like, recognized for something you work hard at, but I've never been one to, like, define my success by, like, what an award show says. I think you get, like.

A (68:07)

It's.

C (68:08)

People, I think, get addicted to that, especially when they don't have, like, the outside success. Like, I think if I didn't, nobody came out to my shows. Winning the award would be really validating because it's like, you just want to know you made something good. But, like, I. My dreams were to do these venues, to do Madison Square Garden, to, like, perform in arenas around the world, and this allowed me to do that. And then when we put it out, people saw. It's like, that's the. This would have been, like, some sprinkles on top, but it's not going to define it.

B (68:36)

My church announcement. I want to shout out everybody who came out to Midtown Comics last week.

A (68:41)

Seen you and Rob Marksman there, right?

B (68:43)

Yeah. My guy, Rob Markman. Me and my man, Dennis Cohen.

C (68:46)

I got you.

B (68:46)

Dennis Cohen is one of the founders and owners of Milestone Comics, you know, Static Shock Hardware, Iron Icon Rocket. You know, that was Dennis Cohen, and he did all of the artwork in this series, Illuminati. And we were signing copies of this last week. So salute to all of those people who came out. And I want to shout out Cheryl McKissick. Okay? Cheryl McKissick from one of the biggest. The biggest black construction company in the world, McKissick and McKissick. Her book, the Black Family who Built America, will be out.

A (69:22)

Family who Built America.

B (69:23)

Oh, listen, just wait till y' all read this. You know who McKissick and McKissick is.

A (69:28)

I've heard about them, man.

B (69:29)

Listen, McKissick and McKissick, they have built so many different things. I mean, Lincoln Field in Philadelphia, the railroad, the Barclays. What's it called it? The Barclays Rail Station Center. It's not the center. The rail station.

A (69:44)

Oh, Atlantic Avenue.

B (69:45)

Atlantic Avenue. Yeah. I mean, they've built LaGuardia Airport. JFK Airport.

A (69:49)

Like, oh, my God, I gotta read that.

B (69:51)

Yes. I want everybody to know. And please put this on the screen. Cause I forgot to bring a copy of the book with me. But currently, right now in bookstores. You know, we got a lot of books out right now, but Don Staley, Uncommon Favorite is in stores right now. No Holds Barred by Mandy and Weezy is in bookstores right now. Cheryl McKissack, the Black family who Built America is in bookstores right now. All courtesy of my booking print, Black Privilege Publishing. But on March. March 3rd. Yes, on March 3rd, 2026, we will be releasing the first book from my guy, 2 Chainz.

A (70:31)

Look at the screen.

B (70:33)

Oh, shit. Yes. 2 Chainz. The voice in your head is God. Okay. 2 Chainz debut memoir, the Voice in youn Head Is God, is coming out on my book imprint, Black Privilege Publishing, with Simon and Schuster. 2 Chain is going to be talking about his personal and professional journey, and he's going to be sharing spiritual breakthroughs and lessons learned on this whole process of life that he's been on. Okay. So, you know, the press release says the book will focus on two changes. Transition from a tumultuous relationship with hustling to a healthier creative outlet in music. With artists like Lil Wayne and Ludacris playing significant roles in his journey. Yeah, it says Black Privilege Publishing founder Charlemagne the God described two Chain Story as one of perseverance and reinvention, emphasizing the importance of following one's intuition and reinventing oneself when necessary. 2Chainz aims to inspire individuals with dreams and visions who may struggle or doubt their intuition, highlighting the role of inner voices in his own success. Man, yeah, man. Shout out to 2 Chainz. 2 Chainz, man, let me tell you how. How God works, right? I've been a, you know, a fan of 2 Chainz for a long time, just from the musical, you know, aspect. Even when they was. I used to love Duffel Bag Boys. Like, they. Like that second Duffel Boys, that second Duffel Bag Boys album. That's one of my favorite albums ever. Like, that album is phenomenal. And I just was always a fan of his music back then when he was Titty Two Titty Titty Boy. And then he became 2 Chainz, and I was still a fan of his music. And just the organic support that people show each other always comes back, right? So, for example, I think the first show, the Breakfast Club Ever did, like the first, like, concert we ever had that was like a breakfast club concert. 2 Chainz came and performed. This was 2000, man. Maybe 11, maybe 12. I think it might've been 2011. And, you know, you fast forward, you know, you've always supported each other. Just, you know, just salute. Like, he's a great artist, right? But then I got into the Crystal game because of 2 Chainz. I got into the franchise game because of 2 Chainz. Crystal 2 Chainz is the. What's his exact title at Crystal? The first ever head of creative marketing. And so I was looking at Duvall one year at Duvall Day, and Duvall had all them little crystal burgers. You know, down south we got Crystal, y' all got White Castle up here. So I was like, dang, Crystal, I ain't seen that in a while. So I hit Duvall like, yo, where you get some crystal burgers from? He said, man, you know, two chains fuck with crystal, blah, blah, blah, this and that. So I hit up technique and was like, yo, what's the play on the crystal? And he was just like, yeah, man, you know, we head of creative marketing, blah, blah, blah. There's franchising opportunities, man, tech. And 2 Chainz plugged me right in with my man Jonathan, and that's how me and my wife got into the franchising game.

A (73:31)

That's fire.

B (73:32)

So it's just like, yeah, it's things like that.

A (73:35)

You know what I mean?

B (73:35)

And then, yo, 2 Chainz wants to write a book that's a no brainer, like, you know what I'm saying? Let's make that happen. So the organic support that people show each other always, to me, pays off like, you know, every time. People are always looking for some type of monetary, you know, compensation just to support somebody.

A (73:59)

Yeah.

B (73:59)

If you like something, let it tell them. That's y' all problem. Y' all motherfuckers ain't got no problem hating on people. Y' all ain't got no problem slandering people. Y' all ain't got no problem talking negative about motherfuckers. So when you like somebody and you know, tell them, because you never know how that shit is gonna, you know, play out over the years. So make sure on March 3, 2006, you go out there and pick up Two Chain's book. The voice in your head is God. You can pre order it now, wherever you buy books.

A (74:23)

And that's dope of 2 Chainz to be able to make that pivot and.

C (74:27)

Be a creative director for Crystals. Like, where does that even come from?

A (74:31)

And then look at that shit.

B (74:33)

He's already a creative. As in, if you're a creative and you can think of, you know, innovative ways to sell dope, if you can think of innovative ways to sell music, you can definitely think of innovative ways to sell hamburgers.

A (74:45)

Yeah.

B (74:48)

It ain't that difficult.

A (74:49)

And while we talk about books, I got a book with Simon and Shousa dropping.

B (74:52)

Yes, you do.

A (74:53)

With y'.

B (74:54)

All.

A (74:54)

Suit y'. All. I'm on my last chapter, and I'm gonna tell the people. I'm so glad I didn't drop the book early. I had to go back and read the book. Right? And I was so bitter. I wrote this in a bitter state of mind. And had that book came out, it.

C (75:18)

Would have been angry, and it would.

A (75:20)

Have been the best. Cause the conscience.

B (75:22)

Bitter. I haven't seen you bitter. I've never seen you bitter.

A (75:25)

I'm proud. As you had wrote his book, and I kind of wanted to make a response, and I went too far. So I take the.

B (75:33)

That was 12 years ago.

A (75:35)

Yeah, I've been writing the book for 13. I've been writing the book for thirteen.

B (75:38)

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

A (75:40)

And the guy, Brian is amazing. Guy used to work for Hip Hop Game. So I say to him, yo, listen. He happens to be a runner. So I say to him, listen, you're gonna read me the book on all of these runs. We go on it. So he reads me the book, and predominantly he's reading me the new parts. He's reading the new version of me. So then I go, all right, cool. We're gonna go to Equinox and we're gonna jog again to read the rest. Oh, my God. And I heard what I was saying. I was like, that was me. He was like, nori, I have your voice.

B (76:15)

You know what's so funny? Nori was the first rapper I saw get mad because somebody said he actually shot somebody. Somebody actually said you were who you.

A (76:22)

Thought I didn't want. I don't want that. I don't want it. I don't. None of that shit. Like, I don't want. I really. I really. Let me tell you who I am. I'm really a positive individual. I'm really like, who I was. You can't help hold me to that standard, who I was or what I did in the past. Like, we have to accept people's growth.

B (76:41)

Absolutely.

A (76:41)

I have grown so much. I'm here with my grandchild. You know what I mean? Like, I've Done so much where, and I've gave so much to the game that I don't want. I don't want to dwell on any negativity.

B (76:53)

Like, negativity got some great negative moments.

A (76:56)

I got some great negative moments. But cheers to that.

C (76:59)

Cheers to that.

B (77:00)

Nas has never been in a fist fight in his life.

A (77:02)

Gotta ask you, you know what I'm saying? Nas, he called you out on a.

B (77:06)

Radio station up New York.

A (77:08)

You know what I'm saying?

B (77:09)

How you feel about that?

A (77:10)

Cause y' all supposed to be homies. Well, Nas never had a fight in his life. Nah, fuck him up. And I know that.

B (77:18)

We love Nas. My second favorite rapper of all time.

A (77:21)

That's my third favorite rapper of all time.

B (77:23)

Love Nas to death.

A (77:24)

I just seen Nas, love how he's grown.

B (77:26)

But that was a great. Y' all going back and forth on power 105 was fantastic.

A (77:30)

Well, he never went back.

B (77:31)

I threw a flower pot at your head.

A (77:33)

No, I never said that. That's you making that up.

B (77:37)

You did say he was going to throw a foul fight at somebody. Yes, you did.

A (77:40)

I never said that.

B (77:41)

I don't know if it was God.

A (77:42)

Rumors that was said, but I've never said.

C (77:45)

What did you say?

A (77:45)

Really? I've never said nothing.

B (77:46)

It's the Mandela effect, then. Cause I swear I heard you say it, though.

A (77:49)

I'm serious. Cause you heard that in the rumor. You didn't hear me say it, and you didn't hear no one say it. That was the rumor that you threw.

B (77:55)

A flower pot at somebody's head.

A (77:56)

That was the rumor. But, hey, hey, let's leave it there. I see it. You ain't got to bring it up. I see it. I see it. Bring it up, bring it up, bring it up. Hold up. Nas has never had a fist fight.

B (78:10)

In his life, but, yo had a.

A (78:13)

Fight in his life. Nas come up. Yeah.

B (78:16)

So let's not dwell on that.

A (78:18)

Yeah, we had a flower pot. Oh, hell no. Hell no.

C (78:21)

What elegant establishment were you guys beefing at that had flower pots everywhere, ironically?

A (78:27)

It was the party. It was a party.

B (78:29)

But, no, it never happened.

A (78:31)

Nothing ever happened. Me. Listen. Nothing never happened. That was a moment. That was a moment. Me responding to him. And I'm gonna tell you why. That moment, you could see the frustration in my eyes was because I was on tour. So after Nas has said that I was on tour and I had to hit 30 City Market, this is the biggest artist on the planet. I had to answer that every single time. So I would go on and, you know, I don't take interviews if a person say, yo, don't talk about this. You know what I mean? So I had to literally say to people, yo, don't bring that up. Or whatever, whatever. But this was the last interview. I believe it was in Philadelphia. I'm not sure. And we forgot to say that. So it was like the very first thing. And I'm like, so. You know, when I look at that, do I regret it? Fuck yeah. You know, this is my.

C (79:21)

What did he say? What did Nas say?

A (79:22)

He said I stepped my rap game up, right?

B (79:24)

Yeah, it was an interview with Powell, Noriega. I like Nori.

A (79:29)

You know what I'm saying? But I feel like he's really not.

B (79:30)

Taking this game serious enough. He's more talented than that. Who am I to decide?

A (79:35)

Who am I to say something? I'm a human being with opinion. And, you know, the irony of that is I was on Hot 97 bigging him up at the same time he was on Power 105, criticizing. Oh, he went at everybody. But the good thing about Nas is he's such a man's man. I fuck with Nas, he's such a man's man. I'll just tell you. People don't talk about.

B (80:01)

They don't give Nas enough credit to that point of being just a human, a good human.

A (80:05)

So I couldn't hold my composure. This is one of. This is my favorite artist in the world. He's dissing me. Well, he dissed me once. I didn't know how to. Like, yo, calm down, homie. Yeah, like, I didn't know how to. In Spanish, we say I didn't know how to. Right. So I kept going. After that interview, I kept going. It was more bad shit that I was saying. And now I was like the gentleman and the man that he is. He said, nori can say whatever he wants. Cause I should have never said nothing bad about him. Wow.

B (80:41)

That's real, though.

A (80:41)

That was like reverse racism. Because guess what I did said nothing on that. I was like, wait a minute, that was two. That was too smart. That was too smart. And, you know, I was dumb at the time. Like, you know. You know, Nas actually apologized to me. Wow. But I was like, yo, you know, I wanted the apology to be public because of the. And I didn't know. I was so young and stupid. I didn't know how to be like, yo, yo, son, can you say that? You know what I mean? So, like, when he got on drink chats, he was like, yo, why didn't we Bring that up. And I was like, son, I don't want to be.

B (81:16)

Nah, it says certain things you gotta do Nori, just to have that. That multiple time. Right. Cause all of this stuff was public.

A (81:23)

Yeah, but. But me and him really squashed it privately. And then, like, you know, he invited me to his crib in the Bahamas. I went out there. We worked on a masterpiece project that I don't know ever came out like we are. Oh, is it an album or something? Yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't know if this is secret. I don't know. But we worked on some shit, and he's one of the best people. Like, I went to his restaurant the other day and I just texted him the flyer. I texted him the menu. He just popped up like, oh, wow. Like, you know how that is for my run Champs family who's sitting around and they're hurting themself. They're running 10 miles with me and 7 miles with me, and they blisters. And they don't want to complain about it because I'm not complaining about it. And then they sit there and they get to meet their fucking favorite rapper, having a dinner.

B (82:08)

Nas got, like. You got an aura. You know what I'm saying? Certain rappers are mythical. When I talk to people like Nori. Nori's a mythical rapper. But when Nori talks to me about Pun, or Nori talks to me about Biggie, I don't know them. I never met them. It sound like you talking about Greek mythology, Greek figures from, you know. Right. But we still have some of those alive today, right?

A (82:32)

Snoop Dogg, Nas is one of them. Nas, Hov.

B (82:35)

Like, they walk in the room, you like, yo, that's Nas, right? And the fact that he's grown and evolved so gracefully, the investments he's made. Coinbase. Ring. Nas is caked up mass appeal. Mass appeal. Catch. Not Catch.

A (82:50)

And he got Ring. He got Ring.

B (82:52)

Catch is the restaurant, I believe.

A (82:55)

But he has Coco Deck. That's my favorite restaurant right now. It's fried chicken and caviar.

C (83:00)

Kim's restaurant.

A (83:01)

Who?

C (83:01)

Simon Kim.

A (83:02)

Oh, I don't know. I know he's down with them or something like that. It's called cocodex. It's fried chicken and caviar.

C (83:07)

It's Korean fried chicken.

A (83:08)

He gave me, like, the best compliment.

C (83:11)

The guy who owns Coat?

B (83:12)

Yeah, yeah.

C (83:13)

He's down with both.

B (83:15)

He's part of the investment group for the casino in Queens.

A (83:18)

So he says to me, he says to me, he says to me, yo, when I. I Don't know if he said when he invested or when he got down with this, he said, yo, fried chicken and caviar, that's so you. And I was like, yeah. Cause you know, I'm hood and I'm bougie too. Like, yeah, I'm a little bit of both. You know what I'm saying? I don't mind. Yes. I eat caviar.

B (83:36)

Beluga raw too, you know, it's so crazy. I don't know. I was about to make a statement. I was about to say, man, Nori, the best thing that ever happened to you was the podcast. But I feel like it's steps, right? You had to get the record deal, you and Capone had to get on.

A (83:49)

Absolutely.

B (83:50)

Then you had to go solo.

A (83:51)

Nothing happens without the war report.

B (83:52)

Nothing happens without the real war report. But the Nore is celebrating, what, 27 years.

A (83:56)

27 years, man. That's crazy.

B (83:58)

Just came out like a couple. What was the release date? It was recently.

A (84:02)

I'm not sure. And you know what's crazy? I think it's July 8th. You know what's crazy? You know how I celebrated it? Running miles.

B (84:08)

That's dope.

A (84:09)

I didn't. Because now I'm changing my celebration routine. Like I don't want to always have to celebrate with drinks and smoking and all that. So now I changed my celebration and now sometimes I celebrate with water and jogging miles. I went to an 86 year old birthday.

C (84:25)

Whose birthday?

B (84:26)

It's this guy.

A (84:27)

He has no idea who I. Yeah, I see him every morning jogging. And so he asks me, he says, hey man, you guys, can y' all come to my birthday party? And there's three of us. Me, Mitch and Los. Like, of course. And he's like, it's at 7:30 in the morning. I'm like, I've never been to a party at 7:30. I have to go. You cannot say no to 7:30 in the morning. You run at 4, 4 o' clock in the morning. So I go there and I bring him up a case of Ace. I know he doesn't know where Ace is, so he's sitting there. And then he has like three or four black friends and they're looking. And here's this crazy. His was crazy. He's going to see this and he's going to bug out. So every morning around 4, 5 or 6, we jog, right? Yeah. So we see these people on the boardwalk. We don't know who they are. Yeah. But we named them. So we were like, it's the sandman this is the guy. He only stays on the sand, so we name him Sandman. So there's a lady. We named her the Bike lady, right? Then there's an army guy we don't really know. He's in the army or not, but he goes like this, hey. And we go, army guy, right? So we got all of these names. He's the only one that we named. We said, that's George Steinbrenner. Never knew his name. We never knew. He invites us to a party. It's our first time getting personal with these people that we see every morning. Who knows nothing of who I am. It's so much refreshing, you know, when you meet people and they're like, let me get a selfie. And then you meet somebody, they're like, hey, how you doing? You're like, oh, my God. They're still human, right? So we named him George Steinbrenner. We go to the party, me, Lois and Mitch, and his name is actually George.

B (86:28)

We're like, yo.

A (86:30)

So we're like, yo. We're like, yo, George. And they called him George. And then I seen this. It was three black people, and they're like, yo, do you realize you have NORIEGA and you're 86? Birthday party.

C (86:43)

How old are the black people?

A (86:45)

They were older. They were, like, in their 50s. But they were. They were young enough to still know.

C (86:50)

Yes, of course.

A (86:51)

Yes. They didn't say hi to me. They were nervous. They didn't say hi to me. So I just let them stay nervous. I was like, yeah, no, no, no. I'm not gonna give you another privilege. Yeah, yeah. This is. Everybody's on the same level right here.

B (87:01)

Man. The funny thing about Nor is one of the greatest storytellers ever. I always say the three greatest storytellers in hip hop. Nori, Fat Joe and Irv Gotti. God bless the day. God bless three greatest storytellers in hip hop bar none.

A (87:14)

But I bring up that story to say that that whole time I partied with him and I drank water and no one knew that. Everyone was like, oh, they drank my. As a spade, obviously. I mean, who would, right? But I stood there and I noticed I can do this. Like, I can go to a party and just chill and just. And enjoy other people.

B (87:32)

So what did you. I want to know then. So what did you change about the book?

A (87:36)

No, I took my bitterness out, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Really? Yeah.

B (87:40)

Because I got a different perspective of everything.

A (87:42)

I didn't realize how, like, I don't want to Say I was bitter, but I didn't realize how much of the game I didn't play at that time. Like, meaning you were too reactionary. Yeah, I was too. I was. I was. I was. To a certain extent, I was sensitive. Like, if somebody say something about. Like, for instance, you know, when you just brought up Pusha T. Like, that headline, when Pusha T came at me, it's like a Pusha T. That was a different headline, but one of the headline, it said, pusha T checks Nori. I would have. Back in the days, I would have just looked at that line and be like, oh, my God, I'm going to Virginia right now. I'd have been like. But I got to understand, Pusha T and me have a relationship with family. Like, if these words are mistooking or it's ticking the wrong way, it's nothing. Like, for me. It's nothing for me to say, yo, my bad. If that's the case, you know what I mean? This is my family. Like, this is. And I'm not the clickbait person. I'm not that guy. So it's easy for me to actually say that right now. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Fat Joe said it the other day on his show. He was like, yo, there's nothing that Nori can say to turn me. Him against me. And that's the vice versa. Like, it's. I have to actually grow with time and say, you know what? These are my friends. And. Cause, you know, I used to be like, yo, these rappers are not your friends. You know what I mean? Some of them are. Some of them, I go to your weddings. Some of them have my babies, Christian in it. Some of them, like, yeah, they are. There is some good rap friends. There is, man. You know what I mean? And I got a lot of them. So that's what it is. It's like, I have to grow. I can't be this same person that you are. And I have to expand, you know what I mean? Like, right now, I went to peloton, right? Fuck, it's Nor we doing the Peloton, right? You saying that right? I was so comfortable in that space. Like, I'm so comfortable in a space where I'm not supposed to be comfortable. You know what I'm saying?

B (89:45)

Who says you're not supposed to be comfortable, though? It all makes sense to me.

A (89:49)

I mean. Yeah, I mean, it makes. Cause you're brilliant, you know? It makes sense to you. Cause you're smart. Most people be like, yo, why is he at the Peloton place. And I had an awesome time. I still with the people who run the marathon, and they're sitting there and.

B (90:03)

I realize.

A (90:06)

I have to start hanging out with these people.

C (90:08)

Sure.

A (90:09)

I can't be around. I can't be around.

B (90:14)

I know. Yeah. Don't say anybody.

A (90:18)

Yeah, I know.

B (90:19)

I can't be around.

A (90:19)

I know.

B (90:19)

I know. I have to be around. I know. I know.

A (90:22)

I have to be around people who think like me.

B (90:23)

Yes.

A (90:24)

Who act like me, and who apply it. Like, I can't no longer.

B (90:29)

Yes.

A (90:30)

I can't. It's like, oh, my God. Like, I have to wake up in the morning and get to it. Like, this is something I have to complete this. I don't have to compete. I have to complete.

C (90:39)

I don't even know what y' all are talking about.

A (90:40)

That's why. Listen.

B (90:41)

But that's why I said Nori, to me, everything happened. Nothing happened with the war report, but the podcast is probably the greatest thing to happen to Nori, and I'll tell you why. Nori is a phenomenal storyteller. We already say one of the best storytellers ever. You have allowed people for the last decade. Cause drink champs has been around for a decade.

A (90:56)

Nine years. We'll be 10 years this year to.

B (90:58)

Be able to tell their stories.

C (90:59)

Yeah.

B (91:00)

Do you understand, like, the catalog that you have? You know how many people. Nobody would even care.

A (91:06)

Yes. You know, that's. Thank you, by the way. But let me just tell you, that's the biggest, like, phone calls I get is when, you know, I could look at an artist, right? And I'm not gonna say who, because I don't wanna blow nobody up, but I went to a party one day, and I looked at the artist, and I was just like, he got nothing going on. Like, he's just here. And I walked up to him, I said, yo, you wanna do the show? And he goes, yeah. And I put him on the show. He flies out to Miami, and he calls me and said, this is the reason why I don't want to blow up the artist. And he calls me. He's like, yo, got seven shows since I did this. And I'm like, you know what I'm saying? And he's like, yo, I got seven shows. I got two interviews. I got this and this and that. And he's like, yo, so what do I owe you? And I said, you already did it, brother. What you just did was payment. You let me know my shit works, Paul, you know what I'm saying? You let me know that my magic wand when I go like that. And I've done it to so many people. Like, I've. Like, it was another group. It was a group so you could figure this out. And they were like, yo, they paying my quota again. Like, you know, they've been trying to pay me 40 grand for every. And now I'm back to that 70. And I'm like, yo. And then they always offer me. I will give that. They always offer me. And I'm like, I am not paying.

C (92:31)

Good for you.

A (92:31)

I am not you. Your. Your phone call telling me that you're. That's payment is enough.

C (92:38)

There's an interesting thing that you were talking about, which is like the sensitivity in the early days. And I think that. I think a lot of times it's not what somebody says.

A (92:48)

I ain't gonna lie, man.

C (92:49)

Thanks, bro.

B (92:54)

I do have a lot of armpit.

A (92:55)

Chewbacca was talking to me and you had the nerve to go like this. What's your.

B (93:04)

You wanna know what's so funny? I have that privilege, bro. Nori, you know what's so funny about that? I'm in the barbershop earlier. Listen, I'm in the barbershop earlier. You know what's on the tv? Nori interviewing Max B. Nori got the tank top on. And somebody goes, yo, Nori, underarms. Max. Don't project today.

A (93:29)

Don't project us.

B (93:31)

I'm not gonna lie.

A (93:33)

You made me run the.

B (93:35)

I look like that, yo, that happened today.

A (93:40)

No, he's right. He's right. And I do say, but we're supposed to be Harry, bro. We're supposed to be Harry.

B (93:48)

How God made us.

A (93:49)

Y. Just now I was like, wait a minute.

C (93:54)

Anyway, point I try to make is like the. That people say about us a lot of times.

A (93:59)

Salute. No, no, no, that's yours. This one.

C (94:01)

This one's mine. Right, okay.

A (94:02)

The lot.

C (94:03)

Serious. A lot of times, the shit that people say about us, it's like, we wouldn't even care that much if there wasn't a reaction. A lot of times we're reacting to the schoolyard reaction.

B (94:12)

Yes.

C (94:13)

So, like, if Nas said some shit to you directly in front of nobody, you might take and be like, all right, let me listen to that criticism and see if I could do whatever. But the fact that people are reacting makes us go, oh, my reputation is online. Not just you. I think we all do this. Yeah, But I think what happens is, like, once you get some more success and you feel confident and self actualized in what you've achieved, the criticism means less because we're less insecure. Like, we're less dependent on what the public thinks on.

B (94:41)

Can't nobody tell me about me.

C (94:43)

Thank you.

B (94:44)

Like, why would I ever get online, see something about me, and get upset if I know it's some bullshit?

C (94:49)

Yeah, exactly.

B (94:51)

Like how, exactly.

A (94:53)

I used to be like that, though.

C (94:54)

We all did.

A (94:55)

Yeah, I used to. And then I realized you're a millionaire. Yeah. Not only that, but I realized. I realized, you know, I give props. I want to give props to somebody. One time, guy online was just chastising, chastising, chastising. Couldn't get at him. It wasn't nothing like that anyway. But Angela Yee called me, and she was like, hold on. Just hold on.

B (95:25)

No, he's like, I couldn't get at him. I couldn't get at him. Plan B. Plan B was, I'm preaching for flower pots, dude.

A (95:36)

So Angela, she gave me some of the best advice ever. I was so in tune with, by the way. I'm the Twitter head. Yeah. Like, I actually love Twitter, and I love black Twitter. That's a different Twitter. I don't know if you. Andrew, you don't got black Twitter. Oh, but I'm aware of it.

B (95:53)

You're aware of it.

A (95:54)

It's around. It's around. It's around. So I'm on black Twitter. And Angelique gave me one of the best advice in the world. She called me one day, and I was like, yeah, you know, I'm dealing with this. And she's like, what are you dealing with? And I told her. She was like, dude, no one cares about that shit. And I'm like, what? She's like, yo, walk. Do me a favor. Wherever you at, walk across the street and then walk back and tell me how many people ask you about that? And I just did it. I walked across the street. People wanted selfies. People wanted, you know, to talk to me. Then I walked back across the street. Same exact thing. No one brought up this subject that was happening on Twitter. Yeah. But I'm thinking, this is the world. You know what I mean? I was so invested into positivity. I was so invested, and I was so invested to this critique of a person that was critiquing me. And I didn't realize this person doesn't even kind of matter none. And it had me change my outlook on everything. You know what I mean?

B (96:57)

Listen, man, I love it. I remember Nori coming on Breakfast Club, and Nori saying, I want to be the black who Was it Gordon Ramsay or Guy Ferreri?

A (97:06)

No, Guy. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was actually Anthony Bourdain.

B (97:10)

Anthony Bourdain. I'm sorry. And I'm just like. That makes too much sense on the run, eating. So what do we do?

A (97:18)

By the way, that was one of the best times of my life. It was. I went on a food show, like, tour. Yeah. And there's no beef in food. It's real beef. I don't eat beef. So I give it to my friend Sonny D or Ching Bing or, you know, Mike Buford or Young. Really. But yeah, so, like, there's.

B (97:41)

So.

A (97:41)

There's so much.

B (97:43)

I'm bringing this up to show how blessed you are. I've seen Norrie say things, and it's like he speaks it into fruition. I want to be the black Anthony Bourdain. Oh, shit. Yo, let's take that out. The interview.

A (97:56)

Let's go.

B (97:56)

Try to make that happen.

A (97:57)

Try to make that happen.

B (97:59)

We sold that show, like, three times. Right? Right.

A (98:04)

I had fun. Big up to Complex.

B (98:06)

Complex finally bought it.

A (98:07)

They Complex.

B (98:08)

I think MTV or somebody bought it.

A (98:09)

He bought it first. M3. Complex bought it from them.

B (98:12)

And so that turn. That evolves into Nori going on these interview runs, and eventually, yo, I'm gonna start the podcast. I think Tax told you to start the podcast, right?

A (98:21)

Well, Tax was one of them. I did Tax podcast. And then I remember.

B (98:26)

Cause you was doing Breakfast Club every Easter.

A (98:28)

I was doing Breakfast Club every East, Northeast. And I remember. I remember it was so crazy that I went to Canada. And this is the reason why I think I started the podcast. I got it for you. Right? I think I started the podcast. I walked through the airport, and a guy, you could tell he was French, he just said, breakfast Club. And I was like, what the. I was like, all the shit I did in my life, you know, I got five gold albums and one platinum album, and you only know me from the Breakfast Club. He was like, breakfast Club. And I was like, damn.

B (99:06)

But those interviews was legendary.

A (99:09)

So I. I took critique. I took not critique.

C (99:13)

I saw this data.

A (99:14)

No, I was like, yo, wait a minute. He's right, people. He probably just know me through this. So what happens if I, like, start my own shit? And then it's so, so dope that years later we got drink champs.

B (99:27)

But I remember everybody saying, norrie should do a podcast. Yes. Because of the Breakfast Club Easter interviews.

A (99:32)

Yep.

B (99:33)

That Tax interview was big. The Combat Jack. Combat Jack. God bless the dead.

A (99:36)

God bless the dead.

B (99:37)

And when you started it, look how big that shit has gotten.

A (99:40)

Yep.

B (99:41)

Now you got a book coming out. You got a trick Champs Network.

A (99:44)

Yes.

B (99:44)

Like, it's like everything I've seen Nori speak to fruition. I'm saying all that to say Angela Yee was right.

A (99:49)

Yes.

B (99:50)

Because you are blessed. So who gives a fuck what somebody got to say?

A (99:53)

Yes, thank you. That was not.

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B (101:33)

Let's do some asking idiots, man.

A (101:34)

Okay?

B (101:35)

And get no out of here. We got any asking idiots for Nori? This is a segment of the show we do called Asking Idiots where people send in questions.

A (101:43)

I'm in. We'll do a shot First. Yeah, let's do this dope. I like that you like socky. Come on, bro.

B (101:50)

Okay. Worst gift you ever received. Nori, the wise runner, wants to know, worst gift you've ever received?

A (101:57)

All right, I want to say this very, very carefully. My friend Sonny D. Bet he's a very, very proud Haitian. I mean, if you cut him, I believe he would bleed Haiti to me. Every year, he buys me the most horrible biscuits for my birthday.

B (102:19)

And I had to tell him, can.

A (102:20)

You bow out of this game? Yeah. Like, don't buy me the cologne that you wear. I don't want to smell like you. That's weird. We're in the elevator and everyone smells the same. Like, what the hell he bought me. And now, Haiti, I love you. This is no shade. Shade to Haiti. But he bought me these Haitian slippers. And when I tell you they had to be $3 because they was. It's like I put on cement. Yeah. And it wasn't the Haiti flag. It was the actual seat. It was so cheap. Yeah, yeah. Like, he gave no thought to my gift.

C (103:04)

Yeah, yeah.

A (103:05)

And I just said, please, sir, never again. I feel like this is offensive at this point.

B (103:12)

Like, you're not.

A (103:13)

You're not trying to be my friend. You're trying to lose this relationship. And I would like for us to stop. Like, so I beg him not to give me gifts, but that's the worst gift I ever had. And I tried to put him on.

B (103:27)

Because it's, you know, it's respect.

A (103:28)

When somebody gives you a gift. Happy birthday. You're like, ah, thank you. And then you open it up, and it's something you don't want. You. Like, you would still be like, oh, word, word. And I tried to put them on. I was like, I can't do this, man. Like, I don't even want to lie to you. This is not good.

B (103:44)

What about you show it's worth giving you up?

C (103:46)

A guy, Mark Gagnon got me for my wedding a bottle of Lenny Kravitz edition Dom Perignon.

B (103:55)

Lenny Kravitz had a Dom Perignon.

C (103:57)

That's what I say.

A (103:57)

This sounds remarkable. What was it?

C (104:01)

Just champagne. But Lenny Kravitz, like, I don't know what Lenny Kravitz got to do with champagne.

B (104:05)

I didn't know he had one.

C (104:06)

He drinks. But it was just the most thoughtless gift I've ever seen. And he's.

B (104:10)

Why was it thoughtless?

A (104:11)

I would have loved that gift. I got Haitian slippers, guy. I've seen many Haitians slippers. See Mark would have loved it. That's crazy.

C (104:23)

It was a horrible.

B (104:25)

I've never gotten a terrible gift. I was raised Jehovah Witness, so I appreciate every goddamn gift I've gotten. Cause all my gifts came in my adult life. Thank you, Ja'. Ru.

A (104:32)

Was that right?

B (104:35)

Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's do one more. Breshna boy, Bowie says, do you think people are born kind or learned to be kind? This is an interesting question.

A (104:45)

I've learned.

B (104:46)

And the reason I think it's interesting is because when you were talking about Fat Joy earlier and you talking about punting him, I didn't meet point. God bless the dead. I heard the stories. But Fat Joe was probably one of the nicest people.

A (104:57)

Now, he wasn't always nice.

B (105:00)

Oh, see, I don't know. And everybody loves Joe. Like, when I see him, he's so respectful to people. He treats everybody with kindness. But it's usually those guys that'll hurt you.

A (105:11)

Yeah. I mean, let me just tell you something 1 million percent. If you see a person that smiles and their smile is genuine, they've been through some shit. Especially if he's from the neighborhood, that means that's the person who. Peace. I do not want to disturb. Like, if you smile and I can believe your smile and you're from where you're supposed to be from. Oh, you know what? I give you your space. Like the baby. I've never seen the baby do anything gangster. I've never seen the baby. You know, whatever. But he smiles too good.

B (105:41)

He's been through some shit.

A (105:42)

He been through some shit.

B (105:43)

He's been through some shit.

A (105:46)

That is like, I'm happy to be here. I'm happy that I got over this. That smile. I know that smile. That smile. I looked at the baby and I was like, he's not for somebody to play with.

B (105:59)

But Joe, even you, y' all are the nicest guys. I feel like even back then, when y' all was putting hands on people, y' all was still nice.

A (106:08)

Nah, maybe. I'm not sure.

B (106:11)

You said it a rap. You never blaze when you see babies.

A (106:14)

Yes.

B (106:14)

Like, say you had principles.

A (106:15)

Yes, I had principles. And respect is two different things.

B (106:19)

I know. Oh, you just walk around babies. Oh, I thought he was talking about shooting.

A (106:28)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But I tell you this, man. I praise God for who Fat Joe is. I praise God for who Styles P is.

B (106:43)

Oh, my God. Let me hear some story about Styles Styles.

A (106:46)

Let me tell you something, bro. Styles used to walk in a room like you. Just like. I kid you not. He used to just walk in the room. Like, I could tell he was looking. Who's the biggest person to fight like that? Serious, stop. Veganism saves Styles. Like, I'm just being honest with you. We. We need him off the meat forever. Pause, pause. I mean, you know, come on, guys. But like, I remember, like, Styles was. He was that guy. Oh, sorry, bro.

B (107:17)

Get information. I got two companies you did not forget.

A (107:21)

You white.

B (107:21)

I respect that.

A (107:23)

You the guy that walks into the bathroom in first class with no sneeze shoes on. I've done that. You've done that. 100 some real white people. I'll be looking when I see my neighbor. My neighbor. My guy's sitting next class. Yeah. And he walks in, and I'm like, yo, oh, my God, man, you don't want to put on a shoe? And he's like, nah, I'm okay, guy.

B (107:44)

And he'll just walk in there.

A (107:46)

It's the craziest shit ever to a black person that you walk in the bathroom without shoes.

B (107:52)

The airport.

A (107:53)

No, I'm talking about the airplane.

B (107:55)

That's what I'm saying.

A (107:56)

The airplane bathroom. And you know, you don't aim correctly when you go to the never. You don't give a about a black person.

C (108:03)

I don't even aim, bro. I just get my shit out. Right.

A (108:07)

What were we talking about before?

B (108:08)

So do you think people are born kind and learn to be kind?

A (108:10)

I believe you learn to be kind. I believe. I believe I'm kind right now. I believe I respect people. I don't. Because I don't want anybody to come in my lane. My lane has no traffic. I'm not going in anybody else's lane. I would like to stay in mines. I don't care about what's popping. I'm gonna make what's poppin. So I believe that if you're a kind person, you taught yourself to be kind. Because I believe that you come out a decent human. But the world makes you an asshole. Right? So you're born kind. Okay. Your grandson's kind.

B (108:43)

Okay.

A (108:44)

Yes. Right now. Yes.

B (108:45)

Yes.

A (108:46)

The world will impact you.

B (108:47)

Society might impact him. Yes. Environment might impact him. Okay.

A (108:50)

That's what it says. Born kind. Okay.

B (108:52)

You're dyslexic.

A (108:52)

But I still think you learn because you born kind. Yes. But then you go out of that, and then you have to reiterate that.

B (109:01)

You don't have to grow out of it, though. It depends what environment you're in. It depends what, you know, society teaches you, what learned behaviors you acquire.

A (109:07)

No school is going to get you out of that school. I don't give a fuck what you go through. Everybody has a bully or everybody should have a bully. I'm just being honest. I had a bully. I became a bully, got bullied again, became a bully. Like, everyone has to go. I'm mad at these kids who don't have bully. Like, I'm mad, like, why, yo, you.

B (109:30)

Didn'T get punched in your face yet?

A (109:32)

Like, no one did nothing to you. You mean you came home with your lunch money every day.

B (109:39)

Imagine Grandfather Nori at the school, your son has never been punched in the face.

A (109:45)

Oh, yeah. I don't want my kids to go through it. But I'm just saying, I see people, I'm like, damn, you guys have never been through nothing. And by the way, I kind of respect the new generation. You know what I mean? I kind of fought it for some time, and I was like, hey, you know, being the old guy that you is. But now I'm like, I'm listening to Boss Man D Lo. I'm glorila'd out.

B (110:11)

Yeah, we can appreciate that stuff.

A (110:13)

Yeah, yeah.

B (110:13)

You gotta let the youngins be the youngins. The same way we were allowed to be young and say wild, reckless shit and fuck up. It's just like, yo, let them do the same thing, yo. I love.

A (110:26)

I love it now. I'm embracing it now, people. I won't have them on the podcast, right?

B (110:34)

But they got. If they get 10 years, then you do. They got 10 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (110:37)

And the reason why is because you've.

B (110:40)

Been breaking that rule lately, though.

A (110:41)

I. I broke it a little bit.

B (110:43)

The baby was one. I remember the baby was one.

A (110:45)

He got 10. He got 10 in, though. Yeah, he got that.

B (110:49)

Oh, from B. Okay.

A (110:49)

From what he said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got Denzel Curry coming up. But the reason why is. And I blame the record labels. They have no more artist development. None. They have nothing. So I remember me going to an interview, and the record label saying, well, look, these are the questions they're going to ask you. And you prepare yourself so you like, all right, cool. Boom. That doesn't exist no more. So with these new artists, a lot of them, they high. They are. I'm not saying all of them, but some of them. And they give you these two word answers. Word.

C (111:31)

Yo, it's like, do you want to promote your album or not?

A (111:34)

Dude? Yo, bro, let me just tell you something. I only. I not only have more success than you, but I'm platinum. You can't Take my platinum shit away. You can't take my gold shit away. When you enter my house, those are the first things you do. Because I want you to know when you walking in, you walking into a platinum motherfucker's house. You understand?

B (111:55)

But we got to an era where people didn't realize how personality driven the game was gonna get.

A (112:00)

This is what's crazy. So that's the reason why I don't take new artists is because if they come up there and, you know, Mike Kaiser calls me or, you know what I'm saying, Julie Greenwald, and they say, hey, man, we got, you know, no shoes McGee. Just gonna come. You know what I'm saying? And we know, like, hook us up, no shoes McGee. We're gonna say, yo, you know what? This is the one time that you did a new guy. I said, all right, cool. Then no shoes McGee comes up and he's the shit. Cause everyone thinks they the shit. Why they the shit? And you should think you the shit. Why you the shit? But just know. And everyone else has been the shit, too.

B (112:38)

That's right.

A (112:39)

Yeah, that's right. There's been the shit before you, and it's gonna be the shit after you. So humble yourself, homie. Cause you gonna go up and you're gonna go down.

B (112:45)

That's right.

A (112:45)

Or even if you go up, you're gonna even out. Then no shoes McGee comes on the show, and I'm like, hey, no shoes McGee, man. You know what I mean?

B (112:53)

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

A (112:54)

How you doing? Word. Yeah. And he's on lean. This was worse than y', all bringing him here.

B (113:03)

That's right.

A (113:03)

Cause get the fuck out of here. No shoes McGee. I don't need this interview. I'm a birdman. You all three of y', all, get out of here. Get out of here.

B (113:11)

You're finished and you're done.

A (113:12)

You're finished, and you're done. Cause you finished and done, no shoes McGee. So that's the reason why now there is artists with personality. There is. I think Dababy has personality.

B (113:21)

Absolutely.

A (113:22)

I think Lil Baby has personality. I think when he wants to.

B (113:28)

When he's willing to open up.

A (113:29)

Okay, well, you know, I don't want to say I had dinner with him, but we bumped into each other in Makoto's Bell harbor, and it was nothing but love. You know what I'm saying?

B (113:40)

Cause ain't no cameras and no microphone.

A (113:43)

You know who else? Yeah.

B (113:45)

Well, so the new generation Kodak Black has hella personality.

A (113:50)

Kodak Black is my. Let me Tell you something. I got critiqued for Kodak Black. Let me tell you something. Kodak Black. I'll accept you back any day.

B (114:00)

That's my guy. I love black.

A (114:02)

I love Kodak Black. I went to Prime 112. This is one of the best stories. I went to Prime 112 with Kevin Lyles and Mike Kyler, and Kodak Black walked in prime 112. This is the prestigious establishment. He walked in there with his own food. I've never seen no shit like that.

B (114:24)

Oh, yeah, the Haitian food. He had a Haitian plate.

A (114:26)

I looked and I was like, this is either the most disrespectful or the most flyest shit I've ever saw. And I believe that. Let's just leave it in between, right? And I looked and I was like, yo, Kodak, you're not gonna eat in prom 1:12. Like, this is my mama fool. My mama fool. Way better than they shit.

C (114:46)

That's fire.

B (114:47)

Why did he even come to prom 112, then? That's what I always wondered about that story.

A (114:50)

Cause he's a gangster. He's a gangster. My son, Nassim, Asa woodo. Like, he's actually. Let me just tell you something now. Let me say this.

B (115:02)

Got a big heart, too.

A (115:03)

Let me say this. We have to protect Kodak Black. Same way we had signs to protect dmx. And I did my part, but we. And when I say protect, I don't mean, like, be worried about them, but I'm saying, yo, the culture has to stand behind us. Like, this is a different individual.

B (115:25)

Right?

A (115:25)

He's a different individual. Well, ain't all of us. Yeah, ain't all of us different.

B (115:30)

What makes us unique?

A (115:30)

You know what I'm saying?

B (115:31)

That's what makes us.

A (115:31)

And let me just tell you something. Kodak takes care of his crew, bro. His whole crew. I see.

B (115:37)

And his community.

A (115:38)

All the time.

B (115:39)

Yeah, all the time.

A (115:41)

Listen, Kodak is a real one. And let me just tell you about his hood. If you've never been to Pompano, if you go to his neighborhood, you will understand who he is. Like this. Like, his neighborhood is different. And you know what? He takes care of his neighborhood. They love him there. Nothing happened to him there. And for that, Kodak, I know him like, I. Like, I know him and I know who he is, but I also know how great he can actually be.

B (116:17)

He can be. I agree.

C (116:19)

Musically, he's just unbelievable.

A (116:22)

Yup.

B (116:22)

Salute to Yak man. N o. Always a pleasure, my brother.

A (116:26)

Thank you. Thank you.

B (116:26)

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A (116:40)

Angela Simmons. Yep, yep. We were already. We filmed three episodes. But I want to also tell y' all that we have Angela Simmons on Healthy High Run Champs. Our first episode, independent next week, I believe, like, around Thursday. And we're gonna just throw it out there and give it to the people. You know, we know that running is only 1% of the world, so we're not promoting to everybody. We're promoting to that 1%. And we're like the biker game, the 1 percenters.

B (117:05)

Absolutely.

A (117:06)

So thank y' all for having. This is my first time.

B (117:08)

I know you said we gotta respect Yak. I mean, we gotta protect Yak, but we gotta protect youth. Gotta protect Nor.

A (117:14)

Thank you so much for coming.

B (117:15)

Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate it. As always. If you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right. But if you think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right, too. It's the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Thank you for listening. Limu.

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